Biggest Fraud Ever (No, not the black race)

[Le Goat]

NEW YORK (Reuters) – Bernard Madoff, a quiet force on Wall Street for decades, was arrested and charged on Thursday with allegedly running a $50 billion Ponzi scheme in what may rank among the biggest fraud cases ever.
The former chairman of the Nasdaq Stock Market is best known as the founder of Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC, the closely-held market-making firm he launched in 1960. But he also ran a hedge fund that U.S. prosecutors said racked up $50 billion of fraudulent losses.
Madoff told senior employees of his firm on Wednesday that "it's all just one big lie" and that it was "basically, a giant Ponzi scheme," with estimated investor losses of about $50 billion, according to the U.S. Attorney's criminal complaint against him.
A Ponzi scheme is a swindle offering unusually high returns, with early investors paid off with money from later investors.
On Thursday, two agents for the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation entered Madoff's New York apartment.
"There is no innocent explanation," Madoff said, according to the criminal complaint. He told the agents that it was all his fault, and that he "paid investors with money that wasn't there," according to the complaint.
The $50 billion allegedly lost would make the hedge fund one of the biggest frauds in history. When former energy trading giant Enron filed for bankruptcy in 2001, one of the largest at the time, it had $63.4 billion in assets.
U.S. prosecutors charged Madoff, 70, with a single count of securities fraud. They said he faces up to 20 years in prison and a fine of up to $5 million.
The Securities and Exchange Commission filed separate civil charges against Madoff.
"Our complaint alleges a stunning fraud -- both in terms of scope and duration," said Scott Friestad, the SEC's deputy enforcer. "We are moving quickly and decisively to stop the scheme and protect the remaining assets for investors."
Dan Horwitz, Madoff's lawyer, told reporters outside a downtown Manhattan courtroom where he was charged, "Bernard Madoff is a longstanding leader in the financial services industry. We will fight to get through this unfortunate set of events."
A shaken Madoff stared at the ground as reporters peppered him with questions. He was released after posting a $10 million bond secured by his Manhattan apartment.
Authorities, citing a document filed by Madoff with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission on January 7, 2008, said Madoff's investment advisory business served between 11 and 25 clients and had a total of about $17.1 billion in assets under management. Those clients may have included other funds that in turn had many investors.
The SEC said it appeared that virtually all of the assets of his hedge fund business were missing.
CONSISTENT RETURNS
An investor in the hedge fund said it generated consistent returns, which was part of the attraction. Since 2004, annual returns averaged around 8 percent and ranged from 7.3 percent to 9 percent, but last decade returns were typically in the low-double digits, the investor said.
The fund told investors it followed a "split strike conversion" strategy, which entailed owning stock and buying and selling options to limit downside risk, said the investor, who requested anonymity.
Jon Najarian, an acquaintance of Madoff who has traded options for decades, said "Many of us questioned how that strategy could generate those kinds of returns so consistently."
Najarian, co-founder of optionmonster.com (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/nm/bs_nm/storytext/us_madoff_arrest/30222099/SIG=10qbkehre/*http://optionmonster.com), once tried to buy what was then the Cincinnati Stock Exchange when Madoff was a major seatholder on the exchange. Najarian met with Madoff, who rejected his bid.
"He always seemed to be a straight shooter. I was shocked by this news," Najarian said.
'UNFORTUNATE SET OF EVENTS'
Madoff had long kept the financial statements for his hedge fund business under "lock and key," according to prosecutors, and was "cryptic" about the firm. The hedge fund business was located on a separate floor from the market-making business.
Madoff has been conducting a Ponzi scheme since at least 2005, the U.S. said. Around the first week of December, Madoff told a senior employee that hedge fund clients had requested about $7 billion of their money back, and that he was struggling to pay them back.
Investors have been pulling money out of hedge funds, even those performing well, in an effort to reduce risk in their portfolios as the global economy weakens.
Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities has more than $700 million in capital, according to its website.
Madoff remains a member of Nasdaq OMX Group Inc's nominating committee, and his firm is a market maker for about 350 Nasdaq stocks, including Apple, EBay and Dell, according to the website.
The website also states that Madoff himself has "a personal interest in maintaining the unblemished record of value, fair-dealing, and high ethical standards that has always been the firm's hallmark."

[freegood]

Yeah... love the last sentence.

[Morfin]

I love this story, but can't help but be amazed at the amount of money involved: $50 billion in losses with $17.1 billion in assets. By one hedge fund. One of many. The same range of money being discussed with the Big 3. Stunning.

[vicar in a tutu]

Greed eh? It's almost as bad as avarice if you're asking for my opinion siblings?

This is surely why communism doesn't work you know? For all the good intentions of 'my neighbour is my brother' and 'all I earn goes to the state' et cetera, $50 billion could turn any mans head? a bit like Johnny Depp in Donnie Brasco?


Erm...

[The Batman]

"U.S. prosecutors charged Madoff, 70, with a single count of securities fraud. They said he faces up to 20 years in prison and a fine of up to $5 million."

What? WTF? He should get life, hung by his penis and fined at least 25 billion. With a B.

[Morfin]

Yeah, big whoop-dee-doo. $5 million and he's stolen up to $50 billion.

Sort of like Michael Milken when he got convicted. He had made upwards of $800 million - $1 billion, and the government fined him $400 million or so. Big deal: short prison term and he ends up with major money.

[The Batman]

Yeah, big whoop-dee-doo. $5 million and he's stolen up to $50 billion.

Sort of like Michael Milken when he got convicted. He had made upwards of $800 million - $1 billion, and the government fined him $400 million or so. Big deal: short prison term and he ends up with major money.

Seems like its completely worth the risk when its a short term and the fine is absolutely nothing.

[Morfin]

Fine for Milken who was in his early-40's; not so fine when you're 70.

[The Batman]

Fine for Milken who was in his early-40's; not so fine when you're 70.

Yeah, but now he is a 70 year millionaire who could run. and hide. with his millions.

[Claibo]

Yeah, but now he is a 70 year millionaire who could run. and hide. with his millions.

throw the book at em' ya'see...

[Claibo]

this shit makes me sick... I work my ass off trying to make it and these super rich fucks burn people out of their money all in the name of greed... as if they even really need it.

[Morfin]

Yeah, but think of all the wealthy people who invested in the hedge fund who lost all their money. Suckers.

[taters]

The hilarious irony of this post is that it (or at least its title) will be received without so much as a blink of an eye from the same retards here who will claim I am a racist for defending people against such racism.


You stay classy Goat. Youre existence and others here reaction to you serves as validation to every post I make.

[Kerjack]

Yeah but the difference is Goat knows he is racist.

[Archangel]

And he knows the meaning of the word "irony".

[moe_blunts]

Apparently the guy who owns the New York Mets lost $100,000,000 to this guy.

[Mustard]

What is that old saying I keep tucked away in my brain when it comes to my money?

Oh yeah, thats it... Trust nobody.

[taters]

Yeah but the difference is Goat knows he is racist.

Thats an excuse?

When have I made racist claims? Unless you are of the Claydon-born "Conservatives are a race" school of thought. I guess its ok for a white guy to be a racist and make blatant racialist claims, but if a black guy so much as mentions race in a defensive tone, it makes him a racist. Nice.

You are right. At least hes not a hypocrite about it. Cant say the same for a few of you here.

And he knows the meaning of the word "irony".


Your Aryan Forefathers (who probably would have executed or at least sterilized you for being a 'mongrel') would be proud.

[Archangel]

When have I made racist claims? Unless you are of the Claydon-born "Conservatives are a race" school of thought. I guess its ok for a white guy to be a racist and make blatant racialist claims, but if a black guy so much as mentions race in a defensive tone, it makes him a racist. Nice.
Ahem.
Your Aryan Forefathers (who probably would have executed or at least sterilized you for being a 'mongrel') would be proud.

It takes a special kind of idiot to be so unable to comprehend irony.

Also, Goat > you. He makes a thread title obviously designed to bait you, and what do you do? Oblige him. Do exactly as everyone expects, and as he intended. He might as well have called this "watch tater act a jackass".

[Archangel]

Tater is like the resident jihadist. Say "black people are stupid", and he will go out of his way to act the biggest retard possible, just like those guys torching embassies in protest when somebody suggests that Islam is violent.

[freegood]

Goat leads my local Klan chapter.

