Heroes - Volume 3

[Erased]

Discuss here.

[Fiend1138]

HEROES Season 2 Alternate Ending

http://heroesspoilers-odi.blogspot.com/2008/08/heroes-season-2-alternate-ending-and.html

Seth Green To Play NBC Comic-Book Nerd In HEROES

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2008/08/heroes-in-talks.html

[Stax]

I want to sex Hayden. I also want to sex Kristen Bell.

Also, anyone know what kind of stuff will be on the Season 2 DVDs? I'd love to know what they were planning pre-strike.

[Fiend1138]

Also, anyone know what kind of stuff will be on the Season 2 DVDs? I'd love to know what they were planning pre-strike.

Look one post up.

[Stax]

That's just an alternate ending, I meant more full-on story stuff.

[Fiend1138]

BONUS CONTENT for DVD

GENERATIONS ALTERNATE ENDING
INSIDE THE ALTERNATE ENDING OF GENERATIONS -What if Peter didn’t catch the virus (http://www.mania.com/dvd-details-for-heroes-season-2_article_58657.html#)?

UNTOLD STORIES - Gripping untold stories that never aired before!

SEASON 3 SNEAK PEEK - A behind-the-scenes look at the making of the third season premiere episode.

DELETED SCENES

HEROES SEASON 2 “A NEW BEGINNING” - Tim Kring introduces us to the theme of “extraordinary people trying to live normal lives.” We go behind the scenes with the cast and crew to see what it’s like coming back to a hit show and we also meet new Heroes as they share anecdotes about filming the second season.
AUDIO COMMENTARIES WITH CAST & CREW

TAKEZO KENSEI: Sword Saint

THE DRUCKER FILES

GENETICS OF A SCENE

MAYA AND ALEJANDRO RUN FROM THE POLICE - With an interview with Executive Producer/Director Greg Beeman.

THE ANATOMY OF THE CHERRY BLOSSOM/SWORDFIGHT SCENES - With an interview with Executive Producer/Director Allan Arkush.

EXPLODING MAN - With an interview with Executive Producer/Director Greg Beeman.

THE LOFT - With an interview with Executive Producer/Director Allan Arkush.

NBC.com Featurettes

TIM SALE GALLERY OF SCREEN ART
The Blu-Ray set will feature all the content above and have the following additional special feature:

U-CONTROL PICTURE IN PICTURE CAST & CREW COMMENTARIES

[bixby]

Reposting the spoilers for season 3. Abandon all hope, ye who watch this show.

Most of the season premiere was screened at Comic-Con. Here are some spoilers:

- The shooter of Nathan Petrelli from last season was revealed - Peter Petrelli from the future.

- Nathan is revived... and has a vision from God. Believing he's an angel on God's mission, he is set up to be some sort of religious zealot in subsequent episodes.

- Sylar corners Claire in her house. Despite hitting Sylar over the head and stabbing him, she's caught. In a scene that drew gasps and revulsion from the audience, we see Sylar probing her brain as she twitches on a table. Claire, who is conscious, asks, "Are you going to eat it?" Sylar responds, "Eat your brain? Claire, that's disgusting." He then steals her invulnerability, then puts her skull cap with the hair back on her head (to more groans). I think someone in the audience got sick after seeing the scene.

- Suresh develops a serum to give humans powers and injects himself, thus giving him super strength.

- Hiro takes over his father's company and discovers a secret formula in his father's safe... which is promptly stolen by a new speedster character. When Hiro travels to the future to see the results, he sees his future self confronting Ando over the formula... then Ando shocking him with a red bolt of electricity.

- HRG is shown in a prison cell while Nikki is shown as the mistress of a Governor.

- Parkman discovers Peter shot his brother, but Peter then zaps him into a far away desert.


"Mohinder is getting powers, and I can tell you that the powers you see exhibited at the end of the finale are not the end of the story. Before too long we'll see him exhibit a nifty power that he shares with one of the top five comic-book superheroes of all time. Care to guess which hero and which power? (Here's a hint: Homer Simpson had a pig version.)"

Spider-Mohinder confirmed.

[NOTKyle]

I don't want to look at the spoiler, but I'm guessing by you saying to abandon hope that things aren't looking good?

[bpb]

He's exaggerating.

[bixby]

Yeah, pretty much. There's this one particular spoiler that is pretty face-palm inducing.

[NOTKyle]

I only watched a couple episodes when it first came out, but the commercial with the Villain prison forced me to work my way through 1 + 2 in the next couple weeks.

[Philip Lombard]

Why did they reveal Kaito's power in a deleted scene?

That's not canon right?

[defprophet]

Discuss here.

No. I'm taking this discussion to the Weeds thread.

[The Ape]

Reading the spoilers....there is a whole lot of train wreck possibilities here. I actually like Season 2 so I have high hopes for 3 but the spoilers don't fill me with much hope.

[Philips25]

New Series Preview;

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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2239/1728155156_f83de5e492_o.jpg

[baskcm]

Really looking forward to the new season the last one was OK i just felt it stumbled a bit and lost its way in terms of story

[chaos2015]

i really liked the first season, the second season was ok, hope the third is better

[Philip Lombard]

1st started intriguing, getting to know the people and their powers. It got really fucking awesome from 'Fallout' on. The finale was a major let down, considering the amazing buildup.

Season 2 started out just plain awful. A slow start is OK in the first season, when we're just getting to know the characters. But we know who these people are, and we don't need bullshit like Hiro in Japan and Claire with her stalker. It started to get better right before the Writers' Strike cut it short.

From what has been revealed of the season 3 premiere, it sounds pretty fucking dumb. Hopefully it can turn it around.

2 days people.

[Uknowiphat]

T Minus 4 and a half hours til premiere.

[bixby]

Now that season 2 is officially considered to be a piece of shit by not only the creative crew for the show, but also the majority of the people who watch the show, you fuckers better not be apologists for this thing. If I see anybody actually defending scenes like the one from last season, where the cheerleader and Peter Pan went for a delightful flight across a blue screen, I will drive to their homes, kick down their doors and urinate on their keyboards.

[NOTKyle]

That's way too much effort for something so wildly unimportant.

[bixby]

I'll write them a scathing letter, then. With urine on it.

[RedBEARD]

Now that season 2 is officially considered to be a piece of shit by not only the creative crew for the show, but also the majority of the people who watch the show, you fuckers better not be apologists for this thing. If I see anybody actually defending scenes like the one from last season, where the cheerleader and Peter Pan went for a delightful flight across a blue screen, I will drive to their homes, kick down their doors and urinate on their keyboards.Really, I wish I had that kind of free time.

[Stax]

Now that season 2 is officially considered to be a piece of shit by not only the creative crew for the show, but also the majority of the people who watch the show, you fuckers better not be apologists for this thing. If I see anybody actually defending scenes like the one from last season, where the cheerleader and Peter Pan went for a delightful flight across a blue screen, I will drive to their homes, kick down their doors and urinate on their keyboards.

They found a way to put Hayden Panettiere in a cheerleading outfit for a 2nd season. They deserve at least some credit for that.

[bixby]

Really, I wish I had that kind of free time.
You just envy that kind of bladder control.

