For those who claimed McCain/Palin supporters/Conservative movement is not racist

[taters]

Ill go from something old and specific to something new.

An old song from 'Joe the Plumber' style conservatives on the issue of segregation.

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To follow it through, a video interviewing several McCain/Palin supporters in 'real america' Ohio and one of Palins hate rally's.

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Granted, the source of this youtube is NOT the most refutable source, but I highly doubt they (of all people) could have gotten a group of actors for this. Specifically actors this good.

[IdiotBrain]

Fail?

[Genius]

What the fuck are you doing?

[taters]

It took a minute to set up.

When I left GMF, they didnt have the youtube coding.

Its fixed.

[IdiotBrain]

Fail averted.

[Soup Nazi]

I'll let others comment on the videos and such, but just as a side note, in the 2nd video at about the 52 second mark, is that the same guy who was at the rodeo in Borat? Because it looks exactly like him.

[Insomniac]

Al-Jazeera? Really.

[taters]

^ Hey, I did say its not the best source. I doubt they could set something up like this.

[Debo]

Stupid people come in all colors. None of this is news.

[taters]

None of this is news.

For once I agree with you. Unforunately it seems many conservatives were claiming their ideology was not on the side of segregation, racism, and hate.

I just felt it had to be posted to show the truth about the conservative movement, both back in the day and this instant.

This, Ashley Todd, the CA fliers, the rally's....it seems that these incidents are not conservative 'exceptions', they are conservative 'standards'.

[Debo]

For once I agree with you. Unforunately it seems many conservatives were claiming their ideology was not on the side of segregation, racism, and hate.

I just felt it had to be posted to show the truth about the conservative movement, both back in the day and this instant.

This, Ashley Todd, the CA fliers, the rally's....it seems that these incidents are not conservative 'exceptions', they are conservative 'standards'.

I don't see how the videos that you posted cast anyone but the tools that star in them as being racist. You are taking an extremely small sample size and you are applying it to millions and millions of people without justification.

Going by your logic, I should tell people that groups of black males start fights with lone white guys at random because my middle school had cracker day. Cracker day was when the brothers would walk around, usually in a crew of five or six guys, and start fights with random white kids. This is not a reflection of every black male in America. It is a reflection on the d-bags that went to my middle school.

[taters]

I don't see how the videos that you posted cast anyone but the tools that star in them as being racist. You are taking an extremely small sample size and you are applying it to millions and millions of people without justification.


Youve missed the point. The videos served as further example, not solitary example. Ashley Todd, James Baker (comments on katrina), William Reinquist (Stated he supported seperate but equal), Bush, Reagan, Bennett, Lott, Limbaugh, Hannity, McGovern, Goldwater, Byrd (democrat, but still self avowed conservative- party does not incline wing) there people are all noted conservatives, and are noted for their racism or bigoted comments.

The videos (clearly you must have not watched/listened to the first one) serve as placeheads...blatant examples. You dont need to look hard for more evidence. In fact, its been presented. Much of it (in recent times) here and in the old GMF. Ignoring it doesnt make it not true.

It seems what conservatives try to do, once the biggest and most obvious flaw to their sides mentality and honesty is revealed concerning their views on race, and take each individual example and claim "this one example doesnt apply to all, its a fringe statement".

However, when you say that about 100 times, especially in one election it begins to look like either you are playing dumb, or you have a very short memory.

You say 'without justification', but this is right from their own mouths. If a guy gets on TV, admits to raping kids, and another person says 'hey, that guys a pediphile', you cant go and argue 'hey, dont call him that without justification'. There plenty of justification. A coercion-less admittance. It doesnt get more 'justified' than that.

Going by your logic, I should tell people that groups of black males start fights with lone white guys at random because my middle school had cracker day. Cracker day was when the brothers would walk around, usually in a crew of five or six guys, and start fights with random white kids. This is not a reflection of every black male in America. It is a reflection on the d-bags that went to my middle school.
__________________

1- This has nothing to do with the topic. Not even analogy wise.

2- WTF is this? It has nothing to do with American Conservatives long proven and outstated history of racism.

3- This is the weirdest thing ever. Even if this happened in your school, your personal example does not nullify the countless other examples of my statement. Both in fact that one has nothing to do with the other (your story being 'other'), and in your experience is not a mass cultural history.

I (and every black person youll ever meet) will give you their story of how some white people or some group of white people fucking them over/attacked them because of their skin color. Thats not the point either.

4- Your statement/comparison of 'by my logic' doesnt fit, because I wasnt making an argument for school kids, or black racism, I was making an argument for conservative racism.

