View Full Version : Change the overtime rule?
The Batman
01-06-2009, 02:25 PM
I was reading an article on Si.com with Banks and King discussing why the overtime rules should/should not be changed.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/01/06/OT-debate/index.html?eref=T1
So, change em from the current NFL rules to the college rules where both teams get the ball?
NOTKyle
01-06-2009, 02:28 PM
Tennis overtime?
Cereal eating overtime?
WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT I H8 LINX
The Batman
01-06-2009, 02:32 PM
Tennis overtime?
Cereal eating overtime?
WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT I H8 LINX
coin flip. yes or no. change to college rules?
sorry, at work, didn't think about that.
NOTKyle
01-06-2009, 02:33 PM
What else would we flip?
nuclearjew
01-06-2009, 02:34 PM
Tennis overtime?
Cereal eating overtime?
WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT I H8 LINX
I'm gonna guess it's the NFL overtime rule, based on the fact he used an NFL prefix. D'oh!
NOTKyle
01-06-2009, 02:41 PM
That could mean anything.
The Batman
01-06-2009, 02:45 PM
That could mean anything.
Do we go to college rules and have them both play or keep the nfl rules?
Morfin
01-06-2009, 02:46 PM
I like the college format; the NFL could tweak it to start farther out since the field goal might be too easy to achieve. Either that or go a full 15-minute quarter -- not sudden death (like in the NBA), so each team is going to get a chance on offense.
Tony Dungy's comment (prior to their OT loss) was that he liked the current format and that while it is an advantage to win the coin toss, the team that loses the toss has a chance -- defensively -- to stop the other team. The result in that game, with the 3 defensive penalties -- earned or unearned -- proved to me exactly why I believe Dungy is wrong and the format needs to be changed.
redsox39
01-06-2009, 02:56 PM
I think we could all agree that if it was the 3rd quarter, that being on the 50 yard line would be good field position. It requires you to get a few 1st downs, but you are on the downhill side of scoring. Start it on the 50 for the first over time, both teams. (instead of the 25) then the 45 for the 2nd OT. The 40 for the 3rd OT and so on.
The Batman
01-06-2009, 02:57 PM
I like the college format; the NFL could tweak it to start farther out since the field goal might be too easy to achieve. Either that or go a full 15-minute quarter -- not sudden death (like in the NBA), so each team is going to get a chance on offense.
Tony Dungy's comment (prior to their OT loss) was that he liked the current format and that while it is an advantage to win the coin toss, the team that loses the toss has a chance -- defensively -- to stop the other team. The result in that game, with the 3 defensive penalties -- earned or unearned -- proved to me exactly why I believe Dungy is wrong and the format needs to be changed.
If you read the article, I think that Don Banks makes some fair points, but I am with you. Both teams should have a shot at touching the ball.
heelsguy
01-06-2009, 03:05 PM
yes, change it. both teams get the ball on offense one time. from that point on, it becomes sudden death. if one team scores on it's possession, the other team get the ball for one chance to at least tie it or the game is over.
Penguin Rick
01-06-2009, 07:33 PM
The NFL would be taking major steps backward if it instituted a college playoff. It's fun to watch at the college level, but the pros play defense.
And besides, last time I check, it is possible to score on defense.
Syndicate
01-06-2009, 07:41 PM
Anything to make sure Peyton wins right? Fuck that.
nuclearjew
01-06-2009, 08:39 PM
I think they should just play out a full 15 minute OT. If it's tied at the end, it's a tie.
nuclearjew
01-06-2009, 08:40 PM
Or even better yet, maybe there shouldn't even be an overtime. Let games end in ties. It would make you either settle for ties or could create more excitement with two-point conversions.
shdaow
01-06-2009, 08:50 PM
I like the college style shootout format...
Each team gets a try on offence, and if one team out scores the other (i.e scores a TD vs. a FG, or scores a FG vs. 3 and out), that team wins. The only issue would be time for obvious reasons... so maybe make it try/time limited or something of that variation (which the CFL institutes) You could have it so both teams attack the same side of the field to negate any elemental factors.
nuclearjew
01-06-2009, 09:03 PM
I'd only like the college style if you kicked off to the other team. Starting on the 25-yd line is only good in college where the kickers are shit.
Insomniac
01-06-2009, 09:07 PM
I adore the sudden-death overtime.
No one ever lost because they didn't get first possession. They lost because they played poorly.
What makes sudden death so exciting is that any play could be the end of the game. A broken tackle, a long pass, a fumble, or an interception. There's no room for error.
If, like the Colts, you make lots of errors, you should expect to lose. They lost the game before overtime, anyway.
I like the current rules. If you lose the toss, play defense well to get a shot.
If I were to make a change, the only change would be to move the spot of the kickoff in OT forward a bit... maybe to the 35. That gives the offense a little bit of a longer field.
Lone Wolf
01-06-2009, 09:21 PM
More things need to be decided by a flip of a coin
nuclearjew
01-06-2009, 09:22 PM
More things need to be decided by a flip of a coin
Yeah, like whether or not to ban people.
NOTKyle
01-06-2009, 09:22 PM
I'd only like the college style if you kicked off to the other team. Starting on the 25-yd line is only good in college where the kickers are shit.
If it was ever to happen in the NFL I think they'd either kick off or start from the 40 or 50.
heelsguy
01-06-2009, 09:31 PM
I adore the sudden-death overtime.
No one ever lost because they didn't get first possession. They lost because they played poorly.
