9/11 vs. Iraq War WHO YA GOT???

[BIG PIZZLE]

Taking all things into consideration, death toll, cost, my sexy ass, etc... If you had to pick one before all this shit went down which would you subject the world to?

[WET HOT MESS]

The short one.

[BIG PIZZLE]

Arch's penis?

[wacker]

Sept. 11. It had better TV.

[Archangel]

Arch's penis?

Stop thinking about my dong all the time.

[BIG PIZZLE]

Actually only 1/4 of an inch of the time.

[redsox39]

What's with the Rep? I tried to give Piz some good rep for a good question...but it says "error on page" no matter how many time I refresh! *Edit: got the 411*

I say 9/11...damn good question man. Makes you think.

[Gary_Busey]

What's with the Rep? I tried to give Piz some good rep for a good question...but it says "error on page" no matter how many time I refresh! *Edit: got the 411*

I say 9/11...damn good question man. Makes you think.
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[redsox39]

lol, yeah right. I heard there was log in problems too...

and I almost Trusted you!

[BIG PIZZLE]

I gave your mom log in problems.

[Gary_Busey]

lol, yeah right. I heard there was log in problems too...

and I almost Trusted you!
DAMN!

[Limp]

Try logging out, clearing your cookies in your browser, and then log back in.
Repped

[CrazyCarl]

lol, yeah right. I heard there was log in problems too...

and I almost Trusted you!
there are only problems with the old cookie

[BIG PIZZLE]

I gave your mom's old cookie problems.

[CrazyCarl]

your mom had an old cookie problem, but then I fixed it by having sex with her

[Gary_Busey]

I fucked your mom in her asshole and then ate a cookie.

[BIG PIZZLE]

Mine is clearly the best.

[supervixen*]

That's terrible.
I'd rather non of them. Would rather the 9/11 didn't happen and would rather the Iraq war wasn't necessary (and hence wouldn't happen).

But taking into consideration everything that -did- happen - sure, the Iraq war.
That is, would you really rather 11/9 happen with that many innocent people get killed and only 10 (or how many there were there) low-rank terrorists dead, instead of a militant force invading Iraq and then even if there are some casualties on our side at least tons of bad donkey-fuckers terrorists, high in the hierarchy, getting squished and vanish of the face of the earth?...

[The GWD]

Plenty of innocent people in Iraq getting squished and vanished.

[BIG PIZZLE]

That's terrible.
I'd rather non of them. Would rather the 9/11 didn't happen and would rather the Iraq war wasn't necessary (and hence wouldn't happen).

But taking into consideration everything that -did- happen - sure, the Iraq war.
That is, would you really rather 11/9 happen with that many innocent people get killed and only 10 (or how many there were there) low-rank terrorists dead, instead of a militant force invading Iraq and then even if there are some casualties on our side at least tons of bad donkey-fuckers terrorists, high in the hierarchy, getting squished and vanish of the face of the earth?...More US soldiers have died in Iraq than people on 9/11 (over 4,000 soldiers killed or suspected dead-and counting vs. 2,752 dead civilians). Over 30,000 soldiers have been wounded--I guess that's anything from a sprained ankle to missing limbs and complete paralysis. Almost 100,000 Iraqi civilians have died as well. You dont know what you are talking about but thanks for playing.

[redsox39]

Plenty of innocent people in Iraq getting squished and vanished.

But that was happening before we got there, so life seems pretty normal.

[The GWD]

Before we got there it wasn't on us.

[freegood]

where is the "rape the covetous Jew" option?

[supervixen*]

More US soldiers have died in Iraq than people on 9/11 (over 4,000 soldiers killed or suspected dead-and counting vs. 2,752 dead civilians). Over 30,000 soldiers have been wounded--I guess that's anything from a sprained ankle to missing limbs and complete paralysis. Almost 100,000 Iraqi civilians have died as well. You dont know what you are talking about but thanks for playing.
Yeah but at least now you got terrorists that are way more high up dead, meaning less terror attacks planned against the US and other "western" cultures.

[WET HOT MESS]

Um... no, that means more angry people breeding angry kids... like another generation of hate.

[BIG PIZZLE]

You honestly believe that there's a super significant terrorist hierarchy? Like they get promotions and shit? You're a dumb bitch. I guarantee that the Iraq invasion has created more terrorists than it has killed.

[Alcestis]

Yeah but at least now you got terrorists that are way more high up dead, meaning less terror attacks planned against the US and other "western" cultures.

less terror attacks? Your intellitect is showing.