[Philip Lombard]

could it have been any more obvious that future peter was the shooter?

[RedBEARD]

Alright...

[Philip Lombard]

hayden panettiere is a terrible actress

[RedBEARD]

I still think there should be a "Hiro & Ando" show.

[Philip Lombard]

MY NAME IS SYLAR

[Philip Lombard]

one bitchslap put him down?

lame

[Philip Lombard]

fucking lame


sylar should have destroyed her

[RedBEARD]

Future Peter seems too powerful.

[Philip Lombard]

yeah they're gonna have a hard time matching him up unless they introduce another empath

he's got all of sylar's powers and more

[Philip Lombard]

jesus christ, nathan as god warrior


season 3 is already in a bad way

[RedBEARD]

Nathan the Zealot already annoys me.

[Philip Lombard]

FUCK THIS


this quickly he's finally cracked all his father's years of research, and on top of that it gives anyone powers.... failure


EDIT: claire holding her own against supposedly the most powerful villain in the show is also a farce, how can he possibly be seen as any kind of a threat if this little girl keeps getting the best of him.... terrible

[Philip Lombard]

ok, that was kinda cool


EDIT:

"anyone can have powers" is the dumbest idea this show could possibly use, and i know they're going to.... fucking dumb


EDIT 2: I fear for the future of this show.... oh man


EDIT 3:

OK THAT DREAM WAS FUCKING AWESOME


EDIT 4: I hope the side effects kill mohinder and anyone who uses it

[Draven X 23]

So Mohinder is now Brundlefly?

[bixby]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/kayaus/PicardWtf.jpg

[Philip Lombard]

kristen bell!

EDIT: larter still can't act for shit

EDIT: the train effect was laughable

[Draven X 23]

So future Peter can stop present Peter from using his abilities. And can also give him an illisuion to hide who he is?

I'm confused.

[Philip Lombard]

So future Peter can stop present Peter from using his abilities. And can also give him an illisuion to hide who he is?

I'm confused.
i was confused by that too

i also wasn't aware that he had gained the illusion power from candice

EDIT:

H R fucking G


EDIT 2:

hmmmm... this villain stuff is great, outside of the nathan god thing and the "anyone can have powers" i'd say this season is starting pretty well

then again the latter is a pretty huge problem

[Draven X 23]

But if Peter is in Level 5 then he can't use his powers. But then Future Peter's abilities shouldn't work either.

[Philip Lombard]

But if Peter is in Level 5 then he can't use his powers. But then Future Peter's abilities shouldn't work either.
they've got some explaining to do

i wish they would just recap all of peter's powers too

EDIT: i want to see peter get this scar

EDIT 2: why the fuck does she have a new power? what the hell is this show doing?

[Draven X 23]

Aww man. They wasted the Greatest American Hero.

[ShitBreak]

OH THAT WAS FUCKING AWESOME

[Philip Lombard]

i agree, but i don't understand

[ShitBreak]

It's episode 2. You aren't supposed to understand. That's how these shows work. Answer 2 questions...raise 3 more.

[Draven X 23]

So Nikki gets blown up. Reappears as this new chick. She loses her super Strength and now has Ice Mans abilities.

So when does Claire get adamantium claws?

[Philip Lombard]

It's episode 2. You aren't supposed to understand. That's how these shows work. Answer 2 questions...raise 3 more.
i hope they have answers that make up for these dumb ass choices they're making

[ShitBreak]

This isn't Niki. Pretty sure they just showed that.

[Philip Lombard]

This isn't Niki. Pretty sure they just showed that.
well she didnt want that story to get out for a reason


also, i'm calling it now, when sylar shows up behind angela in the dream, he's actually showing up as a good guy, to fight the villains


EDIT: yeah side effects.... fuck you mohinder

[ShitBreak]

HAHA...although I'd hit that chick if it meant my skin started falling off too.

[Draven X 23]

Random Thought: The Greatest American Hero is like Hydroman and Nikki's ice ability just froze him.

[Philip Lombard]

Parkman deserves better


EDIT: I guess he's the new Isaac

EDIT 2:

pleasantly surprised by the way things are shaking out

[Philip Lombard]

well that's an odd twist

[Draven X 23]

Seems like Bad X-Men writing so far to me. Like X-Men Evolutions bad.

Even the villians... Magneto, Pyro, Quicksilver... even though she is a chick

[ShitBreak]

I always thought that's what Mama Petrelli's power was.

[ShitBreak]

Seems like Bad X-Men writing so far to me. Like X-Men Evolutions bad.

Even the villians... Magneto, Pyro, Quicksilver... even though she is a chick

That is seriously a lame excuse. There are THOUSANDS of mutants in the Marvel-verse....some of which even have the same powers. EVERY POWER has been done.

[Philip Lombard]

i still dont understand how future peter changed the appearance of now peter and why he can't change back

[medlar]

What do all boys crave from their mothers? Sylar caught again..lol..Ma Patrelli is a freak.

[Draven X 23]

That is seriously a lame excuse. There are THOUSANDS of mutants in the Marvel-verse....some of which even have the same powers. EVERY POWER has been done.

Ever see X-Men: Evolution? They are pretty much picking every single one of the Brotherhoods abilities. I get its hard to come up with original ones since Marvel has thousands and thousands of them.

Might need to mix it up a bit. Or even mix and match. Stick a couple of the big bads with multiple abilities.

[Draven X 23]

i still dont understand how future peter changed the appearance of now peter and why he can't change back

Apparently Future Peter put now Peter in the body of a Lvl 5 Bad Guy.

[Le Goat]

Needs moar Rape

[Draven X 23]

Needs moar Rape

Sons of Anarchy is on FX

[Le Goat]

I'm a big fan of the Side-boob.


Nikki needs to fucking die off

The 'Create a Hero' shit is unbelievably gay as fuck.

I seem to like Parkman a lot so far. His turtle talking made me chuckle

[Stax]

This episode rates crazy high on the "WTF" scale. Ah well, they know I'll keep watching and they're right.

[Le Goat]

srsly, a fucking mexicant soccer player that can see EVERY possible solution before/as it happens? THATS a hero we vote on? GOD DAMN THATS GAY

[BIG PIZZLE]

I am so excited but I have a feeling this season will make me lose interest.

[Le Goat]

Me too. If they were smart they would pull a BSG and end the show after just a few seasons rather than let it burn out.

[ShitBreak]

The side boob of the Mya chick when he ripped her clothes off was almost boner-inducing.

[Philip Lombard]

i missed it because i was so bored by mohinder

caps?

[Le Goat]

Is there a thread on her? She's hot as fuck.

[Stax]

http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?t=6390&highlight=Dania+Ramirez

[ninja33]

This isn't Niki. Pretty sure they just showed that.

It was Niki but it was a different one of her personalities. Obviously she's a schizo...and each one of her personalities has a different power. Like Suresh said the effects of that injection would be different for each person providing them a different power. Therefore each of Niki's personalities has a different power...Jessica had super strength and fucked everything up, and now this Tracy broad can freeze people apparently.

[WigglingWii]

I thought it wasn't as interesting as I had expected. I guess I'm used to Lost so this show actually doesn't surprise me at all. I hate how much they emphasized on how different this season would be during their 1 hour premiere show. I can just tell how much this season will suck according to that.

