The Divided States of America

[redsox39]

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MOSCOW -- For a decade, Russian academic Igor Panarin has been predicting the U.S. will fall apart in 2010. For most of that time, he admits, few took his argument -- that an economic and moral collapse will trigger a civil war and the eventual breakup of the U.S. -- very seriously. Now he's found an eager audience: Russian state media.
http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/HC-GN187_Panari_BV_20081228131701.gif Igor Panarin



In recent weeks, he's been interviewed as much as twice a day about his predictions. "It's a record," says Prof. Panarin. "But I think the attention is going to grow even stronger."
Prof. Panarin, 50 years old, is not a fringe figure. A former KGB analyst, he is dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry's academy for future diplomats. He is invited to Kremlin receptions, lectures students, publishes books, and appears in the media as an expert on U.S.-Russia relations.
But it's his bleak forecast for the U.S. that is music to the ears of the Kremlin, which in recent years has blamed Washington for everything from instability in the Middle East to the global financial crisis. Mr. Panarin's views also fit neatly with the Kremlin's narrative that Russia is returning to its rightful place on the world stage after the weakness of the 1990s, when many feared that the country would go economically and politically bankrupt and break into separate territories.
A polite and cheerful man with a buzz cut, Mr. Panarin insists he does not dislike Americans. But he warns that the outlook for them is dire.
"There's a 55-45% chance right now that disintegration will occur," he says. "One could rejoice in that process," he adds, poker-faced. "But if we're talking reasonably, it's not the best scenario -- for Russia." Though Russia would become more powerful on the global stage, he says, its economy would suffer because it currently depends heavily on the dollar and on trade with the U.S.
Mr. Panarin posits, in brief, that mass immigration, economic decline, and moral degradation will trigger a civil war next fall and the collapse of the dollar. Around the end of June 2010, or early July, he says, the U.S. will break into six pieces -- with Alaska reverting to Russian control.
In addition to increasing coverage in state media, which are tightly controlled by the Kremlin, Mr. Panarin's ideas are now being widely discussed among local experts. He presented his theory at a recent roundtable discussion at the Foreign Ministry. The country's top international relations school has hosted him as a keynote speaker. During an appearance on the state TV channel Rossiya, the station cut between his comments and TV footage of lines at soup kitchens and crowds of homeless people in the U.S. The professor has also been featured on the Kremlin's English-language propaganda channel, Russia Today.
Mr. Panarin's apocalyptic vision "reflects a very pronounced degree of anti-Americanism in Russia today," says Vladimir Pozner, a prominent TV journalist in Russia. "It's much stronger than it was in the Soviet Union."
Mr. Pozner and other Russian commentators and experts on the U.S. dismiss Mr. Panarin's predictions. "Crazy ideas are not usually discussed by serious people," says Sergei Rogov, director of the government-run Institute for U.S. and Canadian Studies, who thinks Mr. Panarin's theories don't hold water.
Mr. Panarin's résumé includes many years in the Soviet KGB, an experience shared by other top Russian officials. His office, in downtown Moscow, shows his national pride, with pennants on the wall bearing the emblem of the FSB, the KGB's successor agency. It is also full of statuettes of eagles; a double-headed eagle was the symbol of czarist Russia.
The professor says he began his career in the KGB in 1976. In post-Soviet Russia, he got a doctorate in political science, studied U.S. economics, and worked for FAPSI, then the Russian equivalent of the U.S. National Security Agency. He says he did strategy forecasts for then-President Boris Yeltsin, adding that the details are "classified."
In September 1998, he attended a conference in Linz, Austria, devoted to information warfare, the use of data to get an edge over a rival. It was there, in front of 400 fellow delegates, that he first presented his theory about the collapse of the U.S. in 2010.
"When I pushed the button on my computer and the map of the United States disintegrated, hundreds of people cried out in surprise," he remembers. He says most in the audience were skeptical. "They didn't believe me."
At the end of the presentation, he says many delegates asked him to autograph copies of the map showing a dismembered U.S.
He based the forecast on classified data supplied to him by FAPSI analysts, he says. He predicts that economic, financial and demographic trends will provoke a political and social crisis in the U.S. When the going gets tough, he says, wealthier states will withhold funds from the federal government and effectively secede from the union. Social unrest up to and including a civil war will follow. The U.S. will then split along ethnic lines, and foreign powers will move in.
California will form the nucleus of what he calls "The Californian Republic," and will be part of China or under Chinese influence. Texas will be the heart of "The Texas Republic," a cluster of states that will go to Mexico or fall under Mexican influence. Washington, D.C., and New York will be part of an "Atlantic America" that may join the European Union. Canada will grab a group of Northern states Prof. Panarin calls "The Central North American Republic." Hawaii, he suggests, will be a protectorate of Japan or China, and Alaska will be subsumed into Russia.
"It would be reasonable for Russia to lay claim to Alaska; it was part of the Russian Empire for a long time." A framed satellite image of the Bering Strait that separates Alaska from Russia like a thread hangs from his office wall. "It's not there for no reason," he says with a sly grin.
Interest in his forecast revived this fall when he published an article in Izvestia, one of Russia's biggest national dailies. In it, he reiterated his theory, called U.S. foreign debt "a pyramid scheme," and predicted China and Russia would usurp Washington's role as a global financial regulator.
Americans hope President-elect Barack Obama "can work miracles," he wrote. "But when spring comes, it will be clear that there are no miracles."
The article prompted a question about the White House's reaction to Prof. Panarin's forecast at a December news conference. "I'll have to decline to comment," spokeswoman Dana Perino said amid much laughter.
For Prof. Panarin, Ms. Perino's response was significant. "The way the answer was phrased was an indication that my views are being listened to very carefully," he says.
The professor says he's convinced that people are taking his theory more seriously. People like him have forecast similar cataclysms before, he says, and been right. He cites French political scientist Emmanuel Todd. Mr. Todd is famous for having rightly forecast the demise of the Soviet Union -- 15 years beforehand. "When he forecast the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1976, people laughed at him," says Prof. Panarin.


