Legalize it?

[Dr. Doctor]

Recently I was arrested for possession of marijuana, a small amount at that.

And was in prison 5 hours later laying on a plastic bed in an orange jump suit asking myself why the fuck I ever considered voting McCain.

Now obviously, I think that the current legality of it is bullshit, as no one should be thrown in jail for a joint.

Thoughts? Opinions?

[Kerjack]

DID THEY PUT THEIR FINGER INSIDE OF YOU?!

[Daydreamer]

no they didn't, just his cellmate did.

[Morfin]

Yeah, I have thoughts.

First, you were not in prison, you were in jail.

Second, if this is important to you, move to a state that is decriminalizing.

Third, no it shouldn't be illegal to use it.

Fourth, if you want the law changed, why don't you do something to get it changed instead of whining about it.

[The Dude]

is there a specific relevance to the constitution that you'd like to draw or can this be moved into P&C?

[NOTKyle]

I added a poll, cause I'm curious.

[feith]

i have also had run-in's with the police for the same thing.
i was not sent to jail.
i paid a fine and had community service.

it should NOT be legalized cause honestly the prices will sky-rocket due to taxes.


also, how do you get caught with a joint?
throw/hide/eat that shit.

[Le Goat]

You were not in prison you fucking retard. You were in a local hold

[NOTKyle]

If it was legalized and they taxed it it'd just be expensive to buy it in the liquor store/gas station. If anything individual growers prices would lower, it's pure economics.

[The Dude]

I added a poll, cause I'm curious.

i added an option because i am too

[NOTKyle]

i added an option because i am too

Good choice. I'm assuming by decriminalized you mean everyones allowed to have it, but you can't buy it in a store still?

[Morfin]

It should NOT be legalized cause honestly the prices will sky-rocket due to taxes.

Funny, I want it legalized for the tax revenue. (and, actually, the price would drop because the current price factors in the risk of illegality to grow and distribute.)

[The Dude]

Good choice. I'm assuming by decriminalized you mean everyones allowed to have it, but you can't buy it in a store still?

The history

In 1976, the Netherlands decriminalised possession of soft drugs such as cannabis. To cater for demand, outlets quickly cropped up in around the country, specifically in the capital, Amsterdam. These establishments are known as 'coffee shops', but most patrons don't hang out there for a caffeine fix. It's dope that floats their boat.
So am I free to get stoned?

Technically, the sale of cannabis remains an offence in Holland, and dealing in the streets remains illegal. Even so, possession of less than 30 grams for personal use carries only a minor punishment, and coffee shops are restricted to flogging no more than five grams per person. The catch is you have to be 18 or over. Smoking in public is tolerated, too, but many Brit tokers report that such a laid back attitude takes some getting used to. As a result, they prefer to remain free from all risk of coming into conflict with the law by only smoking in the coffee shop.
What about stuff like ecstasy or coke?

Coffee houses don't take kindly to punters who come in looking for something other than weed. Why? Because drug policy in the Netherlands makes a broad distinction between hard and soft drugs. Their tolerance towards soft drugs such as cannabis basically frees them up to devote more effort to counter the trade in harder substances like heroin and cocaine, and maintain addiction recovery programmes. It means no legitimate coffee shop will supply or even stock anything other than hash, so don't ask.
What's the procedure when I walk into a coffee shop?

The law forbids coffee shops to advertise the sale and availability of cannabis, which can make things a little confusing. As a Brit, you will look either a) shifty and out of your depth or b) hideously overconfident. Either way, look for a 'marijuana menu', often in booklet form, and then make a selection from there. Just don't be tempted to go for the strongest stuff on offer if you've never tried it before. Amsterdam hash has a reputation for being way stronger than Brit weed and you could wind up ruining your weekend. If in doubt, ask the staff. They'll be happy to help.
What's the deal with duty free drugs?

There is no deal. Attempting to smuggle drugs out of Holland is a criminal offence, no matter how insignificant the amount. It's no good arguing that you were bringing some home as a 'keepsake', the customs officer will be snapping on the glove in no time.

[Bizz]

Good choice. I'm assuming by decriminalized you mean everyones allowed to have it, but you can't buy it in a store still?

Which is kinda like it is here.

[Le Goat]

Fucking stupid ass options. Raise the amount one can have on person and so they only go after dealers.

[NOTKyle]

I think it'd fucking great if it was legalized, and there was a high tax on it. It would do nothing to help regular smokers with good connections. Dealers would be forced to lower their prices, and the only people that'd buy weed in stores would be older folks with no connections and irregular smokers that don't have a dealer on speed dial.

Win win for stoners across America.

[Morfin]

Treat it just like alcohol. Pure and simple.

[NOTKyle]

Fucking stupid ass options. Raise the amount one can have on person and so they only go after dealers.

That's the same as decriminalized. In states with such laws, its still illegal to deal.

In Denver I think you can have up to an ounce on your person legally.

[feith]

i'm saying the prices will go up from a inter-city view..
nics and dimes.

selling 20-25 dollar grams is different .

[feith]

I think it'd fucking great if it was legalized, and there was a high tax on it. It would do nothing to help regular smokers with good connections. Dealers would be forced to lower their prices, and the only people that'd buy weed in stores would be older folks with no connections and irregular smokers that don't have a dealer on speed dial.

Win win for stoners across America.


a very good point.

[Claydon]

Shit, even I spent a night in a local holding cell, granted it was for an unpaid ticket. move to california, the most you get is a $100 fine and a slap on the wrist.

man up nancy!

[Le Goat]

That's the same as decriminalized. In states with such laws, its still illegal to deal.

In Denver I think you can have up to an ounce on your person legally.

Are you retarded? It's not the same as decriminalized. It would still be Illegal but a fucking joint (like the old days) won't get you thrown in County. New talk around town is anything under a QP would be a Class C with the max fine allowed.

[Feng]

But really the question here is on the punishments related to it... They are immensely out of proportion and way too harsh in this country.

[feith]

Are you retarded? It's not the same as decriminalized. It would still be Illegal but a fucking joint (like the old days) won't get you thrown in County. New talk around town is anything under a QP would be a Class C with the max fine allowed.


In PA i'm pretty sure if you have anything more that 30g's ( a little over an ounce) and have no criminal record its not a felony.

[bpb]

I don't think we're getting the full story here.

[Claydon]

But really the question here is on the punishments related to it... They are immensely out of proportion and way too harsh in this country.

Try singapore, or indonesia.

[Le Goat]

In PA i'm pretty sure if you have anything more that 30g's ( a little over an ounce) and have no criminal record its not a felony.

Where in anything I said did I mention a Felony?

[Poop Sailboat]

In PA i'm pretty sure if you have anything more that 30g's ( a little over an ounce) and have no criminal record its not a felony.
you can have less than 100 grams here and only get a 100 dollar fine.

[Feng]

Try singapore, or indonesia.

We're talking about the USA...

[NOTKyle]

So you're saying you want it to be legal for possession, but not to deal?

[Claydon]

We're talking about the USA...

Ok, in the US, specifically california it is a $100 fine for anything under 27.5 grams. But, more or less most cops are just gonna toss it into the gutter and tell you to fuck off unless you are dumb enough to drive under the influence of it or while smoking the stuff.

[Soup Nazi]

That's the same as decriminalized. In states with such laws, its still illegal to deal.

In Denver I think you can have up to an ounce on your person legally.

The city of Denver passed that law, but unfortunately it is pretty irrelevant. State law still overrides the city law, and most Denver city police just file marijuana charges under state law, instead of city law now.

[NOTKyle]

The city of Denver passed that law, but unfortunately it is pretty irrelevant. State law still overrides the city law, and most Denver city police just file marijuana charges under state law, instead of city law now.

Just like that it's legal to sell medicinal pot under California state law, but illegal under federal law. So the DEA can hassle a dispensary anytime they want.

[Le Goat]

So you're saying you want it to be legal for possession, but not to deal?

I'm saying there are upstanding citizens with ZERO violent/family crime convictions out there that smoke weed out of habit or to escape. They are taking up space (and tax dollars) in our County jails. Lockup those who deserve to be there.

[Claydon]

Just like that it's legal to sell medicinal pot under California state law, but illegal under federal law. So the DEA can hassle a dispensary anytime they want.

Given the nebulous nature of the pot pharmacies in los angeles, many criminal elements have set up shops and made a shit load of money. DEA has been busting these places right and left, even going after property owners who lease space to such operations. The fucked up part is the real pharmacies that do follow the law, give it away free to cancer and aids patients etc have been nailed as well.

[feith]

Where in anything I said did I mention a Felony?


felonies are the only thing that actually matter.

everything else can be considered a 'slap on the wrist.'

[Claydon]

felonies are the only thing that actually matter.

everything else can be considered a 'slap on the wrist.'

even if it was say a class c misdemeanor those can be eventually expunged.

[Le Goat]

felonies are the only thing that actually matter.

everything else can be considered a 'slap on the wrist.'
Anything Class B and Above is NOT just a slap on the wrist. I assure you of that.


even if it was say a class c misdemeanor those can be eventually expunged.

Not true.

[NOTKyle]

I'm saying there are upstanding citizens with ZERO violent/family crime convictions out there that smoke weed out of habit or to escape. They are taking up space (and tax dollars) in our County jails. Lockup those who deserve to be there.