[Distortion]

does anyone have a link to watch the episode online tonight? i programmed my tevo but it only recorded the first hour of that recap bullshit, i'm pissed!

[WigglingWii]

does anyone have a link to watch the episode online tonight? i programmed my tevo but it only recorded the first hour of that recap bullshit, i'm pissed!

Wait until tomorrow and you can watch it for free in HD on their website.

[Distortion]

i know.. but i got myself so psched up to get home and watch it, and my tevo fucked me, guess i'll have to be patient

[Fiend1138]

Veronica Mars and Weevil together again...

[Mr. Buzz_Kill]

Not near as bad as everyone made it out to be. To me, its just like when season 2 started... I disliked them as they aired but grew into liking it about half way through. I can see this season coming together nicely... but I can also see it jumping the shark and bombing.

[Oggie]

Wait until tomorrow and you can watch it for free in HD on their website.
Or you can watch it on G4 tonight and every Tuesday night throughout the season.

I thought it was good times and I got to see some Maya side boob, so that's always nice.

[Draven X 23]

So does the side boob make up for a season of her sucking?


I say yes.

[ShitBreak]

She also turned down her accent. So turned down accent + getting clothes ripped off + side boob = her not sucking

[Draven X 23]

I was at another message board where they were discussing how Peter pretty much sucks as a hero. They went through all of his abilities and how he does not use them correctly or at all.

After reading some of his abilities I have to agree that Peter is an idiot.

Future Peter has more abilities but for some reason he rather run away after shooting his brother then just turn invisible. Or stop time or teleport or anything.

[Philip Lombard]

That could be budget issues more than character issues. But yeah it's still lame.

It's the same reason I don't think they'll ever lose Parkman. He's got a power that they can use in really cool ways and it doesn't cost a thing.

[Draven X 23]

Invisibility and teleport shouldn't be too hard. Invis they just film nothing and teleport they just film nothing just for a little less time.

[ShitBreak]

I thought at the beginning of the season, and now even more so...that Future Peter is an asshole that has to be stopped, and Syler will literally have to become a hero to stop him.

Although, props to the people behind the show. They had more "powers" shown in the first two episodes then they did all of last season, basically.

[Fiend1138]

Future Peter has more abilities but for some reason he rather run away after shooting his brother then just turn invisible. Or stop time or teleport or anything.

Because he had to have present day Peter 'chase' him, so that he could hide him in another body and take over his life.

[The Batman]

My question is did Peter blow up again? He had that same facial scar. So is this some alternate reality peter? Or what?

[Cal]

It was pretty fucking awesome, off course this shit pisses people off. They have to lay all the tracks for the stories. Thus, doing and saying shit that didn't make sense.

This will hopefully be a cool season, villains and a omnipotent Peter that can use his powers. Plus, Hiro once again being the only person to lead the story with the rest filling the events that lead to his future glimpse. Like in season 1 and not in season 2. That what was part of what made 1 so great, you knew it was bad but how did it get there? Hiro is the what, the rest are the how.

[Cal]

Also, they better not make Mohinder into Spiderman in the mutation stage.

Spider climb, super strength, heightened senses and some weird mutation on his back.

[Draven X 23]

Also, they better not make Mohinder into Spiderman in the mutation stage.

Spider climb, super strength, heightened senses and some weird mutation on his back.

I thought it was more like The Fly then Spider-Man. But I can see it.

[RedBEARD]

I thought it was more like The Fly then Spider-Man. But I can see it.He does kind of favor Jeff Goldblum circa 1980-whenever that movie was made.

[Draven X 23]

A lot of it looks like it was taken right from the movie (1986).

[Philip Lombard]

My question is did Peter blow up again? He had that same facial scar. So is this some alternate reality peter? Or what?

the scar was never supposed to be from the bomb

[Draven X 23]

I thought the scar came from Hiro.

[Cal]

I just hope Peter gets his act together, control his powers and starts taking names.

I also hope, that they don't introduce some all-powerful villain just to match up to Sylar and Peter. They're both powerful and nemesis's, it should stay that way.

[The Batman]

the scar was never supposed to be from the bomb

I could have sworn in the first season that he got that scar from blowing up.

[Cal]

They haven't told the reason for it yet.

[Draven X 23]

Really? I thought someone mentioned that Hiro and Peter got in a fight and Hiro sliced Peter with the Sword.

[Philip Lombard]

They haven't told the reason for it yet.

yeah i hope it's badass

[Cal]

Really? I thought someone mentioned that Hiro and Peter got in a fight and Hiro sliced Peter with the Sword.
Nope.

[The Batman]

yeah i hope it's badass

I am pretty sure its because he blew up.
edit: or not.
"
It is unclear how Peter can scar since he has absorbed Claire's spontaneous regeneration (http://heroeswiki.com/Spontaneous_regeneration). Writers Joe Pokaski (http://heroeswiki.com/Joe_Pokaski) and Aron Coleite (http://heroeswiki.com/Aron_Coleite) said (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10490) about Peter's scar, "First, it is not a mistake, Peter can regenerate, but he still has the scar. Secondly, we'll show you how later on in the series. We promise." "
http://heroeswiki.com/Peter's_scar

[RedBEARD]

I could have sworn in the first season that he got that scar from blowing up.How the hell would you get a scar shaped like a slicing wound from an explosion?

[Stax]

http://img130.imagevenue.com/loc1192/th_80424_30650-doilookgoodinthis969862gb9-122-_122_1192lo.jpg (http://img130.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=80424_30650-doilookgoodinthis969862gb9-122-_122_1192lo.jpg) http://img166.imagevenue.com/loc863/th_80426_30648-braaaaainsmmmmmm9706936qf4-122-_122_863lo.jpg (http://img166.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=80426_30648-braaaaainsmmmmmm9706936qf4-122-_122_863lo.jpg)

I'd hit it

[hatepoppy]

the batman = the retardedman.

yes, i AM that good.

[The Batman]

How the hell would you get a scar shaped like a slicing wound from an explosion?

blowing up from the inside?

[hatepoppy]

blowing up from the inside?OHH! i get it now. his whole fucking body blow OUT his FACE through a diagonal slit that to an unretarded viewer would resemble that which may have been created by some sort of swordular type object or action. how didnt i think of that!?!

holy dipshitz batman!

and btw, the whole seth green/breckin meyer appearance will surely be related to hiro looking for more work done by mr iisaaak.

[ShitBreak]

Seth Green is just plain awesome.

I noticed that some people from Heroes have been making appearances on Robot Chicken. I guess it is one of those "I fuck your hole, you fuck mine" things.

[RedBEARD]

blowing up from the inside?Here's a brief lecture on the science of wound structure...

Blade/Cutting Weapon + Fleshy tissue = Nice, neat slice pattern

Explosives + Fleshy tissue = BIG GIANT HOLE WITH SPLATTER

[hatepoppy]

oh and btw -

peter DID blow up at the end of season 1. did season 2 peter have slashyfaces? no. so batman dick nipple chip licker shut your shits the son of a bitch up.

[Draven X 23]

Believe it or not, I’m walking on air.
I never thought I could feel so free.
Flying away on a wing and a prayer.
Who could it be?
Believe it or not it’s just me.