What makes sudden death so exciting is that any play could be the end of the game. A broken tackle, a long pass, a fumble, or an interception. There's no room for error.
If, like the Colts, you make lots of errors, you should expect to lose. They lost the game before overtime, anyway.
not true.
if you have a team that is built around an all-world offense, to have a coin flip determine that offense just sits on the sidelines is stupid. the point is to determine the BEST TEAM on that night. both tied after 1 hour of game time. now you just let a coin decide that a team does not have to stop an all-world offense?
Jericho
01-06-2009, 09:39 PM
Eliminate FGs. Get into the end zone to win it
Eliminate FGs. Get into the end zone to win it
That's lame.
That's like saying special teams is not a real part of the game.
nuclearjew
01-06-2009, 09:53 PM
The Hall of Fame decided that years ago!
You got to think that Vinatieri will get some serious consideration.
Jericho
01-06-2009, 10:01 PM
That's lame.
That's like saying special teams is not a real part of the game.
It is, but it would keep teams from spurting out little run after little run to inch closer to FG position
shdaow
01-06-2009, 10:57 PM
I'd only like the college style if you kicked off to the other team. Starting on the 25-yd line is only good in college where the kickers are shit.
I forgot about that, I'd be all for that too. I'd also have it where after 3-downs, the team can punt it to the opposing team to start their drive, thus allowing for awesome coffin corner punts, and allowing teams to make the decision of "do I try to score a long FG/go for the first down and risk prime field position for the other team, or just punt it away and make it harder for them to score".
Da Raider
01-07-2009, 11:18 AM
NFL overtime rule should stay exactly the way it is during the regular season and should go to 1 additional 15 minute period during the playoffs. If still tied, repeat with an additional 15 minute period.
The Batman
01-07-2009, 11:32 AM
NFL overtime rule should stay exactly the way it is during the regular season and should go to 1 additional 15 minute period during the playoffs. If still tied, repeat with an additional 15 minute period.
As usual, Raiders fan don't know what they are talking about.
Snatch
01-07-2009, 11:33 AM
As long as it isn't the college system. The college system is so fucking stupid.
It hurts teams that play defense. It's a fucking soccer shootout.
Da Raider
01-08-2009, 12:30 AM
As usual, Raiders fan don't know what they are talking about.
You have to be one of the dumbest posters on this board. Seriously.
The Batman
01-08-2009, 01:37 PM
You have to be one of the dumbest posters on this board. Seriously.
And you have to be the one of the biggest pieces of shit on this board. Seriously.
the creeps
01-08-2009, 02:29 PM
i have always heard that "D" wins games. if you lose the coin flop, stop the drive on "D" and gives your guys the ball.
peter king idea is bullshit. he wants to give both teams one look at the ball, and if they both score then you go with the first team that scores after that. it just sounds like kid "everyone gets an award for trying" soft new-age bullshit.
you win the flip you get the ball, you score, you win. if you don't like it, stop them. it is not like every drive in the NFL ends in a TD or FG.
Archetype
01-08-2009, 02:38 PM
That could mean anything.
Noogies for lepers.
The Batman
01-08-2009, 02:41 PM
i have always heard that "D" wins games. if you lose the coin flop, stop the drive on "D" and gives your guys the ball.
Well the opposite is also true. I mean the Colts rode their offense to the playoff's, not their defense, so why shouldn't the offense have a shot?
justhere
01-08-2009, 04:40 PM
Importing the college rules would not be a good idea in my book. I also like that the current system doesn't give bias towards offense or defense. The college structure is clearly designed to favor scoring, and as such, I would hate to see it ported to the NFL.
The main problem right now is that the majority of the time, the team that wins the coin flip wins the game. That is a terrible realization to face after losing a closely played game - especially if it is a postseason game!
All you need to do to fix the main flaw is guarantee that each team gets a minimum of one possession, so if whoever wins the coin toss scores, the other team is still guaranteed a possession. This maintains the importance of special teams and defense while eliminating the sense that you lost the game because you lost a coin toss. The style of the game would be exactly the same as the current OT with no real impact on game plan. This seems to be the simplest fix.
I'm with heelsguy.
Genius
01-08-2009, 04:47 PM
Play quarters until there is a winner at the end of one. You get tired? Fuck you, quit.
SilverBullet
01-08-2009, 08:55 PM
Well the opposite is also true. I mean the Colts rode their offense to the playoff's, not their defense, so why shouldn't the offense have a shot?
They had multiple shots through the first 4 quarters. Its their own fault they didn't get it done. The rules shouldn't be changed. Fuck the teams that complain about not getting a shot. Get it done in regulation and guess what? You won't have to worry about a fucking coin flip.
The Batman
01-08-2009, 10:19 PM
They had multiple shots through the first 4 quarters. Its their own fault they didn't get it done. The rules shouldn't be changed. Fuck the teams that complain about not getting a shot. Get it done in regulation and guess what? You won't have to worry about a fucking coin flip.
But the other team didn't get the win either, besides why make the game based solely on luck rather than a true match?
Well the opposite is also true. I mean the Colts rode their offense to the playoff's, not their defense, so why shouldn't the offense have a shot?
Are you on crack? The Colts' defense was great during their winning stretch to the playoffs.
Jericho
01-08-2009, 10:25 PM
But the other team didn't get the win either, besides why make the game based solely on luck rather than a true match?
They had 4 quarters of a full match.