The Dark Knight

[Draven X 23]

Synopsis: To say that Christopher Nolan's THE DARK KNIGHT is the best comic book adaptation does the film a bit of a disservice. It may be a Batman film, but this isn't a kid-friendly action movie full of the bams and pows of the original series. This is a pitch-black thriller with enough drama and tragedy to... To say that Christopher Nolan's THE DARK KNIGHT is the best comic book adaptation does the film a bit of a disservice. It may be a Batman film, but this isn't a kid-friendly action movie full of the bams and pows of the original series. This is a pitch-black thriller with enough drama and tragedy to please even William Shakespeare, but it will certainly keep both comics fans and uninitiated audiences equally happy. THE DARK KNIGHT starts in the wake of BATMAN BEGINS: with the appearance of Batman (Christian Bale), Gotham City's criminal underworld is unnerved. They're also plagued by the new D.A., Harvey Dent (Aaron Eckhart), who, in his quest for justice, remains above the city's corruption. Enter a new villain, the Joker (Heath Ledger), who wants to unite the criminals for a common purpose: to kill Batman. THE DARK KNIGHT is one of the most hyped movies to date, and a lesser film would be crushed under the weight of all that expectation. Some of the publicity stems from the early death of Ledger, who turns in an excellent performance. He provides moments of humor, but this Joker is terrifying, sharing more with classic villains such as Hannibal Lechter than with his comic book predecessors. Eckhart is equally good as Dent, and Maggie Gyllenhaal deserves praise for taking over the role of Rachel Dawes from Katie Holmes. Though there's more emphasis on plot and character development than in most comic book adaptations, that doesn't mean Nolan has skimped on any of the action sequences. Each set piece is done perfectly, leaving the audience breathless. THE DARK KNIGHT is filmmaking at its best; its subject matter may be dark and depressing, but it's tough not to feel exhilarated by its artistry when the credits begin to roll.

Genre: Action/Adventure (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/movie/browser.php?genre=200001)
Starring: Christian Bale (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/christian_bale/), Heath Ledger (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/heath_ledger/), Aaron Eckhart (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/aaron_eckhart/), Maggie Gyllenhaal (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/maggie_gyllenhaal/), Michael Caine (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/michael_caine/)

Director: Christopher Nolan (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/christopher_nolan/)
Screenwriter: Christopher Nolan (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/christopher_nolan/), Jonathan Nolan (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/jonathan_nolan/)
Story: Christopher Nolan (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/christopher_nolan/), David S. Goyer (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/david_s_goyer/)
Producer: Charles Roven (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/charles_roven/), Emma Thomas (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/emma_thomas/), Christopher Nolan (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/christopher_nolan/)
Composer: Hans Zimmer (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/hans_zimmer/), James Newton Howard (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/james_newton_howard/)

Also its the Highest Grossing Film based on a Comic Book.

[ShitBreak]

Also its the Highest Grossing Film based on a Comic Book.

Last time I checked, all three Spider-Man films had grossed more than TDK.


Edit: Yep, just checked. So you need to say "Highest grossing domestic film based on a comic book"

[Draven X 23]

No one cares about anything outside the US. Don't you know anything.

[Celtickliq]

A GMF Dark Knight thread with only 4 posts? Things have really changed.

[nuclearjew]

Who fucking cares how much the movie grossed? Stupid obsession with money. And yes, that's coming from a nuclear Jew.

[Kopek]

Truly sad.


Not the gay fanboyism up top. No. The fact that you don't care about money anymore is beyond depressing.

[ShitBreak]

I figured the nuclear part of you would blow up once you stopped caring about money.

[nuclearjew]

I stopped caring about money long before I joined this site. If I cared about money I'd still be working in Tennessee, not living a serf's life in White Mecca.

[Kopek]

So the urban legend of a White Mecca does exist?

[nuclearjew]

White Mecca is not a myth. White Mecca is not just our destination, it is our destiny!

[Claydon]

Wait, why is this thread up again?

[Night Hawk]

Wait, why is this thread up again?


Well? Who the fuck reposted step brothers... like thats a better movie?

[The GWD]

Wait, why is this thread up again?

Because I didn't get to throw my two cents in about the film.



I liked it.

[bixby]

Holy crap the "Harvey Two Face" theme is amazing.

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[vasili denisov]

Sure, The Dark Knight was great and everything, but wasn't its plot difficult to understand? No? We didn't think so either, but we're not Robert Downey Jr., star of the summer's second-biggest (and apparently more easily comprehensible) superhero franchise Iron Man. "I didn't understand The Dark Knight," he tells Moviehole (http://www.moviehole.net/200814729-interview-robert-downey-jr-2). "It’s like a Ferrari engine of storytelling and script writing and I’m like, ‘That’s not my idea of what I want to see in a movie’ … Didn't get it, still can't tell you what happened in the movie, what happened to the character and in the end they need him to be a bad guy. I’m like, ‘I get it. This is so highbrow and so fucking smart, I clearly need a college education to understand this movie.’” And then he said this: "You know what? Fuck DC comics."


http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2008/08/iron_man_vs_batman.html

[nuclearjew]

Robert Downey Jr, a company man! I never woulda thunk it.

[Kopek]

Leaving 'Iron Man', I didn't feel like the world I live in was so fucked up. At least he's got a point there.

[bixby]

I get the feeling he's being really sarcastic, but if he's not...dude, you were in Zodiac. You'd think he'd have an appreciation for big crime epics with multiple storylines after doing that movie. It's not like TDK's got an insanely complicated plot, it's pretty straight forward. If you're not a complete retard, you'll get it, and all the themes it's going for.

[Draven X 23]

Marvel vs DC fight!

Batman vs Iron Man!

Bale vs Downey!

[mudokon485]

Dark Knight... nuff said

[bixby]

http://i34.tinypic.com/21ni1as.jpg

[Kopek]

The least appealing thing about Dark Knight is the constant whining of how GREAT this movie is like there was nothing ever made prior to this movie coming out. I get the love of the movie but we can calm down on it now.

[Draven X 23]

Only until its on DVD and Blu Ray!

[mbslugger89]

only the best movie ever made....or so everyone sez

[bixby]

The more people throw accolades at it online, the harder the (online) backlash will be in a few months. The movie's quality will still be the same, but a lot of people like to be run-of-the-mill contrarians and hate a movie purely because of how well liked it is. So let's just chill out on this flick for a little bit, to avoid that irritating bullshit.

[Draven X 23]

Let other people hate it if they want. You don't have to give into the pressure Bixby. Just say NO!

[Night Hawk]

Let other people hate it if they want. You don't have to give into the pressure Bixby. Just say NO!


Bottomline.. people complaining about the movie only means that they are still talking about it. And if people are still talking about it.. then they are still going to have people seeing it.

[bixby]

It's not that, it's just how contrived that shit is. If people didn't pay so much attention to the internet hivemind and just saw a film with a clear head, they'd actually have their own opinions to express. Instead they have no real, genuine opinions with insight, it's just "this movie is well liked, I'm going to dislike it because I rely on other people's opinions to dictate my own. Also, I am anti-hype, instead of just tuning that shit out and watching the film/reading the book or comic/playing the game, I act like hype is poison in my veins instead of just banter and marketing."

If this were the 70's, these fuckers would be bitching about Star Wars and The Godfather. It's just painfully retarded.

[nuclearjew]

But on the other hand, you have people who defend every last iota of this film, to the point where you point out how retarded the Batvoice sounds, and they get all "BAH, YOU HAVE TO NITPICK, YOU HAVE TO FIND SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS GOLDEN EGG OF PERFECTION, WAH WAH WAH".

It's funny when you go to Rotten Tomatoes and see that every negative review has a million comments from faggot fanboys.

[Draven X 23]

If you wanna be one of the non-conformists, all you have to do is dress just like us and listen to the same music we do.

[Night Hawk]

But on the other hand, you have people who defend every last iota of this film, to the point where you point out how retarded the Batvoice sounds, and they get all "BAH, YOU HAVE TO NITPICK, YOU HAVE TO FIND SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS GOLDEN EGG OF PERFECTION, WAH WAH WAH".

It's funny when you go to Rotten Tomatoes and see that every negative review has a million comments from faggot fanboys.


Agreed

[MDiver01]

the bat voice has always been my gripe

[bixby]

But on the other hand, you have people who defend every last iota of this film, to the point where you point out how retarded the Batvoice sounds, and they get all "BAH, YOU HAVE TO NITPICK, YOU HAVE TO FIND SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS GOLDEN EGG OF PERFECTION, WAH WAH WAH".

It's funny when you go to Rotten Tomatoes and see that every negative review has a million comments from faggot fanboys.

Yeah, I don't understand that mentality at all. I can find flaws in movies/books/comics/games that I absolutely love and would actually give a 10/10 to (if I had to give some arbitrary score.)

The Godfather--The scene where Sonny beats up Connie's husband is out of tone with the rest of the movie, and James Caan throws this really terrible looking punch during the fight.

No Country For Old Men--The scene where Sherriff Bell goes into the hotel room and Chigurh is in there hiding...it's sort of poorly lit/shot and it's difficult to tell where Chigurh is and what exactly is going on.

Children Of Men--The pregnant girl's acting is a little stilted at times.

I'd still rank these films as some of my favorites.

