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BIG PIZZLE
01-10-2009, 12:55 PM
I see striking similarities. So I was curious about whether or not others see them too. A quick search revealed the following. Discuss.

http://www.sundayherald.com/oped/opinion/display.var.2479028.0.gaza_ghetto_is_destroyed_and _the_world_stays_silent.php
Gaza ghetto is destroyed and the world stays silent
Tom Shields on Israeli bombings

IT IS a tried and tested recipe for dealing with a civilian population perceived as the enemy. Make them prisoners in their own houses and streets, behind walls and high wire fences. Have your army and police force guard the gates to prevent free movement of people. Blockade food and other essential supplies.

When the people behind the walls rise up in defiance, crush them with all the military power at your disposal. It worked for Nazi Germany in the Warsaw ghetto during the second world war. It's working for the Israelis today in the Gaza Strip.

It is an appropriate analogy. In their operations to exterminate Hamas in the enclosed spaces of Gaza, the Israeli forces are said to use techniques employed by the Germans in their assault on the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto.
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Israel will deny any similarity to Nazi strategy. But the response to the Hamas rocket attacks on Jewish settlements has been totally inappropriate.

In the last couple of years, about 15 Israelis had been killed by Hamas rockets. The death toll in Gaza last week was 430 and rising.

Israel says it is targeting Hamas but some 40 children have been killed by the air strikes. One child was decapitated on Friday while playing in the street in the town of Khan Yunis.

After the bombs and air strikes, a land invasion with tanks and bulldozers is likely to complete the task.

The indiscriminate destruction appears not so much a response to Hamas rockets, as part of a long-term plan to level the urban landscape of the Gaza Strip and drive its inhabitants into the sea.

With the sophisticated military technology available, the Israeli forces should have been able to target more surgically the rocket launchers and the Hamas leaders who ordered the attacks. The iron fist approach is preferred, providing further shades of Nazi Germany, when the assassination of one SS officer would be punished by the razing to the ground of an entire village.

These Hamas leaders and their trigger-happy rocketeers stand culpable. Their Qassam missiles have largely missed any Israeli military targets. They sometimes kill sheep and chickens. Occasionally humans, including young Israeli children, die in these pointless attacks.

From time to time, Hamas manages to land a Qassam or two on its own people. These casualties will be of little concern. The Hamas leadership must know that for every futile rocket launched at Israel, the people of Gaza will suffer 100 or 1000-fold.

Every Israeli atrocity strengthens Hamas's importance in the eyes of the populace. A state of war suits the fundamentalists. There are reports of Hamas gunmen using the chaos in Gaza last week to liquidate Fatah and other Palestinians who stand against them.

If the people of Gaza turn to Hamas, it is because the world has turned its back on Palestine. The US condones Israel's oppression of Palestine and provides the money and military equipment to expedite the genocide.
Most of the rest of the world, including Britain, merely look on. (That fellow Tony Blair, co-producer of the Iraq war and now the world's peace envoy to Palestine, has been remarkably quiet this last week on the subject of how much damage can be done by deadly weapons in the space of 45 minutes.) The world has stood idly by while Israel has set up a system of apartheid which, by comparison, makes the hated regime of South Africa's Dr Verwoerd and his fellow Boers seem like the attention of kindly uncles. With walls, fences, modern roads only for the use of Jews and ubiquitous army checkpoints, Palestinians are routinely corralled and denied access to their places of work, hospitals, homes of friends and relatives. There is little freedom of movement.

As a small but significant example of the isolation which Israel imposes, the Palestine national football team are not allowed to play any matches in their own country.

Even in times of relative peace, Palestinians can expect pretty raw treatment at the hands of the Israeli Defence Force. The IDF will normally stand by and allow militant Jewish settlers to harass and menace Palestinians at gunpoint in an ongoing process of ejecting them from land they have lived on for generations.

To the neutral observer, it is hard to avoid the conclusion that peaceful co-existence is not on the agenda. The extremists in the Israeli state will not be satisfied until only Jews occupy the Holy Land.

So, what can be done?

Nothing, while the US continues to bankroll the Israeli military machine and sanction the use of these weapons against a largely defenceless Palestinian population. Nothing, while international criticism of Israel's aggression remains muted.

Israel, a nation born out of great suffering, is rapidly depleting its reserves of world sympathy. There will be no peace until the modern Israel is perceived by the international community as an outcast and is treated as such. Just as the white supremacists of South Africa were.

This would be a sad fate for the many good and peace-loving Israelis. Like the people I have met on visits who are hospitable and welcoming.

On a balmy night on the seafront in Tel Aviv, it can truly seem to be a land of milk and honey. If you forget that a lot of the prosperity is based on the theft of land from Palestinians.

Many Israelis are active in campaigning for Palestinian rights and face opprobrium from fellow citizens for doing so. It is a faint hope and an unlikely one that the anti-war movement will have any real impact on Israeli politics. Certainly not while Hamas continues to lob missiles or send suicide bombers to kill Israeli civilians.

Palestine will never be freed by armed struggle or invasion by neighbouring Arab states. There may be a slender possibility that passive resistance could work. This would require the emergence of an inspirational leader, a Ghandi or a Mandela. Someone who could lead his people away from fighting and sufficiently shame the Israeli warmongers in the face of world opinion.