[Stax]

Believe it or not, I’m walking on air.
I never thought I could feel so free.
Flying away on a wing and a prayer.
Who could it be?
Believe it or not it’s just me.

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[Philip Lombard]

?

[Draven X 23]

The guy Nikki (w/e her name is this season) froze was the main character on the TV Show The Greatest American Hero. So since I saw Heroes last night the damned song has been stuck in my head.

[Philip Lombard]

ah... i was lost

[Philip Lombard]

so g4 is showing the eps from last night and every once in a while they ask a question about what will happen next...... people answer online and they scroll across the screen, but everyone knows the answers already

i don't get it

[janois]

so g4 is showing the eps from last night and every once in a while they ask a question about what will happen next...... people answer online and they scroll across the screen, but everyone knows the answers already

i don't get it
It helps the retards feel smart.

[Tar Heel]

They really need to kill peter or curb his powers somehow because he is able to do way too much and it makes everything else fucking confusing. Also, whenever he doesn't use an ability when it's obvious he should, it insults everyone's intelligence.

[Stax]

They really need to kill peter or curb his powers somehow because he is able to do way too much and it makes everything else fucking confusing. Also, whenever he doesn't use an ability when it's obvious he should, it insults everyone's intelligence.

That's the problem, power suckers like Sylar and Peter automatically become too powerful. Over-powerful heroes are why they keep having to reset the X-Men universe.

[Distortion]

i thought all in all it was pretty bad ass, future peter is the man, he keeps fuckin everything up, but he's still a bad ass, love all the new plots they threw in, love the excess of powers being used. Love the linderman ghost. Love the teleport parkman to africa move, priceless. Crazy ass villians all over the place = a lot of bad ass fight scenes. Sylar patrelli is ridiculous, thats going to far, but him possibly not being a villian this season could be bad ass, i still wanna see peter make his fuckin head explode. It does seem like they're bringing a lot of plot themes from season 1 back, I'm excited for this season to play itself out.

[Oggie]

I'd hit it
You'd "skull fuck" her?
Get it?!

[Draven X 23]

Why Has Heroes Failed To Save NBC? (http://io9.com/5053869/why-has-heroes-failed-to-save-nbc)

http://io9.com/assets/images/io9/2008/09/heroes1.jpgApparently, the nation doesn't want to see Mohinder Suresh's best Seth Brundle impression. Or maybe it's that they were turned off by the idea of yet another plot that revolved around attempting to change a future that we've already visited, just like the last two seasons. Either way, audience turnout for the much-hyped season premiere for NBC's Heroes was lower than expected - so low, in fact, that Dancing With The Stars and CSI: Miami both kicked the show's metaphorical superpowered ass. So what's gone wrong with the network's former flying franchise?
Ratings for the show's three-hour premiere were down a stunning 25% from last year, which has to be enough to make people over at NBC very nervous (especially when it can't be blamed on network ratings falling across the board; CBS' How I Met Your Mother leaped 21%, and even exceptionally unfunny hit Two And A Half Men jumped up 10% on the same night - gaining from NBC's misfortunes, perhaps) - and with good reason. If a one-time fan favorite show as massively hyped as this one was still manages to lose a quarter of its viewership, then there's definitely something wrong. But what? We've got some ideas.
http://io9.com/assets/images/io9/2008/09/heroes2.jpgToo Much Hype
Maybe they just had an hour to fill before the show properly started, but I can't have been the only person completely turned off by the masturbatory "countdown" to the third season premiere. Yes, the show's popular, we get it; no need to spend so long showing us clips boasting about how many countries love Heroes, or have the actors stand awkwardly in front of the camera with their microphones pretending that they care about us. If it wasn't for the wonders of fast-forwarding on TiVo, I wouldn't have stuck around for the real show - and I'm sure that many others felt the same.
The Second Season Syndrome
Yes, it may have fixed some of its problems before the end of its shortened season, but there's no doubt that a large part of the 25% of non-returning viewers jumped ship because of the slow, uneven and often just plain bad nature of the show's second season that squandered a lot of the goodwill that the first had spent weeks of ever-increasing sanity earning. No matter how good the teaser ads for Villains may have been in the middle of the Olympics, the taste of slowly-rotting cheese from S2 is hard to shift.
We Don't Need Another Heroes
We've already had a summer of superhero movies; maybe it's simply superhero exhaustion, and the fact that audiences may not want to watch the knock-offs when they can see the original real deals on the big screen? After all, given the choice between Robert Downey Jr. and Milo Ventimigilia, I can't believe that that many people wouldn't go for the one who didn't spend years on the (admittedly wonderful) Gilmore Girls.
http://io9.com/assets/images/io9/2008/09/heroes3.jpgNo matter what the reason for the ratings slump, though, it's something that NBC and the Heroes creative teams should be taking steps to fix right away - Maybe a Sunday evening re-run will give the show's second episode a Fringe-like bump, but I'm hoping for something a little more story-led to shake things up enough to get viewers return to the series. Let's start by killing off the two Deus Ex Machinas, Peter and Sylar, and go from there...

[Fletch]

Season 2 definitely turned a lot of people off, but this is a problem with shows all over tv. People are impatient, and dumb. They're so used to CSI and shows like it that wrap everything up nice and neat in an hour. Everything is answered like magic. "We don't know who killed that stripper, oh wait, there is a finger print we missed on a kitchen chair. Case closed!"

If you miss an episode you can pick up the next one no problem. Miss an episode of Heroes or Lost and you're going to be confused at the next one.

Anyways, I loved the episode Monday. Although I'm hoping Mrs. Petrelli isn't really Sylar's mother, what she said was just a figure of speech somehow. Maya is smokin hot, but she really adds nothing to the show. If she's naked all the time, fine, but don't let her talk.

[smith42687]

Yeah, I could follow everything that was going on, but it still feels like the writers have no fucking clue as to what to do with the plots. Half of the episode should be directed by Michael Bay (Peter/Sylar) and the other half directed by the normal people (Claire/Suresh/Hiro). I started hating this show at the season 1 finale, because they are too much Spiderman and not enough TDK.

This season feels like they're going to try to throw half of the episode into action, but lets hope they work on the blending. And also get rid of Nikki, Parkman, and clothed Maya.

[Philip Lombard]

do not talk shit on Parkman

Grunberg is the man

[bixby]

Grunberg I can tolerate, because it seems like he knows how to act, at least. Peter and the cheerleader can not act to save their lives, though. That opening scene where she's got him at gunpoint was fucking painful.

I could go along with most of this show's ridiculous plot developments if the actors would try to sell it, but most of them are really, really awful. The actor who plays Suresh especially.

If they got new characters, along with a new cast, and worked to make the plot a lot more focused, it could be an awesome show, but for now it's just entertaining garbage. Even when it's total shit it's cool for MST3k'ing.

[Bill]

I wanna fuck that French chick sooooooooo bad.

[Philip Lombard]

no Mohinder = huge improvement over last week

[Ninja Pope]

Sylar is either batshit crazy or he's pulling a mindfuck on Bennett. Either way, I love it. I want to see a road trip movie about Sylar and Ben Linus, driving through middle America and fucking with local bumpkins.