[Night Hawk]

the bat voice has always been my gripe


The thing about the bat voice is...

without me sounding like a faggoty fanboy defending it just to defend it.

The bat voice is necessary, and it is a little hard to hear what he is saying.. however the parts where i couldn't hear him were the parts where the music was fucking BLASTING... Don't get me wrong, the score was AMAZING.. however did it have to play so that it rattled speakers? They made it a tad loud and went a bit overboard. With scores, sometimes less... is more!

[MDiver01]

How is it a necessity?

[Night Hawk]

How is it a necessity?


He is the most powerful person in the world, one of at least. Definitely, the most eligible bachelor. His voice would be recognizable to SOMEONE. He has to mask it. Especially the people he works around who have contact with him. (Harvey Dent, especially).

Donald Trump is a powerful and rich man... forget that he would look retarded, but if he was batman, and talked normal... EVERYONE would know because his voice is that recognizable. I imagine Bruce Wayne is the Good Looking Donald Trump of his world, so one could say everyone would recognize his voice in the same way.

[Kopek]

It still sounds like he's gargling a bag of dicks.

[Night Hawk]

It still sounds like he's gargling a bag of dicks.


And it may.. but if the score wasn't so loud we would know how many dicks and if they were black or not.

[MDiver01]

He is the most powerful person in the world, one of at least. Definitely, the most eligible bachelor. His voice would be recognizable to SOMEONE. He has to mask it. Especially the people he works around who have contact with him. (Harvey Dent, especially).

Donald Trump is a powerful and rich man... forget that he would look retarded, but if he was batman, and talked normal... EVERYONE would know because his voice is that recognizable. I imagine Bruce Wayne is the Good Looking Donald Trump of his world, so one could say everyone would recognize his voice in the same way.
Its pretty much a given that once someone puts on the mask nobody knows who they are voice change or not. He doesnt need to sound like he's sucked too much dick.

[Night Hawk]

Its pretty much a given that once someone puts on the mask nobody knows who they are voice change or not. He doesnt need to sound like he's sucked too much dick.


Dude are you serious? So are you one of those people that would honestly not realize that Clark Kent was superman because he has a pair of glasses and doesn't wet his hair?

[MDiver01]

This isnt real world, we're talking about superheroes for christ sake.

[Night Hawk]

This isnt real world, we're talking about superheroes for christ sake.

So then accept that he disguised his voice.

[bixby]

Fake, but still awesome.

http://i34.tinypic.com/w8t0sx.jpg

[TheImpossibleMan]

That is so fake but awesome. The tats on the hands are fucking awesome.

[Face]

Chris Nolan needs to find whoever made that and hire him

[bixby]

The hand tattoos remind me of Robert Mitchum in Night Of The Hunter. I think those would be an awesome addition for a new design of the character.

http://i34.tinypic.com/zvzpjc.jpg

[Soup Nazi]

I love how whoever did that actually took the time to write 3 partial articles, just to make it look more authentic. Extremely well done.

[The GWD]

The Riddler's such a shitty villain, though. I mean seriously, why leave intentional clues to solving the crime that...you committed? If they want to go with the more realistic approach they should totally do Deadshot. Or Firefly, or maybe Anarky, or even The Mad Hatter.

[The Ape]

The Mob has been the central "villain" for these films with Ras Al Ghul utilizing them and The Joker gaining power from them, they'll be in the forefront of any film that will come. I still say that they'll use Black Mask, its a lower tiered Bat Villain that has direct Mob Connections and seems right up Nolan's alley. The Riddler would be a huge let down after the villains before him.

[bixby]

The Riddler's such a shitty villain, though. I mean seriously, why leave intentional clues to solving the crime that...you committed? If they want to go with the more realistic approach they should totally do Deadshot. Or Firefly, or maybe Anarky, or even The Mad Hatter.

Because he's a narcissist. He wants to see if anybody can possibly be smarter than he is. He leaves the clues out of a smug sense of superiority, and because he wants to play with the cops/Batman's heads, sort of like the Zodiac.

They need to make that character a complete opposite to Joker. Which will be hard, because Ledger's Joker was shown to be a genuine criminal mastermind who's always pulling on people's strings.

[The GWD]

Black Mask is basically a mob boss with a mask. He's just not very...evil.

[Menace2Sobriety]

Any decent rips of this out yet?

[The Ape]

True but before TDK people would say the Joker is just a clown. Before BB people would say who the fuck is Ras Al Ghul....If Nolan got a hold of him I'm sure he'd be insane. Not to mention the history behind the original Black Mask is tied directly to Bruce Wayne and his parents. He's got more of an issue with Wayne than Batman...

[dw1984]

The Mob has been the central "villain" for these films with Ras Al Ghul utilizing them and The Joker gaining power from them, they'll be in the forefront of any film that will come. I still say that they'll use Black Mask, its a lower tiered Bat Villain that has direct Mob Connections and seems right up Nolan's alley. The Riddler would be a huge let down after the villains before him.

i agree... i think black mask would be a great addition, plus black mask isn't really main stream so the writers could do what ever they wanted with his character.

[The Ape]

Also considering how the mask is permanently affixed to his face I can only imagine what they'd do to him after seeing how Two Face worked out.

[TheImpossibleMan]

The Riddler's such a shitty villain, though. I mean seriously, why leave intentional clues to solving the crime that...you committed? If they want to go with the more realistic approach they should totally do Deadshot. Or Firefly, or maybe Anarky, or even The Mad Hatter.
Name: Edward Nygma
Alias: The Ridller
Superpowers: Tattling

[TheImpossibleMan]

I maintain that Bane, Holiday, or no villain at all will be acceptable for the next film.

[bixby]

Black Mask could be a cool villain to continue the theme of duality, especially since the next film seems like it will shift the focus back on Bruce/Batman. Black Mask seems like he could be viewed as the corrupt, evil Bruce Wayne/Batman.

[The Ape]

If they use the original Black Mask origin it ties right into that idea:

Black Mask's origin story was established in his first appearance. Roman Sionis was born into one of Gotham City’s elite families, to wealthy and utterly self-absorbed parents, caring more about their social status than their son; moments after his birth, the doctor carelessly dropped him on his head. Roman's parents were less concerned about their son's well-being and more concerned about covering up the entire incident out of fear of how their wealthy friends would react to the news of their son's injury. A second incident occurred when he was a child. While at the Sionis family country estate he was attacked by a rabid raccoon. This incident was also covered up by the Sionis family, who forbid Roman to mention it to anyone.

Further adding to the cauldron was his father's "friendship" with Thomas Wayne; both of Roman's parents disliked the Waynes and were quite vocal about it in private with their son. However, to their son's dismay, they continued to associate with Thomas and Martha Wayne and pretended to be friends with the couple, to the extent of literally forcing him to become friends with their son, Bruce. His parents' hypocrisy had a deep impact on him, and he grew to hate and resent them and the "masks" they wore in public.

After his high school graduation, Sionis was given a high ranking position inside his father's company, Janus Cosmetics. There, he met and fell in love with Circe, a working class secretary. His parents didn't approve of the relationship and made it clear that they wanted it ended. Enraged, Roman burned down the family's mansion, killing both of his parents. Upon their deaths, he inherited the family fortune and business. Roman wasn't the businessman his father was, however, and eventually ruined Janus Cosmetics by funding a line of face-paint make-up which failed. In desperation, he threw large sums of money at the staff chemists to create a product to save the company, and what came back to him was a kind of water-proof makeup. The product was rushed to market without proper testing, and once it hit the market turned out to be a deadly toxin which disfigured several hundred women.

Circe, now Sionis' fiancée, broke up with him in front of his entire staff. At that time, now successful mogul Bruce Wayne offered to bail out the company on the condition that Sionis give up control and allow Wayne to appoint his own Board of Directors. Sionis agreed, but was furious at the humiliation he had suffered. He went to the family mausoleum and broke his mother's ebony coffin lid. From a piece of this, Sionis carved a mask, becoming 'Black Mask'.

Add it the continuation of the story where the mask becomes affixed to him and you've got a Nolan tale already done.

[grimoald]

They need to make that character a complete opposite to Joker. Which will be hard, because Ledger's Joker was shown to be a genuine criminal mastermind who's always pulling on people's strings.

The funny thing is that was my problem with the Joker in The Dark Night. He really wasn't the anarchist he purported to be, though it could be argued that his psycho thing was really an act especially as the discussion with Harvey at the hospital was so blunt. Though to me that came across as bad writing, not good writing with loads of subtext.

The Riddler could be very good, and it gets to the root of Batman being the 'world's greatest detective', which I think is one of the best aspects of the character, which has kind of been glossed over in the films so far (though it has been utilised, like with the bullet analysis). The problem is that there use of the Joker was very similar to what I imagine a more real world take on the Riddler would be.

[Mulder]

I know it's a little bit off-topic but has anyone of you tried to read the old Batman comic books? I have downloaded The long Halloween and the Batman vs. Dracula and the Arkham Asylum....well finding a suitable villain for the next Batman won't be a problem. Dracula maybe? :P

[Dragon]

Don't think this was posted yet....looks pretty neat.

http://media.movieweb.com/news/2008/tdkdvd.jpg

With the summer winding down, and its biggest release, The Dark Knight (http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/81/4381/summary.php), winding down as well, some details have been revealed about what we might expect from the highest-grossing film of the year's DVD rollout. JoBlo (http://www.joblo.com/index.php?id=22561) was sent some images from a scooper that reveal the various different DVD packaging The Dark Knight (http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/81/4381/summary.php) will be released in.