I fear these are merely the dreams of a pacifist who wants to give peace a chance. I wouldn't rush down to Ladbrokes to place a wager on such an outcome.

You would get better odds that the Middle East conflict will end in an exchange of nuclear warheads. The men of violence are well and truly in control of the biblical lands.



http://mwcnews.net/content/view/27441/26/
Nazi Israel … Indeed
http://mwcnews.net/images/stories/MWC/1/2/3/4/5/gas-arabs.jpg
Richard Falk, the professor of international law at Princeton University and the UN’s special rapporteur on the Palestinian territories, had accused Israel of violating international law, international humanitarian laws, and the Geneva Convention. He described Israel’s policies against Palestinians and its siege of Gaza as “war crimes”, “genocidal tendencies”, “holocaust implications”, and “holocaust-in-the-making”. He urged the International Criminal Court to look into the possibility of indicting Israeli leaders for war crimes.

Professor Falk had a little taste of Israel’s Nazi-like crimes and human rights violation when he traveled to Israel, last Sunday December 14th, 2008, to visit the Occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip to report on Israel’s compliance with human rights standards and international humanitarian law. The Israelis “detained” Professor Falk at the airport, treated his as a criminal and a threat to the state, humiliated him and deported him next day back to Geneva.

Despite Israel’s strong declaration that every Jew in the world is automatically granted full Israeli citizenship with all the protections this entails, and despite being a Jew himself, Professor Falk was not spared the humiliations and cruelty Israel treats its enemies with
Emboldened by the American blind and unconditional support, defiant Israel wanted to publicly give its finger to Falk and to the UN he represents, declaring itself above all international laws and above any criticism of its crimes and human rights violations even if such criticism comes from a Jew himself. Such defying humiliation of the world political body is meant to distract the UN, and thus the whole world, away from the holocaust it is perpetrating against the 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza, and all its on-going war crimes against the rest of Palestinians throughout the whole Palestine.

Falk’s accusations of Israel’s Nazi-like holocaustal implications are no different from those made by John Dugard, his predecessor, in several reports on conditions in occupied Palestine. Many conscientious political figures, as well as regular citizens, around the world had described Israel’s policies in occupied Palestine in specific and in the Middle East in general as war crimes and threat to world peace.

Comparing the present-day Israel with Nazi Germany one discovers that the majority of the Israeli policies are the exact copies of the Nazi policies. Nazi Germany had invaded its European neighbors extending from England to Russia. Israel had also invaded all its neighboring countries; Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. It is also heavily involved in the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. Its tentacles had also reached African countries as far as South Africa, Somalia, Sudan, Angola, and Sierra Leone.

Nazi war machines used to invade resisting towns, line up the men in the center of the town to be executed in cold blood, and destroyed the whole town as a deterring example for any possible other resisting towns. Worse than the Nazis Israeli forces used to invade peaceful Palestinian towns, execute men, women and children in cold blood everywhere and anywhere they encounter them, dynamite their homes on top of their residents, and finally demolish the whole town making room for new Israeli colonies. Throughout 1948/49 Israelis had committed 70 ugly massacres against Palestinian villagers, and totally destroyed 675 Palestinian towns and villages including their churches and mosques. Such massacres and demolitions followed a set pattern, repeated in one village after the other, indicating a pre-meditated genocidal plan.

In the words of the late Israeli General Moshe Dayan: “The declaration of the State of Israel in 1948 was at the expense of ethnically cleansing 513 Palestinian villages, creating over 700,000 Palestinian refugees and expropriating their lands, homes and businesses in 78% of Palestine … There is not one single place built in this country that did not have a former (Palestinian) population.”

Israel is, still up till today, carrying these same genocidal Nazi-like holocaustal crimes gradually choking 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza to death by starvation, thirst, lack of fuel and disease. Israeli army is in the process of demolishing 40 Palestinian villages in the Negev desert. Army bulldozers are daily destroying Palestinian homes in major Palestinian cities such as Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Hebron, Ramallah, and Nablus.

The Nazi army perpetrated many massacres against prisoners of war. They used to execute prisoners and dump them in graves the prisoners where ordered to dig for themselves. The Israeli army followed the same method of executing prisoners of war especially during 1956 and 1967 Israeli-Egyptian wars. This was reported in the Israeli Haaretz newspaper in June 27th 2000. The Egyptian Human Rights Organization Secretary-General, Muhammad Munib, submitted a report confirming that Israel had killed between 7,000 to 15,000 Egyptian prisoners of wars of 1956 and 1967. The report also identified the locations of 11 mass graves in Sinai and Israel in which thousands of Egyptian prisoners were buried.

The most prominent of these massacres was the El-Arish massacre, where Israeli forces murdered at least 150 Egyptian prisoners of war. Some of the prisoners were run over by Israeli tanks several times, a crime that is still practiced by Israeli army especially in the Gaza Strip. The story of the massacre was originally reported by Israeli eyewitnesses in Israel’s Yediot Ahronot newspaper, and later by Israeli journalist Ran Adelist on Israeli television. It was also reported by the Washington Report of May/June 1996 pages 27 and 28. The massacre was also recorded by the American USS Liberty surveillance ship that was sailing 12 miles off the shore of Gaza. This massacre was a serious war crime and could have been the main reason for the Israeli attack on the Liberty.

