Kurt Warner HOF?

[Genius]

Obviously his career totals won't stack up against the Marinos, Elways, and Favres. But does this season get him in, now that he's in the NFC title game? First all-time in yards per game, second all-time in completion percentage, 2 MVPs, one ring with an outside (and increasingly inside) shot at a second. Thoughts?

[ADD]

He won't get in, but his and his wife's haircut might

[Jericho]

I really doubt it

[Infotainment]

wasn't this a poll question like 3 weeks back?
Edit: Sorry that was Drew Brees.


Given his body of work I'd say he's probably a Hall of Famer. I guess people forget that he was the best quarterback in the league for a couple of years in a row when he was on the Rams.

[Genius]

wasn't this a poll question like 3 weeks back?
If Kurt Warner and Drew Brees are the same person. I don't think they are, but I could be wrong.

[Le Goat]

First time? no... maybe eventually

[paddlegirl]

doubt it... but who knows with those voters

[nuclearjew]

Hall of Fame QBs don't sit on the bench for years. He had those three great years (2 really) in St. Louis (which I'm sure people will look and see that he had two HoF WRs and a HoF RB to play with), but then went into mediocrity until last year in Arizona. And he was going to be relegated to the bench again this year but Leinart failed to take the starting job. Warner is not a HoF QB.
No, 3 really. And there isn't a player in the Hall who has had a better 3 year stretch than that.
How many years did Steve Young sit on the bench for?
You guys are talking about 3 fucking years.

STFU about Warner. Jeff Garcia had 3 good years too. HOF for Garcia! Fuck, anyone else out there have 3 good fucking years we can throw in the Hall? Lets throw Romo in the hall after next season. Duante had some good seasons.........

Steve Beuerlein was bad ass too. HOF!

[eleveneighteen]

Warner hall of fame? Tonight was Delhomme hall of shame.

Warner will not have a shot unless they win it all.

[nuclearjew]

Even if he wins the Super Bowl this year, I just can't see Warner making the HoF. The NFL is way more selective than the MLB HoF, and the fact that Warner sat on the bench for a bunch of years BETWEEN his HoF-esque career years will make a lot of doubters out of the voters.

[NOTKyle]

Not even if he wins MVP in this years super bowl.

[nuclearjew]

Then vote no you asshat!

[Soup Nazi]

All he needs is one sub-par HoF class, and I think his two MVP's will get him in. MVP's mean less in terms of HoF status in the NFL than in the NBA (or MLB for that matter) but I imagine a 2x winner, who leaves on a positive note (resurgence in his later years, decent media story) will get some love eventually.

Hes a fringe candidate definetely though.

[NOTKyle]

Then vote no you asshat!

Done.

How many GREAT seasons has Warner truly had? 3? 4 at the very most?

No way the hall lets him in. And keep in mind, if he had been on ANY OTHER TEAM EVER besides the Greatest Show On Turf, he'd still be bagging groceries and praying his wife would get hot.

[Menace2Sobriety]

there isn't a player in the Hall who has had a better 3 year stretch than that

[nuclearjew]

Look at Trent Green's stats in 2000...just about anyone would've put up great stats in that offense.

[NOTKyle]

He was a product of the players around him. I don't think that dignifies a spot among the greatest to ever play the game.

[nuclearjew]

I already quoted you you stupid son of a bitch. Change your goddamn avatar, it makes you indistinguishable from OSUMike (the content of your posts not withstanding).

EDIT - To Tua. [/drunk]

[Menace2Sobriety]

Every QB is a product of the system around them. Especially Bill Walsh QBs.

[NOTKyle]

I didn't say system, I said personnel. Faulk, Bruce, Holt, and an insane O Line all in their prime.

Akili Smith would have won 11 games with that team.