According to the site, the film will be released in a two-disc DVD edition, a a steelbook two-disc special edition, a Batpod collectors edition, a Batman mask special edition and the Blu-Ray edition. No details have surfaced on what special features will be released on these discs, but apparently rumored release dates of either December 2 or December 9 have been floating around. Click below to enlarge these new images.

[Philip Lombard]

NO NO DVD YET!

The nerds need to see this a couple dozen more times!

[Dragon]

I still need to get my IMAX viewing in.

[parad0x]

IMAX was well worth it. I hope more movies follow suit and film in IMAX.

[Gecko]

Most overhyped movie ever. Wouldnt surprise me if Ledger gets an oscar for it either. Kids, learn from this.. an OD is the best career move you could make.

[Dragon]

Rough....but in some cases true. I do think alot of the added hype that erupted came after Ledger's death and for my two cents was unwarranted. He was amazing and stole all of his scenes don't get me wrong. That was not Heath Ledger it was the Joker, but Eckhart still blew me away with his interpretation of Dent. Amazing stuff that got overshadowed due to Ledger's passing.

[bixby]

Uh...no, in no cases is that true. That's just hypothetical bitching and acting like a cunt.

"Hmmm, lets see here...what can I bitch about? AHA! I know, I'll say the only reason he's gotten acclaim is because he died! What a brilliant, challenging thought! Nobody's posted that on a message board before! TAKE THAT, INTERNET!"

[Gecko]

Yeah, because it cant be true if a lot of people think so.

I actually liked the movie, thats not what its about. But it is still a popcorn flick, and Ledger would never be up for the oscar if he hadnt died.

[Grieves]

and Ledger would never be up for the oscar if he hadnt died.

I thought the movie as a whole was only ok, but you're wrong about Ledger not getting an oscar nomination for his performance if he didn't die. He definitely backed-up all the hype regarding his portrayal of the Joker, and then some.

[bixby]

Yet again, you're not writing anything groundbreaking, here. So saying you're going against the grain by saying "Ledger's only getting so much acclaim because he died!" is bullshit. This is the internet, if there is an opinion to be written out, it probably has been. Multiple times.

And it's circular logic that doesn't add up, because it's based entirely around being hypothetical. If I wanted to, I could "hypothetically" bitch about different movies/books/games using that same logic.

"If you take out all the excellent filmmaking and acting, Sergio Leone's movies would totally suck!"

"If you took out Captain Ahab's obsession with catching the whale, Moby Dick wouldn't make any sense!"

"IF YOU TAKE ANTON CHIGURH OUT OF NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN THE MOVIE WOULDN'T BE AS GOOD!"

"If Peter Finch hadn't died he wouldn't have won an Oscar for Network!"

"If the Nazis didn't commit genocide they probably wouldn't have been such bad guys!"

Ledger played the Joker, he was fantastic in the role, whatever would've happened if he were still alive, doesn't fucking matter. If he's nominated for some dumbass "Seal of quality" or not, doesn't matter. He was good, he dedicated himself to the role and it showed. Moving on.

[scrum]

the best hero movie ever made.

[FarEastFornicator]

One of many perks of living in Japan. http://i33.tinypic.com/2qu6c9l.jpg

[ksul]

Yet again, you're not writing anything groundbreaking, here. So saying you're going against the grain by saying "Ledger's only getting so much acclaim because he died!" is bullshit. This is the internet, if there is an opinion to be written out, it probably has been. Multiple times.

And it's circular logic that doesn't add up, because it's based entirely around being hypothetical. If I wanted to, I could "hypothetically" bitch about different movies/books/games using that same logic.

"If you take out all the excellent filmmaking and acting, Sergio Leone's movies would totally suck!"

"If you took out Captain Ahab's obsession with catching the whale, Moby Dick wouldn't make any sense!"

"IF YOU TAKE ANTON CHIGURH OUT OF NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN THE MOVIE WOULDN'T BE AS GOOD!"

"If Peter Finch hadn't died he wouldn't have won an Oscar for Network!"

"If the Nazis didn't commit genocide they probably wouldn't have been such bad guys!"

Ledger played the Joker, he was fantastic in the role, whatever would've happened if he were still alive, doesn't fucking matter. If he's nominated for some dumbass "Seal of quality" or not, doesn't matter. He was good, he dedicated himself to the role and it showed. Moving on.

Thank you for getting it right. There is no point in making an argument about what would have happened if Ledger wouldn't have died.

[Genius]

Black Mask is basically a mob boss with a mask. He's just not very...evil.
Uh, twat? Black Mask is one of the most sadistic motherfuckers in the DC universe. In fact, his whole schtick is that he kills people on a whim. I think he'd be a perfect "Joker replacement".

[Dragon]

Uh, twat? Black Mask is one of the most sadistic motherfuckers in the DC universe. In fact, his whole schtick is that he kills people on a whim. I think he'd be a perfect "Joker replacement".

I agree that Black Mask should be the villain in the third movie but do we really want a Joker replacement? This movie should be about Batman's struggle now more than ever. He let someone take the city hostage and wreck havoc while killing on a whim and taking Gotham's legitimate shot at cleaning the streets and making him a monster. This should be a chase film in the sense that Dark Knight was a crime drama. But this needs to refocus on Batman.

[bixby]

Joker co-creator Jerry Robinson comments on the Joker actors:

...on Cesar Romero: "He was very good for the part, and he fit it physically - he was tall, slim, had a kind of elongated face...and the make up, it was pretty good."

...on Jack Nicholson: "Of course he gave a tour de force performance. I wasn't crazy about the script for that film. But he was very good. If you look at any version of the Joker playing card, you can see the resemblance."

...on Heath Ledger:" I think he may have paved new ground for the Joker...by all accounts, everyone's raving about the performance, so I'm anxious to see the whole film.

....on who could have played the Joker: "I guess with his make-up ability, Lon Chaney....but he wasn't a very tall man, so I don't picture him much in the role...in his acting ability and character, Claude Rains might do it. But he too was not physically right. There were very few who met the physical requirements for the Joker, apart from Cesar Romero."


I'm surprised he didn't mention Conrad Veidt for it. They based most of the Joker's original look on him.

http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/wp-content/2007/04/ManWhoLaughs.jpg

Lon Chaney would've also been pretty kick-ass.

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/3311873.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=11B127B063386F61C86CF206DEB58CDEA55A1E4F32AD3138

[Dragon]

Joker co-creator Jerry Robinson comments on the Joker actors:

...on Cesar Romero: "He was very good for the part, and he fit it physically - he was tall, slim, had a kind of elongated face...and the make up, it was pretty good."

...on Jack Nicholson: "Of course he gave a tour de force performance. I wasn't crazy about the script for that film. But he was very good. If you look at any version of the Joker playing card, you can see the resemblance."

...on Heath Ledger:" I think he may have paved new ground for the Joker...by all accounts, everyone's raving about the performance, so I'm anxious to see the whole film.

....on who could have played the Joker: "I guess with his make-up ability, Lon Chaney....but he wasn't a very tall man, so I don't picture him much in the role...in his acting ability and character, Claude Rains might do it. But he too was not physically right. There were very few who met the physical requirements for the Joker, apart from Cesar Romero."


I'm surprised he didn't mention Conrad Veidt for it. They based most of the Joker's original look on him.

http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/wp-content/2007/04/ManWhoLaughs.jpg

Lon Chaney would've also been pretty kick-ass.

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/3311873.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=11B127B063386F61C86CF206DEB58CDEA55A1E4F32AD3138

Talking about Conrad Veidt have you looked at the Joker's Asylum comic? Blatant re-do of that scene but in Joker context. When I brought it up to some people they had no idea what I was talking about.

[MDiver01]

John Wayne Gacy

[Genius]

I agree that Black Mask should be the villain in the third movie but do we really want a Joker replacement? This movie should be about Batman's struggle now more than ever. He let someone take the city hostage and wreck havoc while killing on a whim and taking Gotham's legitimate shot at cleaning the streets and making him a monster. This should be a chase film in the sense that Dark Knight was a crime drama. But this needs to refocus on Batman.
I'll let Nolan handle the storytelling. He seems to be doing a fine job. But choice of villian is vital, and I think Black Mask fits the bill. You could have the best script ever, but if Batman is trying to catch Scarface, or Killer Croc, the movie will be fucked.

[Dragon]

Well at least you and me agree on that. Black Mask would be totally perfect in keeping with the reality and mob aspect of the Nolanverse.

[Draven X 23]

I'd like to see Killer Croc. Of course it wouldn't be the Croc we all know. More like a Henchman with a skin condition working for someone else.

[The Ape]

Killer Croc would come off too campy, it'd be difficult to make it believable enough to exist in the Nolanverse without really losing that. I don't see them being able to do that with Croc or Freeze for that matter.

[nuclearjew]

I'd like to see Killer Croc. Of course it wouldn't be the Croc we all know. More like a Henchman with a skin condition working for someone else.
Sweet, then the ACLU can protest the stereotyping of people who suffer from excema.

[Draven X 23]

Well Croc could just be a guy like Michael Clarke Duncan with contacts and a bad attitude. Doesn't have to be a guy in full Croc get up. More like he looked on Batman: TAS.

