Offseason - I just can't quit you ~ Brett

[Penguin Rick]

And since 20 of the 32 teams will be watching the playoffs like us, we should probably start this too.

[mongo]

go lions!

[Mustard]

So the Pats end up 11-5 and don't get in... Maybe, just maybe, there is a God, and he has a sense of humor?

[opasewq]

trend of the loser of the super bowl doesn't make the playoffs the next year...but christ 11-5. Need a play in game with the Chargers.

[mongo]

"trend" is about as useful as "hunch" and anything out of joe morgan's mouth.

[Pollo]

trend of the loser of the super bowl doesn't make the playoffs the next year...but christ 11-5. Need a play in game with the Chargers.

dude, even if we had to face the Pats in an elimination game, it's going to be the same result as the regular season game where we killed the Pats.

[mongo]

boston fans bitch better than single black mothers.

[Limp]

Texans... FUCK YEAH!

[Snatch]

With the AFC East's scheduling, 11-5 is like 8-8.

[The Dude]

i cannot fucking believe brett favre is a pro bowler. the fact that he is a pro bowler is way more unconscionable than an 11-5 patriots team missing the playoffs over an 8-8 chargers team.

as far as the playoffs go, there's just no way around the current system without invalidating the divisions. the only remedy would be for an [x] win potential wild card team to face an 8-8 division winner. however, that can't work for many reasons:

1. is it 10 wins? 11 wins?
2. can two division winners from the same conference be 8-8 (don't know the math)
3. there isn't any time in the schedule (unless you count the extra week leading up to the super bowl.

fact is, as much as it sucks, there probably isn't a better system for determining the playoffs.

brett favre can go choke on mangina's dick though.

[The Dude]

With the AFC East's scheduling, 11-5 is like 8-8.


by that logic the chargers are about 2-14 this year

[Swurgen]

by that logic the chargers are about 2-14 this year

Yeah - that division has been a real juggernaut of competition for the last few years.

[Stax]

Miiiiami.

[Satan]

Miiiiami.
GTFO of this thread and enjoy your short lived playoff run.

The Niners made Singletary officially head coach right after the game yesterday. I have mixed feelings about him, he does some things well, but he's awful at others. He's a terrible game manager, planner, and all that shit. He's good at getting the players fired up, he's gotten them to make less mistakes and execute better...but he doesn't know jack about X's and O's. He's going to be at the mercy of his two coordinators.

Singletary: Run the play where the one guy runs that way and this guy runs the other direction
Coordinator: You mean double-cheesecake-in-slot-2X?
Singletary: Ummm...yes?
Coordinator: That's what I ate last night, coach. I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

[Penguin Rick]

I won the GMF NFL Pick 'Em for this year. See y'all next year.

[Satan]

I won the GMF NFL Pick 'Em for this year. See y'all next year.I didn't get in on that, what was your win percentage? I won the yahoo league I was in.

[Penguin Rick]

My final score was 127/256, so JUST under 50%.

So our league was pretty terrible lol.

[Satan]

That is terrible, who the hell was playing in that league? My win percentage was 166/256

[ADD]

Coaches fired!

Crennell in Cleveland (Cowher said "Fuck no")
Marinelli in Detroit
Mangina in NYJ

[Satan]

Marinelli fired? NO WAI!

[ADD]

I know, what a shocker

[janois]

Marinelli fired? NO WAI!
We were excited in Detroit for about 90 minutes from the time we heard that Marinelli was fired until the release that the interim GM was made permanent.
With Parcells being available now and Pioli out there Ford wouldn't even check it out? Detroit needs that man to die (since he'll never give up control) for the Lions to ever be competitive.
I should make an Emo thread for Lions fans.

[Aegis]

Maybe we'll get a 0-16 year a second time.

It's really all we have to hope for that's real.

[Pollo]

Big Tuna back to coaching again ... say it ain't so:

According to the Newark Star-Ledger, Dolphins VP of Football Operations Bill Parcells is telling those close to him that he would consider coaching again if the right situation comes about.

Parcells has an out in his contract if Wayne Huizenga sells the Fins to current co-owner Stephen Ross. ESPN reported Sunday that Parcells might jump to another team as GM, but the Star-Ledger says the Tuna would also be interested in coaching the talent he evaluates. Any team pursuing Parcells would obviously have to realize he's a short-term solution. If Parcells does return to the sidelines, the Jets would appear to be his best fit. Dec. 29 - 2:51 pm et

[shdaow]

Romo Faints from the Stench of what is the 2008 Dallas Cowboys after Philly Loss (http://www.sportsnet.ca/thewire/football/nfl/2008/12/29/romo_collapses_in_shower/)

[ADD]

He was blown away by all the naked cock in front of him

[JT]

"trend" is about as useful as "hunch" and anything out of joe morgan's mouth.

Joe Morgan is a saint! You take that back.

[Penguin Rick]

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2008/dec/28/chargers-s29chnotes/?chargers

Apparently, Darren Sproles is going to test free agency after this year, so the Chargers will either have to cut LT or keep Sproles, since it's too much money for a back-up RB. I don't know what I want the team to do here, since we obviously missed on Turner. I don't think Sproles is the same kind of back, but his ability to run screens and kickoffs is unparalleled and LT is old...

[Pollo]

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2008/dec/28/chargers-s29chnotes/?chargers

Apparently, Darren Sproles is going to test free agency after this year, so the Chargers will either have to cut LT or keep Sproles, since it's too much money for a back-up RB. I don't know what I want the team to do here, since we obviously missed on Turner. I don't think Sproles is the same kind of back, but his ability to run screens and kickoffs is unparalleled and LT is old...

I think it would be a huge hit if we lose Sproles. like you said, look at what happened w/o Turner -- why make the situation worse for LT next year unless AJ takes a top RB with his 1st round pick (since he doesn't have a 2nd rounder)?

[Pollo]

NFL announces '09 opponents (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/12/29/09-opponents.ap/index.html)

holy crap do the Dolphins have a TOUGH schedule. they'd be lucky to be 8-8 next year.

[Gary_Busey]

I would say our is just as tough.

Carolina
Home: Atlanta, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Philadelphia, Washington, Minnesota, Buffalo, Miami
Away: Atlanta, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Dallas, N.Y. Giants, Arizona, New England, N.Y. Jets

[Da Raider]

So the Pats end up 11-5 and don't get in... Maybe, just maybe, there is a God, and he has a sense of humor?

or maybe, just maybe, the fact that there are 8 four team divisions has everything to do with it. I've been bitching about this since they made the change. I really want them to go back to less divisions with more teams in them. But, I gotta admit, I love the fact that the Pats went 11-5 and didn't make the playoffs. Fuck you Belichick.

[shdaow]

Baltimore has got a nice schedule next year

Baltimore
Home: Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Denver, Kansas City, Indianapolis, Chicago, Detroit
Away: Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Oakland, San Diego, New England, Green Bay, Minnesota

Thats 9 pretty easily winnable games, with games greatly in the favour against Chicago and Denver.

New England is facing the prime of the NFL outside of our division... so we really got to stick it to Miami and the Jets next year.

[ADD]

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2008/dec/28/chargers-s29chnotes/?chargers

Apparently, Darren Sproles is going to test free agency after this year, so the Chargers will either have to cut LT or keep Sproles, since it's too much money for a back-up RB. I don't know what I want the team to do here, since we obviously missed on Turner. I don't think Sproles is the same kind of back, but his ability to run screens and kickoffs is unparalleled and LT is old...

Any more stud RBs the Chargers would like to raise for the rest of the NFL?


I <3 Michael Turner

[ADD]

Chicago
Home: Detroit, Green Bay, Minnesota, Arizona, St. Louis, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Pittsburgh
Away: Detroit, Green Bay, Minnesota, San Francisco, Seattle, Atlanta, Baltimore, Cincinnati


Ha ha, Thanks for fucking us management/Kyle Orton!

[shdaow]

We'll gladly take Sproles! He would be a great fit to succeed Kevin Faulk ;)

[nuclearjew]

Jacksonville
Home: Houston, Indianapolis, Tennessee, Buffalo, Miami, Kansas City, Arizona, St. Louis
Away: Houston, Indianapolis, Tennessee, New England, N.Y. Jets, Cleveland, San Francisco, Seattle
All those home games are winnable. IF they make the proper improvements in the offseason, Jags could be looking at the 12 wins they were supposed to have THIS year.

[Gary_Busey]

Ha ha, Thanks for fucking us management/Kyle Orton!
With that schedule, I'd be surprised if you guys don't get at least 10 wins.

[ADD]

With that schedule, I'd be surprised if you guys don't get at least 10 wins.

Kyle Orton

[shdaow]

With that schedule, I'd be surprised if you guys don't get at least 10 wins.

Only with the Sex Cannon under centre!

[bones12]

Broncos fired Shanahan. That is surprising, and very stupid.

[bpb]

I never thought he get fired.

[bones12]

He was one of those coaches that you just always assumed would be there year in and year out until he decided he didn't want to be there.

Holmgrem, Belichick, Fisher, Dungy...but I guess not Shanahan.

[mongo]

wow.

he could have a new job by tonight if he wanted.

[bones12]

All of the teams who have vacancies have to be pretty happy right now. Outside of the Browns (though I'm assuming they'll take Pioli/new hc over Shanahan mixed into 1), I don't know that any team with a vacancy will give him the control he had in Denver though, so I wonder if he'll sit out until he gets that. Maybe some teams who hadn't planned on having an opening this offseason will re-consider though...

[mongo]

All of the teams who have vacancies have to be pretty happy right now. Outside of the Browns (though I'm assuming they'll take Pioli/new hc over Shanahan mixed into 1), I don't know that any team with a vacancy will give him the control he had in Denver though, so I wonder if he'll sit out until he gets that. Maybe some teams who hadn't planned on having an opening this offseason will re-consider though...

my thoughts exactly.

[shdaow]

Why would you fire Mike Shannahan? Out of all the openings available right now, I'd say he'd go to New York or Cleveland (with more emphasis on the former). Do you think a team like the Chargers would fire their HC to hire him?