Let me make this simple for you to understand: "it's like an terrorist* assembly line - one dies, they train another and so on and so on..."

[IdiotBrain]

At least in Iraq the civilians had the chance to GTFO of harms way most of the time.

In 99% of the cases, the Iraqi citizens knew shit was about to go down, and had the choice to go elsewhere.



The people in the towers didn't have that luxury.

[BIG PIZZLE]

Yeah, they could have just hopped in their cars and flipped for a hotel room in vegas. It's really that easy, fucktard.

[IdiotBrain]

Or put their hands up and walked calmly past the advancing marines, been frisked and shooed along.

"Oh shit our town is about to get hit by artillery... we don't have a car, or a camel... WHAT ARE WE EVER TO DO?"


How about walk?

Where there is a will, there is away. You seem to be of the mind that these people cannot do shit for themselves.

[supervixen*]

Actually, I know there's hierarchy in terror groups.
True, they train more and more terrorists all the time, but it's not because of the invasion to Iraq. or not JUST because of it. The invasion was just the trigger - if it wasn't the invasion, it would've been something else.

As for the "some" casualties, I apologize if it sounded dissing in any way, that wasn't the point.
I'm aware there were more than plenty KIA/MIA American soldiers and Iraqi civilians, and I respect each and every one of them. But because I don't know the exact numbers, I don't want to guess and say a number that's far from the actual facts and sound even more disrespecting.

But really, at least the Iraq war started for a purpose, for the greater good, while the 9/11 was just... a bunch of people that hate the western world and try to destroy it.

[Ace Rockola]

Actually, I know there's hierarchy in terror groups.

TERRORIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111

[supervixen*]

Actually, I know there's hierarchy in terror groups.
True, they train more and more terrorists all the time, but it's not because of the invasion to Iraq. or not JUST because of it. The invasion was just the trigger - if it wasn't the invasion, it would've been something else.

As for the "some" casualties, I apologize if it sounded dissing in any way, that wasn't the point.
I'm aware there were more than plenty KIA/MIA American soldiers and Iraqi civilians, and I respect each and every one of them. But because I don't know the exact numbers, I don't want to guess and say a number that's far from the actual facts and sound even more disrespecting.

But really, at least the Iraq war started for a purpose, for the greater good, while the 9/11 was just... a bunch of people that hate the western world and try to destroy it.

Just adding to the post, to make what I was trying to say there clearer:
By the "greater good" I mean that at least you fight back. Not just letting terror groups have you, Americans, however and wherever they want while you sit back with your arms crossed. But at least try put an end to it.

[BIG PIZZLE]

The Iraq war was started because of faulty intelligence which was nurtured and elaborated by politicians and people with a lot of money that held a grudge against Iraq from the very first Gulf war. The people who run things never forgot, they also believed that they could pillage Iraq's oil fields. A grudge and money, how great is that good? Even the president of the united states has admitted that the war was started under false pretences. Sadam tried to kill Bush's daddy during the first gulf war. The first gulf war was started because of an american fear that Saddam Hussein would control the Persian Gulf and usurp the Saudi’s (a U.S. ally) practical monopoly of oil in the area. Greater good my ass. Kuwait was sipping Saddam's milkshake and owed him money. He told the US he was going to invade. It's all about money. Being a jew, you should know better. Do you know how much money the US dumps into trying to destroy other governments? The more you post the more it seems that you’re a naïve, ignorant little girl. You should really look into things before forming and trying to express fallacious opinions.

[freegood]

This poll is like asking whether you want your kid to be killed by a drunk driver or if you want to slice off your hand while drunk and huffing spray cans.

[WET HOT MESS]

That's an easy one there. Spray cans.

[supervixen*]

Maybe very much so.
But nevertheless, I say thousands of terrorists caught under terms they didn't plan to and killed, are way less bad of an option than 10-20 terrorists killed while doing their thing, on their own terms, and killing Americans or whatever other western-considered country's civilians.
My opinion.

[supervixen*]

This poll is like asking whether you want your kid to be killed by a drunk driver or if you want to slice off your hand while drunk and huffing spray cans.
You mean more like asking whether you want your kid killed by a drunk driver or killed caught in a gangs-shooting.

But yeah, I tend to agree. Very much.

[freegood]

No. We followed that fucking moron like merry little lemmings without demanding that he have a detailed plan for what would happen after he kicked out Saddam.

9/11 could be considered avoidable, but to be fair it was inflicted upon us. The Iraq clusterfuck, we did to ourselves.