[taters]

Goat leads my local Klan chapter.

I know. I applied via their new affirmative action program, but was turned down because I still had too many of my natural permanent teeth. Ill give it a few years and re-apply.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/544/clayton5tdjy1.jpg

Tater is like the resident jihadist. Say "black people are stupid", and he will go out of his way to act the biggest retard possible, just like those guys torching embassies in protest when somebody suggests that Islam is violent.


Wow, first Im a heathen anti-Christian atheist, now Im a Muslim who torches embassies. I guess Im moving up in the 'Archangel threatened' groups. Is the next one French-Parsi suicide bomber? Your skills at analogy and blatant religious hate/ethnocentrism and your blind acceptance of white racism would make your german forefathers proud.

Probably not proud enough not to gas you, but proud all the same. Well, back to my anti-christian embassy flaming...maybe Ill perform an interracial gay marriage and join a union on the way! Its good to be taters. Yallalalalalalala!

[mongo]

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/544/clayton5tdjy1.jpg



stupid ******. ribbit.

[Archetype]

Wow, first Im a heathen anti-Christian atheist, now Im a Muslim who torches embassies. I guess Im moving up in the 'Archangel threatened' groups. Is the next one French-Parsi suicide bomber? Your skills at analogy and blatant religious hate/ethnocentrism and your blind acceptance of white racism would make your german forefathers proud.

Probably not proud enough not to gas you, but proud all the same. Well, back to my anti-christian embassy flaming...maybe Ill perform an interracial gay marriage and join a union on the way! Its good to be taters. Yallalalalalalala!

You don't actually read anybody else's posts, do you?

[taters]

You don't actually read anybody else's posts, do you?

Did you just quote me telling you that over in the atheist thread and forget to tag it as such? Because you didnt read my post, then asked about it, then when I reposted it you still didnt read it and asked again.

Are you not seeing my posts or something, because Im starting to get the feeling you simply cant read the posts you comment on. If thats not the case, by all means let me know.

Also, Goat > you. He makes a thread title obviously designed to bait you, and what do you do? Oblige him. Do exactly as everyone expects, and as he intended. He might as well have called this "watch tater act a jackass".


Forgot to reply to this. I dont think Goat focuses on me as much as you do.

He was making such racist posts, threads and sigs when he arrived here. He made after I left the forum. Hell, he makes many I dont even respond to. As previously said, he hasnt changed his modus in his tenure here, regardless of my presence. Nor will he.

Also, he's not E-stalking me on the GMF like you are (not that its not appreciated).

FAIL. Try again.

[Archetype]

I posted mine first, thank you very much.

[taters]

I posted mine first, thank you very much.

WTF are you talking about? You asked me where was the nietzsche atheist quote. I requoted it and you didnt understand what you read? Dude, I want whatever you are smoking. Is it cheap?

[Archetype]

I can tell you what it's not: Colt 45.

[vasili denisov]

"U.S. prosecutors charged Madoff, 70, with a single count of securities fraud. They said he faces up to 20 years in prison and a fine of up to $5 million."

What? WTF? He should get life, hung by his penis and fined at least 25 billion. With a B.
You've got a ceiling of 25 years on security fraud. Since the federal government will probably be last in line as creditor behind those who were bilked by the fund, they could fine him a dollar and they probably wouldn't collect it.
Yeah, big whoop-dee-doo. $5 million and he's stolen up to $50 billion.

Sort of like Michael Milken when he got convicted. He had made upwards of $800 million - $1 billion, and the government fined him $400 million or so. Big deal: short prison term and he ends up with major money.
It was a plea deal, and probably had to be a plea deal, because the details of the case were very complicated. The most important demand was keeping Milken away the rest of his life from the bond market, that was done, and that probably hurt him more than taking his money. He used his money to keep score of his financial skills, not being able to exercise those skills was like taking a top athlete at the tippy top of his league who ate and slept game, then told him he could never play again.

At the height of his career, he owned a second-rate TV and a VCR that didn't work, he clocked ten figures, and lived worse than guys on six. In terms of deterrent, the only way for his high-yield bonds to work was through the network he set up through collusion and intimidation; once he was taken out, that risky security was no longer viable, so it's not like you needed a harder punishment to discourage other players, since there weren't any who were putting out junk bonds successfully.

[Archangel]

I've yet to meet anybody in whom the divergence between self perception and reality was as blatant as this little faggot here. tater actually thinks he's worth something or that he means anything to anybody here, more than any annoying, insignificant gnat. He needs to believe that people are "stalking" him when all they do is call him a retard.

Seriously, you just categorised the entire German people as genocidal gassing murderering barbarians, and you have the gall to call anybody else racists? Especially since in the 19th Century alone, Germany contributed more to the world than billions of "your" people since, well, forever.

Seriously, jackass, stop believing you're anything but a hateful, bitter, ignorant, stupid, blinded, insignificant, semi-literate victim.

[Claydon]

[quote=Archangel;295462]
Seriously, you just categorised the entire German people as genocidal gassing murderering barbarians, and you have the gall to call anybody else racists?
[quote]


But you all were the best dressed genocidal maniacs.

[Le Goat]

Ahem.

It takes a special kind of idiot to be so unable to comprehend irony.

Also, Goat > you. He makes a thread title obviously designed to bait you, and what do you do? Oblige him. Do exactly as everyone expects, and as he intended. He might as well have called this "watch tater act a jackass".

it worked like a fucking charm.

[taters]

I've yet to meet anybody in whom the divergence between self perception and reality was as blatant as this little faggot here. tater actually thinks he's worth something or that he means anything to anybody here, more than any annoying, insignificant gnat. He needs to believe that people are "stalking" him when all they do is call him a retard.

YOu really seem to be focusing on me and my posts for a guy whos claiming not to. Its ok. I roll like that. Dont fight it.

Seriously, you just categorised the entire German people as genocidal gassing murderering barbarians, and you have the gall to call anybody else racists? Especially since in the 19th Century alone, Germany contributed more to the world than billions of "your" people since, well, forever.


The guy who just tried to correct me (albiet incorrectly) on a sense of 'irony', then calls me by a homophobic slur against gay people, a 'faggot', now is bitching about me generalizing him and his nation? Who really needs the a lesson in 'irony'?

At that, you got my quote about Germans wrong anyway. I said your nation is known most for its genocides in popular culture. Sorry, thats just the case. How many american movies with a focus on anything german (usually german history) do you see with focus on non-nazi related things? Not many.

I also said they would gas gyou for being a mongrel if you lived in that time. Sorry, thats actually the case. You claimed to be half korean. Ever read mein kampf (I mean really read, not look up on the internet and claim you did after showing you most certainly hadnt, ala the atheist thread)? The germans did not have a very positive idea of 'mongrels', specifically asian white people (slavic people were the specfic example but it doesnt take much to elaborate).

By the way, my people are Americans, not Israeli. To be more specific, they are african americans. I dont know when 'your people' contributed these billions to mine (unless its by the way of hip hop cd sales), but you may want to check your receipts on that.

Seriously, jackass, stop believing you're anything but a hateful, bitter, ignorant, stupid, blinded, insignificant, semi-literate victim.


Wow, first Im a heathen anti-Christian atheist, now Im a Muslim who torches embassies. I guess Im moving up in the 'Archangel threatened' groups. Is the next one French-Parsi suicide bomber? Your skills at analogy and blatant religious hate/ethnocentrism and your blind acceptance of white racism would make your german forefathers proud.

Probably not proud enough not to gas you, but proud all the same. Well, back to my anti-christian embassy flaming...maybe Ill perform an interracial gay marriage and join a union on the way! Its good to be taters. Yallalalalalalala!

[Claydon]

seems to me that tater annoys the fuck out of everyone.

even more than I do!

[Le Goat]

seems to me that tater annoys the fuck out of everyone.

even more than I do!

Your faggotry is tolerable and somewhat entertaining... him, well, he's a ******. I know that's not a big surprise, but it's really all the reason I need to give.

[Kerjack]

Goat is the repercussions of the white man being told everything they do is racist always for the last 30 years.

As is Tater I suppose.

[Kerjack]

All in all, who gives a hoot? Racist man is racist, other racist man is racist. So the world turns.

[taters]

seems to me that tater annoys the fuck out of everyone.

even more than I do!

At the end of the day, at least Im still not a stalker.

