What makes a woman physically attractive? Does the media accurately reflect this?

[taters]

I recently had a conversation with a friend of mine about this. She reads a lot of magazines (people, US, Maxim, Cosmo, etc), and made a comment how she doesnt understand why the women those magazines purport to be 'attractive' are the ones with small boobs, super skinny, and short. Also, usually they have fake blond hair thats usually in the current popular 'style'. The same for what gets designated as 'attractive' on television. Skinny, blond, short, shapeless, fake breasted women. We even talked about how its prevelent in softcore (and I think more 'hardcore') adult magazines, like playboy, penthouse, and 'mainstream' (non-internet reality based) pornography vendors.

We talked about it, and I was of the mind that those magazines are written by people who dont know what attractiveness is. I dont personally find women with my body shape when I was 12 +boobs and blond hair attractive. But then the question of why came up.

She was of the conclusion that it was because women judge women harsher, particularly those who they see would otherwise gain more attention or would be naturally seen as more attractive to the opposite sex, as a sort of ingrained biological competitive system. And women are usually the commentators on attractiveness (watch ten minutes of anything on E or daytime tv shows, the quote the example given to me).

I thought the media has been motivated by 'what sells' rather than 'what works', so its easy to sell more hairstyles, big 80s glasses, hair dye, breast implants and diet products/books/tv shows if you push it on to the people that is what they should want. Kind of like smoking in the 50s.

We both also mentioned the mostly stereotypical but sometimes true fact that many fashion models are not judged by (in addition to women) straight men on whats attractive, but gay men, who obviously find 'attractiveness' to be something completly different than what straight men find.

What do you think? Is any of this right? Is it wrong?

She was of the conclusion that

[UNC]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...and there are alot of beholders. So this thread is full of fail.

[OpiateKitty]

I think you bring up a really good point, that I honestly hope some people actually take seriously and answer the question. "Fashion" or "what's hot" is decided in a fucking conference room filled with overtanned and half decomposing women, and old gay men. I'm under the assumption they just think of the most hideous attributes and pull it out of a hat and watch all these stupid women and metrosexuals follow some fashion cult. Women in the media are SUCH bad influences on women and make most of us feel like we aren't good enough. Personally, I agree with you that I don't see how a girl who looks like she needs a burger and is built like a 12yr boy with melons taped to her chest, can be found REMOTELY attractive by any means. I couldn't tell you why though....money is always the drive for most things, so I would assume you come to a decent conclusion that this is all compelled by a dirty dollar. good thread.

[taters]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...and there are alot of beholders. So this thread is full of fail.

We both also mentioned the mostly stereotypical but sometimes true fact that many fashion models are not judged by (in addition to women) straight men on whats attractive, but gay men, who obviously find 'attractiveness' to be something completly different than what straight men find.

Your thoughts are not unexpected.

[Insomniac]

Reminded me of an article I was looking at the other day: http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/the_facial_proportions_of_beautiful_people/

The one referenced about Saira Mohan also brings up the masculinity thing you were talking about.

And to answer your question, definitely the ideal body shape has changed over time, but if you look at how things are right now, I think cheap digital photography i.e. legitimate amateur porn has shifted sexual tastes back toward the genuine and non-idealized female form. Obviously jailbait and otherwise young women are going to be pretty, but not "super model" pretty, not even pornstar pretty.

I may be projecting my own feelings onto other people, but a large part of attractiveness to me is sincerity. The animal lust is always there, but attraction, even physical attraction, is based on some idea of the person.

[Archangel]

Monica Bellucci once said that one of the great social crimes of recent history was frustrated and vindictive homosexuals (fashion designers and editors) forcing their beauty ideals upon women, basically telling them to look like 12 year old boys. The saddest thing is that even some straight men were brainwashed.

[OpiateKitty]

I've never heard a man (in "real life") say that they have found a women of these prepubescent boy statures to be in the least, attractive. I mainly hear, a guy wants a girl with some ass and some tits (for lack of better words). I agree with that totally, curves (hourglass figures) are just more womanly. Just look at the 40's pinup girls...i think these women are hands down MUCH more beautiful then this paris hilton esque bullshit

[taters]

Monica Bellucci once said that one of the great social crimes of recent history was frustrated and vindictive homosexuals (fashion designers and editors) forcing their beauty ideals upon women, basically telling them to look like 12 year old boys. The saddest thing is that even some straight men were brainwashed.

That is VERY interesting.

Im getting the feeling so far that I am not alone in finding women with shape (not fat, but more rounded) figures, with actually noticeable boobs and asses, are attractive, and boney, flat chested/fake breasted, short girls look sickly?

So many once attractive women have been nastified by this trend. Jessica Alba, Lindsey Lohan (sorta...she at least looked 'better'), Beyonce, Jessica Biel, all these women get called 'fat' because they have actual female body shapes, and bone thin women like kiera knightly, kate beckingsale and (you name the victorias secret model) are considered 'hot', when 20 years ago they would be seen as gross.

[mongo]

fat chicks suck. >100lbs is sexy as hell. the skinnier the better.

[Archangel]

Ah, the aforementioned brainwashed have arrived.

[OpiateKitty]

Pictures speak 1,000 words. Bettie Page is SO MUCH hotter than this stick figured skank
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb271/caseycobain/bettie-blklace.jpg
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk90/notiziegossip/mary-kate_olsen.jpg

[OpiateKitty]

fat chicks suck. >100lbs is sexy as hell. the skinnier the better.


i don't think anyones insiunuating fat chicks are hot lol, but i think the general male consensus is that skin and bones arent really that attractive

[AJ]

fat chicks suck. >100lbs is sexy as hell. the skinnier the better.