5. You claim I am generalizing conservatives. I have evidence, you will probably say you have evidence (though my evidence is federal hate crime and discrimination statistics from academia, yours...well, the last time we had this argument yours/legs/hanover?'s was a series of right wing opinion sites). The difference is I am showing this as an example right out of the horses mouth. These are conservatives admitting their racism.. Find me a study of black people in power or exercising political power admitting they are doing so in a racially biased manner or racially incendiary manner towards individuals of another race, and well talk. Also, find me American legislation (because we live in america) of laws empowering african americans and limiting whites, specifically as a group (not with everyone else).

[Angry Ass Messican Dude]

For once I agree with you. Unforunately it seems many conservatives were claiming their ideology was not on the side of segregation, racism, and hate.

I just felt it had to be posted to show the truth about the conservative movement, both back in the day and this instant.

This, Ashley Todd, the CA fliers, the rally's....it seems that these incidents are not conservative 'exceptions', they are conservative 'standards'.


Yeah, I guess you forgot it was Republicans who freed your people while the democrats were whipping you and making you live in shantys and eat poop.

[taters]

Yeah, I guess you forgot it was Republicans who freed your people while the democrats were whipping you and making you live in shantys and eat poop.

I guess you forgot until the 1940s, Republicans were the LIBERAL PARTY.\
I guess you also didnt read in the post where I said

party does not incline wing)

Its shows ignorance of history when conservatives try to tie party in with political wing/leaning. Not the same thing. Parties change over time in leanings and issues. My comment was on conservative ideology, not the republican party. Next thing you know, conservatives be trying to say the 1790-mid 1800's Republican Party is the same as the GOP...(Before anyone tries to argue it, they are not)

[Angry Ass Messican Dude]

you are a dumbass

[mongo]

you are a dumbass

all my shit like this gets deleted. but i'll try again.

you are a dumbass

[Archetype]

What the fuck is this? Who deleted my post?

[Jericho]

Nothing's been deleted in this thread

[Angry Ass Messican Dude]

i do what i want

he is so easy to draw into a fight and he doesn't even know when people are baiting him into it

must be that tiny colored brain o his!

[Jericho]

But that works with Arch, too

[taters]

I havent deleted anything retards. I havent seen anything get deleted either (as the admin is confirming)

Also "your a dumbass" must be the most intellectual comeback Ive ever seen from your wing of politics. Does Ann Coulter write for you, or Carrot Top?

Also, Im not 'fighting' with you. Youd know (More quotes than you can obviously read would be on the screen).

[Angry Ass Messican Dude]

you're a dumbass

[The GWD]

That first video was truly enlightening. Obama is running so children can fly?! Why only children? Goddamnit, I want to fly. I'd have voted, and voted Obama if I knew that was part of his campaign.

[Archetype]

I don't know what's going on.

[mongo]

CLUSTERFUCK@!@$1!!!!!!1

[ADD]

Palin hate rally? I'd like to start one of those, but what's the use at this point?

[heelsguy]

the title of this thread is racist. you suck tater

[Mustard]

Can't we all just get along?

[heelsguy]

Can't we all just get along?

how many on here are even old enough to know who said that line?

[Mustard]

Well, I'm only 26, and I know it. So my guess is everyone who is older than I am, and maybe 25% who are not.

[Archetype]

Rodney King? Jack Nicholson on Mars Attacks?

[Mustard]

Rodney King? Jack Nicholson on Mars Attacks?
Um, Jack said "Little people... Can't we all just, get along?"

[Archetype]

I've yet to finish my homework for tomorrow, and yet that is what I'm looking up. Damn you.

[heelsguy]

I remember the first time I heard about how racism even exists within blacks themselves...the old "your blackness is not as great as MINE". (dark chocolate vs milk chocolate). what was that 90's movie that delved into this? I am trying to remember....

[Willam]

As long as we are saying that McCain supporters are racist, I think we should point out that Obama supporters are "reverse racists" (voting for someone only because of the color of their skin):

NyvqhdllXgU


I honestly think that this is all a load of crap. There are, without a doubt, idiots on both sides. I just felt it necessary to show the other side.

[Yelram]

I find it funny that you can use guilt by association with people on the street, but when you go to a church where a man preaches distrust, and hatred towards whites, supports Farrakhan, who believes whites are the devil, he gets a pass. Thats very telling. This is not 1950 Tater, there is a black man running for president. Are you seriously saying, everyone who disagrees with Obama is immediately a racist? He's not even black, he just has darker skin. The roots he comes from were the muslim blacks in Kenya, the ones that STARTED the slave trade with the English, and he was raised IN Indonesia, then FUCKING HAWAII. I know white people far blacker than Barack.