Also, Im not racist (or accepting of racist views). Something all 3 of the previous posters seem to have in common.

Likewise, Im also the only black person here. Considering I already think you are mostly all racist, any ire aimed at me will defacto be written off a racism to me. And why shouldnt it? Youve all shown racist beliefs or acceptance of them.

Would you ask a jew why a lot of posters on st0rmnfr0nt are always pissed at him? (there was, and some did shockingly enough...your ilk arent the most brilliant of folks goat)

[Kerjack]

Likewise, Im also the only black person here.


Incorrect.

[Le Goat]

Likewise, Im also the only black person here.


bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hahahahahahahaahahahhaahah


Wrong AND I like the other black posters. They're white in my book.

[Kerjack]

Also Taters av makes me laugh.

[Le Goat]

Also Taters av makes me laugh.

It's the first thing taught in the Academy. Though it's no secret it should be the first thing taught in Public SChool

[Morfin]

Likewise, Im also the only black person here. Considering I already think you are mostly all racist, any ire aimed at me will defacto be written off a racism to me. And why shouldnt it? Youve all shown racist beliefs or acceptance of them.

Would you ask a jew why a lot of posters on st0rmnfr0nt are always pissed at him? (there was, and some did shockingly enough...your ilk arent the most brilliant of folks goat)

Personally, I do not believe I am a racist. The fact that you "write off" all of the criticism directed toward you as being "racist," shows what type of person you are -- you fail to understand (or are in denial) that people actually can disagree with you and it being for intellectual -- not racial -- reasons.

I don't like Goat's or others' racist views, in this forum, I'm just going to roll my eyes and move on. But, the difference here, in my opinion, is that Goat does not deny; you try to deny what I, and apparently many others, believe: you are just as racist. Christ, look at your statement assuming that criticism is racial. 'Nuff said.

[Archetype]

I'd willingly be banned if it meant taters was also banned.

[Archangel]

I really love how some retard with a victim complex, 2nd grade spelling and kindergarten reasoning actually believes that he is intelligent or knowledgeable.

I mean, it must be a great life, being able to dismiss any criticism or disagreement eo ipso as racist, and hence void; having the luxury of knowing that having an opinion is the same as being correct. The problem, of course, is that when you're such an annoying, loudmouthed, boorish and opinionated cunt, most people will rightfully criticise you.

Thus:

Considering I already think you are mostly all racist

Anybody who's smarter than him (most people) is therefore a racist.

And since anybody who would agree with him must necessiter be an even bigger idiot than himself, it'll be hard for him to ever learn anything... So the only reason he would come to a place where everybody hates him because everybody's a racist must be, well, to make as much of a nuisance of himself as humanly possible. The word "troll" comes to mind.

But again, it's okay to over-estimate oneself. But him honestly believing that he could debate me is like me being utterly convinced that I could race Michael Schumacher, and blaming the inevitable humiliation (if even recognised as such) on everything from the weather to conspiracies.

The thing about retard children throwing tantrums, though, is that while entertaining at first, they tend to get old after a while.

[Phil Theehor]

Considering I already think you are mostly all racist, any ire aimed at me will defacto be written off a racism to me. And why shouldnt it? Youve all shown racist beliefs or acceptance of them.


What the fuck is that? Are you shitting me? Your dumb ass is doing an awful lot of generalizing there, chief. I'll ask you to please rethink and restate that.

[Morfin]

I'd willingly be banned if it meant taters was also banned.

Way to jump on the grenade for us. Thanks.

[Insomniac]

When you people keeping quoting people on my ignore list, it kind of defeats the purpose of having them on it, doesn't it?

[Archangel]

That gives me an idea.


How about everybody just ignores tater, and at the end of the day, we just delete his posts?

[Claydon]

That gives me an idea.


How about everybody just ignores tater, and at the end of the day, we just delete his posts?

I like your thinking there!

[Kerjack]

Tater rulez, nuts to you!

[taters]

What the fuck is that? Are you shitting me? Your dumb ass is doing an awful lot of generalizing there, chief. I'll ask you to please rethink and restate that.

See my earlier post. I will qualify that statement by saying not all of you here or even most as far as I know are racist or accepting of bigotry. But a few of you are, and a good number of them are ones who are claiming I am.

Im called the 'black racist' of the forum, despite the fact I have never made any racist comment towards any group. At the same time, the forums reknown white supremacist wannabe, Goat, makes and has always made consistent blatantly racist comments and these same douchebags either look past such commentary without criticizing or agree with/laugh at his racism.

Im not criticizing him for his bigotry, he hasnt changed and hes not lying to anyone about it. Im criticizing the douvhes here who agree with him or look past his statements while calling me a racist sans any racist commentary on my behalf (CLaydons stalker ass, Archangel, a few others).

Double standard.

For those of you new(er than I) to the forum, ask the mods about banning me. Its been done. SEVERAL times. Even had polls to decide who would be banned back in the day (Goat won that pick). At one point I had -1million neg points. Not one of those things quelled my commentary, or changed my opinions. Thats not even considering the other forums I frequent. Keep whining about me if it makes you feel better. You may want to ask a few more senior posters how well thats worked in the past (Including Goat...even Yelram).

If theres one thing clear on this forum kids, its that I dont give a fuck what any of you think. Why? See the above quoted post. I know many of you here want so bad for the acceptance and agreement of others here. Good luck. Its not may bag.

[Satan]

See my earlier post. I will qualify that statement by saying not all of you here or even most as far as I know are racist or accepting of bigotry. But a few of you are, and a good number of them are ones who are claiming I am.

Im called the 'black racist' of the forum, despite the fact I have never made any racist comment towards any group. At the same time, the forums reknown white supremacist wannabe, Goat, makes and has always made consistent blatantly racist comments and these same douchebags either look past such commentary without criticizing or agree with/laugh at his racism.

Im not criticizing him for his bigotry, he hasnt changed and hes not lying to anyone about it. Im criticizing the douvhes here who agree with him or look past his statements while calling me a racist sans any racist commentary on my behalf (CLaydons stalker ass, Archangel, a few others).

Double standard.

For those of you new(er than I) to the forum, ask the mods about banning me. Its been done. SEVERAL times. Even had polls to decide who would be banned back in the day (Goat won that pick). At one point I had -1million neg points. Not one of those things quelled my commentary, or changed my opinions.

If theres one thing clear on this forum kids, its that I dont give a fuck what any of you think. Why? See the above quoted post.
whatever, fag.

[taters]

whatever, fag.

Heh, aaaaw dont be like that. We had such good times...

[Phil Theehor]

Im called the 'black racist' of the forum, despite the fact I have never made any racist comment towards any group.

But you do hate the gays. It's not exactly the same as racism, yes, but bigotry is bigotry.


If theres one thing clear on this forum kids, its that I dont give a fuck what any of you think.

Okay, so the previous one was a shot (in good humor). Let it go, please, and actually read what I am going to write.

Saying that the opposing opinions put forth on a forum do not matter to you (and worse, that nobody can change your mind) really runs contrary to the spirit of a forum.

I, for one, would not want you silenced, Taters, nor would I want you to go away. Yes, we are going to disagree upwards of 90% of the time. But that is precisely why I come here-- to hear from people who do not think like I do (and porn, I do come here for porn). If I only sought to converse with those who share my own views, what would I ever learn? What would ever cause me to question my own opinions?

Frequently the discourse serves only to validate what I believe. But sometimes, I will adjust my thinking after hearing the other side. And that's the value of discussion. Only an intellectual weakling would seek to hear only those beliefs that validate his own.

Now, if you agree with the value of the big tent of ideas, then you are going to have to deal with some that you find wild, or even offensive. Starting a pissing match or a name-calling contest with everyone who offends you is counterproductive (not that I don't like throwing out a "douchebag" or "numbnuts" in the course of honest debate).

And the evidence is right here. Instead of talking about the thread topic, the thread had devolved into "Goat hates teh blacks" and "Taters hates everyone else."

And understand, please, that you are not going to convert all of the opposing voices just by shouting them down. You and I will still disagree at the end of most threads. However, we will both be better off by knowing how the other side thinks and feels.

So, I will invite you to ease back on the stick a bit. Don't let yourself be baited so easily. You might find more of what you seek here.

[Claydon]

If tater were my employee, I would make sure to pay him 12.1% less.