You're not allowed to post in this thread. You like the dudes, remember?

[Archetype]

The fashion industry has nothing to do with any idealized human form. Those models look like coat hangers, because that's all they're supposed to be. You're not supposed to be able to masturbate to fashion mags. Why would you think you should?

[OpiateKitty]

to each is own i guess, im not here to criticize anyone's personal preference, i (as a woman) hate feeling at a healthy and normal physical weight that i could be considered fat bc i don't weight less than 90lbs

[OpiateKitty]

The fashion industry has nothing to do with any idealized human form. Those models look like coat hangers, because that's all they're supposed to be. You're not supposed to be able to masturbate to fashion mags. Why would you think you should?


it shouldn't have any influence but it does...and its sad really.

[mongo]

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk90/notiziegossip/mary-kate_olsen.jpg

that's funny. i nominated her for that last "gmf's hottest babe" contest.

[OpiateKitty]

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk90/notiziegossip/mary-kate_olsen.jpg

that's funny. i nominated her for that last "gmf's hottest babe" contest.


lol im sorry to bash what's in your spank bank..again youre obviously entitled to your preference...i just wish girls didn't have to feel fat bc they are compared to girls who are factually, unhealthy.

[mongo]

so, you're saying you're fat?

[OpiateKitty]

no i don't think im fat at all...but sometimes (and i can speak for most girls) that sometimes we may feel inadequate because we are compared to girls of this weight. its not fair.

[Archangel]

The fashion industry has nothing to do with any idealized human form. Those models look like coat hangers, because that's all they're supposed to be. You're not supposed to be able to masturbate to fashion mags. Why would you think you should?
You really don't take female gullibility into account. These people inject neurotoxins into their facial muscles when Cosmo tells them to. And you're trying to tell me that 40 years of fashion magazines aren't an influence on women?

When a fag and another woman tell a woman how she should look, she will disregard the opinion of 3 billion straight men in a heartbeat.

[OpiateKitty]

as much as id hate to say it, female gullibility plays a HUGE part in this, and you're right. Most men portray (unintentional or intentional) that a woman is worthless to a man, without her looks. Most women are made to feel that we are unworthy of love & respect if we do not live up to the standards of "typical beauty". I am not insinuating that I am this insecure of a woman bc I'm not by any means...but frankly, i feel pity for women that are forced to feel this insecure.

[Archetype]

You really don't take female gullibility into account. These people inject neurotoxins into their facial muscles when Cosmo tells them to. And you're trying to tell me that 40 years of fashion magazines aren't an influence on women?

Indeed, but I think it has more to do with the fashion designer's self-obsession than with their obsession with 12 year old boys. High-fashion and high-status have been related for so long, that as soon as these fags decided they're important, well, they had people by the balls, and fashion took precedence over natural beauty.

[OpiateKitty]

You really don't take female gullibility into account. These people inject neurotoxins into their facial muscles when Cosmo tells them to. And you're trying to tell me that 40 years of fashion magazines aren't an influence on women?

Indeed, but I think it has more to do with the fashion designer's self-obsession than with their obsession with 12 year old boys. High-fashion and high-status have been related for so long, that as soon as these fags decided they're important, well, they had people by the balls.


you're absolutely right. if you look back on history, it was considered beautiful way back when, to be a thick women because it portrayed wealth.

[wonderllama]

Women are sucked into trying to match the latest of everything in fashion or style.
Hair salons have pictures of Hollywood types about the place, and what do they read while their hair is being done? Trashy Mags with the same people in them.

Same with clothing and make-up...the models are portrayed as the norm, so women start to want to look like them. Then men & women compare these women to the models or stars and they are doomed. Nobody looks like these people...not even the models themselves!!! These days photoshop plays as much of a role as do the designers.

People are told what to think is attractive. Sure, we all like certain things...a smile, chest, butt, legs...but how many people approach an elephant dressed like Jennifer Aniston and with the same hair? None...cos they are seen as falling short.

Individuality is always better in my books...but that doesn't mean you have to look like Quasimodo just to stand out!

[mongo]

yes plz!

http://www.shotaddict.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/Anorexic%20picures.jpg

[Archangel]

you're absolutely right. if you look back on history, it was considered beautiful way back when, to be a thick women because it portrayed wealth.

Still is, in Africa and the South Pacific.

[OpiateKitty]

yes plz!

http://www.shotaddict.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/Anorexic%20picures.jpg


how could you even fuck that? they look like theyd break in half if the wind blew the wrong way lol

[OpiateKitty]

wonderllama brings up a good point...we ARE told what to think. Luckily there ARE women who can hold their own and think for themselves regardless of who's on the cover of Cosmo. But think about it, all men do is talk about "hot chicks" i mean, every other thread on this site is pictures of half naked girls..which is fine i could care less...but when men portray that is ALL they care about, why should we feel otherwise?

[OpiateKitty]

we do feel like we run short on the "attractiveness criteria scale" almost everyday. It's difficult when we are compared to photoshopped, starving, injected/operated women.

[Archetype]

You shouldn't. Now, head down, ass up.

[Da Raider]

i think that there are beautiful women of all shapes and sizes. Of course, symmetry is the number one factor in someone being considered attractive.

[OpiateKitty]

You shouldn't. Now, head down, ass up.


For the most part I don't. Without sounding conceited, I find myself as an attractive woman...but everyone has their insecurities and again, it's difficult not when beauty is made to be SUCH a big part of life.