[Limp]

I have that song on my mp3 player.

[CarsyCarsten]

Since they brought up that stupid abortion issue 50% of republican voters will always be stupid fucking rednecks.

I mean, there are smart people with a lot of money and dumb people with a lot of money, who vote republican, because they want to keep as much as possible of their money, and there are dumb southern redneck idiots, who vote republican because they hate ******* and terrorists.
Rednecks who rape their daughters and their daughters daughters, but are against abortion, because abortion makes baby Jesus cry.
There are probably many normal people who vote republican for whatever reason, but here are two things I strongly believe in:

a) The one who votes for a VP Palin is an international security threat. (Fuck Obama has no experience, she is obviously plain stupid, and religious in a way that you witouth further doubt can call "dangerous").

b) 40% or more of Republican voters are and always will be stupid, racist Rednecks.

But instead of telling those Rednecks, how stupid their views on the world really are, they keep giving oil in the fire, talking about that Obama could be a terrorist and that he is not a real Christian and shit like that.

[VoxAngelikus]

Taters may be a dumbass (:p)... but watching that clip, these are things that Americans are actually saying = not fucking around on a computer chat board, not behind closed doors - these are there actual quotes:


"I'm afraid if Obama gets elected the blacks will take over."
Really? Just... really? Is that what people really think? This is sheer stupidity.

"Sarah Palin is filled the Holy Spirit and she'll restore honesty and integrity to the White House"
So, religiousness is the most important aspect that you look for when choosing who you vote for?

"He must support terrorists. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck. And that to me is Obama!"
The guy saying this is a fucking idiot. No reasons why he's a terrorist. Just, hey, you know, he must support them! That's what they say on the radio! Fucking stupid.

"Just the whole Muslim thing and everything... You know, a not of people forgot about 9/11. It's a little unnerving."
First of all, do you really think people forgot about 9/11? Really? Are you that vapid? And second of all, instead of talking about 'oh that whole Muslim thing', how about doing a little independent investigation before you just make an uninformed opinion you fat cow

"I don't like the fact that he thinks white people are trash. Because we're not like that."
Oh, really? He thinks white people are trash? Where exactly was that reported? Because I missed it.

"I'm afraid he and his wife are anti-white."
Really? Do people really honestly think he is hiding a hatred for whites, just because he's black?

This is what people see America as: Uneducated morons whose opinions are severely skewed by talk-show retards like Rush, Hannity and Ingraham (to name a few) and who honestly form opinions without bothering to consider a bit of objectivity first.

If you showed me a news piece with people from another country, answering questions with such half-witted inanity, I would first have a good laugh, then thank my lucky stars that those people didn't represent how the world sees my country.

[nuclearjew]

"I don't like the fact that he thinks white people are trash. Because we're not like that."
Oh, really? He thinks white people are trash? Where exactly was that reported? Because I missed it.

"I'm afraid he and his wife are anti-white."
Really? Do people really honestly think he is hiding a hatred for whites, just because he's black?
My guess with those two comments is that someone took his "elitist" comments about the people in Pennsylvania and warped it to mean he looks down/hates white people.

[Morfin]

Food for thought (or discussion)(or dismissal):

What? Me Biased?

By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/nicholasdkristof/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
Published: October 29, 2008

For the last year and a half, a team of psychology professors has been conducting remarkable experiments on how Americans view Barack Obama through the prism of race.

The scholars used a common research technique, the implicit association test, to measure whether people regarded Mr. Obama and other candidates as more foreign or more American. They found that research subjects — particularly when primed to think of Mr. Obama as a black candidate — subconsciously considered him less American than either Hillary Clinton or John McCain.

Indeed, the study (http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/%7Etdevos/thd/Devos_spsp2008.pdf) found that the research subjects — Californian college students, many of them Democrats supportive of Mr. Obama — unconsciously perceived him as less American even than the former British Prime Minister Tony Blair.
It’s not that any of them actually believed Mr. Obama to be foreign. But the implicit association test measured the way the unconscious mind works, and in following instructions to sort images rapidly, the mind balked at accepting a black candidate as fully American. This result mattered: The more difficulty a person had in classifying Mr. Obama as American, the less likely that person was to support Mr. Obama.