[misterfatt]

Broncos fired Shanahan. That is surprising, and very stupid.
as much as i loved shanahan in denver, it's time for change. he's had a free pass for the last ten years because of his friendship with bowlen and the consecutive superbowl victories.

the defensive line has been an issue for almost a decade. the defense as a whole has been a problem for the last few seasons and shanahan has not been able to correctly address the problem, regardless of the coordinators and star talent brought in.

since the john elway/terrell davis team, the broncos have made the playoffs only four times, being blown out in three of their five games.

the broncos had a ton of bad luck hit them this season with the never-ending list of injuries to their RB core, and key injuries to their defense, but it is still the second time in three seasons that the broncos have had a meltdown in the second half of their season.

[Kilgore]

As a huge Denver fan I completely agree with fatty. Fire the the whole coaching staff, all the way down to the trainer.

Heard it hear first, Cowher is going to be the next Broncos head coach.

[Lone Wolf]

Shanahan was a terrible personnel guy. He's blown draft picks all over the place and has gone through Defensive Coordinators like underwear. I think he's a good coach though.

[ShitBreak]

So Matty Ice got Rookie of the Year. SHOCKER, I know.

Now Mike Smith needs to get Coach honors, and Turner needs to finish in the top 3 in MVP voting.

Hell, Lofton might get a vote here or there for defensive ROY.

[mongo]

i have a feeling that coach of the year honors will end up in miami.

[Kilgore]

Shanahan was a terrible personnel guy. He's blown draft picks all over the place and has gone through Defensive Coordinators like underwear. I think he's a good coach though.I wouldn't go that far. He got Marshal in the 4th. Picked out Eddie who led all rookie WR this year. Tony in the second. Cutler was picked 3rd out of the qbs taken in his draft, and turned out to be the better then the ones picked before him.

[ShitBreak]

i have a feeling that coach of the year honors will end up in miami.

I do too. And that really doesn't bother me. But Smith should get a ton of votes too.

[shdaow]

Sparano will take it for sure.

[bones12]

Firing him as a coach was stupid, flat out, there are no better options, and he remains a great offensive mind.

Taking away his personnel responsibilities would have made much more sense, but he probably would have balked at that idea. The Broncos really have no talent on defense outside of Champ and a few others, and their injury situation was terrible, he can hardly be blamed for an 8-8 season. That said, they've got a lot of talent on offense, and bringing someone in to revamp the defense would have seemed like a much smarter move. Maybe he wouldn't have let that happen, and a change had to be made...but the Broncos will certainly take some steps back before forward after this move.

[Snatch]

Harbaugh's done a solid job, but I think Cam Cameron has the most to do with it.

[misterfatt]

I wouldn't go that far. He got Marshal in the 4th. Picked out Eddie who led all rookie WR this year. Tony in the second. Cutler was picked 3rd out of the qbs taken in his draft, and turned out to be the better then the ones picked before him.
he wasn't an idiot when it came to personnel moves, but he wasn't einstein either. scheffler, royal, marshall and cutler have all worked out and for the majority of the past four seasons, it looks as though they got the better end of the bailey/portis trade.

on the flip-side, he also imported the entire cleveland browns defensive line, signed an extremely overrated player in dre bly, and wasted first round picks on players like middlebrooks, lelie, and moss. and let's not forget the fact that he drafted maurice clarett in the third round. in my opinion, he also mishandled the MLB situation by moving DJ williams (and keeping him there) after cutting wilson.

[Swurgen]

Offseason - Why are Marvin Lewis and Herm Edwards still employed? (http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?t=13168)

Firing them would be racist.

[Penguin Rick]

I really think despite the injuries sustained by the Broncos this year, they were a pretty bad team. They had no defense whatsoever. That being said, I'm shocked Shanahan got fired. He seemed to have the owner's support and could keep the job as long as he wanted it.

Outside of Cowher and maybe Parcells, he's the best coach out there, so he shouldn't have any trouble finding a job by the fall.

[Genius]

I don't see how anyone could say that "there's nobody else better out there". There are three rookie head coaches taking teams to the playoffs this season, two of which were awful last year. There are probably literally hundreds of better options out there. Denver just has to find one.

[Da Raider]

I don't think that Tom Cable will be fired. No way Al Davis wants to go thru the embarrassment of college offensive coordinators turning down an NFL head coaching job. Unless he's entirely oblivious to the fact that it will happen again. Ahhh, never mind.

[The Batman]

I really think despite the injuries sustained by the Broncos this year, they were a pretty bad team. They had no defense whatsoever. That being said, I'm shocked Shanahan got fired. He seemed to have the owner's support and could keep the job as long as he wanted it.

Outside of Cowher and maybe Parcells, he's the best coach out there, so he shouldn't have any trouble finding a job by the fall.

Yeah, totally. That came from left field and who in the world will they get to replace him? Oh well, at least maybe now Detroit or the Browns can find a good coach in him. I am glad Kubiak stayed in Houston. I think we should give him one more year to see what he can do, but the Dallas coach needs a new job.

[The Batman]

I don't see how anyone could say that "there's nobody else better out there". There are three rookie head coaches taking teams to the playoffs this season, two of which were awful last year. There are probably literally hundreds of better options out there. Denver just has to find one.

How often do rookie coaches take a team to the playoffs? I am sure not often. It seems to me that what happened this year was a bit of a fluke, like Philly being in the playoffs.

[heelsguy]

NFL announces '09 opponents (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/12/29/09-opponents.ap/index.html)

holy crap do the Dolphins have a TOUGH schedule. they'd be lucky to be 8-8 next year.

NFC SOUTH
Carolina
Home: Atlanta, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Philadelphia, Washington, Minnesota, Buffalo, Miami
Away: Atlanta, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Dallas, N.Y. Giants, Arizona, New England, N.Y. Jets

7 out of 16 games are against playoff participants

[Gary_Busey]

That's what I said.

[Soup Nazi]

I have to preface this with saying that I am a huge Mike Shanahan fan, and that without him I probably would not be nearly as interested in football as I am today. However, the guy was given a free pass the past couple of years, and could not improve glaring weaknesses on the team. He was pretty mediocre (at best) in the front office, and not even more recent quality draft picks on the offensive can make up for some of his blunders in free agency and with the entire defense. He may still have some ability as a coach, but personally it seemed like after the first couple of drives even his "brilliance" could not be sustained throughout the course of games. Which is part of the reason why as a Broncos fan the past couple of years, you never felt safe with a lead.

We needed a change, now whether or not we will get a quality replacement remains unseen. However, unless he was willing to relinquish his personnel duties, I see no other way this could have ended.

[Gary_Busey]

I think it's a bad move. Prepare to suck ass next year while whatever team that picks him up has success. I'm thinking KC.

[Menace2Sobriety]

i cannot fucking believe brett favre is a pro bowler. the fact that he is a pro bowler is way more unconscionable than an 11-5 patriots team missing the playoffs over an 8-8 chargers team.

as far as the playoffs go, there's just no way around the current system without invalidating the divisions. the only remedy would be for an [x] win potential wild card team to face an 8-8 division winner. however, that can't work for many reasons:

1. is it 10 wins? 11 wins?
2. can two division winners from the same conference be 8-8 (don't know the math)
3. there isn't any time in the schedule (unless you count the extra week leading up to the super bowl.

fact is, as much as it sucks, there probably isn't a better system for determining the playoffs.

brett favre can go choke on mangina's dick though.Yeah, the fact that Favre is in ahead of Rivers is an absolute travesty.

But I like the playoff system. A round robin with the top 8 teams would be vanilla.

[Menace2Sobriety]

All of the teams who have vacancies have to be pretty happy right now. Outside of the Browns (though I'm assuming they'll take Pioli/new hc over Shanahan mixed into 1), I don't know that any team with a vacancy will give him the control he had in Denver though, so I wonder if he'll sit out until he gets that. Maybe some teams who hadn't planned on having an opening this offseason will re-consider though...J-E-T-S

[Menace2Sobriety]

I don't think that Tom Cable will be fired.Tom Cable is still employed?

[Menace2Sobriety]

NFC SOUTH
Carolina
Home: Atlanta, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Philadelphia, Washington, Minnesota, Buffalo, Miami
Away: Atlanta, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Dallas, N.Y. Giants, Arizona, New England, N.Y. Jets

7 out of 16 games are against playoff participants
NFC and AFC East opponents. Fucking wonderful.

[PDiddy]

I got this from Yahoo

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Aloha-Hawaii-Pro-Bowl-reportedly-moved-to-Miam?urn=nfl,131536

"The Pro Bowl will be moved to a week before the Super Bowl and will be played at the site of the game beginning in 2010 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AnDlDOHeu5ph21S5tIZTdg85nYcB?slug=ap-probowl-miami&prov=ap&type=lgns), the Associated Press reported today. This move comes after years of speculation and is a clear attempt to reinvigorate a game that barely registers with hardcore NFL fans, let alone the general sporting public.
Moving the game to a week before the Super Bowl will make the Pro Bowl more relevant than before, but still not relevant enough to turn the game into a must-see event. Nobody really cares about the Pro Bowl and that's unlikely to change unless they replace the players with cheerleaders.
Football isn't a game that lends itself to disinterested play at half-speed. The players don't seem to want to be there (as evidenced by the large number who decline invitations the game, claiming various injuries and obligations) and those who do go are justifiably concerned about getting injured in a meaningless exhibition.
The most logical way to build interest in the Pro Bowl is to set-up a skills competition, a la the NBA and NHL (and, to a lesser degree, MLB). There's not too many people who can tell you who won the NBA or MLB All-Star Games this year, but everyone remembers Dwight Howard's Superman dunk and Josh Hamilton's Ruthian display at the Home Run Derby.
If the NFL developed a 'Pro Bowl Saturday' that featured events like the return of the NFL's fastest man race, a longest throw competition, an obstacle course, kicking challenges and anything else that would have some entertainment value, the Pro Bowl could become a meaningful event. Until then, it's just a bunch of guys in ugly uniforms trying to run the clock out on their season."


So I guess the NFL doesn't care if any of the players that play in the superbowl play in the All Star game.

[ADD]

A game no one will give a shit about still, and it's in Miami and not Hawaii. No player or their family is going to get excited about a trip to fucking Miami vs. Hawaii.

[the creeps]

i hope they are not going to challenge the "early bird" crowd. the game may have to be played at 7AM

[Penguin Rick]

A game no one will give a shit about still, and it's in Miami and not Hawaii. No player or their family is going to get excited about a trip to fucking Miami vs. Hawaii.
It's only in Miami next year because that's where the Super Bowl is. It's just gonna go to whatever city is hosting the SB for that year.