[Draven X 23]

Sweet, then the ACLU can protest the stereotyping of people who suffer from excema.

People need something to complain about.

[The Ape]

IF they were going to go with Killer Croc something like this is a cop out:

http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/4/48/Killer_Croc_TV.jpg

http://www.batmantas.com/img/croc4.jpg

if you're already using someone like Croc then go fucking nuts and make him as scary as possible...

[Draven X 23]

IF they were going to go with Killer Croc something like this is a cop out:

http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/4/48/Killer_Croc_TV.jpg

http://www.batmantas.com/img/croc4.jpg

if you're already using someone like Croc then go fucking nuts and make him as scary as possible...

I guess you did not see how they used the Scarecrow. Besides a bag he was just a dude.

Anyway I just think of Croc as muscle. Nothing more.

[bixby]

Croc seems too much like a side character Guillermo Del Toro
would throw in if he got the job directing Batman 3.

Either Black Mask, Bane, or a reimagined Riddler get my vote.
Preferably Black Mask or Bane.

[nuclearjew]

I like the reimagined Riddler and in a dream world the movie would get an R rating.

[Draven X 23]

Well my idea was more of Croc working for Black Mask. Like a contract killer or heavy muscle. Someone that can take a few punches from Batman without falling down and staying down.

[The Ape]

Bane will only work if they allow the Knightfall storyline to actually take place....every other incarnation makes him look like a stooge. I really think that Nolan will go with a lesser known Bat Rogue so he has a ton of options of what to do.

[bixby]

I get the feeling something big is on the way, regardless of the villain. Remember, in Begins when Rhas was talking about, "when a forest grows too wild, a purging fire is inevitable", then in TDK, Alfred talks about how the only way they caught the bandit was burning the forest down. Joker just wants to watch the World burn, because society's "code" and all their plans are just a joke.

Also, a moment in the movie they can really explore in the third is when Alfred and Bruce have that conversation when he's getting stitched up-- "Know your limits, sir." "Batman has no limits." "But you do." "Can't afford to know'em."

Something's going to happen that's going to tear down both Bruce and Batman's worlds. At least I'm guessing.

[Draven X 23]

Wasn't that the death of Rachel?

[banethejuggalo]

Whoever is the next villain, it needs to be someone realistic. The reason why these two movies worked so well, is because they seem somewhat believable. It they get all campy and bring in Croc, Clayface, etc. its all ruined. The Riddler is way too much like the Joker and I don't think they would touch that.
Bane and Black Mask seem like the most real and most don't know who they are. That way they can get past Ledger.

[bixby]

That and Harvey Dent's death will probably continue to haunt him in the next movie, and it will cause him to get even more "lost inside the monster" he's created, but there's going to be something that sends him to the breaking point.

Joker doesn't even need to be on screen in the next film for his presence to be felt. Someone on another forum brought this up, and it's actually an interesting idea:


What also caught my ear was Mike Engel reading Joker's statement. "At nightfall, this city is mine." The immediate, literal interpretation is what happens in TDK. But add a "k" in there and it becomes "At Knightfall, this city is mine." Once Bane breaks Batman, Azrael begins breaking Batman's "One Rule," and Gotham falls to chaos...that's Joker's city.

[nuclearjew]

To further the 9/11 parallels, they should just use the Penguin and have him played by Dick Cheney.

[Tiger]

bane would be a villian but who would play him?

[nuclearjew]

Eric Bana

[hunters]

Whoever is the next villain, it needs to be someone realistic. The reason why these two movies worked so well, is because they seem somewhat believable. It they get all campy and bring in Croc, Clayface, etc. its all ruined. The Riddler is way too much like the Joker and I don't think they would touch that.
Bane and Black Mask seem like the most real and most don't know who they are. That way they can get past Ledger.
makes you realize there aren't many villians past the 60s tv show ones

[Draven X 23]

The Riddler can be done a number of ways. Doesn't have to be an over the top bad guy like in the old TV show or Batman Forever. Can be more like the one on the animated series. Or make him a John Doe type. But he has a type of OCD where he has to leave riddles behind telling of his next crime.

Realize Detective, the only reason that I'm here right now is that I wanted to be.

A woman... so ugly on the inside she couldn't bear to go on living if she couldn't be beautiful on the outside. A drug dealer, a drug dealing pederast, actually! And let's not forget the disease-spreading whore! Only in a world this shitty could you even try to say these were innocent people and keep a straight face. But that's the point. We see a deadly sin on every street corner, in every home, and we tolerate it. We tolerate it because it's common, it's trivial. We tolerate it morning, noon, and night. Well, not anymore. I'm setting the example. What I've done is going to be puzzled over and studied and followed... forever.

[bixby]

bane would be a villian but who would play him?

<--Javier Bardem.

I'd actually go with two villains again, Bane attacking Batman's world and Black Mask attacking Bruce Wayne's world.

[MDiver01]

why not just bring back Two face? That fall was complete bullshit.

[nuclearjew]

Two Face and the Joker are in Batman's version of Guantanamo Bay, duh.

[Draven X 23]

Bringing back Two Face negates what Batman did. He is taking the blame on his shoulders for everything Two Face did to keep Dent as a symbol of hope. If Dent is killing people still its a pointless sacrifice.

[bixby]

Even if he's alive, Harvey Dent's story is kind of over. He's a tragic hero, and Eckhart's performance was absolutely amazing expressing that, especially in the hospital scene between him and Gordon.

Really, the comics/animated series turning him into just another villain with a tommy gun has always been pretty stupid, to me. He has absolutely no motivation to do it, and he even says in TDK, "you think I want to escape from THIS?" He wanted to die, he was done.

[Face]

Eric Bana
more like Eric Banal

[MDiver01]

that fall was still bullshit.

[Dragon]

Two Face should definitely be brought back. I'm still not sold on him dying. It would be very easy to start the 3rd movie in a morgue or the ambulance outside the warehouse and he wakes up grabs the needle out of the back and stabs whomever is around takes it and gets away to plot with Black Mask in this movie.

[banethejuggalo]

Here is pretty much all the choices:
Bane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Bane) • Black Mask (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Black_Mask) • Blaze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Blaze) • Catwoman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Catwoman) • Clayface / Ethan Bennett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Clayface_.2F_Ethan_Ben nett) • Clayface / Basil Karlo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Clayface_.2F_Basil_Kar lo) • Cluemaster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Cluemaster) • Count Vertigo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Count_Vertigo) • D.A.V.E. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#D.A.V.E.) • Dracula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Dracula) • Everywhere Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Everywhere_Man) • Firefly/Phosphorus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Firefly.2FPhosphorus) • Francis Grey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Francis_Grey) • Gearhead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Gearhead) • Harley Quinn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Harley_Quinn) • Hideto Katsu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Hideto_Katsu) • Hugo Strange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Hugo_Strange) • The Joining (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#The_Joining) • Joker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Joker) • Joker 2.0 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Joker_2.0) • Kabuki Twins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Kabuki_Twins) • Killer Croc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Killer_Croc) • Killer Moth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Killer_Moth) • Lex Luthor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Lex_Luthor) • Man-Bat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Man-Bat) • Marty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Marty) • Mercy Graves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Mercy_Graves) • Maxie Zeus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Maxie_Zeus) • Metallo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Metallo) • Mirror Master (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Mirror_Master) • Mr. Freeze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Mr._Freeze) • Number One (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Number_One) • Penguin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Penguin) • Poison Ivy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Poison_Ivy) • Prank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Prank) • Punch and Judy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Punch_and_Judy) • Ragdoll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Ragdoll) • Rhino & Mugsy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Rhino_.26_Mugsy) • Riddlemen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Riddlemen) • Riddler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Riddler) • Rumor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Rumor) • Rupert Thorne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Rupert_Thorne) • Shadow Thief (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Shadow_Thief) • Sinestro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Sinestro) • Smoke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Smoke) • Solomon Grundy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Solomon_Grundy) • Spellbinder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Spellbinder) • Temblor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Temblor) • Terrible Trio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Terrible_Trio) • Tony Zucco (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Tony_Zucco) • Toyman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Toyman) • Ventriloquist & Scarface (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Ventriloquist_.26_Scar face) • Wrath and Scorn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Wrath_and_Scorn)


These are from the cartoon and I can't see many of these working.

[Dragon]

Kabuki Twins based on name alone.

[Draven X 23]

Are you talking about The Batman or Batman: TAS?

[MDiver01]

My fav would be Clayface but then I think of Sandman from SM3 and that thought scares me.

[Face]

VENTRILOQUIST AND SCARFACE!!!

[bixby]

Shit yeah, man. Those characters both have so many themes and pathos to express.

http://i38.tinypic.com/24csbdl.jpg

[Draven X 23]

I like The Riddler as the major bad guy. But some others like Croc and Penguin as minor roles like Scarecrow or Gamble in TDK. But they all would be more in line with Nolan's Batman Universe then the Comics version.

[Face]

Shit yeah, man. Those characters both have so many themes and pathos to express.

http://i38.tinypic.com/24csbdl.jpg
It'd be perfect, the mob needs a new leader!

[bixby]

They could work in Azrael as another copycat vigilante of Batman, except he's actually got the resources to do what Batman does, and he actually kills. Plus, his suit and characterization would actually work in the Nolan universe.

http://i33.tinypic.com/x5qlax.jpg

As long as Nolan and his brother are in charge, though, I've got faith they'll make something cool.