[taters]

yes plz!

http://www.shotaddict.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/Anorexic%20picures.jpg


how could you even fuck that? they look like theyd break in half if the wind blew the wrong way lol

Gollum fetishes

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/31000/LOTR-Gollum-as-female--31419.jpg

[OpiateKitty]

haha, nicely done

[freegood]

i think that there are beautiful women of all shapes and sizes. Of course, symmetry is the number one factor in someone being considered attractive.

Symmetrical face, beautiful eyes, and luscious lips can have a bigger impression on me than other parts of her body (they need to have at least some curves).

It's kinda twisted how a face 1 cm wider than the ideal or a bigger nose could look less attractive than my personal ideal. Guess it's that porn twisting my minds.

And from a biological standpoint, why would you want a skin and bones type for a long term mate? You think she'll take care of you if you got sick? She'd be the one that's sick all the time! Child bearing hips....what?

[OpiateKitty]

i think that there are beautiful women of all shapes and sizes. Of course, symmetry is the number one factor in someone being considered attractive.

Symmetrical face, beautiful eyes, and luscious lips can have a bigger impression on me than other parts of her body (they need to have at least some curves).

It's kinda twisted how a face 1 cm wider than the ideal or a bigger nose could look less attractive than my personal ideal. Guess it's that porn twisting my minds.

And from a biological standpoint, why would you want a skin and bones type for a long term mate? You think she'll take care of you if you got sick? She'd be the one that's sick all the time! Child bearing hips....what?


right on!

[Archetype]

Bah, fuck your symmetry, give me a lazy eye.

[OpiateKitty]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/brighteyednothing/lazy_eye.gif

[Archetype]

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u50/jjmckool/vaugier6_jpg.jpg

[heelsguy]

symetry.

saw a program on TLC and they did a study. what men and women universally find "attractive" is a face that would be symetrical if you drew an imaginary line down the nose and then folded one side over on to the other. cindy crawford and surprisingly bill clinton were found to be 2 of the most symetrical faces.

apparently it is hard-coded in our DNA to want to mate with someone whose cells split perfectly as it would produce superior offspring

[wonderllama]

I wonder what the offspring of Bill & Cindy would look like....

[Archetype]

Cindy Crawford has a boring face. Yeah, I said it, fuck Cindy Crawford.

[OpiateKitty]

thats interesting...i think i have to do some research on that symmetry theory

[wonderllama]

There's also the eyes....like why we go "awww" for little baby seal pups...they have big eyes with big pupils. Humans are attracted to bigger pupils, so that makes someone more physically attractive.

[Phil Theehor]

Beyond the symnetry aspect, which I do think is valid, I don't think you can point to one standard of beauty. I am attracted to tall and short, curvy and waif-like (small girls with big cans are awesome). It really depends on the individual girl.

Similar to what I hear from women about guys, I think that confidence (irl) plays a large part in a woman being attractive. Someone who is healthy, comfortable in her own skin and takes care of what she has will appeal to a decent cross section of males. Personal tastes (or fetishes) will play a big part in who finds each girl attractive, but girl needn't be attractive to everyone to date, find a mate, etc.

Oh, Asian lineage goes a long way too (boing!).

Vapidly chasing whatever ideal Cosmo is peddling is just retarded. There's a reason that men run the world.

And Opiumsnatch (or whatever your name is), blaming the dollar is fucking retarded. Capitalism is merely the evolution of division of labor. Every material good (including the computer you are typing on) is a result of profit motive. Without profit motive, your dumb ass is still living in a cave and blowing random cavemen in hopes of getting a couple of venison scraps.

And PS, congrats to Taters for starting a thread that did not end up like, well, a Taters thread.

[}{arlequin]

no i don't think im fat at all...but sometimes (and i can speak for most girls) that sometimes we may feel inadequate because we are compared to girls of this weight. its not fair.
this view is flawed. you assume that people compare A to B when in fact they simply prefer A OVER B. nothing more, nothing less. out of thousands of blondes portrayed in the media, none of that has made me want them any more than before b/c i simply prefer dark hair.
we do feel like we run short on the "attractiveness criteria scale" almost everyday. It's difficult when we are compared to photoshopped, starving, injected/operated women.
there you go w/ the comparison thing again. some prefer skinny, some prefer plumpy. to each their own, otherwise this would be the equivalent of 80's movies' portrayal of the cool hot jock, w/ blonde hair, sweater draped over his shoulders, and a jeep wrangler. in majority of those movies that guy DOES NOT win in the end, so there goes that portrayal by the media theory

[OpiateKitty]

I'm not insisting that its all media based..but you can't deny there are comparisons regularly.

[}{arlequin]

it's part of human nature to compare things, but not b/c that's what's on tv, but rather to find out what the individual prefers. this happens by the time we're 5 yrs old w/ every toy we've ever had

i understand that there are teenage girls trying to look like a person on a cosmo cover, but that's b/c they are doing the comparing themselves. i'm willing to bet there are plenty of guys out there that would like them no matter what. i wonder if cindy crawford was comparing her mole to magazine faces w/o a mole when she was young

[OpiateKitty]

it's part of human nature to compare things, but not b/c that's what's on tv, but rather to find out what the individual prefers. this happens by the time we're 5 yrs old w/ every toy we've ever had

i understand that there are teenage girls trying to look like a person on a cosmo cover, but that's b/c they are doing the comparing themselves. i'm willing to bet there are plenty of guys out there that would like them no matter what. i wonder if cindy crawford was comparing her mole to magazine faces w/o a mole when she was young


im not disagreeing with you, i know what you're saying. i wonder if she ever thought her mole was fat lol

[hatepoppy]

i think body language says more than anything. id fuck a fat chick w hot body language.