It’s easy to be skeptical of such research, so test for your own unconscious biases at https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo or at http://backhand.uchicago.edu/Center/ShooterEffect. Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/30/opinion/30kristof.html?ref=opinion)

[redsox39]

Youve missed the point. The videos served as further example, not solitary example. Ashley Todd, James Baker (comments on katrina), William Reinquist (Stated he supported seperate but equal), Bush, Reagan, Bennett, Lott, Limbaugh, Hannity, McGovern, Goldwater, Byrd (democrat, but still self avowed conservative- party does not incline wing) there people are all noted conservatives, and are noted for their racism or bigoted comments.

The videos (clearly you must have not watched/listened to the first one) serve as placeheads...blatant examples. You dont need to look hard for more evidence. In fact, its been presented. Much of it (in recent times) here and in the old GMF. Ignoring it doesnt make it not true.

It seems what conservatives try to do, once the biggest and most obvious flaw to their sides mentality and honesty is revealed concerning their views on race, and take each individual example and claim "this one example doesnt apply to all, its a fringe statement".

However, when you say that about 100 times, especially in one election it begins to look like either you are playing dumb, or you have a very short memory.




thnks for the long quote. But this is retarded. I live in Omaha. We have had 41 homicides so far this year. (Correction, in 2007) 32 of of them involve a Black male, either Victim or accused shooter. 38 of them are North of Dodge.

Is it safe to assume then, using your logic, that this a a case of many examples, that black men are violent killers who don't give a fuck?

I mean, on one hand you don't want anyone to use logic and jump to conclusions or make assumtions, regardless of the stats....and then on the other hand you find a yahoo at a Palin Rally and that means the conservative movment is racist?

You can't have it both ways.

[Willam]

Since they brought up that stupid abortion issue 50% of republican voters will always be stupid fucking rednecks.

I mean, there are smart people with a lot of money and dumb people with a lot of money, who vote republican, because they want to keep as much as possible of their money, and there are dumb southern redneck idiots, who vote republican because they hate ******* and terrorists.
Rednecks who rape their daughters and their daughters daughters, but are against abortion, because abortion makes baby Jesus cry.
There are probably many normal people who vote republican for whatever reason, but here are two things I strongly believe in:

a) The one who votes for a VP Palin is an international security threat. (Fuck Obama has no experience, she is obviously plain stupid, and religious in a way that you witouth further doubt can call "dangerous").

b) 40% or more of Republican voters are and always will be stupid, racist Rednecks.

But instead of telling those Rednecks, how stupid their views on the world really are, they keep giving oil in the fire, talking about that Obama could be a terrorist and that he is not a real Christian and shit like that.



This has got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read. 50% of Republicans are dumbass rednecks??? So I guess it's also fair to say that 50% of democrats are unemployed drug users living on the welfare system.


Don't be a dumbass using generalizations. Idiots are all all sides. You just proved that.

[Limp]

Idiots are all all sides. You just proved that.
Pwnt.

[redsox39]

I gotta agree with William...how can you sterotype a group of people for having sterotypes of a group of people?

That just makes you a retarded race baiter, just like I have claimed from the first post I ever read of yours.

[taters]

WAY for conservatives to COMPLETLY IGNORE THE FIRST VIDEO, and excuse the people of the second.

That being said..

As long as we are saying that McCain supporters are racist, I think we should point out that Obama supporters are "reverse racists" (voting for someone only because of the color of their skin):



I honestly think that this is all a load of crap. There are, without a doubt, idiots on both sides. I just felt it necessary to show the other side.

Let me get this straight. McCain supporters are racist because they wont support a black candidate because of his skin color, and Obama supporters are reverse racist because they AGREE with his policies?

I mean, we all know black people are only voting for obama because of his skin color...not because black people have unilaterally voted democrat in EVERY election (all previous ones with white nominees) for the past 50 years? Wow, that makes sense.

But this is retarded. I live in Omaha. We have had 41 homicides so far this year. (Correction, in 2007) 32 of of them involve a Black male, either Victim or accused shooter. 38 of them are North of Dodge.

Is it safe to assume then, using your logic, that this a a case of many examples, that black men are violent killers who don't give a fuck?

Be careful of that standard, because werent most of the victims OTHER black males?

In contrast, roughly 70% of all hate crimes involve a white offender attacking a black victim (like 10% more involve a white offender attacking a gay person or hispanic person). Does that mean statistically, though I face a threat of violence from my own race, any extra-racial threat (specifically if I live in an area where I am the only black person) I face a high risk of victimization by a white male?


Oh yea, Claydon is a homo.

[redsox39]

Let me get this straight. McCain supporters are racist because they wont support a black candidate because of his skin color, and Obama supporters are reverse racist because they AGREE with his policies?