How is this any different than decriminalization? Legal to smoke and own a personal amount, illegal with intent to sell.

[Le Goat]

How is this any different than decriminalization? Legal to smoke and own a personal amount, illegal with intent to sell.

Jesus Christ man, what are you NOT getting about raising the Class C possession (which = 0 jail time) to keep the casual users out of jail?

[Feng]

Ok, in the US, specifically california it is a $100 fine for anything under 27.5 grams. But, more or less most cops are just gonna toss it into the gutter and tell you to fuck off unless you are dumb enough to drive under the influence of it or while smoking the stuff.

Great. And what if you have more than 27.5 grams? What if you are growing some in your garden? What if you are possessing some within a certain range of a school? What if you are driving around with some (to take to the ball game)? What if you are dealing (I mean sharing) with your friends? What if you want to bring some on an airplane trip?

Personally I don't touch the stuff, or alcohol or tobacco.. My vice is Ping pong! But drug punishments in this country are harsh for such a so-called western civilized society.

[Crack]

Recently I was arrested for possession of marijuana, a small amount at that.

And was in prison 5 hours later laying on a plastic bed in an orange jump suit asking myself why the fuck I ever considered voting McCain.

Now obviously, I think that the current legality of it is bullshit, as no one should be thrown in jail for a joint.

Thoughts? Opinions?

Move to medical marijuana state, if some hick-cop tried to pull a fast one on me, he'd have the full fury of the California Supreme Coiurt on his ass for violating his duty for upholding California Law. What's more, is that case law is now established for every patient making necessary legal proceedings against vagrant officers a breeze. We have total legal superiority over all state and local entities, and can attack them all civilly and individually.

[Poop Sailboat]

I bet you would, Crack. I bet you would.

[Claydon]

Move to medical marijuana state, if some hick-cop tried to pull a fast one on me, he'd have the full fury of the California Supreme Coiurt on his ass for violating his duty for upholding California Law. What's more, is that case law is now established for every patient making necessary legal proceedings against vagrant officers a breeze. We have total legal superiority over all state and local entities, and can attack them all civilly and individually.

you smoke entirely too much weed.

make all the fancy declarations that you want, but if the feds come knocking the CSC doesn't mean a fucking thing.

[Kerjack]

Crack cracks me up.

[Crack]

Personally I don't touch the stuff, or alcohol or tobacco.. My vice is Ping pong! But drug punishments in this country are harsh for such a so-called western civilized society.

You should, the health benefits alone are astounding. Egads man, analogues of all the various substances found in cannabis are produced within our own bodies, all with specific regulatory functions. It promotes and sustains homeostasis throughout the body and works to prevent auto-immune disorders. It is not a foreign substance to our body, it is utterly benign.


Unlike alcohol for example, which is a neurotoxin that incinerates every living cell it comes into contact with! Our body has no use, it just burn anything it can get it's hands on...

[Kerjack]

I hear the death penalty isn't that good for youe health. Also lung cancer although this is only going to be a problem for crack considering how much he must smoke.

[Limp]

Everyone together now....

CRACK SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GET THE FUCK OUT!

[Crack]

you smoke entirely too much weed.

make all the fancy declarations that you want, but if the feds come knocking the CSC doesn't mean a fucking thing.


I said state and local, and the feds only do smash and grabs these days. People rarely get charged.

[Dr. Doctor]

You were not in prison you fucking retard. You were in a local hold

First off, thank you for being an expert on my life. Define prison and define jail and you'll see they're more or less interchangeable unless your dealing with some cunt who will go out of his way to correct you even though everyone knows what you're talking about. And yes I was in a holding cell for an hour or two, but then deloused and taken into the actual jail/prison part of the building.

Also, yes I realize i should move to a place where it is decriminalized. Luckly, I already live there. It was due to the fact I was traveling across Ohio to New York and in between was Pennsylvania.

Finally, yes it should be organized like alcohol and tobacco.

And prices wouldn't sky rocket because they couldn't force you to not keep buying it from your dude, like they can't stop you from brewing your own beer or wine.

[Crack]

I hear the death penalty isn't that good for youe health. Also lung cancer (although this is only going to be a problem for crack).

THC actually fights to prevent lung cancer, but I consume cannabis through health-conscious means which only reap the benefits while eliminating any possible negative short or long-term side-effects. I'm talking of course, about Aromatherapeutic Vaporization. Google it.

[Feng]

You should, the health benefits alone are astounding. Egads man, analogues of all the various substances found in cannabis are produced within our own bodies, all with specific regulatory functions. It promotes and sustains homeostasis throughout the body and works to prevent auto-immune disorders. It is not a foreign substance to our body, it is utterly benign.


Unlike alcohol for example, which is a neurotoxin that incinerates every living cell it comes into contact with! Our body has no use, it just burn anything it can get it's hands on...

Except for the fact that inhaling smoke of any kind is bad for your lungs... I've smoked plenty of weed in the past... It's the smoke inhalation that keeps away from it... Have you seen the tar and brown shit that builds up on the tip of your roach? that coats your bronchioles dude! Oh and then there's the memory loss issue.

[Limp]

More like Dr. Dumbass.

[The Dude]

Except for the fact that inhaling smoke of any kind is bad for your lungs... I've smoked plenty of weed in the past... It's the smoke inhalation that keeps away from it... Have you seen the tar and brown shit that builds up on the tip of your roach? that coats your bronchioles dude!

my volcano says fuck your smoke, tar, and brown shit.

[Feng]

my volcano says fuck your smoke, tar, and brown shit.

Hey last I checked, volcanoes are legal!

[Crack]

Everyone make your own homemade Aromatherapeutic Vaporizer which eliminates all negative aspects of cannabis!

oEiJaHlUpyE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEiJaHlUpyE)

[Le Goat]

First off, thank you for being an expert on my life. Define prison and define jail and you'll see they're more or less interchangeable unless your dealing with some cunt who will go out of his way to correct you even though everyone knows what you're talking about. And yes I was in a holding cell for an hour or two, but then deloused and taken into the actual jail/prison part of the building.


There's a huge difference and the fact you were traumatized by the event means A. YOu're a pussy and B. the system, hopefully, worked for you.

Don't do illegal shit and you won't get thrown in jail.

[Le Goat]

http://forum.gorillamask.net/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gif Legalize it? (http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?p=9272#post9272) 08-13-2008 03:55 PM Dr. Doctor (http://forum.gorillamask.net/member.php?u=90) Wrong.

i fucking lol'd

[Kerjack]

THC actually fights to prevent lung cancer, but I consume cannabis through health-conscious mean which only reap the benefits while eliminating any possible negative short or long-term side-effects. I'm talking of course, about Aromatherapeutic Vaporization. Google it.

I know what it is dumbass. But I somehow doubt that is the only way you smoke it. Besides I don't really care if people smoke or not, its just funny how you like to approach it. That fact is you started smoking long before you came up with your weak 'cover story' as to why you choose to. Just say you smoke because you like to get high. Quite pretending its for medical purposes.

[Feng]

Everyone make your own homemade Aromatherapeutic Vaporizer which eliminates all negative aspects of cannabis!

oEiJaHlUpyE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEiJaHlUpyE)

What about the negative effects of smoking the inside of a light bulb?

[Kerjack]

Everyone make your own homemade Aromatherapeutic Vaporizer which eliminates all negative aspects of cannabis!

oEiJaHlUpyE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEiJaHlUpyE)


Wrong, it don't completely eliminate it, but it does drastically reduce it.

[Dr. Doctor]

There's a huge difference and the fact you were traumatized by the event means A. YOu're a pussy and B. the system, hopefully, worked for you.

Don't do illegal shit and you won't get thrown in jail.

You can clearly see I was traumatized by the way I stated that. Obviously.

And thinking like that and we'd still be in prohibition.

[Le Goat]

You can clearly see I was traumatized by the way I stated that. Obviously.

And thinking like that and we'd still be in prohibition.

Way to make ZERO sense fucktard

[Crack]

I know what it is dumbass. But I somehow doubt that is the only way you smoke it. Besides I don't really care if people smoke or not, its just funny how you like to approach it. That fact is you started smoking long before you came up with your weak 'cover story' as to why you choose to. Just say you smoke because you like to get high. Quite pretending its for medical purposes.


I did research all the potential health benefits before my first indulgence, yes I was "smoked out" my first time but did not truly enjoy it until I delved into vaporization. The entire aspect of smoking deterred me from consuming it in the first place, and this discovery is still confounding because I breath better than I ever have in my entire life through sustained use of vaporization. Vaporization will treat damages done through smoking as the gentle cannabinoids will aid in the proliferation/regeneration of new cells throughout the body,

[Crack]

Wrong, it don't completely eliminate it, but it does drastically reduce it.


UCLA recently did a toxin-screen using a volcano and showed no more elevated toxin levels than an outdoor air sample...And about 5x the delivery power of a normal joint.

[Dr. Doctor]

Way to make ZERO sense fucktard

You know, prohibition, that thing where they made alcohol illegal for several years. You might have forgotten about it while off fucking yourself.

Anyway I'll refresh you: Between 1920 and 1933 alcohol was made illegal in the United States. Now, similarly to marijuana, people didn't very much like that, since everyone loves getting drunk. And so, people bucked the system, brewing their own and selling it. Many houses exploded due to poor methods and many people were arrested. But the American people persevered and eventually the government realized that they could not stop people from drinking, and it was once again legalized.