[BIG PIZZLE]

And a whole bunch of other people.

[White Rhino]

The Iraq war. Somebody had to get there mits in the middle east. I am not happy with the way things have turned out there, but I am glad it is us there instead of Russia or China.

[Ace Rockola]

Because we clearly have such a grasp on the Middle East, and our influence can be felt all through it.

All the Iraq War did was become a recruiting tool for more terrorist to hate us. Plain and simple. They don't hate our 'freedom', they don't envy our way of life, they don't want democracy. That region has been fighting with each other since the dawn of time, nothing we say or do is going to change that.

The Iraq war was started because of faulty intelligence which was nurtured and elaborated by politicians and people with a lot of money that held a grudge against Iraq from the very first Gulf war. The people who run things never forgot, they also believed that they could pillage Iraq's oil fields. A grudge and money, how great is that good? Even the president of the united states has admitted that the war was started under false pretences. Sadam tried to kill Bush's daddy during the first gulf war. The first gulf war was started because of an american fear that Saddam Hussein would control the Persian Gulf and usurp the Saudi’s (a U.S. ally) practical monopoly of oil in the area. Greater good my ass. Kuwait was sipping Saddam's milkshake and owed him money. He told the US he was going to invade. It's all about money.

At least if Russia and China were there, it'd be their military dying for nothing.

[mongo]

iraq is half a world away. /end thread

[White Rhino]

Because we clearly have such a grasp on the Middle East, and our influence can be felt all through it.

All the Iraq War did was become a recruiting tool for more terrorist to hate us. Plain and simple. They don't hate our 'freedom', they don't envy our way of life, they don't want democracy. That region has been fighting with each other since the dawn of time, nothing we say or do is going to change that.



At least if Russia and China were there, it'd be their military dying for nothing.


Look beyond the now. whoever controls the oil controls the worlds greatest military. You don't see jets and tanks running off of hydroelectric power.

[Whiffleball]

9/11.

Because if the Iraq War didn't happen, we could have invested more men, money and materiel into finding Osama bin Laden and actually could have got some justice for 9/11, thus deterring terrorist groups from fucking with us again, rather than attacking an Arab country for no viable reason and thus giving those terrorist groups the best recruiting tool they could ever ask for.

Oh, and "if those innocent Iraqis didn't want to die, they should have just left" is so retarded, it must be enlightened. The next time a major hurricane or tornado is expected in the United States, instead of relief efforts, emergency aid and rebuilding infrastructure, we'll just say, "Get walking, people!"

And conquering the world in order to attain valuable resources with no regard to human life or political/social consequences down the line is brilliant and has never failed an over-the-top hawkish, interventionist belligerent country ever. Germany invaded Russia to get living space and the oil in the Caucasus and nothing bad happened to them. Same with Japan invading China to get all the shit their tiny little islands didn't have.

[Hoser]

Yeah but at least now you got terrorists that are way more high up dead, meaning less terror attacks planned against the US and other "western" cultures.

Someone will just take their place. Someone will be pissed the US came in and did what they did and will plot against them and pull off another attack.

When you flex muscle like the us does and tries to be the worlds police officers you are going to make a lot of enemies.

Yes 9/11 was a horrible thing, but I would take that again way before another major war. Hell just the death toll alone shows very clearly which was more costly to the US, let alone the financial burden it has caused.

[Hoser]

At least in Iraq the civilians had the chance to GTFO of harms way most of the time.

In 99% of the cases, the Iraqi citizens knew shit was about to go down, and had the choice to go elsewhere.



The people in the towers didn't have that luxury.

Alot of those people didn't have the means to leave the country, and many would have probably been killed on their way out.

People in the US could have known something was going to happen, but it was kept in the dark for the most part. The gov wanted you guys to continue with your happy lives not having a clue until it was to late. Once it was to late and everyone was in fear and gave their full backing to to whatever was needed the Government could do anything they wanted.

Two words: Fear Mongering

[Yelram]

The Iraq war was started because of faulty intelligence which was nurtured and elaborated by politicians and people with a lot of money that held a grudge against Iraq from the very first Gulf war. The people who run things never forgot, they also believed that they could pillage Iraq's oil fields. A grudge and money, how great is that good? Even the president of the united states has admitted that the war was started under false pretences. Sadam tried to kill Bush's daddy during the first gulf war. The first gulf war was started because of an american fear that Saddam Hussein would control the Persian Gulf and usurp the Saudi’s (a U.S. ally) practical monopoly of oil in the area. Greater good my ass. Kuwait was sipping Saddam's milkshake and owed him money. He told the US he was going to invade. It's all about money. Being a jew, you should know better. Do you know how much money the US dumps into trying to destroy other governments? The more you post the more it seems that you’re a naïve, ignorant little girl. You should really look into things before forming and trying to express fallacious opinions.

