I am Syria just wants this for peaceful purposes.

[Claydon]

VIENNA, Austria - Samples taken from a Syrian site bombed by Israel on suspicion it was a covert nuclear reactor contained traces of uranium combined with other elements that merit further investigation, diplomats said Monday.The diplomats — who demanded anonymity because their information was confidential — said the uranium was processed and not in raw form, suggesting some kind of nuclear link.
But one of the diplomats said the uranium finding itself was significant only in the context of other traces found in the oil or air samples taken by International Atomic Energy Agency experts during their visit to the site in
Syria has a rudimentary declared nuclear program revolving around research and the production of isotopes for medical and agricultural uses, using a small, 27-kilowatt reactor, and the uranium traces might have originated from there and inadvertently been carried to the bombed site. But taken together, the uranium and the other components found on the environmental swipes "tell a story" worth investigating, said the diplomat.
The second diplomat said the findings would figure in a report on Syria that will be presented to the IAEA's 35-nation board next week ahead of a scheduled two-day board meeting starting Nov. 24.
Attempts to reach IAEA spokespeople after office hours for comment were unsuccessful.
Diplomats already told The Associated Press late last month that air and soil samples taken at the site bombed last year by Israeli warplanes had turned up traces of elements that the agency felt needed to be followed up.
The findings are important after months of uncertainty about the status of the investigation by the International Atomic Energy Agency.
Preliminary results of the environmental samples collected from the site by an IAEA team were inconclusive, adding weight to Syrian assertions that no trips beyond the initial IAEA visit in June were necessary.
The U.S. says the facility hit by Israeli warplanes more than a year ago was a nearly completed reactor that — when on line — could produce plutonium, a pathway to nuclear arms.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27650896/

The plot thickens, seems to me that Israel was correct.

[AJ]

What the fuck language is this thread title written in?

Claydon, you fucking suck at life. Seriously.

[Nature's Folly]

I heart claydon.

[AJ]

I don't even know how to respond to such a ridiculous statement.

[Nature's Folly]

I don't even know how to respond to such a ridiculous statement.


High five?

[Da Raider]

What?! Syria has a covert nuclear program?! I'm shocked!

[hatepoppy]

wtf is a cereal?

[Limp]

Isn't it someone who kills people?

[hatepoppy]

Isn't it someone who kills people?
i thought it was a hacker.

http://i36.tinypic.com/24pvyc4.jpg

[Tar Heel]

this thread title is full of fail.

[hatepoppy]

i mean, he's just missing a 'sure' after the 'am.'

who the fuck is that retarded?

[Tar Heel]

claydon?

[Limp]

Like it's even a question....

[hatepoppy]

claydon?
but one of the many qualifiers on gmf.

[Limp]

Claydon for admin?

[hatepoppy]

more like claydon for SADmin.

oh i fuckin slay me.

[Limp]

more like claydon for SADmin.

oh i fuckin slay me.
Please do.

[hatepoppy]

Please do.
r d r r r.

[dantino]

I read it as "I am Syria! [I] just want(s) this [plutonium] for peaceful purposes".

But then I remembered that he is in fact NOT Syria, and that's where he lost me.

[Da Raider]

Maybe he's honoring Stephen Colbert's book

"I am America and so can you"

[rc113943]

i didnt read this thread for several hours because i didnt understand the title. I thought "I am Syria" was a person he was talking about ... then i finally got bored enough to read the thread and i sure am glad i did

[BIG PIZZLE]

Claydon sucks way too much cock to be Syria.

[Titus_Pullo]

Obama will go into Syria with nothing more than his intellect and put a stop to this. Peacefully.

[Genius]

Would Syria be justified in bombing Israel's actual nuclear weapons?

[taters]

http://home.no.net/eovti/BabyJesusCry.jpg

[hatepoppy]

Would Syria be justified in bombing Israel's actual nuclear weapons?
good question.

some would argue that its a more significant threat for an 'unstable' country like syria to have nukes, but fuck. israel seems to do wtf they want, regardless. almost loose cannon'y. but! theyre white and have money, so...