Now had people of just not done it because, "If it's illegal than don't do it" we'd be without alcohol today.

And if you cannot see the similarities between that and the current marijuana situation, then you are truly the fucktard. Fucktard.

[Jatoza]

Oh and then there's the memory loss issue.


As long as you're not high while you're taking them, most memory tests find no significant differences between users' and non-users' ability, though there is a difference in the mechanics. The difference doesn't seem to affect ability, but is more like your brain's attempt to counter-balance your altered brain chemistry (from the weed, duh). Essentially the nerve signals get routed through different channels from the ones normally used, but they get there just as quickly. Anywho, all the mechanical differences seem to go away after periods of abstinence from the drug, so there really doesn't seem to be much, if any, permanent damage to users' brains.
Lungs, on the other hand, get damaged from weed smoke, just like everyone's been saying here. Were pot legalized, it would be easier for people to make extracts and tinctures that would completely avoid the carcinogens produced when the pot gets burnt.

All in all, I think the benefits of legalization would pretty seriously outweigh the costs, especially in terms of tax revenue and lower costs of operation for law enforcement.

Also, to whoever mentioned homebrewing beer: most of the time you aren't allowed to brew more than a certain ammount per month, and you have to have a special license to sell it too, so there are some restrictions on homebrewing/distillation/winemaking.

[Kerjack]

UCLA recently did a toxin-screen using a volcano and showed no more elevated toxin levels than an outdoor air sample...And about 5x the delivery power of a normal joint.

Looks like we have conflicting studies. Either that or that or they ran their test in China :)

Either way I can't get behind people like you. I've discussed this before with you on the other forum, you found your cure before you found your disease and like to pass it off as the other way around. You smoke for the high first and foremost. And that is fine if you admit it. But you don't so you just come off as a douche.

[Jatoza]

UCLA recently did a toxin-screen using a volcano and showed no more elevated toxin levels than an outdoor air sample...And about 5x the delivery power of a normal joint.


Doesn't LA have some pretty polluted air though?

[Le Goat]

You know, prohibition, that thing where they made alcohol illegal for several years. You might have forgotten about it while off fucking yourself.

Anyway I'll refresh you: Between 1920 and 1933 alcohol was made illegal in the United States. Now, similarly to marijuana, people didn't very much like that, since everyone loves getting drunk. And so, people bucked the system, brewing their own and selling it. Many houses exploded due to poor methods and many people were arrested. But the American people persevered and eventually the government realized that they could not stop people from drinking, and it was once again legalized.

Now had people of just not done it because, "If it's illegal than don't do it" we'd be without alcohol today.

And if you cannot see the similarities between that and the current marijuana situation, then you are truly the fucktard. Fucktard.

That is easily the most retarded comparison I have ever come across.

Your completely fucking idiotic ass did something Illegal. You got caught doing it. You got punished for doing it and now you're crying because the people doing their fucking job, did their job?

Hey, slickshit, if you don't want to go to jail (which, as you even admitted, you wouldn't in most states execpt you travled to a state that did) don't have that shit on you. Buy it there, smoke it there, kill yourself

[Crack]

^to Ker

This isn't about me at all, it's about everyone DOUCHEBAG.

Regardless at how/when/where/why I arrived, everyone else should be toking up these days in light of the aforementioned health benefits alone.

Again, if you MUST indulge in a recreational substance...why not indulge in the one that's actually good for you?

[Dr. Doctor]

Your completely fucking idiotic ass did something Illegal. You got caught doing it. You got punished for doing it and now you're crying because the people doing their fucking job, did their job?



I never said it wasn't illegal. I never said what I did was right. And I don't believe offering my opinions on a highly debated matter on a forum designed for such debates can be considered crying. Especially over the fact that I agree that they were doing their jobs.

Simply, I disagree with the fact that it is in their job description to do.

[misterfatt]

if you retards stopped making threads like this, crack would stop posting.

[Le Goat]

I never said it wasn't illegal. I never said what I did was right. And I don't believe offering my opinions on a highly debated matter on a forum designed for such debates can be considered crying. Especially over the fact that I agree that they were doing their jobs.

Simply, I disagree with the fact that it is in their job description to do.

The second you said 'prison' and started complaining you were bitching and moaning...


long story short: Shut the Fuck up and if you want a clean record, move live a clean life or move.

[NOTKyle]

You're one supposedly law abiding citizen Goat. You're saying you won't smoke unless the laws are changed? Or are you saying if you got caught you'd just accept it, and not be at all upset?

[Le Goat]

You're one supposedly law abiding citizen Goat. You're saying you won't smoke unless the laws are changed? Or are you saying if you got caught you'd just accept it, and not be at all upset?

I accept nearly every bad thing I have ever done (90% if i had to guess). It's something I am very proud to say is true. So if I was into smoking weed and got busted I would take whatever punishment I was given.


Also, I've never done a single drug. I have been around plenty of weed, all my buddies were huge pot heads, but I never touched the shit. Mainly 'cause I already have bad lungs. I'm not against people smoking weed. I'm against the violent crime it indirectly causes (dealers fighting other deals, bringing down neighborhoods)

[Kerjack]

^to Ker

This isn't about me at all, it's about everyone DOUCHEBAG.

Regardless at how/when/where/why I arrived, everyone else should be toking up these days in light of the aforementioned health benefits alone.

Again, if you MUST indulge in a recreational substance...why not indulge in the one that's actually good for you?


Because its illegal maybe? Sure if that changes I might suggest people try it, but till then I need to weight the health benefit against the penalty of breaking the law. As of right now I don't think I could tell a mother the speculative health benefits are worth the risk losing her child, nor a man losing his job with medical benefits.

[Crack]

Not so much in California, anti-discrimiination legislation protecting employment for medical marijuana patients is in it's final stages. Likewise, a marinol perscription beats all state and federal drug tests. If you're elgible for a doctor's recommendation, then take it. It's the doctor's putting their asses on the line, never an individual patient...And to get a doctor's ass, the Feds have to go black ops because of medical privacy so it's just not feasible.

[Bill Paxton]

I'm against the violent crime it indirectly causes (dealers fighting other deals, bringing down neighborhoods)

You realize that shit is a direct cause of making marajuana illegal right? You don't see anyone shooting each other over who gets to bootleg booze to the masses anymore, now do you?

If marajuana were legalized we could put our drug enforcement efforts into highly addictive drugs that actually kill people (like crystal meth) and stop wasting our time busting teenagers and college kids that want to party every once in a while.

[NOTKyle]

You realize that shit is a direct cause of making marajuana illegal right? You don't see anyone shooting each other over who gets to bootleg booze to the masses anymore, now do you?

If marajuana were legalized we could put our drug enforcement efforts into highly addictive drugs that actually kill people (like crystal meth) and stop wasting our time busting teenagers and college kids that want to party every once in a while.

That wouldn't necessarily stop the dealer on dealer crime that Goat talked about. Granted, the police would be able to focus more of their efforts if they weren't wasting their time writing tickets to kids carrying an 1/8 around in their backpack, but it wouldn't stop high profile dealers from doing what they do.

[Bill Paxton]

That wouldn't necessarily stop the dealer on dealer crime that Goat talked about. Granted, the police would be able to focus more of their efforts if they weren't wasting their time writing tickets to kids carrying an 1/8 around in their backpack, but it wouldn't stop high profile dealers from doing what they do.

Right but that dealer on dealer crime would no longer be related marajuana. No one is going to buy from a sketchy drug dealer once you can buy the shit at every corner store.

[Le Goat]

You realize that shit is a direct cause of making marajuana illegal right? You don't see anyone shooting each other over who gets to bootleg booze to the masses anymore, now do you?

If marajuana were legalized we could put our drug enforcement efforts into highly addictive drugs that actually kill people (like crystal meth) and stop wasting our time busting teenagers and college kids that want to party every once in a while.

You're talking about a part of society that will someone over an iPod or whatever else it wants. It would still be sold illegally 'cause if shit was to be legalized it would be a high, premium price and dealers would still sell that shit at a discount to get money. Then you force them to go make crack to supplement their loss of wages and now you've done 'forced' a group of other wise semi-law abiding group into much, much worse shit.


In short: We are all going to die soon and AIDS is the only cure for us all

EVERYONE FUCK MONGO FOR AIDZ1

[NOTKyle]

Right but that dealer on dealer crime would no longer be related marajuana. No one is going to buy from a sketchy drug dealer once you can buy the shit at every corner store.

Yes, they will be. I'm not going to pay a tax unless the shit is bomb. I have too many good connections with private dealers.

[Bill Paxton]

Its already been said but the reason marajuana costs what it does is because of the risk involved in dealing it.

If it were legalized there would be no elaborate schemes to grow it and transport it. Sure the kid down the street growing marajuana in his closet may still do it, but you would see much less "dealers" over time. Just like no one buys alcohol from a dealer anymore.

[Crack]

Everyone watch out, they git j00 in your casa now.


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[Bill Paxton]

You're talking about a part of society that will someone over an iPod or whatever else it wants.I don't know what you're saying right here.

