View Full Version : Is Manny Worth $25,000,000 A Season?
NOTKyle
11-06-2008, 07:58 AM
The Dodgers just offered Manny $25 million a season, for an unspecified amount of years.
I know talent wise Manny's worth it, or at least was. But we've seen how he starts to act when he isn't totally happy, and he's starting to get wrinkly.
WELL?!?!
If he was worth it, they'd have a ring right now
Jackcraver
11-06-2008, 08:35 AM
Yes he is
Manny brings in a ton of money to the Dodgers franchise because of how high a profile player he is. I was listening to Mike n Mike yesterday and they were saying he raised the average attendance by over 2k a game. Plus he has only been there for half a season. With the combination of Joe Torrey and Manny all they will need is an Ace of a pitcher and they are World series bound.
Manny's name is not bigger than the Dodgers name
Jackcraver
11-06-2008, 08:46 AM
Of course Manny's name isn't bigger than the Dodgers franchise. Manny just gives them a lot of spotlight and a good chance of getting back into the playoffs and maybe into the world series.
TheImpossibleMan
11-06-2008, 09:53 AM
No player is worth 25 million, not Alex Rodriguez, Albert Pujols, or Manny Ramirez. But even in terms of baseball economics (which are shitty and stupid) he isn't worth 25 mil.
Jackcraver
11-06-2008, 10:07 AM
He was already making 20 mil a season with the Red Soxs. The Dodgers had to come up with some kind of nice pay raise or else loose them to the all spending Yankee's. I don't think the Dodgers wanted to loose him or get into a bidding war with Steinbrenner so they had to make an offer he will accept quickly.
Draven X 23
11-06-2008, 10:16 AM
Yeah he was making about $20 million. But the Red Sox did not pick up the $20 mil options on his deal for a reason. I think the reason is because he is a douche.
I really do not see many teams that would want a guy like him. When he is on the field he is very good. But the rest of the time he has issues.
He is MLBs Idiot Savant.
I'm not fully buying into him hustling out plays everyday.
I feel that when he gets his contract, he'll be good old Manny dogging it in right, walking to first on a fly ball to shortstop.
No, he is not. Albert Pujols is the only player out there currently theoretically worth that kind of money based on predictable performance and age. Manny (and ARod) are not worth it on an open market.
Using BP's salary predictor (which is based on their prediction of an actual value of a win) Manny is projected to be worth (above a replacement player making league minimum salary):
2008: $6,725,000
2009: $5,725,000
2010: $2,900,000
2011: $2,200,000
2012: $1,250,000
Now that's unfair because the market overpays this model for basically EVERY player. So how about DanR's WARP/Salary predictor? His model is based on what the baseball market actually PAID in 2005 dollars. It's a bit too complex for me to use those predictions to model it, but lets look at recent seasons worth over $25 million.
http://rapidshare.com/files/159138974/Rosenheck_WARP.zip
From 1987-2005 his model shows 81 player-seasons worth more than $25 million. Does anyone really believe Manny will reach this kind of echelon, a top 100 season for the past 20 years every year of his contract? Manny is 36, the ONLY player since 1987 with a $25 million+ season of that age is Barry Bonds (every year from 2000-2004, ages 35-39). Heck, even looking at his older model (for all of baseball history) the only players over 36 who were worth that much were Bonds, Ruth, and Williams.
Manny Ramirez is one of the greatest RHH of his generation, but he is not Bonds/Ruth/Williams.
EDIT - FWIW, Pujols age 23 and 24 seasons were slightly above $25 million, and age 25 was just under it.
mongo
11-06-2008, 11:48 AM
based purely on age, 25 mil would be retarded.
Draven X 23
11-06-2008, 12:10 PM
Boras is also saying Manny is worth this much due to how much revenue he brings in for the team. In jersey sales and the like. Since people made a big deal of all the merch the Dodgers moved after they got Manny.
Thing is I just do not see it happening again this season.
goldsoundz
11-06-2008, 12:14 PM
depends on the length of the deal. for 3 or 4 years, no way. but for 1 or 2 with a chance to win it all...maybe.