[Dragon]

I am still in the school of thought that this movie should come full circle and show how Batman has progressed as a person and an entity in the city of Gotham and now how he is being chased while helping the city. I don't think introducing Azrael would be a good idea at this point. Maybe into Jean Paul and leave another option for the future.

[grimoald]

The problem with some of the characters, like Hush, Black Mask or even Two Face imo, is that they are so tied to Bruce Wayne/Batman that I feel you can't do them justice in one film.

You have to set up the relationship in one act, establish the transformation in a second act and then have the confrontation in the 3rd act. It is just too quick a development. Whereas someone who is just an enemy of Batman can effectively turn up and have at it.

I think what they did with Harvey for the first 2/3rds of the film was great, but I didn't like what happened subsequent to that, it was far too rushed I thought and Two-Face should have been saved, with Harvey presumed dead by Gotham at the end of TDK, for the 3rd film. There would likely be the same problem with the other two characters. The only way they can get around it would be via flashbacks, establishing a long term relationship, but that doesn't seem like something the Nolans would go with in these films.

[smith42687]

A man accused of trying to steal a large Batman movie poster from a cinema lobby while dressed as the Joker has pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of malicious destruction of property.


http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080728/capt.a3b842e7294844579da5f34ac136dad0.joker_arrest ed_dt101.jpg?x=400&y=263&sig=NbTaaisfOgfJN.jdy5EXIg--

[smith42687]

Here is pretty much all the choices:
[/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#D.A.V.E."]D.A.V.E. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Batman_villains#Bane)


These are from the cartoon and I can't see many of these working.



They should have Batman 3: Meet D.A.V.E. Box Office Gold right there.

[Draven X 23]

I don't know if this was posted anywhere but: http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news/44308/angelina-jolie-asks-porn-star-for-catwoman-advice


Angelina Jolie Asks Porn Star For Catwoman Advice

The actress gets advice for new Batman movie from Tera Patrick...


Tuesday 12th Aug 2008

http://www.entertainmentwise.com/photos/Image/angelinapolitics200.jpg ...more Angelina Jolie » (http://www.entertainmentwise.com/latest/angelina-jolie/news/8950)

Angelina Jolie has turned to porn star Tera Patrick for advice on her possible role as Catwoman in the next Batman movie.

The actress, who has a penchant for starring in action movies, is keen to play the feline villain if Dark Knight director Christopher Nolan makes a sequel.

And original Catwoman for the 1960’s Batman TV series, Julie Newmar, has expressed her delight at Jolie taking on the role.

According to Page Six, Angelina has been discussing her possible portrayal of the character with porn star pal Tera, who is a huge fan of Catwoman.

A source tells the publication: "They are friends and keep in touch via e-mail. She and Angie have a girl-talk thing going.

"After seeing reports that she'll land the lead role, Jolie asked Patrick what she thought. Tera had such insights into the role that Jolie cracked, 'You should do it!'"

BS? Who knows. Most likely but Angelina Jolie and Tera Patrick together make me think of some awesome things.

[Eradicator30]

From 90210 To Gotham City? Brian Austin Green Makes Pitch For Riddler Casting (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/08/12/from-90210-to-gotham-city-brian-austin-green-makes-pitch-for-riddler-casting/)


Published by Jennifer Vineyard (http://splashpage.mtv.com/author/jennifervineyard/) on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 at 10:58 am.
http://splashpage.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/081208_brianaustingreen.jpg


With all the campaign talk, it’s starting to feel like an election year: Johnny Depp for the Riddler, Angelina Jolie (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/07/29/angelina-jolie-as-catwoman-julie-newmar-says-shed-be-purr-fect/) versus Maggie Gyllenhaal returning from the dead for Catwoman (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/07/31/the-dark-knight-cast-weighs-in-on-their-favorite-bat-villains/).
But there’s a dark horse who wants to get his name on the ballot — a name you might not expect — for the part of Mr. Ed Nygma, should the villain get a role in the next Batman film.
“I would love to be the Riddler,” Brian Austin Green told MTV News.
In case you’re thinking “WTF? David Silver?” — let us remind you that in the years since “Beverly Hills, 90210,” (http://newsroom.mtv.com/2008/08/12/brian-austin-green-on-new-90210-it-could-be-good-or-it-will-suck-terribly/) Green has rebooted himself as an actor. Perhaps not to the same degree as Christopher Nolan rebooted Batman, or Heath Ledger the Joker, but check out Green playing himself in “Domino” (for a much-appreciated sense of self-deprecation) or Derek Reese in “Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles” (where he’s barely recognizable), and you’ll come to see that Green has progressed significantly since the days when he competed with Tori Spelling for worst actor. Green knows it’s a long shot, but despite his role on “Terminator,” “I’d like to be in the next ‘Batman,’ even though I am busy killing machines and people,” he said. (We hope he just means on the show).
“I hope to God that they don’t try to replace Heath and have the Joker,” Green added. “And Two-Face is gone.” So they need a new villain (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/08/05/who-should-be-next-villain-for-nolans-batman-comic-writers-weigh-in/), and the Riddler makes sense,” he said. Not that he’s thought it so far ahead that he actually knows what he’d want to do with the Riddler, however.
“That’s impossible to answer now,” Green said. “That would take years of preparation. It’s tough. Heath set the bar at a new level, which I think is fantastic for comic book lovers and movie lovers. He changed the face of what people expect out of those films. If you watch the old ones, I mean, they were great for what they were, having Danny Elfman’s music, but this is a new level.”
Would you give Brian Austin Green a shot at being the Riddler? If not him, who do you think should be the Riddler? Catwoman? Or any other villains in the next Batman? Cast your fantasy Batman film below.

[Draven X 23]

Oh sweet jesus no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Eradicator30]

I'm pretty sure as long as Nolan is the director, he could make Rob Schneider the most badass Riddler in eixstence, so if this unlikely scenario happens, I'll have faith. He has really shown some good range on The Sarah Connor Chronicles, so nothing would surprise me at this point.

[ShitBreak]

90% of everyone bitched when Ledger was cast as the Joker, too.

Just sayin..........

[Draven X 23]

But Ledger is an actor. BAG is the reason I quit watchng Terminator: TSCC

[Eradicator30]

I think he's really good on the show, frankly.

[Draven X 23]

Thats fine. Everyone has their opinion.

But really when it comes down to it. After TDK did so well, pretty much anyone wants to be in the next one.

[banethejuggalo]

I hope the Brian Austin Green thing is from the onion.

[bixby]

Yeah, he just said he would love to play The Riddler. Well, yeah, so would anybody.

The Nolan Bros haven't even written the script yet, and they probably won't even announce Chris Nolan's official involvement for another year. Probably around next year's Comic Con they'll reveal the title, the villain, who's playing the villain, and most importantly whether or not Nolan's back. Nobody saw Ledger's casting coming until it was announced, either, so I'd expect a similar situation this time.

Rumors about villain casting right after the movie comes out are always hilariously bullshit. That new Angelina Jolie one is especially funny--so, she wants to play Catwoman, and the first person she consults about this is...a porn star. Right, because that makes complete sense.

I'm gonna start my own random-ass rumor right now:
JOHN TESH ASKS CLOSE FRIEND VLADIMIR PUTIN THROUGH AN IM MESSAGE ABOUT PLAYING THE CREEPER. NEWS AT 11.

[Draven X 23]

Mini-Me for Scar Face!

[ShitBreak]

But Ledger is an actor. BAG is the reason I quit watchng Terminator: TSCC

Well then you are a retard. Within about two episodes, I went from almost laughing he was on there, to hoping he was gonna sign on to be in Season 2.

[Draven X 23]

Yeah, I and about 7 million others tuned out.

[bixby]

The first two episodes made me stop watching Sarah Conner Chronicles.

[ShitBreak]

Yeah, I and about 7 million others tuned out.

Well good for you.

[Draven X 23]

Good for us. BAG wasn't the only reason I tuned out. But he didn't make me want to keep watching.

[ShitBreak]

Well if you don't like the show, that's fine. Every show is like that. But anyone who says he was a big factor in not watching is fucking retarded. He really did make that show a lot better.

[grimoald]

That news article is just terrible. He is linked with the Riddler, who isn't confirmed to be in the film, because some shitty entertainment writer asked him if he would like to be in the next Batman film. You could replace BAG with pretty much every actor in Hollywood and keep on printing it every day for the next 18 months.

[Dragon]

That news article is just terrible. He is linked with the Riddler, who isn't confirmed to be in the film, because some shitty entertainment writer asked him if he would like to be in the next Batman film. You could replace BAG with pretty much every actor in Hollywood and keep on printing it every day for the next 18 months.

Yea I mean this is getting slightly ridiculous already. We all know we will get no concrete anything relating to a sequel until at the earliest a year from now.

[Kopek]

I'm pretty sure as long as Nolan is the director, he could make Rob Schneider the most badass Riddler in eixstence, so if this unlikely scenario happens, I'll have faith. He has really shown some good range on The Sarah Connor Chronicles, so nothing would surprise me at this point.

You can't be serious? "Good range" on a middling television show isn't that major of an accomplishment.