[rc113943]

Obama will go into Syria with nothing more than his intellect and put a stop to this. Peacefully.


yeah he'll march in there with no preconditions and no teleprompter and get lit the fuck up

[Claydon]

good question.

some would argue that its a more significant threat for an 'unstable' country like syria to have nukes, but fuck. israel seems to do wtf they want, regardless. almost loose cannon'y. but! theyre white and have money, so...

Of course Israel is doing this, she has been fighting for her very existence for 50 years and if even one hiroshima style bomb is dropped on Israel, the country is damn near destroyed. After being attacked twice and some of the largest muslim countries calling for her to be wiped off the map, Israel will act first and tell us to go fuck ourselves later.

[hatepoppy]

Of course Israel is doing this, she has been fighting for her very existence for 50 years and if even one hiroshima style bomb is dropped on Israel, the country is damn near destroyed. After being attacked twice and some of the largest muslim countries calling for her to be wiped off the map, Israel will act first and tell us to go fuck ourselves later.and the fact that theyre occupying land some think belongs to them makes some people violent towards them.

theyve all got motivation to bomb each other. my ponerance is regarding why exactly the US has sided with the j00z the whole time. it seems like doubletalk. its just all arafat and charon, rinse and repeat.

[Claydon]

and the fact that theyre occupying land some think belongs to them makes some people violent towards them.

theyve all got motivation to bomb each other. my ponerance is regarding why exactly the US has sided with the j00z the whole time. it seems like doubletalk. its just all arafat and charon, rinse and repeat.

Israel is the only stable democracy in the middle east, and of course the big jewish lobby in the US plays a role. During the Cold War this was especially rue when the soviets were selling their military hardware to the arab states and Israel was getting F16s.

[hatepoppy]

Israel is the only stable democracy in the middle east, and of course the big jewish lobby in the US plays a role. During the Cold War this was especially rue when the soviets were selling their military hardware to the arab states and Israel was getting F16s.

it's just inconsistent, as presented in the media. did the US not provide arabs with weapons to fight russia?

im by no means a history buff. it's just that it seems all to be about the money. power, whatever.

and why does it matter that theyre a democracy? i dont hear people complaining about the tyranny of a british monarchy. democracies are just as fucked, theyre just perceived to be "the right way" it seems.

[Claydon]

it's just inconsistent, as presented in the media. did the US not provide arabs with weapons to fight russia?

im by no means a history buff. it's just that it seems all to be about the money. power, whatever.

and why does it matter that theyre a democracy? i dont hear people complaining about the tyranny of a british monarchy. democracies are just as fucked, theyre just perceived to be "the right way" it seems.

We supplied small arms and shoulder fired stingers to afghanis to take on the russians, and we did route arms sales through dealers in the ME like Saudi Arabia. We did arm to a certain extent Iraq to take on Iran, kind of the old the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[taters]

I find it funny to hear people call Israel a 'democracy'. Yea, a democracy where 1/3 of the population cannot vote, and is separated in all faucets. And I am not only talking about Palestinians. Israeli Christians and druzes are also considered 'alien'. They are as much of a 'democracy' as rhodesia/south africa/burma/ 80s el salvador are/were.

And Stable my ass. They are in a fucking civil war with the indigenous people of the land. And they depend solely on US aid for their economy and partially for their military. Nothing of that qualifies as 'stable'. It very much qualifies as 'instable'.

[Claydon]

I find it funny to hear people call Israel a 'democracy'. Yea, a democracy where 1/3 of the population cannot vote, and is separated in all faucets. And I am not only talking about Palestinians. Israeli Christians and druzes are also considered 'alien'. They are as much of a 'democracy' as rhodesia/south africa/burma/ 80s el salvador are/were.

And Stable my ass. They are in a fucking civil war with the indigenous people of the land. And they depend solely on US aid for their economy and partially for their military. Nothing of that qualifies as 'stable'. It very much qualifies as 'instable'.

yah...israel is unstable, hence they pretty much have the only economy in the region that is not 100% reliant on petroleum production.

oh but wait, im sure you belive that the evil jew bankers and oppressing the black man once again.