It would still be sold illegally 'cause if shit was to be legalized it would be a high, premium price and dealers would still sell that shit at a discount to get money. Thats a pretty big assumption. I think that it would eventually be like cigarettes, cigars, or alcohol where you have a variety of qualities available. Theres going to be a market for high quality expensive shit, and there is going to be a market for schwag, and you better believe whoever is selling this stuff is going produce a product for both and everything in between.


Then you force them to go make crack to supplement their loss of wages and now you've done 'forced' a group of other wise semi-law abiding group into much, much worse shit. Well your average joe six pack selling marajuana from a plant he grows is in basement probably isn't going to jump to selling crack. Yes, some folk will, but then we punish people for selling crack like we should punish people for selling crack. If a crack dealer got a 10 year sentence I wouldn't bat an eye, but seeing someone go to jail for selling marajuana is just stupid.

[NOTKyle]

If it were legalized, I'm sure that growing it and selling it privately would still be illegal. If the government can make money off of it, I'm sure that they will do it to the best of their abilities.

[Bill Paxton]

If it were legalized, I'm sure that growing it and selling it privately would still be illegal. If the government can make money off of it, I'm sure that they will do it to the best of their abilities.

Probably, so if marajuana is legalized and you're still stupid enough to try to sell it and you get caught then tough titties.

[NOTKyle]

So:

What does everyone think the odds are that weed is legalized in 10 years?

[Kerjack]

Across the nation? 0%

[NOTKyle]

Obama likes to fly high.

100% CHANCE

[Dr. Doctor]

If it were legalized, I'm sure that growing it and selling it privately would still be illegal. If the government can make money off of it, I'm sure that they will do it to the best of their abilities.

Not necessarily. Although that would be likely.
However, you can make your own booze if you so chose and if they were to treat it like alcohol then they'd have no problem with you making your own I would assume.

And also, similarly to booze, you wouldn't want to buy it from your regular guy who grows it in his closet, you'd most likely want to get it from the large corporation.

Think the Coors of weed.

[NOTKyle]

Not necessarily. Although that would be likely.
However, you can make your own booze if you so chose and if they were to treat it like alcohol then they'd have no problem with you making your own I would assume.

And also, similarly to booze, you wouldn't want to buy it from your regular guy who grows it in his closet, you'd most likely want to get it from the large corporation.

Think the Coors of weed.

Not quite the same though. I'm sure it'd start out only being sold in liquor stores, it wouldn't be in every grocery store and gas station like beer.

[Dr. Doctor]

Not quite the same though. I'm sure it'd start out only being sold in liquor stores, it wouldn't be in every grocery store and gas station like beer.

I'd think of it more as buying good cigar, which I also wouldn't buy at a gas station.

[White Rhino]

I think the possession of pot should be decriminalized but I think that selling of large amounts say 50lbs + should still be punishable by law. And the only reason for that is that the gov can't securely tax a business of that nature. And I don't think it is right for someone to make millions off a business and not pay their fair share in taxes. But we as a country would save billions of dollars a year by not punishing these small time offenders.

[Night Hawk]

i agree with this.

[White Rhino]

And also, similarly to booze, you wouldn't want to buy it from your regular guy who grows it in his closet, you'd most likely want to get it from the large corporation. Actually people who grow themselves in small quantities produce a way higher quality of weed than a corporation that would be cutting corners so their profit margin would be higher.

edit: considering the people where growing for themselves and not just for the money, because that throws a huge wrench into my statement.

[Night Hawk]

maybe maybe not.. because it needs to be higher quality for anyone to buy it from the small dealers... Bigger dealers can bring it cheaper cause they have so much.

[satandole666]

Treat it just like alcohol. Pure and simple.

This has to be best method.

I can't imagine how good of weed Phillip-Morris could make. Most of the quality of weed comes from good care. Even the best strain would be shit if it isn't cared for properly. Prices could only go down too along less money for crime rings or foreign suppliers.

The drug war has done nothing but fill up our prisons anyway...I can't wait until people come to their senses about this shit.

[NOTKyle]

Factory growing wouldn't necessarily making it poor quality guys. 10000 plants in one building wouldn't necessarily make them awful. If anything it'd improve, because they could afford the resources to grow great weed.

[satandole666]

Factory growing wouldn't necessarily making it poor quality guys. 10000 plants in one building wouldn't necessarily make them awful. If anything it'd improve, because they could afford the resources to grow great weed.

Maybe I didn't make it completely clear...but I'd expect Phillip-Morris to make weed better than anything I've ever smoked. There is no reason that they couldn't make something similar to G13 in quality and sell it for $20 a pack or something along those lines.

[Bill Paxton]

Actually people who grow themselves in small quantities produce a way higher quality of weed than a corporation that would be cutting corners so their profit margin would be higher.

edit: considering the people where growing for themselves and not just for the money, because that throws a huge wrench into my statement.

Do you not understand how markets work? By your logic all alcohol would be swill. Every product on the market would be cheap shit.

Yes there will be companies making bottom of the barrel crap there will also be the equivalent of "micro brews" that sell their shit for a higher price but have a better quality.

[Bill Paxton]

Factory growing wouldn't necessarily making it poor quality guys. 10000 plants in one building wouldn't necessarily make them awful. If anything it'd improve, because they could afford the resources to grow great weed.

Not only that, I mostly made my point in my above post, but to elaborate on what you said, these people would know exactly what they were doing. They'll probably have a whole team of people sitting in a room thinking up how to make sweet delicious and potent weed to outsell the competition.

[Jatoza]

Not so much in California, anti-discrimiination legislation protecting employment for medical marijuana patients is in it's final stages. Likewise, a marinol perscription beats all state and federal drug tests. If you're elgible for a doctor's recommendation, then take it. It's the doctor's putting their asses on the line, never an individual patient...And to get a doctor's ass, the Feds have to go black ops because of medical privacy so it's just not feasible.

Again, the US Supreme Court has recently ruled against legislation like that. It doesn't matter what new legislation comes up, because the Supreme Court already said it doesn't. Because it's against federal law, testing positive for pot is always grounds to fire someone, regardless of whether or not it's medicinal. Until the federal laws change (here's hoping), no state legislation can touch it.

[NOTKyle]

Not only that, I mostly made my point in my above post, but to elaborate on what you said, these people would know exactly what they were doing. They'll probably have a whole team of people sitting in a room thinking up how to make sweet delicious and potent weed to outsell the competition.

Exactly. The blending that private growers do now, and experimental grow techniques could be done by large corporations better, faster, stronger.

It would bring about a new age man.

[Bill Paxton]

A relative of a friend of mine was given THC pills while they were on chemo. THey didn't want to take the pills so they gave them to my friend. He gave me some and damn it if it wasn't the highest i've ever been.

I remember having dinner later in the day with my brother in law and sister and I couldn't even put a logical sentence together.

I wish I had cancer.

[NOTKyle]

:cool:I wish I had cancer.


If I had a nickle for everytime I've heard that...

[Bill Paxton]

Seinfeld: Whats the deal with cancer?

Guy in the back of the room: Hey! I have cancer!

<boos>

Seinfeld: Tough crowd.

[cAsE sEnSiTiVe]

Sounds to me like a lot of people on this board smoke pot.

[Poop Sailboat]

sounds like you need to post an intro.

[NOTKyle]

I can't help but post intros when I'm high.

[doors43]

I'm not reading five pages. Did anyone post this? This was recently brought up by some legislators. I'm all in favor of decriminalization. Totally legal without any restriction? That's retarded.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/30/frank.marijuana/

[cAsE sEnSiTiVe]

sounds like you need to post an intro.

Try again....been here since '05, simply a name change...courtesy of the board refresh.

[Bill Paxton]

I'm not reading five pages. Did anyone post this? This was recently brought up by some legislators. I'm all in favor of decriminalization. Totally legal without any restriction? That's retarded.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/30/frank.marijuana/


Well yes, no regulation whatsoever would be retarded. In the sense that we probably shouldn't allow 13 year olds to buy joints. But how is making marajuana like alcohol retarded?

[BIG PIZZLE]

Drugs are bad.

[HAWK]

If cigs and alcohol are legal then weed should be to.

[ksul]

I always fired up about this topic. People need to mind their own fucking business.

[Night Hawk]

I for one, kind of believe smoking this shit it half way fun because its something you aren't supposed to do. If it were legal and just any old schmo could do it, it takes away from its power.

It takes some nuts to purchase and consume something completely legal. Its just like once you turn 21, drinking and getting drunk is just eh.. It was much more fun when you were 18 and knew it was even more risky for you to do it.

[Night Hawk]

If cigs and alcohol are legal then weed should be to.


Alcohol, you have a good point.

Cigs? You dont have a point there... Cigs are way less harmful to your lungs than weed about 1/10 as harmful to be a little more exact, and they don't fuck with your judgement or your state of mind at all in the same way.

[kpickle]

Cant we just agree that smoking pot is fun!

YAY for pot!!!!!

[Ghostrider]

It's not a joint it's the breaking of the law of the land. I have never heard of a High person beating his wife or getting belligerent in public like alcohol, but someone in our society thinks its bad UMMMKAY, Therefore we have to be the majority voters, and I am sorry but most pot heads are just not that motivated.

[Jatoza]

Cigs are way less harmful to your lungs than weed about 1/10 as harmful to be a little more exact...

