View Full Version : Electronic voting systems.....yes or no.
Claydon
11-04-2008, 12:51 PM
Today when I went to vote they gave me a choice of either a paper ballot (scantron basically) or the electronic system. So, having never used the electronic system I tried it and I have to say I was very impressed. The touch screen system was probably one of the best I have ever used, I even made an error on purpose just to see how difficult it was to correct the error and it was easy of course. The machine made a hard copy of my ballot which it spooled into a secure box and I got a receipt as well. Now I am not suggesting that all systems are this great, and I know there are some issues, but part of me wonders how much of the hype over these systems is actually technophobia.
Thoughts?
chipsahoy
11-04-2008, 01:10 PM
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Tar Heel
11-04-2008, 01:11 PM
Where is the option for "Yes, but only if they can create a paper trail."
Where is the "Yes, but only if they are attached to the internet and I have the I.P. Address" option?
Claydon
11-04-2008, 01:18 PM
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impressive, you know how to post stories that are a couple years old.
look, i agree there are still issues, but i was extremely impressed with the efficient nature of the system i used, the security systems, and the paper trail it created.
Da Raider
11-04-2008, 01:20 PM
Leo Laporte (technology guy) has a weekend talkshow on my local AM dial. They had multiple IT experts / hackers on his show and they explained multiple ways to hack the voting machines in California. This was last weekend.
chipsahoy
11-04-2008, 01:21 PM
impressive, you know how to post stories that are a couple years old.
look, i agree there are still issues, but i was extremely impressed with the efficient nature of the system i used, the security systems, and the paper trail it created.
Impressive you were extremely impressed with technology a couple years old.
last 2 videos were from last month
Claydon
11-04-2008, 01:24 PM
Leo Laporte (technology guy) has a weekend talkshow on my local AM dial. They had multiple IT experts / hackers on his show and they explained multiple ways to hack the voting machines in California. This was last weekend.
I know leo laport's show and i am sure there are ways to hack any system. Just like a truck load of ballots could be diverted to an industrial shredding company for the right price.
Electronic with a paper record is fine.
Electronic with no paper record is not fine.
Claydon
11-04-2008, 01:37 PM
Electronic with a paper record is fine.
Electronic with no paper record is not fine.
Claydon
11-04-2008, 01:38 PM
i suppose i should have stated in the poll "electronic with paper record".
Da Raider
11-04-2008, 01:43 PM
If you have to have a "paper record" why not just stick with a paper ballot?
Claydon
11-04-2008, 01:47 PM
If you have to have a "paper record" why not just stick with a paper ballot?
since when is paper better than electronic? do you get your monthly bills electronically? To me it seems to be a faster and when the technology is more refined....faster, and cheaper to process and hold elections.
If you have to have a "paper record" why not just stick with a paper ballot?
Paper record is the back-up and recounts.
dadaelus
11-04-2008, 02:04 PM
I always disliked the Help America Vote Act because it seemed to miss the opportunity to set a national standard for an integrated voting system. Granted it would have been expensive but not 700Billion dollars expensive and it could have help restore some confidence in the process. But from reading about the issues, the variety of machines that could be certified under the act, and the lack of transparency in the technology we will probably hear grumblings on election results tomorrow.
I did vote electronically and it did come with a paper ballot and a receipt. I thought it was painless.
I think they should use GMF polls.
dadaelus
11-04-2008, 02:25 PM
I think they should use GMF polls.
I'd get a hoot out of seeing my mother vote AJ is Gay or Face (http://forum.gorillamask.net/member.php?u=5)!
I'd get a hoot out of seeing my mother vote AJ is Gay or Face (http://forum.gorillamask.net/member.php?u=5)!
You has to Copy/Paste "Face"? You couldn't just type it?
Rover
11-04-2008, 02:34 PM
We should drop colored marbles into huge woven baskets.
If you have to have a "paper record" why not just stick with a paper ballot?
Because electronic allows for immediate results, but the paper backup ensures fraud is unlikely to occur (though it would have to be more like the optical scan ones or where it gives you a reciept, cause otherwise the machine could just forge the paper as well)
Gary_Busey
11-04-2008, 02:41 PM
We use paper ballots in NC. Fill in the oval with a pen. Works just fine.
Mustard
11-04-2008, 02:44 PM
This poll fails w/o lack of paper trail option for voting electronically.
Also, I wanted to choose both no options... :(
Claydon
11-04-2008, 02:50 PM
I always disliked the Help America Vote Act because it seemed to miss the opportunity to set a national standard for an integrated voting system. Granted it would have been expensive but not 700Billion dollars expensive and it could have help restore some confidence in the process. But from reading about the issues, the variety of machines that could be certified under the act, and the lack of transparency in the technology we will probably hear grumblings on election results tomorrow.
I did vote electronically and it did come with a paper ballot and a receipt. I thought it was painless.
If I am not mistaken such an act would not stand up to constitutional review because if I remember correctly voting is a state and local issue to operate and review. Obviously the big exclusions are baring people from voting due to race, religion etc.
dadaelus
11-04-2008, 03:14 PM
You has to Copy/Paste "Face"? You couldn't just type it?
It was worth the effort. Trust me.
Kerjack
11-04-2008, 03:18 PM
Where is the option for "Yes, but only if they can create a paper trail."
Agreed.
Seriously it should not be this hard to get a reliable electronic voting device. A couple engineers could whip one up in an afternoon.
dadaelus
11-04-2008, 03:19 PM
If I am not mistaken such an act would not stand up to constitutional review because if I remember correctly voting is a state and local issue to operate and review. Obviously the big exclusions are baring people from voting due to race, religion etc.
I do not think that it is a technical hurdle to come up with a national system and infrastructure that meets the needs of the voting public and provides the control or oversight that state officials may want. Saying that, I would feel a lot more comfortable knowing that it would be harder for the local election officials to dick with the system due to another possible layer of oversight.
I used the incredible technologically advanced and state of the art INKAVOTE system, and I was quite impressed... It works during power outages, its hacker proof, its a "green" technology and weighs all of 1.3 pounds.
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting_systems/inkavote.htm
Deadhead Derek
11-06-2008, 01:07 AM
If I am not mistaken such an act would not stand up to constitutional review because if I remember correctly voting is a state and local issue to operate and review. Obviously the big exclusions are baring people from voting due to race, religion etc.
yes and no, and horseshit. the feds can blackmail the states to regulate speed limits, then we can have a federally orchestrated voting standardization act... hell, schools are local, yet we have every child left behind, don't we?. paper doesn't break...