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[redsox39]

Fuck...some Russian said I was going to be Canadian! What an Asshole!

[Kerjack]

OK, Montana as part of Canada I can see, but Texas part of Mexico? California part of China? HAHAHAHAHAHA!

[redsox39]

I know...Maybe Texas as...Texas.

Pretty sure there will be lots of Dead Texans before Mexico controls that place, lol.

But...the east Coast joining the EU? totally probable.

[redsox39]

But, thanks to Tater's this could never happen. Because since we already live here, the borders cannot change and no other power can control us.

I sleep easier knowing that Tater's has already solved this problem for us.

[Rover]

CA is practically communist already. I don't see how this changes anything.

Why would the Carolinas align with the NE and not the Confederacy? Why would TN and VA? I would assume that the states that would align with Mexico would have a larger GDP and military than Mexico. Why would they fall under Mexican influence? Why wouldn't they control Mexico?

Regarding the Russian professor, he's an expert in Information Warfare and this story is getting credible news reports? He's probably doing some kind of experiment on how gullible Americans are whenever they hear something on the news or read it in the paper.

[Kerjack]

CA is practically communist already. I don't see how this changes anything.

Codes of Conduct. I don't see China and LA or San Francisco seeing very eye to eye on the idea of a 'free spirit'. If anything CA would fall on the Mexico side.

[taters]

Didnt I already do this thread like a month ago?

http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?t=11836&highlight=russian
WORLD: Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs predicts economy will cause US to split

CHECK BEFORE YOU POST.

MERGE?

On the topic, I NEVER see Montana joining a midwestern nation. They have much more in common with the northwest, politically and socially. Even western North and South Dakota have this.

And the Northwest wants NOTHING to do with the Southwest even now, politically and socially. The map would likely have a big southwestern nation spreading from Southern Cal to Central/West Texas, and a northwestern nation spreading from WA and OR to the great lakes.