[}{arlequin]

fat and moles are just different versions of ways to be (possibly) unattractive, but not to all

maybe my problem is that the thread title poses two questions, which may not be related to each other

[OpiateKitty]

what do you consider "hot body language"

[OpiateKitty]

fat and moles are just different versions of ways to be (possibly) unattractive, but not to all

maybe my problem is that the thread title poses two questions, which may not be related to each other


yeah, i thought that too...which was why my first response was a bit scatter brained. regardless, its interesting to see different perspectives & interpretations of this subject.

[Phil Theehor]

what do you consider "hot body language"

I wouldn't ask him that. Poppy is a rapping hippy. The answer will undoubtedly be a little crazy.

[OpiateKitty]

rapping hippy? oh boy lol dare i ask what that even sounds like?

[vasili denisov]

What do I look for? I look for a woman with really, really, really, really, really low standards.

What does big ass corporate media portray? Above average looking women landing dreamboats like Kevin James, Artie Lang, and that overweight black comedian, you know, the male one. How can I compete with these ridiculously unrealistic visions of beguilement? Corporate mainstream media, give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen.

[OpiateKitty]

funny you mention it, not a very high criteria for men lol..although i do find kevin james attractive actually

[hatepoppy]

what do you consider "hot body language"

I wouldn't ask him that. Poppy is a rapping hippy. The answer will undoubtedly be a little crazy.
if a broad gives me the impression that she likes it in the ass in the first half hour i know her, id fuck her. whatever on the looks.

unless she looks herpey. *looks at OPPkitty*

[OpiateKitty]

I think what makes a man attractive is confidence (NOT arrogance), intelligence, sincerity, humor, mental strength & a bit of quirk. good taste in music is a def A+..oh and of course chivalry (being that its so hard to come by these days). Attractive physical attributes may vary for me, it really depends on the person and the attractiveness from within really determine whether or not I find someone goodlooking...although i do notice i tend to lean towards paler skin, dark hair and dark eyes.

[OpiateKitty]

what do you consider "hot body language"

I wouldn't ask him that. Poppy is a rapping hippy. The answer will undoubtedly be a little crazy.
if a broad gives me the impression that she likes it in the ass in the first half hour i know her, id fuck her. whatever on the looks.

unless she looks herpey. *looks at OPPkitty*



classy

[hatepoppy]

what do you consider "hot body language"

I wouldn't ask him that. Poppy is a rapping hippy. The answer will undoubtedly be a little crazy.
if a broad gives me the impression that she likes it in the ass in the first half hour i know her, id fuck her. whatever on the looks.

unless she looks herpey. *looks at OPPkitty*



classy
ill punch your girlfriend in the taint, lesbomb.

[Phil Theehor]

Make her one of those rap videos, Poppy. She said earlier that she would show tits to anyone who can pull off a credible tie-died/hip-hop groove. I think you're just the man she was waiting for.

[OpiateKitty]

lol alright, have fun with that.

[hatepoppy]

Make her one of those rap videos, Poppy. She said earlier that she would show tits to anyone who can pull off a credible tie-died/hip-hop groove. I think you're just the man she was waiting for.
suck my balls, veronica mars.

[taters]

Beyond the symnetry aspect, which I do think is valid, I don't think you can point to one standard of beauty. I am attracted to tall and short, curvy and waif-like (small girls with big cans are awesome). It really depends on the individual girl.

Similar to what I hear from women about guys, I think that confidence (irl) plays a large part in a woman being attractive. Someone who is healthy, comfortable in her own skin and takes care of what she has will appeal to a decent cross section of males. Personal tastes (or fetishes) will play a big part in who finds each girl attractive, but girl needn't be attractive to everyone to date, find a mate, etc.

Oh, Asian lineage goes a long way too (boing!).

Vapidly chasing whatever ideal Cosmo is peddling is just retarded. There's a reason that men run the world.

And Opiumsnatch (or whatever your name is), blaming the dollar is fucking retarded. Capitalism is merely the evolution of division of labor. Every material good (including the computer you are typing on) is a result of profit motive. Without profit motive, your dumb ass is still living in a cave and blowing random cavemen in hopes of getting a couple of venison scraps.

And PS, congrats to Taters for starting a thread that did not end up like, well, a Taters thread.


I dont make them, they gravitate to me.


That being said, an interesting article on the current subtopic of what humans find attractive...with a tater twist-


http://www.npr.org/blogs/newsandviews/2008/08/mixedrace_kids_cuter_but_worse.html

Mixed-Race Kids Cuter, But Worse Behaved?

The author of Freakonomics wondered, "What's it like to grow up with one parent who is black and another who is white?" Well, here's what he offers as his findings (emphasis ours):

1) Mixed-race kids grow up in households that are similar along many dimensions to those in which black children grow up: similar incomes, the father is much less likely to be around than in white households, etc.

2) In terms of academic performance, mixed-race kids fall in between blacks and whites.

3) Mixed-race kids do have one advantage over white and black kids: the mixed-race kids are much more attractive on average.

4) There are some bad adolescent behaviors that whites do more than blacks (like drinking and smoking), and there are other bad adolescent behaviors that blacks do more than whites (watching TV, fighting, getting sexually transmitted diseases). Mixed-race kids manage to be as bad as whites on the white behaviors and as bad as blacks on the black behaviors. Mixed-race kids act out in almost every way measured in the data set.

If true, that might explain Halle Berry. Read the explanation for the findings and tell us what you think.

I thought this was extremely interesting. Not just the 'more attractive' part, which I assumed was due to having broader diversity of genes, but the fact that socially, mixed race people get the bad habits of both races.