And seriously NFL, Florida 2 years in a row?

[ADD]

I should clarify, who the fuck wants a trip to Detroit? Ever?

[Penguin Rick]

To buy a car for next to nothing?






That was of bad taste, my mistake.

[Lone Wolf]

I just became a fan of Thomas Jones for calling out Bret Favre


"We're a team and we win together ... but at the same time, you can't turn the ball over and expect to win," Jones said in an interview Tuesday with New York Hot 97 FM. Favre threw three interceptions in the Jets' season-ending 24-17 loss to Miami that clinched the AFC East for the Dolphins.
"The other day, the three interceptions really hurt us. I mean, that's just reality," Jones told the radio station. "If I were to sit here and say, 'Oh, man, it's OK,' that's not reality. ... I don't like it, I know everybody else on the team doesn't like it.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/nfl/profiles/players/mugs/65x90/112.jpg Favre


http://assets.espn.go.com/i/headshots/nfl/players/65/2138.jpg Jones


"If somebody is not playing well, they need to come out of the game," Jones told Hot 97 FM. "You're jeopardizing the whole team because you're having a bad day. To me, that's not fair to everybody else. You're not the only one on the team. So when you get to the wire and somebody is just giving the game up, I mean, it's just not [fair]."

[shdaow]

I think this is bullshit too...

A veteran Jets player, quoted anonymously by Newsday, described Favre as a "distant" teammate who, when at the Jets' practice facility, spent his down time away from teammates in an office specially designated for him.

I don't care what kind of player you are, you don't get your own fucking office to retreat to after you threw away your teams chance at a victory. Supposedly Favre was having issues with Mangini as well. I was watching on ESPN and they talked about Favre being publicly called out in practices, being called up to the "Principals Office" (Mangini's Office) and getting grilled for his ineptitude, and getting quizzed on different things about the opposition throughout the week (ie. Who's the Dolphins LG?) and other things of that nature. Essentially he was being treated like a "regular" player and was annoyed by it. Suck it up Favre!

[ADD]

J-E-T-S... R-E-T-I-R-E-M-E-N-T

[Pollo]

so how did Favre make the Pro Bowl over Rivers again? someone explain that shit to me.

[ADD]

Green Bay votes, NJ votes, hick votes (aka Green Bay votes) and John Madden

[ADD]

Ha ha, the Viqueens still suck and their fans suck as well

Plenty of good seats are still available for Minnesota's playoff game against Philadelphia. The Vikings reported 8,000 tickets remaining at noon New Year's Day for Sunday's game against the Eagles. The NFL has granted an extension until 3:30 p.m. local time Friday to reach a virtual sellout, but the possibility of a local TV blackout looms.
The blackout would not only encompass the Twin Cities, but secondary markets in the region as well. It includes satellite, cable and over-the-air systems, so nobody in the area could watch the game unless they're in attendance at the Metrodome.
Vice president of sales and marketing Steve LaCroix said the team has hired extra holiday help to solicit potential buyers. The Vikings haven't had a game blacked out since 1997.

[shdaow]

Green Bay votes, NJ votes, hick votes (aka Green Bay votes) and John Madden

What surprises me more is that he made it, and we know obviously Jets fans didn't vote for him in the last few weeks. I think it's fair to say GB is like the desperate ex-girlfriend who still loves their man despite him kicking her to the side of the road for a failed attempt at glory.

[JT]

Can someone get ADD his own Comedy section in the sports forum?

[ninja33]

What surprises me more is that he made it, and we know obviously Jets fans didn't vote for him in the last few weeks. I think it's fair to say GB is like the desperate ex-girlfriend who still loves their man despite him kicking her to the side of the road for a failed attempt at glory.

You'd be surprised how many Green Bay fans have turned their back on Favre and moved on with Aaron Rodgers.

[ADD]

Kinda like how the modern world turned it's back on Green Bay

[shdaow]

Some news in the offseason...

Mangini favourite for Browns HC Job (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3807748)

Pats to franchise Matt Cassel - $14 Million (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3809444)
That surprises me quite a bit that we'd throw so much cash at Matt, but I guess that means the reports of Brady's rehab going slowly are true.

[Zilchoid]

New Orleans
Home: Atlanta, Carolina, Tampa Bay, Dallas, N.Y. Giants, Detroit, New England, N.Y. Jets
Away: Atlanta, Carolina, Tampa Bay, Philadelphia, Washington, St. Louis, Buffalo, Miami


Damn. That's a pretty tough schedule. Thank God we finished last in the division and get games against St. Louis and Detroit. Going 4-12 is a definite possibility, especially if we don't get defensive help in the offseason.

Of course, everyone else in the NFC South has it just as bad or worse than the Saints. (Ouch, Panthers!)

edit: Getting to boo Romo, Eli, Brady and (possibly) Favre in the Dome is pretty nice, though.

[Satan]

Some news in the offseason...

Mangini favourite for Browns HC Job (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3807748)

Pats to franchise Matt Cassel - $14 Million (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3809444)
That surprises me quite a bit that we'd throw so much cash at Matt, but I guess that means the reports of Brady's rehab going slowly are true.I'd take that rumor with a grain of salt, ESPN can be pretty spotty with their reporting on stuff like this. If they do franchise Cassel, it'd basically be a one year rental kind of thing until Brady gets back. I have a hard time believing they'd pay him that kind of money for one decent season.

[Pollo]

why BC would fire their head coach for possibly having an interview with the Jets is ludicrous:

Boston College coach Jeff Jagodzinski has been told he will be fired if he interviews for the head coaching vacancy with the New York Jets, which is scheduled for Monday, according to sources.

Despite the threat from athletic director Gene DeFilippo, Jagodzinski plans to do the interview with the Jets, the sources said. Those sources said that in the event Jagodzinski is fired, BC would promote offensive coordinator Steve Logan to head coach.

According to the sources, DeFilippo first told Jagodzinski on Saturday that he would fired if he interviewed and then reinforced the school's position Sunday. Jagodzinski declined to comment when reached by ESPN.

BC spokesman Chris Cameron told ESPN's Joe Schad the school would have no comment. But another BC source said Jagodzinski informed his coaching staff of the development this weekend after at least two discussions with DeFilippo.

The Jets did not have a reaction or confirm they are interested in Jagodzinski, but ESPN and other news outlets have reported his candidacy.

Jagodzinski, 45, has been head coach at Boston College the past two seasons, with the team finishing first in the ACC's Atlantic Division each year. In 2007 the Eagles went 11-3, including a victory over Michigan State in the Champs Sports Bowl. This past season, BC finished 9-5 after losing to Vanderbilt in the Gaylord Hotels Music City Bowl.

Prior to coming to BC, Jagodzinski had worked as an NFL assistant since 1999. He was tight ends coach for the Packers from 1999-2002, then served in the same role for the Falcons in 2003 and '04 before moving up to be Atlanta's offensive line coach in '05. He then went back to Green Bay as offensive coordinator for the 2006 season before BC came calling.

Before coming to the NFL, Jagodzinski served on college staffs since 1989 with East Carolina, LSU, Northern Illinois, and Wisconsin-Whitewater (his alma mater).

[Hobnail_Boot]

why BC would fire their head coach for possibly having an interview with the Jets is ludicrous:
Right. BC has played for 2 conference championships since coach Jag got there. Who could they replace him with that's better?

[Ace Rockola]

Looks like Big Tuna is staying in Miami

The Miami Dolphins (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=mia) fell apart on the field Sunday, but the front office apparently won't self destruct this offseason. Executive vice president of football operations Bill Parcells will return to Miami next season and not exercise an escape clause in his contract, team owner H. Wayne Huizenga said on Sunday.

"Bill's going to stay," Huizenga said, according to the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, which first reported his comments. "He told me [Friday] he's going to stay. He said he likes it here."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3809823

[Penguin Rick]

That's the smart thing to do. I know the Dolphins probably feel bad, but honestly Dolphins fans would be ecstatic at the beginning of the season if you told them they were going to the playoffs.

[The Dude]

How in the fuck is the Philly DA unable to press any charges on Marvin Harrison? that's a farce if there ever was one.

[bpb]

Dallas Cowboys release Adam "Pacman" Jones.

I'm a little surprised because I thought Jerry loved publicity more than talent.

[ADD]

This list of "could be" released players for every team usually has a few "huhs?" in there

[SilverBullet]

I'm a little surprised because I thought Jerry loved publicity more than talent.
Its about fucking time.

[shdaow]

The link... http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3817195

[Lone Wolf]

Mangini took the Cleveland job, huh? First Crennel now Mangini, it's kind of like not changing coaches at all.

[Hobnail_Boot]

Mangini took the Cleveland job, huh? First Crennel now Mangini, it's kind of like not changing coaches at all.
Obviously, from Mangini's perspective, the Browns pay more than unemployment.

[Pollo]

so Pacman Jones ... is this the final straw for this dude in the NFL? supposedly arranging a shooting in an Atlanta strip bar -- I'm sick and tired of this idiot.

[Da Raider]

Mangini took the Cleveland job, huh? First Crennel now Mangini, it's kind of like not changing coaches at all.

the Browns owner is a fucking moron. You hire the GM FIRST, the Head Coach SECOND. They did this last time too. Idiots.

[ADD]

so Pacman Jones ... is this the final straw for this dude in the NFL? supposedly arranging a shooting in an Atlanta strip bar -- I'm sick and tired of this idiot.

I have to think, unless the NFL suspends him forever, like Vick, someone's going to always take a chance on an idiot/problem if the talent's there.

[Jericho]

What are the chances another team doesn't swipe Steve Spagnolo(sp) from the G-Men? After this season, I'd guess it doesn't look good,like John Fox all over again

[ADD]

The Giants have apparently asked him not to go anywhere, but I don't know what that means to him if anything.

[Lone Wolf]

I have to think, unless the NFL suspends him forever, like Vick, someone's going to always take a chance on an idiot/problem if the talent's there.

The thing is there wasn't a whole lot there this year. Maybe it was the year off or maybe the distractions, but he doesn't look all that good anymore.

[the creeps]

at this point hasn't adam jones been more out of the nfl then in ? the NFL needs to write him off.