[Genius]

Of course Israel is doing this, she has been fighting for her very existence for 50 years and if even one hiroshima style bomb is dropped on Israel, the country is damn near destroyed. After being attacked twice and some of the largest muslim countries calling for her to be wiped off the map, Israel will act first and tell us to go fuck ourselves later.
How about my original question, though? If Syria could determine where Israel was keeping its actual nuclear weapons, that it already has, would they be justified in launching a disarming, preemptive air strike against them?

Or does their status as "lone democracy in the Middle East" make them exempt from such strikes? China is hardly a democracy, and is allowed to be nuclear. Yet North Korea, who shares a border with China, is not. Pakistan? Hardly stable, yet possess weapons. Iraq under Saddam? Comparatively stable, yet not allowed to even begin uranium enrichment. All of this smacks of bullshit to me. In fact, I'm not sure there is a way to defend this nonsense without sounding like a complete idiot.

[Claydon]

How about my original question, though? If Syria could determine where Israel was keeping its actual nuclear weapons, that it already has, would they be justified in launching a disarming, preemptive air strike against them?

Or does their status as "lone democracy in the Middle East" make them exempt from such strikes? China is hardly a democracy, and is allowed to be nuclear. Yet North Korea, who shares a border with China, is not. Pakistan? Hardly stable, yet possess weapons. Iraq under Saddam? Comparatively stable, yet not allowed to even begin uranium enrichment. All of this smacks of bullshit to me. In fact, I'm not sure there is a way to defend this nonsense without sounding like a complete idiot.

The nuclear club has always been about limiting which countries have such weapons. Why let your enemy get the ultimate deterrent? With that said, no Syria is not justified, having been involved in two major conflicts with Israel say nothing of Lebanon Syria has a history of a very hostile posture with regards to Israel so I would have to no they are not justified in attacking their installations. Actually, Israel would wipe syria off of the map if they even attempted to strike their nuclear facilities.

[hatepoppy]

We supplied small arms and shoulder fired stingers to afghanis to take on the russians, and we did route arms sales through dealers in the ME like Saudi Arabia. We did arm to a certain extent Iraq to take on Iran, kind of the old the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
my question was how are both the americans and russians supplying the arabs w weapons when the arabs are fighting the russians?

[Whiffleball]

it's just inconsistent, as presented in the media. did the US not provide arabs with weapons to fight russia?

im by no means a history buff. it's just that it seems all to be about the money. power, whatever.

and why does it matter that theyre a democracy? i dont hear people complaining about the tyranny of a british monarchy. democracies are just as fucked, theyre just perceived to be "the right way" it seems.

Indeed we did aid the fanatical guerillas who fought against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

We also helped overthrow the reformer who tried to replace the despotic monarchy of the Shah in Iran.

We also supported and continue to support the despotic monarchies of countries like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates since we rely on them so heavily for oil. Yeah, they hate the rotten deal their Palestinian brothers got and the fact we lied about not supporting the partition of Palestine, but they like our money more.

uYYM2irQ_34

Fuck Israel and their "bomb first, ask questions later" strategy. We've heard this whole "We must not let the smoking gun be a mushroom cloud" logic before and it's bullshit.

The BBC takes a much more skeptical take on this story (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7721974.stm), which has itself been denounced by the IAEA:

Traces of uranium have been found at a Syrian installation suspected of being a nuclear plant, diplomats linked to the UN's nuclear watchdog have said.


The traces could have come off equipment or inspectors' clothes, but still needed more investigation, the diplomats told journalists at the IAEA.
The leak by unofficial sources was denounced by the Vienna-based watchdog which is due to report on its findings.


Syrian officials had no comment. The site was bombed by Israel in 2007.
Since then the International Atomic Energy Agency has been examining claims of secret nuclear activity at the al-Kibar desert site in northern Syria.


The IAEA has not confirmed the findings, saying evaluation was still under way, but it was "regrettable" that people were trying to prejudge the IAEA's technical assessment.


The agency is for the first time preparing a formal written report on its investigations in Syria, ahead of its next board meeting at the end of November.


Syria, while not completely innocent (but which state is?), has largely put the kabosh on insurgents going into Iraq and last spring it was revealed they were having indirect peace talks with Israel with Turkey acting as a mediator. (http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/25/world/fg-golan25)But some people want war first and merely look for the evidence to justify it.