[Philip Lombard]

WTF

Dumb as shit to have her playing a different character who is a lookalike.

[Ninja Pope]

Yes sir...Sylar is a bad mother fucker. I bet he's even got the wallet to prove it.

You know that "if you could have any superpower..." question? My answer has always been "telekinesis." Fuck flying. Fuck invisibility. I want to move shit with my mind.

[ShitBreak]

Zach Quinto might honestly be my favorite actor right now.

[Philip Lombard]

He stole the fucking show tonight. It's amazing how one show can have such a large gap between good actors and bad actors. Milo, Hayden, and Ali are downright dreadful.

[Le Goat]

I loved Sylar out in the fucking open afternoon air with other people. It's refreshing to see his interaction.

[Draven X 23]

Well it is good to see they have changed a bit over the last 2 years. Normally Peter would have been stuck in that Hispanic Banshee dude for half the season. Emo Claire still sucks. Her powers really do not work for her to be more then the damsel in distress. Sure she can survive anything but thats it.

[Philip Lombard]

I liked watching her mom torture her. It felt like payback as her acting is torture for the audience.

[ShitBreak]

I liked watching her mom torture her. It felt like payback as her acting is torture for the audience.

Although her on the ground gasping saying "I can't do it" made me go from six to midnight in a hurry..

[Draven X 23]

I liked watching her mom torture her. It felt like payback as her acting is torture for the audience.

Yeah but Claire couldn't breathe but her mom could? Huh? Is she immune to needing oxygen?

Or the fun of most of the 'Villians' being killed or caught in the 3rd episode?

Oh and the superfast chick 'runs like a girl'.

[Philip Lombard]

Maybe since she can become fire, she can like breathe through it or something. It didn't affect her when the house burned down. I don't know I don't think the show thinks these things through either.

[redsox39]

I want to Bang Claire's REAL mom...That would be fucking HOT!

[Face]

Yeah but Claire couldn't breathe but her mom could? Huh? Is she immune to needing oxygen?

Or the fun of most of the 'Villians' being killed or caught in the 3rd episode?

Oh and the superfast chick 'runs like a girl'.
remember Mrs Petrelli's dream though, the villains foreshadowed were the Niki clone, Parkman's father, Kensei I think and one other person... these level 5 chumps are just a setup to bigger things to come

[Tar Heel]

Yes sir...Sylar is a bad mother fucker. I bet he's even got the wallet to prove it.

You know that "if you could have any superpower..." question? My answer has always been "telekinesis." Fuck flying. Fuck invisibility. I want to move shit with my mind.

If you had telekinesis, couldn't you make yourself fly?

[Ninja Pope]

If you had telekinesis, couldn't you make yourself fly?

Hell yes. That's why all the people who just want to fly are missing out on the good stuff.

[Philip Lombard]

remember Mrs Petrelli's dream though, the villains foreshadowed were the Niki clone, Parkman's father, Kensei I think and one other person... these level 5 chumps are just a setup to bigger things to come
the black guy who turns fear into strength

[Draven X 23]

Oh I have one thing. I rewatched the 1st 2 episodes...

Peter was placed in the Lvl 5 baddie. But everyone was talking about how bad ass this guys power is that they don't even want to talk about it. Or say what it is...

So this week its a Sonic Scream? And Sylar just takes it like it was nothing? Not quite as bad ass as they pushed it.

[Philip Lombard]

WTF

Dumb as shit to have her playing a different character who is a lookalike.
Rewatching now and I have to say, I'm feeling better about the clone angle. Look forward to seeing where they take it.

[bixby]

Ratings are in (http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/09/chuck-returns-d.html). I guess last night's episode had the lowest ratings the show's ever gotten.

Ouch.

[Philip Lombard]

Jesus Christ.... Dancing with the Stars

I hate everyone.

[BHM]

Ratings are down for most of the shows that didn't return after the writers' strike.

[Tar Heel]

Oh I have one thing. I rewatched the 1st 2 episodes...

Peter was placed in the Lvl 5 baddie. But everyone was talking about how bad ass this guys power is that they don't even want to talk about it. Or say what it is...

So this week its a Sonic Scream? And Sylar just takes it like it was nothing? Not quite as bad ass as they pushed it.

I paused it and read the screen in the 1st episode when they showed the guys on the computer. They were all consistant with the powers listed in ep 1.

[Mmeh]

There was an online mini series of around 3 five minute episodes. The guy in those clips had the same sonic scream power.

[Will]

Far from impressed so far, no villain they can create can ever be a match for Peter / Sylar but the writing for how they use their abilities is plain stupid.

There just doesn't seem to be any logic and things happen purely for the sake of story progression, and it robs the potential death of characters of weight when they come back anyway in one form or another.

Claire is boring, Maya is pointless, Hiro and Ando have been reduced to a slapstick comedy duo on a shitty quest that was created by Hiro defying logic and opening the safe, the time travel stuff is handled poorly and I could go on.

Also, if Bennet wants Sylar dead wouldnt having the Haitian next to him block his healing power and he could just shoot him? Its this kind of logic that's completely missing.

Edit: another thing, where is the sense of how high the stakes are for the characters actions, season 1 set it up nice and early and there was a palpable sense of danger throughout, now theres just a confusing and hackneyed set of potential happenings with no structure.

[bixby]

Yeah, Hiro really needs to quit being such an insufferable retard whenever the plot calls for it, or just go away. His shtick is tired now. If they got rid of him, Claire and Suresh (especially Suresh, worst character/actor combo ever) then the show will improve a lot.

The only good thing about the season so far is the fact that Marlo from The Wire is playing (or played, if he doesn't show up again) one of the villains.

Maybe if they bring in Omar they can somehow save the show's ratings.

[Stax]

Don't you ever suggest they get rid of Hiro and Hayden-in-a-cheerleaders-outfit.

Terrorist.

[bixby]

Nobody dies on this show anyways, so don't worry about them actually doing any of that. There's absolutely no risk involved with any of the characters.

And Hiro's act is tired. The fact that they have an entire subplot stemming from him acting like an unbelievable moron just shows that the writers don't know what to do with the character. They're probably only keeping him around because they think the fans they have left would bitch, but fuck them. If you're sacrificing storytelling for some bitchy-ass blog posts, then you shouldn't be writing anything for any show. The fans will stick with you if the story is intriguing and entertaining (I'll point out The Wire again, as an example.)

Plus, that Cheerleader girl will look like Sally Struthers in no time at all. Mark my words.

[Philip Lombard]

Sylar is wearing a Hail to the Chef apron.

lol

[Ninja Pope]

I'm wondering who the mother of Sylar's kid is.

[Philip Lombard]

I love when they do the future, cause they can do whatever the fuck they want then just change it.

[Philip Lombard]

This show is getting good again.

[Philip Lombard]

After the way they went into commercial last time, how can they not have gone back there for the entire next segment?


EDIT: Interesting conclusion.

[Dragon]

Ok, really? I hope Marvel writers are getting paid after every episode. Now taking Civil War-ish type storylines. Come on.

[ShitBreak]

For the love of god I want to kill you right now.

Stop fucking comparing it to Marvel. When a comic company has been around 100 years, shit is going to fucking be similar. Jesus christ.