[NOTKyle]

The bottom line is I didn't play well in the final five games. ... It starts with me and it should. I am not ripping Thomas because that is not my nature. My expectations of myself are high and the only one that I let down was myself.

I'm thinking there are about 10 million Jets fans.

[ADD]

Fuck them

[eleveneighteen]

Face it - Cleveland will be a fucking doormat until they get new ownership. Man-gina? Hope the Patriots won't spy on him at Cleveland, too. What a joke!

[shdaow]

I'm thinking there are about 10 million Jets fans.

And another 10 million Pats fans... at least for that last game.

EDIT: Whats there to spy on? How not to manage the clock and use timeouts?

[Penguin Rick]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3818870

So Brett Favre's annual decision making process starts I suppose. Seriously, it'd be hilarious to have the Jets cut him right now.

[bpb]

ummmmm.........ok..........

SCZvQEKQ9y8

[ADD]

Ever been to Michigan? It's full of backwoods redneck retards. Much like Wisconsin, except most people built cars instead of making cheese.

[ninja33]

and the cheese industry is still thriving! wisconsin wins again

[Lone Wolf]

Did anyone else see this video in the last Simmons article

lQtbzkT4iQE

[nuclearjew]

Report: Broncos to hire McDaniels

BRISTOL, CONNECTICUT (TICKER) —The Denver Broncos have settled on a replacement for Mike Shanahan.

Denver will name New England Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels as its new head coach, according to a report by ESPN on Sunday.

McDaniels, 32, will take over for Shanahan, who was fired on December 30 after 14 seasons as the Broncos’ head coach despite leading the team to two Super Bowl victories.

Under the guidance of McDaniels, the Patriots racked up an NFL-record 589 points in posting a perfect 16-0 regular season in 2007.

And this season, despite the loss of two-time Super Bowl MVP Tom Brady, New England posted an 11-5 mark with Matt Cassel at quarterback.

Cassel had not started a game since high school, but he led the Patriots to four consecutive wins to finish the season.

McDaniels is the fourth assistant under New England head coach Bill Belichick to be hired as the head man since 2004.

Romeo Crennel was hired by the Cleveland Browns and Eric Mangini by the New York Jets, although both were fired on December 29. Mangini, ironically, was hired by the Browns last week.

Also, former offensive coordinator Charlie Weis was named the head coach at Notre Dame in 2004.

[Jericho]

Looks like this is the thread for me now. Le sigh

[shdaow]

:( I wish him the best of luck in Denver though. I wonder who'll be taking over his position next season. Its pretty clear aside from the OC, he was a pretty damn good QBs coach.

[Satan]

NE Assistants don't seem to do so well once they leave...

[Penguin Rick]

Looks like this is the thread for me now. Le sigh

[Soup Nazi]

For some reason, I thought we were going to go with a defensive guy.......I wonder why I would think such a thing?

[Satan]

Mike Nolan will be announced as Broncos defensive coordinator later today.

Have fun with him, Bronco fans!

Bahahahahahaha

[Draven X 23]

Tony Dungy is stepping down as head coach of the Colts — at least that's what he's telling those inside the team headquarters, sources told FOXSports.com.

While the team has scheduled a 5 p.m. press conference, Dungy is walking around the team's complex saying goodbye to players and team employees and informing them that the transition should be a smooth one for new coach Jim Caldwell.
According to one source, Dungy explained that he has talked it over with his family and they believed this was the proper time to step down, while the Colts' nucleus was still intact.

Dungy is perhaps the most respected head coach among peers and players of this era. He won a Super Bowl two seasons ago and at that time many thought he would step down. Again last year it was predicted by some he would step down, but he decided instead to pick his successor and stay on for one more year. Dungy's Indianapolis tenure will finish after seven seasons with a record of 92-33, and a postseason berth in all seven years with the club.

[Penguin Rick]

Mike Nolan will be announced as Broncos defensive coordinator later today.

Have fun with him, Bronco fans!

Bahahahahahaha

Yes!

AFC West remains pathetic.

[bpb]

http://i44.tinypic.com/15dtpbk.jpg

[eleveneighteen]

The Colts nucleus = Manning

[shdaow]

Scott Pioli now in Chief's Front Office (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3830515)


New England Patriots (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nwe) vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli has agreed to become head of football operations for the Kansas City Chiefs (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=kan), two NFL sources confirmed to ESPN's Michael Smith.
The vice president for player personnel at New England, Pioli, 43, is close to Patriots coach Bill Belichick and has been with the Patriots for nine years. Pioli should find a warm welcome in Kansas City. At the last Chiefs' home game, shortly after the embattled Carl Peterson resigned after 20 years as president, general manager and CEO, several signs were spotted in the crowd proclaiming, "We want Pioli."

I wonder if our ability to plug players into our system is as effective among the coaches and front office.

[Lone Wolf]

Losing players and coaches doesn't worry me, but I am a worried about Scott Pioli leaving since he has gotten a lot of credit for the way this team is built. From everything I read he was the Yin to Belichick's Yang.

Any idea why he left? More money? A new challenge?

[shdaow]

I would think the only reason would be the latter, a new challenge. From what I've heard, Kraft repeatedly gave Pioli raises to keep him with the Patriots, and I'd imagine if Pioli really wanted more money, Kraft would've given it to him. Between him and Belichick, I'm sure Kraft would have/will continue to pay what ever is necessary to keep them around if their reasons were solely based on money.

[Lone Wolf]

Is it really that much better to rule in hell than serve in heaven?

[Menace2Sobriety]

I wonder if our ability to plug players into our system is as effective among the coaches and front office.
If you read 'education of a coach' you'll find that Belichick and Adams believe in developing front office personnel in the exact same way.

[Lone Wolf]

At least we are going to get Herm Edwards Coors light commercials

[TheImpossibleMan]

With Pioli on board, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of Cowher going to KC.

[Menace2Sobriety]

Two guys who both want full control. How can it not work?

[Willam]

Any chance after Jake's last game that the Panthers might FINALLY get another qb?

[eleveneighteen]

Hell no - monumentally bad game, but they still have had a lot of success with Delhomo. Not a chance whatsoever.

[Willam]

Hell no - monumentally bad game, but they still have had a lot of success with Delhomo. Not a chance whatsoever.

Man I hope you are wrong. I've despised him for seasons now. He's just too "streaky." When he's good, he's very good (but I think that has alot to do with the fantastic receivers he has) but when he's bad, well, it's last saturday night.

I think he'd be a fantastic backup/mentor for a new qb.

[Pollo]

Mike Nolan will be announced as Broncos defensive coordinator later today.

Have fun with him, Bronco fans!

Bahahahahahaha

I just don't get the fucking Broncos -- their main weakness was defense, so why not get a defensive minded coach (let alone a solid DC)? but as a SD fan, I'll take Nolan in with flying arms to coordinate that "defense."

Losing players and coaches doesn't worry me, but I am a worried about Scott Pioli leaving since he has gotten a lot of credit for the way this team is built. From everything I read he was the Yin to Belichick's Yang.

Any idea why he left? More money? A new challenge?

I'm guessing challenge and more power if that's possible. perhaps he's sees a better nucleus of young talent in KC to build on rather in Cleveland since the Browns were after him.

Any chance after Jake's last game that the Panthers might FINALLY get another qb?

I wouldn't rule it out seeing they're going to need a QB to replace him in a season or two. if Mark Sanchez goes into the draft and is this year's version of "Brady Quinn" in the draft, Carolina needs to be all over that.

[TheImpossibleMan]

I just don't get the fucking Broncos -- their main weakness was defense, so why not get a defensive minded coach (let alone a solid DC)? but as a SD fan, I'll take Nolan in with flying arms to coordinate that "defense."


Uh, Nolan was actually a pretty succesful DC in Baltimore before he went to San Fran.

[Pollo]

I'm aware of it, but after seeing what he did in SF, why would the Broncos take chances on him? I'm with GTSCH on this one ... especially for how horrendous Denver played defensively down the stretch to choke the AFC West away.

[Menace2Sobriety]

Mike Lombardi of the National Football Post reports that the Cowboys are having "serious internal discussions" about releasing Terrell Owens.

"Serious discussions," Lombardi stresses. This coincides with last week's report by Ed Werder, who cited a supposed decline by 35-year-old T.O. But there simply has been none. Owens got stronger during the season's second half, averaging 18.9 YPC with five scores in the last eight games. Jan. 14 - 4:47 pm et
Source: National Football Post

[Satan]

And go with Roy Williams? Good luck with that guys.

[Banon]

It'll never happen. It would cost 9 million to keep him for next season...It will also cost 9 million to cut him for next season...
You do the math.

[ShitBreak]

I swear...what part of "LOCKER ROOM CANCER" do you retards not understand. If it costs the same to keep him as it would to cut him, then it makes sense to cut him. Production down, ego way the fuck up.

But it's Dallas...so I hope they keep him, so they continue to FAIL.

[Banon]

You are a fucktard.

Reasons to keep T.O.:
1. He is the biggest playmaking threat on the football field.
2. He draws attention from the defense. I'm guessing that you think it's only conicidental that Witten's production has skyrocketed while T.O. has been in Dallas.
3. Big cap hit if we cut him or trade him. Idiotic.
4. He broke the franchise record for single-season TD receptions in 2007, you might recall. So he had a lesser quality year in 2008. Guess what, so did the entire team.
5. Getting rid of him would put Dallas back in the same boat of having to find another receiver like we were before we traded for Roy (and before you all get onto Roy, which is a whole other topic, realize that Romo is going to have a whole off-season with him now).
6. He would be on some team that we'd likely have to face soon.
7. He has created less distraction with Dallas than he has any other team he's been on. In fact, he's been GREAT this season as far as off-the-field issues. What, one dubious report from Ed Werder? Who cares.
8. He is the hardest-working, hardest-playing, most hungry player on the entire team.

Saying things like "T.O. is selfish", "T.O.'s a quarterback killer", "T.O. divides the locker room", etc. - what do those things even mean? Do YOU even know what they mean? Are you a member of the Dallas Cowboys? Can you tell me that one, those claims are true, and two, those issues are directly contributing to on-the-field failure? No, you can't, and you never will be able to.

[ShitBreak]

Reasons to not keep T.O.

1) The team has not won a playoff game with him
2) He is a locker room cancer that is causing everyone to be pissed...
3) He's fucking old, and his best years are WAY past him.