[Satan]

Wait, you'd hire a black guy in the first place?

[Claydon]

Wait, you'd hire a black guy in the first place?


Yah, and make him come in through the back door.

[Phil Theehor]

You're not helping

[Insomniac]

Yah, and make him come in through the back door.

Tater likes it in the back?

[Claydon]

You're not helping


I say give the child what he wants. He was sold a bill of goods, that everything is against him, that the white man is out to oppress him, that the very foundations of this country are out to get him (even though we just elected a black man as president).

[Le Goat]

See my earlier post. I will qualify that statement by saying not all of you here or even most as far as I know are racist or accepting of bigotry. But a few of you are, and a good number of them are ones who are claiming I am.

Im called the 'black racist' of the forum, despite the fact I have never made any racist comment towards any group. At the same time, the forums reknown white supremacist wannabe, Goat, makes and has always made consistent blatantly racist comments and these same douchebags either look past such commentary without criticizing or agree with/laugh at his racism.

Im not criticizing him for his bigotry, he hasnt changed and hes not lying to anyone about it. Im criticizing the douvhes here who agree with him or look past his statements while calling me a racist sans any racist commentary on my behalf (CLaydons stalker ass, Archangel, a few others).

Double standard.

For those of you new(er than I) to the forum, ask the mods about banning me. Its been done. SEVERAL times. Even had polls to decide who would be banned back in the day (Goat won that pick). At one point I had -1million neg points. Not one of those things quelled my commentary, or changed my opinions. Thats not even considering the other forums I frequent. Keep whining about me if it makes you feel better. You may want to ask a few more senior posters how well thats worked in the past (Including Goat...even Yelram).

If theres one thing clear on this forum kids, its that I dont give a fuck what any of you think. Why? See the above quoted post. I know many of you here want so bad for the acceptance and agreement of others here. Good luck. Its not may bag.

I love how you rant and rant and rant then end it with 'OMG, LIKE, BUT, REALLY I DON'T CARE ABOUT WUT JOO GAIZ TINK OF MEEEE!!!!'

It's like picking on a fucking kindergarder.

[freegood]

Yah, and make him come in through the back door.

Tell him how you really feel.

[Claydon]

Tell him how you really feel.

You want I should put on a white sheet?

[Satan]

You want I should put on a white sheet?
You do that. I'll get the cross and goat will bring the rope and torches.

[Le Goat]

You do that. I'll get the cross and goat will bring the rope and torches.


and the truck



LETS MAKE US SOME MISSISSIPPI WIND CHIMES BOYS!

[Claydon]

cue the music from Mississippi Burning.

[Kerjack]

YDwDKMafZoA#

[Archangel]

I wonder if it has ever crossed tater's mind that the reason why people think that he's an insufferable cunt has got nothing to do with racism, but the simple fact that he is, well, an insufferable cunt. I mean, a lot of people here don't like me, but I don't go assuming that it's because of anything but my personality...

But then again, just assuming a priori that anyone who disagrees is a racist is far easier than self reflection, obviously. The extent of mechanisms tater has to prevent himself from ever having to actually think are frankly staggering.

[taters]

Originally Posted by Phil Theehor
But you do hate the gays. It's not exactly the same as racism, yes, but bigotry is bigotry.
But its not 'racism'. Im not arguing which is worst, but does it make sense to call a homophobe a racist?

That being said, I dont hate gay people. Seriously. Dont buy into claydons bs posting. I accidentally posted that I supported prop 8 when I should have typed opposed it. Frankly, I have no problem with gay marriage, and honestly think marriages religious terminology should be stripped from the common law and we should only recognize marriage in the legal sense. Technically, all the rights and priviledges of marriage can already be conferred between any two (or more) parties contractually, but they shouldnt have to go through all that if everyone else doesnt. But thats a whole other bag of worms.

Even if I did hate gay people (which I dont), seriously, this forum is full of people who make the most racist, sexist, xenophobic and ethnocentric commentary. What difference would it make for me to need to lie about that (or anything really) here in the first place? So some guy who makes a faux n-word joke in every other thread can tell the guy who thinks we should cull all muslims 'tater is a bigot'?

Think about it.



Okay, so the previous one was a shot (in good humor). Let it go, please, and actually read what I am going to write.
I told you, I dont hold grudges over the internet. And yes i recognized it was a shot and it doesnt bother me...Im actually in a good mood due to an 'extended' weekend right now.

Saying that the opposing opinions put forth on a forum do not matter to you (and worse, that nobody can change your mind) really runs contrary to the spirit of a forum.
Opposing opinions matter, to an extent, to me. Opinions of me, whether near deification or utter disdain, dont. The reason is obvious. I would hope they wouldnt matter to anyone really, unless you know the posters in real life somehow. As I keep saying, to me, this is all just text on a screen. So am I to all of you.

A few of you here get soo worked up about my posts, it almost eggs me on to press my point further. Seriously, Arch went as far as making a poll of 'whos worst'. Like some kind of high school bulletin board. And hes not the first. Each time, I always end up saying the same thing. It doesnt matter to me. It shouldnt to anyone, IMO.

:
I, for one, would not want you silenced, Taters, nor would I want you to go away. Yes, we are going to disagree upwards of 90% of the time. But that is precisely why I come here-- to hear from people who do not think like I do (and porn, I do come here for porn). If I only sought to converse with those who share my own views, what would I ever learn? What would ever cause me to question my own opinions?
We have much in common Phil. I do come for that reason as well. the difference is, it seems a few here get bitchy or cry and whine when I make my views apparent. Then when they cant argue their views validity, they do what most non-intellectuals do when they cant make a solid argument, either ignore the point, or attack the arguer. Ive noticed the more I stick on point, the more a few posters (specifically claydon, and Arch of late) get off the point. They dont even bother arguing, and its not out of 'proving their point', because they know they havent once they get proven wrong (nietzsche wasnt an atheist = example), their only retorts are trollish attacks and ignoring statements.

I dont mind it, but that doesnt mean its going to stop me from getting a few of my jollies jabbing at their little fallacious arguments and hypocritical claims.

:
Frequently the discourse serves only to validate what I believe. But sometimes, I will adjust my thinking after hearing the other side. And that's the value of discussion. Only an intellectual weakling would seek to hear only those beliefs that validate his own.

Now, if you agree with the value of the big tent of ideas, then you are going to have to deal with some that you find wild, or even offensive. Starting a pissing match or a name-calling contest with everyone who offends you is counterproductive (not that I don't like throwing out a "douchebag" or "numbnuts" in the course of honest debate).
You are right, but look back through the forum. The atheist thread, this one, all the others in this rebooted GMF. Youll note I NEVER start the name calling. It was true in the old forum and its true here (had to prove it there too). Usually, I dont even follow it up. You can thank Arch for this latest round.

Ill respond in kind, if for kicks if nothing else, but I dont jump into a thread and name call. The usual modus operandi of a thread in which I post goes this way=

Thread made

Comment

Tater comment

x - counters tater comment

tater debates

x - throws in small ad hominem or unrelated side comment (usually spelling, but recently its been race)

tater repeats

x - ignores debate, goes right into the ad hominem attacks

tater requotes his debates, counters

x - plays the 'Im not even reading your posts, but Im replying to every post you make even if not related to the subject or to another poster'


Youll find Claydon, Arch, and if you were to ressurect the old forum, several others follow that trend to the letter (the Atheist thread fits it too the mark).

I cant be held responsible for how other posters respond, especially when I actually start on point, and its them who jump off (usually race baiting, slurs, or unrelated side shots).

And the evidence is right here. Instead of talking about the thread topic, the thread had devolved into "Goat hates teh blacks" and "Taters hates everyone else."
He did put it in the title of the thread. I mean, you dont go to pizza hut expecting to see seafood, particularly when 'pizza' is in the title ('not the black race) and youve been there before (we all know goats racist).
:
And understand, please, that you are not going to convert all of the opposing voices just by shouting them down. You and I will still disagree at the end of most threads. However, we will both be better off by knowing how the other side thinks and feels.

Ive said already that I am not here to change anyones opinion, nor do I expect to. Im not here to be the 'voice of the black man', as many of the more 'spirited' racialists would prefer. Im here (as I said in this thread, the atheist thread, the threads with claydon etc etc etc to infinite) to read some stuff, see some stuff, say my opinion and defend it when I wish to. Nothing more.