[Menace2Sobriety]

- 2-time league MVP
- Super Bowl MVP
- 4 Pro Bowls
- 2-time 1st-team All Pro
- 3 seasons with over 4000 yards (only Manning, Marino, Favre, Moon have more)
- One of only 4 QB's to reach 4500 yards twice (Marino, Fouts, Moon)
- 93.8 passer rating (3rd all time)
- Highest avg. for passing yards/game (259.9/game)
- 8.04 YPA (4th all time)
- 65.4% completions (2nd all time)
- 21.2 completions/game (3rd all time)
- Highest % of 300 yard passing games (min. 100 games)
- 48 games w/300+ yards passing (5th all time)
- Most consecutive games w/300 yards passing (6; tied w/Gannon & Young)
- 3 games w/158.3 rating (2nd most all time)
- 57-44 as a starter in reg. season
- 7-2 record in the playoffs
- Threw game-winning TD in the 99 NFC-C and SB 34
- Only QB to throw for 400 yards in the SB
- Also has 2nd most passing yardage in a SB (vs. NE)
- 4th all time in postseason passer rating (92.6)

Kurt Kurt Kurt Kurt

[nuclearjew]

http://i43.tinypic.com/23w7ltf.jpg

[nuclearjew]

In summary, you're a fucking idiot if you think Kurt Warner is going to go to the NFL Hall of Fame. He has a better chance of getting into the Canned Vegetable Aisle Stocker Hall of Fame.

[nuclearjew]

Ah shit, I forgot, he was injured for 5 years.

[Menace2Sobriety]

I didn't say system, I said personnel. Faulk, Bruce, Holt, and an insane O Line all in their prime.

Akili Smith would have won 11 games with that team.
- You are ignoring Martz' system
- This is not the greatest personnel grouping in NFL history. Warner's stretch was.

[Jericho]

- 2-time league MVP
- Super Bowl MVP
- 4 Pro Bowls
- 2-time 1st-team All Pro
- 3 seasons with over 4000 yards (only Manning, Marino, Favre, Moon have more)
- One of only 4 QB's to reach 4500 yards twice (Marino, Fouts, Moon)
- 93.8 passer rating (3rd all time)
- Highest avg. for passing yards/game (259.9/game)
- 8.04 YPA (4th all time)
- 65.4% completions (2nd all time)
- 21.2 completions/game (3rd all time)
- Highest % of 300 yard passing games (min. 100 games)
- 48 games w/300+ yards passing (5th all time)
- Most consecutive games w/300 yards passing (6; tied w/Gannon & Young)
- 3 games w/158.3 rating (2nd most all time)
- 57-44 as a starter in reg. season
- 7-2 record in the playoffs
- Threw game-winning TD in the 99 NFC-C and SB 34
- Only QB to throw for 400 yards in the SB
- Also has 2nd most passing yardage in a SB (vs. NE)
- 4th all time in postseason passer rating (92.6)

Kurt Kurt Kurt Kurt
That doesn't make sense

[mongo]

is kurt warner gonna have to choke a bitch?

http://i40.tinypic.com/2a8keu9.jpg

[Soup Nazi]

That doesn't make sense

It's worded strangely, but what they are really trying to say is that he is the only QB to pass for over 400 yards in a Superbowl (XXXIV) and that he is also second on the list of passing yards in a Superbowl (XXXVI) trailing only himself.

[Menace2Sobriety]

That doesn't make senseGreat QBs like Kurt play in more than 1 superbowl.

[Jericho]

It's worded strangely, but what they are really trying to say is that he is the only QB to pass for over 400 yards in a Superbowl (XXXIV) and that he is also second on the list of passing yards in a Superbowl (XXXVI) trailing only himself.
Ah,my bad.

[Jericho]

Great QBs like Kurt play in more than 1 superbowl.
Eli or Donavan will join that list soon

[nuclearjew]

Great QBs like Kurt play in more than 1 superbowl.
Too bad he only won 1 Super Bowl, and he only won that because the Rams D held Kevin Dyson by one yard.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/625000/images/_625525_dyson300.jpg

I can't believe 12 people picked Warner in this poll. If he had lost to the Panthers today, most of you would've said no. Stupid.