That would be the topic for another hypothetical thread though.

[OpiateKitty]

Beyond the symnetry aspect, which I do think is valid, I don't think you can point to one standard of beauty. I am attracted to tall and short, curvy and waif-like (small girls with big cans are awesome). It really depends on the individual girl.

Similar to what I hear from women about guys, I think that confidence (irl) plays a large part in a woman being attractive. Someone who is healthy, comfortable in her own skin and takes care of what she has will appeal to a decent cross section of males. Personal tastes (or fetishes) will play a big part in who finds each girl attractive, but girl needn't be attractive to everyone to date, find a mate, etc.

Oh, Asian lineage goes a long way too (boing!).

Vapidly chasing whatever ideal Cosmo is peddling is just retarded. There's a reason that men run the world.

And Opiumsnatch (or whatever your name is), blaming the dollar is fucking retarded. Capitalism is merely the evolution of division of labor. Every material good (including the computer you are typing on) is a result of profit motive. Without profit motive, your dumb ass is still living in a cave and blowing random cavemen in hopes of getting a couple of venison scraps.

And PS, congrats to Taters for starting a thread that did not end up like, well, a Taters thread.


i worked in the beauty industry for about 10yrs....its not "retarded" it's fact. if you knew the actual industry, you'd want to re-think your response. I know what I'm talking about.

[Le Goat]

eyes, smarts and humor


the end.

[mongo]

i like chicks that are insecure as shit.

[}{arlequin]

eyes, smarts and humor


the end.
i need a body to go w/ that

[Le Goat]

herpes is a great peg-knocker-downer

[OpiateKitty]

lol yeah that MAY come in handy every now and then

[OpiateKitty]

herpes is a great peg-knocker-downer


ewwwww herps lol gross.

[Le Goat]

eyes, smarts and humor


the end.
i need a body to go w/ that
4'11 - 6' , 100-170lb

[Le Goat]

herpes is a great peg-knocker-downer


ewwwww herps lol gross.
he has the herp. no joke.





unless you like that, then I do too..

[OpiateKitty]

I recently had a conversation with a friend of mine about this. She reads a lot of magazines (people, US, Maxim, Cosmo, etc), and made a comment how she doesnt understand why the women those magazines purport to be 'attractive' are the ones with small boobs, super skinny, and short. Also, usually they have fake blond hair thats usually in the current popular 'style'. The same for what gets designated as 'attractive' on television. Skinny, blond, short, shapeless, fake breasted women. We even talked about how its prevelent in softcore (and I think more 'hardcore') adult magazines, like playboy, penthouse, and 'mainstream' (non-internet reality based) pornography vendors.

We talked about it, and I was of the mind that those magazines are written by people who dont know what attractiveness is. I dont personally find women with my body shape when I was 12 +boobs and blond hair attractive. But then the question of why came up.

She was of the conclusion that it was because women judge women harsher, particularly those who they see would otherwise gain more attention or would be naturally seen as more attractive to the opposite sex, as a sort of ingrained biological competitive system. And women are usually the commentators on attractiveness (watch ten minutes of anything on E or daytime tv shows, the quote the example given to me).

I thought the media has been motivated by 'what sells' rather than 'what works', so its easy to sell more hairstyles, big 80s glasses, hair dye, breast implants and diet products/books/tv shows if you push it on to the people that is what they should want. Kind of like smoking in the 50s.

We both also mentioned the mostly stereotypical but sometimes true fact that many fashion models are not judged by (in addition to women) straight men on whats attractive, but gay men, who obviously find 'attractiveness' to be something completly different than what straight men find.

What do you think? Is any of this right? Is it wrong?

She was of the conclusion that



i was agreeing with that thought, btw

[OpiateKitty]

who does? and no thanks ill pass lol

[Archetype]

eyes, smarts and humor


the end.
i need a body to go w/ that
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u50/jjmckool/Johnny5.jpg

[Le Goat]

who does? and no thanks ill pass lol
skinnywhore aka mongo

[Shannon!MD!!!]

I have a mole, and it is not freaking gross.

[}{arlequin]

eyes, smarts and humor


the end.
i need a body to go w/ that
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u50/jjmckool/Johnny5.jpg
cylons??? YES PLZ!!!!

[OpiateKitty]

but can she cook?

[OpiateKitty]

I have a mole, and it is not freaking gross.


im sure its beautiful :)

[Le Goat]

i think you two should exchange numbers

[}{arlequin]

I have a mole, and it is not freaking gross.
where and how big?

[OpiateKitty]

right after you show me your tits goat:)

[Le Goat]

right after you show me your tits goat:)
i just sent El my penis, if you want it, let me know. I'm drunk and willing to post

[Le Goat]

i guess that's a no :(

[vasili denisov]

Make her one of those rap videos, Poppy. She said earlier that she would show tits to anyone who can pull off a credible tie-died/hip-hop groove.
Fistful of peaceful lamping early on campus, Berkeley
Missus, you sold me, let's go boldly, lemme hold you, clothesless
Your whore mouth needs to go southward, open up wide
Your spit's rolling down my rod my tongue's running up your thigh

Man, Will.I.Am makes this shit look easier than it is.

[Phil Theehor]

Beyond the symnetry aspect, which I do think is valid, I don't think you can point to one standard of beauty. I am attracted to tall and short, curvy and waif-like (small girls with big cans are awesome). It really depends on the individual girl.

Similar to what I hear from women about guys, I think that confidence (irl) plays a large part in a woman being attractive. Someone who is healthy, comfortable in her own skin and takes care of what she has will appeal to a decent cross section of males. Personal tastes (or fetishes) will play a big part in who finds each girl attractive, but girl needn't be attractive to everyone to date, find a mate, etc.

