View Full Version : Stephen King brings the heat
the creeps
02-04-2009, 04:28 AM
According to Stephen, "Both Rowling and Meyer, they're speaking directly to young people... The real difference is that Jo Rowling is a terrific writer and Stephenie Meyer can't write worth a darn. She's not very good."http://omg.yahoo.com/news/stephen-king-on-twilight-author-stephenie-meyer-can-t-write-worth-a-darn/18406?nc
King is the man. he can say whatever the hell he wants.
medlar
02-04-2009, 10:46 PM
haha someone had to say it..Meyer got owned but I wouldn't have thought King would put his godly two cents in about this whole Twilight trip.
King is mad. His movies turn into shit. I like king but how many of his books when put on to the big screen suck bawlz
same can be said when your posts hit my friggin screen
WET HOT MESS
02-04-2009, 11:35 PM
Twilight looks like a dumbed down and retardified version of the Vampire Chronicles meets OC-esque type drama. I refuse to read that crap. I'm still kind of shocked of retarded girls squeal over R Patti. He's so... bleaugh.
King is the truth. Rowlings books are popular because of the creativity. Meyers books are popular as a way for teenieboppers or pathetic adults to project themselves as the main character and live in a fantasy world
Okie Medicvet
02-05-2009, 04:22 AM
Exactly. Now if you want some good vampire books out there that aren't ann rice, try Charlaine Harris.
Archangel
02-05-2009, 05:36 AM
Rowlings books are popular because of the creativity.
They're about as original and creative as a Halo sequel.
Okie Medicvet
02-05-2009, 05:52 AM
thank you! I could never say too much bad about the harry potter books because they got my daughter to read, but I could never stomach reading past the first two books, and thinking of how priviliged it was of me to know about Narnia and Middle Earth.
hatepoppy
02-05-2009, 07:24 AM
haa, narnia.
VoxAngelikus
02-05-2009, 09:41 AM
The "Harry Potter" series is good. King's works are also good. The problem is that the attention to detail given to the "Harry Potter" film adaptations goes right out the window when it comes to King adaptations. But, generally, Rowling's novels, and King's novels (especially his earlier works) are much better than the films.
Stephenie Meyer's "Twilight" books have an interesting story. But she writes like a 16-year-old high school girl. In fact, reading her books are simultaneously entertaining and aggravating. They are very easy to read (like Rowling's "Potter" series) and I find that I am curious where the story is heading (even though predictability is one of Meyer's strong points), but the way she writes is so childish that I can't help but wonder if she is a really bad writer or if she is intentionally pandering to me.
Good for Stephen King, though. Someone needs to point out that the "Twilight" books, while entertaining, really are poorly written.
Morfin
02-05-2009, 09:49 AM
The difference in terms of Rowling and Meyer is that Rowling's books are able to be enjoyed by children and adults, while Meyer's writing is such that it can only be enjoyed by teenagers.
And to the dipshit who talked about King's books not making good movies, yes, there are some clunkers, but there were also some very good ones: Carrie, Stand By Me, Shawshank Redemption, Running Man, The Green Mile, The Shining.
hatepoppy
02-05-2009, 09:50 AM
The difference in terms of Rowling and Meyer is that Rowling's books are able to be enjoyed by children and adults, while Meyer's writing is such that it can only be enjoyed by teenagers.
And to the dipshit who talked about King's books not making good movies, yes, there are some clunkers, but there were also some very good ones: Carrie, Stand By Me, Shawshank Redemption, Running Man, The Green Mile, The Shining.
****** wtf is you smokin?
Morfin
02-05-2009, 09:55 AM
Richard Dawson, man. Richard Dawson.
hatepoppy
02-05-2009, 09:56 AM
did you even read the book? it was so not even close to the same. badass blokes smoke dokes.
Oggie
02-05-2009, 09:58 AM
I always wished they'd re-do Running Man like the original story.
It was way good.
hatepoppy
02-05-2009, 09:59 AM
I always wished they'd re-do Running Man like the original story.
It was way good.
it could be SUCH A BADASS FLICK!
hatepoppy
02-05-2009, 09:59 AM
wanna do it in the butt and then write a screenplaiz?
Oggie
02-05-2009, 09:59 AM
Also, Morfin's an idiot.
I like Dawson and all but everyone knows John O'Hurley's the best Feud host.
Oggie
02-05-2009, 10:00 AM
wanna do it in the butt and then write a screenplaiz?