Worse than the Nazis the Israeli army had adopted the policy of targeting young Palestinian children in an attempt to “nudge” Palestinian families to leave the country for the sake of the future of the children, and/or to exhaust their financial resources in treating and caring for their disabled and crippled wounded children; the victims of Israeli snipers. Since the beginning of the second Palestinian Intifada, September 2000, Israeli forces have murdered 1050 children (http://rememberthesechildren.org/about.html) in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank; see also the Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/21/israel-palestinian-children), October 21, 2008, and Al-Jazeera (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=PTzQOsO32ro), October 22, 2008. A Palestinian Centre for Human Rights report (http://www.pchrgaza.org/files/PressR/English/2008/2008/43-2008.html) documented, with eyewitness testimonies, at least 68 children were murdered by Israeli army during 12 months from June 07 to June 07 just before the cease fire agreement. The child murder toll rose dramatically during the first six months of 2008 with the Israeli army massive assault of “Operation Winter Heat” against Gaza Strip. Children were directly targeted by Israeli snipers while walking in the streets, while standing in front of their homes, and even while sitting in their school rooms, also directly by drone missiles while playing in courts. They are also the indirect victims if Israeli deliberate targeting densely populated residential areas (Gaza is densely populated) including schools, hospitals and food markets.

The average age of the targeted children was ten years old according to a thousand-page document by Save the Children. The majority of these children were innocent bystanders not participating in any “hostile” activity or causing any threat to the heavily armed Israeli soldiers. In the 80% of the cases of targeted children, the Israeli army prevented the victim from receiving any medical attention. The report also documented that more than 50,000 child victims required medical attention for injuries including gunshot wounds, tear gas inhalation and multiple fractures. A bulletin titled “Deliberate Murder” published in 1989 by the Israeli League for Human and Civil Rights reported the targeting of Palestinian children by Israeli army and snipers from “special unit” had “carefully chosen” the children, who were shot in the head or heart and died instantaneously (Mike Berry & Greg Philo, ‘Israel and Palestine-Competing Histories’, Pluto Press, London, 2006, pp. 86-87).

According to the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention, and the 1989 UN Convention on the Rights of the Child (signed by Israel) children are to be afforded special protection during international armed conflicts. Israel had, and still is violating these international laws.

Like Nazi Germany, who developed and used all kinds of new weapons including the V2 rocket bomb and nerve gas, Israel has used every kind of weapons, even new experimental ones, against Palestinian civilians. This included the Dumdum exploding bullets, nerve gas, experimental chemical and biological weapons, flying drones, and DIME (Dense Inert Metal Explosive) and the latest remote control high power machine guns (seer shoots) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RqPnaS2XVY&NR=1) installed on the high towers of the imprisoning wall (separation wall) and operated by teen aged female soldiers in far away operating rooms like computerized war games. Israel is also know to be a nuclear weapon and is always hinting at using it if/when they feel threatened.

Nazi Germans were brainwashed and driven by a social supremacist ideology of the superior Aryan Race (Der Supermann). They believed that they were superior to the rest of the people and that they should rule the world. Similarly the Israelis are brainwashed and driven by the religious supremacist ideology of god’s chosen people in god’s promised land, and believe that it is their religious duty (mitzvah) to cleanse the world from all gentiles (non-Jews), and to establish a Jewish only world government in preparation for the coming of the Messiah. Such dangerous extreme ideology is taught to Israeli children since childhood.

Moshe Feiglin, who won a respectable position on the Likuds’ Knesset list for the upcoming Israeli election is an admirer of Hitler and his superior ideology. In an interview with the Ha’aretz Newspaper in 1995 he described Hitler as a military genius and a great nation builder. “Hitler was an unparallel military genius. Nazism had transformed Germany from a low to a fantastic physical and ideological status. The ragged, trashy youth body turned into a neat and orderly part of society and Germany received an exemplary regime, a proper justice system, and public order. … This was no bunch of thugs. They merely used thugs and homosexuals”. His holocaustal solution to the Palestinian problem, according to his Manhigut ha’Yehudit (Jewish leadership) website, is to order “the complete stoppage of water, electricity and communication” to the four million Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza.

Feiglin expresses the inner sentiment of every Israeli political leader starting from their first Prime Minister Ben Gurion up to Tzipi Livni, the latest acting Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affair, who have been calling for the murder and the transfer of Palestinians out of the god’s promised land of Israel (Erez Israel). Their real policies become obvious and louder in their campaign rhetoric.