Oh, Asian lineage goes a long way too (boing!).

Vapidly chasing whatever ideal Cosmo is peddling is just retarded. There's a reason that men run the world.

And Opiumsnatch (or whatever your name is), blaming the dollar is fucking retarded. Capitalism is merely the evolution of division of labor. Every material good (including the computer you are typing on) is a result of profit motive. Without profit motive, your dumb ass is still living in a cave and blowing random cavemen in hopes of getting a couple of venison scraps.

And PS, congrats to Taters for starting a thread that did not end up like, well, a Taters thread.


i worked in the beauty industry for about 10yrs....its not "retarded" it's fact. if you knew the actual industry, you'd want to re-think your response. I know what I'm talking about.

Please explain. I don't get it.

[hatepoppy]

beauty is fact?

WHERE THE FUCK DID WE FIND THIS BROAD?

[Izayus]

What makes a woman physically attractive is all about what we as animals are always looking for : a fit mate. Depending on environment, those criteria change, but the fact is still the same. Media can alter perspective, but things are in our brains from thousands of years. They don't just vanish cause Cosmo or Playboy say so. My woman's got some big ol' child bearing hips and big tits. My body thinks one thing when I see her. Sex. Is she the most "socially beautiful" and "marketable"? No. There are tons of skinny bitches I could throw the bone to, but my body wants a certain thing.

[Archetype]

And Opiumsnatch (or whatever your name is), blaming the dollar is fucking retarded. Capitalism is merely the evolution of division of labor. Every material good (including the computer you are typing on) is a result of profit motive. Without profit motive, your dumb ass is still living in a cave and blowing random cavemen in hopes of getting a couple of venison scraps.

Well, that's one hell of a goofy belittlement. You realize the futility of saying that people want some kind of gain from their creation, right? Unless you really do mean economic profit, which, yeah, no. There are a variety of reasons people create, invent, produce, and saying that our fucked up consumerist culture is somehow at the top of a linear food chain because capitalist greed is at the base of, I don't know, human nature or some shit? Sorry, you're gonna have to provide the magnum opus of all arguments to convince me of that.

[Kilgore]

Kristin Kreuk's eyes
Cate Blanchett's nose
Rachel McAdam's smile
Heidi Klum's Hair
Gwyneth Paltrow's neck
Christy Turlington's head and bone structure
ScarJo's Rack
Megan Fox's Frame
Ashley Judd's ass
Nicole Kidman's Legs

Now that is a frankin-hottie.

[Archetype]

Ashley Judd's ass? Really?

[redsox39]

gotta have a pretty face, If you expect eye contact...if you don't I'm gonna stare at your tits. And I am on the interwebs alot, so you better have good tits, or I am outta here.

[Kilgore]

Really, absolutely perfect.

http://www.clipser.com/watch_video/241695

[redsox39]

I'd hit it

[Shannon!MD!!!]

OMG DO WE HAVE ANOTHER KENTUCKY PERSON?!?!?!??!?!

[Angry Ass Messican Dude]

Ashley Judd is way hot.

[Limp]

Who the fuck is Shannon!

[Angry Ass Messican Dude]

A hot girl.

[Shannon!MD!!!]

miss me???

[the creeps]

i think it is individualized for each person out there. some like boobs, some like butts, some like lips.

for example the media loved paris hilton for a while, some would say they still do. there are those out there that think she is hot. i don't dig her one bit. the media and mags pushed her like she was the best thing since bread. i didn't like her then, i don't like her now.
the media can only impose on you what you allow them to.

[Fuh Q]

I dont think you can say what makes a woman physically attractive, because it'll be different for each man. There are girls who make me shudder with delight who my friends would think are not particularly attractive. Does the media accurately reflect this? Im sick of girls blaming the fucking media for their own insecurities. Stop using the media as a scapegoat.

[hatepoppy]

tits.

nuff said.

[xfancy]

Im sick of girls blaming the fucking media for their own insecurities. Stop using the media as a scapegoat.

ok, that's bullshit. the media does have a part in it. if a girl is already feeling insecure, and then she lives in a society where people who are skeletal and have plastic surgery are deemed the most beautiful people in the world, it makes sense she's going to be a little insecure. not all women of course, but some do, and it's a natural reaction. plus what kind of girls do guys talk about? from my experience it's always the HOT girl, the model, the actress... not the normal girl, who may be pretty or cute, but normal

[Archetype]

I dont think you can say what makes a woman physically attractive, because it'll be different for each man. There are girls who make me shudder with delight who my friends would think are not particularly attractive. Does the media accurately reflect this? Im sick of girls blaming the fucking media for their own insecurities. Stop using the media as a scapegoat.
Huh, so you're retarded.

[Phil Theehor]

Well, that's one hell of a goofy belittlement. You realize the futility of saying that people want some kind of gain from their creation, right? Unless you really do mean economic profit, which, yeah, no. There are a variety of reasons people create, invent, produce, and saying that our fucked up consumerist culture is somehow at the top of a linear food chain because capitalist greed is at the base of, I don't know, human nature or some shit? Sorry, you're gonna have to provide the magnum opus of all arguments to convince me of that.

Please restate that clearly. You are smarter than that. I expect better from you.

[Claydon]

There is no one thing that makes a woman attractive to me. However, I can say that it is a combo of her eyes, smile, cheek bones, the neck, breasts (of course). Take that and mix it with her intelligence and education and that is what ultimatley makes a woman attractive to me.