How are you not winning lulziest poster rp?
hatepoppy
02-05-2009, 10:01 AM
some reason ppl like that fat kid that shouldve been on the biggest pussy pole.
nah man, i def get why ppl dont get me, heh.
Morfin
02-05-2009, 10:01 AM
Also, Morfin's an idiot.
I like Dawson and all but everyone knows John O'Hurley's the best Feud host.
Shit. And I just voted for you for best av. Where is the Undo button?
VoxAngelikus
02-05-2009, 10:09 AM
I've got news for you - I haven't watched the movie, but "Twilight" isn't supposed to be that great an adaptation.
Oggie
02-05-2009, 10:10 AM
I've got news for you - I haven't watched the movie, but "Twilight" isn't supposed to be that great an adaptation.
:eek:
hatepoppy
02-05-2009, 10:12 AM
what the fuck is this twilight shits? srsly ppl, wtf? its a pg flick, it cant be worth our attention.
Oggie
02-05-2009, 10:13 AM
I always thought even a bad vampire flick is worth watching, y'know 'cause I did the bloodsuckers.
Turns out I was wrong.
hatepoppy
02-05-2009, 10:13 AM
that ship had long sailed with blade 3, son.
Oggie
02-05-2009, 10:17 AM
*Underworld 2
hatepoppy
02-05-2009, 10:18 AM
blade 3: 2004
underworld 2: 2006
O I FUCKING PONED YOU FUCKER!
VoxAngelikus
02-05-2009, 10:19 AM
The thing that really pisses me off about the "Twilight" books is that she has the audacity to just change the rules regarding vampires. They can go out in sunlight! They don't have fangs! They don't sleep! They can't change into bats! They can impregnate a human being, who can then deliver the baby, who grows into a 9-year-old within a month! They don't have to drink human blood, they can just drink animal blood! All the vampires in the world are run by a thousands year old mafioso-like contingent in Italy!
Gay.
EDIT: And lets not forget that her boyfriend is a vampire, but her best friend is a werewolf. That's right. A werewolf.
Archangel
02-05-2009, 10:19 AM
So apparently, chicks dig sappy love shit.
I mean, the missus and her friends are all closer to 30 than 20, and they all went to university, but they're all madly in love with that Twilight crap.
Oggie
02-05-2009, 10:20 AM
blade 3: 2004
underworld 2: 2006
O I FUCKING PONED YOU FUCKER!
Um, no.
I was saying I liked Blade: Trinity.
hatepoppy
02-05-2009, 10:21 AM
Um, no.
I was saying I liked Blade: Trinity.
oh shit...i didnt realize you wanted to poan yourself.
Archangel
02-05-2009, 10:22 AM
The thing that really pisses me off about the "Twilight" books is that she has the audacity to just change the rules regarding vampires. They can go out in sunlight! They don't have fangs! They don't sleep! They can't change into bats! They can impregnate a human being, who can then deliver the baby, who grows into a 9-year-old within a month! They don't have to drink human blood, they can just drink animal blood! All the vampires in the world are run by a thousands year old mafioso-like contingent in Italy!
Gay.
EDIT: And lets not forget that her boyfriend is a vampire, but her best friend is a werewolf. That's right. A werewolf.
Mate, if chicks gave a fuck about details, every Star Trek con would be overrun with girls.
Seriously, man, these are chicks we're talking about here. The average woman doesn't even now how many hp her car's got, for fuck's sake.
Oggie
02-05-2009, 10:23 AM
oh shit...i didnt realize you wanted to poan yourself.
It's got Van Wilder in it so it has to be good, right?
RIGHT?!!
VoxAngelikus
02-05-2009, 10:24 AM
Good vampire movie: "The Lost Boys"
Bad vampire movie: "Dracula: Dead and Loving It"
Oggie
02-05-2009, 10:25 AM
I feel a poll coming on.
Archangel
02-05-2009, 10:27 AM
Seriously, as long as there was some stuff about sad or undying love and a shitload of angst and tears, chicks wouldn't care that in a book, the sun rose in the north and that a Punto could do 200mph.
I mean, when was the last time you saw a woman read Tom Clancy? Exactly.
Archangel
02-05-2009, 10:31 AM
Back on topic, I'll just say one thing.
King isn't exactly a master of style, either. He spins a good yarn, and sometimes even packages it well, but Goethe, he ain't. And seriously:
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u304/salmonellison/eb718cb9.jpg
Desperado
02-05-2009, 10:42 AM
Back on topic, I'll just say one thing.