My reasons > Your reasons.

[Banon]

1) Dallas hasn't won a play-off game since 1996, way before T.O.
2) Name me one player or coach that has said this.
3) You are fucking stupid for even making this comment.

[Gary_Busey]

Mike doesn't need reasoning, he has a podcast.

[Willam]

Well, it is true that TO is getting old. Hell, before too long he'll be Mushin Muhammad's age.

[ShitBreak]

Truer words have never been typed.

[Penguin Rick]

Hell, I'll be Mushin Muhammad's current age in the future too!

[CrazyCarl]

Lions reach deal with Jim Schwartz (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3835911)

Kiss your career goodbye, Jim

[Captain Insano]

Please release TO and would someone please hire Garrett? Please?

[Menace2Sobriety]

Ed WerderYeah....credible.

[Pollo]

just only a few days since the Pitt loss, and this could be a nasty offseason for SD:

Chargers beat writer Nick Canepa believes LaDainian Tomlinson is unlikely to return to San Diego next season.

A reliable source, Canepa cites LT2's age, $8.8 million salary cap number, and the injuries that have kept him on the sidelines during the last two playoff runs. Asked how he would replace a Hall of Fame back, GM A.J. Smith replied, "You're assuming that, if we have to move on, we're not capable of getting another running back." The writing is on the wall, and Tomlinson's days in San Diego are numbered.

Chargers GM A.J. Smith does not appear willing to pay RB Darren Sproles as an every-down back.

"Darren Sproles was drafted by the San Diego Chargers to help us in three areas – kick returns, spot play as a running back and catching passes out of the backfield," said Smith. "We will be pursuing Darren for exactly the same reasons." While Sproles may be a complementary piece wherever he plays, there's a good chance he'll find big money elsewhere if A.J. Smith isn't willing to pay it.

[Penguin Rick]

If we realized LT's washed up a year ago, and kept Turner. Him and Sproles would be the real Smash and Dash.

I don't like losing all 3 within 2 years.

[ShitBreak]

We should go after Sproles, just so we can laugh in your fucking face.

Well...since LT was almost a Falcon and all...

[shdaow]

Would I love it if the Pats released Maroney and brought in Sproles..... *splurge*

We would obviously wait until the day after LT retires to sign him.

[bpb]

Bucs fire coach, general manager (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3839188)


TAMPA, Fla. -- The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have fired coach Jon Gruden and general manager Bruce Allen after the team collapsed following a 9-3 start and failed to make the playoffs.

Gruden, who helped lead the Buccaneers to a victory over the Oakland Raiders in the 2003 Super Bowl, was Tampa Bay's coach for seven years before being dismissed Friday. Allen was general manager for the last five seasons.

[Pollo]

so why hasn't Herm Edwards and Marvin Lewis been fired yet?

Gruden is a bit of a surprise, but since their SB win, the Bucs have been pretty irrelevant when they make the postseason. I don't see Gruden joining any of the lower tier teams (Rams, Chiefs, so on) ... just add him to the class of '10 of good head coaches on the market.

[Stax]

LT is 29 and still coming off a 1000 yard season in a "down" year. Isn't it a bit early to be writing the obituary on his career?

[JT]

LT is 29 and still coming off a 1000 yard season in a "down" year. Isn't it a bit early to be writing the obituary on his career?

Maybe, but you can't deny the fact he isn't the same player. His early years were the San Diego LTs. He had seasons where he was the leading receiver as well as rusher. He isn't the biggest back either.

[Lone Wolf]

so why hasn't Herm Edwards and Marvin Lewis been fired yet?

Gruden is a bit of a surprise, but since their SB win, the Bucs have been pretty irrelevant when they make the postseason. I don't see Gruden joining any of the lower tier teams (Rams, Chiefs, so on) ... just add him to the class of '10 of good head coaches on the market.

The timing of this just seems weird. Would he take the Cowboys job if it suddenly opened up? What about the Jets gig?

For whatever reason the Bucs became a predictable and boring team the last couple of years, so it's not a total shock.

Will we get any Gruden Coors light ads?

[Pollo]

Julius Peppers wants out of Carolina; Marcus and Heels weep:

Julius Peppers has formally asked the Panthers to allow him to seek employment elsewhere.

The Panthers have let it be known that they planned to franchise Peppers if they could not reach a long-term deal with him, but Peppers wants the opportunity to hit the open market. Carolina has nothing to gain by letting their franchise defensive end leave without compensation, so we can expect this one to get ugly.

[Menace2Sobriety]

Gruden fired; Peppers leaving; Vilma arrested;
everything's falling into place

[Insomniac]

Julius Peppers wants out of Carolina; Marcus and Heels weep:

Nooooooo

[JT]

Gruden fired; Peppers leaving; Vilma arrested;
everything's falling into place

Vilma got arrested? I didn't see that. I get out of touch stuck at work.

[Syndicate]

The timing of this just seems weird. Would he take the Cowboys job if it suddenly opened up? What about the Jets gig?

For whatever reason the Bucs became a predictable and boring team the last couple of years, so it's not a total shock.

Will we get any Gruden Coors light ads?

I think Gruden would take the Jets job in a second if he could get Farve. He has a huge hard-on for Farve.

[NOTKyle]

How are the Cowboys not firing Wade and snapping up Gruden/Shannahan/Cowher?

[Jericho]

Welp, the Rams got Spagnoulo from us. I wish him luck. He was a badass defensive coordinator

[Vagrant]

What do you guys think that Peppers will yield in a tag and trade kind of deal? Word on the street is that he wants to be a 3-4 linebacker.

[shdaow]

Similar to what Allen was worth IMO. But on the whole, it seems trades always get you nothing in the NFL, it will probably be a 1st rounder and a combination of lower draft picks.

I salivate at the thought of Peppers in our 3-4... god damnit, why are there so many tempting players out there this offseason?? Asomugha (I thought I heard rumblings they'd be looking to move him/he wants out... don't remember where, or if its true), Sproles, LT (possibly), Ray Lewis, Peppers now... it will be an interesting time once the Superbowl is concluded.

[Pollo]

I think the Allen draft day trade will be something similar to what Carolina would be seeking (as shdaow mentioned).

if it's true he wants to be a 3-4 LB, SD surely could use another damn LB ... and if we could get Peppers, then we could use our #16 pick (if it isn't traded) to get a RB if Sproles isn't resigned. if A.J. Smith doesn't get Peppers, then I think it's all a certainty he takes the best LB at that pick. we could certainly use help at safety, but Taylor Mays decided to stay at USC for another year.

[SilverBullet]

Will someone please sign Jason Garrett? Please??

[Menace2Sobriety]

If Carolina are looking for the same deal for a 29 year old DE who had 3 sacks a year ago as KC got for their 26 yo franchise DE they could be waiting a while.

[Zilchoid]

Gruden fired; Peppers leaving; Vilma arrested;
everything's falling into place

This has got to be an example of racial profiling. I would imagine this situation to be the exact opposite of the Cedric Benson developments of the 2008 offseason.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/saints/2009-01-17-vilma-arrest_N.htm?csp=34


New Orleans Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma was arrested in Miami for reckless driving and resisting arrest, according to Miami police.

"There was no alcohol, drugs or firearms involved. Jonathan plans to vigorously fight it."

[Da Raider]

Notes From Lombardi

FROM MICHAEL LOMBARDI:
17 January 2009
“The Curious Case of Why Jon Gruden was Fired”….
“Love you Bro” has been a familiar refrain here at the Post and on my old site when referring to Tampa Bay’s former head coach, Jon Gruden. The nickname is intended to poke a little fun at Gruden because no matter how long he has known someone or how much he might dislike a person, he always ends the conversation with “Love you, Bro.”
I first met Jon in 1997 when I was with the Eagles. I found him to be bright, energetic, and passionate, devoted to football, and someone I wanted to learn from and exchange ideas with. You could see he was going to be a head coach one day, and with his intelligence and fire, he would be great head coach. He would work his tail off at practice, devote hours to watching film and could communicate his message to the players in a unique style. He was fun to work with and fun to watch coach.
When I joined him in Oakland, I learned more about him as a person and coach. What came to the forefront was that Jon is never happy. He can never love his players — especially his quarterback. Jon always wants new, even when new is not necessarily better. He was instrumental in returning the Raiders to their glory days with the help of some key players, notably Rich Gannon, then went off to Tampa to have all the power and ability to run his own show. That’s where his downfall started.
In Tampa, his record is slightly above .500 (57-55). He’s a great sound bite for NFL Films, which has done a great job promoting the legend of Jon Gruden. The won-loss record doesn’t tell the whole story – it’s just numbers. Nevertheless, when you look at the core of the team, the foundation, Jon’s inability to truly “Love You, Bro” prevents him from being successful. He does not want to fall in love with any one player, and he is very hard on the players. (I promise you, Michael Clayton’s quotes were just the ones on the record; there were many similar to his that were off the record.)
I once referred to Gruden as the Larry Brown of the NFL. I meant that as a compliment because I love Brown, but when Brown, the well-traveled NBA coach, has control of the personnel on a team, he makes horrible decisions and hates the players he coaches. He wants new, but after new is over, he wants more new. Does that sound familiar?
From Brad Johnson to Chris Simms to Brian Griese to Luke McCown to Jeff Garcia, there was never stability at quarterback, the one position that is vital to a franchise. In addition, this is the one position that Gruden can coach as well as anyone in the league. Yet his refusal to fall in love (I called him the Warren Beatty of quarterbacks coaches a while back in a column) with a quarterback was his downfall in Tampa Bay.
We have all read the reaction of the players on the record — some positive, some negative — but the one consistent theme when you’re talking about Gruden is that he loves football, but loves NO players. The negativity and the inconsistent message to the players never seemed to go over well. Gruden is the type of coach that needs to have consistent turnover in his roster. He needs new players every year and might be best suited for college football since graduation and the NFL draft promote the change he craves.
When Tampa hired Gruden, the one thing it had to expect was solid and consistent quarterback play for the franchise. In theory, Gruden could select a talented young player, develop him into the cornerstone of the franchise and enjoy consistent seasons challenging for the Super Bowl. However, this is all theory, as Gruden on his own will never fall in love with one player at the position.
Unless the front office or the owner refuses to submit to his constant change, no development will take place. He is incapable of falling in love with anyone. Love you bro he don’t.

