View Full Version : "Fairness" Doctrine: It's already begun
Da Raider
11-04-2008, 11:41 AM
Democrats are already at it...take your "fairness" doctrine and shove it up your ass. This is how the Left is going to attempt to silence the Right. As a Libertarian, I don't like where this is going...
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/schumer-defends-fairness-doctrine-as-fair-and-balanced-2008-11-04.html
Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) on Tuesday defended the so-called Fairness Doctrine in an interview on Fox News, saying, “I think we should all be fair and balanced, don’t you?”
Schumer’s comments echo other Democrats’ views on reviving the Fairness Doctrine, which would require radio stations to balance conservative hosts with liberal ones.Asked if he is a supporter of telling radio stations what content they should have, Schumer used the fair and balanced line, claiming that critics of the Fairness Doctrine are being inconsistent.
The very same people who don’t want the Fairness Doctrine want the FCC [Federal Communications Commission] to limit pornography on the air. I am for that… But you can’t say government hands off in one area to a commercial enterprise but you are allowed to intervene in another. That’s not consistent.”
In 2007, Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), a close ally of Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) told The Hill, “It’s time to reinstitute the Fairness Doctrine. I have this old-fashioned attitude that when Americans hear both sides of the story, they’re in a better position to make a decision.”
Senate Rules Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) last year said, “I believe very strongly that the airwaves are public and people use these airwaves for profit. But there is a responsibility to see that both sides and not just one side of the big public questions of debate of the day are aired and are aired with some modicum of fairness.”
Conservatives fear that forcing stations to make equal time for liberal talk radio would cut into profits so significantly that radio executives would opt to scale back on conservative radio programming to avoid escalating costs and interference from the FCC.
So... Democrats want to control what we hear...
Soc... Social.... what's the word I am looking for?
redsox39
11-04-2008, 11:56 AM
Social Butterfly?
Rover
11-04-2008, 11:58 AM
Fascist Communism.
Jackcraver
11-04-2008, 12:13 PM
Sounds like China and North Korea
Fairness doctrine is pretty dumb, but I also wouldn't worry as there's a reason it hasn't been enforced thusfar... It's unenforceable.
Not to mention doesn't the FCC only really have power over broadcast networks? And isn't Fox News cable?
Da Raider
11-04-2008, 12:45 PM
Fairness doctrine is pretty dumb, but I also wouldn't worry as there's a reason it hasn't been enforced thusfar... It's unenforceable.
Not to mention doesn't the FCC only really have power over broadcast networks? And isn't Fox News cable?
just you watch...
just you watch...
I will, thanks.
If the fairness doctrine could be used to supress the expression of a political view the Republicans would've done it during their vast period of control. However it cannot be because there really is no clearer example of government dictating and restricting non-dangerous speech (a hugely unconstitutional act that would draw the ire of both sides, conservative judges for too much government control and liberals for restriction of speech).
The only area where there is some level of clear control is on the public airways, and again Fox News is cable so who cares?
Another side question, does anyone know if the FCC will still have any real power after Feb 09 when TV goes digital? There won't really be any 'airways' used by broadcast TV anymore, how would the FCC justify their existence?
redsox39
11-04-2008, 12:53 PM
It is because the Mainstream media and the Left can't stand the fact that Fox News, the WSJ, and AM talk radio won't just fall in line for them.
The Fairness doctrine will be anything but fair...it will kill any opinion or issue on the right.
It is because the Mainstream media and the Left can't stand the fact that Fox News, the WSJ, and AM talk radio won't just fall in line for them.
The Fairness doctrine will be anything but fair...it will kill any opinion or issue on the right.
Red Sox, read your posts, come on man. You're not as bad as Yelram, but when you start spouting off about some vast media conspiracy you sure get close.
redsox39
11-04-2008, 01:18 PM
Red Sox, read your posts, come on man. You're not as bad as Yelram, but when you start spouting off about some vast media conspiracy you sure get close.
While I don't believe in a conspiracy, I do believe in the Fallacy of man, and they own these outlets. I don't believe they always do what is in our interest and I also believe that they will push their own agendas if they can get away with it.