[Archetype]

Mambo the dogface to the banana patch.

Is that clear enough for you?

[locke8]

hourglass shape, tits, symmetrical face.

[Phil Theehor]

Mambo the dogface to the banana patch.

Is that clear enough for you?

So I reread what you wrote and see why I didn't get it. You are taking this far off-topic.

I'll catch you up:

She was blaming the dollar because she feels ugly. I was pointing out that it was silly. That would be like you, JJ, blaming porn for your small dick. It just doesn't make sense.

And for piss sakes, Trotsky, what I said was correct. Seriously, look at it a moment, take it in, and resist your reflexive urge to argue.

Oh, and standing up for her on the forum won't get you anywhere, so knock it off. She's dating a retard who will threaten you if you try and cozy up.

[Archetype]

So I reread what you wrote and see why I didn't get it. You are taking this far off-topic.

I was just rolling with it, it was already going off topic. Plus there's only so far you can take a topic on aesthetics and the media's role in our appreciation/recognition/perception of it.

She was blaming the dollar because she feels ugly. I was pointing out that it was silly. That would be like you, JJ, blaming porn for your small dick. It just doesn't make sense.

You mean that in reality, she masturbates to the George Washington portrait on the dollar bill because she's ugly?

And for piss sakes, Trotsky, what I said was correct. Seriously, look at it a moment, take it in, and resist your reflexive urge to argue.

No u.

But no, I genuinely don't think it's correct, unless, like I said, you just mean general profit, then I don't understand the need for the mini-rant.

Oh, and standing up for her on the forum won't get you anywhere, so knock it off.

Because that's what I usually do.

[Fuh Q]

ok, that's bullshit. the media does have a part in it. if a girl is already feeling insecure, and then she lives in a society where people who are skeletal and have plastic surgery are deemed the most beautiful people in the world, it makes sense she's going to be a little insecure. not all women of course, but some do, and it's a natural reaction. plus what kind of girls do guys talk about? from my experience it's always the HOT girl, the model, the actress... not the normal girl, who may be pretty or cute, but normal

No one I know likes fake tits. I dont like fake tits. I dont like skeletal girls either. There are far more non skeletal people than skeletal and guess what, they have partners or people who think they are attractive too. Deemed the most beautiful people in the world? Come on. Maybe in hollywood or something, but not in the rest of the world. What kind of girls do guys talk about? I wish I could post a picture of my girlfriend, she is a normal weight, and I find her attractive. All the "normal" sized, or even "plus" sized girls (I dont really know about clothes sizes so dont ask me) girls I know or have seen obsess about their weight, and yet most have guys admiring them all the time and some even refuse/ignore guy attention because they are so insecure.

Seriously, people with figures like models make up such a small percentage of society, and yet most people have many or at the very least one partner during their lives, what does that tell you?

Guys like all shapes, colors and sizes or women.

[medlar]

A woman/girl my age is attractive when she is physically fit, not lean and stringy like say Madonna, or "gristley" but enough to be toned and tight. My ex looked like a gymnast before one would go hard core gymnast.she was a spring board diver and so graceful is the only way to describe her. She carried herself well..So to be attractive to me she is to look like she is active not just moving to the minimum or slacking off in gym classes. I don't like flabby big tits or a flat slightly sagging ass in an older woman. Doughy. I have seen and don't like. Here. I like the whole package, and as much variety as possible to make comparisons later. What would a pair of fake tits feel like? I wonder.

She doesn't have to have a spectacular beauty about her, I like them cute and ready to smile and along with an abiltiy to keep a converstation going and tolerant of my particular quirks. And she must be able to get ready to go out in less than half an hour or ready to go on the spot.

Take off the make up on any Hollywood icon and they don't look so hot. Well maybe Michelle Pfiffer or Fay Dunaway.

[Archetype]

Seriously, people with figures like models make up such a small percentage of society, and yet most people have many or at the very least one partner during their lives, what does that tell you?

That there are ugly guys too that happen to settle or have low standards. How old are you, 12? The fuck?

[WET HOT MESS]

The softness of their skin and the delicate touch. The contour tracing her outline, following her neckline down her bosom. The two detour sign for derriere. The fall of the fabric around her legs when donning a skirt. The lashes like lace framed gently around the eyes. The small pout of the lips. The exquisite neckline. A beautiful woman is a beautiful woman. What else is there to it?

[Izayus]

The softness of their skin and the delicate touch. The contour tracing her outline, following her neckline down her bosom. The two detour sign for derriere. The fall of the fabric around her legs when donning a skirt. The lashes like lace framed gently around the eyes. The small pout of the lips. The exquisite neckline. A beautiful woman is a beautiful woman. What else is there to it?

~cough~ Ok, well I'm awkwardly hard now. :o

[Okie Medicvet]

When my daughter was younger and I was going to college, I had an extra credit I could take for one of the classes to attend a lecture given by someone on how pop culture glamorized the ultra skeletal auschwitz diet crack addic skinny bitches, and took her along with me..think she was about ten or so. Anyway, as I was doing the report and reviewing my notes I was talking with her about how she felt about the matter, and she said that she couldn't understand why women who looked like they were sick and dying would be so appealing. So she grew up never thinking that way, to just assume that just because something is pushed as popular makes it right, she never cut herself or made herself throw up like happens to a LOT of girls who swallow that kind of bullshit. And she is a healthy woman, not a strung out looking one.

She's also getting her BA next May and I couldn't be more proud.

[mongo]

it's quite obvious she grew up not caring about being skinny.

[EVILution!]

I like short, chubby (as in kind o' thick w/ big knockers), brown girls. Kind of the opposite of the body image usually portrayed in the media... unless you're the kind of person who Tivo's That's So Raven.

