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redsox39
12-08-2008, 01:34 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121694247343482821.html?mod=opinion_main_comment aries


A cry for help goes out from a city beleaguered by violence and fear: A beam of light flashed into the night sky, the dark symbol of a bat projected onto the surface of the racing clouds . . .
Oh, wait a minute. That's not a bat, actually. In fact, when you trace the outline with your finger, it looks kind of like . . . a "W."
http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-BX473_oj_kla_20080724191516.jpg Warner Bros. Pictures


There seems to me no question that the Batman film "The Dark Knight," currently breaking every box office record in history, is at some level a paean of praise to the fortitude and moral courage that has been shown by George W. Bush in this time of terror and war. Like W, Batman is vilified and despised for confronting terrorists in the only terms they understand. Like W, Batman sometimes has to push the boundaries of civil rights to deal with an emergency, certain that he will re-establish those boundaries when the emergency is past.
And like W, Batman understands that there is no moral equivalence between a free society -- in which people sometimes make the wrong choices -- and a criminal sect bent on destruction. The former must be cherished even in its moments of folly; the latter must be hounded to the gates of Hell.
"The Dark Knight," then, is a conservative movie about the war on terror. And like another such film, last year's "300," "The Dark Knight" is making a fortune depicting the values and necessities that the Bush administration cannot seem to articulate for beans.
Conversely, time after time, left-wing films about the war on terror -- films like "In The Valley of Elah," "Rendition" and "Redacted" -- which preach moral equivalence and advocate surrender, that disrespect the military and their mission, that seem unable to distinguish the difference between America and Islamo-fascism, have bombed more spectacularly than Operation Shock and Awe.
Why is it then that left-wingers feel free to make their films direct and realistic, whereas Hollywood conservatives have to put on a mask in order to speak what they know to be the truth? Why is it, indeed, that the conservative values that power our defense -- values like morality, faith, self-sacrifice and the nobility of fighting for the right -- only appear in fantasy or comic-inspired films like "300," "Lord of the Rings," "Narnia," "Spiderman 3" and now "The Dark Knight"?
The moment filmmakers take on the problem of Islamic terrorism in realistic films, suddenly those values vanish. The good guys become indistinguishable from the bad guys, and we end up denigrating the very heroes who defend us. Why should this be?
The answers to these questions seem to me to be embedded in the story of "The Dark Knight" itself: Doing what's right is hard, and speaking the truth is dangerous. Many have been abhorred for it, some killed, one crucified.
Leftists frequently complain that right-wing morality is simplistic. Morality is relative, they say; nuanced, complex. They're wrong, of course, even on their own terms.
Left and right, all Americans know that freedom is better than slavery, that love is better than hate, kindness better than cruelty, tolerance better than bigotry. We don't always know how we know these things, and yet mysteriously we know them nonetheless.
The true complexity arises when we must defend these values in a world that does not universally embrace them -- when we reach the place where we must be intolerant in order to defend tolerance, or unkind in order to defend kindness, or hateful in order to defend what we love.
When heroes arise who take those difficult duties on themselves, it is tempting for the rest of us to turn our backs on them, to vilify them in order to protect our own appearance of righteousness. We prosecute and execrate the violent soldier or the cruel interrogator in order to parade ourselves as paragons of the peaceful values they preserve. As Gary Oldman's Commissioner Gordon says of the hated and hunted Batman, "He has to run away -- because we have to chase him."
That's real moral complexity. And when our artistic community is ready to show that sometimes men must kill in order to preserve life; that sometimes they must violate their values in order to maintain those values; and that while movie stars may strut in the bright light of our adulation for pretending to be heroes, true heroes often must slink in the shadows, slump-shouldered and despised -- then and only then will we be able to pay President Bush his due and make good and true films about the war on terror.
Perhaps that's when Hollywood conservatives will be able to take off their masks and speak plainly in the light of day.
Mr. Klavan has won two Edgar Awards from the Mystery Writers of America. His new novel, "Empire of Lies" (An Otto Penzler Book, Harcourt), is about an ordinary man confronting the war on terror.

Daydreamer
12-08-2008, 01:56 PM
Welcome to July, 2008.

redsox39
12-08-2008, 02:04 PM
Well, I just read it today! You bastard!

Archangel
12-08-2008, 02:05 PM
This is what crystal meth does to people, apparently.

Crack
12-08-2008, 04:58 PM
OTC Cold Medication: C (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon)10H (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen)15N (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen)O (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen)

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See the difference? Now go have fun kiddies if that's your bag...

Genius
12-08-2008, 05:04 PM
I wonder if Christian Bale knows he was in a film with such "conservative" values...

Like his father, David, Bale is known as an activist, and is a supporter of activism and animal welfare groups such as Greenpeace and the World Wildlife Fund.[9] He has been a vegetarian since age six when he read Charlotte's Web and made the connection between animals and meat.[43] Feminist activist Gloria Steinem became Bale's stepmother, and a first-time bride (at age 66), when she married David Bale on 3 September 2000. The marriage ended with the death of the elder Bale in 2003.[44] Bale currently resides in Los Angeles.

The guy is Gloria Steinem's stepson for god's sake.

Angry Ass Messican Dude
12-08-2008, 05:05 PM
Crack.. do you ever NOT talk about drugs?

taters
12-08-2008, 05:05 PM
Not going to bash, but will say ever since the WSJ went from being a fiscal conservative and socially neutral/silent respectable paper to Rupert Murdochs Fox News-Paper rag, its gone downhill.