[nuclearjew]

Jets finalize four-year deal with Rex Ryan

Jets named former Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan as head coach and signed him to a four-year contract.
Considered a players' coach in Baltimore, Ryan should be much more effective at connecting with the Jets than Eric Mangini. His defense will also be far more aggressive. Calvin Pace figures to be used like Terrell Suggs, with David Harris taking the Ray Lewis role and Kerry Rhodes taking on Ed Reed duties. It will be especially interesting to see if Ryan can get anything out of Vernon Gholston. Gholston's first year was almost completely lost. Jan. 19 - 6:45 pm et

[White Rhino]

Cards Fans Vandalize McNabb Home

By Lee Russakoff
Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:17:53 GMT

http://static-p-a.comcast.net/api/assets/cimed-20090120/dmac2.jpgSomehow, amid all the championship hoopla, the media missed a huge news story. But when a news story falls through the cracks, one man is there to catch it. Yahoo Sports' Michael Silver.

Silver reports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-morningrush011909&prov=yhoo&type=lgns) that some time last week, Cardinals fans burned messages into McNabb's Phoenix home lawn:
According to a friend of Mrs. McNabb’s, “Go Cards” and other similar messages were burned into the front lawn one night last week. This had to be especially scary to the couple’s four-year-old daughter, Alexis, who was staying in the house with Roxie and the couple’s six-week-old twins. Apparently one of the culprits was identified after leaving a box at the scene with a mailing label affixed bearing his name and address, so we’re obviously not talking about criminal masterminds here. But it’s tough to imagine that anyone over the age of eight doesn’t understand that burning something on the lawn of a house occupied by African-Americans carries deeper social overtones that are highly disturbing.
Ironically, this news broke on Martin Luther King Day...in Arizona. Still think Philly fans are the worst fans in the league?

I thought this was weird. I can't believe this didn't make bigger news. With all the racist remarks that Mcnabb has had to fight off. I thought the media would make a big deal over this.

[rc113943]

[b]

I thought this was weird. I can't believe this didn't make bigger news. With all the racist remarks that Mcnabb has had to fight off. I thought the media would make a big deal over this.


fuck em, he's black, probably deserved it

[Satan]

The Niners add former Falcon Jimmy Williams... (http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2009/01/49ers-sign-former-second-round-pick.html)

[nuclearjew]

The Niners add former Falcon Jimmy Williams... (http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2009/01/49ers-sign-former-second-round-pick.html)
RednGold | January 22, 2009 6:10 PM | Reply

Great! Let's re-enforce the secondary and get ready for battle with the Cardinals receivers in 09.
lulz

[Satan]

We have some of the dumbest fans in the sport. Alex Smith is still a fucking fan favorite! Go figure.

[heelsguy]

CAROLINA PANTHERS NEWS

5 assistants leave.

Panthers under Fox have had great stability with their coaching staff. But now they have lost 1 QB coach and 4 defensive statistics. Giving up 30 pts or more in 6 of their last 7 games is a recipe to getting your ass beat.

None of this was done to keep Peppers. Trgovac was offered a 2 yr contract to stay so if people try to connect the dots that is ridiculous.

I personally am glad to see DB coach Tim Lewis leave.


Change of heart: Trgovac out

Mike Trgovac has had a change of heart and will not be returning as the Carolina Panthers defensive coordinator, according to team general manager Marty Hurney.
"We offered Trgo a contract and told him we wanted him back, but he informed us last night he wanted to pursue other options," said Hurney.
As recently as earlier Wednesday, Trgovac was planning to remain with the Panthers and sign a new contract. He, coach John Fox and Hurney were together at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., and were making plans for the 2009 season.
Trgovac, who has been the Panthers defensive coordinator since 2003, could not be reached for comment.
Fox is now expected to put on hold his search for defensive line and linebackers coaches to focus first on getting a new coordinator. Earlier this week, defensive tackles coach Sal Sunseri decided to leave for a college job at Alabama, and linebackers coach Ken Flajole went to the St. Louis Rams as defensive coordinator.
-- Charles Chandler

The Panthers now have to hire four new defensive assistants after news this morning that coordinator Mike Trgovac turned down an offer to return and, according to espn.com, defensive backs coach Tim Lewis is leaving for the same position in Seattle. (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcwest/0-7-233/Adding-Lewis-a-strong-move-for-Seahawks.html)
Panthers announce Scherer hiring

On a day when the Carolina Panthers' assistant coaching departures grew to five, the team formally announced the arrival of new quarterbacks coach Rip Scherer.
Scherer replaces Mike McCoy, who left to become offensive coordinator of the Denver Broncos.
Scherer, 56, spent the past four seasons with the Cleveland Browns as quarterbacks coach. He also was assistant head coach the past two years under Romeo Crenel.
Scherer formerly worked in Cleveland with Panthers offensive coordinator Jeff Davidson, which head coach John Fox said should assure Scherer's "smooth transition" to the team.
"He brings experience as well as a familiarity of our system and we look forward to working with him," said Fox.
-- Charles Chandler

Report: Sunseri heading to Alabama

Panthers defensive line coach Sal Sunseri is headed to the University of Alabama as a linebackers coach coach, according to a report from The Birmingham News (http://blog.al.com/rapsheet/2009/01/alabama_to_hire_former_panther.html).
Sunseri could not be reached for comment..

Haslett available if Panthers are interested

Among the most notable candidates the Carolina Panthers could consider for their defensive coordinator position is former Rams and Saints head coach Jim Haslett, a former Carolina divisional rival who spent one season early in his career working with current Panthers head coach John Fox.
Haslett served as linebackers coach for the Raiders in 1994 when Fox was the defensive coordinator.
It is believed Haslett, who has been a defensive coordinator or head coach for the past 13 seasons, would welcome the chance to join Fox's Carolina staff. Haslett was in Mobile, Ala., for Senior Bowl practices this week exploring potential job opportunities.
The Rams elevated Haslett from defensive coordinator to interim head coach last season when Scott Linehan was fired after an 0-5 start. The Rams went 2-9 under Haslett, but were more competitive than early in the season.

[Satan]

Maybe they should replace their shitty QB?

[heelsguy]

and about Peppers:

he takes plays off. period. he will make 2 plays a season that no other player in the league can make, but what about the rest of the year? I sometimes dreamed of him using his basketball ability as a middlle linebacker, batting down passes, etc. but he was single-teamed quite often this year and was eerily invisible. yes, he got 14 sacks, but only 3 in 2007.

As a fellow Tar heel, I am torn. I had such high hopes for him.

but read this interesting take:


Panthers Analysis

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Peppers' departure is not a sure thing

Franchise tag gives Panthers some leverage, though price of keeping star end would be steep.

By Charles Chandler
cchandler@charlotteobserver.com
Posted: Thursday, Jan. 22, 2009
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<LI class=odd nodeIndex="1">Fox doing best to get over playoff loss (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/story/488181.html)
Fox on Peppers: Let the process work (http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/2009/01/fox-on-peppers-let-the-process-work.html)


MOBILE, Ala. Think Julius Peppers definitely has played his last game for the Carolina Panthers?
While that could be, the team certainly isn't saying so and actually has significant leverage it could use to keep Peppers on the team for one or more seasons – albeit at a price that borders on astronomical.
The Panthers are being extremely tight-lipped about the situation, but have made it clear they will do what's best for their football team.
Asked Wednesday after a Senior Bowl practice if there's a chance Peppers could play for the Panthers again next season, coach John Fox said, “Well, yeah … It's a process. I don't like predicting a process. You've got to go through it and see how it works out.”
Fox said he hasn't talked to Peppers since agent Carl Carey released the news last weekend that Peppers wanted to move on to another team. Carey said Peppers believes he can best reach his full potential as a player by changing to a new defensive system.
Fox declined to say whether he was surprised by Peppers' stance.
“You know, it doesn't do any good to comment on anything right now,” he said.
The Panthers' primary device for trying to get what they want is the franchise tag, which NFL teams can apply to one player per year to limit or restrict that player's availability on the open market as an unrestricted free agent.
Peppers' contract expires Feb.26 and the Panthers' window for tagging him is Feb.5-19.
There are two types of franchise tags – exclusive and non-exclusive.
The exclusive tag means the player cannot negotiate with any other team and the only way he could change teams would be via a trade.
A non-exclusive designation allows players to talk to other teams, but the original club has the right of first refusal.
Suppose the Panthers use the exclusive designation on Peppers. It would require them to make him a one-year tender offer for 20percent more than his salary-cap figure for the season that just ended.
Since Peppers counted about $14million against the cap this season, the Panthers' tender offer would have to be for nearly $17million, far more than any defensive end makes.
If Peppers played under that figure in 2009, they could tag him again next year and again have to give him a 20percent raise.
Though those figures are high – the largest annual salary for any defensive end is the $12.2million of Minnesota's Jared Allen – the price-tag might not be as unbearable for the Panthers as it sounds.
After all, Peppers was already counting a humongous amount against the cap, so it'll just be 20percent more.
Peppers, of course, could decline the one-year tender and refuse to play for the Panthers under any circumstances. He was asked about that on Jan.11, the day after a 33-13 playoff loss to Arizona, and Peppers – speaking hypothetically at the time – said he didn't think a holdout was the way to do business but that he'd have to see what happens.
Peppers is 29 and entering his eighth NFL season. It's reasonable to wonder whether he'd really be willing to sit out an entire season when he's on the verge of 30 and, in doing so, pass up $17million.
Carolina also could opt to trade Peppers. The collective bargaining agreement sets a price tag of two first-round picks for franchise players. However, that's negotiable, as happened last year when Minnesota swapped one first-round pick and two third-rounders to Kansas City last year in exchange for Allen.
Is Peppers worth more than Allen?
Perhaps.
A former NFL pro personnel director attending the Senior Bowl this week said the thought of Peppers becoming a free agent, or being available via trade, is the closest thing the league has now to a Reggie White.
White, a former defensive end, got big-time free agency started in the early 1990s when he left Philadelphia for Green Bay.
The Peppers' situation was one of the most discussed topics in Mobile, where the majority of NFL coaches, general managers and scouts are gathered this week.
Much like the Panthers, most of them didn't want to discuss the matter publicly. But it was clear they considered Peppers an extremely hot commodity.
And it didn't sound like any of them envy the Panthers' dilemma.
Charles Chandler: (704) 358-5123

[heelsguy]

Maybe they should replace their shitty QB?



he's not shitty. he simply is not elite. entering these playoffs, Jake was tied with the most road playoff wins in history.

you can't give up 30 pts in 6 of your last 7 games and win in this league even with montana

[ADD]

Matt Cassel team player. I think he just doesn't care enough to go to a shitty team/organization/knows Brady might not be ready.