[mongo]

Too bad he only won 1 Super Bowl, and he only won that because the Rams D held Kevin Dyson by one yard.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/625000/images/_625525_dyson300.jpg

I can't believe 12 people picked Warner in this poll. If he had lost to the Panthers today, most of you would've said no. Stupid.

fuck you *****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

i think you forgot about warner.

[nuclearjew]

Yeah, you've got OSUMike2 on your side. Be proud.

[Jericho]

Brady,Peyton, Favre,...... Warner? The fuck, Tim? I hate to agree with the jew, but he spent 4-5 years of his career holding his dick, man.

[mongo]

but can you name all the 4k yard passers? huh?

http://www.sporcle.com/games/nfl4000season.php

[nuclearjew]

Sporcle is an addiction. I got 61/74. Not bad for being plowed.

[mongo]

Sporcle is an addiction. I got 61/74. Not bad for being plowed.

yes it is.

i got 56.

i forgot fauts and bledsoe. the fuck?

[nuclearjew]

http://i42.tinypic.com/j815d5.jpg

[Jericho]

Elvis Grbac lulz

[Stax]

I voted for Warner mostly to be difficult. But I will say one thing: Kurt Warner was a hugely productive AFL QB, wasn't he? I understand it's a different game and all, but the fact that NFL teams couldn't see a productive QB when handed one on a silver platter is their problem, not Warner's.

Why does the MLB HoF elect Negro Leaguers? I understand the standard is different, what with their being barred from the game and all, but the principle is still the same. Even though you only saw a little bit of Satchel Paige in the Majors, Satchel Paige was clearly a HoFer. Kurt Warner isn't Satchel Paige, but he's damn good.

[mongo]

i got brad johnson. however, it was a blind guess

[nuclearjew]

Again, if he's so great, where was he from 2002-2006?

[Stax]

Again, if he's so great, where was he from 2002-2006?

02: Injured
03: Runs into Marc Bulger
04: Runs into Eli Manning
05: Injured, but great completion %age when in
06: Runs into Matt Leinart, but great completion %age when in
07: Good year
08: Great year

Kurt Warner spent his youthful days getting ignored by the NFL so by the time he got himself noticed he was the grizzled veteran dropped for a youngster (Bulger, Manning, Leinart) the moment things looked even mediocre, and he had a coupled injuries sprinkled in as well. Unless the 07 and 08 Cards are the Greatest Show on Turf 2.0 how is he succeeding if he only succeeded on the Rams thanks to the team around him?

[nuclearjew]

Fitzgerald/Boldin (i.e. one of the greatest WR tandems in NFL history)?

[mongo]

holt/bruce>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..boldin/fitz

[nuclearjew]

holt/bruce>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..boldin/fitz
Not really. I'd say based on average both tandems are pretty comparable. But the Rams had a much better running game/backfield threat (Faulk) than the Cardinals.

[Jericho]

I respectfully disagree

edit: with tim

[bpb]

http://i44.tinypic.com/qnl63m.jpg

[mongo]

well shit.

[Jericho]

hahaha...I'm gonna have to save that one

[nuclearjew]

http://i43.tinypic.com/nbvxw4.jpg

[mongo]

this thread is heading downhill at an insane rate.

[Menace2Sobriety]

Basically Kurt's inspirational tale can be summed up by his freakish 3 year stretch (best in NFL history) and his insane passer rating.

[Rumpleforeskin]

For some reason, I love Kurt Warner, even with his goofy wife and his jesus shit. I hope he makes the HoF.

[Genius]

I really don't like the way he wears his jersey, with the weird slits and cuts in it. He looks like he's wearing a dish towel. I think that keeps him out.

[Insomniac]

Today said more about Fitzgerald's chances for the Hall than Warner's.

[nuclearjew]

I'd get HOF consideration if I could throw to Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, Torry Holt, Marshall Faulk and Isaac Bruce.