[Rover]

CA isn't very "free spirit". The Left is only tolerant of views they agree with. Kind of like communist China. As long as you think the state government is awesome, you'll be fine.

[taters]

CA isn't very "free spirit". The Left is only tolerant of views they agree with. Kind of like communist China. As long as you think the state government is awesome, you'll be fine.

Right and wrong. The lefts tolerance is of people, not necessarily viewpoints (racists, uber capitolists, religious people).

The right (claims it) is tolerant of viewpoints, but not of people (gays, muslims, blacks, immigrants, mexicans, unions, feminists etc)

Re-added : I DID post this very thread a month ago.

[The Batman]

I like how he decided Texas would be its own country.

[Warden]

Was going to say, I thought I saw this already. I also don't see the US splitting into anything any time in the foreseeable future

[Le Goat]

I like how he decided Texas would be its own country.

He didn't say that. He said the states in blue would be called The Texas Republic but influenced or apart of Mexico. WHich of course is total bullshit. There's a reason The Alamo is a big deal down here and it ain't cause Ozzy pissed on it. It's cause we would do what 98% of the rest of you wouldn't do for your state, we would die for ours.

76% of all Texan's born here, stay here.

[redsox39]

But by 2010? I thought Obama was going to brig us all together!!!!!

[the creeps]

this guy needs to spend less time trying to get to the bottom of vodka bottles. his ideas are so far off bases.

[Kerjack]

On the topic, I NEVER see Montana joining a midwestern nation. They have much more in common with the northwest, politically and socially. Even western North and South Dakota have this.


I could see it, but I agree it has more in common with the northwest.

Right and wrong. The lefts tolerance is of people, not necessarily viewpoints (racists, uber capitolists, religious people).

The right (claims it) is tolerant of viewpoints, but not of people (gays, muslims, blacks, immigrants, mexicans, unions, feminists etc)


Again, I'm in agreement.

[taters]

Was going to say, I thought I saw this already. I also don't see the US splitting into anything any time in the foreseeable future

As I sorta said on the original version of this thread last month, economically and militarily it just doesnt work, and cant work. The fighting over who would assume what debts, who would get access to what watersheds, and what companies would be located where would be a nightmare. Plus 'reds' and 'blues' in each state would fight for their state not to be part of whatever union they resided in. And then theres the legal ramifications...

It is a cool interesting thought though, but not realistically feasable. So keep hoping sox! The rapture is yet to come.

[redsox39]

Didnt I already do this thread like a month ago?

http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?t=11836&highlight=russian
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Re-added : I DID post this very thread a month ago.

As I sorta said on the original version of this thread last month.

http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?t=11836&highlight=russian (http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?t=11836&highlight=russian)
Next time, make a thread I didnt do a month earlier.



I don't know if you heard, but Tater's might have posted this a month or so ago... weird...

[taters]

^ Did I mention I made this post a month ago?


Just an FYI.

[Le Goat]

Your thread > His


to sox

[Fuh Q]

I can't see this happening unless the recession lasts another hundred years. And thats just the break up. No way is any state gonna come under Canadian or Chinese influence. Maybe the rising number of hispanics will allow some of the southern states to come under mexican influence (didnt someone say that by 2050 a third of americans will be hispanic or something?) but even thats a long shot. As for "Atlantic America", what would they have to gain by joining the EU? I just dont see it happening.

[Mustard]

Yeah... this guy is dumb, and this ain't happening.

[Skybase]

^ Did I mention I made this post a month ago?


Just an FYI.

Taters, until Barack gets into office, nobody cares what you have to say.

[kevin6387]

The midwest controls so much of hte crops for the US that there's no way one of the other territories wouldn't snap it up. They'd also need ports to survive.

[Mustard]

The midwest controls so much of hte crops for the US that there's no way one of the other territories wouldn't snap it up. They'd also need ports to survive.
You're absolutely right.

Good thing every other division according to this loon has major port cities in it..... ........................ ....