This isnt politico or WSJ forums. That being said, I will call out others BS and hypocrisy when they prompt me to.

Archangel - I wonder if youll read any of what I just posted. I doubt it, but it (along with the last 10 posts Ive made to you) would answer the questions you keep putting to everyone.

Im sorry you care so much about what people think of you here, but thats your problem not mine. Im not here for a popularity contest. If you ask nicely Ill vote for you in the next one put up, if its that important to you.

[Claydon]

I wonder if it has ever crossed tater's mind that the reason why people think that he's an insufferable cunt has got nothing to do with racism, but the simple fact that he is, well, an insufferable cunt. I mean, a lot of people here don't like me, but I don't go assuming that it's because of anything but my personality...

But then again, just assuming a priori that anyone who disagrees is a racist is far easier than self reflection, obviously. The extent of mechanisms tater has to prevent himself from ever having to actually think are frankly staggering.


I do not like you because you are a chinamen.

[Archangel]

The funny thing is tater sucking Phil's cock because he thinks Phil respects him ("oh, Phil, yu and I ar so alik"); for all his I-don't-give-a-fuck bravado, he does seem to be rather desperate for approval.

Even funnier:

http://forum.gorillamask.net/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif Biggest Fraud Ever (http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?p=295462#post295462) (No,... 12-15-2008 02:22 AM Phil Theehor (http://forum.gorillamask.net/member.php?u=199) and FYI, I'm fine with asinine ideas entering the discussion. only by all ideas competing (even the retarded) are you assured to get the best. the market IRL, just as it does here, ensures that the truly inane is shouted down (most of the time)

Looks like the little opportunistic twat's desired ally doesn't think too highly of him, poor tater.

But the funniest of all is the cunt trying to play the fucking victim here, the guy who tries his best to have a debate, and is unjustly attacked by the evil racist forum trolls.

The little whingy bitch.

[Archangel]

I'm pretty sure that his inability to understand hypocrisy is closely related to his inability to spell it...

[taters]

The funny thing is tater sucking to Phil because he thinks Phil respects him; for all his I-don't-give-a-fuck bravado, he does seem to be rather desperate for approval.

Even funnier:

http://forum.gorillamask.net/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif Biggest Fraud Ever (http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?p=295462#post295462) (No,... 12-15-2008 02:22 AM Phil Theehor (http://forum.gorillamask.net/member.php?u=199) and FYI, I'm fine with asinine ideas entering the discussion. only by all ideas competing (even the retarded) are you assured to get the best. the market IRL, just as it does here, ensures that the truly inane is shouted down (most of the time)

Looks like the little opportunistic twat's desired ally doesn't think too highly of him, poor tater.

But the funniest of all is the cunt trying to play the fucking victim here, the guy who tries his best to have a debate, and is unjustly attacked by the evil racist forum trolls.

The little whingy bitch.

Sweet. I tell you, I can read the fucking future some times. Someone better tap me for a lottery pick.

Archangel - I wonder if youll read any of what I just posted. I doubt it, but it (along with the last 10 posts Ive made to you) would answer the questions you keep putting to everyone.

Im sorry you care so much about what people think of you here, but thats your problem not mine. Im not here for a popularity contest. If you ask nicely Ill vote for you in the next one put up, if its that important to you.


LOL.

Also, what kind of douche bag trolls every post (and double posts at that!) around another guy asking other people to ask him questions, then doesnt read the responses? That is totally a douche move, my pompus deuscheland friend! Stop crying about me to your buds or the air or the imaginary internet gods and move on. Less you prove what Ive been saying about you all along...

[STDSkillz]

Even if I did hate gay people (which I dont), seriously, this forum is full of people who make the most racist, sexist, xenophobic and ethnocentric commentary.

Why exactly are you here, then? Spreadin' the good word? Savin' some souls?

[Archangel]

Oh, and tater, the day you prove me wrong on any philosophical topic is the day I beat Carmelo Anthony one on one. The fact that my post on that topic was about 3 miles over your head, and you went "i gugled neitse and athiest and got hitz so im rite" just shows your inability to comprehend both the concept of philosophical debate and the nature of superior intellect.

[taters]

Why exactly are you here, then? Spreadin' the good word? Savin' some souls?

Are you calling me a christian? Read my post man. Im bored of re-reposting things. I specifically said 'why Im here' in the previous post to phil, then before that in the atheist thread to arch, then again to arch, then before that to morfin, then before that to claydon. Its not hard to find.

My point in the quoted statement was that, well, who the fuck would care if I was homophobic? Would it matter in this forum?

Before you even try to say 'yes', look at the title of this forum, and think about it again.

Archangel - Neitzsche was an athiest.

There done. Youve been proven wrong. Either Carmello has an injury or you should be up for the draft pick.

[STDSkillz]

Are you calling me a christian?

Uh, no. I don't see why anyone would really take offense to that in the first place, but to each his own...

Read my post man. Im bored of re-reposting things. I specifically said 'why Im here' in the previous post to phil, then before that in the atheist thread to arch, then again to arch, then before that to morfin, then before that to claydon. Its not hard to find.

I'm confused as to why someone "fighting for equality" would post so much on an internet message board polluted with people who, what was it, author "racist, sexist, xenophobic and ethnocentric commentary." This is the Internetz--I don't see how it's progressive or meaningful.

[Archangel]

Archangel - Neitzsche was an athiest.

There done. Youve been proven wrong. Either Carmello has an injury or you should be up for the draft pick.

Such cunning reasoning, such great argumentation, such perfect eloquence. I, for one, am convinced.



Start punching your own weight, little boy. You're out of your league here. Oh, and by now, you should have gotten ONE "ie/ei" right by coincidence, and yet...

[PWalk]

On Maydoff the trickle down effect here hits hard to those not expecting it. Charities are going broke to the point where some have already closed down and the 300+ employees of the investment firm are now quite possibly all out of work with zero to nothing left in their 401k's that were managed by the firm itself. All this a week and a half before the holidays. I know I sit here and bitch alot about losing the money I have in the market which in the end is only 8.5% in loss. These people have nothing now. I'm not talking about the rich here I'm talking about the everyday day man and woman pulling down under $50k a year there at Madoff and others affected. Just terrible.

[Le Goat]

CALL TATER A ****** OR GTFO PWALK!

[TylerDurden]

is this tater vs. gmf thing intriguing and hilariously interesting to anyone else or is it just me?

[Le Goat]

Now you see why I do it!

[TylerDurden]

Now you see why I do it!

i almost feel guilty about liking it, kinda like pretending not to notice that i've stuck my penis in my gf's butt without telling her... but then she yelps and there's that instant of satisfaction and i'm guilt-free.

[Satan]

tater has been the source of this kind of entertainment for three, almost four years now.

[TylerDurden]

tater has been the source of this kind of entertainment for three, almost four years now.

really? that's odd. i only noticed him for the first time maybe a month ago.

[Le Goat]

really? that's odd. i only noticed him for the first time maybe a month ago.

Search the old forum. He stopped posting for about a year, so just search though June of 06 - january or so of 07. twas lulz.

[Claydon]

A black man served me my chai tea latte today....

felt great to keep another brother down!

[Archangel]

tater has been the source of this kind of entertainment for three, almost four years now.
It's like throwing rocks at a slow kid.
Only the retard thinks that the rocks are evil dragons, and that by swatting at them and crying a lot, he is slaying them, because reality would be impossible to handle...

[Pax Britannia]

Tater?
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii85/Raptor08_2008/120322389512qf3.jpg

[Weenis]

On Maydoff the trickle down effect here hits hard to those not expecting it. Charities are going broke to the point where some have already closed down and the 300+ employees of the investment firm are now quite possibly all out of work with zero to nothing left in their 401k's that were managed by the firm itself. All this a week and a half before the holidays. I know I sit here and bitch alot about losing the money I have in the market which in the end is only 8.5% in loss. These people have nothing now. I'm not talking about the rich here I'm talking about the everyday day man and woman pulling down under $50k a year there at Madoff and others affected. Just terrible.

Didn't the guy who owns the Mets lose a bunch in this too? I think a previous owner of the Eagles lost a bunch too.

[Archangel]

Tater?
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii85/Raptor08_2008/120322389512qf3.jpg

He seems to be able to use a computer: It's the proper use of the keyboard which seems to escape him.