[Menace2Sobriety]

You're Josh McKown/Shaun King/Matt Leinart/Marc Bulger/Ryan Fitzpatrick/Trent Green?

[Menace2Sobriety]

Warner's clearly a system QB. He can only succeed when he plays in Martz' system where he leads a team to the superbowl, then goes and plays for a completely new team in a different system and leads them to the superbowl.

[Menace2Sobriety]

WRs define a QBs success. That's why you see successful teams loading up on them. Just look at the success the Lions have had.

[mongo]

apparently favre is a system qb too. he can only lead teams to a superbowl under mike's system.

[nuclearjew]

You're Josh McKown/Shaun King/Matt Leinart/Marc Bulger/Ryan Fitzpatrick/Trent Green?
King and Fitzpatrick don't even belong in this conversation. McCown you might have a point, but he sucked eggs everywhere he went. Bulger had some statistically great seasons in St. Louis (from 2002-2006, he had over 63% completions and averaged over 90 passer rating). The half-season Green had to play with Holt/Bruce/Faulk he had Warner-esque stats, and he went on to have a solid career with Kansas City (though won't sniff the Hall).WRs define a QBs success. That's why you see successful teams loading up on them. Just look at the success the Lions have had.
Yeah, because Charles Rogers and Mike Williams weren't complete headcases...

[UNC]

The only reason Warner rode the bench is because teams would not take a chance on him. He could have been as productive all those years...he still has a couple of years left and if he gets the respect that he should have been getting all along, he will no doubt be in canton when all is said and done.

[Morfin]

Warner's stats, by themselves, are borderline HOF. However, the story of him going from packing groceries, to AFL, NFL Europe and then Super Bowl glory is exactly what the NFL types get a hard-on for. If he wins this Super Bowl, I don't see how he doesn't make it.

And for those who argue that Warner is a system quarterback surrounded by a great team or good receivers, I have two words for you: Troy Aikman.

[CrzyMarcX]

I agree that the system QB argument doesn't hold any water; Montana, Namath, and Unitas are all HOF and they had all their big years on one team befor being traded.

[nuclearjew]

The only reason Warner rode the bench is because teams would not take a chance on him. He could have been as productive all those years...he still has a couple of years left and if he gets the respect that he should have been getting all along, he will no doubt be in canton when all is said and done.
2002–2003 seasons

Going into 2002, observers noticed a distinct loss of velocity on Warner's throws in the 2002 preseason. Warner began the season 0-3 as a starter, throwing seven interceptions against only one touchdown. In their fourth game against the Dallas Cowboys, Warner broke a finger on his throwing hand, and despite attempting to come back later in the season, his injury only allowed him to play two more games (both losses). In contrast to his 103.4 career passer rating entering the season, Warner posted a minuscule 67.4 rating in 2002. Warner was replaced as the Rams' starting quarterback after fumbling six times in the opener of the 2003 season against the New York Giants. Warner's replacement as the Rams quarterback, Marc Bulger, would be named to two Pro Bowls and is currently third all-time in completion percentage (trailing only Warner and Chad Pennington).

New York Giants

The Rams released Warner on June 1, 2004. Two days later, he signed a two-year deal with the New York Giants.

Warner started the 2004 season as the starting quarterback, winning five of his first seven games, but following several poor performances and a two-game losing streak, rookie quarterback Eli Manning was given the starting job.
Sounds like he had plenty of chances.

If he wins this Super Bowl, I will concede that he will receive a lot of support for the Hall of Fame. I honestly never in a million years thought the Arizona Cardinals would make it to the Super Bowl (this year or any year). BUT someone's going to have to wave a flag for him, because his years from 2002-2006 look terrible. His detractors will say the things I have been saying, that he's played with some incredible offensive weapons, that he tailed off and disappeared for a few years, that he was a product of the Mike Martz system that gave mediocre QBs like Marc Bulger, Trent Green and even Jon Kitna some eye-popping stats.