[Dragon]

Ok can we please just get off this made up rumor if we all know nothing really will come of this has been who's only real claim to fame lately was he was attached to Megan Fox recently. 90210 sucked.......Terminator I can't say because I haven't watched it but can't see it being good based on some of your comments. Nolan knows what he is doing but as of right now everyone related to the movie has said at least one year before news. So let's wait.

[bixby]

An actor like Casey Affleck is who I could imagine Nolan wanting for a character like Riddler--coming off a lot of acclaim/Oscar nomination for a role, lesser known, an actual actor as opposed to just a name.

Now, lets see if mtv will pick up my "CASEY AFFLECK HAS BEEN CAST AS THE RIDDLER" rumor.

[Dragon]

See now that's more along the lines of something Nolan would do. That I could be content with in a third movie. Don't forget Ed Harris as Mr. Freeze.

[Jericho]

The first two episodes made me stop watching Sarah Conner Chronicles.
pretty much

[Mr. Bateman]

There is all this talk about catwoman. i think catwoman would be a horrble addition to the "new" series. am i the only one?

[The Ape]

Catwoman could work because of the romantic angle considering that Rachel just died in TDK but i still say Nolan will choose a villain that is fairly B List and might include a few higher up cameos.

As for BAG the only good thing about him is that he gets to toss it into Megan Fox on a regular basis and by good I mean I hate him for that. Heath Ledger in a Batman film and David Silver in a Batman film are definitely two different things.

[bixby]

There is all this talk about catwoman. i think catwoman would be a horrble addition to the "new" series. am i the only one?

Nope. I agree. That character is so dull and one-note (and yes, I have read The Long Halloween.)

Plus, after Ledger's Joker, it's such an insane downgrade. I don't want to go from a villain that talks about random injustice and hypocrisy of society, to...some chick with cat-ears on her head, with a performance from some chick who's just hamming it up.

And honestly, I'd prefer Bruce to go it alone to deal with Rachel's death. It's not like any of his relationships are going to last, anyways. He dies alone, watching over his city.

[Mr. Bateman]

dunno if this was posted to lazy to look for it. TDK DVD info.

http://joblo.com/excl-the-tdk-dvds

[Dragon]

Yea look back a few pages.

[banethejuggalo]

I was actually asked about playing the Riddler, and well who wouldn't want to be in a movie that will follow up one of the highest grossing of all time.

Anyone and everyone will be asked about the third Dark Knight because it is destroying every other movie this Summer.

[muthastone]

this week it will surpass star wars as the 2nd highest grossing movie of all time.

you think they can take down that titanic of a movie called "titanic"?

[bixby]

...Nah, probably not. I would like it to, but Titanic had a really insane run, making pretty much the same ammount every weekend for, what, 9 months or something? And most importantly, Dvd's weren't such a huge part of how movies make their money. TDK's going to be HUGE on Dvd.

If anything, TDK's performance is even more impressive considering how weird the movie market is. Sure ticket prices are higher, but movies are in theaters for much shorter ammounts of time nowadays.

[Philip Lombard]

yeah no chance at titanic

but who really cares?

[nuclearjew]

Fags?

[Fletch]

Fanboys?

Although they're one in the same with fags.

[bixby]

All you care about is money. This city deserves a better class of criminal.

[zero]

this week it will surpass star wars as the 2nd highest grossing movie of all time.

you think they can take down that titanic of a movie called "titanic"?

i really hope it does. its actually still sold out over at just about all the showings at quite a few of the movie theaters by my house and imax is sold out solid

[cypher]

It probably will die out around 550 million. Wish it would over take Titanic but it looks like it won't

[Kroenen]

Movie of the year!

[Dragon]

All about the money.....

http://www.superherohype.com/news/batmannews.php?id=7595

Dark Knight Passes Star Wars!
Source: Box Office Mojo (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/)
August 17, 2008


After four weeks as the #1 movie in the country, the reign of Warner Bros.' The Dark Knight (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=15813) finally came to an end, but not before it amassed enough money to pass the unadjusted gross of George Lucas' 1977 sci-fi classic Star Wars to become the 2nd highest grossing movie domestically with an astounding five-week box office gross of $471.5 million! (Star Wars' unadjusted gross of $461 million included a number of re-releases since its debut thirty years ago.) While it has a long way to go if it wants to pass the long-held box office record of James Cameron's Titanic, it's more than likely The Dark Knight could become the second movie to ever make more than $500 million domestically. (Quite ironically, the continued success of Nolan's Batman film knocked George Lucas' new animated Star Wars: the Clone Wars (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=41868), the first movie in the franchise to be distributed by Warner Bros., down to third place for the weekend as well.)

[bixby]

George Lucas the lead villain for Batman 3 CONFIRMED.

"Curse you, Nolan! CURRSSSEE YYYOUUUU!"

[Kilgore]

I finally saw it over the weekend. For a movie that is still #1 at the box office there was suprisenly not a lot of choices for show times. All the local theatres were only showing it about 4 times throughout the whole day.

[Msteg45]

I finally saw it over the weekend. For a movie that is still #1 at the box office there was suprisenly not a lot of choices for show times. All the local theatres were only showing it about 4 times throughout the whole day.


Surprising, especially since all the other stuff out is shit.

[bixby]

TDK's insane box-office explains why the summer was so front-loaded with comic based hero/action flicks. They had to get all their shit out of the way before they got run the fuck over by the TDK train.

Hellboy didn't get out of the way in time, though...neither did Mulder and Scully.

[Syndicate]

You guys are still talking about this fucking movie?

[baskcm]

You guys are still talking about this fucking movie?

yes because its a great motherfucking movie dammit

[Night Hawk]

Saw it in IMAX... HOLY SHIT...

So much better in IMAX... and i got news for you all.

The Bat-Voice is not that bad in the IMAX... the sound is so much better in there that it is so much easier to understand.

[Fiend1138]

So... I finally saw this sober and...

What was the point of bringing back Scarecrow? I didn't get it. Did he say he was a good guy now or some shit? And they never showed the fate of the Joker. They should have at least showed him in a straight jacket at Arkham or something. Great movie but the ending felt like a cop out. They shouldn't have killed Dent. He was just getting going really.

[bixby]

Scarecrow just showed up for a cameo, he wasn't working with the Batman vigilantes, they interrupted a drug deal he was doing.

[muthastone]

do you think warner bros. is gonna try and get the next one out 2011?

am i mistaken or didn't nolan already say that the next movie was gonna shift its focus back on batman.

[bixby]

Nolan hasn't said anything about the next one. We probably won't hear about his official involvement in the next movie for at least a year. Probably around Comic-Con.

The most I've read about Batman 3 are some bullshit casting rumors, and David Goyer (wrote Batman Begins and co-wrote TDK's story) said that he had a theme in mind for the next one.

That's about it, though.

[Night Hawk]

So... I finally saw this sober and...

What was the point of bringing back Scarecrow? I didn't get it. Did he say he was a good guy now or some shit? And they never showed the fate of the Joker. They should have at least showed him in a straight jacket at Arkham or something. Great movie but the ending felt like a cop out. They shouldn't have killed Dent. He was just getting going really.


what makes you think that
dent was DEFINITELY dead? That service at the end? We dont know what thats for! is that a prayer service type thing? No casket... Not like they took his pulse and said "i got nothing"

[ShitBreak]

Both Goyer and Nolan's scripts, as well as the novelization of the movie say that Dent was laying there, DEAD.

[Night Hawk]

Both Goyer and Nolan's scripts, as well as the novelization of the movie say that Dent was laying there, DEAD.


Links? I want to read this. And since when are scripts followed like they are law?

[ShitBreak]

Links? I want to read this. And since when are scripts followed like they are law?

http://movies.ign.com/articles/898/898426p1.html

[muthastone]

i'm glad harvey dent is dead. i loved the story arch of the character but think that another movie with him in it would just be overkill.

i'm looking forward to seeing batman redeem himself and becoming the caped crusader.

[bixby]

A lot of people have brought up redemption as a theme for Batman 3, but does he really need to be redeemed? He's already said he's not a hero, and he doesn't need to be seen as one--"I'm whatever Gotham needs me to be."

[The Ape]

Batman Begins and The Dark Knight both took Bruce/Batman out of the country to Asia. One was to meet Ras and the other was to get back Lau in order to attack the Mob. Finding a clue to who would be the leading villain might be to figure out what reasoning would take him out of Gotham again.

[muthastone]

A lot of people have brought up redemption as a theme for Batman 3, but does he really need to be redeemed? He's already said he's not a hero, and he doesn't need to be seen as one--"I'm whatever Gotham needs me to be."

that is a good point. what are your ideas for a villian/theme for the next film?

[bixby]

Bane and/or Black Mask. A villain that's a dark mirror of what Bruce and Batman could have or could become.

I guess they could expand on the theme of duality. Having Bruce truly getting lost inside the monster he's created, to the point that Bruce Wayne and Batman are overlapping and he can't figure out which persona he is anymore. Harvey Dent and Rachel's deaths will probably cause him to retreat even further into his identity as Batman, but since the public at large hates him and wants him brought in or killed, Bruce Wayne provides him momentary, uneasy peace.

Then, have Bruce Wayne's world start to get attacked as well.

There's also that recurring theme of a "purging fire" that keeps getting referenced in these films. Leading me to believe something fucking huge is coming.