Such genocidal holocaustal tendencies are nurtured, encouraged and called for by top Israeli Rabbis and political leaders. Rabbi Yousef Obadia, the top Israeli religious leader, Rabbi Yisrael Rosen, director of the Tsomet Institute, Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu, the leading religious authority in Israel’s religious national current and former chief Eastern rabbi for Israel, Rabbi Dov Lior, president of the Council of Rabbis of Judea and Samaria (the West Bank), Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu, the chief rabbi of Safed and a candidate for the post of chief rabbi or Israel, Rabbi Eliyahu Kinvinsky, the second most senior authority in the Orthodox religious current, Rabbi Israel Ariel, one of the most prominent rabbis in the West Bank colonies, and Rabbi Yitzhaq Ginsburg, a top rabbi in Israel among many other extremist religious Israeli leaders are continually calling for total extermination and transfer of Palestinians.

Brainwashed and misguided Israelis, especially religious fundamentalists, regularly attack Palestinian towns, vandalize their churches, mosques and cemeteries with graffiti slogans such as “Death to Arabs”, “Gas the Arabs”, and “Mohammad is a pig”, occupying Palestinian after forcefully evicting their Palestinian owners, attacking farmers, burning their crops, cutting their fruit trees, poisoning their water wells, killing their farm animals, destroying properties, looting shops, terrorizing civilians and children and shooting people. Searching youtube.com for “Israeli settlers violence” to watch the hundreds of videos showing Israeli settlers terrorism.

One prominent similarity between Israel and the Nazis is their state sponsored terror groups. According to articles “Eichmann Tells His Own Damning Story”, Life Magazine, Volume 49, Number 22, (November 28th 1960) pp. 19-25, 101-112, and “Eichmann’s Own Story: Part II”, Life Magazine, December 6th 1960 pp. 146-161, Adolf Eichmann stated how Zionist leaders were idealist like Nazi leaders, willing to sacrifice hundred thousands of their own blood to achieve political goal. Lenni Brenner explains in his book “Zionism in the Age of Dictators”, in chapter 25, that Eichmann was referring here to a deal the Nazi struck with Zionist leaders, such as Hungarian Rezso Kastner, to save a few thousand hand-picked Zionists and wealthy Jews, who would immigrate to Palestine, in return for leading 750,000 Hungarian Jews, and other millions of European Jews to their death to make Jews “rightful victim”, so that World Zionist Organization would have the “right” to come “ before the bargaining table when they divide nations and lands at the war’s end … for only with (Jewish) blood shall we (Zionists) get the land.”

The Nazis set up Police Battalion 101, a terrorist group, whose sole purpose was hunting Jewish citizens, killing them and looting and destroying their property. Daniel Jonah Goldhagen states in his book “Hitler’s Willing Executioners” that Battalion 101 was responsible for “the deportation and gruesome slaughter in Poland of tens of thousands of Jewish men, women, and children”.

Israel had its own exact copy of Battalion 101 called Unit 101 under the terrorist Ariel Sharon, who later became Israel’s Prime Minister. Under Sharon’s leadership Unit 101 adopted the same criminal methods to terrorize Palestinians. It also implemented what became known as jeep raids; driving jeeps, with machine guns mounted on the front and rear, into Palestinian towns murdering inhabitants, dynamiting homes, and burning their fields. Since early 1950s Unit 101 was responsible for massacres in Palestinian towns such as Bureij refugee camp, Qibya, Idna, Surif, Wadi Fukin, Falameh, Rantis, Jerusalem, Budrus, Dawayima, Beit Liqya, Khan Younis and Gaza.

Israel had always resorted to terrorist attacks against Jews in other countries especially Arab countries, such as North African Arab countries, Iraq, Lebanon, and Jordan, to encourage Jewish Arab residents to immigrate to Israel. The Lavon Affair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair) is just one famous terrorist related incident in Egypt.

In January 29th 1999 article in Israeli Ha’aretz paper, Gideon Spiro, a former member of the 890 battalion, stated that Unit 101 was an early, more primitive prototype for the more sophisticated liquidation units of Duvdevan and Shimshon established during the Intifada” Its operations were characterized by “lots of killing of civilians and little real combat”.

Israel is the only county in the world with many Prime Ministers, who were members of terrorist and state-sponsored terrorist organizations directly involved in slaughter of civilians. These include Golda Meir, Yitzhak Rabin, Menachem Begin, Yitzhak Shamir, Ehud Barak, Ariel Sharon, and Shimon Peres.

Arnold Toynbee wrote “It was a supreme tragedy that the lesson learnt by them (the Jews) from their encounter with the Nazi German Gentiles should have been, not to eschew but to imitate some of the evil deeds that the Nazis had committed against the Jews.”

Israelis and Jews of the world have relentlessly pursued Nazi war criminals for decades for their war crimes committed during WWII. They chased Nazi war criminals for the rest of their lives, even when they were old and close to their death, to make them pay for their crimes. No doubts in my mind that Israeli war criminals, in turn, will be pursued and sentenced for their war crimes committed against Arabs.

http://kozidryngiel.wordpress.com/2009/01/09/israel-follows-the-path-of-nazi-germany/

Israel follows the path of Nazi Germany (http://kozidryngiel.wordpress.com/2009/01/09/israel-follows-the-path-of-nazi-germany/)

Napisane dnia styczeń 9, 2009 przez autora
http://kozidryngiel.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/isrnaz.png?w=104&h=102A striking similarity between Israel’s strategy in Palestine and Nazi long-term policy of extermination and annexation in Poland during the Second World War is clearly demonstrated by the Nuremberg Tribunal Charges (http://kozidryngiel.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/nuremberg-tribunal-charges.pdf) and the Nuremberg Tribunal Judgement (http://kozidryngiel.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/nuremberg-tribunal-judgement.pdf) against Hans Frank, the Nazi Governor-General of the non-annexed occupied Poland in 1939 - 1945. It is absolutely shocking to read the documents and to see how many objectives and tactics in these two occupation theatres can be assessed as parallel.