Look at this poll.
http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?t=6108 (http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?t=6108)
Sometimes you almost wonder if there is a international or enemy state behind some things sometimes. I mean, we as a country have managed to polorize ourselves so much that we are a nation divided. We are a weaked nation because of it. And We, The People, are the only ones who suffer from it. As long as they can keep everything in the 50-50 or 60-40 range, the people really have no power.
That is my "paranoia" post for the day, can we get back to kids being pussies these days now? And let's stay off the Obama/McCain train for now. We can talk about it all day tomorrow when the speculation is over and the results are in.
While I don't believe in a conspiracy, I do believe in the Fallacy of man, and they own these outlets. I don't believe they always do what is in our interest and I also believe that they will push their own agendas if they can get away with it.
Look at this poll.
http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?t=6108 (http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?t=6108)
Sometimes you almost wonder if there is a international or enemy state behind some things sometimes. I mean, we as a country have managed to polorize ourselves so much that we are a nation divided. We are a weaked nation because of it. And We, The People, are the only ones who suffer from it. As long as they can keep everything in the 50-50 or 60-40 range, the people really have no power.
That is my "paranoia" post for the day, can we get back to kids being pussies these days now? And let's stay off the Obama/McCain train for now. We can talk about it all day tomorrow when the speculation is over and the results are in.
Whats with the font change Mr Copy Pasta?
atoms
11-04-2008, 01:25 PM
Sorry sox....I don't believe it. Not saying any of those statements are made up. Just saying it is sabre rattling. Some dem's are pissy about the power the Republicans have had for a long (and seems to be on its way out...as it has been in ever increasing degrees for 4+ years). And they do hate Rush and Fox. But they are a fringe.
In general the democrats have favored free speech, as does their base. It's one thing to spout off about something you don't like....quite another to enact real (enforceable) legislation to change it.
A bunch of bullshit about nothing. However, keep your eye on it. If I'm wrong its calls to arms from the regular people that will keep it from coming to pass. But I just don't believe the dem leadership is stupid enough to do something like that that goes against their core principals and would cost them support.
Even as it is few are calling for a huge blowout in this election. It wouldn't take too many stupid moves to be out of power again soon. In case you haven't guessed, I'm a democrat, but more than that I'm for competence. This would smack of serious incompetence to pass something like this. I don't believe we have that sort of incompetence. If I'm wrong I'll join you in the next election.
redsox39
11-04-2008, 01:32 PM
Whats with the font change Mr Copy Pasta?
I started it, then I wanted to copy the link to the poll, but didn't want to start over, so I pasted it to my email, then I finshed writing it in my email, then copied it back on here...
It had 2 different fonts which made it look dumb, so I just picked one for the whole thing.
You are a watchful man Limp...
Da Raider
11-04-2008, 01:33 PM
I will, thanks.
If the fairness doctrine could be used to supress the expression of a political view the Republicans would've done it during their vast period of control. However it cannot be because there really is no clearer example of government dictating and restricting non-dangerous speech (a hugely unconstitutional act that would draw the ire of both sides, conservative judges for too much government control and liberals for restriction of speech).
The only area where there is some level of clear control is on the public airways, and again Fox News is cable so who cares?
Another side question, does anyone know if the FCC will still have any real power after Feb 09 when TV goes digital? There won't really be any 'airways' used by broadcast TV anymore, how would the FCC justify their existence?
The Fairness Doctrine was eliminated in 1987. That's when conservative / libertarian talk shows really starting springing up on talk radio. It's not a coincidence that Rush Limbaugh starting growing his listenerships shortly thereafter...
Presidential candidate Barack Obama's campaign says that he "does not support reimposing the Fairness Doctrine on broadcasters,"[24]
VoxAngelikus
11-04-2008, 03:51 PM
We already have a Fairness Doctrine. It's called If You Don't Like What You're Listening To, Turn the Fucking Radio to a Different Station.
Or was there something where we're not allowed to do that anymore?
Claydon
11-04-2008, 03:54 PM
So this is what we can expect from the left majority in the US? At least with bush, he may have pissed off a lot of europeans but he said fuck all, 4 planes caused severe injury in this country its time to take it to them. What can we expect from the left....the fairness doctrine. Something truly unholy.....whats next...... more nanny state programs....WAIT?!