[The Ape]

The studio is set to announce its plans for future DC movies in the next month. For now, though, it is focused on releasing four comic-book films in the next three years, including a third Batman film, a new film reintroducing Superman, and two movies focusing on other DC Comics characters. Movies featuring Green Lantern, Flash, Green Arrow, and Wonder Woman are all in active development.

Looks like the third is already being greenlit and announced...I wonder if this means Nolan has already accepted...

[Night Hawk]

Looks like the third is already being greenlit and announced...I wonder if this means Nolan has already accepted...

It only means the studio is interested in spending money to make the movie.. They still need to hire a script writer, director and cast...

[Night Hawk]

http://movies.ign.com/articles/898/898426p1.html


Ok i get ur point now about the original script.. however things in scripts change all the time.. and since they didnt make it exactly clear in the movie itself i still dont take it as final. Until we know for sure he is dead i am open to the possibility.. if its so unclear people have to go to books or scripts to read it, then it wasn't intended to be concrete.

[grimoald]

A lot of people have brought up redemption as a theme for Batman 3, but does he really need to be redeemed? He's already said he's not a hero, and he doesn't need to be seen as one--"I'm whatever Gotham needs me to be."

I think redemption is a function of the ending of TDK, however not personal redemption. Batman is now public enemy no.1, that works in enhancing the legend of the character, but I imagine a strong narrative thread of the third film will see him becoming Gotham's hero again.

The problem in my opinion is that it was a mistake by the film-makers to do that. Though I also thought Harvey should have been left missing at the end of the film left to be Two-Face in the next.

[grimoald]

I actually think Hush working with someone possibly the Back Mask, would be very good.

You could open up the third film with Rachel's funeral, and Thomas Elliot who was a childhood 'friend' of theirs coming to console Bruce after working as Dr in Darfur for the past few years, or something similar.

It would progress with them tearing down Bruce Wayne's life as well as Batman's.

[Night Hawk]

I actually think Hush working with someone possibly the Back Mask, would be very good.

You could open up the third film with Rachel's funeral, and Thomas Elliot who was a childhood 'friend' of theirs coming to console Bruce after working as Dr in Darfur for the past few years, or something similar.


If he is a Dr. in Darfur.. i am walking out.

[grimoald]

If he is a Dr. in Darfur.. i am walking out.

Just a shitty way of explaining a good friends absence for the last two films. They can do anything, but being a Dr overseas is an obvious one, and something that altruistic initially deflects the suspicion. Doesn't have to be true either, could be a cover while he was training up like Bruce did in Begins.

[Night Hawk]

Just a shitty way of explaining a good friends absence for the last two films. They can do anything, but being a Dr overseas is an obvious one, and something that altruistic initially deflects the suspicion. Doesn't have to be true either, could be a cover while he was training up like Bruce did in Begins.

Ya well he needs to be a laboratory Dr. working on curing a disease. And you can't do the Hush storyline if Two-Face is really dead. Hush NEEDS two-face.

[Dragon]

Ya well he needs to be a laboratory Dr. working on curing a disease. And you can't do the Hush storyline if Two-Face is really dead. Hush NEEDS two-face.

For the first part bolded.....or her could be a surgeon like in the comics. Secondly completely true. To just remove that aspect of the storyline relating to Two-Face, among the other emotional points that would need to be taken out due to there being no Robin yet, I think Hush might be better suited as perhaps a trilogy once Nolan has completed the sequel to TDK.

[Night Hawk]

Completely true. To just remove that aspect of the storyline, among the other emotional points that would need to be taken out due to there being no Robin yet, I think Hush might be better suited as perhaps a trilogy once Nolan has completed the sequel to TDK.


Or just bring back TWO-FACE... You have to admit... ASIDE from the production book.... They hardly made it 100% certain that Dent is dead.

[Dragon]

I will have to take another look at the production book because when I looked over that nothing jumped off the script page to me stating he was dead.

[nuclearjew]

Awww, it's like you two faggots' avatars are having a conversation with one another. How cute.

[NOTKyle]

I thought it was a dupe, till I realized they were having a real conversation.

Spanky and Mongo reincarnated.

[bixby]

Unused TDK posters:

http://i36.tinypic.com/jhf1io.jpg

[Metzgarob]

batman=dump

[TylerDurden]

Or just bring back TWO-FACE... You have to admit... ASIDE from the production book.... They hardly made it 100% certain that Dent is dead.

absolutely right: they make it obvious that dent is alive. so why the discussion?

this is right up there with the misconception of the joker being dead, but that's also rather obvious as well. neither one of them has died. not only does the story point to this, but the casting for the next movie makes it absolutely concrete. dent/two-face will be the main villain in the third installment. i'm sure that at the beginning both dent and the joker will be in arkham asylum (or some other substitute). one will break out, one will not.

[Cleric Preston]

You have to be a complete moron to think that Dent is alive at the end of TDK. Batman and Gordon discuss in detail how his death should be portrayed to the press, and, if I recall correctly, it looked like they showed a clip (with no dialogue) of Gordon speaking at Dent's funeral. If Dent were alive and locked up in Arkham, it would be tough to play him off to the press as the hero Gotham needed. Move the fuck on, he's dead.

[Night Hawk]

You have to be a complete moron to think that Dent is alive at the end of TDK. Batman and Gordon discuss in detail how his death should be portrayed to the press, and, if I recall correctly, it looked like they showed a clip (with no dialogue) of Gordon speaking at Dent's funeral. If Dent were alive and locked up in Arkham, it would be tough to play him off to the press as the hero Gotham needed. Move the fuck on, he's dead.


Where in that final scene do they say that dent's death should be portrayed as this... they say that they cant cover up what he did.. not his death.

[bpb]

You have to be a complete moron to think that Dent is alive at the end of TDK. Batman and Gordon discuss in detail how his death should be portrayed to the press, and, if I recall correctly, it looked like they showed a clip (with no dialogue) of Gordon speaking at Dent's funeral. If Dent were alive and locked up in Arkham, it would be tough to play him off to the press as the hero Gotham needed. Move the fuck on, he's dead.

Yeah, it's not like they did a good job of covering up Gordon's "death". Hell EVERYONE knew he wasn't murdered. And as we all know, when you die a movie death, there is no coming back from that.

[TylerDurden]

You'd have to have seen the movie to think that Dent is alive at the end of TDK.

fixed for accuracy.

Batman and Gordon discuss in detail how his death should be portrayed to the press, and, if I recall correctly, it looked like they showed a clip (with no dialogue) of Gordon speaking at Dent's funeral.

you probably don't recall correctly, so it's not a surprise that you're wrong. they discuss explaining his actions, and it's my understanding that in order to keep morale and hope in the city they decide that batman will have to play the part of the villain temporarily. just as they don't intend on disclosing the true nature of dent's transformation into two-face and the havoc he caused. dent was 'the white knight'... ruining that image would make things worse than they were.

i don't recall a funeral for dent, but if there were i'm guessing it's a cover-up.

If two-face were alive and locked up in Arkham, it would be easy to hide him from the press. Aaron Eckhart has signed on for the third movie, so it's quite obvious that two-face will be an integral part in the next movie even if he's not the main villain.

fixed for obviousness.

[bixby]

It could honestly go either way, since it's left open to interpretation. Nolan could decide that Dent's story is complete, and that his character has more of an impact on the story if he stays dead, or he could decide that Dent could be even more of a tragic hero if he were the one to start the fire that creates all these "freak villains" that replace the mobs.

TDK producer Emma Thomas fueled doubts about Dent's demise when IGN asked her about it following a press screening in late May. She told us that Dent's fate was somewhat ambivalent, and that fans could interpret it either way they'd like.

[Philip Lombard]

cause deaths in comics are always 100% final, no coming back

[Draven X 23]

Maggie was signed for the next film too.

[Night Hawk]

Maggie was signed for the next film too.


Maggie could be a flashback... because we clearly see her death.

[grimoald]

I think they intentionally left it slightly open so if they feel they have to come back to Two-Face they can.

However, I am almost certain they decided that Dent was dead.

[Dragon]

I think they intentionally left it slightly open so if they feel they have to come back to Two-Face they can.

However, I am almost certain they decided that Dent was dead.

Yes, Dent is dead. Two-Face is not.

[Draven X 23]

Maggie could be a flashback... because we clearly see her death.

No we see a building explode. Never actually see her body or anything taken from the building that I remember.

[nuclearjew]

Yes, Dent is dead. Two-Face is not.
But then where is Two-Face?

[Dragon]

No we see a building explode. Never actually see her body or anything taken from the building that I remember.

You can see her body flying out of the building engulfed in the trailer even. look at the top left side of the screen when you re-watch it. Yes, they never show a body but in a case like that and in a PG-13 movie would you expect to see a charred body as well as the Joker killing around 30 people and half a man's face scarred and burned as well?

[bixby]

High res, son.

http://i37.tinypic.com/qs2iyc.jpg
http://i38.tinypic.com/119cv2v.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/359xtn7.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/2135ce9.jpg
http://i38.tinypic.com/24l1qc1.jpg

[muthastone]

those pics are fucking sick!

[bixby]

http://i33.tinypic.com/14o4mcg.jpg

This image better be on the dvd. That's cover art, right there.

And here's Bale and Ledger chilling back when filming started on TDK.

http://i35.tinypic.com/2mezslw.jpg

Fuck, those pictures bum me out.

[zero]

seriously regardless of how he died its still the loss of a great actor

[Eradicator30]

God I hope this is not true...