[Le Goat]

he who controls the Mississippi River control's the midwestern states

[Genius]

CA isn't very "free spirit". The Left is only tolerant of views they agree with. Kind of like communist China. As long as you think the state government is awesome, you'll be fine.
Yes. The California Left is so intolerant of views they disagree with, they're such big commies, that they've had a Republican governor for 8.5 of the last 11 terms, and recalled one of the two Democrats. THOSE GODLESS HIPPY BASTARDS!

[White Rhino]

Its pretty obvious that this guy is a joke. Any one that believes this will happen is a fucking retard. And I would rather be Canadian than Chinese. The Canucks have better weed. Is " Cheese Head " a derogatory or racist word?

[Okie Medicvet]

There is a better book dealing roughly with this topic, and it is called: "THE NINE NATIONS OF NORTH AMERICA".

http://www.amazon.com/Nine-Nations-North-America/dp/0380578859

[taters]

Looking at the map again, I doubt Kansas would stay with a 'midwestern nation', it has more in common with OK than Texas. Colorado and Arizona would be a toss up, but theres n way Utah would stay with ANY southwestern or western nation thats not their own. Likewise, New Mexico would never be part of any nation that Texas is part of. They, like west texas, are far more 'south western' than southern.

[IdiotBrain]

I don't think taters has ever been to Texas or NM.

I've been to both, and I'm fairly certain New Mexicans wouldn't mind being aligned with Texans if the shit hit the fan. After all, we tend to like guns booze and wide open spaces.

[taters]

I don't think taters has ever been to Texas or NM.

I've been to both, and I'm fairly certain New Mexicans wouldn't mind being aligned with Texans if the shit hit the fan. After all, we tend to like guns booze and wide open spaces.

I grew up in San Antonio on the east and west sides, off east commerce and then off West Buena Vista. I even lived in the Wheatly Courts area and Lincoln Heights. I know Warden has been there, he can confirm those areas not only exist, but follow every one of my previous descriptions of the city. I also lived in Houston near Texas Southern U (was not so good an area at the time), and just outside of incorporated Victoria.

I have family in albuquerqe, and have been to NM several times. I dont know wtf place you live in (your mentioning of guns = you probably live in a less populated area), but most city folks dont want anything to do with their neighboring state.

For that matter, people that live in West Texas socially and culturally have even less in common with northern and eastern Texas, which are for the most part lower midwestern and southern places culturally.

Either you live in some rural exclave, or you dont live where you claim and are relying on stereotypes (guns and booze) to assert your beliefs.

[Insomniac]

I still don't understand how a person could have such a fundamental misunderstanding of the U.S. as to think a break would go so neatly along state borders.

[Mustard]

I still don't understand how a person could have such a fundamental misunderstanding of the U.S. as to think a break would go so neatly along state borders.
I can understand it, because either he is...

A) A grade A fucking moron

or

B) Is saying this because of a motive which seems to me to be political. Oh, and because he is a fucking moron.

[Skybase]

I grew up in San Antonio on the east and west sides, off east commerce and then off West Buena Vista. I even lived in the Wheatly Courts area and Lincoln Heights. I know Warden has been there, he can confirm those areas not only exist, but follow every one of my previous descriptions of the city. I also lived in Houston near Texas Southern U (was not so good an area at the time), and just outside of incorporated Victoria.

I have family in albuquerqe, and have been to NM several times. I dont know wtf place you live in (your mentioning of guns = you probably live in a less populated area), but most city folks dont want anything to do with their neighboring state.

For that matter, people that live in West Texas socially and culturally have even less in common with northern and eastern Texas, which are for the most part lower midwestern and southern places culturally.

Either you live in some rural exclave, or you dont live where you claim and are relying on stereotypes (guns and booze) to assert your beliefs.

Taters, you're so cool.

[IdiotBrain]

I live in deep south Texas. Harlingen, to be exact... in an area referred to as the "Rio Grande Valley".

My work takes me from here to Oklahoma and to New Mexico, and everywhere in between.

No clue where I get my assertions.

[taters]

I live in deep south Texas. Harlingen, to be exact... in an area referred to as the "Rio Grande Valley".