The memory of Hans Frank, “the butcher of Cracow” and the overseer of extermination camps in occupied Poland, must still be deeply embedded in Jewish collective consciousness.

http://kozidryngiel.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/hans-frank-himmler1.jpg?w=468&h=345
SS Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler (left) and Hans Frank,
Nazi Governor of Poland, at dinner during a visit
by Himmler to Frank’s residence in Cracow

At different occasions, Frank has made it clear that European Jews must be eliminated:
“We, National Socialists, have started with anti-Semitism in our fight to free the German people, to re-establish a German Reich and to build our entire German spiritual, cultural and social life on the indestructible foundation of our race. We started a gigantic battle in 1919. It took all the self-confidence of German manhood to withstand and to triumph in this fight to substitute the German spirit for Jewish corruption over the concerted attacks of powerful world groups of which Jewry is a representative.” (…)
“Severe measures must and will be adopted against Jews leaving the Ghettos. Death sentences pending against Jews for this reason must be carried out as quickly as possible. This order according to which every Jew found outside the Ghetto is to be executed, must be carried out without fail.” (…)
“As far as the Jews are concerned, I want to tell you quite frankly, that they must be done away with in one way or another. The Fuehrer said once: should united Jewry again succeed in provoking a world war, the blood of not only the nations which have been forced into the war by them will be shed, but the Jew will have found his end in Europe.” (…)
“Gentlemen, I must ask you to rid yourselves of all feeling of pity. We must annihilate the Jews, wherever we find them and wherever it is possible, in order to maintain here the structure of the Reich as a whole. (…) We must find, at any rate, a way which leads to the goal, and my thoughts are working in that direction.” (…)
http://kozidryngiel.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/hanse-frank-wit.jpg?w=455&h=370
Defendant Hans Frank (Nazi Governor of occupied Poland)
in a witness box, Nuremberg Trial, 1945 - 1946

In Frank’s view, the goal of permanent annexation of Polish occupied territories could only be achieved by ruthless destruction of native political, economical, and human potential:
“It is not the task of the Administration to make Poland into a model province or a model state of the German order or to put her economically or financially on a sound basis. The Polish intelligentsia must be prevented from forming a ruling class. The standard of living in the country is to remain low; we only want to draw labour forces from there. Poles are also to be used for the administration of the country. However the forming of national political groups may not be allowed.” (…)
“The Governor General is to give the Polish nation only bare living conditions and is to maintain the basis for military security.” (…)
“Any tendencies towards the consolidation of conditions in Poland are to be suppressed. The ‘Polish muddle’ [polnische Wirtschaft] must be allowed to develop. The government of the territory must make it possible for us to purify the Reich territory from Jews and Polacks, too. Collaboration with new Reich provinces (Posen and West Prussia) only for resettlements.” (…)
“In this country the force of a determined leadership must rule. The Pole must feel here that we are not building him a legal state, but that for him there is only one duty, namely, to work and to behave himself.” (…)
“The situation in regard to Poland is unique insofar as on the one hand - I speak quite openly - we must expand Germanism in such a manner that the area of the General Government becomes pure German colonized land at some decades to come; and, on the other hand under the present war conditions we have to allow foreign racial groups to perform here the work which must be carried out in the service of Greater Germany.” (…)
“It is understandable that in resettling this area . . .we did not make friends of the Poles. In colonizing this territory with racial Germans, we are forced to chase out the Poles. We are removing those who constitute a burden in this new colonization territory. Actually, they are the asocial and inferior elements.” (…)
“Whenever there is the least attempt by the Poles to start anything, an enormous campaign of destruction will follow.” (…)
http://kozidryngiel.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/hans-frank-post-execution.jpg?w=391&h=342
Hans Frank, post-execution photo

Poles and Ukrainians were to be permitted to work for the German economy, as long as the war emergency continued. Once the war was won, Frank advocated:
“…then, for all I care, mincemeat [Hackfleisch] can be made of the Poles and the Ukrainians and all the others who run around here - it does not matter what happens.”

* * *
The fact that similar circumstances often cause similar effects is rather obvious. Once put in motion, the logic of events takes on a life of its own. Just like Nazi Germany in Poland, Israel is heading toward failure in Palestine. As the victims of holocaust ‘deal’ with their trauma by becoming perpetrators , history repeats itself with amazing accuracy. An unprecedented wave of public awareness and political will to stop Israeli war crimes is spreading around the world.



