Comic Book Discussion

[Bastard]

A thread where anyone can bullshit about current comic book storylines, past comic books,artwork, comic book artists, favorite heroes and villains, and the size of a comic character’s breasts.

[Genius]

Power Girl has the best tits in comics. She-Hulk's and Emma Frost's are nice, but Power Girl's are better.

[Bastard]

Power Girl has the best tits in comics. She-Hulk's and Emma Frost's are nice, but Power Girl's are better.

I would say Emma Frost is the best written whore in the marvel universe. Have you ever noticed that artists Adam Hughes and Jim Balent have a tendency to draw women with huge tits? Rob Liefeld has a tendency to draw men with huge tits.

[bixby]

Rob Liefeld draws man-tits? Whatever do you mean?

http://i35.tinypic.com/znlohv.jpg

Oh, right. That.

[Genius]

4 posts in and we already get the Liefeld tit drawing.

[El Torpedo]

I would love to be the first person he showed that picture to after drawing it and hear what he has to say about it.



So Secret Invasion had an amazing first issue, and really has fallen off. Every single 80's hero is a Skrull and all of the significant heros are who they're supposed to be except for Spider Woman? Lame.

[Genius]

Yeah, but Hawkeye is FUCKING PISSED.

[fuldstændigamok]

Hawkeye is ALWAYS pissed.

[Genius]

Holy shit!

Dr. Light is dead as a fucking doornail!

[Dragon]

Whats everyone thinking of Action Comics new Brainiac storyline so far?

[GreyFox1382]

Holy shit!

Dr. Light is dead as a fucking doornail!

Yeah, that was pretty sweet. I didn't realize at first that those were prostitutes he had dress up as the lady heroes. I didn't understand the rest of the issue though, what spear was that?

[Genius]

Whats everyone thinking of Action Comics new Brainiac storyline so far?
It's hard to do something original with Braniac, but so far they've got me interested. But they really need to throw us for a loop with it, or it will be, "Oh geez, Braniac lost again!"

[Genius]

Yeah, that was pretty sweet. I didn't realize at first that those were prostitutes he had dress up as the lady heroes. I didn't understand the rest of the issue though, what spear was that?
No idea what the spear was, but apparently it's some kind of Intergang/Crime Bible weapon. Totally weird how the old Renee Montoya/Cripus Allen crimefighting team are now fighting each other as superheros. It actually looks like they've been setting that up for years.

[Will-Kill]

Final Crisis and Secret Invasion seems to have just started the bloodshed...and we want more.

[Dragon]

Can anyone help me out with a Hulk question? I am wondering when the smart Hulk from the 90s came about issue wise and how long it ran for. Any checklist would be appreciated. Thanks in advance all.

[dw1984]

i have really enjoyed secret invasion so far. i think it has been more entertaining than civil war so far.

is anyone here reading the batman r.i.p. series? any thoughts on it?

[comicfan]

I think the secret invasion story line has not really gone far enough. While I completely agree it is a much better story line than civil war, there is so much more they could have done with it. I mean Jarvis as a skrull... come on.

[grimoald]

I am enjoying Secret Invasion, but I am fully aware it is pretty average. The fact that none of the big Marvel stars are Skrulls doesn't really bother me, because it would just make a lot of the recent stuff pointless, and that is a big deal when there has recently been 3 or 4 quite big events, from Avengers Dissasembled, House of M, Civil War and World War Hulk, you just can't go and retcon things that people invested so much in, if not emotionally, at least financially.

With Final Crisis I just have no idea what is going on, so I just can't get into it. Morrison's creator owned stuff is great, and I like it when he is having fun with Superheroes, like his JLA and X-Men runs, but I just don't like it when he meshes the two. I had the same problem with Seven Soldiers, it was just a headfuck imo.

Can anyone help me out with a Hulk question? I am wondering when the smart Hulk from the 90s came about issue wise and how long it ran for. Any checklist would be appreciated. Thanks in advance all.

I knew it was Peter David, but according to wiki smart Hulk started issue 377 (01/91).

[Dragon]

I knew it was Peter David, but according to wiki smart Hulk started issue 377 (01/91).

Thanks. When did it run till?

[CAB]

The spear that they found I believe is the Spear of Destiny which is supposed to be the only weapon that can hurt the Spectre.

Final Crisis is fucking confusing... all the leadups (Countdown, Death of the New gods etc) have nothing to do with the story... and the main people are acting out of character (like the GLs not knowing who Orion is when he was a member of the JLA)

Secret Invasion is starting to lose its luster b/c as grim said, there are no main characters that are actually Skrulls 'cept for Spider-Woman. The only thing thats saving it is Nick Fury for me...

Action Comic's Brainiac arc so far is pretty good and he looks like a legit match for Supes. hopefully Supes uses his head over brawn to defeat Brainiac instead of just getting mad and pouning him into pieces like they usually do...

Batman RIP just like Final Crisis is confusing (not to the same extent) and I wonder what exactly they are trying to do with the Batman character.

Oh and btw, Trinity sucks balls... 52 was great, Countdown was alright to a point until the Monarch/Superman-Prime storyline just got left hanging and now Trinity is just plain weak...

[GreyFox1382]

The spear that they found I believe is the Spear of Destiny which is supposed to be the only weapon that can hurt the Spectre.

Final Crisis is fucking confusing... all the leadups (Countdown, Death of the New gods etc) have nothing to do with the story... and the main people are acting out of character (like the GLs not knowing who Orion is when he was a member of the JLA)

Secret Invasion is starting to lose its luster b/c as grim said, there are no main characters that are actually Skrulls 'cept for Spider-Woman. The only thing thats saving it is Nick Fury for me...

Action Comic's Brainiac arc so far is pretty good and he looks like a legit match for Supes. hopefully Supes uses his head over brawn to defeat Brainiac instead of just getting mad and pouning him into pieces like they usually do...

Batman RIP just like Final Crisis is confusing (not to the same extent) and I wonder what exactly they are trying to do with the Batman character.

Oh and btw, Trinity sucks balls... 52 was great, Countdown was alright to a point until the Monarch/Superman-Prime storyline just got left hanging and now Trinity is just plain weak...


The Lanterns never actually say that they don't know who Orion is, they're just treating him like a normal murder victim would be treated. And the other lanterns might not actually know Orion, though John Stewart and Jordan probably would because they were on the JLA with him.

You're right about it being kinda confusing though. Trying not to think of the stuff that came before it makes it a lot easier I think.

Oh, and I did a little research and the spear of destiny is also the name of the spear that pierced Jesus while it was on the cross, which I think is a pretty cool tie in to the Spectre.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spear_of_destiny

In the late 1970s, writer Steve Englehart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Englehart) introduced the concept of the Spear of Destiny to the pages of DC Comics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Comics), and it has been used as a plot device by several other writers since. Perhaps its most important usage was by Roy Thomas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Thomas), who cited the lance as the mystic artifact in the hands of Adolf Hitler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler). In the continuity of the DC comic books, he used it to create a magical barrier around all territory held by the Axis Powers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_Powers) in World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II), repelling Allied (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allies_of_World_War_II) beings who were either magical in nature, or who were otherwise highly susceptible to magic. This was the official DC explanation (applied retroactively some four decades after the war itself) as to why the likes of Superman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman) and Wonder Woman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Woman) did not go right to Berlin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin) and Tokyo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo) to end the war within days of Pearl Harbor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor).

[Genius]

Batman RIP is extremely hard to keep straight. So far my favorite book from the series has been Robin, because it's relatively easy to figure out what's going on with him. The last issue of Final Crisis started making more sense to me, but it's still convoluted. As far as Secret Invasion goes, I thing we'll have at least one more big payoff Skrull reveal before it's over. There's still three issues left, so they have some time.

[Mulder]

I just read Batman The Last Halloween. Pretty impressive!

[grimoald]

Trinity is terrible, I stopped buying after 2, and stopped downloading after 4. I says something when I can't even be bothered to dl a marquee book.

I just read Batman The Last Halloween. Pretty impressive!

It is very good. It is such a shame the Jeph Loeb is capable of writing something that good, yet his recent Marvel work is awful. His Wolvering arc was truly terrible (and very derivative of JMS' spidey) while Ultimates v.3 is one of the worst comic series I have ever read. Though tbf, Hulk is relatively entertaining, shit, but entertaining.

[scrum]

I'm reading the old Frank Miller stuff, he kicks ass.

[dw1984]

Oh and btw, Trinity sucks balls... 52 was great, Countdown was alright to a point until the Monarch/Superman-Prime storyline just got left hanging and now Trinity is just plain weak...


i cant agree more trinity was horrible. thats the first book i just gave up on.

[Dragon]

i cant agree more trinity was horrible. thats the first book i just gave up on.

I have been downloading the issues but have not read them yet. Is it truly that bad? I mean it has DC's main tent pole characters.

[Genius]

I actually think Trinity is significantly better than Countdown, but I hated Countdown. Hey, let's throw everyone's least favorite Lantern with everyone's least favorite Robin, kick in some Jimmy Olsen, and make them beat Darkseid! Great idea! And we'll add the most bland art ever created! Hooray!

[Dragon]

Yea see I can't even give my two cents on that because I'm so behind reading wise. I have 52 and Countdown both downloaded but still have yet to read them.