King isn't exactly a master of style, either. He spins a good yarn, and sometimes even packages it well, but Goethe, he ain't. And seriously:
He lost that series after Wizard and Glass.
Morfin
02-05-2009, 10:44 AM
And he'd be the first to agree. He is a storyteller, not trying to convey great messages about society and people.
What I have always liked about King is that, more than any other writer, I enjoy reading his writing. I could pick up any of his books and pick a page at random and easily get into it. I'm not saying he is the best, I'm just saying that, for me, his writing works best.
And I like that he doesn't take himself or his craft too seriously. I think he is just a humble, normal guy, who always liked horror and thrillers, and truly enjoys writing them. He knows he's not Updike or Goethe and does not try to be.
hatepoppy
02-05-2009, 10:54 AM
Back on topic, I'll just say one thing.
King isn't exactly a master of style, either. He spins a good yarn, and sometimes even packages it well, but Goethe, he ain't. And seriously:
COME THE FUCK ON!
he wrote creepshow, son.
Oggie
02-05-2009, 11:19 AM
I want my cake you dirty bitch!
SniffTheLog
02-05-2009, 11:25 AM
a DANG :eek:
Grieves
02-05-2009, 05:53 PM
Hollywood is all about remakes and book adaptions. They need to make a faithful adaption of The Running Man.
The one with Schwartzenegger in it was nothing like the book and should have ended the career of everyone involved in it.
edit:And why the fuck hasn't a mod deleted the post before this? Surely, at least one of the females amongst you is repulsed by it.
King can say what he wants regardless of whether he's right or wrong. In this case he's right.
FACT: There's practically no other author than can compare to King's following and track record. Look at the company he keeps when it comes to sales and best-selling lists, etc.
Twilight is simply empirical proof that women are retarded and can't drive.
VoxAngelikus
02-07-2009, 04:32 PM
Twilight is simply empirical proof that women are retarded and can't drive.
So then Twilight:Women :: Your post:you?
And by that I mean your post is proof that you're an idiot.
Okie Medicvet
02-13-2009, 11:47 PM
I heard that twilight was chick book and flick, and have no desire to read or watch it. About the 'chickiest' flick I can stand is the Sex In The City movie, and I missed that when it was on the big screen even.
And King made some clunker and some good movies, but I think with all that needed to be encompassed with the miniseries The Stand, they did a pretty decent job of it.
oh and: "EDIT: And lets not forget that her boyfriend is a vampire, but her best friend is a werewolf. That's right. A werewolf."
If that is true of twilight, then I need to find out if that author or Charlaine Harris came out with their books first, because her main protagonist in the series began by "Dead Until Dark" has a vampire boyfriend and best friend werewolf. Of course our heroine Sookie Stackhouse is psychic herself, and works as a cocktail waitress in a small town in Loiusiana. From what I hear, they might be making a movie on that too.
That's True Blood on Showtime.
Titus_Pullo
02-14-2009, 06:20 PM
It's on HBO. Corrections down the line!
Okie Medicvet
02-15-2009, 04:38 AM
Okay I have got basic expanded cable, which means I get every channel the cable company offers but the movie channels like showtime and hbo...
Trueblood is the brand name of a synthetic blood that is for sale at various places if my memory serves me right. Now is this a movie or a series on the movie channel? Either way, I'm about to call my cable company and have them add the channel that carries it, whether it be showtime, hbo, cinemax, the movie channel or whatever.
I would like to get some feedback on this as to whethr or not ya'll thought it was decent or not.
And I have Stephen King's The Stand in VHS and highly recommend it. Thee were a few places where the story was changed up some, but it stil remained true to the original.
hatepoppy
02-15-2009, 04:50 AM
Okay I have got basic expanded cable, which means I get every channel the cable company offers but the movie channels like showtime and hbo...
Trueblood is the brand name of a synthetic blood that is for sale at various places if my memory serves me right. Now is this a movie or a series on the movie channel? Either way, I'm about to call my cable company and have them add the channel that carries it, whether it be showtime, hbo, cinemax, the movie channel or whatever.
I would like to get some feedback on this as to whethr or not ya'll thought it was decent or not.
And I have Stephen King's The Stand in VHS and highly recommend it. Thee were a few places where the story was changed up some, but it stil remained true to the original.
bullshit, it was horrible. fran was hot in the book.
in the movie? molly fucking ringworm.