My work takes me from here to Oklahoma and to New Mexico, and everywhere in between.

No clue where I get my assertions.

You live in the rio grande valley and you think west texas and new mexico have enough in common and would wish to join a 'Texas based southern nation"? You are aware of the majority demographic of that area (which is the same for the area I partially grew up in, and very similar to that of new mexico)?

Politically, most in those regions tend to learn democratic, and socially they are catholic moderates who are pro immigration. Not so with everything east and north of those regions.

As I said, the region has little in common with the rest of texas (which has more in common with the lower mid west, and the south).

Taters, you're so cool.


Fuckin A my negro!

[IdiotBrain]

http://www.esri.com/industries/elections/graphics/results_2004_lg.jpg

hmmmm

[Okie Medicvet]

yup, definitely living in a red state, definitely a red state. Wopner is on at 4pm, yeah, definitely 4pm.

[taters]

hmmmm


Are you serious? You are aware that

1. That map doesnt show voting trends by population, namely that San Antonio (1.6+ Million), Corpus Christi (700k +) and Laredo (800k +)have several times the population of all those other little red spots.


2. The state of Texas has been gerrymandered since the mid 90s redistricting (the incident where Governor Rick the Dick Perry, another south texas native, sent the rangers after the remaining state democrats...something I was still around for).


This is common knowledge in Texas ESPECIALLY south Texas, where the anti-immigration policies of the state repubs have been non-too popular, which is why I question the honesty of your claims to be from South Texas.

[IdiotBrain]

We're divided down here. I see just as many "Stop the border wall!" bumper stickers as I see "Build the wall!" stickers.

And considering 90%+ of the population down here is of Mexican descent.... isn't saying ESPECIALLY south Texas, where the anti-immigration policies of the state repubs have been non-too popular a bit redundant?

[supervixen*]

Either you live in some rural exclave, or you dont live where you claim and are relying on stereotypes (guns and booze) to assert your beliefs.

Taking this text quoted above, and taters' "suggestive" comments about me being not what/from where/whatever i claim to be into consideration, I suspect that taters might actually not be a racist black man, as he presents himself, but maybe.... *thinks* ...Nope. can't think of any nationality cultured stupidly enough raise creatures like that. Must be a new secret government experiment or something.

[taters]

We're divided down here. I see just as many "Stop the border wall!" bumper stickers as I see "Build the wall!" stickers.

And considering 90%+ of the population down here is of Mexican descent.... isn't saying a bit redundant?

Yes, but just because you see those stickers doesnt mean the majority of the people support it. If you are from Texas, you know as well as I do one neighborhood can see things a totally different way the an entire city surrounding it (Alamo Heights, Robestown and Katy are good examples).

Ive never been to Harlingen, but Ive spent a small amount of time in Brownsville, Kingsville and once went to McAllen. I didnt see much 'red' there, but as I said, I didnt spend that much time there. I just know the voting trends.

[Le Goat]

Yes, but just because you see those stickers doesnt mean the majority of the people support it. If you are from Texas, you know as well as I do one neighborhood can see things a totally different way the an entire city surrounding it (Alamo Heights, Robestown and Katy are good examples).

Ive never been to Harlingen, but Ive spent a small amount of time in Brownsville, Kingsville and once went to McAllen. I didnt see much 'red' there, but as I said, I didnt spend that much time there. I just know the voting trends.

Jesus Christ, just... just already. The ridiculous statements are becoming too much. I cant stop laughing.

[taters]

Jesus Christ, just... just already. The ridiculous statements are becoming too much. I cant stop laughing.

^

A MUCH better example of a person who doesnt know wtf they are talking about and has probably never set foot in Texas.

Cool your jets Goat, these are actual places in Texas that people who actually live there would know about (particularly those from south and east texas).

[billy1980]

if the split ever did happen, id move back to texas

[Gary_Busey]

I thought Goat lived in TX?

[taters]

He doesnt seem to know much about it.

I mean, I guess he could be one of those nutjob isolationist in west.....and east....and north....well, all over the fucking state.