Since 1948, and especially since 1967, Israel is consistently breaking international law and committing numerous crimes against peace, war crimes and crimes against humanity. In Palestine these atrocities include:

state sponsored kidnapping, assassination, and arbitrary imprisonment of political opponents;
military operations targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure;
use of illegal weapons (i.e.: depleted uranium, white phosphorus, cluster bombs);
production and storage of illegal nuclear weapons;
ethnic cleansing (intimidation, expulsion and extermination of Palestinian population);
deliberate creation of conditions resulting in humanitarian catastrophe;
development and protection of illegal settlements in the Occupied Territories;
displacement of local population and denial of the right of refugees to return home or to fair compensation;
boycott and military targeting of democratically elected Palestinian government;
application of collective responsibility;
deliberate sabotage of peace initiatives in order to continue the above agendas.
We often hear an excuse that Israel has the right to defend itself. The hypocrisy of this statement must be exposed and denounced. Military atrocities against popular resistance in illegally occupied territories are not a form of defence, they are a form of aggression. Hamas is defending Palestine and its people. Israel is the aggressor.


Another lie, often used to justify Israeli war crimes, alleges that Hamas’s stated goal is the destruction of Israel. In fact, Hamas has many times issued official statements to the contrary, repeatedly announcing that it was ready to peacefully co-exist with Israel withing the pre-1967 borders.

It does not really matter what Israel’s intentions are, it does not matter what “excuses” Israel is using to justify its criminal theft of Palestinian land. In politics intentions don’t count, results do. Like German leaders in Nuremburg, Israeli political and military leaders bear full responsibility for crimes committed in the process.
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Author: Lech Biegalski
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Endnotes:

Hans Frank was a former Bavarian Minister of Justice, Governor General of Poland (1939-1945), and General of SS. He was tried before the International Military Tribunal in Nuremberg (1945-46).



The indictment which served as the basis for the Main Trial and for charging the defendants contained four counts:

Count One - The Common Plan or Conspiracy to wage an aggressive war in violation of international law or treaties;
Count Two - Planning, preparation, or waging an aggressive war;
Count Three - War Crimes — violations of the international rules of war (mistreatment of prisoners of war or civilian populations, the plunder of private property and the destruction of towns and cities without military justification);
Count Four - Crimes Against Humanity - murder, extermination, enslavement of civilian populations; persecution on the basis of racial, religions or political grounds.
In the actual conduct of the trial, Counts one and two constituted “Crimes Against the Peace;” Count Three constituted “War Crimes,” and Count Four constituted “Crimes Against Humanity.”


Frank was charged under Counts 1, 3, and 4. The Tribunal found that Frank was not guilty on Count One but guilty under Counts Three and Four.
Frank was sentenced to death on October 1, 1946 and hanged on October 16, 1946

mongo
01-10-2009, 12:59 PM
your source sites are a little bias there, pizz.

Le Goat
01-10-2009, 01:00 PM
not only do you fail at a topic you fucking fail at posting.


Kill yourself

Le Goat
01-10-2009, 01:01 PM
and I would like to reiterate the point of you being Tater 2.0

BIG PIZZLE
01-10-2009, 01:03 PM
your source sites are a little bias there, pizz.

I can post tons more, these were the first I found. Do a search.

mongo
01-10-2009, 01:07 PM
I can post tons more, these were the first I found. Do a search.

there are tons of bias articles supporting both sides. posting the ones that support yours isn't going to change the way the opposition views this. an objective non-bias source that provided an article that wasn't an "opinion piece" would have been a better way to go.

BIG PIZZLE
01-10-2009, 01:12 PM
there are tons of bias articles supporting both sides. posting the ones that support yours isn't going to change the way the opposition views this. an objective non-bias source that provided an article that wasn't an "opinion piece" would have been a better way to go.

This entire thread is about people's opinions. I have an opinion and I have posted some articles that make some good points which seem to support my opinion. If you have an opposing opinion, post it and support it. That's what this forum is all about.

Claydon
01-10-2009, 01:17 PM
the jdl is a joke of an organization.

lets talk about how iran, saudi arabia et al don't even show israel on their maps.

BIG PIZZLE
01-10-2009, 01:18 PM
So bomb them too?

Le Goat
01-10-2009, 01:20 PM
why not?

BIG PIZZLE
01-10-2009, 01:20 PM
why not?

That's what Hitler would do!

Le Goat
01-10-2009, 01:28 PM
and?

BIG PIZZLE
01-10-2009, 01:29 PM
I guess you voted wrong.

Let's put cannons on our borders!

4RqPnaS2XVY&NR=1

Claydon
01-10-2009, 01:30 PM
Im all for bombing and invading our 'eternal friends' the saudis.

Genius
01-10-2009, 01:35 PM
I'm all for a nice, conventional, gloves-off war throughout the region that lasts for about a year, that we have nothing to do with. Jews vs. Arabs and Persians in a cage match. Winners takes all and shuts the fuck up. Loser takes none and shuts the fuck up. No nukes, no genocide, just a good old-fashioned war.

Claydon
01-10-2009, 01:51 PM
can a mod PLEASE change goat's post with the emoticon.

it is really fucking up things.

BIG PIZZLE
01-10-2009, 01:54 PM
It should be deleted b/c it is racist.

Le Goat
01-10-2009, 01:56 PM
so pizz, when are you goin out and start acting like your kin?