[Claydon]

my question was how are both the americans and russians supplying the arabs w weapons when the arabs are fighting the russians?

arabs fought russians? the afghans did, but last i checked saudi arabia, iraq, iran etc did not fight the russians. the russians sold them BILLIONS in military hardware throughout the cold war.

[Genius]

The nuclear club has always been about limiting which countries have such weapons. Why let your enemy get the ultimate deterrent? With that said, no Syria is not justified, having been involved in two major conflicts with Israel say nothing of Lebanon Syria has a history of a very hostile posture with regards to Israel so I would have to no they are not justified in attacking their installations. Actually, Israel would wipe syria off of the map if they even attempted to strike their nuclear facilities.
I realize Israel would prevent them from doing it, and that it would not be in Israel's interest for Syria to become nuclear. But if you don't see that Israel has the same hostile posture toward Syria, you're intentionally blinding yourself. I think it's insanely hypocritical that the world applauds Israel's preemptive strike against Syria potentially beginning the process of possibly starting up a nuclear program, when Israel already has nuclear weapons. To me, that's indefensible. I don't even want to defend the Syrians in their quest to become nuclear. But with the crazy shit that Israel has done in the name of "defending herself", I see no problem with air strikes against her nukes, especially if it's in retaliation to similar preemptive strikes.

[taters]

yah...israel is unstable, hence they pretty much have the only economy in the region that is not 100% reliant on petroleum production.

Yes, AN ECONOMYb is the basis for which we determine what a democracy is, not anything like...fair and equal representative elections. I should be surprised you dont know what a democracy is, but Im not.


oh but wait, im sure you belive that the evil jew bankers and oppressing the black man once again.

For a guy who calls me intolerant, you sure have a lot of anti-semetic stereotypes about the people you support.

[Claydon]

For a guy who calls me intolerant, you sure have a lot of anti-semetic stereotypes about the people you support.

your ass fuckery has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

you may now exit the stage head first.

[hatepoppy]

yah...israel is unstable, hence they pretty much have the only economy in the region that is not 100% reliant on petroleum production.

oh but wait, im sure you belive that the evil jew bankers and oppressing the black man once again.

the evil bankers, many of whom are jewish, are oppressing EVERYONE.

believe that.

[hatepoppy]

I realize Israel would prevent them from doing it, and that it would not be in Israel's interest for Syria to become nuclear. But if you don't see that Israel has the same hostile posture toward Syria, you're intentionally blinding yourself. I think it's insanely hypocritical that the world applauds Israel's preemptive strike against Syria potentially beginning the process of possibly starting up a nuclear program, when Israel already has nuclear weapons. To me, that's indefensible. I don't even want to defend the Syrians in their quest to become nuclear. But with the crazy shit that Israel has done in the name of "defending herself", I see no problem with air strikes against her nukes, especially if it's in retaliation to similar preemptive strikes.
qft.

[Claydon]

the world does not applaud, just the US and perhaps some nations in the EU, however they tend to be complete pussies these days.

[Whiffleball]

Bullshit. Even the majority of Arab states didn't say anything when the Israeli strike first happened because they've been so cowed into compliance. Everyone who wants to stay on the good side of the West goes along with the whole "Israel good, Syria/Iran bad" thing.

You still haven't addressed the absurd double standard either. Why is it OK for Israel, with its history of preemptive action even in the face of unreliable information, to have nukes when Syria and other countries in the Middle East hostile to the United States (virtually all of them) cannot?

[Insomniac]

If only there were some sort of solution to this Jewish question.

[fuldstændigamok]

good question.

some would argue that its a more significant threat for an 'unstable' country like syria to have nukes, but fuck. israel seems to do wtf they want, regardless. almost loose cannon'y. but! theyre white and have money, so...

Not mentionning that the US are backing them up whatever they do.

[Archangel]

yah...israel is unstable, hence they pretty much have the only economy in the region that is not 100% reliant on petroleum production.

Um, Turkey, Egypt, Lebanon, Cyprus, Syria and Jordan, all of which are far closer to Israel than Iran, are 100% reliant on oil? News to me.