[EVILution!]

In addition... Ugly Betty... I'd hit it.

[sterl_03]

I think its pretty much all about curves, a girl with hot curves pretty much makes me wanna.

[Okie Medicvet]

it's quite obvious she grew up not caring about being skinny.

Yes, because she is a beautiful well shaped woman and not a strung out looking toothpick. I got news for you. 00 is not a size it is a medical condition.

[mongo]

last i checked, size 20 is a medical condition too.

[Mustard]

nice boobs - a little on the full size
not weird face - not Hillary Swank or Paris Hilton
good butt - not badonkadonk or cottage cheese
good stomach - no flabby flab from popping out babies

[EVILution!]

nice boobs - a little on the full size
not weird face - not Hillary Swank or Paris Hilton
good butt - not badonkadonk or cottage cheese
good stomach - no flabby flab from popping out babies

Banging or marrying? I marry that kind of chick, sure... but I'd bang a lot worse, and banging is the true test of attractiveness. Anything you'd stick your dick or face in must be attractive. Unless you're a masochist.

[Archetype]

So you're saying your right hand is attractive?

[EVILution!]

So you're saying your right hand is attractive?

yeah.

[drbluex]

I ran across this thread searching for something unrelated on google...but I'm going to dig it back up with my response.

There isn't one single mold for a woman to be physically attractive - not even from the same perspective.

I'd say most people don't find the Olsen twins that attractive these days (like somebody posted earlier as an extreme example. Although they do look better than the majority of the population.)

I think a woman should be physically fit - at least within a healthy weight range. 2/3 of adult women in the US are overweight or obese - most people find overweight and obese women unattractive. Obviously men often have to SETTLE for overweight or obese women...because there aren't enough healthy women to go around.

Large breasts are nice...but they aren't nearly as big of a deal to me (and most men) as a woman in good shape. I personally don't like breast implants...but I would rather have a thin girl with smaller breasts than an overweight woman with huge ones.

Most women in the US are overweight...and most women would love that to be the ideal body type because it's EASY to be overweight. A woman in good shape not only looks better...she generally takes better care of herself, has more energy, is MUCH healthier, and has better self-esteem. I would never date an overweight woman no matter how big her tits were. Overweight is a sign of laziness and/or a lack of self-control. It's also a sign of low self-esteem.

Healthy women have become the minority in this country...and as a result people toss around the "12-year-old boy" and "eating disorder" bullshit way too often. I, for one, am sick of it.

There is definitely such a thing as "too thin" and eating disorders are real...but for every anorexic woman there are over 2500 overweight or obese women. That is the real issue.

Thin women that eat healthy and exercise are rare because we live in the laziest country in the world. Of course 2/3 of the women wish they could change the ideal image - 2/3 of the population is medically overweight or obese!

The size of the average woman has gone up drastically in the last 30 years alone. There's a real weight problem in this country and it's distorting people's views on what is healthy. It's gotten to the point that overweight people are considered "normal" and healthy women are considered "bags of bones." It's sad to me how many fat people are out there and don't do anything about it.

If I had to pick out one person that would be my absolute ideal woman...I'd go with Odette Yustman: http://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/standalone/gq/feature/010108/odette_yustman/00001f.jpg

There are thousands of girls of various shapes, hair colors, races, etc that I find attractive, however. The only constant is that they are healthy, thin, and take care of their bodies. Also - I'm not sure where anybody got the idea that guys prefer short women? I have never heard of that. Anything between 4ft - 6ft works for me as far as height goes.

[Bassmonster]

Dude, It's all about you.... What you see.... What drives you crazy... The media picks the ones that are generally attractive to most. Clear completions, smooth curvy bodies, big eyes....

[thagamesova]

Dude, It's all about you.... What you see.... What drives you crazy... The media picks the ones that are generally attractive to most. Clear completions, smooth curvy bodies, big eyes....

Have to agree with this.

[ed92]

we tend to be wrong when we explain why we like things.

having spent a lot of time looking at women, i can tell you there's at least 3 or 4 different body types that "do it" for me, so i have a couple of different anwers depending on when you ask me.

media does accurately reflect it because the media is now able to put it all out there. whatever your type is, there's a website (or blog post) dedicates to it. media has caught up with us.

[thagamesova]

we tend to be wrong when we explain why we like things.

having spent a lot of time looking at women, i can tell you there's at least 3 or 4 different body types that "do it" for me, so i have a couple of different anwers depending on when you ask me.

media does accurately reflect it because the media is now able to put it all out there. whatever your type is, there's a website (or blog post) dedicates to it. media has caught up with us.

I agree with you. You can pretty much find some type of media that fits your needs. Like you said, everyone is different and have different ideas about what is sexy to them.

[azngzus]

It's all about marketing and what you're trying to sell. The thing is you need to recognize your target audience, which typically if you are wanting to sell sex or hot women you are targeting men. Although the stereotypes that are portrayed in the media may not be seen as attractive to some men, it is to the majority of men that this is targeted to and will click with. Over time these majority desires will change, but as of right now we like skinny with tits and an ass; maybe in a few years we'll want a lil meat on the bones. It's not that the media is trying to force a stereotype down our throats it's them trying to cater to the majority.

[3rdWorldDetroit]

heart beat?

check

[TecDragon]

Nice tits, round ass, and tight pussy lips, the pussy has to look taunt and tight. No to little sag

[gilliath]

Big boobs.

[splinter]

heart beat?

check
or lack of heart beat.


WHAT?!

[freefire]

big boobs, low fat %