[redsox39]

My favorite is his total lack of understanding. Like when you compared his "BEHAVIOR" to the "BEHAVIOR" of Muslims being violent to protest being called violent.

what did Taters take away from that comment? "Oh, so now I am Muslim?". WHAT??! Are you retarded? In no way, shape or form did anyone say you were Muslim.

then again, later on, Someone brings up that he is in here with what he calls Bigots, racists and homophobes, and why is he here? Saving some Souls?

Which is clearly pointing to Priests and Nuns going to Redlight districts trying to get some "sinners" off the street.

But What Does taters hear? "Are you calling me Christian?"

Seriously, I would be upset if Taters got banned. He makes every debate so much fun, and bring a unity like no one else can (against him)

[Nosebuckle]

I think we can all agree that racism is overrated.

[Archetype]

*underrated

[Morfin]

is this tater vs. gmf thing intriguing and hilariously interesting to anyone else or is it just me?

No, it bores me. I can deal with taters' arguments, what is irritating is his constant refrain that everyone who disagrees with him has failed to read his posts. In fact, I read his posts, they are almost-uniformly inane, and dismiss them. He has not come to grips with the fact that either his arguments, in general, suck or, that the failure to persuade anyone is due to his failure to clearly communicate his ideas.

Frankly, I would much rather read about rich people getting duped and losing huge amounts of money.

[Archangel]

Racist!

[Le Goat]

you rang?

[Archangel]

Yeah, I'd like to order the #3 xenophobe special, two medium grape sodas, and... what else is good?

[Pax Britannia]

Yeah, I'd like to order the #3 xenophobe special, two medium grape sodas, and... what else is good?

A side order of Genocide.

[taters]

Uh, no. I don't see why anyone would really take offense to that in the first place, but to each his own...



I'm confused as to why someone "fighting for equality" would post so much on an internet message board polluted with people who, what was it, author "racist, sexist, xenophobic and ethnocentric commentary." This is the Internetz--I don't see how it's progressive or meaningful.

Whos fighting for equality? You apparently didnt take my advice. I told you and posted (several times), I am not here to change your minds, or to be mr popular. Im here to post and fuck around. If thats why your here, good luck. Its not for me, never was.

I said this in this thread, I said it in like, the last 10 big threads here. Am I speaking greek? Is common lay english "Im not here to change your minds or agree with you" too hard a sentence to comprehend or is this actually a problem on the other end?

(Dont take that personally, its also going to the 3-4 other folks here who cant seem to grasp that sentence).

No, it bores me. I can deal with taters' arguments, what is irritating is his constant refrain that everyone who disagrees with him has failed to read his posts.

Oh? YOu yourself have done this. But were past that, so lets give a recent example. Lets look at STD's question, just 3 posts back-

Why exactly are you here, then?

Now, lets look at my post almost immediately before that one in which I specifically said to Phil

Ive said already that I am not here to change anyones opinion, nor do I expect to. Im not here to be the 'voice of the black man', as many of the more 'spirited' racialists would prefer. Im here (as I said in this thread, the atheist thread, the threads with claydon etc etc etc to infinite) to read some stuff, see some stuff, say my opinion and defend it when I wish to. Nothing more.


Now either I wasnt clear in that VERY specific sentence, or...he actually didnt read my post before replying and making a statement.



And thats just the most recent example. That very post was in reference to my statement to Claydon a while back, in which I said the same thing (Im not here to change minds or be popular). It happened with Arch and his BS 'Nietzsche isnt an atheist' claim, it happened with you on the thread we had our big debate over.


I keep repeating the same "Why I post" claim, and mysteriously the same posters seem to come up with either randomized amnesia or a bad case of text blindness.

IF you arent going to read the post, why lie about it? Especially when (as you just stated) you know Im just going to requote myself to show you didnt read it.

[Archetype]

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u50/jjmckool/Afroninja.gif

[Claydon]

good thing my HOA has a no blaxsors clause!

[Archangel]

So what tater is saying, he comes here because he's the only smart person in the world, and likes to show off his superiority to us lesser folk while laughing at our feeble attempts to argue with his superior mind and wit?

[Claydon]

So what tater is saying, he comes here because he's the only smart person in the world, and likes to show off his superiority to us lesser folk while laughing at our feeble attempts to argue with his superior mind and wit?

Isn't that your position with respect to yourself?


Herr Archangel?

[Archangel]

Nah, I come here to look at pics of naked ladies and pick up NBA trade rumours while making fun of overzealous retards who don't get irony.

[Claydon]

Nah, I come here to look at pics of naked ladies and pick up NBA trade rumours while making fun of overzealous retards who don't get irony.

All very worthy reasons.

[BIG PIZZLE]

A side order of Genocide.

Genocide is hardly a side order.

[Archangel]

Genocide is hardly a side order.

Depends. What the Germans and the Japanese did from '05-'45 was an all you can eat genocide buffet, while Armenia and Cambodia were, like, three-course meals. Rwanda was a big entrée, probably, as is Darfur: But compared to those, I think that one could justifiably describe Iraq, Equatorial Guinea and Bosnia as side orders.

[Claydon]

Depends. What the Germans and the Japanese did from '05-'45 was an all you can eat genocide buffet, while Armenia and Cambodia were, like, three-course meals. Rwanda was a big entrée, probably, as is Darfur: But compared to those, I think that one could justifiably describe Iraq, Equatorial Guinea and Bosnia as side orders.

iraq is a snack cake.

what the japanese were doing was a 10 course meal at the French Laundry in Napa Valley Ca.

[Archangel]

A friend of mine is an Iraqi Kurd refugee, and she might be inclined to disagree with your first statement.

[Claydon]

A friend of mine is an Iraqi Kurd refugee, and she might be inclined to disagree with your first statement.

Of course she would, as would I if I was a kurd.

The rape of Nanking one of the more famous examples of japanese civility has to be one of the most barbaric displays of human behaviors of during the industrial age.

Granted, using mustard gas/cyanide and other lovely munitions on the kurds was clearly horrific. The japanese made it personal....you know of what I speak.

[STDSkillz]

Whos fighting for equality?

Wait, so you're not fighting for equality of races? Now I'm really confused.

many words

Dude, I never said I read all (or any) of your posts. And I'm not going to read all of them (you've gotta admit that, even in this thread, you've written quite a bit) because I just don't have the time.

Before, I was simply pointing out the fact that if you have a problem with people on this board authoring racist comments, maybe you shouldn't be here. Maybe you'd be happier on other forums. That's all I was saying. Nothing more, nothing less.

[taters]

So what tater is saying, he comes here because he's the only smart person in the world, and likes to show off his superiority to us lesser folk while laughing at our feeble attempts to argue with his superior mind and wit?

Odd that a guy whos every post mentions me (Staaaaaalker), who seems to post in every thread I do, but in a circular "Im posting to others and telling them my interpretation of what you say, but not you" is calling me some kind of intellectual snob.

You dont think telling others what to think for them is a sign of that very snobness? Wait, what am I saying. You wont even read this post (yet youll somehow manage to reply to everyone else in some kind of bizzaro stereotypical leftist translation, essentially telling others they are too stupid to read my post, something you yourself have admitted to being).

I mean, not knowing nietzsche was an atheist is a sign of, well if not ignorance, lack of awarenes of popular culture.

[Archetype]

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u50/jjmckool/Scarednigga.gif

[taters]

^ Where do you get all of your black people related gif files? Seriously, I wasnt aware this was the big of a hobby since the days of ytmnd.

[Le Goat]

^ Where do you get all of your black people related gif files? Seriously, I wasnt aware this was the big of a hobby since the days of ytmnd.

www.ihateblacks.com

[TylerDurden]

I said this in this thread, I said it in like, the last 10 big threads here.

anyone else thinking this should have immediately thrown up a red fucking flag for taters? taters, how is this not a red flag for you?

[Okie Medicvet]

Depends. What the Germans and the Japanese did from '05-'45 was an all you can eat genocide buffet, while Armenia and Cambodia were, like, three-course meals. Rwanda was a big entrée, probably, as is Darfur: But compared to those, I think that one could justifiably describe Iraq, Equatorial Guinea and Bosnia as side orders.

What about all the violence that has taken place in East Timor..would that be an appetizer? just curious..