Cher 'to play Catwoman' in next Batman film

Cher has been lined up to star in the next Batman movie, it has been claimed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/2612613/Cher-to-play-Catwoman-in-next-Batman-film.html
By Jessica Salter
Last Updated: 6:46PM BST 24 Aug 2008

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00795/cher-extra_795541f.jpg



The 62-year-old singer and actress is reported to be in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third Batman film from British director Christopher Nolan.


The Oscar-winner will join a cast that includes Johnny Depp as The Riddler as she plays the whip-carrying burglar. The character has also been played by Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry.


A studio executive said: "Cher is Nolan's first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years.


"The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations."


Filming of the new Batman instalment, provisionally entitled The Caped Crusader, is due to begin in Vancouver early next year.


The Dark Knight, this summer's blockbuster, has become the most successful of the Batman movies. Warner Bros expects the film to make about $530m.


It stars the late Heath Ledger, who was found dead in his Manhattan apartment after taking an accidental drugs overdose. His performance as



The Joker is widely expected to garner an Oscar nomination.
Cher's recent acting performances have included Tea with Mussolini in 1999 and Stuck on You, in 2003 in which she played herself.

[Soup Nazi]

What.........the.............fuck?

That shit can't be true.

[Face]

everything about this story is wrong

[MDiver01]

so not true. It cant be. You cant get an old hag to play catwoman.

[Philip Lombard]

HAHA

Not even close

[TheImpossibleMan]

Remember, guys: THERE IS NO SCRIPT FOR THE THIRD FILM. It does not exist. Nolan has not worked or talked with anyone about what he wants to do for the third film. Saying Depp is already cast as the Riddler or that Cher is 'in talks' to play Catwoman is like saying 2+2=5; it just contradicts reality. remember that, because there are going to be a million rumors like this as people try to grab traffic hits with made up bullshit.

[bixby]

Is this a rumor from 1991 they had in their archives or some shit?

I thought it couldn't get any dumber than the "Maggie Gylenhaal is coming back as Catwomanz lulz" rumor. I was wrong.

[three50zoom]

This movie is morbid...

[MDiver01]

great now we have some douche bag making stupid post in the movie section.

[Face]

great now we have some douche bag making stupid post in the movie section.
it's rude to talk about yourself in the third person

[MDiver01]

hey the Diver does what he wants

[MDiver01]

Is Nolan Done?

While the interweb runs rampant with outlandish casting rumours surrounding the follow up to Chris Nolan's THE DARK KNIGHT (Rosie O'Donnell as Clayface?) most have chosen to ignore the fact that Nolan himself has not even signed on for the third installment. I guess it's just assumed that 500 million domestically and counting means "f*ck yeah let's do it again!"

Apparently not. According to The Hollywood Reporter, Nolan, who is on a much needed vacay, has yet to commit to the daunting task. In the article, THE DARK KNIGHT producer Charles Roven says:

There are a lot of us who emotionally would love to do it, but it's really Chris' call. Chris is the kind of filmmaker who just doesn't think about the next movie before he has completely finished the movie he is working on. When he comes back, we will see how he feels.

If Nolan does in fact decide not to return, may I suggest Joel Schumacher as a possible replacement? Something tells me he would do a fantastic job.

[Philip Lombard]

He'll be back. He'll just do something else first. Like The Prestige after Batman Begins.

[grimoald]

He'll be back. He'll just do something else first. Like The Prestige after Batman Begins.

And providing he gets a big enough paycheck. Even though he has his flaws as a film-maker (particularly with action) he is inexorably linked to the success of the franchise, and will be looking to get as much out of Warners as he can.

[Night Hawk]

And providing he gets a big enough paycheck. Even though he has his flaws as a film-maker (particularly with action) he is inexorably linked to the success of the franchise, and will be looking to get as much out of Warners as he can.


I honestly feel the first two movies have set the third up with so much, that ben stiller could direct it and it would be a smash hit.

[ShitBreak]

Ben Stiller isn't that bad of a director.

If you are going to use a useless director's name...use Uwe Boll, or Kevin Smith.

[Night Hawk]

Ben Stiller isn't that bad of a director.

If you are going to use a useless director's name...use Uwe Boll, or Kevin Smith.


But Stiller directs comedies... my point is that it can be someone completely out of ordinary and it will do well...

Would Captain M. Night Shytiam be a better example?

[bixby]

I honestly feel the first two movies have set the third up with so much, that ben stiller could direct it and it would be a smash hit.

Fuck being a hit. I want the third movie to be a worthy follow-up to TDK, and something that can be looked at as the "end" of Bruce Wayne's journey that started in Begins. I want to see Bruce Wayne pushed to the edge, something a lot of movies like to play around with (the whole idea of the "hero falling") but never actually do. It could flop (it won't obviously), the only thing that matters is that this story they've created goes out with a bang.

I mean, look at what they've accomplished so far with this franchise:

Begins-Resurrected a franchise that was completely dead, and inspired the James Bond movies (and a ton of others, there's reboots all over the place now) to do the same by getting back to the basics/themes of the character.

TDK-Obviously, Heath's performance and the themes The Joker carries are the ones everyone's going to remember years from now. But, ignore the ammount of money it's pulled in, and look at how it really fucks with the constraints of the superhero genre. For example, the scene where Batman has to make a choice between saving Rachel and Dent is reminiscent of that scene in Spider-Man, where he's got to decide whether he wants to save Mary Jane or a bus full of people, yet he somehow manages to save them both. TDK did that, but said "nah, fuck that. If there's no sacrifice then there is no meaning behind the choice."

[Night Hawk]

For example, the scene where Batman has to make a choice between saving Rachel and Dent is reminiscent of that scene in Spider-Man, where he's got to decide whether he wants to save Mary Jane or a bus full of people, yet he somehow manages to save them both. TDK did that, but said "nah, fuck that. If there's no sacrifice then there is no meaning behind the choice."


I think a better example would have been batman forever, (i think thats the one with TLJ)... anyways two-face makes him choose between a girl and robin... and he manages to save both...


Fuck you for bringing spiderman in this thread...

otherwise good post


EDIT: And for the record... you can't put bruce wayne's journey to an end.. you have to keep it open. You have to A. allow for more movies if necessary... B. Allow for a crossover movie - JL - C. The point of batman is that he is in a never ending battle, so maybe his ending journey would be his internal struggle and he fully becomes batman, with no more desire to stop being batman.

[bixby]

The end of this story arc, man. The development of the character from an angry young man to someone who's willing to make any sacrifice possible to save his world.

[The GWD]

No crossovers for this Batman. The whole idea of a realistic Batman couldn't work in a fucking Justice League movie.

[bixby]

The crossover idea I liked was the one David Goyer's making, that movie about a prison for supervillains (that would feature Green Arrow). He mentioned that Joker's name could show up on one of the cell doors--just barely a cameo, but it would work well with explaining Joker's absense from Batman 3. Obviously everyone knows Heath passed away, but it could work in terms of the story.

[mbslugger89]

ya i hear you man im trying to avoid this movie for awhile so when i finally do get around to seeing it i wont have such hi expectations.

[lce-man]

The hype raised the expectations so high, that it's nearly impossible to actually fulfill them. But still a great movie.

[bixby]

Wow. There are a shit-ton of these Joker impression videos. Most are pretty cringe-inducing, and barely a handful are worth watching, but it's pretty amazing how much this performance/character resonates with people.

This guy's impression is pretty good.
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[Night Hawk]

No crossovers for this Batman. The whole idea of a realistic Batman couldn't work in a fucking Justice League movie.


That is why you would have to re-conceptualize the Justice League itself





and those impersonations are pretty good. should have put on some makeup

[Celtickliq]

Those videos are kind of creepy.

[bixby]

That is why you would have to re-conceptualize the Justice League itself
Meh. I don't see how you can make characters like Wonder Woman and Superman work in Nolan's Batman universe. Nolan's movies aren't supposed to be documentaries or anything, but an alien in a red cape and a demigod chick in golden bracelets and a star bikini would look really ridiculous next to Bale's Batman.

And I'm pretty sure Bale's done with Bats when Nolan's done. If I were him and they were trying to get me into a movie about the Justice League, I'd bail out too.

[Will]

Meh. I don't see how you can make characters like Wonder Woman and Superman work in Nolan's Batman universe. Nolan's movies aren't supposed to be documentaries or anything, but an alien in a red cape and a demigod chick in golden bracelets and a star bikini would look really ridiculous next to Bale's Batman.


Nah mate all you have to do is put them in leather jackets and pants a la X-Men 1, therefore it instantly becomes modern and believable.

Just make sure no-one electrocutes a reptile hanging onto a railing with their tongue and it's gold Jerry, gold!

[Jericho]

It's time to move on

[misterfatt]

tell that to the blacks and the jews.

[Philip Lombard]

This guy's impression is pretty good.
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what a waste of life

[Night Hawk]

what a waste of life


I dont know man, maybe he is an aspiring actor.. if so then i say bravo.. trying to perfect the craft. It always begins with imitating others.

[Bill Paxton]

I dont know man, maybe he is an aspiring actor.. if so then i say bravo.. trying to perfect the craft. It always begins with imitating others.

Indeed, both impressions were spot on. They should cast him in the next batman!

[Mr. Brown]

Is it just me does he sound a little like French Stewart?