Mustard
11-04-2008, 03:54 PM
We already have a Fairness Doctrine. It's called If You Don't Like What You're Listening To, Turn the Fucking Radio to a Different Station.
Or was there something where we're not allowed to do that anymore?
Fuck... apparently you beat me to this by less than one minute.
Fuck... apparently you beat me to this by less than one minute.
2 minutes actually.
Mustard
11-04-2008, 04:31 PM
2 minutes actually.
Not when I read it. I had to finish jacking off.
Not when I read it. I had to finish jacking off.
Jacking off is a great 1 minute timer?
Mustard
11-04-2008, 04:58 PM
Jacking off is a great 1 minute timer?
Sometimes I can get it done in 35 seconds.
So this is what we can expect from the left majority in the US? At least with bush, he may have pissed off a lot of europeans but he said fuck all, 4 planes caused severe injury in this country its time to take it to them. What can we expect from the left....the fairness doctrine. Something truly unholy.....whats next...... more nanny state programs....WAIT?!
Did you really just compare a couple Democrats talking about the Fairness Doctrine (despite Obama saying he doesn't want it) to the War in Iraq?
Genius
11-04-2008, 06:54 PM
Did you really just compare a couple Democrats talking about the Fairness Doctrine (despite Obama saying he doesn't want it) to the War in Iraq?
No, actually I think he compared it to September 11th.
cAsE sEnSiTiVe
11-04-2008, 06:54 PM
In 2007, Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), a close ally of Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) told The Hill, “It’s time to reinstitute the Fairness Doctrine. I have this old-fashioned attitude that when Americans hear both sides of the story, they’re in a better position to make a decision.”
Well you rotten motherfucker....if the media had taken your advice this election, Obama would be home sucking his cock right about now.
No, actually I think he compared it to September 11th.
Silly me, after 8 years of Bush I often mix those 2 up.
Well you rotten motherfucker....if the media had taken your advice this election, Obama would be home sucking his cock right about now.
No, he wouldn't.
But thanks for your post!
Genius
11-04-2008, 06:57 PM
This really is amusing. Republicans defend the right to torture people at will, but cry foul when you threaten to pit Randi Rhodes against Rush Limbaugh. I think this is an awful idea, that isn't supported by most Democrats, and has zero chance of being put back in place. But it is funny, you know, Republicans bitching about shit like this...
rc113943
11-05-2008, 03:56 PM
This just reminds me of Title IX, which sounded great when discussing equality, but has destroyed a lot of men's sports throughout the country, especially sports like wrestling.
Furthermore, if you force two opinions on every show, they are all going to end up Pardon the Interruption. Sometimes that kind of back and forth give me a headache. I can't imagine listening to talk radio if it is forced to become debate radio
Angry Ass Messican Dude
11-05-2008, 04:39 PM
This makes me sad. If I choose to listen to Air America, I don't want to hear Sean Hannity loud mouth farting away on it.
If I listen to Rush I don't want to hear Diana Fienstien telling me that guns are evil.
Why on Earth would anyone think it is a good idea to make everything fair and balanced.
It's like having a rock station the government makes play country music on half the day. If I wanted to listen to country I'd turn to a fuckin country music station.
rc113943
11-05-2008, 04:43 PM
It's like having a rock station the government makes play country music on half the day. If I wanted to listen to country I'd turn to a fuckin country music station.
awesome
Oh my god, I am so scared!!! They want to allow for more Howard Sterns on the radio to balance out the Rush Limbaughs!!! Fairness??? Heaven's to betsy!
Lock your doors... Pray for the second coming of the ones from the right, to return us back to the good old days of unrestricted torture, war, economic turmoil, religious suppression, the homeland security color meter, reduction of constitutional rights, pro-lifers, environmental pillaging and let's fight the myths of global warming, evolution, science and energy... Bring back the Bush!!! Vote for Sarah Palin in 2012!!! With Jebediah Bush as VP!!!
I am a cum guzzling cock up the ass taking ball licking bitch fag.
Da Raider
11-05-2008, 08:11 PM
Oh my god, I am so scared!!! They want to allow for more Howard Sterns on the radio to balance out the Rush Limbaughs!!! Fairness??? Heaven's to betsy!