And I know I am 'in the minority', so to speak, I don't think the title was funny. I know you did it just to get tater's goat, goat, but still it was just another example of how you try to turn racism into something funny, which works for a lot of people I guess, just not me.

And to get to what the topic is supposed to be all about, I think it is awful what this man has done..there are some smaller charitable organizations that are going to have to shut their doors because of this, so it is far from only the rich and/or famous that has been affected..

I'm pissed at him for ripping off Elie Wiesel myself, does that make me a jew-lover? Break out the shoah jokes! I mean, c'mon really, let's see how truly tacky and tasteless we can all be in the name of being funny!

I am in suck a fucking chipper Christmasy mood, in case you couldn't tell already.

[TylerDurden]

I mean, c'mon really, let's see how truly tacky and tasteless we can all be in the name of being funny!

wut? srsly? did you forget where you were?

[The GWD]

I am in suck a fucking chipper Christmasy mood, in case you couldn't tell already.

Just because it's Christmas, I don't think Chipper Jones will let you suck him off.

[Mustard]

His real name is Larry.

[Archangel]

Odd that a guy whos every post mentions me (Staaaaaalker), who seems to post in every thread I do,

Do you really need to assume that just because somebody calls you a jackass, you're important to him? I keep telling you to be more aware of your own insignificance, yet you insist on being important to me.

See, I've had this pimple on my arse since yesterday. From time to time it itches, and when it does, I do concentrate on scratching it. However, it takes a special kind of idiot to believe that that pimple is the centre of my life - the only one who would believe that, in fact, would be that pimple itself, if for some reason it developed some self awareness.


As for the rest, in case you hadn't noticed, I moderate the sections in which you post. Technically speaking, you're posting in my threads. One of the things I like to do as such is expose trolling. Works like a bloody charm, too.

[Okie Medicvet]

Just because it's Christmas, I don't think Chipper Jones will let you suck him off.

godamnit. I was looking forward to it, it was going to be my early xmas present. now I am totally bummed.:(

[mongo]

Also, Goat > you. He makes a thread title obviously designed to bait you, and what do you do? Oblige him. Do exactly as everyone expects, and as he intended. He might as well have called this "watch tater act a jackass".

http://i41.tinypic.com/k0opht.jpg

[Archetype]

wut? srsly? did you forget where you were?
I will laugh at nearly every racist joke, and laugh loud. Funny that holds back because of politics just isn't funny. Yeah, fuck you Hillary Duff, I will not stop calling things GAY!! She's probably a ****** on the inside, anyway.

[taters]

I will laugh at nearly every racist joke, and laugh loud. Funny that holds back because of politics just isn't funny. Yeah, fuck you Hillary Duff, I will not stop calling things GAY!! She's probably a ****** on the inside, anyway.

Im sure on the internet or from a safe distance, its easy to laugh. The question lies would you laugh in the face of 2 or 3 black guys/gay people/mexicans/jews?

The net is full of people who swear yes to this, but I have yet to see it. Ive seen guys stop midsentence in a conversation, or change the conversation to something totally random to dodge it (In Wyoming I listened to a couple of old guys switch topic from 'black people capabilities' to 'being able to install a chip in the brains of cloned people'...shit you not).

[Archangel]

Im sure on the internet or from a safe distance, its easy to laugh. The question lies would you laugh in the face of 2 or 3 black guys/gay people/mexicans/jews?


The best Jewish jokes are told by Jews. The son of their ancestral father was called "laughter", for fuck's sake. The gay guys I know are secure enough to laugh at themselves. But you're right, I'd never tell a black joke or a Turkish joke when either are present, since I'd be liable to get stabbed.

[taters]

The best Jewish jokes are told by Jews. The son of their ancestral father was called "laughter", for fuck's sake. The gay guys I know are secure enough to laugh at themselves. But you're right, I'd never tell a black joke or a Turkish joke when either are present, since I'd be liable to get stabbed.

Really? Ive yet to ever see a jew laugh at a jewish slur uttered by a non-jew. Maybe thats how things work in modern germany though...I cant say.

I do know in America if you call a jewish person a k*** or a y** or call a gay person a fag (only not bliped because its been used here before), they dont 'laugh'. If they are members of the ADL or JDL, you may get stabbed, or worst.

[Archetype]

People usually play along, I dunno, maybe it's Canada. I've never been in one of those situations. I mean, there's social tact, you don't make one in an interview, but I can't think of a situation where I wouldn't laugh.

Oh, and slurs aren't jokes unto themselves.

[Archangel]

Really? Ive yet to ever see a jew laugh at a jewish slur uttered by a non-jew. Maybe thats how things work in modern germany though...I cant say.


I was laughing my nuts off exchanging Jewish jokes with Jews in bleeding Jerusalem.

Here's one of the famous ones I heard then, as told by the brilliant Ted Cohen:

Abe and his friend Sol are out for a walk together in a part of town they haven't been in before. Passing a Christian church, they notice a curious sign in front that says "$1,000 to anyone who will convert."
"I wonder what that's about," says Abe. "I think I'll go in and have a look. I'll be back in a minute; just wait for me.
"Sol sits on the sidewalk bench and waits patiently for nearly half an hour. Finally, Abe reappears.
"Well," asks Sol, "what are they up to? Who are they trying to convert? Why do they care? Did you get the $1,000?"
Indignantly Abe replies, "Money. That's all you people care about."


I do know in America if you call a jewish person a k*** or a y** or call a gay person a fag (only not bliped because its been used here before), they dont 'laugh'. If they are members of the ADL or JDL, you may get stabbed, or worst.

There's a major difference between a joke and a slur, and if I remember correctly, jj was only talking about laughing at jokes of a racially charged bent, not about slurs. The foremost purpose of any joke, no matter how offensive, is to entertain; a slur is designed exclusively to insult - anything else is collateral, secondary.

[Skybase]

While I worked at Best Buy we had a Gay front-end manager for awhile. he was great to joke around with about it. I have no problem telling jokes around them. And another of our managers was black (we have hardly ANY blacks around here. Like 2 families maybe) but I made jokes all the time. I think it shocked the other employees/my friends, but my manager would turn them right back around on me as well.

I'm not racist by any means and will tell jokes regardless of who/what they're about. I think this entire politically correct bullshit just makes things worse. It MAKES everyone tense and makes the situations uncomfortable. Just because we're not dwelling on things that have happened in the past to eachother doesn't mean we've forgotten or don't care, but to completely tiptoe around such things also keeps them alive in a way.

I was so upset when my son came home from school talking about "brown people" all of a sudden. He'd seen all sorts of people around town and never even took a second look. Never asked questions, nothing. They were just other people like us. Then the school system had a "section" on racism, races and made a big deal out of not treating different people differently and he came home completely different. Suddenly he was consciously aware that people were different in those ways. It wasn't just that everyone looked different anymore, it was GROUPS of people. It was us and "them". WTF is that all about? Our schools seem to be teaching this bigotry. Sure there are those out there that already have preconceived notions about other people, but perhaps it should be treated separately from making the entire school system/generation aware of these differences and make them uncomfortable with them.

[Phil Theehor]

I consider laughing at our differences the cornerstone of celebrating diversity.

[Archetype]

And racial superiority.

Hiyo!