[janois]

Am I the only one tired of the Hiro and Ando faggotry? Fuck Hiro. Yeah, I said it. Give him the sword of destiny so I can stop hating him.

[Philip Lombard]

ADAM

[ShitBreak]

OH SNAP

[janois]

And they might have a storyline with Hiro. I'm a fickle one. Ask and I shall receive.

[bixby]

For the love of god I want to kill you right now.

Stop fucking comparing it to Marvel. When a comic company has been around 100 years, shit is going to fucking be similar. Jesus christ.
Even if the show actually stole plot elements from a book or a movie, would you ever admit it?

[ShitBreak]

My point is, when Marvel has fucking done everything...how can they really do anything?

You are all like Butters in the "Simpsons Did It" episode of South Park.

[Draven X 23]

Serious lack of side boob in this episode.

[bixby]

I agree with the notion that stories are bound to have similarities, especially since Marvel and DC have been around so long. And they're usually just passing similarities, anyways.

If they start ripping off specific lines of dialogue/scenes, though, they should definitely get called out on it. I think everybody's acknowledged that the show's basically a different take off X-Men.

And it's General Disarray. Gotta get your South Park facts down son.

[Draven X 23]

So do you think Mohinder ate Alabama Man?

[Philip Lombard]

I wanna know why Adam is so important. He has the same power as Claire and she's pretty much worthless.

[Le Goat]

The Nikki storyline keeps getting worse and worse

[RedBEARD]

I think the writing process for this show this season was to put all the characters names and a whole bunch of plot angles onto written cards, toss them around in a drum, then dump out the drum and the writers then developed the show based on whatever cards managed to stick together.

[Stax]

I wanna know why Adam is so important. He has the same power as Claire and she's pretty much worthless.

Because he's badass Claire, all fighting trained and such. Sort of how future-Claire (dark hair didn't suit her, skintight clothes did) was so badass.

Also, how can new-Ali-Larter character be an ice woman but not have cold induced perky nipples all the time. I'm writing my Congressman.

[Uknowiphat]

You write Congress and I will write the Senate. We will get rock hard nipples my friend. This is America!

[bixby]

Future Claire isn't badass. She's unintentionally hilarious. I thought they were going to glue a Spock goatee on her to signify her "darkness", but instead they just went with a brown wig.

[ShitBreak]

I think we can just all agree that if not for Quinto, the show would be pretty close to meh-ness.

[Draven X 23]

True. My biggest problem is the fact its a big budget idea with a small budget. I have been pretty meh with the show since the 1st seasons let down of a finale.

[ShitBreak]

I still enjoy it a lot. But I can honestly say if it wasn't for Sylar, it would not be a "live" watch for me like it is now. I'd probably DVR it and then just watch it later in the week.

If a movie came out with Quinto and NPH....I am pretty sure my balls would be on empty after I came.

[bixby]

I'm watching the episode on hulu right now and...fffffuccckkkk, the writing and acting for anything involving Suresh is terrible. Why don't they just ditch this stupid ass character? Also, the actor has the worst "earnest" voice in the history of television. Which makes those droning narrations he does even worse.

[El Torpedo]

This just seems like its heading to laughably bad territory way too soon. The writers are brutal. I dont understand how anyone can make any threat, or get away with it, against Sylar or Peter, when they can literally stop time (well, Peter anyway) as well as do pretty much whatever else they want. What is pointing a gun at Peter going to do? Also, he has Claires power, why did the future one die?

[Tar Heel]

They royally fucked up this show the minute they let Peter absorb everyone else's abilities. Sylar being able to kill fuckers for it is awesome, but peter can pretty much absorb all that shit and has so many powers at this point it is so confusing and stupid. The only way to get the show back on track without being completely confusing and retarded about it is to kill that Peter mother fucker.

[Stax]

It's the same problem X-Men run into, and they regularly reset their universe. Too many powers and too many powerful people demands a reset.

[bixby]

Also, he has Claires power, why did the future one die?
Because the writers probably lost the excel document that lists all his powers. They're hilariously inept.

Kill Peter. Dude can't act and the writers wrote themselves into a corner by making him a demigod.

[Philip Lombard]

Also, he has Claires power, why did the future one die?

Wasn't the Haitian around?

[Stax]

Wasn't the Haitian around?

Yes. The Haitian was around so the shots to chest killed him, then Future Claire said something about "bullet to the back of the head" when she was cutting regular Peter so you have to assume they shot him in the magic spot before transporting his body (to ensure he'd be dead even if out of range of the Haitian).

[bixby]

But when the Haitian wasn't around, he should've healed.

[Philip Lombard]

That's what I figured.

[Philip Lombard]

Yes. The Haitian was around so the shots to chest killed him, then Future Claire said something about "bullet to the back of the head" when she was cutting regular Peter so you have to assume they shot him in the magic spot before transporting his body (to ensure he'd be dead even if out of range of the Haitian).

[Le Goat]

Wasn't the Haitian around?

No, Present peter was able to dash away and slap the shit out of claire THEN Peter ran into the Haitian and threw the trash lid at him, knocking him down and out.

[The Batman]

They also kept mentioning some place where future peter did a lot of bad things. I can't remember the name (I think it begins with a C something), but anyone have any ideas about this?

[bixby]

Eh, it's just easier to assume that that's a plot hole. We shouldn't have to write out excuses for lazy writing.

[Le Goat]

They also kept mentioning some place where future peter did a lot of bad things. I can't remember the name (I think it begins with a C something), but anyone have any ideas about this?

Costaverde (sp)

[Stax]

No, Present peter was able to dash away and slap the shit out of claire THEN Peter ran into the Haitian and threw the trash lid at him, knocking him down and out.

The Haitian's range seems very very fluid to fit the storyline. Sometimes (when Parkman was trying to raid the paper factory) he would be at the other side of a warehouse and stop things, but other times he has to practically be next to you.

[The Batman]

Costaverde (sp)

They never mentioned Costaverde before right?

[Stax]

They also kept mentioning some place where future peter did a lot of bad things. I can't remember the name (I think it begins with a C something), but anyone have any ideas about this?

Isn't that where the Sylar nuke went off that we saw happen?

[Philip Lombard]

That wouldn't just be lazy writing. That's far too heinous a mistake for them to make. I am giving them the benefit of the doubt that they wouldn't have such blatant disregard for their established rules.

That said, they've never exactly been clear or consistent when it comes to how the Haitian's powers work.

[Philip Lombard]

Isn't that where the Sylar nuke went off that we saw happen?

It's where Sylar went nuclear and where the Bennet's relocated after season 1. Costa Verde, California.

[Le Goat]

They never mentioned Costaverde before right?

I think they have. That house Sylar was in is Claires old house...

[Stax]

It's where Sylar went nuclear and where the Bennet's relocated after season 1. Costa Verde, California.

Right, so the 'crisis at Costa Verde' was the nuke, which the government apparently blamed on Peter as a dangerous radical.

As for the Haitian, I point to the warehouse scene I mentioned versus the recent theater scene where he has the formula. At the warehouse he jams from across the room, but in the theater he's like 5 feet inside (showing his ticket) and Hiro warps in AND the fast chick run up so TWO DIFFERENT POWERS work at close range to him.