Lock your doors... Pray for the second coming of the ones from the right, to return us back to the good old days of unrestricted torture, war, economic turmoil, religious suppression, the homeland security color meter, reduction of constitutional rights, pro-lifers, environmental pillaging and let's fight the myths of global warming, evolution, science and energy... Bring back the Bush!!! Vote for Sarah Palin in 2012!!! With Jebediah Bush as VP!!!
I am a cum guzzling cock up the ass taking ball licking bitch fag.
Yes, you are a cum guzzling cock up the ass taking ball licking bitch fag. But you missed the point. The article and the people in this thead are not saying "Oooh, I'd rather have an unnessary war and a loss of civil rights so we don't have to have that darn Fairness Doctrine in place." This is not an either or. There are plenty of things that the Bush Administration fucked up on. And yes, alot of them are more important than the Fairness Doctrine. That said, it doesn't mean that we need to put up with it.
Angry Ass Messican Dude
11-05-2008, 08:14 PM
Yeah he really is a cum guzzling cock up the ass taking ball licking bitch fag
kid_vidrio
11-05-2008, 08:22 PM
How do you really feel?
And the fairness doctrine is a load of bullocks.
rc113943
11-05-2008, 08:56 PM
Let's just eliminate the stupid free speech thing altogether, its so overrated - i want our internet censored, too
Yes, you are a cum guzzling cock up the ass taking ball licking bitch fag. But you missed the point. The article and the people in this thead are not saying "Oooh, I'd rather have an unnessary war and a loss of civil rights so we don't have to have that darn Fairness Doctrine in place." This is not an either or. There are plenty of things that the Bush Administration fucked up on. And yes, alot of them are more important than the Fairness Doctrine. That said, it doesn't mean that we need to put up with it.
Yippy kay yay mother fucker!
tockit
11-06-2008, 09:26 PM
This makes me sad. If I choose to listen to Air America, I don't want to hear Sean Hannity loud mouth farting away on it.
If I listen to Rush I don't want to hear Diana Fienstien telling me that guns are evil.
Why on Earth would anyone think it is a good idea to make everything fair and balanced.
It's like having a rock station the government makes play country music on half the day. If I wanted to listen to country I'd turn to a fuckin country music station.
So much for the 1st Amendment, huh???
Genius
11-06-2008, 09:33 PM
Yeah! Fuck habeas corpus, too! Wait...
heelsguy
11-11-2008, 11:59 AM
This makes me sad. If I choose to listen to Air America, I don't want to hear Sean Hannity loud mouth farting away on it.
If I listen to Rush I don't want to hear Diana Fienstien telling me that guns are evil.
Why on Earth would anyone think it is a good idea to make everything fair and balanced.
It's like having a rock station the government makes play country music on half the day. If I wanted to listen to country I'd turn to a fuckin country music station.
exactly. I could not have said it better. the only reason this is an issue is because only conservative talk radio is successful. is air america even still in business?
kareyn01
11-11-2008, 12:54 PM
So this is what we can expect from the left majority in the US? At least with bush, he may have pissed off a lot of europeans but he said fuck all, 4 planes caused severe injury in this country its time to take it to them. What can we expect from the left....the fairness doctrine. Something truly unholy.....whats next...... more nanny state programs....WAIT?!
While I don't doubt for a minute that there are idiots in Congress that actually want the Fairness Doctrine reinstated, I don't think it will ever be brought back. I think that there are members of the Democratic party that are trying to use the threat of reinstating the fairness doctrine to keep Republican congressmen who support regulation of profanity/nudity and all other forms of "lewd" entertainment in check. Its the broadcast television version of mutually assured destruction. "You attempt to impose FCC regulations on nudity/profanity, and we use our newly-earned working majority to kick your ass back to the stone age with the Fairness Doctrine".
It's posturing. That's all. And don't worry, if it ever became more than that, 99% of the liberals in this country would go completely apeshit.
rc113943
11-11-2008, 01:01 PM
It's posturing. That's all. And don't worry, if it ever became more than that, 99% of the liberals in this country would go completely apeshit.
apeshit with joy, i'm assuming you meant, right?