[Okie Medicvet]

Bringing this thread back to the original topic (besides baiting taters, that is):


Tentacles of Madoff scandal reach far and wide

By ADAM GELLER
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NEW YORK -In the nonprofit legal center Steven Schwartz runs from a converted furniture store in Northampton, Mass., the e-mail was very good news: By week's end, a check for $243,000 would be on its way.
The money couldn't come soon enough. The sharp downturn in the economy had put Schwartz's group — working to improve treatment of teen offenders with mental illnesses — under very tight budget pressure. At least the check was a promise he could count on.
By that Thursday, though, events were unfolding 160 miles away that would upend those assumptions and assurances. In a federal courtroom in lower Manhattan, a Wall Street wizard stood before a judge, charged with running a $50 billion fraud that targeted scores of wealthy and powerful investors.
The name of the accused, Bernard L. Madoff, meant nothing to Schwartz and why should it? He'd never heard of the money manager with the beachfront mansion and the 55-foot yacht. They'd certainly never met. There was no reason to think they had anything in common.
Except, it turned out, the money.
In the days since Madoff's Dec. 11 arrest, the tale has repeatedly been told of wealthy victims who, perhaps naively, invested their trust in a man who promised financial miracles.
But the scale of the Madoff scandal can just as well be measured in its still-widening ripples, reaching far-flung people and causes — from a group helping just-released inmates find jobs in Rhode Island to another working to provide fresh food in poor neighborhoods in Detroit and Oakland, Calif.
Their future is now in jeopardy — a painful reminder of the financial web linking very different worlds.
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Signing up companies for office space in Manhattan skyscrapers made Norman F. Levy a very rich man.
In the hotly competitive but tight-knit world of New York commercial real estate, Levy worked across more than seven decades brokering leases in midtown's towers. When he died in 2005 at 93, he was hailed as an elder statesman of the trade whose zest for the deal was matched by his generosity with both friendship and money.
"Your spirit and love of life have touched and changed all who knew you," one friend of 40 years wrote in a paid death notice for Levy that ran in The New York Times. "You taught me so much. I'll cherish our relationship forever."
The friend was Bernard Madoff.
The real estate broker and the money manager were separated by 26 years, but they and their families had formed a friendship reinforced by shared interests, social circles — and trust.
Levy and Madoff were active in some of the same organizations, like New York's Yeshiva University. They donated their money to many of the same causes — groups including the Lincoln Center Theater and Gift of Life, a South Florida charity that tries to save Jewish leukemia victims by matching them with bone marrow donors.
In the summer, both families headed to the Hamptons. When Norman F. Levy died, he was staying at his daughter's house fronting the Atlantic in Montauk, just a few sprawling lots away from the mansion owned by the Madoffs.
For more than 30 years, the Levys also entrusted their personal investments to Madoff. When they chartered the Betty and Norman F. Levy Foundation — which reported assets last year of $244.4 million — as the vehicle for their charitable giving, they again put their trust in their longtime friend.
"My father believed in Bernie Madoff," Norman Levy's son, Francis — who declined to comment for this article — said in a recent interview with FOX Business News. "The one thing he said about Bernie (was), "If there's one honorable person, it's Bernie."
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Francis Levy, a novelist, and his sister, Jeanne Levy Church, had no reason to think otherwise.
When Norman Levy died, they took the helm of the family philanthropy, leaving the funds invested with Madoff, whose offices were housed in the same Third Avenue tower as the foundation.
The Levy Foundation continued donations to longtime favorite charities. But its biggest checks went to a new set of organizations created by Norman Levy's children to champion causes they embraced.
In 2000, Jeanne set up the JEHT Foundation, whose name is an acronym for Justice, Equality, Human dignity and Tolerance — originally to work on criminal justice reform, an area where funds are scarce. Last year, the Levy family financed JEHT to the tune of $29.9 million.
Levy Church, and her husband, Kenneth, "felt that they were fortunate in their life to have this remarkable amount of money and they felt they wanted to use it for less fortunate people," said Robert Crane, president of the JEHT Foundation.
Francis Levy co-founded the Philoctetes Center, a group dedicated to fostering discussions of everything from literature to economics. In 2007, the Levy Foundation financed Philoctetes with $950,000. Last year, Francis Levy invited his family's longtime friend, Madoff, to appear on a panel at the center to talk about the workings of Wall Street.
More recently, the Levy Churches formed another group, the Fair Food Foundation, based in Ann Arbor, Mich., which set out to find ways to get fresher, healthy food to residents of poor city neighborhoods starting with Detroit and Oakland, Calif.
None of the Levys' foundations are well-known to the general public. But they got an enthusiastic reception from groups across the country that were hungry for funding.
At the walk-in counseling office run by Rhode Island Family Life Center in a poor neighborhood in South Providence, a JEHT grant of $500,000 over two years paid staffers who help inmates just released from prison find housing and jobs. In 2007, the group provided services to 1,000 people.
A New Orleans group, Advocates for Environmental Human Rights, used a grant from JEHT to pursue a lawsuit charging "environmental racism" in the predominantly black Louisiana town of Mossville, where the soil and water are polluted by 14 surrounding factories.
And in Schwartz's program in Massachusetts, JEHT offered a three-year grant for work in Connecticut, Texas, Alabama and elsewhere to get states to reconsider treatment of teen offenders with mental health problems, encouraging them to send some home with therapy or provide it in detention centers.
The JEHT grant accounted for 26 percent of the Center for Public Representation's annual budget. Its importance became even more clear this fall when a state tax on real estate transactions that provides nearly as much of the group's funding dropped sharply with the collapse of the housing market, Schwartz said.
Still, Schwartz's staff of 11 was so certain of JEHT's backing that they moved ahead with new projects, spending about $25,000 in advance.
"We just trusted that we would get the money, and so rather than suspend the work until the check was in hand ... we do the work and expected the check will follow," Schwartz said.
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Crane, the director of the JEHT Foundation, was working late that Thursday evening when his cell phone rang. His benefactors, Jeanne and Kenneth Levy Church, were on the line.
"Are you sitting down?" they asked.
The couple told him they'd just come across a story online about the arrest of a New York money manager whose name soundly vaguely familiar to Crane. All the Levy Church's money was invested with Bernie Madoff. If it was gone, so was the foundation.
On Monday morning Crane sent an e-mail to people at nearly 150 groups around the country that count on his foundation for $25 to $30 million in funding each year. The checks they had been expecting would not be coming, he told them, and JEHT would close by the end of January.
Francis Levy's group, the Philoctetes Center, also announced it could not continue without a cash infusion. The Fair Food Foundation, announced it would close, delivering what its president, Oran Hesterman called "a stinging blow" to activists working to improve nutrition in poor neighborhoods.
Leaders of some of the groups funded by the foundations said they had not even been aware that their money came from the Levy family. Nor had they ever heard of Madoff.
Some groups, like the Rhode Island center that finds jobs and housing for former inmates, were relatively lucky. JEHT provides a third of its annual budget, but the check for 2009 had already been cashed. The impact will become clear next year when the group tries to replace that money in an economy that has made fundraising increasingly difficult, Executive Director Sol Rodriguez said.
For others, the impact was immediate. Between the JEHT closure and the drop in tax revenues, Schwartz's group has seen 48 percent of its budget vanish. On Wednesday, he called an emergency meeting with his staff. They've put juvenile justice projects in Texas and Alabama on hold. But those are emergency measures, not a solution.
"We don't have any money," he said. "I'm not sure what we're going to do."
It's a strange paradox, Schwartz and others in his situation say. All the attention swirling around Madoff has been about his wealthy lifestyle and the ultra-rich investors in places like Palm Beach and Hollywood and New York who lost their shirts. But few seem to understand the repercussions.
"It's very ironic that the very wealthiest in the country can have such a severe impact on kids on the low end of the totem pole," said Mark Steward, whose Missouri Youth Services Institute has relied on funding from the Levy family to help improve juvenile detention centers in Santa Clara County, California, Washington, D.C. and elsewhere.
If only Madoff knew, Steward mused — "Or maybe he does know."
"Sometimes, they just don't care."

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[mongo]

thanks for bumping a horrible, retarded, ****** loving thread you fat twat.

[Okie Medicvet]

Just for that, you don't get to go to Negril for my funeral when my ashes get scattered. And you are also out of the will!:p

[Alcestis]

Breaking News...

Madoff investor found dead, possible suicide...

NEW YORK - The founder of an investment fund that lost millions with Bernard Madoff was found dead Tuesday at his Madison Avenue office of a possible suicide, authorities said.

Authorities found Rene-Thierry Magon de la Villehuchet at 7:50 a.m. with no pulse at his office of Access International Advisors, located on Madison Avenue a couple of blocks from Rockefeller Center.

A French newspaper is reporting that the 65-year-old de la Villehuchet committed suicide. The New York medical examiner spokeswoman says it has not determined the cause of death yet.

Ok, when will Madoff take a leap?

www.msnbc.msn.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28368421)

[Morfin]

Ohhhh, noooo. He doesn't get to take the easy way out. He either does the Bhuddist monk douse-yourself-with-gas-and-light-the-match or he has to live it out in badman prison.

[Le Goat]

I hope he pulls a Bud Dwyer

[Morfin]

Video suicide + Internet = living forever.

[Kerjack]

Video suicide + Internet = living forever.

Living forever, dieing eternal, same diff right?

[Claydon]

Typical of a Frenchmen, giving up rather than fighting.