[Whiffleball]

Meh, I have mixed feelings about Secret Invasion. It picks up the pace but Bendis still has a bunch of other things to get to before the end of the series. Hill on the Helicarrier, Brand in space and the whole Savage Land scene are all badass. Unfortunately, the Savage Land thing turned out disappointing because BAM here comes Reed Richards with his magic science gun that instantly shows who is a Skrull and who isn't! Now the whole Who Can You Trust? thing that drove the fear and drama is kind of canceled. Will the last three issues be about the heroes getting their revenge instead?

There haven't been any big reveals, true, but I am guessing that they are saving that for the conclusion. I don't think it's fair to say they haven't touched on this because they were at least teasing Stark as a Skrull ever since Secret Invasion was announced. Guess he's not a candidate anymore but I haven't written off that a major player will turn out to be a bad guy.

My two big gripes

Yu can't draw faces

The Colbert references are tired

[grimoald]

Yea see I can't even give my two cents on that because I'm so behind reading wise. I have 52 and Countdown both downloaded but still have yet to read them.

I liked 52 a lot, until the end, then it got kind of shitty and unnecessarily expansive. They really stretched out the story then with a month to go you had to buy (well read) about 12 spin-offs to get the whole ending.

Countdown was crap, and I gave up fairly quickly, but Trinity is just awful, which was surprising.

[Dragon]

I also just downloaded The Darkness (V.1 and V.2) and Witchblade. Worth it? What's the deal with the baby? I haven't started reading yet and know it is somewhat explain in their respective titles but there was also a crossover am I right? Anybody remember the name of it and if it's available on the forum yet? Thanks.

[comicfan]

I have to admit, because of countdown and 52 I am now hooked on Booster Gold. It has been a pretty good series thus far. Seeing Beetle back was pretty cool.

[Genius]

The Booster series has been relatively entertaining, and he was fantastic in 52. Before that, I hated the character.

[comicfan]

A series that is really driving me insane right now is the new HULK series.. I mean red hulk, green hulk, A-bomb... who cares now! Just get over it and make the story line progress a bit more.

[Genius]

It's horrible. People already complain about how unstoppable the Hulk is. So they make someone who can easily defeat him AND Thor? Stupid, just stupid.

[Will-Kill]

The only problem I have was the Hulk was completely outclassed...I don't remember the last time I have seen that...

Rick Jones as A-Bomb.....WTF is that?

[grimoald]

The Hulk is shitty, but I don't mind it as throw-away entertainment.

Astonishingly it is also by far the best regular book Loeb has written for a while now (though I haven't picked up his new Tim Sale mini yet).

[Hobnail_Boot]

Buffy Season 8 >>> All others

[comicfan]

Hmmm.... I mean Buffy has been pretty good but I am not too sure if I would call it the better than the rest (unless you are referring to the other Buffy seasons).

[Hobnail_Boot]

Hmmm.... I mean Buffy has been pretty good but I am not too sure if I would call it the better than the rest (unless you are referring to the other Buffy seasons).
That's just my opinion. And, of course, my opinion is always right.

[Genius]

Just caught up with Checkmate. Very good read while Greg Rucka was on board for the first 25 issues, then plunges straight into the toilet. Some fun usage of superheros in a secret agency setting, taking them out of their element. They need to get a strong writer back on this, as the art is pretty solid throughout.

[CAB]

Just caught up with Checkmate. Very good read while Greg Rucka was on board for the first 25 issues, then plunges straight into the toilet. Some fun usage of superheros in a secret agency setting, taking them out of their element. They need to get a strong writer back on this, as the art is pretty solid throughout.
agreed... it was great with the whole Waller angle but now she's gone, they've lost their way...

[danjuro]

You know what i've been reading that's been pretty nuts? Young Liars is the most fucking insane thing I have ever read. It's really twisted and good. Oh, and has anyone noticed how good the side books for Final Crisis are? Requiem, Revelations, and Rogues Revenge are all great.

[Genius]

Anyone care to take a shot at explaining Batman RIP to me? I have no clue what's going on.

[Genius]

I love Superboy Prime. I hope he always stays a whiny little bitch that kills people.

[GreyFox1382]

haha, I love at how pissed he was that his statue was in storage!

[Will-Kill]

I swear they just need Superman to beat the crap put of Superbitch so he would stop being such a bitch and man up.

[PWalk]

Anyone else read the latest edition of Guardians of the Galaxy? I was never a big fan of the past books but this one thus far has been really entertaining.

[freegood]

I don't get why the Skrulls are picking a fight off Knowwhere when they're pulling off a fullscale invasion across the galaxy.

Seems like a Pearl Harbor move to me...

[CAB]

probably a way to make sure that the Guardians don't decide to come spoil their party when they realize Earth is in trouble. its probably why they'll go after Nova too

[Genius]

I wish Final Crisis: Rouge's Revenge was 50 issues long. What a bloodbath!

[GreyFox1382]

didn't they cut it down from 5 issues to 3? It needs to be at least 5 or more issues. I think its the best Crisis labeled series

[Will-Kill]

Yea the whole mass murdering is good stuff.

Black Panther was good, and the Anti-Venom has arrived...who is eddie brock....SHOCKER!!!
Super Skrull is such a asshole.

[The GWD]

So...anybody read Elephantmen?

[The GWD]

No? That's cool, I'm my own best friend anyways.

I really enjoy the Worlds Collide arc so far.

[Bastard]

I haven't read it. How is it? I'm behind in my comic reading and am currently reading The Losers series from Vertigo. It's pretty good incase you wanted something else to read.

[The GWD]

I like it a lot. Elephantmen's a spinoff of Hip Flask (http://www.hipflask.com/), which is a comic I originally got just for the idea of a hippo dressed as a 1920's era private detective. The stories are actually really good, for a sci-fi type futuristic thing.

The Losers, I've heard of it. I've seen it. Pretty good?

Do you read any of the Star Wars stuff?

[Bastard]

I like it a lot. Elephantmen's a spinoff of Hip Flask (http://www.hipflask.com/), which is a comic I originally got just for the idea of a hippo dressed as a 1920's era private detective. The stories are actually really good, for a sci-fi type futuristic thing.

The Losers, I've heard of it. I've seen it. Pretty good?

Do you read any of the Star Wars stuff?

Sounds interesting. I'll check it out. Yeah. It's really good from what I've read of it. It's soldiers vs. the CIA. I do read the Star Wars comics but I've lagged behind on that as well.

[The GWD]

A lot of people I know that are into comics hate sci-fi shit. If you're going to go nerd, just go full out.

And I was just wondering if the Force Unleashed was worth checking out. Looks like whoever did the artwork did a good job, at least.

[Bastard]

I agree. I like science fiction too. I even own Dune. If a story is good, it doesn't really matter what genre it falls into. I have a copy of the Force Unleashed and it looks promising but haven't gotten around to reading it yet.

[freegood]

I've been dumping on Secret Invasion crossovers, but last week's batch were pretty entertaining.

[Genius]

The need to be consistent with this shit. There's nothing on tap for Marvel this week. That's poor planning.

[nirvanasaves]

Anybody else reading the new Hellboy series? I'm really liking it and I think this artist's style fits work with the Hellboy universe.

[JohnQRotten]

A lot of people I know that are into comics hate sci-fi shit. If you're going to go nerd, just go full out.

And I was just wondering if the Force Unleashed was worth checking out. Looks like whoever did the artwork did a good job, at least.

I read all the Star Wars comics. To answer your question, the Force Unleashed is a good story on it's own (great art and awesome action scenes) but it wreaks havoc on the greater Star Wars continuity. We have crazyness such as Bail Organa being held as a prisoner on the still-in-construction Death Star I (Well, I guess you could say that is how he knew about it, but still...).

Does anybody read Hack/Slash? The Hack/Slash meets Herbert West, the Reanimator arc has begun.

[TheImpossibleMan]

I'm taking a comic book class in college right now, and the reading list is:

UNDERSTANDING COMICS by Scott McCloud

SLEEPWALK & OTHER STORIES by Adrian Tomine

MAUS: A SURVIVOR'S TALE by Art Spiegelman

GHOST WORLD by Daniel Clowes

THE FATAL BULLET by Rick Geary

ESSENTIAL SPIDER-MAN VOL. 6 by Gerry Conway & others

STRANGERS IN PARADISE: I DREAM OF YOU by Terry Moore

WATCHMEN by Alan Moore & Dave Gibbons

SIN CITY: THE HARD GOODBYE by Frank Miller

PERSEPOLIS by Marjane Satrapi

AMERICAN WIDOW by Alissa Torres & Sungyoon Choi

LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN VOL. 1 & 2 by Alan Moore and Kevin O’Neill

I've read the majority of these, several of them in just the last few days. I wanted to talk about Strangers In Paradise and how much I think it sucks. Is anyone familiar?

[Syndicate]

These 4 panels made my panties wet.

http://images.undergone.org/images/Avengers.gif

[Hobnail_Boot]

Anyone reading NYX: No Way Home? I picked up #1 a while back (#2 was released today) based on a recommendation from my comic book shop guys. I really need/want to expand my comic book reading horizons. I only read Star Wars, Buffy, Angel, and Spike, with the occasional one-shot of something that looks interesting.

[nirvanasaves]

Never heard of NYX: No Way Home, but if you're looking to broaden your comic book selection I would suggest the Hellboy series, the BPRD series, and the Goon.

Was issue 1 of NYX: No Way Home any good?