I mean, we all know black people are only voting for obama because of his skin color...not because black people have unilaterally voted democrat in EVERY election (all previous ones with white nominees) for the past 50 years? Wow, that makes sense.



be careful of that standard, because [B]wasnt most of the victims OTHER black males?

In contrast, roughly 70% of all hate crimes involve a white offender attacking a black victim. Does that mean statistically, though I face a threat of violence from my own race, any extra-racial threat (specifically if I live in an area where I am the only black person) I face a high risk of victimization by a white male?


Seems to me, in Omaha, and I will "assume" most other places...you are in FAR greater danger of being shot or assulted, by members of your own race.

Black on Black crime is astronomically higher than any other race.

So while, yes, there are assholes out there that want to kill 88 blacks and Obama, most of us, hell, damn near all of us, condemn that behavior. In cluding conservative types.

Excuse the pun, but this is the pot calling the kettle...wait, is that a racist joke?

[Willam]

Let me get this straight. McCain supporters are racist because they wont support a black candidate because of his skin color, and Obama supporters are reverse racist because they AGREE with his policies?

I mean, we all know black people are only voting for obama because of his skin color...not because black people have unilaterally voted democrat in EVERY election (all previous ones with white nominees) for the past 50 years? Wow, that makes sense.



That's not what I said at all. What I said was there are idiots out there, both republican and democratic, and you cannot generalize based on what a few people say. Yes, there are white people out there that will vote against Obama because he is black. There are also black people out there that will vote for Obama because he is black.

As to black people voting democratic every election, was it the same number that are voting in this election? Or is it even remotely possible that many, many more black people will vote this election than in any previous election because there is a black candidate? If Colin Powell were the Republican candidate and Hillary was the democratic candidate, would the black population still vote unilaterly democratic?

[CarsyCarsten]

Pwnt.

And what side am I on?

I would not call myselfe a democrat, how could I, I'm not even U.S. citizen.
People vote for certain partys for certain reasons. Even Chris Rock said that you have a lot of people who a) don't want to hit the real issue or b) are to stupid to understand the issue (on both sides!) and just narrow it down to "I'm republican, no matte what" or "I'm a democrat, no matter what".

I don't even say, that we do not have similar problems in Germany, but thinking like that is just stupid.

Now: So you wanna tell me, that there are rednecks who vote democrats? Maybe 50% was to much, but they exist in a certain number.

Oh and redsox39, that hurt me!

[Willam]

I would not call myselfe a democrat, how could I, I'm not even U.S. citizen.
So basically you are stating that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Now: So you wanna tell me, that there are rednecks who vote democrats?
Yes, amazingly enough, some rednecks do vot democratic.
Maybe 50% was to much, but they exist in a certain number.
What about 1% or .05%? That's a "certain number."

[redsox39]

lol

I also found quite few clips on youtube of people saying they were voting Obama because he is black...example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmurjri3Axo

(Due to my drunken Cock Pics, I can only post the links right now...)

Also, this is a radio show (I think) but it is hilarious. In Tater's defense, since you can't see them, maybe it could be rigged...but it seems to be pretty Mainstream to me...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSYJDkV8LD0
It looks like Howard Stern had a whole show about it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVgiqcimI50
Another Version, I think the Original....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDlJMtjMMvw&feature=related

[Yelram]

And what side am I on?

I would not call myselfe a democrat, how could I, I'm not even U.S. citizen.
People vote for certain partys for certain reasons. Even Chris Rock said that you have a lot of people who a) don't want to hit the real issue or b) are to stupid to understand the issue (on both sides!) and just narrow it down to "I'm republican, no matte what" or "I'm a democrat, no matter what".

I don't even say, that we do not have similar problems in Germany, but thinking like that is just stupid.

Now: So you wanna tell me, that there are rednecks who vote democrats? Maybe 50% was to much, but they exist in a certain number.

Oh and redsox39, that hurt me!

There are PLENTY of redneck democrats, i'd say its pretty close, if you go to a union heavy state like ohio especially. Theres ones in the south that wont vote republican because they freed the slaves.

[Claydon]

lol

I also found quite few clips on youtube of people saying they were voting Obama because he is black...example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmurjri3Axo

(Due to my drunken Cock Pics, I can only post the links right now...)

Also, this is a radio show (I think) but it is hilarious. In Tater's defense, since you can't see them, maybe it could be rigged...but it seems to be pretty Mainstream to me...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSYJDkV8LD0
It looks like Howard Stern had a whole show about it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVgiqcimI50
Another Version, I think the Original....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDlJMtjMMvw&feature=related

yes we can!