New England Patriots (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nwe) quarterback Matt Cassel (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8644) says there won't be a quarterback controversy if Tom Brady (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2330) returns next season from the knee injury that thrust Cassel into the starting job.

"This is Tom's team," Cassel said Thursday on ESPNEWS. "The Patriots have been Tom's team. He's built that franchise up with his own two hands. He's the guy, and he was the MVP the year before. I realize that. He's been such a mentor for me that I would say, 'No, there is no quarterback competition.' But I've learned so many things from Tom, and hopefully it'll help me in my career."

Cassel's future with the Patriots will be decided next month. The Patriots will have two weeks starting Feb. 5 to decide if they want to place a franchise tag on him and keep him as an insurance policy, a move that would make him about $14 million. Otherwise, Cassel will become an unrestricted free agent as of Feb. 27, free to sign with any team.

In another interview Thursday, this one on Comcast SportsNet, Cassel said he has yet to begin contract discussions with the Patriots. "If the situation is what it is, then I would accept it and I would continue to do what I have done my entire career which is work hard, put my best foot forward and continue to work on the things that I need to and put out my best effort," Cassel told the network.

Cassel, who had not started since high school, completed 327 of 516 passes for 3,693 yards and 21 touchdowns against 11 interceptions. He finished the season with an 89.4 quarterback rating, good for 10th among all NFL quarterbacks.

[Satan]

anyone shocked? (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3855917)

[mongo]

OMG!



thread title change!

[ADD]

But you can't fire another black head coach!@@!@@@

[Soup Nazi]

They need to hire Crennel to keep the quota up.

[Satan]

white power!

[Soup Nazi]

Shanahan to replace Edwards? No fucking way..........

[Jericho]

That'd be fucking weird to see Shanahan in Chiefs gear

[Ch_ris]

i'm a little surprised, but in all reality the chiefs will suck for 2 or 3 years which will result in him being fired.

[Gary_Busey]

I've heard mention of him coming over to Carolina as DC.

[shdaow]

Shanahan wouldn't have enough control as a DC, I doubt he'd be anything but a HC on a team.

[mongo]

i thought he was talking about edwards.

[shdaow]

Well, that would make more sense...

[heelsguy]

edwards as panther DC: yes. shanahan has 2 rings. coaches with 2 rings do not assistant coach or coordiate

[Gary_Busey]

i thought he was talking about edwards.
Yup.

[Menace2Sobriety]

Schefter:
Are 49ers angling for Vick? (http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/01/23/are-49ers-angling-for-vick/)

Posted: Adam Schefter (http://blogs.nfl.com/category/adam-schefter/) | Adam Schefter | Tags: Dan Reeves (http://blogs.nfl.com/tag/dan-reeves/), Hue Jackson (http://blogs.nfl.com/tag/hue-jackson/), Michael Vick (http://blogs.nfl.com/tag/michael-vick/), Mike Johnson (http://blogs.nfl.com/tag/mike-johnson/), San Francisco 49ers (http://blogs.nfl.com/tag/san-francisco-49ers/)
The 49ers are being secretive about their offensive plans, but it’s not hard to connect the dots in this case.
The 49ers are interviewing former Falcons head coach Dan Reeves today for their offensive coordinator vacancy (http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/01/23/49ers-bring-in-dan-reeves-to-interview-for-oc/). Reeves was Atlanta’s head coach in 2001, when the team traded for the No. 1 overall draft pick to use on QB Michael Vick.


One day earlier, the 49ers interviewed Ravens quarterbacks coach Hue Jackson, who used to coach Vick in Atlanta. And San Francisco also has expressed some interest in former Falcons wide receivers coach Mike Johnson, who coached quarterbacks in Baltimore and also knows Vick well.


So, some of the candidates the 49ers have begun to focus on all have connections to Vick, who could be back in the NFL as early as this summer after being released from federal prison.


No team has a greater need for a quarterback than the 49ers, but this isn’t to say they will pursue him. But the coaches they’re pursuing now all know and have worked with Vick.


And if that’s not enough of a conspiracy theory, then consider this: On Thursday, the 49ers signed former Falcons CB Jimmy Williams, Vick’s college teammate who lives in Hampton, Va., the next town over from where Vick has a house.
Might all just be coincidence. But might not.


http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/01/23/are-49ers-angling-for-vick/
Yes We Can (trade Mike's draft rights)!

[heelsguy]

PETA has a San francisco office...bad idea

[nuclearjew]

Guys. It's really a simple concept to understand. The 49ers are not going to pick up Vick but mold another potential quarterback to Vick status. That's the reason for all of these coaching suggestions. Not to have Vick but to create a copy without the mess. Besides, I like Shaun Hill. Develope him into a better quarterback, he already shows plently of skill. Save money and release JT while keep Alex as a back up for less money. Alex hasn't truly gotten the chance he deserves. He's not the downer, the organization is. Pick coordinators that will develope a system of play and will stay longer than a year. That's the ticket.
Adam, baby! Are you drunk? Are you high? Have you not been paying attention to who the 49ers now have as a coach? Do you honestly believe that Mike Singletary would even allow Michael Vick, or anyone like him, onto his field let alone his team? With few exceptions, the 49ers have always been about character; Michael Vick has none. Futther, he is NOT the type of QB they need to run the type of offense the Singletary wants to run. Vick likes to improvise; Singletary wants a very disciplined offense. Vick is all about himself; Mike Singletary wants people who are all about the team. Further, Shaun Hill is a very servicable QB for the type of offense the 49ers envision. He is disciplined, a good leader, makes good decisions, and does not turn the ball over very much. Can the same be said of Vick? No! There are teams out there who have greater needs at QB than the 49ers. They can always draft someone in the middle to late rounds who they can develope a la Cassel and Brady. And let's not write Alex Smith off so soon. He has shown that with the right coaching in the right system, he could develope into a fairly good QB. In the meanwhile, Adam, go to rehab.
GTSCH (were you sweetauburn07?), you're right, Niner fans are morons.

[Menace2Sobriety]

Pat White 09? Mort reported Reeves wants to bring in Vick whereva he runs the offense.

[Penguin Rick]

I can't imagine Singletary would approve that.

[nuclearjew]

AJ Smith needs to get put in his place (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AjwBR_DjdXQEExSq7JssTXVDubYF?slug=ms-thegameface012309&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

I agree, fuck that guy.

[Penguin Rick]

Yea, you don't hate on LT. Ever.

I'm not saying LT should stay on the team, but Smith is just being a pompous douchebag about it.

[Snake Plissken]

Hahaha the San Francisco Press is fighting back at Adam Schefter's smear rumor of Vick coming to the 49ers.

49ers To Lure Montana Out of Retirement:

http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2009/01/niners-plan-to-lure-montana-out-of-retirement.html

The 49ers plan to lure Hall of Fame quarterback Joe Montana out of retirement.

Coach Mike Singletary hired Tom Rathman to join his staff as running backs coach. Singletary is being just a little too obvious about his intentions. Obviously, the best way to get Montana out of retirement is to hire a former teammate to the staff. You read it here first.


--The 49ers' plan to go after Vick was actually Plan B. The first idea was to acquire Daunte Culpepper and Randy Moss, and build a dome to replace Candlestick.

[ADD]

Screw you Vince Young

When Tennessee Titans (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=ten) coach Jeff Fisher broke the news to Kerry Collins (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=734) last week that he was headed to the Pro Bowl, he also communicated directly to Collins that he indeed wants him back as his starting quarterback in 2009, a team source told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen.

Fisher had made public remarks that Collins deserved to be the starter based on his performance this season, but a source said his private reaffirmation thrilled Collins, who has said he will retire if he does not get a contract as a starting quarterback.

Collins, who was voted as a Pro Bowl alternate and replaces Brett Favre (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=112) on the AFC roster, is scheduled to become a free agent in March. Though Titans GM Mike Reinfeldt has had some philosophical contract discussions with Collins' representatives, there has been no real negotiations as of yet. If a contract is completed for Collins, it means former first-round draft pick Vince Young (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9589) will have to cope with the disappointment of losing his job to the veteran.

A team source said Young has promised to have a good attitude and work ethic this offseason. However, the team has a desire to re-sign Chris Simms (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4555), who was the third-string quarterback.

Simms also is set to be a free agent, but the Titans believe he showed tremendous progress throughout the season in practice and believe he is now fully healthy after complications from having his spleen removed during the 2006 season with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=tam).

[nuclearjew]

I don't understand why Kerry Collins got the alternate spot ahead of Philip Rivers.

[Tiger]

One word for the titans OVERATED!!

[Satan]

thanks for the insight

[ADD]

One word for the titans OVERATED!!

Just like the guy in your Av!

[nuclearjew]

One word for the titans OVERATED!!
I think you meant Over-rated. Unless you were talking about Lendale White? He overeats.

[Weenis]

This is just fantastic... A Giants fan is reduced to tears after watching his team bounced from the playoffs.

0-6Tn0Ie-AQ

This guy is an embarrassment not just to Giants fans, but manhood in general. Love the guy at the end that says what we're all thinking.

[Jericho]

.....