[Archetype]

Anyone reading NYX: No Way Home? I picked up #1 a while back (#2 was released today) based on a recommendation from my comic book shop guys. I really need/want to expand my comic book reading horizons. I only read Star Wars, Buffy, Angel, and Spike, with the occasional one-shot of something that looks interesting.
Start picking up some old Heavy Metal issues.

[Hobnail_Boot]

Never heard of NYX: No Way Home, but if you're looking to broaden your comic book selection I would suggest the Hellboy series, the BPRD series, and the Goon.

Was issue 1 of NYX: No Way Home any good?
I'm a huge fan of Dark Horse's Star Wars work (and thus I'm familiar with Hellboy, BPRD, and the Goon), but I've never read any of it. I'll check it out.

And I believe that NYX: No Way Home is a spin-off/continuation of Marvel's limited series NYX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NYX_(comic_book)) that, according to Wikipedia, consisted "of seven issues published between Fall 2003 and late 2005."

Start picking up some old Heavy Metal issues.
Heavy Metal as in the cartoon (anime?) movie from the 1980's that featured lots of nekkidness and weird sex?

[Genius]

Final Crisis: Revelations got amazingly cool, amazingly quick, especially if you've read 52 and The Death of the New Gods. In this reader's opinion, FC >>> SI.

[dadaelus]

I had some requests for comic book wallpapers. I stuck about 250 of them in the wallpaper thread on this page: http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?t=1054&page=41

They are from DC or DC owned titles and all are at 1600 x 1200 resolution.

[nirvanasaves]

I had some requests for comic book wallpapers. I stuck about 250 of them in the wallpaper thread on this page: http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?t=1054&page=41

They are from DC or DC owned titles and all are at 1600 x 1200 resolution.

Those are pretty cool. I really like the New Frontier style.

Do you have any Marvel or Dark Horse?

[Genius]

Lots of Alex Ross shit. Always awesome. I used the Final Crisis Sketchbook.

[dadaelus]

Those are pretty cool. I really like the New Frontier style.

Do you have any Marvel or Dark Horse?

I'm getting those formatted. I should have some during the next week.

[Bastard]

The new Deadpool comic started out on a decent note.
If you like the character Magneto, you’ll most likely enjoy House of M Civil War which has Magneto vs. the sentinels and Apocalypse.

My favorite comic this week was X-men: Magneto Testament. It was really great as it delves into the origin of Magneto. How can you go wrong with a story containing Magneto vs. Nazi hordes.

[PWalk]

I started reading the Elephantmen comics based on the earlier suggestion a page before this one and so far I am really enjoying it. You can't beat the art and the story has kept me interested so far.

[Genius]

Ultimate Origins is pretty sweet. Injecting some life into the series anyway.

[Whiffleball]

I read a bunch of Batman RIP and don't know how I feel about it. I'll keep reading it just to see what Morrison does but JESUS CHRIST does he write his characters into corners with his crazy shit. Yeah, it makes for interesting reading, but I think there's a reason writers don't just take a bunch of LSD and come up with plots. But, fuck, it's nothing that can't be retconned later anyway, right, Xorneto?

I'm re-reading Sinestro Corps War. It's that good.

DCU: Decisions is all right stuff. It's basically the JLA injected into the (fictional) presidential race. Basically DC decided to capitalize on the most interesting election in forever by doing a comics tie-in. I was kind of worried that you'd suddenly see superheros start declaring their political allegiances for no good reason, but considering Green Arrow is a well-known liberal, him endorsing the left-wing Democrat in the primaries is conceivable. I was a little surprised to see where Lois Lane stands, though. Still not sure how you're going to have heroes who fucking know better not to open their big mouths when it comes to politics (or sex or religion, etc) getting all up in this. Well, Guy Gardner is promised on the next cover, implying he backs a Republican candidate, and he's pretty much the definition of a big mouth.

Top Cow had a little contest where an amateur comic would be picked up and turned into a real honest-to-God comic book to be published by them. The excellent Twilight Guardian by Troy Hickman won along with another called Genius... Which is not so excellent, in my opinion, although definitely controversial.

Here is a link to the first issue online:
http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=21807

If you don't wanna read it, the plot revolves around a woman named in Destiny in South Central L.A. who uses her natural genius to unite the street gangs and wage war on the LAPD. The entire issue is gangbangers killing cops under her command as the cops themselves struggle to accept something that was actually just a matter of time (according to the story, with it's typical "I-tried-to-warn-you-this-would-happen!' character).

Yeah.

[Archetype]

Wow, that artwork on Twilight Guardian sucks ass. I hate that it's so either or with art and writing now.

[freegood]

Dead week for comics

[Will-Kill]

Black Panther fucking ruled, Nova was a sure WTF ending, Avengers...why does Truma look like a chick? I didn't realize it was Trauma untill they called him Trauma....I have faith in Marvel they wont make Mutant Zero into a redhead mutant on the X-men, that would be too fucking stupid.

[Genius]

If Mutant Zero is Jean Grey, I'll shoot Joe Quesada. Which I already should have done over Brand New Day. But if he brings Jean back, his days should be over at Marvel. Three straight mega-events that have fizzled, wrecking amazing Spider-Man, killing Captain America, AND bringing back a character that's been dead at least four times? You lose your job.

[Will-Kill]

Who the fuck is the Red Hulk?

[PWalk]

Who the fuck is the Red Hulk?

We were talking in the office about this and we couldn't figure anyone else for it to be other than Thunderbolt Ross. It's a stretch but who knows anymore with Marvel.

[Genius]

Let me tell you, it is soooooo nice to see the X-Men breaking new ground after about 20 years of retreads on the same five or six stories. X-men Legacy was fantastic this week. Xavier is finally paying for being such a cocksucker all these years. And Cyclops isn't a bitch anymore. THAT only took sixty fucking years.

[GreyFox1382]

If Mutant Zero is Jean Grey, I'll shoot Joe Quesada. Which I already should have done over Brand New Day. But if he brings Jean back, his days should be over at Marvel. Three straight mega-events that have fizzled, wrecking amazing Spider-Man, killing Captain America, AND bringing back a character that's been dead at least four times? You lose your job.

I agree, there's no way she can be mutant zero. Though the whole death of Captain America was/is pretty good I think. Brubaker has been writing some really good stuff despite not having the real Captain America around. And I'm sorry to say but fuck Spider-Man, I've given up on that shit since One more day...I still can't believe they hit the reset button so fast right when he was headed in a new direction with the whole public identity thing.

[CAB]

Killing Cap i think has worked out pretty well so far, Bucky is doing well in Steve's shoes

Mutant Zero = Jean (very fucking bad idea, but I think/hope that they put the red hair there to throw people off; even Quesada is not that stupid)

Spider-Man is epic fail... they had so much going from Civil War, Back in Black (badass) and One More Day and they go back to shit from the 70's, 80's and 90's...

Secret Invasion is decent and the tie-in's are decent to really good. I actually like how they are giving us some background stuff using New and Mighty Avengers to show things from the Skrull and Fury's perspectives...

Genuis I'm with you, Cyclops is finally getting some love form the writers and he's become a damn good leader and the same goes for Emma Frost, they both work very well together. X-Force and Legacy are great books while Young X-Men is a complete waste of time

[Will-Kill]

Summers has broke his ''oh jean, whatever you say proffessor, no! stop wolverine'' mold. It's now a 'emma does'nt need to know
im the leader of the xmen now, no one fucks with the xmen''
its good.
Hank isn't so bad with his ''I'm going to kill my little emo bitch of a brother Vulcan.''

[Genius]

I'm ok with the killing Cap, as long as it serves a purpose. So far, it certainly looks like "shit, Civil War doesn't have an ending. Let's kill Cap!" And I know it was Brubaker's call, but still.

To me, Secret Invasion is just like Civil War and World War Hulk: great idea on paper, but rather ho-hum in execution. Spider-Woman, Hank Pym, and Black Bolt are the biggest reveals? That's a let down. Now, if it turns out that the only person who can tell if a Skrull is a Skrull, Reed Richards, is actually a Skrull himself, and therefore a few others are too? THAT would be awesome.

[Genius]

Unbelievable. After Loeb puts us through a terrible story, he isn't going to reveal who the Red Hulk is, but does tell us that it isn't Sampson or Ross?!?!?!? And that they were both in on it?!?!?!? What the fucking fuck?!?!?!?

[Bastard]

I’m actually enjoying the Thunderbolts and that crazy Osborn and his lunatic team, fighting the skrulls.

I'm a sucker for most stories dealing with the mafia, yakuza or any gangsters, so I enjoyed the first issue of Back to Brooklyn from Image.

[Dragon]

Quick question I'm hoping someone here can help me with. I bought the first 3 volumes of the re-released Onslaught crossover from Marvel. Was there anything of importance before X-Men #53 that was either collected or I should try to track down. The issue maybe where Juggernaut disappears and then comes back and says Onslaught......or Magneto removing Wolverine's adimantium from his bones. Thank in advance.

[Bastard]

Quick question I'm hoping someone here can help me with. I bought the first 3 volumes of the re-released Onslaught crossover from Marvel. Was there anything of importance before X-Men #53 that was either collected or I should try to track down. The issue maybe where Juggernaut disappears and then comes back and says Onslaught......or Magneto removing Wolverine's adimantium from his bones. Thank in advance.

Quite a lot of important things happened in the X-men title. Cyclops complained, Jean died, and Wolverine finally learned how to love, all while Jim Lee made Marvel enough money to buy solid gold toilets.