[Claydon]

As long as we are saying that McCain supporters are racist, I think we should point out that Obama supporters are "reverse racists" (voting for someone only because of the color of their skin):

NyvqhdllXgU


I honestly think that this is all a load of crap. There are, without a doubt, idiots on both sides. I just felt it necessary to show the other side.

hahaha

[taters]

Seems to me, in Omaha, and I will "assume" most other places...you are in FAR greater danger of being shot or assulted, by members of your own race.

Did you read my post that you just quoted? Specifically where I said-

In contrast, roughly 70% of all hate crimes involve a white offender attacking a black victim (like 10% more involve a white offender attacking a gay person or hispanic person). Does that mean statistically, though I face a threat of violence from my own race, any extra-racial threat (specifically if I live in an area where I am the only black person) I face a high risk of victimization by a white male?


Black on Black crime is astronomically higher than any other race.

No, it fits per capita with white on white crime and hispanic on hispanic crime. At least if what you are referring to is 'violent and/or drug crime'.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

(when not counting hate crime propensity)
86% of white victims were killed by whites
94% of black victims were killed by blacks
(Thats just black and white crime, not including asian, hispanic or native)




So while, yes, there are assholes out there that want to kill 88 blacks and Obama, most of us, hell, damn near all of us, condemn that behavior. In cluding conservative types.


Yes, that why you issue racist 'obama bucks' food stamp fliers and lie about them not intended to be racist, or flock to Palin rally's screaming racial obscinities and slurs, and shouting to kill Obama (as the first video shows, the very same thing conservatives did to MLK at anti-integration rallys), and claim you were raped by an 'angry black man' while carving a fucking (backwards) B in the mirror as a racially insiting political ploy.

If you (meaning conservatives) are going to argue the validity of racism, fine. Theres nothing wrong with dialogue. But if you are going to keep doing, saying and advancing these blatantly racist things, then lie and claim it isnt racist, you only make yourselves look like liars and bigger bigots from denying the obvious.

Also, Howard Stern is Gayer than Claydon. I want to go on record saying that.

[redsox39]

Did you read my post that you just quoted? Specifically where I said-





No, it fits per capita with white on white crime and hispanic on hispanic crime. At least if what you are referring to is 'violent and/or drug crime'.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm






Yes, that why you issue racist 'obama bucks' food stamp fliers and lie about them not intended to be racist, or flock to Palin rally's screaming racial obscinities and slurs, and shouting to kill Obama (as the first video shows, the very same thing conservatives did to MLK at anti-integration rallys), and claim you were raped by an 'angry black man' while carving a fucking (backwards) B in the mirror as a racially insiting political ploy.

If you (meaning conservatives) are going to argue the validity of racism, fine. Theres nothing wrong with dialogue. But if you are going to keep doing, saying and advancing these blatantly racist things, then lie and claim it isnt racist, you only make yourselves look like liars and bigger bigots from denying the obvious.

Also, Howard Stern is Gayer than Claydon. I want to go on record saying that.


Just addressing your last point, since you seem to think a Hate Crime murderer's bullets hurt more than a "regular murderer's" bullets and you are oblivious to any kind of logic.

I never heard of, or saw these "food stamps", but I think that adresses's the Liberal "gimmie gimmie gimmie" attitude more than any kind of racisim. In fact, more White people are on food stamps than blacks anyhow. Oh, is it racist because Obama is on it? News Flash, Obama is black, and running for the left, so if you use his picture, you can accuse partisan politics, but not racisim.

There is still racisim in the world, why don't you focus on the real stuff instead of branding people who don't vote for your guy as racist. It just make you look like on of those people in the sound bite, retarded.


PS- the bitch with the "B"...deserves a spot in hell.

[Desperado]

. Oh, is it racist because Obama is on it? News Flash, Obama is black, and running for the left, so if you use his picture, you can accuse partisan politics, but not racisim.

.


Ummm next to his face was a bowl of chicken and watermelon... so ya I think thats gonna qualify as racist.

http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.pleasegodno.com/uploads/obamabucks3.jpg&usg=AFQjCNFKiE5xOda8UKNJxaE91trQirAp4A

[Limp]

Ummm next to his face was a bowl of chicken and watermelon... so ya I think thats gonna qualify as racist.

http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.pleasegodno.com/uploads/obamabucks3.jpg&usg=AFQjCNFKiE5xOda8UKNJxaE91trQirAp4A

NOPE!

Stereotypical maybe, but not racist.

[redsox39]

My guess with those two comments is that someone took his "elitist" comments about the people in Pennsylvania and warped it to mean he looks down/hates white people.