[kevin6387]

taters explain why kansas has more in common with OK and TX than the rest of the midwest? Being from Missouri and going to school in Kansas, I'm gonna say you're full of shit, but I'd love to see you explain.

[TylerDurden]

I grew up in San Antonio on the east and west sides, off east commerce and then off West Buena Vista. I even lived in the Wheatly Courts area and Lincoln Heights. I know Warden has been there, he can confirm those areas not only exist, but follow every one of my previous descriptions of the city. I also lived in Houston near Texas Southern U (was not so good an area at the time), and just outside of incorporated Victoria.

I have family in albuquerqe, and have been to NM several times. I dont know wtf place you live in (your mentioning of guns = you probably live in a less populated area), but most city folks dont want anything to do with their neighboring state.

fuck... your family seems to be poppin' up franchises like fucking mcdonalds. any way you can stop fucking breeding?

[Yelram]

Right and wrong. The lefts tolerance is of people, not necessarily viewpoints (racists, uber capitolists, religious people).

The right (claims it) is tolerant of viewpoints, but not of people (gays, muslims, blacks, immigrants, mexicans, unions, feminists etc)

Re-added : I DID post this very thread a month ago.

So homosexuality isnt a viewpoint, but heterosexuality is?
Muslim isnt a viewpoint but "Religious people" is?
Immigrant is a person, not a viewpoint?
Immigrant and mexican are so similar it shouldnt have been listed twice
unions are based upon the VIEWPOINTS of those within a union, you are not born part of a union. Feminism is a viewpoint. You are such a fucking dumbass, I cant even put into words how totally vacant your scull cavity must be. The left only tolerates people who agree with them. It just happens they puppet low-income individuals by promising them everything, and then delivering them nothing.

[taters]

In mixed reverse order:

So homosexuality isnt a viewpoint, but heterosexuality is?

No, neither are viewpoints. Both are types of people.

Muslim isnt a viewpoint but "Religious people" is?

Ditto

Immigrant is a person, not a viewpoint?

??? obviously they are people

Immigrant and mexican are so similar it shouldnt have been listed twice

One can be a person of mexican descent and not an immigrant. Both are people. Neither are accepted by the right (by principle, no saying there are no mexicans on the right). What are you, fucking retarded? "Mexicans and Immigrants are the same??" WTF?



As I said, all are examples of different types of PEOPLE the right wing opposes. Sure, the right wing will claim to accept a viewpoint (not really, ask anyone whos watched more than 10 minutes of Fox News). But it does NOT accept people for who they are. Gays (a people), Minorities (a people), Muslims (a people), feminist (a people by culture) etc.

Youre arguing they arent people is just fucking stupid.

taters explain why kansas has more in common with OK and TX than the rest of the midwest? Being from Missouri and going to school in Kansas, I'm gonna say you're full of shit, but I'd love to see you explain.

Wow, a lot of people are taking stock in my opinion. Im glad youre paying attention.

IMO, Kansas shares the cultural conservatism thats predominant in OK and north Texas (which is far less in MO *and dont give me that they vote red bullshit, I havent been to a larger city in that state that isnt overwhelmingly blue*).

fuck... your family seems to be poppin' up franchises like fucking mcdonalds. any way you can stop fucking breeding?

Gotta spread the seed son. Anyways, most of my family still lives in TX. Im the only one in my immediate generation (not counting great aunts/uncles and cousins) to ever have left and lived in another state. Keep your white women away from me or Ill spread like dandelions!

[Le Goat]

^

A MUCH better example of a person who doesnt know wtf they are talking about and has probably never set foot in Texas.

Cool your jets Goat, these are actual places in Texas that people who actually live there would know about (particularly those from south and east texas).

what the fuck does this even mean?

[Yelram]

In mixed reverse order:




As I said, all are examples of different types of PEOPLE the right wing opposes. Sure, the right wing will claim to accept a viewpoint (not really, ask anyone whos watched more than 10 minutes of Fox News). But it does NOT accept people for who they are. Gays (a people), Minorities (a people), Muslims (a people), feminist (a people by culture) etc.