Actually, besides Wolverine losing his adamantium cherry, the only things I really remember from X-men 1-50, were the introduction of Omega Red, a pie fight between Gambit, Bishop and Rogue, and Jean and Scott tie the knot. If you are only concerned with the Onslaught story, The Herald of Onslaught story began in issue 50.

[Dragon]

So if I start at 50 I should pick up on all the clues stated in the beginning of the trades? They talk about Cable and Nate Grey as well as Wolverine minus adamantium and that he is now meditating with Elektra. Thanks much by the way.

[fuldstændigamok]

I wanted to talk about Strangers In Paradise and how much I think it sucks. Is anyone familiar?

Terry Moore is fantastic. If you have read all of these books in the last few days, you probably just fly over them. SIP is a masterpiece. Get into it. Dont give up after 2/3 issues. Its one of the best comic serie ever. By far. It has it all, great graphics, a bloody fantastic storyline, multi-layered plots, amazing characters, a depth that you will probably never find in any other comics.
Give it a real try and I swear that you will love it.

[fuldstændigamok]

And we should rename this thread the marvel crappy discussion thread. Jesus, people, is that all you read?

[Genius]

And we should rename this thread the marvel crappy discussion thread. Jesus, people, is that all you read?
I love to branch out. But the Veritgo stuff just hasn't been up to par lately, and Walking Dead has been delayed, and then delayed, and then delayed.

[fuldstændigamok]

I love to branch out. But the Veritgo stuff just hasn't been up to par lately, and Walking Dead has been delayed, and then delayed, and then delayed.

???? Have you tried Northlanders? Or Young Liars? Or Vinyl Underground? Not to mention that Fables, 100 Bullets, DMZ or Scalped are still going on. Brillantly, I must add.

[Genius]

I read 100 Bullets and DMZ, I just think they haven't been that great lately. I'd like to start reading Fables, but that is A LOT of issues to catch up on.

[fuldstændigamok]

I read 100 Bullets and DMZ, I just think they haven't been that great lately. I'd like to start reading Fables, but that is A LOT of issues to catch up on.

Actually, I stopped reading 100 bullets since issue 80 or so. Im just waiting for the serie to end, THEN Ill read it all over again from the start. But DMZ...Seriously? Its as brillant as ever.

[Dragon]

And we should rename this thread the marvel crappy discussion thread. Jesus, people, is that all you read?


Nah just reading something I missed in my younger days now. More of a DC guy and a fan of The Boys series myself.

[Bastard]

So if I start at 50 I should pick up on all the clues stated in the beginning of the trades? They talk about Cable and Nate Grey as well as Wolverine minus adamantium and that he is now meditating with Elektra. Thanks much by the way.

That should cover it. The following link will provide a listing of all comic appearances by the character Onslaught.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Onslaught_%28entity%29


And we should rename this thread the marvel crappy discussion thread. Jesus, people, is that all you read?
???? Have you tried Northlanders? Or Young Liars? Or Vinyl Underground? Not to mention that Fables, 100 Bullets, DMZ or Scalped are still going on. Brillantly, I must add.


I have always maintained that regardless of what publisher puts out a comic, if it has appealing art or an innovative story idea with good dialog, I’ll give it a chance. Granted that some Marvel and DC stories are recycled or tired but the characters will always be symbolic, recognizable, and have a popularity that brings in new readers to the comic format. Given the right artist, writer, or team, there will evolve a great story. I have always recognized the excellent books that Vertigo puts out. Hellblazer, Preacher, Transmetropolitan, and Y The Last Man will always be favorites. Similar to some people, if I miss some issues, I have a tendency to wait until numerous issues are released and then sit down and read the entire bunch. I follow Scalped, Young Liars, and DMZ as well. Besides the aforementioned vertigo titles, if you want something other than your standard superhero tale, I again would recommend the Criminal saga by Ed Brubaker and Sean Phillips. It has won Eisner awards and is simply superb stuff.

[Dragon]

What is the most recently released issue of Spawn ongoing?

[Genius]

If people keep thanking posters and scanners at the comics sites that I go to at the rate that they currently are, I'm going to have to track them down and kill them. I saw a page almost completely full of thank yous today, and NOTHING GOOD HAS EVEN BEEN POSTED. If that ever starts happening here, I'm going to start negging anyone who does it. You've been warned.

[Dragon]

If people keep thanking posters and scanners at the comics sites that I go to at the rate that they currently are, I'm going to have to track them down and kill them. I saw a page almost completely full of thank yous today, and NOTHING GOOD HAS EVEN BEEN POSTED. If that ever starts happening here, I'm going to start negging anyone who does it. You've been warned.

I feel ya on that. Same thing with me today. I think the right people are in place here that have explicitly stated the rules to people in the forums about what information and only that certain stuff should be there, no thank yous or any of that garbage.

[Archetype]

ty

[Genius]

Nightwing was fucking whacked out. And now that I've got a feel for what's going on in Batman RIP, it's not that bad of a story. But the peripherals are better.

[Bastard]

If people keep thanking posters and scanners at the comics sites that I go to at the rate that they currently are, I'm going to have to track them down and kill them. I saw a page almost completely full of thank yous today, and NOTHING GOOD HAS EVEN BEEN POSTED. If that ever starts happening here, I'm going to start negging anyone who does it. You've been warned.

That sounds like typical behavior at Komics Live.

[fuldstændigamok]

If people keep thanking posters and scanners at the comics sites that I go to at the rate that they currently are, I'm going to have to track them down and kill them. I saw a page almost completely full of thank yous today, and NOTHING GOOD HAS EVEN BEEN POSTED. If that ever starts happening here, I'm going to start negging anyone who does it. You've been warned.

That sounds like typical behavior at Komics Live.
That pisses me off to no end, but kotton doesnt allow me to ban them all. :(

[dw1984]

i am just curious does anyone understand the time line in the batman r.i.p. series? because the way i see it batman seems normal in the outsiders but has gone crazy in the batman series already. nightwing hops from new york to gotham.

[Will-Kill]

A Revoultion of LMD's on Avengers/Invaders......Interesting...

[Genius]

So...now could Our Lady Peace sing, "Superman's Dad is Dead"?

[Genius]

Fuld. Please tell the people at KomicsLive to shut the fuck up. Please. For the love of Charles de Gaulle, please.

[mxlplkt]

Thanks for the new scans!

[Snatch]

This is the first page of the comic that I'm developing with my friend. I do the writing/direction and he does the Art.

http://img182.imagevenue.com/loc179/th_71429_finished_page_1_122_179lo.jpg (http://img182.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=71429_finished_page_1_122_179lo.jpg)

Figured I would throw it up here, see what you guys thought.

[Bastard]

This is the first page of the comic that I'm developing with my friend. I do the writing/direction and he does the Art.

http://img182.imagevenue.com/loc179/th_71429_finished_page_1_122_179lo.jpg (http://img182.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=71429_finished_page_1_122_179lo.jpg)

Figured I would throw it up here, see what you guys thought.

I don't care for that hat and the buttons on the jacket are off. I would have made the cross silver to later use against a werewolf. There really isn't enough material to base an opinion on. Good luck with your book.

[Archetype]

Assuming the lettering is digital, separate the verse name from the actual quote, put it towards the bottom of the page, on the right corner. I'm goin in tomorrow to do the 24 hour comic day thing, you guys will probably see the horrible crap I end up with on Sunday morning.

[Genius]

Final Crisis is so damn good, I didn't want the issue to end.

[comicfan]

Yeah, I am definitely enjoying it. Kind of wish it came out more often.....

[GreyFox1382]

yeah, I'm defintley liking more than Secret Invasion, now that the story is starting to pick up and I'm getting used to the way the story is flowing. Needs more of the Flashes though.

[comicfan]

Don't get me wrong.. I also like where Secret Invasion is going. I think these two limited series have definitely been two of the better ones in recent years.

[Genius]

I haven't read today's SI issue yet, but basically it's been a yawner for me. No major reveals, no real surprises. The biggest thing yet has been Fury's return, but if it's just, "hey the Skrulls are invading, let's fight them and win!", then it's going to be the latest in a long line of super-hyped Marvel storylines that haven't really delivered, going back to House of M. Nothing at all happened in WWHulk, and Cap's death in Civil War was a forced afterthought along with the retconning of the great direction Spider-Man was headed in. If something major doesn't happen toward the end of SI, I'd say it's time for a major reset at Marvel, and maybe a shake up at the top.

[GreyFox1382]

yeah, the thing that bugs me about secret invasion is that it just ends up being a big fight, which planet hulk pretty much was too. Nothing really happened to the people behind Hulk's banishing after Hulk told the world what they did.

[Genius]

Well, as much as I complained about Secret Invasion earlier, I have to say that they certainly came through with an epic fight issue, with a cliffhanger that is at least relatively interesting. I still think Final Crisis is head and shoulders better, but SI is at least better than World War Hulk.

[ajrayner2]

Vector in the Star Wars comics are outstanding. Invasion is solid also. Looking forward to the crossover in Ultimates.

[GreyFox1382]

oh man, don't even start about Ultimates, I don't even count this 3rd volume as actually the Ultimates. I keep hoping that I'm just dreaming that what was easily one of the best books out there (despite the shitty shipping schedule) turned into something that doesn't even closely resemble volumes one and two.

[El Torpedo]

There were lots of problems with World War Hulk, which sucked, because Planet Hulk was one of the best storylines Marvels had in years, and now they're trying to do the exact same thing with Skaar? Same with Annihaltion, fantastic series with a pretty weak continuation in Conquest.