I want to read whatever study you've read that told you that, because just about everything I've ever seen has told me exactly the opposite.

It's not a joint it's the breaking of the law of the land. I have never heard of a High person beating his wife or getting belligerent in public like alcohol, but someone in our society thinks its bad UMMMKAY, Therefore we have to be the majority voters, and I am sorry but most pot heads are just not that motivated.

You've got a point there. Most of the people who think weed should be legal are the potheads. In order for the legalization movement to gain more validity, they'd need to find some more reputable spokespeople. A lot of the people who do speak up about it are ignored simply because they look like every fucking hippy you've ever seen, and lose all credibility. America doesn't like a loser, so to the users out there: get your shit together and legal/decriminalized pot could be a distinct possibility. Otherwise, probably not.

[Morfin]

I want to read whatever study you've read that told you that, because just about everything I've ever seen has told me exactly the opposite.

It is not a study, it is fact and common sense. Cigarettes are usually filtered, which decreases a lot of the tar that gets into your lungs. Joints are not filtered, therefore it all gets into your lungs.

[Mulder]

How about going on plane headed to KSA and you have to fill out a paper with your name and address and bla bla bla and on the top of page you have written in read: Death to Drug Traffickers? hehe Should it be legal?

[HAWK]

Question: Does a blunt have the tar content of a Cig?

[feith]

Question: Does a blunt have the tar content of a Cig?


yes, smoking a blunt is the least healthiest way to smoke.

also

honestly, there are some people out there who just shouldn't be smoking
some people are just noodles and get out of control. making it socially acceptable is one thing, but leagalizing is bad news.

[feith]

but i guess the same could be said for alcohol.....

[NOTKyle]

Question: Does a blunt have the tar content of a Cig?

2 joints do the same damage to your lungs as a pack of cigarettes. This take into account the lack of filter, and the extended time weed is held in the lungs.

Blunt I'm sure are twice as bad, due to the tobacco wrap.

[Morfin]

It's not our (Society's) role to tell any person what they should or should not do in regard to these activities. Alcohol is the same; gambling is even worse.

I wish we could limit child-bearing to only those who are not "noodles."

[feith]

i wish i could castrate more that half of my city.

[feith]

and then smoke a blunt in celebration...


oh vaporizer....'safest' way to do it right?

[Dr. Doctor]

Yes, a vaporizer is the way to go I believe.
But is much more expensive then smoking a blunt of course.

Bongs also will filter the smoke and can be a lot cheaper than a vaporizer.

[Morfin]

i wish i could castrate more that half of my city.

That would be all the men. Hmm. [Morfin crosses his legs.]

[feith]

That would be all the men. Hmm. [Morfin crosses his legs.]


lol okay okay half of the male poplulation...
actually i wouldn't mine making some females unable to have children either...

bongs can be harsh... i'll have to post a picture of mine...

oswald<3

[Tar Heel]

Oh I see how it is. You can't find a camera to post your tits, but all of a sudden you can find one to take a picture of your bong?

What kind of back assward shit is that?

[Datači]

I know a guy that has his own plants and he's well... so paranoid. It's really unplesant to be around him when he's sober. He grows pretty good shit tho.

[Emjanss]

How much of which active ingredients are delivered into the blood stream when you smoke a "joint"?

You don't have a clue. You might be able to figure out an average amount, but that average has little if anything in common with any given "joint".

When you take 25 mg of pseudo-ephedrine hydrochloride there is a dosage.

The next time you have a head cold. Take a handfull of sudafed and crush them up very finely. Toss that into a container of koolaid mix and shake it up a bit.

Then grab a scoop of koolaid-mix and make yourself a glass.

Enjoy. You just took your sudafed with much more precision than the dosage of the medicine delivered by your "joint".

[Claydon]

Bottom line, if someone is dieing from aids, cancer, parkinsons or whatever, i don't give a damn what they do to feel better. If they want to do fat rails of coke and shoot some damn fine china..... let them.

[BooBooBear]

Pot should be totally legal!! :)

[Mr. Buzz_Kill]

I do not smoke weed. But I do think that it should be legal.

My mother recently went through a cancer ordeal and the doctor recommended, off the record of course, to smoke to help ease the pain. She's been a smoker for a very long time, and can testify to its medical benefits, as, i'm sure, many people can.

[Claydon]

Several years ago when I was a regular smoker I really messed up my back at work, I could not get off the couch for two weeks just awful pain. I was using 800mg ibuprofen several times a day....nothing, vicodin.... worthless. So because I was so pissed I rolled a joint and puffed away. I was truly amazed that within 15 minutes I was virtually pain free.

[The Dude]

How much of which active ingredients are delivered into the blood stream when you smoke a "joint"?

You don't have a clue. You might be able to figure out an average amount, but that average has little if anything in common with any given "joint".

When you take 25 mg of pseudo-ephedrine hydrochloride there is a dosage.

The next time you have a head cold. Take a handfull of sudafed and crush them up very finely. Toss that into a container of koolaid mix and shake it up a bit.

Then grab a scoop of koolaid-mix and make yourself a glass.

Enjoy. You just took your sudafed with much more precision than the dosage of the medicine delivered by your "joint".
It is not a study, it is fact and common sense. Cigarettes are usually filtered, which decreases a lot of the tar that gets into your lungs. Joints are not filtered, therefore it all gets into your lungs.


1. not everyone smokes joints exclusively
2. I've rolled filtered joints


so...would you care to recant or at least admit that you're talking about a small piece of a larger picture?

[Tar Heel]

How much of which active ingredients are delivered into the blood stream when you smoke a "joint"?

You don't have a clue. You might be able to figure out an average amount, but that average has little if anything in common with any given "joint".

When you take 25 mg of pseudo-ephedrine hydrochloride there is a dosage.

The next time you have a head cold. Take a handfull of sudafed and crush them up very finely. Toss that into a container of koolaid mix and shake it up a bit.

Then grab a scoop of koolaid-mix and make yourself a glass.

Enjoy. You just took your sudafed with much more precision than the dosage of the medicine delivered by your "joint".

The medicinal angle, for the most part, is merely a means to an end. I think that it raises the level of acceptance and will end up leading to decriminalization.

But, to entertain the medical use of it... It's not as powerful as other pill form drugs and there is no level in which you could overdose. Unlike other drugs, regulating the dosage is far less important with pot. Each person is different and each person will find a level of dosage that works for them. It doesn't have any negative reactions with almost any other drugs and if someone is dealing with agonizing pain and nausea every day of their life, I don't see how anyone could want to deny them the right to feel better. The fact is that we have legal drugs in this country that are far more armful and addictive than pot. Anyone who drinks alcohol and at the same time argues that pot should be illegal and criminal is a damned hypocrite.

[HAWK]

Who gives a shit what weed does to you?! That's not why it's illegal and everyone knows that. If people want to poison themselves they should be free to do so. Hell, if it was all really about the health effects then most of the shit on McDonald's menu would be illegal too.

[The Dude]

I for one, kind of believe smoking this shit it half way fun because its something you aren't supposed to do. If it were legal and just any old schmo could do it, it takes away from its power.

It takes some nuts to purchase and consume something completely legal. Its just like once you turn 21, drinking and getting drunk is just eh.. It was much more fun when you were 18 and knew it was even more risky for you to do it.

this is one of the more retarded posts that i've read in this thread...

people trying shit for the first time, yes, perhaps. i can certainly concede the point that it may be to rebel.

however, for any regular or semi-regular smoker, they smoke because they enjoy smoking/being high; just like a casual drinker and the drunk drink because they like what booze offers, not because its rebellious.

[Tar Heel]

I think a better question than "should it be legal?" would be "Why is it illegal?"

I really can't think of a rational argument against it that couldn't also be used against other legal vices like alcohol, cigarettes, or even fast food.

[The Dude]

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none of you have offered up anything that remotely resembles a legitimate point as to why it should be completely illegal

[Morfin]

1. not everyone smokes joints exclusively
2. I've rolled filtered joints


so...would you care to recant or at least admit that you're talking about a small piece of a larger picture?

What is your point? That some people smoke filtered joints? Okay, fine, some do. Those that don't are ingesting tar at a far higher rate than smoking a cigarette. And, those that smoke unfiltered cigarettes are taking in more tar than if smoking filtered cigarettes.

I don't know why you're so geared up about this -- I was merely stating a fact, one that you criticized as being too broad. Don't confuse me with those who think that smoking pot is bad so it should be illegal -- Check how I voted: To legalize it.

[Tar Heel]

Alcohol, you have a good point.

Cigs? You dont have a point there... Cigs are way less harmful to your lungs than weed about 1/10 as harmful to be a little more exact, and they don't fuck with your judgement or your state of mind at all in the same way.

No one smokes 20-40 joints a day. Some people smoke as many as 3 packs a day of cigarettes.

[Datači]

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none of you have offered up anything that remotely resembles a legitimate point as to why it should be completely illegal


Because it grows from the ground. Like potatoes. It involves no chemistry whatsoever.

And weed releases the same enzyme in the brain like chocolate. Only in a different part.

[Morfin]

I think a better question than "should it be legal?" would be "Why is it illegal?"

I really can't think of a rational argument against it that couldn't also be used against other legal vices like alcohol, cigarettes, or even fast food.