Youre arguing they arent people is just fucking stupid.





Last time I checked, the right LOVES mexicans, ones that enter the country legally. But i'm sure you are a Mexican hater since you dont like the current attorney General. I'm pretty sure republicans have put Mexican Americans in higher appointed positions of power than any democrat.People on the right hate people illegally entering our country, that is a viewpoint, that is a position you take, when you knowingly break the laws of this country. There is a difference between Muslims, and Muslim extremists. Just like there is a difference between Germans and Nazis. When we were fighting the Nazis, German Americans were often times pointing guns at people of their own ethnicity. Feminism is a viewpoint, it is a militant, gender oriented belief, not much different from Chauvinism, but for some reason, you could never have a serious chauvinist movement in this country or you're a bigot. Minorities? How can you assume that the "Right" hates "minorities". What you mean, is they disagree with minorities who hold certain beliefs. I havent met a right winger yet that doesnt like Condi Rice, or Clarence Thomas, but wait, dont you hate them? Maybe you are actually a right wing conservative (by your definition) and you dont even know it!! How crazy would that be?. We could argue all day about homosexuality, so i'm not going to wade into that water in this thread. You are of a political belief that separates people into groups, these groups are based upon political, and philosophical considerations, but you like to pretend that by disagreeing with their viewpoint, you are immediately oppressing the people. That is horseshit. You cant have some special philosophical point that is unique only to your race, or whatever group you have associated with.

[taters]

Last time I checked, the right LOVES mexicans, ones that enter the country legally. But i'm sure you are a Mexican hater since you dont like the current attorney General.

What are you, living in a cave? Alberta Gonzales ISNT THE AG any more. Hasnt been for a while. Really...you only make yourself look fucking stupider and stupider.

People on the right hate people illegally entering our country, that is a viewpoint, that is a position you take, when you knowingly break the laws of this country.

You actually made my reply within that sentence. So its not people you hate, its....people?


Feminism is a viewpoint, it is a militant, gender oriented belief, not much different from Chauvinism, but for some reason, you could never have a serious chauvinist movement in this country or you're a bigot.

Wow, you have serious insecurity issues. Feminism is a 'militant' belief? Yes, there are some 'militant' feminist (not actually militant, just active...militant implies some active reactionary or revolutionary modus). Still, if I were new here and read your description, that kinda sounds like...youre side hates them. Example-

"I dont HATE dogs. They are loud, obnoxious, violent, untrustworthy biting beasts that I would prefer die, but I dont hate them"


. What you mean, is they disagree with minorities who hold certain beliefs.

Look in any other the other threads we are discussing. Between you, goat, sox etc advocating black inferiority, sending illegal mexicans by force to mexico, shipping blacks away from the country, ethnically cleansing israel of muslims...you really have the gall to ask that? Really?

[redsox39]

Look in any other the other threads we are discussing. Between you, goat, sox etc advocating black inferiority, sending illegal mexicans by force to mexico, shipping blacks away from the country, ethnically cleansing israel of muslims...you really have the gall to ask that? Really?

Once again, you lie for a living. Find one example of Redsox claiming "Black Inferiority"

And once again, you can't.

Its one thing to make a mistake, it is a whole nother thing to slander and make shit up.

Seriously...

[taters]

Once again, you lie for a living. Find one example of Redsox claiming "Black Inferiority"

And once again, you can't.

Its one thing to make a mistake, it is a whole nother thing to slander and make shit up.

Seriously...

Just one? Oh but there are SO many-

In the Black Boys murder more, youre sarcastic post

Its because of poverty, and has nothing to do with anything else. Not the Neighborhood leadership, not the Families, not the non-existant fathers, not the entitlement mentality, not welfare, not the super-thug role models, it is just because no one will hire black people for good jobs, like Auburn Head coach.


http://forum.gorillamask.net/showpost.php?p=316000&postcount=2

[Le Goat]

Just one? Oh but there are SO many-

In the Black Boys murder more, youre sarcastic post



http://forum.gorillamask.net/showpost.php?p=316000&postcount=2

that's called a fact.

anyone on this bored will/has agreed to that.