This is the second 'why we should love bush' piece Ive seen by them. Seriously, does this actually sell? Does anyone buy this? How is this making money, because NO ONE, left or right (for the most part) believes any of this BS.


Ok, a little fan Bash - Batman didnt leave the gotham narrows to sink and fall apart when a massive ecological disaster hit. He went in and tried to protect the people. Batmans father didnt work to make himself richer at the costs of the poor, he built a free mass transit system (Bush opposed this kind of thing, which would have alleviated the transportation problems we are already having).

Bush isnt batman. He isnt even Ras Al Ghoul. Hes the fucking Wall Flower. And his VP is the penguin.

The Batman
12-08-2008, 05:10 PM
Batman is not pleased by this article. ;p

Claibo
12-08-2008, 05:20 PM
Batman is not please by this article. ;p

try english mother fucker... :D

The Batman
12-08-2008, 05:22 PM
try english mother fucker... :D

Try to find a name that isn't a retarded way to spell clay or caribu.

Claibo
12-08-2008, 05:27 PM
Try to find a name that isn't a retarded way to spell clay or caribu.

STFU
Dont make me post that picture of you crawling around on the floor picking up the quarters...

and it is caribou you dumb fuck.

I can tell that you didn't go to college. :cool:

Crack
12-08-2008, 05:27 PM
Crack.. do you ever NOT talk about drugs?

Go learn how to reduce one lousy Oxygen atom and then....http://boards.cannabis.com/images/smilies/custom/gthumb.gif
http://boards.cannabis.com/images/smilies/custom/e5cyippee.gif

The Batman
12-08-2008, 05:34 PM
STFU
Dont make me post that picture of you crawling around on the floor picking up the quarters...

and it is caribou you dumb fuck.

I can tell that you didn't go to college. :cool:

I am glad that you know the spelling of the animal your nick named after. Thats gotta be important. And I went to college mofucker. I just didn't stay.

Claibo
12-08-2008, 05:35 PM
16 semesters at a crappy backwoods JC dont mean shit nigg3a.

The Batman
12-08-2008, 05:38 PM
16 semesters at a crappy backwoods JC dont mean shit nigg3a.

lol. University of Kennesaw mother fucker. university.

Claibo
12-08-2008, 05:40 PM
lol. University of Kennesaw mother fucker. university.

you blew your teachers and still failed.

Charlatan
12-08-2008, 08:26 PM
Crack.. do you ever NOT talk about drugs?Go learn how to reduce one lousy Oxygen atom and then....http://boards.cannabis.com/images/smilies/custom/gthumb.gif
http://boards.cannabis.com/images/smilies/custom/e5cyippee.gifDo you have Down syndrome? There's no way drugs have fucked you up this badly by themselves, you must've started out retarded, too.

Charlatan
12-09-2008, 03:51 AM
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http://forum.gorillamask.net/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gif Batman = Bush....Bash... 12-08-2008 09:18 PM Claibo stfuWhat, you got a soft spot for Crack? Or is it downies?

vasili denisov
12-09-2008, 08:34 AM
Though this is a piece in a conservative paper, it commits the error of its antipodean cultural nemesis, the liberal arts grad student thesis, in talking about the connection between some artistic work and some event, without ever citing any evidence in the work of an intended connection. Such clues may be mild and oblique, not because the artist is trying to be "mysterious", but because such explicitness may go against their more subtle sensibility. However, they can should still be there.

Instead in this piece, there is:

There seems to me no question that the Batman film "The Dark Knight," currently breaking every box office record in history, is at some level a paean of praise to the fortitude and moral courage that has been shown by George W. Bush in this time of terror and war.
Since there is "no question", the explicitness of the connection between the two should be made in the film. A possibility would be if Batman were to make a statement that was a George W. Bush quote verbatim. Instead, the evidence given is:

Like W, Batman is vilified and despised for confronting terrorists in the only terms they understand. Like W, Batman sometimes has to push the boundaries of civil rights to deal with an emergency, certain that he will re-establish those boundaries when the emergency is past.
Since what's cited as actions and perceptions of these actions can be found in many movies which've preceded Batman and the war on terror, such as Dirty Harry or the French Connection, these things don't constitute a proof.

So what instead there is a writer seeking out what he sees as a reflective mirror for this war, one which instead provides a disturbing reflection of the writer himself. This war is one which has involved the sacrifices of millions, with the military often poorly served by its civilian counterpart. Many soldiers have been poorly used for their sacrifices, disabused of any belief that their executive holds their interests as highly as their own.

In choosing this movie, the writer reduces it to a military campaign as a fascist leader might view it. He is working entirely alone, the military of no substance except as an extension of himself. The sacrifices and loss are entirely his own. A president who has never served in active combat becomes the only figure who is in mortal danger. For this, he faces the persecution of a religious martyr, this persecution only further establishing his holiness.

So, this is what the writer wishes for: a holy obeisance to a leader, regardless of his actions, which will always serve a greater purpose. If that is not fascism, what is?

Left and right, all Americans know that freedom is better than slavery, that love is better than hate, kindness better than cruelty, tolerance better than bigotry. We don't always know how we know these things, and yet mysteriously we know them nonetheless.I single this out for the utter laziness in this piece. There is no "mystery" as to how we know that a seat at the table is better than the master's whip, soft lips over a spurned look, charity instead of rope burns, a common place rather than a slave's chase. The good and ill of either is well known to any man or woman, without need of theories or schools.

Archangel
12-09-2008, 08:42 AM
vasili, has it ever occurred to you that your talents might be wasted on a piece by an author who is fucked up enough to laud the "moral courage" of an incompetent puppet of mass murderers?