I agree totally. However, this is a complicated, long discussion, one involving prohibition and the legalization and subsequent criminalization of cocaine, along with political aspects of the alcohol and tobacco industries. Not worth going into here, in my mind.

[The Dude]

i think what tarheel meant was not why is it illegal, but why should it be illegal.

why it's illegal is very simple...it would've ruined established industry and the govt couldn't think of a good way to deal with it at the time.

that's certainly the bastardized reader's digest version, but in a nutshell, that's why it's illegal

[Tar Heel]

There are 1,000 reasons why it should be legal, yet the only reason I get for why it is illegal is the political culture that spawned from 1960's propaganda.

Why should it be illegal?

[Datači]

Pot helps you to understand things, and to feel good. THE GOVERNMENT DOESEN'T WANT THAT.

[wlack]

legalise it so it can be quality controlled and prevent overdoses... and governments can tax it

[Morfin]

The illegality of pot goes back much farther than the 60's. Check out Reefer Madness, which was from the 30's.

The problem with getting it legalized is that the politicians are still, for the most part, old men, part of the pre-60's generation. And the people who vote are older as well. As the people who grew up in the late-60s and later get older and gain more political control, slowly marijuana will become less illegal (i.e., decriminalized).

[The Batman]

We as people have very few consumer products that are taken in orally that are for relaxing. I am not sure if most people are aware of this, but if you think about it you can go to the store and buy about 100 things that give you more energy. To relax there is absolutely nothing except cigarettes for a lot of us, and so to relax some people smoke weed. (I am not counting food even though I know some people eat to relax) Compared to a lot of things its completely harmless. I am just glad that someone is being realistic about it all. (that senator from Mass.) Just stop promoting the bullshit reasons why its bad. Only recently to me have there been realistic commercials why pot is bad, like the one where the guy gets fat or the dog confronts the owner to ask why they don't play anymore.

[feith]

Oh I see how it is. You can't find a camera to post your tits, but all of a sudden you can find one to take a picture of your bong?

What kind of back assward shit is that?


lol i don't have tits.

[feith]

legalise it so it can be quality controlled and prevent overdoses... and governments can tax it

you can't overdose on THC.

[Gecko]

Drug laws.. yet another thing i dislike with Sweden. I think possession over like 15 grams of cannabis could land you in jail. A large part of Europe has by now come to their senses and at least decriminalized possession, but scandinavia, with the exception of Danmark will probably be the last countrys to do anything like that.

At least we dont have as long jail times as you do in USA ;)

[Jatoza]

Part of the reason it's illegal is also that it was seen as being a "Mexican" thing when it first came to the USA, and so, wanting to discourage Mexican immigration/needing a reason to remove Mexicans, the government banned it.
Also, yeah, it is theoretically possible to overdose on pure THC, but it would require something like 150lbs. of pure THC ingested within an hour, so it's practically impossible.

[bigbk915]

LEGALIZE IT

[White Rhino]

Do you not understand how markets work? By your logic all alcohol would be swill. Every product on the market would be cheap shit.

Yes there will be companies making bottom of the barrel crap there will also be the equivalent of "micro brews" that sell their shit for a higher price but have a better quality.


This is not true, following British Columbia's history of growing weed. Yes they do grow some of the best "commercial" weed that you will see, but smaller growers in the same area that grow for themselves and friends produce a product that is beyond what you see in your hightimes magazine or anywhere else. Yes brewers have better success in large companies, this does not make their product better. People that are able to have more time to spend with each individual plant the better quality of weed. Growing on a large scale via Philip Morris, would not produce the best you can get. I am not saying it would be MEX but it would be like BC Bud. And if you are a true weed lover you would know the difference. BC bud is full of left over nutriants because they don't flush their plants for a long enough time. And the reason for that is they want to produce as much as they can in one crop so they don't care. And I truely believe large companies would follow the same business plan.

[scrum]

in Brazil you can't drive after drinking 2 beers, but if you're drunk and will get caught, the best thing you can do is smoke a joint, it's better to get caught doing drugs than DUI.

[BooBooBear]

Part of the reason it's illegal is also that it was seen as being a "Mexican" thing when it first came to the USA, and so, wanting to discourage Mexican immigration/needing a reason to remove Mexicans, the government banned it.

But, now everyone gets their lawn mowed so it should be cool. :D

[satandole666]

Question: Does a blunt have the tar content of a Cig?

Supposedly 1 joint has the same amount of tar as about 10 full flavor filtered cigarettes.

Other than the tar content, Weed is healthier hands down. All of the added chemicals along with the addictive properties of Nicotine make cigarettes deadlier than weed.

I think I remember reading somewhere that cigarette smoke has a higher rate of lung cancer than weed in lab rats but I'll need to see if I can dig that up again.

[Feng]

The Pot should be illegal or else it will make you go insane like the movie reefer madness says! Or it will turn you into a Mexican... Both are bad apparently.

[Neosmurf]

My friend got busted with a quarter and was left off with disorderly conduct. I have never heard of anyone going to the local jail for a joint.

[Jatoza]

In Ann Arbor, MI it's a $5 ticket for smoking a joint on the street, or so my buddy tells me.

[Mr. Bateman]

The fact that alcohol is legal and marijuana isnt is so far beyond retarded it is insane.


You can have a gun on you. In your car. But you can't have a little bud. What?!?!?

[The Batman]

The fact that alcohol is legal and marijuana isnt is so far beyond retarded it is insane.


You can have a gun on you. In your car. But you can't have a little bud. What?!?!?


Its because people in this country are retarded.

[bobdapunk]

I can't imagine is not being legalized to some extent in our lifetimes just looking at the numbers here. However, people's opinions change when they have kids.

[Mr. Bateman]

I have a firm belief that when people of our generation come into power it will be legal. or at least decriminalized everywhere. but maybe im just optimistic.

[cAsE sEnSiTiVe]

I have a firm belief that when people of our generation come into power it will be legal.

....and then the whole country will officially go to pot.

[The Batman]

....and then the whole country will officially go to pot.


Which is gonna be AWESOME!!!


http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff203/theadam0901/Stoned.jpg

[Mr. Bateman]

i can go to a movie theater to blow people away with a gun but i cant have a nugget?

[NOTKyle]

i can go to a movie theater to blow people away with a gun but i cant have a nugget?

What?

No.

You can't go anywhere with a gun.

Are you retarded?

[Mr. Bateman]

im just saying u can conceal it you know?? like say i were to snap i could walk into a theater with a gun. and blow away a sold out crowd. but god forbid i light up a joint in my own home?

[NOTKyle]

im just saying u can conceal it you know?? like say i were to snap i could walk into a theater with a gun. and blow away a sold out crowd. but god forbid i light up a joint in my own home?

You could keep a gun in your coat pocket with nobody ever knowing, just like you could smoke weed in your home with nobody ever knowing.

You're awful at coming up with analogies.

[Mr. Bateman]

hahaha ok touche.

[Jatoza]

I think what he's going for is that there are plenty of places where, with the right permits, you can walk around with a concealed firearm in public. Movie theaters as a general rule, do not allow this, but there are any number of public places where people who have the permits can go with their pistols. This seems more dangerous than allowing Joe Smith to light a spliff in his back yard.

[Night Hawk]

I think what he's going for is that there are plenty of places where, with the right permits, you can walk around with a concealed firearm in public. Movie theaters as a general rule, do not allow this, but there are any number of public places where people who have the permits can go with their pistols. This seems more dangerous than allowing Joe Smith to light a spliff in his back yard.

No, because those people have to get certified and take classes on safety. There is nothing you can do to make weed safer... its just gonna fuck up ur judgement period.

[Mr. Bateman]

why is it illegal? like what is the governments legitimate reasoning behind it?

[The Batman]

No, because those people have to get certified and take classes on safety. There is nothing you can do to make weed safer... its just gonna fuck up ur judgement period.

It doesn't impair your judgement, it impairs your reflexes. You are thinking about alcohol, something that should be illegal before weed is.

[NOTKyle]

why is it illegal? like what is the governments legitimate reasoning behind it?

http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html

It's still illegal because the government sees no reason to spend their time and energy. The original illegality of it placed such a negative stigma on a drug that really doesn't deserve it.

[Archetype]

It doesn't impair your judgement, it impairs your reflexes. You are thinking about alcohol, something that should be illegal before weed is.

O rly? So depression, paranoia, psychosis, and schizophrenia are all caused by bad reflexes?

[TheImpossibleMan]

No, because those people have to get certified and take classes on safety. There is nothing you can do to make weed safer... its just gonna fuck up ur judgement period.

O rly? So depression, paranoia, psychosis, and schizophrenia are all caused by bad reflexes?
You guys don't seriously think it's dangerous, do you? It isn't lethal, like cigarettes or alcohol (as far as I know it's impossible to 'overdose' on marijuana since its toxicity is so low), nor is it addictive like cigarettes or alcohol. I'm sure some fatalities have been related to marijuana consumption, much in the same way bicycles have been involved in some deaths, but arguing that it is a general menace to society or individuals who use it, to the point that it needs to be completely illegal, is ridiculous. It's easy to get pissed off by some marijuana advocates who seem to think weed makes sunshine and unicorns blast out of your ears, but when you look at the real arguments or the reality of the situation, making marijuana illegal is just an unjustified infringement on personal liberties.