[Stax]

The other factor in considering a system QB though is another one made in baseball. Do you really care that he's a product of his system? Isn't value (and through value greatness) determined by what happens on the field, regardless of outside forces? Should we adjust 1890s pitchers IP count because it was the norm to pitch so much more, or do we just accept that that's what they did? Does Carlos Quentin or ARod win the AL MVP because he would've if he didn't get injured, or do you say "No, you did get injured, what matters is what you did"?

[redsox39]

Warner's stats, by themselves, are borderline HOF. However, the story of him going from packing groceries, to AFL, NFL Europe and then Super Bowl glory is exactly what the NFL types get a hard-on for. If he wins this Super Bowl, I don't see how he doesn't make it.

And for those who argue that Warner is a system quarterback surrounded by a great team or good receivers, I have two words for you: Troy Aikman.


FTW!

[justhere]

Yes. Warner is going to the HoF. It is a lock. If he manages to snag another Super Bowl MVP he will be be selected on the first ballot.

[ADD]

Maybe the grocers' hall of fame is a lock for him.

A few good years doesn't earn you shit. Ask Terrell Davis.

[ShitBreak]

Well Jesus, he knows me
and he knows I'm right
I've been talkin' to Jesus
All my liiiiiiiiiiiiife

[hatepoppy]

you know what i dont get?

its calle dthe hall of fame. not the hall of the best players ever.

michael vick should be a fuckin shoe-in.

[ADD]

Vick and TO will get their own wing

[hatepoppy]

ryan leaf ftw!

[Genius]

Ask Joe Namath where a good personal story, a big Super Bowl win, and mediocre at best career numbers will get you. The guy had a 65.5 career passer rating, for chrissakes. Warner gets in, and if he doesn't, they should kick Namath out.

[ADD]

Lawrence Phillips?

[ShitBreak]

Joe Namath wants to kiss you on the mouth.

[Genius]

If Suzy had stepped up to the plate, her career would have skyrocketed. Now where is she?

[ADD]

Stripping in Joe's drunken mind

[Stax]

you know what i dont get?

its calle dthe hall of fame. not the hall of the best players ever.

michael vick should be a fuckin shoe-in.

Blech, I read an old FJM post making fun of a similar diatribe by Colin Cowherd claiming Jose Canseco should get in because he's "famous" for what he did to the game.

[Morfin]

There's a difference between "famous" and "infamous."

[hatepoppy]

its a good point tho - i thought the hof was a sortof history of the game. i mean i guess it still is, but its just...whitewashed?

[Stax]

its a good point tho - i thought the hof was a sortof history of the game. i mean i guess it still is, but its just...whitewashed?

There's a difference between having a display in the HoF, being discussed, etc, and being elected for your career as a player. Ichiro currently has a display in the HoF for breaking the single-season hit record. Even if you think he'll end up as one, nobody calls Ichiro a "Hall of Famer" right now even though he is sort of "in" the Hall.

[hatepoppy]

There's a difference between having a display in the HoF, being discussed, etc, and being elected for your career as a player. Ichiro currently has a display in the HoF for breaking the single-season hit record. Even if you think he'll end up as one, nobody calls Ichiro a "Hall of Famer" right now even though he is sort of "in" the Hall.
right on - educate me if you can - is pete rose in the hall in the same way? like some display all talkin about hits hits and his gambling and the controversy etc?

i only ask to try to establish a distinction between inclusion and exclusion. sure, include someone not yet voted in bc of something good they did, but exclude someone bc of something bad they did despite any particular achievement?

[Stax]

right on - educate me if you can - is pete rose in the hall in the same way? like some display all talkin about hits hits and his gambling and the controversy etc?

i only ask to try to establish a distinction between inclusion and exclusion. sure, include someone not yet voted in bc of something good they did, but exclude someone bc of something bad they did despite any particular achievement?

I doubt Pete Rose is included, though I can't 100% say for certain. Rose is a different kind of case though as he's actually officially banned from the sport.