I guess you could say he needs to be actively trying to stop your powers, but (while I can't think of any specific example) it seems like his mere presence stops powers.

[The Batman]

It's where Sylar went nuclear and where the Bennet's relocated after season 1. Costa Verde, California.

Thanks. Now, why would they blame peter for this when they obviously knew it was Sylar?

[Stax]

Thanks. Now, why would they blame peter for this when they obviously knew it was Sylar?

Right, so the 'crisis at Costa Verde' was the nuke, which the government apparently blamed on Peter as a dangerous radical.


Are you actively not reading my posts?

[Philip Lombard]

I guess you could say he needs to be actively trying to stop your powers, but (while I can't think of any specific example) it seems like his mere presence stops powers.

The specific example would be at the theatre, since right before they saw him, they noticed they couldn't use their powers. Now he wasn't specifically aware of their presence, but he had to expect trouble, so maybe he emits something and within that radius all powers are dampened.

This begs the question, why didn't he use this in season 1 when he and Noah confronted Nathan and he flew away. Maybe his powers weren't as developed then.

[The Batman]

Are you actively not reading my posts?

yeah, i knew the government played that card but didn't Clare, who was there when Sylar exploded, blame peter?

[bixby]

Wait, so one Peter can survive a nuclear explosion, while the other can't survive a few gunshot wounds? So he can reform after being turned to dust, but he can't heal after getting shot?

Damn, these writers really suck.

[Stax]

The specific example would be at the theatre, since right before they saw him, they noticed they couldn't use their powers. Now he wasn't specifically aware of their presence, but he had to expect trouble, so maybe he emits something and within that radius all powers are dampened.

This begs the question, why didn't he use this in season 1 when he and Noah confronted Nathan and he flew away. Maybe his powers weren't as developed then.

THAT was the moment that got me more pissed than anything else in the show. He was standing NEXT TO THE GUY and looking RIGHT AT HIM and he flew away. What the fuck.

Part of what bothers me about the Haitian is he has almost no consistent allegiances, just generally used wherever they need to advance the plot without one of the more powerful people using their powers before the story can be explained. It seems like basically the writers come up with a scene that needs to be made, someone says "Fuck, couldn't Peter/Hiro/Sylar just warp away or something?" and they say "Oh no, the Haitian's there standing ominously in the background."

[Tar Heel]

Claire said he's not dead yet. Like the bullets needed to be removed or something.

[Stax]

Wait, so one Peter can survive a nuclear explosion, while the other can't survive a few gunshot wounds? So he can reform after being turned to dust, but he can't heal after getting shot?

Damn, these writer really suck.

I think the idea is you have to hit that special spot, so if they later shot Future Peter in the magic spot off camera (as was implied by Future Claire) he'd be permanently dead unless you dug out the bullets.

What's weird is the healing power is NOT like Cell from DBZ where he can reform from even the smallest little bit. A nuclear explosion would DEFINITELY destroy whatever little bit of brain that the 'magic spot' is made of (the same area Sylar was poking around Claire's brain, I'm sure that was purposefully done) so it makes no sense why that wouldn't just as much stop healing (either the explosion in the season 1 finale OR last night with Sylar exploding).

[Philip Lombard]

It'll blow you to safety.

[bixby]

Wouldn't being evaporated hit the special spot to kill him? I mean, come on.

I think the writers are basically just switching up shit based on whatever plotline they're using. Which is lame.

[Stax]

Wouldn't being evaporated hit the special spot to kill him? I mean, come on.

Exactly. The logic that a direct nuclear explosion (or in season 1 BEING a nuclear explosion) doesn't destroy the healing power, but that a stick or a piece of glass can (as it did to Claire), is just weird.

[Tar Heel]

maybe he transported.

[HAWK]

Claire said he's not dead yet. Like the bullets needed to be removed or something.

But in season 2 the bullets were pushed out by the body. So....

[Stax]

maybe he transported.

Maybe for this more recent one I could believe that, but he was the bomb in Season 1. How could he teleport away from himself exploding?

[Draven X 23]

I think its just a certain part of the brain has to be blocked off. Sylar looked in her head to see how it worked. But she healed back up after he put he skull cap back on. The Tree Branch was still in her brain until it was removed physically. So it is pretty much a blockage stopping them from healing all the way.

[bixby]

I'm sticking with the theory that the writers are hacks.

[fuldstændigamok]

I dont know why you all keep complaining about this show. Its one of the funniest show ever. 45mn of bloppers every week! No other show can beat that.
Oh, and for all of you, niki/Tracy haters out there, FUCK YOU. Shes hot, godamnit. All the show should be centered on Ice Queen Tracy getting angry Jessica nipples sticking up.

[Draven X 23]

Really? She's hot is the best you can come up with? Hollywood has a lot of hot women. Very little in the talented category though.


Whats a blopper?

[Stax]

I dont know why you all keep complaining about this show. Its one of the funniest show ever. 45mn of bloppers every week! No other show can beat that.
Oh, and for all of you, niki/Tracy haters out there, FUCK YOU. Shes hot, godamnit. All the show should be centered on Ice Queen Tracy getting angry Jessica nipples sticking up.

I made that joke an hour ago. And I love the rule that superpowers disproportionately seem to affect hot people (Parkman the exception that proves the rule). But cmon now.

[Le Goat]

Exactly. The logic that a direct nuclear explosion (or in season 1 BEING a nuclear explosion) doesn't destroy the healing power, but that a stick or a piece of glass can (as it did to Claire), is just weird.

Seeing as how they're going with they were genetically engineered to be this way, it's highly doubtful that they'd live through a nuke which as we all know, basically evaporates any organic life (or anythingelse for that matter). It's gay

[Cal]

This begs the question, why didn't he use this in season 1 when he and Noah confronted Nathan and he flew away. Maybe his powers weren't as developed then.

Because the Hatian worked for Nathan's mom?

[Stax]

Because the Hatian worked for Nathan's mom?

Then why didn't Noah immediately turn to him and go "WHAT THE FUCK MAN, WHY DIDN'T YOU STOP HIS POWER?" It was like a non-event that someone flew away right in the Haitian's face because it was necessary for the story.

[Cal]

Disbelieve?

[Stax]

I just wish they'd dress it up a bit. Like have him trip during the chase so Nathan got far enough away he could fly or whatever. I like the recent trend of these couple new episodes of just knocking him the fuck out.

[bixby]

Suspension of disbelief doesn't apply to big ass plotholes.

[Philip Lombard]

Many things that happen don't stand up to even the lightest scrutiny, but I usually don't care. The episodes have been pretty enjoyable (except for Mohinder and Tracy).

[Techtro]

If powers stop around the Hatian, that would make him the only character whose powers can never be stolen/copied by Peter or Syler?

Also when Present Peter was getting the tour from Future Peter he mentioned how powers can now be easily brought, so perhaps powers can equally also be taken away? This would explain why a bullet would take down Future Peter, maybe Future Peter doesn't have the same powers as Present Peter, example being character morphing (no scar pete -> scar pete) or placing people in other peoples bodies.