BooBooBear
11-06-2008, 12:16 PM
Boras is a douche.
Anyone that gives Manny more than a 3 year deal is stupid.
ruffdog
11-06-2008, 12:16 PM
did the Yankees make an offer?
redsox39
11-06-2008, 12:27 PM
Well, considering what other player are getting paid...he DID hit .400 and drive in just over a run a game in the time he had with the Dodgers...
billysocal
11-06-2008, 12:29 PM
No player is worth 25 million, not Alex Rodriguez, Albert Pujols, or Manny Ramirez. But even in terms of baseball economics (which are shitty and stupid) he isn't worth 25 mil.
Well, considering what other player are getting paid...he DID hit .400 and drive in just over a run a game in the time he had with the Dodgers...
No. That is a stupid consideration. Do you expect that performance to continue? No? Then it doesn't matter.
BooBooBear
11-06-2008, 01:03 PM
did the Yankees make an offer?
Teams can only deal with their own players till the 14th. Then everyone get involved.
Draven X 23
11-06-2008, 01:57 PM
Is MLB becoming the NBA? Sure is a lot of money thrown around.
I'm pretty sure MLB>>>>NBA
hatepoppy
11-06-2008, 02:05 PM
I'm pretty sure MLB>>>>NBA
that is correct. /farleyinbillymadison
Deadhead Derek
11-06-2008, 02:07 PM
That ANY human being is considered to be worth that amount is an outrage.
redsox39
11-06-2008, 02:11 PM
No. That is a stupid consideration. Do you expect that performance to continue? No? Then it doesn't matter.
Maybe the length of the contract should be laughed at, but he has at least one more season in top form, probably 2, before he becomes a Ken Griffey Jr or Jim Edmonds...
hatepoppy
11-06-2008, 02:13 PM
That ANY human being is considered to be worth that amount is an outrage.some people earn it. how much do you think the owners make, yearly, off a baseball team?
Da Raider
11-06-2008, 02:33 PM
If the Dodgers went with $25 mill per year for 2-3 years, expect the Yankees to counter with $30 mill per for 6 years. Cuz they are idiots.
Maybe the length of the contract should be laughed at, but he has at least one more season in top form, probably 2, before he becomes a Ken Griffey Jr or Jim Edmonds...
But his top form is not hitting .400, he's never done that. Judging his likely performance by his last couple hundred ABs rather than his career track + age is foolish.
And lulz Baby Jesus, I don't think even the Yankees are that bad.
Lone Wolf
11-07-2008, 02:52 PM
On a one year deal, yeah ... otherwise no
merlin13
11-07-2008, 03:01 PM
How long can he keep up the numbers? I think if he stays with LA his numbers will drop drastically. The same way Thome's did with the Phils a few years back. He has to go to an AL team where he won't be expected to be an everyday day player. The wear and tear of a season that long on a body of that age will eventually rear its ugly head. Thome still hasn't found his stroke and prolly never will.
How long can he keep up the numbers? I think if he stays with LA his numbers will drop drastically. The same way Thome's did with the Phils a few years back. He has to go to an AL team where he won't be expected to be an everyday day player. The wear and tear of a season that long on a body of that age will eventually rear its ugly head. Thome still hasn't found his stroke and prolly never will.
I agree with the playing the field and numbers dropping parts, but Jim Thome hasn't found his stroke? I will happily take .245/.362/.503 (23% above league average OPS) with 34 homers please and thank you. He was the 3rd most valuable hitter by VORP on the White Sox.
Orestes
11-22-2008, 02:22 PM
The bottom line is that someone is gonna be willing to pay for Manny's services. We can argue about how much he's worth forever and both sides will have valid points. But someone is gonna pay the money. He's proved himself to be one of the best hitters in baseball for a really long time. he probably won't keep it up for the duration of the contract but I'm sure teams are looking at getting his bat in now and for the next 3 or 4 years and eating the rest of it for the sake of a better shot at a championship. In baseball economics the bottom line is he is worth it because someone is willing to pay it. A few someone's in fact.