How about my original question, though? If Syria could determine where Israel was keeping its actual nuclear weapons, that it already has, would they be justified in launching a disarming, preemptive air strike against them?

Or does their status as "lone democracy in the Middle East" make them exempt from such strikes? China is hardly a democracy, and is allowed to be nuclear. Yet North Korea, who shares a border with China, is not. Pakistan? Hardly stable, yet possess weapons. Iraq under Saddam? Comparatively stable, yet not allowed to even begin uranium enrichment. All of this smacks of bullshit to me. In fact, I'm not sure there is a way to defend this nonsense without sounding like a complete idiot.

Because you can't. None of it makes any sense whatsoever, if you look at it objectively and dispassionately.



I am all for Israel's right to defend herself, and kick Muslim arse to her heart's content the second an Arab tanker gets so much as a whiff of Manishewitz. If they haven't learned after getting their arses handed to them FOUR TIMES, it's hardly Israel's fault.

However, if Israel wants to truly join the world community of civilised nations, and not look hypocritical with her every move, there are two things she has to do:

a) consider the status of Jerusalem negotiable;

and b) throw in prison and beat the shit out of every arsehole settler who thinks that he can de-stabilise the entire fucking world because his holy book tells him to build his bloody cabin on somebody else's sodding land.

Do American news ever report the fact that a significant portion of terrorist attacks in the region is carried out by Jewish settlers? Just wondering,

[hatepoppy]

Not mentionning that the US are backing them up whatever they do.
that was my point in the first place, was 'wtf, from an american perspective'.

[hatepoppy]

Do American news ever report the fact that a significant portion of terrorist attacks in the region is carried out by Jewish settlers? Just wondering,

you have to look really hard.

[Archangel]

While we're at it, do American media ever report that over 5% of Palestinians are actually Christians?

[Claydon]

Um, Turkey, Egypt, Lebanon, Cyprus, Syria and Jordan, all of which are far closer to Israel than Iran, are 100% reliant on oil? News to me.


Syria's economy is pretty much shit, they make some money off of oil exports from places like Iraq and they made money during that whole oil for food program but their unemployment is high and they have significant inflation. Jordan is not doing as bad but they also receive significant economic aid from the EU and the US because of their peaceful stance with Israel. Turkey although I am aware of your personal love for the turkish country is not REALLY a part of the middle east, I and I know you will ass rape me without lube think of turkey as more a part of the EU. Kind of like the Mexico of the EU if you will. A source for cheap labor and there are significant economic ties between the EU and Turkey which certainly assists Turkey's economic situation. Lebanon would be great once again if they could get syria, and Iran out of her.....I feel bad for lebanon as they have had nothing but fucking war for nearly 30 years, how can one create a lasting and stable society when foreign powers keep fucking with you.

[Claydon]

While we're at it, do American media ever report that over 5% of Palestinians are actually Christians?

Fox does, they are really big into showing the oppression and discrimination arab/ME christians endure.

[Limp]

While we're at it, do American media ever report that over 5% of Palestinians are actually Christians?
5% means nothing in America.

Ask the 5% of whites that are left in Houston, see how we feel.

[Claydon]

white people live in houston?

[Limp]

WE EXIST GAWD DAMNIT!

[TylerDurden]

Fox does, they are really big into showing the oppression and discrimination arab/ME christians endure.

unbiased news indeed.

[Claydon]

unbiased news indeed.

perhaps, or maybe they are catering to their demographic. Just as msnbc and cnn cater to stuck up urban 'intellects' .

[taters]

your ass fuckery has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

you may now exit the stage head first.

The only thing beyond a reasonable doubt is your dumbfuckery and rampant homosexuality.

Still does not change the fact that a nations economy does not qualify them as 'democratic'.

Especially when considering the nation at hand (israel) gets 70% of its economy from American taxpayers.

[redsox39]

While we're at it, do American media ever report that over 5% of Palestinians are actually Christians?

Or that not everyone in Israel is a jew? Who cares?

[Archangel]

Or that not everyone in Israel is a jew? Who cares?

Um, people who do not believe that the world has 300 million inhabitants?