[hatepoppy]

I doubt Pete Rose is included, though I can't 100% say for certain. Rose is a different kind of case though as he's actually officially banned from the sport.
it just seems noteworthy to me, even if mentioned in a dishonorable fashion.

[Hanover Fist]

Isn't Brian Bosworth the most famous player in the NFL of all time? Shit, there was a time when everyone wanted to sport the 'BOZ' haircut.

[heelsguy]

this will be his 3rd super bowl, he lost to viniteri --which was completely out of his control--it is not like he was gannon or something in that game... and of course he won one before that as MVP of the league and the game. If he has a great game, then I think win or lose he is in the H of F.

[kid_vidrio]

I'm from AZ. I've been a Cards 'fan' for 20+ years. Still, I gave them 1 pt in my office playoff pool. And boom. They are in the big game.
With the possible exception of Anquan and Edge, most of the guys will talk about a leadership role, a big one, regarding Warner. Nevermind the nod that Whisenhunt deserves, without someone at the helm, the ship will flounder.
Talk smack all day long, but somehow, don't ask me how, they are playing in the single game that everyone aspires to all season, and Kurt Warner is, while not solely, he is at least directly directly involved in that. His third one no less.
System or not, he's HOF.

[UNC]

Vick and TO will get their own wing

*CHICKEN WING

[NOTKyle]

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/deadspin/2009/01/warners.jpg

Brenda for the HOF?

[hatepoppy]

hall of fuckably-hot-broads-that-remind-me-of-that-one-chick-from-roadhouse?

[CunningRunt]

There's a difference between having a display in the HoF, being discussed, etc, and being elected for your career as a player. Ichiro currently has a display in the HoF for breaking the single-season hit record. Even if you think he'll end up as one, nobody calls Ichiro a "Hall of Famer" right now even though he is sort of "in" the Hall.

For the record, Ichiro is a first ballot Hall of Famer.

[CunningRunt]

hall of fuckably-hot-broads-that-remind-me-of-that-one-chick-from-roadhouse?

That chick is in the permanent spank bank!

[nuclearjew]

For the record, Ichiro is a first ballot Hall of Famer.
For the record, keep your stupid bullshit to yourself. Your comment has nothing to do with Kurt Warner.

[CunningRunt]

For the record, keep your stupid bullshit to yourself. Your comment has nothing to do with Kurt Warner.

For the record, fuck off. I'm not the one who brought baseball into a football thread fucktard.

[nuclearjew]

For the record, fuck off. I'm not the one who brought baseball into a football thread fucktard.
Please, keep stalking Stax then! He could use some assplay.

[Hobnail_Boot]

Does the NFL Hall of Fame really matter? I say no. It only matters to players who haven't won a Super Bowl (Dan Marino). Warner has his.

[mongo]

i wish i had the ability to ban people.

[jax]

I voted that if he wins this superbowl...or another one he could get in. But he has to win won to give him a chance. I think if he does, and gets the mvp too, then he becomes a high consideration.

[Thewellz]

I think that it's a definate possibility if he wins this superbowl. If not he still has a good chance, but this will clinch it for him.

[ClarkKentTB]

not a chance

[Chaka]

He did everything to win, not his fault...awful D cost them the ring. He deserves the Hall.

[Genius]

Thanks for your inputz.

[StrangeBrew]

He is in for sure taking 2 teams to the Super Bowl and being MVP he has to get in

[jemeske]

Its the NFL hall of fame. I'm pretty sure you only have to play for like five years in the league and you're a lock.

[Menace2Sobriety]

Tell that to Cris Carter.

[jemeske]

Well, my point is that the pro football hof is generally ridiculous. Lots of players are in there who probably shouldn't be. The selection process isn't very consistent.

I'm pretty sure everyone who attended a Steelers game during their dynasty run is actually an honorary member as well.

[heelsguy]

warner could sit on the sofa and eat chee-tos for the next 5 years and be in the HOF. hes a lock because of what he has done with 2 different teams

[redsox39]

How about we let the punter that we name the award after get in first?