LONDON (AFP) – Angry demonstrators hurled missiles at riot police outside the Israeli embassy in London on Saturday as a protest against the Jewish state's offensive in the Gaza Strip turned ugly.
Demonstrators pushed over the barricades outside the embassy in Kensington, while a gang tried to force entry to the embassy road from the other end.
Some threw sticks and stones at officers and police in riot gear and on horseback charged the crowd to keep them back, while protesters hurled a crash barrier through the window of a Starbucks coffee shop.
Organisers hoped that 100,000 people would attend the rally, which began in Hyde Park before progressing to the Israeli embassy. An early police estimate put the crowd figure at 12,000.
One person was arrested for aggravated trespass at the embassy protest, a spokesman for London's Metropolitan Police told AFP.
Celebrities and left-wing politicians addressed crowds in Hyde Park before marching to the Israeli embassy.
Demonstrators carried placards reading "Stop the holocaust in Gaza," "Freedom for Palestine," "Gaza -- stop the massacre," "Zionists equals Nazis," "A salute to the gallant fighters of Hamas" and "Jews against the war on Gaza."
Israel vowed to escalate its war in Gaza on Saturday as troops battled Hamas fighters into a third week despite growing calls for a ceasefire as the death toll rose to 825.
Newspaper columnist Lauren Booth, the sister-in-law of Tony Blair, the Middle East Quartet's envoy, told the Hyde Park crowd: "Tony Blair's only comment regarding the ceasefire has been to say that it can only take place after the tunnels in Gaza are destroyed.
"What he is suggesting means that after the massacre people will have no access to food, kerosene and medicines that came through those tunnels. That is not a ceasefire -- that is a slow, agonising death."
Clashes with the police marred the end of last Saturday's demonstration in London and organisers had hoped for a more peaceful protest this time.
Lindsey German, convenor of rally organisers the Stop the War Coalition, said: "We are calling for an end to the massacre and for Israel to get out of Gaza and Palestine.
"We want the British government to take a much stronger position."
Veteran left-wing campaigner Tariq Ali said beforehand: "The most appalling violence is happening in Gaza -- a few punch-ups outside the Israeli embassy is neither here nor there."
In the Scottish capital Edinburgh, organisers said 10,000 people attended a rally, where around 300 shoes and red paint were hurled at the US consulate.
Organisers estimated that around 5,000 people marched through central Belfast calling for an end to violence in the Middle East. Police said about 1,200 attended.
Rallies in support of Israel are scheduled to take place Sunday in London's Trafalgar Square and in Manchester, northwest England.

Le Goat
01-10-2009, 02:02 PM
09.01.09

A peaceful and legal protest against Hamas in Oslo turns into fights between the pro-Israelis and the police on one side VS muslims and lefties on the other.

The the whole protest got interrupted when anti-Israelis started rioting and vandalizing the city. (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4e6_1231600001)

BIG PIZZLE
01-10-2009, 02:06 PM
Cute. But what does this have to do with the 4th reich?

Le Goat
01-10-2009, 02:08 PM
Nothing. I just like proving how retarded you are. It does get rather boring after a while, like shootin fish in a barrel

BIG PIZZLE
01-10-2009, 02:38 PM
Indeed, shooting fish in a barrel seems like the prevailing jew strategy.

freegood
01-10-2009, 02:54 PM
I'm all for a nice, conventional, gloves-off war throughout the region that lasts for about a year, that we have nothing to do with. Jews vs. Arabs and Persians in a cage match. Winners takes all and shuts the fuck up. Loser takes none and shuts the fuck up. No nukes, no genocide, just a good old-fashioned war.

It doesn't count unless there's nukes and genocide.

Morfin
01-10-2009, 02:58 PM
I think the world would be a much better place if Mad Max's Thunderdome existed: Two go in, one come out.

supervixen*
01-10-2009, 02:59 PM
Here's something for you, Pizzle:
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BIG PIZZLE
01-10-2009, 03:50 PM
If you want to do something for me, read a book ignoramus.

taters
01-10-2009, 03:59 PM
Hey, if its jews ethnically cleansing, its not racist!

http://bp0.blogger.com/_HuV_NHMdPd0/RgHrNhQbciI/AAAAAAAAAFE/LdOKwpc_OW4/s320/blue+not+racism.jpg


We all know israelis cant be racist, and anyone who criticises or questions them is either a terrorist, a racist, and antisemite or a sand reggin...I mean a 'criminal'.

(took down the second poster because I just noticed it won an 'antisemite' posters award)

Nosebuckle
01-10-2009, 04:17 PM
Pizz's article was pretty laughable when it referred to Uebermensch as Supermann (even videogames get that right). I then stopped reading after the claims of Jews poisoning water wells. Such a sloppy writing is hard to take srsly.

gillkonam
01-10-2009, 04:18 PM
Well, the Jews weren't exactly attacking the Germans. The only time that happened was riots INSIDE the ghettos, and only when they had been completely invaded in the final days. They were not indiscriminately attacking civilians, but rather soliders who were invading the only refuge they had left.