I loved the whole paranoia and marketing campaign for Secret Invasion and some of the issues have been fantastic while others have been mediocre at best. It felt like a really shitty denouement when Richards showed up with his skrull machine and EVERY single major hero was legit while EVERY imposter hero was a skrull. They had a chance to do some awesome things there, and even go back and do some House of M style flashback issues showing what happened to the characters replaced. I'm sure theyll do that with Spiderwoman but they really shouldn't have built up so much shit to only have Spiderwoman, Jarvis and Hank Pym as major skrulls.

This issue was pretty badass though. Good to see Hawkeye with a bow again, I don't know what they've been thinking with that shitty Ronin identity.

[Will-Kill]

I love the way the baby points to the Jarvis Skrull, Marvel Boy made a good enterance. All this is setting up for Iron Man to return and save everyone from the exploding Wasp.

[Genius]

They fucked with continuity in Ms. Marvel so much that I'm not going to treat it as part of the main Marvel universe. The Taliban? Personal computers? Chalk up another of my favorite books that I'll have to quit reading because of ridiculous retconning.

[Will-Kill]

Hence the con of a "sliding timescale." Just because the character was made 30 years ago doesn't mean its too hard to remake her history in a 10 year span...its easy!

The same thing with the Flash Thompson...

[El Torpedo]

Prettty sure Secret Invasion Spiderman just completely spoiled the ending of Secret Invasion. I knew I shouldn't have gone back to that side story, what a shit fest.

[Will-Kill]

Good guys win?

[Genius]

Prettty sure Secret Invasion Spiderman just completely spoiled the ending of Secret Invasion. I knew I shouldn't have gone back to that side story, what a shit fest.
The only Spider-Man I'm still reading is Ultimate Spider-Man, and with Gwen Stacy back alive and connected to the Carnage symbiotethings are getting very interesting in that book again.

[El Torpedo]

I could never get into any Ultimate titles. I tried a while ago but they just don't interest me. I read Ultimatum if I'm bored and theres nothing else to do but the whole Universe seems kind of mediocre to me.

[Will-Kill]

1. In the Thunderbolts you see Ms. Marvel at the Final Battle but theres no sign of her in any other issues.

2. I don't think the Queen is dead, the arrow seems to gone though her jaw so I'm going to assume she makes a final comeback at the end of it all.

3. The Vision left before Wasp went all Meltdown, so he can also save them all. (as well as Thing and Human Torch)

4. The Sentry is still missing, God he sucks.

[Dragon]

Question I'm hoping someone here could answer for me if possible. What is the issue number of this Hulk.

http://i11.tinypic.com/4knozup.jpg

Thanks!

[Bastard]

The Secret Invasion storyline is just like Civil War and WWH. It has a few good moments but it just comes up short. I believe that Secret Invasion jumped the shark back when they introduced the Skrull Puppy.

At least in November the next chapter of the old man Logan story is due out.

[dw1984]

4. The Sentry is still missing, God he sucks.


yeah he definitely sucks. all he does is whine.

[comicfan]

Let's hope the Sentry is a skrull and will get wiped out at the end of the series...

[El Torpedo]

They SHOULD have killed him off in World War Hulk.

[Genius]

I'd say at this point, since he isn't around, the Sentry is definitely a Skrull. They might be able to save the ending yet if he is. The expansion of his character definitely coincides with when Bendis and Reed say they started planning SI, so it fits. Now, if they only have the balls to do it and make it stick, without the real Sentry coming back to save the day...

[CAB]

but if the Sentry is a Skrull why the hell do they need to infiltrate any of the groups? they could just sic him on anyone seeing as he is capable to beating anyone they can throw at him.

plus it was either in the tie-in Mighty or New Avengers issues that the Skrulls were planning on how to deal with him. i'll go back and see if i can find the issue

[Genius]

Yeah, I remember that. I'm just hoping they included it to throw everyone off the scent.

[El Torpedo]

Seems like the next big thing after Secret Invasion for Marvel is going to be called Dark Reign. Skrulls win? Would that work?

[Genius]

I hope the heroes win, but they leave the world destroyed for once, instead of cleaning everything up. Then someone sweeps in to fill the power vacuum. Seriously, who cleaned up and rebuilt all the shit after WWHulk? In Marvel continuity, that happened like three weeks ago. I hate it when they do that kind of shit.

[El Torpedo]

It also looks like they're setting up Norman Osborn to replace Tony at Shield which could be interesting and explain the title.

New York was supposed to be completely destroyed in World War Hulk, that was kind of ridiculous

[freegood]

Scarlett Witch wished away that abomination of a crossover.

[Will-Kill]

Dark Reign

Dark Reign will deal with the aftermath of Secret Invasion, as described by Bendis: "something pretty bad happens in Secret Invasion to members of Mighty Avengers. And I did one more issue to deal with that on an emotional level. And that's Mighty Avengers #20. It also sets up Dark Avengers"[33] At the same time he will also be releasing a one-shot "Secret Invasion: Dark Reign Special" with artist Alex Maleev, which will "bookend" the series.[33] Marvel is keeping nearly all details about Dark Reign classified until the conclusion of Secret Invasion, as evidenced on their December 2008 solicitations list, however Bendis and Mike Deodato have been confirmed as the writer and artist for the upcoming Dark Avengers ongoing series.

According to the December and January solicitations on www.marvel.com the current Dark Reign list is;
Avengers: The Initiative #20-21
Dark Avengers #1
Dark Reign: New Nation #1
Deadpool #6
Invincible Iron Man #8-9
Mighty Avengers #21-22
Ms Marvel #34-35
New Avengers #48-49
Punisher #1 (Punisher: War Journal has been replaced)
Thunderbolts #128
Uncanny X-Men Annual #2
War Machine #1-2


Perhaps some skrulls are still on Earth and still pulling the strings? Or hopefully they get rid some people?

[Genius]

Nice that they are keeping it in regular books, instead of doing all those limited series. When exactly is X-Men SI supposed to be taking place, when compare to the regular X-Men books? It's mind-boggling. And unnecessary.

[Genius]

The stuff happening with Green Lantern right now is extremely confusing and extremely awesome. It might actually end up being better than the Sinestro Corps War.

Wolverine is delayed again for a couple more weeks. A Steve McNiven book delayed? NO WAI!!!

Right now, DC 9/10, Marvel 3/10

[Archetype]

Dammit, I thought the new Joker GN came out today. Now it's Nov. 4th.

[Genius]

Ugh. They're trying (and failing miserably) to turn Trinity into the House of M. No one will ever be able to reproduce one of my all time favorite storylines.

DC 8/10

[Will-Kill]

About time they bring out the Red and Blue Laterns....I can only assume the blue guy wants Sinstero alive to fight the Black Lanterns. But why would Scarface sell out his people?
Nova: Good
Thor: Really Good
X-Men is interesting....

[Dragon]

Dammit, I thought the new Joker GN came out today. Now it's Nov. 4th.


It's been posted in the File Sharing Comics Forum.

[Archetype]

It's been posted in the File Sharing Comics Forum.
Mother of G-O-D...

[Genius]

I'm not normally a Superman fan, but the Braniac story that just wrapped up and led into New Krypton was pretty good, and the last frame of this week's issue was a huge surprise out of left field that literally made me yell out, "OH SHIT!"

[GreyFox1382]

does the brainiac story only run in action comics? I've been meaning to get caught up and was hoping someone would post the storyline in the file sharing section.

[Archetype]

Hmm, this Joker GN kinda sucks. The inker is terrible, and they really should've gotten Dave Stewart back for the colours.

[Genius]

does the brainiac story only run in action comics? I've been meaning to get caught up and was hoping someone would post the storyline in the file sharing section.
The Brainiac Story ran in Action Comics 866-870. It then moved into the current story, which started in Superman: New Krypton and continued in Superman 681, so I'm guessing it's a full blown crossover. This is the biggest shit that's happened to Supes in years, and might fully refresh the character. Leave it to Geoff Johns to flat out revitalize a franchise and do it in a way that leaves the integrity of the character intact. I'm just about convinced that he should write every Big 2 comic that comes out, period. The guy is just in another league, head and shoulders better than everyone else.

[Bastard]

I'm not normally a Superman fan, but the Braniac story that just wrapped up and led into New Krypton was pretty good, and the last frame of this week's issue was a huge surprise out of left field that literally made me yell out, "OH SHIT!"

I have to admit that was a good story. I usually find Superman boring and repetitive but I enjoyed that brainiac storyline.

Nice ending but is Doomsday really a threat to an entire group of Kryptonians. Still, a dramatic appearance and it will be interesting to see how it is played out.

[GreyFox1382]

The Brainiac Story ran in Action Comics 866-870. It then moved into the current story, which started in Superman: New Krypton and continued in Superman 681, so I'm guessing it's a full blown crossover. This is the biggest shit that's happened to Supes in years, and might fully refresh the character. Leave it to Geoff Johns to flat out revitalize a franchise and do it in a way that leaves the integrity of the character intact. I'm just about convinced that he should write every Big 2 comic that comes out, period. The guy is just in another league, head and shoulders better than everyone else.

Cool, I'll look it up. I totally agree with Johns, the guy is awesome and I'm totally looking forward to him being back on Flash (hoping Wally still gets a major role!) with Rebirth. Hopefully he stays on the main series for at least a year to get things going again, the series has never been the same since he left.