[Mustard]

To those who voted no, are you now prepared to also fully support the idea of criminalizing alcohol, tobacco, and firearms? If so, then clearly the "land of the free" part of our national anthem means absolutely nothing to you.

All of the items listed above are more dangerous and deadly than marijuana is. I await your retard-fest of ignorant arguments...

[Archetype]

You guys don't seriously think it's dangerous, do you? It isn't lethal, like cigarettes or alcohol (as far as I know it's impossible to 'overdose' on marijuana since its toxicity is so low),

Actually cannabis has five times as much hydrogen cyanide and nitrogen oxides and twenty times as much ammonia as tobacco smoke. It's near-impossible to OD because the various effects inhibit the ability to consume such quantities.

nor is it addictive like cigarettes or alcohol.

Less addictive.

If so, then clearly the "land of the free" part of our national anthem means absolutely nothing to you.

Well it never did to begin with.

[Mustard]

you know what I mean...

[Jatoza]

why is it illegal? like what is the governments legitimate reasoning behind it?

There are literally dozens of posts in this threat talking about this.
Recap:
-Racism: the government wanted to discourage Mexican immigration
-Industry: hemp crops would have supplanted a lot of american agriculture, and they had no way to accommodate it
-Peer pressure: alcohol was being banned... why not weed?
-Lies: weed makes you go crazy, weed kills

There's probably more, but this is what I could remember off the top of my head. There are any number of reasons the government illegalized it, but none of them are worth a damn.

[kpickle]

There are literally dozens of posts in this threat talking about this.
Recap:
-Racism: the government wanted to discourage Mexican immigration
-Industry: hemp crops would have supplanted a lot of american agriculture, and they had no way to accommodate it
-Peer pressure: alcohol was being banned... why not weed?
-Lies: weed makes you go crazy, weed kills

There's probably more, but this is what I could remember off the top of my head. There are any number of reasons the government illegalized it, but none of them are worth a damn.


You forgot joints are bad for weed, but vaps are good.

[Archetype]

-Lies: weed makes you go crazy

Weed does make you go crazy if you smoke it enough.

[6655321]

i don't know about crazy, but definitely lazy.

[Infotainment]

It doesn't impair your judgement, it impairs your reflexes. You are thinking about alcohol, something that should be illegal before weed is.

Great, what we really need is more irresponsible people driving around with impaired reflexes. One of the only reasons I'm against it is I know their will be a OUI epidemic if it's legalized. We already have enough trouble with people driving drunk and if you allow them to smoke weed it's going to be a whole new story. Anyways, that's just my reasoning. If they stepped up charges on OUI's and people weren't allowed to smoke weed or be high in public (equivalent to public intoxication) I'd be perfectly fine with it. However, these full scale legalizations would just lead to the opposite of what I described. What age would you guys set for being able to buy weed? 18 like cigs or 21 like alcohol?

[Morfin]

I think both alcohol and marijuana should be legal at 18. You are deemed an adult, with adult discretion, at that age according to virtually all law. Therefore, that is when it should be legal. I will listen to the 21 argument due to concerns about high school kids, but I still believe 18 should be the age.

[feith]

Weed does make you go crazy if you smoke it enough.


it doesn't make you crazy...more like you overthink everything, and or you see things from a different perspective that otherwise would seem odd, and/or ridiculous.

[Nature's Folly]

Weed makes me sleepy, best sleep aid bar none.

[cAsE sEnSiTiVe]

Great, what we really need is more irresponsible people driving around with impaired reflexes. One of the only reasons I'm against it is I know their will be a OUI epidemic if it's legalized. We already have enough trouble with people driving drunk and if you allow them to smoke weed it's going to be a whole new story. Anyways, that's just my reasoning. If they stepped up charges on OUI's and people weren't allowed to smoke weed or be high in public (equivalent to public intoxication) I'd be perfectly fine with it. However, these full scale legalizations would just lead to the opposite of what I described. What age would you guys set for being able to buy weed? 18 like cigs or 21 like alcohol?

+1

[Will-Kill]

Another reason it won't be legalized....Tobacco would have competition; Tobacco has deep pockets and lots of friends.

[sdale4life]

there are far worse things than marijuana that are legal, i say legalize it

[Jatoza]

Another reason it won't be legalized....Tobacco would have competition; Tobacco has deep pockets and lots of friends.

I don't know about that. I know plenty of weed smokers who smoke tobacco. I don't think the addition of pot into the market is going to reduce the number of people who choose to smoke ciggarettes.

[feith]

if a poll was taken i bet more than half of smokers in their 20's would admit to starting smoking in teen/early 20's just by the plane fact that other people where doing it.


pot should not be legalized, but bring cigs up is just dumb.

[zillionaire]

I believe that pot is a gateway drug, simply because a kid will try it and nothing bad will happen. Then they'll think, "well, they lied to me about this. I guess I'll go ahead and try that crystal meth I've been hearing about."

[feith]

I believe that pot is a gateway drug, simply because a kid will try it and nothing bad will happen. Then they'll think, "well, they lied to me about this. I guess I'll go ahead and try that crystal meth I've been hearing about."


i half agree with that, cause yes i did 'start' my drug experiences with pot.. but i think it just depends on the person. i've done my fair share of controled substances but i would never just consider doing herion or meth just because i tried pot and it was cool. everyone has a difference personalities and that has alot to do with it. if you have an addictive personality you are more prone to not only try other drugs but continuously use them.

[satandole666]

Weed isn't THE gateway drug...legal drugs like cigarettes and alcohol are. I don't know anyway who skipped tobacco or alcohol and went straight to the illegals, it all starts there.

[Tar Heel]

Some people just have addictive personalities. They just try pot 1st because it is the easiest and cheapest to get.

Alcohol was the 1st drug I ever tried. I think there is much more of an argument to be made for alcohol being the gateway drug.

I've tried more drugs while drunk than I ever would have tried under any other circumstances.

EDIT: Dammit Satan!

[zillionaire]

I am lucky to not have an addictive personality at all. I was even able to quit cigarettes when I got tired of buying them all the time. Anyway, I was being half facetious with that statement. But I was sorta scared to try pot, then I did and it was fun. So I tried lsd, and it was fun. Then I tried mushrooms and they were fun. Then I tried coke, and it was fun too. And it was all downhill from there. The only thing I am terrified of is meth and crack. They don't sound fun at all.

[satandole666]

My bad, doesn't make you any less right though. I'm in the same case...I did coke and weed for the first time when I was drunk. Shit happens and someone always seems to have it.

[feith]

true, but some people don't even consider alcohol a drug.


like the people who just pot-smokers, but will go out and get completely hammered... underage. same thing.

[feith]

i hate cocaine, and will never do it again..

i was wasted when i tried it.

[satandole666]

true, but some people don't even consider alcohol a drug.


like the people who just pot-smokers, but will go out and get completely hammered... underage. same thing.

Who are these people who don't consider alcohol a drug? It fits every definition of drug that I have ever heard.

[Tar Heel]

The only thing I am terrified of is meth and crack. They don't sound fun at all.

All you have to do is look at the people using those drugs to figure that out. I have zero sympathy for the idiots that try/do heroin, meth, and crack. Dude, come the fuck on, just look at them.

[feith]

just watch Intervention on A&E.


so sad.

[Tar Heel]

Who are these people who don't consider alcohol a drug? It fits every definition of drug that I have ever heard.

True. If there is someone that doesn't consider alcohol a drug, then they don't understand the meaning of the word drug. And they would be wrong.

[Tar Heel]

just watch Intervention on A&E.


so sad.

Fuck no. That show is awful.

[feith]

Fuck no. That show is awful.


awful in a awesome way.


sometimes i feel bad, but usually it just keeps me in check.


and usually i laugh, cause i'm a terrible person.

[zillionaire]

All you have to do is look at the people using those drugs to figure that out. I have zero sympathy for the idiots that try/do heroin, meth, and crack. Dude, come the fuck on, just look at them.

I always had this weird romantic vision of heroin, and then I started seeing a recovering addict. When he would talk about heroin, it was like he was talking about the love of his life and she had completely broken his heart. I would actually get jealous. Even after his best friend died from an OD, he still loved that drug. And he wrote this amazing music when he was high on heroin. It's a scary drug and it scares the hell out of me. He's been clean for 6 years now, and he's the only one of his friends that made it out alive.

Now, he's trying to be a good dad and doesn't smoke pot anymore, but he drinks a little too much and takes anti-anxiety meds that turn him into a zombie. I like him soooo much better when he's smoking pot. I would rather see him be a nightly smoker than a nightly drinker. It sucks that the one thing that does him the most good he could get locked up for.

[HAWK]

I know a guy just like that.

I was a lucky one in my group too. I've never actually done heroin--though many of my friends burnt themselves out on it. My drug was cocaine. It's been 15+ years since I've used cocaine and I still have almost no sense of smell whatever.

[Tar Heel]

I had a friend that was addicted to Heroin, Oxy Contins, and meth. He always had an amazing tolorance for any drug, but as he used more drugs I saw him less and less. A few years ago he robbed 6 different pharmacies in 3 different counties at gunpoint and is now in prison. He stole nothng but Oxy Contins. It's such a shame because he was a great guy. Hilarious and about as violent as a pink teddy bear.