Wow, I cant believe there are people as impressionable as you. By a "grudge" do you mean 16 UN resolutions threatening the use of force? What you claim we are doing in Iraq is what Saddam was doing to Kuwait during the first gulf war. Wheres all the oil we stole? I just dont see it. It is about money though, securing the economy of Iraq for the future of the Iraqi people, instead of Saddam and a select group of Bathists. And ensuring we have another democratic ally in the middle east. If you are fucking stupid enough to think that Bush invaded Iraq because "saddam tried to kill my daddy", you are a fucking dumb tool.

[Yelram]

9/11.

Because if the Iraq War didn't happen, we could have invested more men, money and materiel into finding Osama bin Laden and actually could have got some justice for 9/11, thus deterring terrorist groups from fucking with us again, rather than attacking an Arab country for no viable reason and thus giving those terrorist groups the best recruiting tool they could ever ask for.

Oh, and "if those innocent Iraqis didn't want to die, they should have just left" is so retarded, it must be enlightened. The next time a major hurricane or tornado is expected in the United States, instead of relief efforts, emergency aid and rebuilding infrastructure, we'll just say, "Get walking, people!"

And conquering the world in order to attain valuable resources with no regard to human life or political/social consequences down the line is brilliant and has never failed an over-the-top hawkish, interventionist belligerent country ever. Germany invaded Russia to get living space and the oil in the Caucasus and nothing bad happened to them. Same with Japan invading China to get all the shit their tiny little islands didn't have.

I bet you play chess one move at a time, and you totally suck at it right? You somehow think killing Osama bin Laden is going to make the muslim world calm right down, but somehow removing a secularist dictator from control of a muslim country is going to piss them off? It doesnt piss them off, it gives them opportunity. You think they are fighting the US in Iraq because they just dont like the US? THEY ARE FUCKING TRYING TO TURN IRAQ INTO ANOTHER IRAN. They were trying to do that in the 80s when we supported Iraq against Iran, and now that theres a power vacuum, Iraq has become like fly paper for Iranian state sponsored terror groups. In otherwords, it allowed us to fight a war with Iran, and free a country of oppressed people, while at the same time not directly confronting war with the true enemy of the region, Iran, and removing a dictator that we originally propped up.

[BIG PIZZLE]

So that's good?

[BIG PIZZLE]

Wow, I cant believe there are people as impressionable as you. By a "grudge" do you mean 16 UN resolutions threatening the use of force? What you claim we are doing in Iraq is what Saddam was doing to Kuwait during the first gulf war. Wheres all the oil we stole? I just dont see it. It is about money though, securing the economy of Iraq for the future of the Iraqi people, instead of Saddam and a select group of Bathists. And ensuring we have another democratic ally in the middle east. If you are fucking stupid enough to think that Bush invaded Iraq because "saddam tried to kill my daddy", you are a fucking dumb tool.

You're right, god told Bush to invade (http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Misc/misc.news.internet.discuss/2005-10/msg00275.html). Plus, there is proof that Bush wanted to invade long before 9/11 (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/10/oneill.bush/). Their fuckign prime minister (the guy that was standing beside bush while shoes were being launched and the US's main source of information before the invasion) wanted to kill Hussein back in the 80s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouri_al-Maliki). Bias? But honestly I dont think you can read. It was (and I said that) Kuwait stole oil (http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA%20Hits/Iraq_CIAHits.html). There are other sources for what I have said, pull your head out of your ass and look it up. 16 UN resolutions? Really that's why the US invaded? You're actually saying that with a straight face? How much certifiable genocide is going on right now in countries whose asses we could surely kick and not a peep out of anyone (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=active&q=genocide+africa&aq=f&oq=genocide+afric). When have allys ever been created through bombing? Plus what kind of a US ally kicks the US military out of their country? You think that Iraqis respect the US (http://www.reuters.com/article/middleeastCrisis/idUSL3462480), you think that government is going to give us a dime? You're a fucking moron. I'm not going to get roped into your trolling because you believe that the Iraq war is a success NOW so there's no real point in trying to argue with your stupid ass. That other chick is just a dumb little girl, you're a delusional moron that's beyond any logical reproach.