From at article in speeforce.org:

Evidently, he or she has forgotten that the Flash has had a remarkably consistent writing credit (http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/writers.html) over the years, including the 1990s. William Messner-Loebs wrote the book for four years from 1988–1992. Mark Waid* took over in 1992 and stayed on until 2000 (Brian Augustyn joining him halfway through), with a one-year break during which he wrote JLA: Year One and Grant Morrison and Mark Millar filled in. In fact, if you count the Morrison/Millar run as a main creative team, there’s a grand total of only five issues by fill-in writers** from #1 to #225 (the end of Geoff Johns’ run).

Also, Blackest Night looks like its gonna be crazy!

[El Torpedo]

Ultimatum seems pretty cool

[comicfan]

I am not too sure... Marvel has this way of starting off big and then having a huge let down at the end (i.e. Invasion, World War Hulk etc etc).

[El Torpedo]

Yea but the (one) good thing about the Ultimate universe is that they don't seem to care about it too much and see that they need to do something to it. Allowing them the space to go ahead and make much bigger problems and challenges, or for instance actually killing half the X-Men instead of promising something big will happen.

[freegood]

Joe the Farmer? Were the Cable writers trying to make a political funny?

[El Torpedo]

Fuck I love Walking Dead

[Genius]

Agreed, solid new direction for Walking Dead. The story has plodded for the past couple of issues, but now it should get its structure back.

[El Torpedo]

I think it kind of needed that little period of gestation though after all the shit that went down.

Decent Wolverine issue.. I feel like this should have been released all at once, each issue seems so short and it's basically out of continuity and then you have to wait another month. Marvel can say whatever they want, but anything dealing with a set future is not in continuity.

[Bastard]

Joe the Farmer? Were the Cable writers trying to make a political funny?

Yeah. They also made the villains cockroaches, so of course it was dealing with politicians.

[Genius]

I think it kind of needed that little period of gestation though after all the shit that went down.

Decent Wolverine issue.. I feel like this should have been released all at once, each issue seems so short and it's basically out of continuity and then you have to wait another month. Marvel can say whatever they want, but anything dealing with a set future is not in continuity.
It's a great story, and the artwork is fantastic. I just wish McNiven could draw...just...a...little...bit...fast...er. Four months per issue is ridiculous. You're a comic artist. What the fuck else do you have to do?!?!?

[Genius]

Geoff Johns, Alex Ross, and Peter Tomasi working together on the JSA Kingdom Come story is like having Ruth, DiMaggio, and Mantle in the same outfield.

[El Torpedo]

I've been meaning to check out a bunch of Johns' work but I'm so unfamiliar with the DC Universe that it's hard to just jump in. What are some of his better stuff that would be good for somebody just coming into the DCverse?

[Genius]

They're both big commitments, but I'd say his best work is in 52 and the Sinestro Corps War. And also in Infinite Crisis. I suppose the problem with all of these is that they draw a lot from DC Universe history, so you might need Wikipedia handy to get through them, but I'd say they're all worth it.

[bixby]

The first issue of Kevin Smith's new Batman mini series is such a mixed bag it's ridiculous. Everyone but Batman and Joker are written pretty well, but that still doesn't excuse just how ham-fisted the writing is for those two particular characters. Batman's internal monologue reads like shitty fan fiction (he even drops the cliche "my parents are ddddeeeaaadddd" shtick in there) and Joker acts like Jason Mewes in clown make up.

Smith keeps getting held back by his obsession with sex jokes, and they're really fucking out of place in this book. If he would just get over those, then the book would improve a lot.

[Bastard]

The first issue of Kevin Smith's new Batman mini series is such a mixed bag it's ridiculous. Everyone but Batman and Joker are written pretty well, but that still doesn't excuse just how ham-fisted the writing is for those two particular characters. Batman's internal monologue reads like shitty fan fiction (he even drops the cliche "my parents are ddddeeeaaadddd" shtick in there) and Joker acts like Jason Mewes in clown make up.

Smith keeps getting held back by his obsession with sex jokes, and they're really fucking out of place in this book. If he would just get over those, then the book would improve a lot.


I agree and thought his version of the Joker was especially wrong. The Joker isn’t a faggot or primarily a comedian. He is insane. I’m also not sure about the new character that keeps repeating everything. We’ll see where he goes with it.

[El Torpedo]

Dark Avengers #1 Cover
http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/931/931416/dark-avengers-20081118033045585.jpg

Huh.

[Genius]

Question:

Before his run is done, can Jeph Loeb get every character in the history of the Marvel Universe into Hulk?

Trick Question! He already has!

[El Torpedo]

Haha, I can't believe how offensively bad Hulk has been, they finally do some great shit with Planet Hulk just to fizzle into World War Hulk and then completely abandon all of the development they had put into the character, bring in a new "Rulk" (worst name ever?) and think they can just throw a million cameos and call it storytelling. Then Loeb throws in Joe Fixit for about half an issue thinking that is "cool", thank god I don't pay for Hulk issues.

[Genius]

In other news, The Kingdom Come/Gog/Magog story in JSA continues to be breathtakingly outstanding/awesome/the shit.

[Bastard]

The latest issue of the Walking Dead was interesting. Robert Kirkman certainly enjoys killing off established characters. That’s part of the book’s appeal though, knowing that no character is safe.

[El Torpedo]

Meh, to be honest that character was never really interesting to me. Hershell was the interesting character out of that family, and Glenn was always a better character so it will be interesting to see where Kirkman takes him now. Apparently theres some pretty dark shit coming up if an interview with IGN is to be believed

[Nature's Folly]

Link to the kirkman interview...http://comics.ign.com/articles/933/933940p1.html

Also this bit of the interview makes me think some of the kids are getting axed...

IGN Comics: You've been notoriously ruthless about killing characters off in a shocking manner, and I don't think there's been a more ruthless or shocking death in this series than the death of Lori and Judith. How hard was it to kill them off?

Kirkman: I think I arrived at the decision to kill them before that kid was even born. It was really early on that I knew she was going to die, and it was just a matter of getting there. I guess it wasn't too difficult, because I had been writing her for two or three years, and knew she was going to die at some point. Tyrese also – he died a couple issues before Lori, and his death was planned. But his was worse, I think, because it was dragged out in the story a little bit more, so that one was pretty tough on me. I just wrote a scene that I won't talk about in issue #57 which was a pretty rough scene.

I was actually talking to Charlie on the phone about how uncomfortable I get sometimes while writing some of the stuff that happens to these people. And he laughed, because he said that people who read these books probably think we're sadistic, crazy people to come up with all this stuff that happens. But we're both family men. Charlie has like seventeen kids or something, and I've got one. We both have wives and families, and this stuff affects us too. That's how I know the book is on an okay path, when I'm writing scenes that make me cringe a little bit, and think to myself how I don't really want to see how this panel turns out. But keep a lookout for issue #57. It's serious stuff.

[El Torpedo]

I think Carl is the only character safe from death really, although I think it'd be pretty weak to kill off Rick. He would have to introduce new characters for a long time and have them be as likeable and developed as Rick in order to do so, I kind of had the feeling thats what he was doing with Tyreese before those fateful five panels especially with his whole "no one is safe" tagline. His goal does seem to be a cast of rotating characters dealing with the new world, somewhere in that interview he says something like there will never be only new characters, but that doesnt mean old characters are safe.

[Genius]

I think that he is gradually leading up to Rick's death. He's making him more and more unstable, with the whole phone thing, and he keeps saying he doesn't want responsibility. This makes the readers less sympathetic and attached to him, and therefore easier to kill. Not that that has mattered before. But before he offs him, he HAS to establish some of these characters. The people we have now just won't cut it.

[El Torpedo]

Well, Secret Invasion is done. That kind of went out with a whimper..

Way to introduce a major threat as a cliffhanger to resolve it in the first panel with the only consequence being the "death" of the Wasp. If nobody saw the Osborn reveal coming then they need to learn how to read. I feel the whole "upper tier" conspiracy thing is pretty played out and ran its course in Illuminati, now we're focusing on a new one that barely makes sense. Emma Frost? The Hood? i didn't realize banding together a group of villains suddenly made you a world power. Mockinbird... why? Why did the Skrulls even have her if she had been inactive for however many years of the Marvel U, what benefit did she bring to the Skrulls? And was that Elvis? I'm not going to say I wasn''t entertained by the series but this issue really felt like a letdown, especially considering a large amount of released comics last week basically revealed everything that happened aside from the Wasps death and the last page group "new illuminatti". Whatever.

[Will-Kill]

is....is...that it?
Mockingbird is back.Okay.....
Looks like Stark is back with his friends Jack Daniels and José Cuervo
White Queen evil again? what a shock? Or she could just be a mole.

[El Torpedo]

I don't think they'll have her go evil again, that would be a really dumb and nonsensical regression for the character. I think it's just an Illuminati type thing, representatives of Latveria, Atlantis, Mutants, Asgardians, and ..Criminals?


Shit could get interesting for Luke Cage... I guess?

[Will-Kill]

Look at the entry on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Invasion Last sentence.

Norman then heads to Avengers Tower to address his new Cabal: Dr. Doom, Emma Frost, Loki, Namor and The Hood. The last thing shown is Stan Lee looking dead center camera and laughing at all the fools that thought this event would be the one that was different. Enjoy, suckers...

[Genius]

Definitely an "Evil Illuminati". Emma Frost as a villain now would be stupid. Secret Invasion was a letdown, but not as big a letdown as WWHulk. Marvel could really use time without a mega-huge event going on. Give us some downtime to lead into the next catastrophe.