[feith]

i lost my first love to cocain and OC...he turned into a different person after he started using, and no one ever see him anymore. its so sad.

[zillionaire]

Yah, it's amazing that my man has stayed clean. I think the only reason he made it is because he always snorted it, never banged it. And he has music to keep him sane. And his daughter. I get on his case a lot because he really does a lot better when he smokes pot. He's almost a savant and he can't ever slow down, which is probably why he got messed up in the first place.

We are debating about what to tell her. Addiction is a problem in his family: his mom and grandma were both alcoholics, and his mom popped pills. He doesn't want her to ever know her dad was a junkie, but I think she needs to know that she can't experiment like other kids because she has a greater risk of getting hooked.

[satandole666]

I won't try any of the biggies (Meth, Crack, Heroine) because I consider them one hit drugs. Chances are if you have an addictive personality and you just want to "experiment" you are going to be fucked.

I dabble in opiates (Vicadin, Perks, and regular opium) occasionally and I know if I tried Heroine once I would be fucked. I enjoy the low strength stuff so much that'd I'd probably have a crippling addiction within a matter of weeks.

I'll just stick to weed with a pill every now and then. I hardly drink anymore because alcohol is such a sloppy "high". Not nearly as enjoyable and it carries more consequences for me, such as hangovers and poor decision making. When I smoke I just make warning labels for hours, play video games, or watch TV and Movies. When I drink I want to make a trip somewhere, call someone I shouldn't, and other general stupid acts. Fuck that.

[feith]

Yah, it's amazing that my man has stayed clean. I think the only reason he made it is because he always snorted it, never banged it. And he has music to keep him sane. And his daughter. I get on his case a lot because he really does a lot better when he smokes pot. He's almost a savant and he can't ever slow down, which is probably why he got messed up in the first place.

We are debating about what to tell her. Addiction is a problem in his family: his mom and grandma were both alcoholics, and his mom popped pills. He doesn't want her to ever know her dad was a junkie, but I think she needs to know that she can't experiment like other kids because she has a greater risk of getting hooked.


how old is she?

[zillionaire]

8 mos, so we still have time before the big talk.

[feith]

oh yea def.

my dad was a REAL bad alcoholic, and my mom just kinda sat us down and put it more as a disease, cause it is, addiction is a diease and just let her know that she's at higher risk.

[Bill Paxton]

I believe that pot is a gateway drug, simply because a kid will try it and nothing bad will happen. Then they'll think, "well, they lied to me about this. I guess I'll go ahead and try that crystal meth I've been hearing about."

Right, so we should probably stop lying to kids about the evils of pot and legalize it so kids don't get the stigma of being lied to by their parents and teachers.

And yeah, its been said, but alcohol is the real gateway drug. I know i was drunk when i first decided to smoke.

[Candycane]

I'm pretty sure Benadryl is a gateway drug.

[Bill Paxton]

I'm pretty sure Benadryl is a gateway drug.

Only if you freebase it.

[redsox39]

i have also had run-in's with the police for the same thing.
i was not sent to jail.
i paid a fine and had community service.

it should NOT be legalized cause honestly the prices will sky-rocket due to taxes.


also, how do you get caught with a joint?
throw/hide/eat that shit.


I should read further, to see what other have saidm but I think the black market keeps those prices sky high. Even with all the taxes, there is no way anyone would be selling top quality bud at half the price of gold (as it is now). If they did, watch the Pot futures index sky rocket on the Stock market! Nothing like pot is truly worth $200-$400 an ounce, that is just the price you pay because it is illegal.

[Bill Paxton]

I should read further, to see what other have saidm but I think the black market keeps those prices sky high. Even with all the taxes, there is no way anyone would be selling top quality bud at half the price of gold (as it is now). If they did, watch the Pot futures index sky rocket on the Stock market! Nothing like pot is truly worth $200-$400 an ounce, that is just the price you pay because it is illegal.

Yeah this was pointed out a few days ago, but its so true. Even if you pay 10.00 for a pack of joints, you're still making out better than you are now. Also, as its been pointed out, the quality will be better and you won't have to deal with drug dealers/legal risks. How are you people not seeing this?

[Oracle989]

I think it should be legalized but restricted, in the same manner as cigarettes are now. Or, at the very least, legal to possess but only to use on private property.

[HAWK]

Or, at the very least, legal to possess but only to use on private property.

You mean like cigarettes are now...

[feith]

but who are they going to turn to to determine the price of it?

they would most likely keep it at hte price it is now...with taxes.

[The Batman]

Does anyone know if any progress has been made with that legalizing weed bill that the Senator from MASS was doing?

[feith]

i have no idea, but we all have to come to terms with it...

weed will never be legalized.

stoners aren't motivated enough to organized protests in DC, and that's how you get shit done.

[The Batman]

but who are they going to turn to to determine the price of it?

they would most likely keep it at hte price it is now...with taxes.


I am sure much like any product it would be determined by consumer demand and suppy.

[The Batman]

i have no idea, but we all have to come to terms with it...

weed will never be legalized.

stoners aren't motivated enough to organized protests in DC, and that's how you get shit done.


Hey you never know. This guy from Mass has some good points in the bill he is presenting. Calling it something like "responsible logical adult marijuana act."

[Bill Paxton]

but who are they going to turn to to determine the price of it?

they would most likely keep it at hte price it is now...with taxes.

The price will be determined by the market. If some company comes out selling the product for 50 dollars for a pack and another company can sell it for 40 dollars a pack and still make a profit, they will.

Then another company that can make it for 30 dollars a pack will. This will continue until there is a market price which will be lower unless there is illegal price fixing going on. There will of course be outliers.

There will be companies that sell shitty stuff but for really low price 5 dollars a pack, and then there will be companies that sell super fancy stuff for $100 a pack.

Im making these numbers up as examples of course. But its simple economics.

[The Batman]

The price will be determined by the market. If some company comes out selling the product for 50 dollars for a pack and another company can sell it for 40 dollars a pack and still make a profit, they will.

Then another company that can make it for 30 dollars a pack will. This will continue until there is a market price which will be lower unless there is illegal price fixing going on. There will of course be outliers.

There will be companies that sell shitty stuff but for really low price 5 dollars a pack, and then there will be companies that sell super fancy stuff for $100 a pack.

Im making these numbers up as examples of course. But its simple economics.


It would be awesome to get a pack of 20 joints for 30 bucks.

[The Ape]

If they legalized Marijuana and Prostitution the effect on the US Dollar would be mindblowing.

[hatepoppy]

If they legalized Marijuana and Prostitution the effect on the US Dollar would be mindblowing.care to elaborate? or did you hear something from another pothead and think it totally sounded like, true and stuff?

[The Batman]

care to elaborate? or did you hear something from another pothead and think it totally sounded like, true and stuff?

Yeah, i don't know how it could increase the vaule of the dollar, but it could create two new very profitable business. Both of which shouldn't be illegal in the first place. Hell prostiution should be made legal before weed. Why should it matter if someone decides to pay someone else for pleasure.

[The Ape]

People like to get high. People like to fuck. They already do both illegally without much concern. Make it legal and taxable and that's an economic stimulus that is homegrown......and stuff.

[hatepoppy]

Yeah, i don't know how it could increase the vaule of the dollar, but it could create two new very profitable business. Both of which shouldn't be illegal in the first place. Hell prostiution should be made legal before weed. Why should it matter if someone decides to pay someone else for pleasure.

it's all moral discomfort painted as a health concern. old, stodgy shits will say drugs are bad bc they kill and lead to crime, but its really bc theyre miserable, old, and jealous. the same people will rally against prostitution, overtly bc of concern for the spread of disease, when theyre really just miserable, old, and jealous.

[hatepoppy]

People like to get high. People like to fuck. They already do both illegally without much concern. Make it legal and taxable and that's an economic stimulus that is homegrown......and stuff.du-ude, that sounds awesome!

[The Ape]

If Prostitution became legal its only a matter of time before someone walks in and runs it like big business which means health care plans, protocols and guidelines that'd change the whole thing. In theory of course.

[hatepoppy]

If Prostitution became legal its only a matter of time before someone walks in and runs it like big business which means health care plans, protocols and guidelines that'd change the whole thing. In theory of course.then it would cost like a doctor's visit. the $50 blwojob you're used to handing out at truckstops would cost $500. these services already exist, just ask heidi fleiss or elliot spitzer. theyre just pricey. 'the ape' is a good name for you, considering the monkyfucking schemes you come up w.

[Morfin]

If Prostitution became legal its only a matter of time before someone walks in and runs it like big business which means health care plans, protocols and guidelines that'd change the whole thing. In theory of course.

Hi. Nevada called. It said you were ignorant. You needn't call back.

[NOTKyle]

The price will be determined by the market. If some company comes out selling the product for 50 dollars for a pack and another company can sell it for 40 dollars a pack and still make a profit, they will.

Then another company that can make it for 30 dollars a pack will. This will continue until there is a market price which will be lower unless there is illegal price fixing going on. There will of course be outliers.

There will be companies that sell shitty stuff but for really low price 5 dollars a pack, and then there will be companies that sell super fancy stuff for $100 a pack.

Im making these numbers up as examples of course. But its simple economics.

What do you mean when you say a pack? Pre-rolled joints?