For the record, I support Israel's stopping of the rocketfire by Hamas, but I don't support the random bombing of civilians outside of the call of neccessity, something that is occuring there with alarming fashion. Also, I didn't/don't support the blockade that has been enacted to "force" the ruling party to comply, as such tactics only ever prove punative to the average person, who becomes increasing desperate and needy. What I think the Israelis should do is try to undermine these radicals by providing the very services they have been providing: food, health care, services, et. al. It would take some real balls on the part of those there in the first days, but now that they have people on the ground, its really the perfect time. The Palestinians have been suffering every since the Russian Jews got into Israel, when the Palestinians (who had been basically treated like the Mexicans of the Middle East--- cheap, exploitable labor) were summarily told that the work they had done was no longer needed, as these new immigrants would be happy to shlep for their fellow Jews. I am not saying at all that all the shit that followed with the Infitada was right (same major issues I have with those rockets), but Israel should have totally worked hand and hand to merge a new Marshall Plan with the Sons of Iraq strategy we have been pursuing. The same opportunity will hold true now: put people to work and show them a continual kind face is the only solution to peace.

BIG PIZZLE
01-10-2009, 04:23 PM
Nobody's saying that the treatment is IDENTICAL. But there are many similarities. Such as state sponsored ghettoization which you yourself touch on.

IdiotBrain
01-10-2009, 04:50 PM
Is anyone surprised that a poster taters was going to use to .... [well.... who knows what the fuck it was supposed to do, they certainly don't prove shit].... won an anti-Semite award?

No fucking way... taters posting anti-Semitic drivel? gorsh!

Morfin
01-10-2009, 04:51 PM
The blockade or isolation of Gaza over the past years is a different issue than what Pizz posted. I don't believe the invasion has those parallels, nor do I believe the isolation and blockade does either. However, while I am leaning toward Israel being the lesser of the two bad actors in terms of the rockets/invasion, their actions toward the Gaza Strip since Hamas was democratically elected, is much more difficult to support.

gillkonam
01-10-2009, 06:57 PM
You are correct, it is a matter of similarities, not identical conditions. I think though that the mode of aggression demonstrated by Hamas is really the sticking point here. Random killing on the part of Hamas gives the polarized sector of the Israeli community the chance to pursue these violent tactics. Really, I think both sides want this to continue forever, for different reasons. The one thing I will say for Israel that I can't say for many in the Arab community is that you do hear a lot of regret and protest from parts of the Israeli/Jewish American community against many of Israel's violent aggression.

Le Goat
01-10-2009, 07:21 PM
The blockade or isolation of Gaza over the past years is a different issue than what Pizz posted. I don't believe the invasion has those parallels, nor do I believe the isolation and blockade does either. However, while I am leaning toward Israel being the lesser of the two bad actors in terms of the rockets/invasion, their actions toward the Gaza Strip since Hamas was democratically elected, is much more difficult to support.

Once again, an election held by a terrorist state does not mean they cease to be terrorists. Take a look at fucking Africa and all it's 'democratic' elections for the most recent example of bogus shit.

Okie Medicvet
01-10-2009, 08:01 PM
what the hell? Can a mod PLEASE edit goat's droppings?

taters
01-10-2009, 08:21 PM
Once again, an election held by a terrorist state does not mean they cease to be terrorists. Take a look at fucking Africa and all it's 'democratic' elections for the most recent example of bogus shit.

Yes, because all palestinians = Terrorist.

I guess if their elected leaders where elected by israelis, that would make them democratic. Just like the elected 'leaders' in aparthied south africa, or leaders of eastern europe during the time of the USSR.

Go democracy!

Is anyone surprised that a poster taters was going to use to .... [well.... who knows what the fuck it was supposed to do, they certainly don't prove shit].... won an anti-Semite award?

You did see where I posted

(took down the second poster because I just noticed it won an 'antisemite' posters award)


Before you made that post, right? Does your dumbfuckery know no bounds? You are indeed a human marvel.

Le Goat
01-10-2009, 09:44 PM
Yes, because all palestinians = Terrorist.

I guess if their elected leaders where elected by israelis, that would make them democratic. Just like the elected 'leaders' in aparthied south africa, or leaders of eastern europe during the time of the USSR.


You fucking retarded reject, where in any of that did I say all palestinians are terrorists? Even in Iran and all your ****** cousins countries there are people that don't agree and vote for the opposition but the person that's elected is elected either out of fear OR PEOPLE FUCKING AGREE WITH WHAT THEY SAY. Which is the case in Gaza and Hezbollah controlled Lebanon. Hell, that's pretty much the case in that entire fucking region.

BIG PIZZLE
01-10-2009, 09:56 PM
You fucking retarded reject!

Genius
01-10-2009, 09:59 PM
You're all fucking retarded rejects!

Le Goat
01-10-2009, 10:01 PM
I concur

BIG PIZZLE
01-10-2009, 10:24 PM
This thread really bothers you.

Okie Medicvet
01-10-2009, 10:42 PM
Oh come on now, just post a damn pic of tubgril so I can try and read this shit!

Le Goat
01-11-2009, 09:34 AM
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taters
01-11-2009, 11:45 AM
Classy.