[comicfan]

Well that was as disappointing as I had expected. No one of real importance died. And all they brought back was 1 low level character. Never really expected much as marvel just does not know how to shake the status quo without ruining something in return.

[El Torpedo]

The last thing Marvels done thats stayed significant and interesting has been the end of House of M. Hopefully Dark Reign at least has some cool things happen, but I'm getting pretty disillusioned with Marvel at the moment.

[comicfan]

I really do not expect much from Dark Reign. I am just going to switch to DC and be done with that... well maybe not. I am a sucker for marvel.

[Will-Kill]

So who will win?
Dark Reign or Blackest Night?

I'm going for Blackest Night.

[freegood]

I thought that was the replacement evil white queen and not emma frost.

struggling to care...

[El Torpedo]

Seems like the only thing Marvel can do now are concepts. Oh, the Hulks going to come back and fuck everyone up and its going to be awesome! The Skrulls are everywhere and nobody knows whos who! Norman Osborn is president of teh world!

[Archetype]

You're just realizing this now?

[El Torpedo]

I just always get suckered in :(

[Will-Kill]

Well....

Universal War of Laterners > Fight the Dark Lord Osborn

[CAB]

At least they didnt bring back Steve Rogers from the dead... another letdown. Civil War, WWH and now Secret Invasion and not one single important character has died 'cept for Cap sho didnt even die during the event.

So long as Geoff Johns writes for GL, JSA and others, I'll be sticking to my DC books...

[Genius]

I never thought I'd say this, but JSA is the best book in the world right now. It relies so heavily on the DC ethos that it might not be that enjoyable to the average reader, but if you know your history, it's fantastic.

DC 10, Marvel 2.

[Bastard]

So, now Marvel is doing a storyline based on an evil group of characters working together to defeat their foes and attain power while secretly conspiring against one another. Yeah, I liked that idea back when Marvel tried it 18 years ago and called it Acts of Vengeance.

[El Torpedo]

Crossed has some potential, although it seems to rely a bit too much on trying to be ultraviolent in lieu of legit storytelling. I'm a sucker for postapocalyptic shit though, so I'll keep checking it out

[dadaelus]

Crossed has some potential, although it seems to rely a bit too much on trying to be ultraviolent in lieu of legit storytelling. I'm a sucker for postapocalyptic shit though, so I'll keep checking it out

I just went through the last one. I'm ready for some actual plot movement other than watching people try to stay alive.

[Will-Kill]

Well Dark Reign is interesting, Namor looks like a bloated bum and Loki looks like a worn out whore.

[CAB]

Final Crisis sucks donkey dick. that is all.

[Will-Kill]

Final Crisis sucks donkey dick. that is all.

I can't that for sure since I'm not sure whats going on. Darkseid is back and taking over the world...but I thought Libra was doing that?

Some Covers I found


http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/search.php?show_result=1&page=1

Tried to link the covers but they didn't work, so you can just see them yourself.

[CAB]

as far as i can tell, Libra works for Darkseid and is his prophet or some shit like that.

bottomline, the comic is so fuckign disjointed, its hard to follow and all the characters you want to see like Supes, Bats and WW are not even major players.

[Whiffleball]

Well Dark Reign is interesting, Namor looks like a bloated bum and Loki looks like a worn out whore.

Secret Invasion was indeed rather disappointing. The Skrulls never showed much depth... Religious zealots out to set up a global caliphate... uh, I mean galactic theocracy? Wonder where that came from? In the end all it takes is a ray gun and an epic battle to save the world. And, rather conveniently, the spaceship that just happened to be holding the heroes replaced with Skrulls crash lands safely where the battle had been.

As has been said, Mockingbird coming back... Wasp dying... Jessica Jones' & Luke Cage's baby being kidnapped... Not stuff I really care about.

As for the Dark Illuminati and Dark Reign... Well, I guess they had to undo the superhero registration somehow. But in one issue, Osborn somehow becomes the media darling (never mind the other heroes who have saved the world multiple times, rather than being in the right place at the right time), is given the keys to SHIELD and all the rest and Tony Stark becomes a fugitive.

The art in the Dark Reign one-shot was terrible. That being said, it is sort of interesting... You'd think that getting a bunch of supervillains together is doomed because it's failed EVERY TIME IT'S BEEN TRIED but at least they acknowledge that in the issue itself. Still, in terms of assembling a bunch of team players, Norman picked the worst possible people: the egotistical king of Atlantis, the egotistical ruler of Latveria, a crazy god of chaos and a reformed villainness who is a member of a superhero team who she can easily tattle to! The only one who seems a good choice is The Hood, and he's got the exact same set-up going on, but on a smaller and thus more manageable scale.

as far as i can tell, Libra works for Darkseid and is his prophet or some shit like that.

bottomline, the comic is so fuckign disjointed, its hard to follow and all the characters you want to see like Supes, Bats and WW are not even major players.

Libra was a nobody from a short story arc in the 1970s. He assembled a team of other nobodies but just used them to steal 50% of the powers of all the JLA members. Instead of becoming a god like he planned, he turned into energy and sort of became one with the universe.

Morrison needed an obscure villain to recruit all the villains into his terrorist organization and he went with Libra. And naturally there is going to be a relation between Libra's brush with godhood in his earlier appearance and the New Gods coming back in the creation of the Fifth World.

Final Crisis isn't the most coherent series out there, of course, but this is Grant Morrison getting all metaphysical as always. He's not taking you by the hand and leading you from A to B to C. He's basically picking a bunch of important events and linking them together. With Darkseid's return apparently fucking up time in a big way, it's even more confusing. Whereas Secret Invasion moved rather slowly, Morrison has taken us rapidly into this terrible future where the Anti-Life equation has taken over everything and Darkseid has won.

I kind of find it refreshing that the focus isn't entirely on Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman. Don't they always get the spotlight? It's refreshing to see the Japanese superheroes, Frankenstein from SHADE, Talky Tawny and all the rest getting some panel time. Yes, again, it can be confusing, since we don't instantly recognize these guys or care about them like we do with Supes or Bats.

I highly suggest reading the tie-ins along with the main series (especially Revelations and Superman Beyond) if you're serious about trying to see what's going on. You'll probably still need to use Wikipedia. The upside is that the work Johns and Rucka are doing are actually good, and it's kind of nice where tie-ins contain more than just "Hero X battles Skrulls for a few issues, then nothing!" :P

[CAB]

I've been reading all the tie ins and all that stuff but bottomline, Morrison loves to use characters (Japanese Heroes who by the way appear in max 2 panels in each issue) and angles (Seven Soldiers & Dark Side Club)... and while it may be great, I don't believe that it is necessary for the whole DC Universe to be tied to it. It is ridiculously difficult to follow and so far I still don't give a crap about any of the newer characters. I also knew about Libra (looked him up after hearing about him on Newsrama prior to the series starting) and maybe once he is revealed, we'll find out how he fits into all of this. Revelations has been decent although the art has been crap in it.

I don't mind doing stuff differently (which is why i loved 52) but FC is too disjointed to read and enjoy. He has entirely too many different things going on and none of it makes sense. At least show more of each storyline not 3 to 4 pages of ambiguous crap each issue. I do like that Morrison is moving quickly but so far he has shown nothing but the Heroes as resistance fighters with Darkseid still not completely reformed in Turpin's body.

DC has iconic heroes (i believe more so than Marvel) and I believe that while they don't have to always save the day, they should be more than bit characters in an epic event such as FC. Tell me you didn't get a tingle when the New Cap, Thor and Iron Man with Fury were standing shoulder to shoulder in the last couple of SI issues. I did...

[conkling]

Wow. I just read all nine pages of comments so I can comment.

Final Crisis-- it's not the best, and I'm not digging it. Which is odd, since I love Grant Morrison. There are definitely touches, but this doesn't really make a lot of sense in the face of Death Of The New Gods, really. I'm curious to see where this goes with Kammandi, though.

Secret Invasion: All build up-- I mean, I think this is the longest set up in Marvel History this side of a child Madeline Pryor in Avengers Annual 10. I just don't see how Norman Osborn comes out smelling like a rose.

Dark Reign: Why does Namor look like Phil Collins? Last I checked, isn't he supposed to be the most handsome guy in Marvel this side of Starfox? I'm still curious about where this is going but the art turned me off.

Walking Dead: I never read the letters page cause Kirkman tends to talk too much. I just wanna see it when it happens. The going to Washington thing seems interesting-- I think HBO or Showtime should make this into a series. It would be great as a tv show. Soap opera in Zombie-town.

Invincible: I dig Kirkman's other book, too. It's a fun read.

Booster Gold: This title is turning out to be fun-- BG was always a twit, but the idea that that's his cover so he can police time is fun.

By the way, anyone see the Brave And The Bold cartoon? I have major mixed feelings about it.

[Will-Kill]

Poor Crusader, help save the world and gets a bullet in the head for his troubles.

[Genius]

It only took Matt Fraction eight issues to change Tony Stark from the most hated man in the Marvel Universe to the most interesting. I wasn't reading Invincible Iron Man because it debuted right when the movie came out, so I figured it was just window dressing. But the writing is great, the Salvador Larroca art is above-average and sometimes great (especially his making Maria Hill look like Jessica Alba), and this Stark manhunt is going to be great for a long while. Hopefully Marvel just steps back from the Super-Mega event for about six months, lets this Dark Reign deal play out without a ton of fanfare, and we see what happens.