[Jericho]

:(

[Jericho]

We didn't beat Pittsburghs ass. They fucked up a snap

[heelsguy]

Indianapolis' Meeks named Panthers' defensive coordinator

http://blogs.charlotte.com/.a/6a00d8341c02fd53ef010536ef6086970b-120wi (http://blogs.charlotte.com/.a/6a00d8341c02fd53ef010536ef6086970b-pi) The Carolina Panthers have hired Ron Meeks (right), formerly with the Indianapolis Colts, as their defensive coordinator.
Meeks replaces Mike Trgovac, who told the team last week he would not return next season. Trgovac had spent seven years as defensive coordinator under John Fox.
"This is a great opportunity," Meeks said in a news release from the Panthers. "I have followed the Panthers from my involvement in football and they have done a great job over the years. I expect to continue that success and will try to improve on what has been done."
Meeks spent seven seasons as defensive coordinator with Indianapolis, five times finishing in the top seven in the league in points allowed. The Colts' 4-3 defense was seventh in points allowed in 2008 (18.6) and 11th in yards allowed (310.9)

"We are very pleased to add Ron to our coaching staff as defensive coordinator," Fox said in a release "He is an outstanding teacher, who has enjoyed great success as a coordinator in the league and brings a strong background of coaching championship defenses."
Meeks, 54, was a defensive assistant in Dallas in 1991, then secondary coach in Cincinnati fromm 1992-96 and in Atlanta from 1997-99. He also spent a year each in Washington (2000) and St. Louis (2001) before going to Indianapolis.
Meeks is a native of Jacksonville, Fla., and had college stints at Arkansas State (1984), Miami (1986-87), New Mexico State (1988), and Fresno State (1989-1990) before joining the Cowboys.
The Colts announced Meeks' resignation as the team's defensive coordinator Tuesday. Indianapolis head coach Tony Dungy, who had hired Meeks, retired after the season.

[nuclearjew]

Anyone know where I can find this video?
Cowboys TE Bennett in trouble over YouTube video

IRVING, Texas (AP)—Dallas Cowboys tight end Martellus Bennett put two rap videos on YouTube this week—one that got him in trouble with the team, then another apologizing for it.

“Why they hating on me? It was just a song. I was only rapping. I ain’t do nothing wrong,” Bennett raps in his follow-up performance.

Bennett reportedly was fined $22,647—which is one game check for next season—for his previous video, which used derogatory terms for blacks and gays and brags about having Jerry Jones’ money. He wore a Cowboys helmet and had a drink during the performance, which has been removed from YouTube.

Bennett’s agent, Kennard McGuire, did not return a call seeking comment. The Cowboys would not confirm or deny the reports. “We don’t discuss fines or disciplinary action within the team,” team spokesman Rich Dalrymple said Thursday.

The chatty, superhero-loving Bennett is coming off a rookie season in which he caught 20 passes for 283 yards and four touchdowns. He also earned a lot of air time on “Hard Knocks,” HBO’s behind-the-scenes show about Dallas’ training camp last summer. He has another video on the Internet talking about how well he could cover LeBron James, Kobe Bryant and other NBA players.

In the latest edition of what he calls “Marty B TV,” Bennett blames the media for getting him in trouble and says too much was made of it.

“I didn’t shoot a man, I didn’t make a bomb. I don’t hang with thugs, I wasn’t doing drugs. I wasn’t using guns. It was only fun. I mean, c’mon dog, it was just a song. One crazy verse. It could’ve been worse. I mean, I did curse. But I didn’t see a hearse,” he raps.

At the end, he says, “I just want to say I’m sorry, sincerely, to all my fans, my people out there, everyone who supported me through the whole thing. … Hopefully y’all were laughing with me and not at me, or at me but with me.”

[Menace2Sobriety]

This video has been removed by the user

It's okay, there's also a rap apology.
http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=ekPr912anus

[Menace2Sobriety]

Minnesota officials are trying to get quarterback Tarvaris Jackson involved in a Mixed Martial Arts program to help increase his flexibility. According to Zulgad, the Vikings approached FoxSports reporter Jay Glazer for help in starting the process. Glazer revealed the request during a recent interview on WFAN radio in New York. Glazer said he got Vikings defensive end Jared Allen involved in a similar program several years ago, a move that helped transform Allen into a more dynamic pass-rusher. (Glazer participates in similar training himself and has broadcast professional events.)
Thursday, we noted (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcnorth/0-7-163/Jackson-discussion-under-way-in-Minnesota.html) that the Vikings are engaged in discussions right now to determine whether they need to upgrade their personnel at quarterback. From this request, Glazer inferred that the Vikings are making long-term plans for Jackson.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcnorth/0-7-166/Black-and-Blue-all-over--Jackson-and-MMA.html

[Weenis]

Does anyone else think that's completely inappropriate by Glazer?

[ADD]

Haley's move to KC might force Warner's decision to call it a day.

Kurt Warner could lean closer to retirement with former Cardinals offensive coordinator Todd Haley now the head coach in Kansas City.

"I don't want to go backward as far as what we're doing, or having to readjust everything," Warner said Friday. "I want to be able to continue to move forward and to build off where we were this year. I think it's definitely going to be a factor in me weighing everything and making a decision."

For now, Warner will wait to see how the dust settles in Arizona.

"You have to look at the big picture," he said, "and wherever we're going and whoever is coming in, you just got to make sure you feel comfortable with that and they have the same mind-set. So at least from the football side of it, you feel comfortable that you can come back."

[ADD]

Cards can DC Pendergast

The Cardinals (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=ari) fired defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast on Saturday, less than a week after Arizona played the Pittsburgh Steelers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=pit) in the Super Bowl."Like every decision, it comes down to what's best for the team and what gives us the best chance to win," coach Ken Whisenhunt said in a statement released by the team.


Pendergast's departure leaves the team without both coordinators. Offensive coordinator Todd Haley was named head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=kan) on Friday.
Pendergast was hired by Dennis Green in 2004 and stayed on when Whisenhunt took over in 2007.


"He was one of the guys retained from the previous staff and has done a good job," Whisenhunt said. "But as part of the evaluation process that's done after every season, I took a look at the last two years as a whole and felt this move was necessary to help us continue the progress we've made."


The 41-year-old Pendergast has been a coach in the NFL since 1995, with the then-Houston Oilers, Dallas Cowboys (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=dal) and Cleveland Browns (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=cle).


"From a timing standpoint, we wanted to be fair to Clancy and give him a chance to seek the best possible opportunity in which to continue his career," Whisenhunt said. "In terms of filling the position, we have some people in mind both internally and externally and will begin that process immediately."


The Cardinals ranked 19th in the NFL in overall defense in the regular season, giving up 331.5 yards per game. They were 22nd in pass defense and 16th against the run.
Pendergast was known for using a variety of blitz and coverage schemes aimed at taking advantage of the Cardinals' speed.


The defense struggled in blowout losses to Philadelphia (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=phi), Minnesota (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=min) and New England (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nwe) late in the regular season, but stepped up in the playoffs, shutting down the powerful running games of Atlanta (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=atl), Carolina (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=car) and Philadelphia in the run to the Super Bowl.
Against the Steelers, the defense played well until the last-minute drive that ended with the touchdown pass from Ben Roethlisberger (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=5536) to Santonio Holmes (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9611) with 35 seconds to play that gave Pittsburgh a 27-23 victory.


Pendergast graduated from the University of Arizona in 1990, then was a graduate assistant for Mississippi State before working on the staffs at USC, Oklahoma and Alabama-Birmingham.

[Weenis]

So after the superbowl Arizona loses both coordinators and are facing the loss of one or two pro bowlers? Ouch.

[ruffdog]

whats the odds Ray Lewis re-signs with Ravens?

[ADD]

whats the odds Ray Lewis re-signs with Ravens?

If they break the bank, great. But he said there's not going to be a "home town" discount and has hinted he likes the Jets since Ryan's there now.

[ADD]

So after the superbowl Arizona loses both coordinators and are facing the loss of one or two pro bowlers? Ouch.

They're in the NFC West, they'll be fine

[Da Raider]

They're in the NFC West, they'll be fine

I think that guarantees a sub .500 playoff team.

[Superhuman]

I hope Lundqvist requests a trade before the deadline.

He has 1 goal of support in the last 3 games while allowing only 5 goals in those 3 games. On any half decent team, that's 3 wins. Instead, they're 3 losses.

[Satan]

*bitch slap*

[heelsguy]

panthers are putting pepper's merchandise (http://shop.panthers.com/search.aspx?find=peppers)on sale....dude is so gone it is not even funny.

[shdaow]

New York got murdered by Dallas 10-2... so Super is a little confused with all the Prozac he must be on to stave off the depression.

I'm very keen on the Pink Peppers Jersey... only $39.99!!

[Superhuman]

New York got murdered by Dallas 10-2... so Super is a little confused with all the Prozac he must be on to stave off the depression.

I'm very keen on the Pink Peppers Jersey... only $39.99!!
Fuck me.

I posted in the wrong thread. Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[shdaow]

If they break the bank, great. But he said there's not going to be a "home town" discount and has hinted he likes the Jets since Ryan's there now.

I think he'll find much more success if he goes to Dallas. With brett Favre either retiring or sucking, their QB situation in NY is shaky at best (Fuck Kellen Clemens). If he went to Dallas, they'd have a dirty linebacking corps. And hopefully (for Cowboy fans at least), he'd instill some leadership in that locker room, and bitch slap some sense into both Romo and Owens. He'd find much more success in Dallas.

However, I did read the headline on ESPN (not the article since I'm not an insider), but supposedly the Ravens are ready to break the bank to keep him. That only means a better chance someone snaps up Terrell Suggs.

Or... he could come to New England, and just wreck shit with Jerod Mayo. Bart Scott and Terrell Suggs are FA's too (though the latter may be franchised)... I could only dream that bringing in Adalius Thomas was the start of the entire transplant of the Ravens LB corps, haha!

[ADD]

Wouldn't the Ravens just franchise Suggs in the process?

[shdaow]

No, I know that, I'm just kidding around. However, if they do decide to break the bank on Lewis, I imagine they would be hard pressed to franchise Suggs as well. By signing Lewis to such a huge deal, that would probably raise the Top 5 average salaries a little higher... so it has a doubly harmful effect if they sign Captain Ray.

[ADD]

I'd keep Suggs. Let Ray go to the Jets or wherever.

[mongo]

what if the franchise suggs first?

[shdaow]

So would I. He's younger, and much more versatile than an aging Lewis, regardless of Leadership intangibles.

What kind of cash do you think Brian Leonard will fetch this offseason?

[nuclearjew]

What kind of cash do you think Brian Leonard will fetch this offseason?
The Rams fullback?

[shdaow]

Woops, I meant Jim Leonhard. And I realized he also spells his name quite retardedly....

[Pollo]

whats the odds Ray Lewis re-signs with Ravens?

from early indications, 50/50. in all interviews or articles I've read, he doesn't sound keen on taking a paycut to stay (although it would be ideal to stay knowing the Ravens system well). he's expressed interested in the Jets now that Ryan is there.

[JT]

The Rams fullback?

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