It doesn't take a rocket scientist to discover that "clinging to guns and religion and hating immigrants" is not a compliment. I don't care if he says those people do those things because of Bush and Clinton, that is just even more retarded.

In his book he didn't seem to fond of whites growning up either, but his words recently don't really lead me to "white" hater...

Although he DID throw grandma under the bus a time or 2...

[Desperado]

NOPE!

Stereotypical maybe, but not racist.


I dont know man... the black people CNN interviewed about these seemed to think it was racist. I think it would qualify as a racist stereotype, but hey, that just me.

[redsox39]

I dont know man... the black people CNN interviewed about these seemed to think it was racist. I think it would qualify as a racist stereotype, but hey, that just me.


If CNN interviews me, I would say Taters is racist. Does that make me right?

[Desperado]

If CNN interviews me, I would say Taters is racist. Does that make me right?


I dont know... Did taters call you a cracker?

[Limp]

I dont know man... the black people CNN interviewed about these seemed to think it was racist. I think it would qualify as a racist stereotype, but hey, that just me.
Black people think everything is racist these days.

Do white people get any TV coverage when a black person says "White boys can't dance"?

No, because it is a stereotype. There are white boys that can dance just like there is black people who don't like chicken.

[Desperado]

Black people think everything is racist these days.



Those cry baby Blacks!!!

[flyingmonkeys]

The Kool-Aid man seems oddly out of place on that.

[Willam]

The Kool-Aid man seems oddly out of place on that.


Would you rather it be a 40 bottle?

[VoxAngelikus]

Instead of Kool-Aid it should have been this:

http://www.glassbottlesoda.org/images/goose6pk.gif

[kid_vidrio]

NOPE!

Stereotypical maybe, but not racist.
Do you see no connection?
-honest question

[Limp]

Those cry baby Blacks!!!
A black activist from here in Houston is DEMANDING a teacher be fired for a picture of her standing NEXT TO some white people with their faces painted black and drinking 40's. She didn't do it but she is guilty b association and should be fired.

Give me a fucking break.
Do you see no connection?
-honest question
Connection to what?

[Willam]

Do you see no connection?
-honest question


As someone who does not support Obama, I did find it racist. I just don't think the idiots that created it can be used as an example of Republicans as a whole. As stated many, many, many times in this thread and many others, you can base your view of a large group based on the actions of a few individuals.

[Limp]

As someone who does not support Obama, I did find it racist.
Explain to me how it is racist?

Please keep in mind:
rac·ism (rhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/amacr.gifhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gifshttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ibreve.gifzhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/lprime.gifhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/schwa.gifm)
n. 1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

[Willam]

Explain to me how it is racist?

Please keep in mind:


Good point. I used the wrong word.

I find it offensive, but no more racist than being called a cracker or honky.

[Archangel]

This is what people see America as: Uneducated morons whose opinions are severely skewed by talk-show retards like Rush, Hannity and Ingraham (to name a few) and who honestly form opinions without bothering to consider a bit of objectivity first.


Pretty much, yeah.


If you showed me a news piece with people from another country, answering questions with such half-witted inanity, I would first have a good laugh, then thank my lucky stars that those people didn't represent how the world sees my country.

One should think that the fact that the world thinks of the majority of Americans as a bunch of morons does have its base in some...thing.

The fact we see people cheering on a certified moron such as Mrs Palin doesn't help matters. Any other civilised country, a person such as she would be a laughingstock, not a candidate.

[Archangel]

DISCLAIMER:

I know that Americans aren't "dumber" than anybody else. But there is a certain American type of uninformed, loud, opinionated ignorance that the world just laps up as a stereotype of you guys.

[VoxAngelikus]

DISCLAIMER:

I know that Americans aren't "dumber" than anybody else. But there is a certain American type of uninformed, loud, opinionated ignorance that the world just laps up as a stereotype of you guys.


I think that comes from growing up being taught that anything U.S.A. is the gold standard. Therefore, even if what you are saying is the most retarded viewpoint of them all, you're still right, you're still the one everyone else should answer to, and that creates a startled "Who are you to even question that?!?!" reaction.

This country is wonderful, but the party system sucks a big dick. There are far too many people who see only Red or Blue and that is a major division in the country. What's the big deal with dividing a country by party?

See my signature.

You go back and forth until eventually one side decides to take illicit advantage, to the disservice of the country.

[Archangel]

When people let others think for themselves by adhering to party slogans that leave no room for middle ground, and then present those barely understood, half-baked "opinions" as their own, then you have a problem. They fail to see that a slogan is not, by itself, an opinion.