[CAB]

yea Fraction is a great writer. His work on the Order was pretty good too.

[Bastard]

I loved the latest issue of the Walking Dead. Last issue had me hoping that Maggie wasn’t gone because I believe that Maggie and Glenn are more interesting as a team. I’m especially glad that Rick appears to be getting his shit together and that he’s going to stop being such an unsure, grief stricken, pussy. I’m digging the whole rivalry between Rick and the new guy Abraham. I hope it’s developed for more than just a few issues.

[dw1984]

By the way, anyone see the Brave And The Bold cartoon? I have major mixed feelings about it.


yeah i have seen all of them thus far and the show seems to be set up to be campy/cheesy, but i like batman so i deal with it.

[Whiffleball]

Dark Reign: Why does Namor look like Phil Collins? Last I checked, isn't he supposed to be the most handsome guy in Marvel this side of Starfox? I'm still curious about where this is going but the art turned me off.

at first I was like http://i41.tinypic.com/2hxy4ye.jpg

then I was like http://i39.tinypic.com/2dqj5uo.jpg

[Dragon]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet but is there any possibility that the Nightwing in New Krypton could be Superboy (Kon-El)? Just re-reading it now and the first time we see them he uses the tactile-telekinesis Superboy has. Thoughts??

[CAB]

i thought so when i first read it but I dismissed it considering that he hasnt gone after Wonder Girl (lover) or Robin (best friend). maybe they are gonna pull the lost memory thing but it seems Superman knows who he is... i'm guessing he's probably an old character from the 70's or 80's they've revamped

[Dragon]

I'm in the process of downloading all the issues of Action and Superman from their respective beginnings but don't think I will have them all read before the big reveal for these characters. I hope its done well and in line with the way these story lines have been lately. The rejuvenation of the Superman line has been great.

[Genius]

You're going to read all of Action and Superman? Hope you aren't busy for about two months.

[Dragon]

Not all at once.......downloading them and burning them to a disc so I can read when I please but not have the space taken up on my computer.

[Dragon]

just found this. could it be a few keys as to who takes over? Or just more questions?

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/shamon85/BFTC_NYCC-Spread_comp.jpg

[Will-Kill]

so mutant zero was a old Daredevil foe... caught me by surprise, Tigra has a freak inside of her and Clor is back (kinda).

Venom Rex?

[Bastard]

I’m still digging the current superman storyline.
I had mixed feelings over the latest Wolverine issue. At first I thought the berserker rage was cool but after thinking about it, the story just didn’t set well. I still like the whole storyline but I prefer my Wolverine less emo.

Mysterio is a horrible villain and no way could wolverine kill the entire X-men team.

[CAB]

Yeah, the New Krypton storyline has been pretty good and i'm looking forward to how it ends... and I think i've already posted this here but I will say again that Green Lantern is currently the best written book out there. Geoff Johns (who writes both books) could write about turds and still make you look forward to the next issue... IMO, he's easily the best writer in comics today.

[Genius]

This thread could be renamed Geoff Johns discussion and I would probably check it about seventy times a day.

[Will-Kill]

As I have said before, Blackest Night > Dark Reign, Jesus says so..Allah isn't so sure but hes bound to come around.

Machine Man is dam funny.

Blue Laterns are not too bad..

[Bastard]

I’m enjoying the Hush storyline by Paul Dini. I think it’s far better than the Batman book at this time. Add Detective Comics with the current Superman storyline and The Green Lantern saga and DC is producing some quality books while Marvel lags behind.

[Genius]

Well, no one will ever question the size of Grant Morrison's testicles. Final Crisis is still a bit shaky, but damn if the issue 6 wasn't a roller-coaster. I don't know if it's great, or if I'm going to want to break something at the end. Part of me hopes it doesn't turn into some Onslaught/Heroes Reborn bullshit, but if he really killed Batman, really this timeI'm going to be pissed off as all Hell.

[Will-Kill]

Now Now, just because its a charred corpse doesn't really mean hes dead.
but he died saving the world/universe/mutliverse/multiearth/existence or some shit, I suppose its the way to go.

[Genius]

I just hope Morrison has a plan in place for bringing him back. You know SOMEONE will bring him back, and unless the writer that kills him off does it, it will seem disconnected and stupid.

And as far as deaths of main characters go, Ed Brubaker did a fantastic job with the story surrounding Captain America's death, and I still am pissed about it. It's just hard to kill off a central comic character in a a fulfilling way.

[CAB]

well i remember reading that Darkseid's Omega Powers allow him to destroy and recreate the object he aims at (or something to that effect) so i can see Darkseid surviving and having to make a deal to bring back Bats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkseid (look under Powers and Abilites)

Also, remember that blob thing that they were trying to use Bat's memories/skill to create an army and helped him escape from the Darkseid's guys? i bet that it evolves over time to become Bruce Wayne or some shit like that.

Still i'm not too mad considering how Batman went in the end. It was pretty badass considering he took out Darkseid...

[GreyFox1382]

Where were the Flash's at? Weren't they headed for Darkseid or were they just trying to outrun the black racer?

[Will-Kill]

Where were the Flash's at? Weren't they headed for Darkseid or were they just trying to outrun the black racer?

I think both, they need to escape the black racer before they get to Darkseid.

[comicfan]

Alright... I have to ask. Who is the black racer? I do not recall his character at all.

[GreyFox1382]

the Black Racer is the the version of Death for the New Gods I think...the Flashes also sorta have a speedster version of Death that comes for them when they're about to die. Seems like Johns is trying to say that the Black Racer is the same as the Black Flash.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Racer

[Bastard]

I just hope Morrison has a plan in place for bringing him back. You know SOMEONE will bring him back, and unless the writer that kills him off does it, it will seem disconnected and stupid.

I also hope that it’s just a clever ruse and that they don’t just use that god weapon/miracle machine to wish Batman back into existence.

[Archetype]

Remember back when Morrison killed off Magneto, and had him come back as Xorn? Followed by Marvel crapping all over everything Morrison put together by having Xorn being an actual character? He's got a plan.

[Genius]

Remember back when Morrison killed off Magneto, and had him come back as Xorn? Followed by Marvel crapping all over everything Morrison put together by having Xorn being an actual character? He's got a plan.
If Dan Dididiiodio let's anything close to that happen with Batman, I'll rip his face off and smear the remnants with gasoline and tartar sauce.

[Archetype]

I think DC has a bit more respect for Morrison than Marvel did. I mean, they let him publish The Filth.

[Will-Kill]

From Wikipedia....Could be wrong

As Darkseid dies he fires the Omega Sanction (which traps its victim's soul in a series of alternate lives, each worse than the one before it), from his eyes and apparently kills Batman.

I think this means saving Batman in the Multiverse

then again, Batman as a Black Lantern=Orgasmicly Awesome...depending if Black Lanterns have their Knowledge when they were alive and Brainwashed to be bad.

[Genius]

Batman as a Black Lantern could potentially be the coolest thing in comics in the last decade.

[Will-Kill]

The Return of Styrfe (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/010919-Messiah-War-Yost.html)

[El Torpedo]

I was never a big fan of Spiderman. His powers were unique and cool, and he managed to get some good rogues, but this was all before I became interested in Peter Parker or any other costumed hero. I always wanted to fall in love with the character, and I absolutely would have if I had gotten into comics earlier, but at the time I did he was more of an omnipotent always present character, essential to significant stories in sales and recognition but not necessarily in legitimate evolution.

Finally I find the means to support my love for comics on a weekly basis, every incoming issue became immediately available. I could pay attention to characters like Spiderman finally, maybe finally get into him and not understand the evolutions and back stories behind the character, but finally connect with them.

I`m finally getting Parker and his motives, and then they throw a curve ball I wasn`t ready for and completely change everything. But it wasn`t really a curve ball, it was more of a home run, a necessary evolution of the character. Finally, after near 40 years, Spiderman had found a new direction to his character that wasnt shocking or necessarily game changing, but natural, smart, and most importantly, interesting.

But fuck that. Let`s rehash to what made the character popular when he was a fledgling. Fuck years of history and advancement. Fuck anything! Clearly the most important part of the character is keeping his 90 year old Aunt healthy and in play so let`s rehash the characters advancements and throw in some retarded lettering.

I lost where I was going with nthis rant.

Basically, fuck Spidermand. Every once in a while I decide to check out an ASM issue and when I do I basically get slapped in the face. I would rather the whole Ultimate line than the way 616 Spidermand is going right now.

[Genius]

I quit reading ASM about a year ago and haven't looked back. I don't even think of Spider-Man as existing in the Marvel Universe anymore. Is that what they were after with this? I actually like the character, but now if he shows up in any of the big storylines, I just ignore him and hope he goes away. That is AWFUL.

[CAB]

anyone read GL #37 yet? I have no idea where Johns is going with this....

[Will-Kill]

Yea Spiderman still a whiny shit, he needs to get a women, stay away from Aunt May and stop bitching about life and man the fuck up.

I'm really hoping the Specter doesn't need to intervine again to save Jordan...the whole Earth Lantern going bad is already been done a few times, enough with the fall from grace to redemption cliche. I suppose its a setup for Jordan to get back to Green and along the road become Leader of the Blue Lanterns.

Osborn is the Iron Patroit....I really should'nt be surprised.

[dw1984]

any thoughts on who should pick up batman's mantle?