[kevin6387]

Tater again you're an idiot. You talk about how MO's major cities are overwhelming blue. Guess the fucking location of Kansas City you tool. It's the border of KS and MO. That region also happens to be the most populous part of KS. Wichita is the next populous. They're both blue. Not much further from the KC suburbs (in kansas) is Lawrence which is extremely liberal. Don't talk about the cultures when you don't know shit about them.

I go to school at KU with tons of kids from Nebraska, Texas, Kansas, Missouri, Chicago area, and Minnesota. The Texas kids are the ones who stick out and have a completely different background culture. You are a pompous ass who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

[supervixen*]

"I dont HATE dogs. They are loud, obnoxious, violent, untrustworthy biting beasts that I would prefer die, but I dont hate them"
just lol


Look in any other the other threads we are discussing. Between you, goat, sox etc advocating black inferiority, sending illegal mexicans by force to mexico, shipping blacks away from the country, ethnically cleansing israel of muslims...you really have the gall to ask that? Really?
No..... people are actually ADVOCATING their governments to send illegal immigrants back to their homeland even if it's against the illegal immigrants' will???!!!! NOOOO.... The nerve!

you're a stupid wish-to-fuck, taters.

[Skybase]

What are you, living in a cave?


RACIST!

[taters]

You talk about how MO's major cities are overwhelming blue. Guess the fucking location of Kansas City you tool. It's the border of KS and MO. That region also happens to be the most populous part of KS. Wichita is the next populous. They're both blue. Not much further from the KC suburbs (in kansas) is Lawrence which is extremely liberal. Don't talk about the cultures when you don't know shit about them.

kevin your a fucking moron. Do you really think the entire state of KS would stay with a midwestern nation because ONE CITY geographically located at a potential border has some leanings toward it? Thats not only retarded, its extraordinarily improbable.

I go to school at KU with tons of kids from Nebraska, Texas, Kansas, Missouri, Chicago area, and Minnesota. The Texas kids are the ones who stick out and have a completely different background culture. You are a pompous ass who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

That would be because its a college, moron. Schools take people from all over the country. Im from Texas, and I went to colleges in Washington, Idaho and Minnesota. Does that somehow mean that Texas has a lot culturally in common with any of those states? Ive got ocean front property to sell you in Idaho if you you think so.

No..... people are actually ADVOCATING their governments to send illegal immigrants back to their homeland even if it's against the illegal immigrants' will???!!!! NOOOO.... The nerve

The princess from the stolen homeland which kicks the places original inhabitants out is arguing on behalf of removing immigrants somewhere else? LOL

Your homeland has possibly the worst problem with its recent immigrants. They took over the lands, kicked out most of the original inhabitants, imprisoned and sectioned off the rest, and claim that they have a right to the lands stolen simply because its small and they, as the superior peoples, deserve it. Wow.

[Le Goat]

Hey tater. I've visited Florida, Washington, Green Bay, Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, Georgia, South Carolina, Mexico and Cali which of course, make me an expert on their completely different culture so should you need to know anything bout anything regarding anybody, just ask me so I can give you the TRUTH about everything.

[redsox39]

Just one? Oh but there are SO many-

In the Black Boys murder more, youre sarcastic post



http://forum.gorillamask.net/showpost.php?p=316000&postcount=2

Are you serious? So by pointing out the "woe is me, it ain't my fault mentality" that BLACK CULTURE (your words) has created, I am claiming white Superiority?

Seriously...

[redsox39]

The princess from the stolen homeland which kicks the places original inhabitants out is arguing on behalf of removing immigrants somewhere else? LOL

.

Apparently, Tater's has given back his home to the Mexicans.

So by Tater's Logic it is not fair to take the Mexicans land, or the Indians land, or anyone elses land in the past, unless you are Jewish, then it is "Kosher".