It's this being stuck in commonplace banalities that turns politics in your country into such a circus. Why look at the issues and the candidates' approach to them when you KNOW, as a red-blooded American, that them there lib'rals want to take away your God-given assault rifle, raise taxes to feed them welfare n*****s, and destroy everything your America (being that of 1850) stands for? Why, as a young urban "intellectual", even look at the conservative candidate when you already KNOW that he's a gun-toting, Bible-thumping, war-mongering bigot?

I also find it funny that Israel has become such an issue now with that whole LA Times videotape nonsense. I mean, the people whom Mrs Palin speaks to, half of them couldn't find Israel on a map of Israel, and quite a few of them might harbour less than kind feelings towards Jews in general; and yet, people boo Obama's name because he might have been at a reception with some bloke who thinks that Israel isn't exactly immaculate. I have no idea why.

[VoxAngelikus]

Someone around the town I live in has a handpainted McCain sign on his yard. It says:

JOHN McCAIN:
TESTED!
TRUSTED!

And it has two little American flags on the top of it. This is a sign on a piece of wood that someone took the time to make, and all it does is replay two buzzwords from McCain's stump speeches.

That's all people want to do: Replay buzzwords and talking points and claim they are experts in the political realm.

I'll talk about politics, but I won't pretend I'm en expert. That's like a football fan, who has never played the sport, second-guessing the coach of their favorite pro team.

[Morfin]

Vox: I'm with you and Arch about what you've posted in this thread. However....

Someone took the time to make a McCain sign. They put two key theme words on the sign with American flags. That is all. Showing support. They did not claim expertise.

While your assumption may be accurate that they are idiots merely regurgitating talking points, they may merely be pressing the main McCain theme about his experience. Would you criticize someone who made an Obama sign and painted "Hope" and "Change" and put two American flags on it.

Like I said, I'm with you. But I am calling you here on what I think is going a bit too far.

(Oh, yeah. This too. Fuck you if you don't like America. Leave. Yeah. You're a suspected terrorist anyway for having a foreign sounding name. Latin's dead. Get over it.)

[VoxAngelikus]

Vox: They may merely be pressing the main McCain theme about his experience. Would you criticize someone who made an Obama sign and painted "Hope" and "Change" and put two American flags on it.


I think that no candidate is worthy of my taking personal time to make a sign showing my support. I have my own life to worry about. I'll buy a sign and put one up - I'm not getting wood and flags and paint and taking the time to make a sign.

And the town where this sign is located was in the news recently. See, they are a very McCain/Palin-friendly town. So much so that supremacists were passing out leaflets asking residents "Do you feel comfortable with a black President?" and stating shit like "Black Ruled Nations most unstable and violent in the world."

http://www.nj.com/starledger/stories/index.ssf?/base/news-5/1222144078262500.xml&coll=1

So, any support I see in that town makes me a little suspicious.



And as for the U.S. of A., I love my country just fine. I just think it's a shame that we get represented by the idiots in our country who think they know a thing or two about the world, when really they come across looking like classless, closed-minded, religiously influenced morons.

Like this:
http://redstatepatriot.com/McCain.JPG

[redsox39]

DISCLAIMER:

I know that Americans aren't "dumber" than anybody else. But there is a certain American type of uninformed, loud, opinionated ignorance that the world just laps up as a stereotype of you guys.

And since we are on the racist/sterotype/ignorant thread here...

If the world bases their opinions on the few loud uninformed Americans as a generalization as all Americans...would that make them assholes for propagating a negitive stereo type?

Or does that only apply to Tater?

It doesn't seem much different than the Watermelon and Fried chicken, and huge cocks sterotypes, except I like all 3 of those and I don't like being labeled dumb.

So the world is actually more racist that the McCain/Palin campaign...

(sic)

[taters]

And since we are on the racist/sterotype/ignorant thread here...

If the world bases their opinions on the few loud uninformed Americans as a generalization as all Americans...would that make them assholes for propagating a negitive stereo type?

Or does that only apply to Tater?


(sic)



The question of the thread was IS it REALLY only a 'few bad apples', or is the "Racist Dumb Ignorant Hypocritical Lying' Stereotype actually the standard for most (conservative) Americans and is a mainstay of their ideology.

From your comment just now, as well as the commentary of those like Limp, you prove unilaterally that its NOT a few bad apples, its a majority of dissolusioned individuals who somehow DONT think their racist ideals are racist.

I guarantee if you would have asked the people of that second video are they racist, they would say no. Same as when the 'Obama Bucks' creator was asked. They are either liars, or extremely deluded as to what 'racism' is and means.