[hatepoppy]

If powers stop around the Hatian, that would make him the only character whose powers can never be stolen/copied by Peter or Syler?

Also when Present Peter was getting the tour from Future Peter he mentioned how powers can now be easily brought, so perhaps powers can equally also be taken away? This would explain why a bullet would take down Future Peter, maybe Future Peter doesn't have the same powers as Present Peter, example being character morphing (no scar pete -> scar pete) or placing people in other peoples bodies.
powers dont stop around the haitian. this is evidenced in season one, as nathan is within 10 ft of both he and noah, and flew away no prob.

ive heard teh contention that this was bc the haitian worked for his mom. this suggestion at the very least suggests a necessary exertion of will for his powers to be active. he can choose to use his power or not.

regarding your initial question, i don't believe that's the case. as sylar was able to obtain, say, isaac mendez's power postmortem (by capping his skull and rootin around in his brains), he'd be just as able to do the same to the haitian.

i also take issue with the idea that powers would be easily removed in the future. this is almost absolutely contradicted by mohinder as he talks about how he fucked up and cant get rid of his fucked'd-upped'dness.

the fact is, these writers are really pretty piss-poor. as has been said already, there are so many inconsistencies and selective use/availability of powers that any intelligent discussion of what is or is not possible is truly in vain. as there is absolutely nothing worth a fuck on tv anymore (as if there ever was), it's not bad for a monday night.

but if it werent for sports id cancel my cable in a fucking hartbeetz.

[Cal]

There's one thing that really bugs me above everything.

Parkman can see the future? What?

[Ninja Pope]

There's one thing that really bugs me above everything.

Parkman can see the future? What?

Maybe the African guy's power is that he excretes a milky residue that, when eaten, enables someone to see the future. So he eats his own residue to paint the future, and when Parkman eats it he can do the same thing.

Yeah, I'm sure that's it...

[RedBEARD]

TOO...DAMN...CONFUSING...

[Uknowiphat]

Maybe the African guy's power is that he excretes a milky residue that, when eaten, enables someone to see the future. So he eats his own residue to paint the future, and when Parkman eats it he can do the same thing.

Yeah, I'm sure that's it...

Dude, I am pretty sure he made Parkman eat lizard poo and then made him listen to Enya. If that doesn't make you see the future... nothing will!

[Distortion]

If powers stop around the Hatian, that would make him the only character whose powers can never be stolen/copied by Peter or Syler?

Also when Present Peter was getting the tour from Future Peter he mentioned how powers can now be easily brought, so perhaps powers can equally also be taken away? This would explain why a bullet would take down Future Peter, maybe Future Peter doesn't have the same powers as Present Peter, example being character morphing (no scar pete -> scar pete) or placing people in other peoples bodies.

future peter didn't die from being shot, claire even said that.

[Uknowiphat]

I think she meant that future Peter wasn't dead because present Peter is alive. She did actually kill the Peter with the scar but if they don't kill the other Peter he will become future Peter. ( I'm confused, dammit)

[Fletch]

I think she meant that future Peter wasn't dead because present Peter is alive. She did actually kill the Peter with the scar but if they don't kill the other Peter he will become future Peter. ( I'm confused, dammit)

Yeah that sorta makes sense. Unless Peter is killed, or changes something, he will still become future Peter, and they will have to deal with him again.

And Parkman, he didn't see the future until he put on the headphones, right? So it was a mixture of the headphones/music and whatever he ate. At least him talking to the turtle brings some lulz.

Maybe this show needs a set end date. I thought it helped Lost get out of a funk, maybe it could get this show focused.

[Cal]

I think she meant that future Peter wasn't dead because present Peter is alive. She did actually kill the Peter with the scar but if they don't kill the other Peter he will become future Peter. ( I'm confused, dammit)
They can't die, with the regeneration power.

Future peter isn't dead, maybe they disabled his powers like they do in lvl 5.

[Fiend1138]

They can't die, with the regeneration power.

Future peter isn't dead, maybe they disabled his powers like they do in lvl 5.

She was going to put a bullet in your head, and there's no coming back from that...

[CAB]

there's no coming back if they leave the bullet in...

its just like the branch in claire's head in season 1, once that part of the brain is damaged, they cant regenerate until the foriegn object is removed. same thing happens if they are deprived of air (adam), they just wait until they get air to breathe and then they revive. furture peter probably can't revive himself b/c of 2 possible things,

1) off screen bullet to specific part of brain
2) haitian negating his power of regeneration

[Billy]

Is it possible that if their ability to regenerate is off due to the Haitian when they are injured, their ability has no healing power over the wound? Which could explain Peter's scar (though I think I missed an ep along the line somewhere, so that might already be explained)

[Uknowiphat]

i haven't seen anything about why future Peter as that scar

[Fletch]

"First, it is not a mistake, Peter can regenerate, but he still has the scar. Secondly, we'll show you how later on in the series. We promise."

[Distortion]

They've made it perfectly clear that clair can't die no matter what... she's "special" and if peter and sylar have absorbed her powers then they can't either

[Will]

Sylar is the only positive about this show at the minute.

I can't believe the big bad of the formula has come about from a completely stupid random act not explainable by any rational way with Hiro opening the safe because he was essentially just bored, it just feels like a cheap lazy cop out to kickstart the story.

Other irritations:

Tracy's visit to the doctor where he instantly gives up all the details of the DNA manipulation without prompt until inexplicably deciding he'd said too much at a point convenient for the writers, whilst Tracy just gives up and doesn't ask him anything else.

The hostage scene, for fucks sake Peter and Sylar, the 2 most powerful characters in their universe have a gun pointed at them, err why not stop time / move the gun out of her hands, use any number of other ways to stop the danger, but no Sylar wades in with a punch to the black bloke and gets his ass handed to him, give me a fucking break, the sheer lack of awareness of how to use powers is the worst part of the show for me.

This series has been completely fucking dire so far

[Techtro]

same thing happens if they are deprived of air (adam),

Side note, if they can't die how old do they get before they stop aging? It seems Adam would be in his late 20's. Has this been answered in some strange way to anyones knowledge?

[CAB]

Not that I know of but I'm sure that people who regenerate all reach a certain "age" (peak physical condition maybe?) where they stop aging just like how Wolverine has in Marvel Comics... same could be said of Adam and Claire probably hasnt reached it yet...

[Fiend1138]

Sylar is the only positive about this show at the minute.

I can't believe the big bad of the formula has come about from a completely stupid random act not explainable by any rational way with Hiro opening the safe because he was essentially just bored, it just feels like a cheap lazy cop out to kickstart the story.

Other irritations:

Tracy's visit to the doctor where he instantly gives up all the details of the DNA manipulation without prompt until inexplicably deciding he'd said too much at a point convenient for the writers, whilst Tracy just gives up and doesn't ask him anything else.

The hostage scene, for fucks sake Peter and Sylar, the 2 most powerful characters in their universe have a gun pointed at them, err why not stop time / move the gun out of her hands, use any number of other ways to stop the danger, but no Sylar wades in with a punch to the black bloke and gets his ass handed to him, give me a fucking break, the sheer lack of awareness of how to use powers is the worst part of the show for me.

This series has been completely fucking dire so far

yeah, well you're goofy lookin'...