Okie Medicvet
02-15-2009, 05:27 AM
Yah that was a surprising pick but you know the only thing I could think of when watching it was how surprised I was that she didn't suck as bad as I thought she would.
But the choices for people like Flagg himself, the trashcan man, Nadine, Tom Cullen, and the professor were spot on, imho.
medlar
02-15-2009, 05:15 PM
Kubrick's The Shining aside and the Stand, it's dissappointing that most films Based on his books are largely failing. The Mist and 1408 were enough to not have me spend my money to see anymore King films.
the creeps
02-15-2009, 05:53 PM
Kubrick's The Shining aside and the Stand, it's dissappointing that most films Based on his books are largely failing. The Mist and 1408 were enough to not have me spend my money to see anymore King films.
pennywise. it is dated as hell, but IT is very well made and creepy, i remember watching it on channel seven when i was a kid.
The GWD
02-16-2009, 01:54 AM
it's dissappointing that most films Based on his books are largely failing.
The fuck are you talking about?
Carrie? Misery? The Dead Zone? The Shawshank Redemption? Fuck, dude. Shit. Motherfuck.
jemeske
02-16-2009, 02:04 AM
Langoliers, bitches.
Kubrick's The Shining aside and the Stand, it's dissappointing that most films Based on his books are largely failing. The Mist and 1408 were enough to not have me spend my money to see anymore King films.
The MIST???!
Have you actually read any of these books?
VoxAngelikus
02-16-2009, 12:09 PM
Contrary to what most people think (and the last two minutes of the movie aside), "The Mist" was one of the few King films that was extremely faithful to the source material. "The Shining" was much different than the novel. "The Stand" was a semi-decent adaptation, but there was a lot that was lost in the translation. Even the better King adaptations like "Shawshank" differ considerably from the actual King stories. But "The Mist" was almost word for word from the book to the screen, with only a couple of minor changes. I thought it was one of the best King adaptations to date and thank goodness, because I would have hated to see that particular story ruined by a bad film.
As for the rest of his work, I don't get his fascination with turning his works into ABC miniseries. "The Stand" would have been much better as an HBO miniseries which would have allowed for more of the actual story to make its way to the screen (not to mention the added element of bad language and less restrictions on the amount of gore). "IT" was good -- 15 years ago. That's another story that I wouldn't mind seeing remade, and not on ABC. The same goes for "Pet Sematary" was actually pretty faithful to the novel, the only problem is the movie wasn't that great. And with so many horror movies getting unnecessary, shitty remakes, why is nobody considering making an attempt at remaking better models of some of the better King stories that failed on the big screen?
Instead, we are going to get "The Talisman" as a TNT miniseries. Another great story that will be butchered by the limitations of basic cable.
Gary_Busey
02-16-2009, 12:17 PM
I actually liked The Mist. I just wish they spent more time in The Mist so I could get to see more of the fucked up creatures.
Archangel
02-16-2009, 12:19 PM
I actually liked The Mist. I just wish they spent more time in The Mist so I could get to see more of the fucked up creatures.Probably budget concerns.
But yeah, I enjoyed the shit out of that flick, too.
Contrary to what most people think (and the last two minutes of the movie aside), "The Mist" was one of the few King films that was extremely faithful to the source material.
King stated he actually liked The Mist's ending more than his original in the novella.
VoxAngelikus
02-16-2009, 12:28 PM
I thought that the ending was a very appropriate culmination to the events in the story. I can see why some people would not like it, but personally I found it devilishly satisfying.
The only thing I wish they had done differently was the trip to the pharmacy. There was something very unnerving about the part in the story where they see the dead person with the red shirt and then realize that he's not wearing a red shirt, but rather a white shirt stained with blood because he has no head.
the creeps
02-16-2009, 05:07 PM
I thought that the ending was a very appropriate culmination to the events in the story. I can see why some people would not like it, but personally I found it devilishly satisfying.
i really wanted the curb your enthusiasm music to placed over the end "the mist" with that aside, i don't know why more novels are not being turned into tv shows. hell even if you did one season per book, i think it would sell. look at "dexter"
Duncndisorderly
02-17-2009, 05:13 PM
I actually liked The Mist. I just wish they spent more time in The Mist so I could get to see more of the fucked up creatures.
The Mist made me want to rip off Steven Kings nutsack and throw it at him, that is all
BeeRand
02-20-2009, 04:58 AM
I enjoyed The Mist. I went in expecting it to be awful but it turned out to be quite good. However, I didn't read the source material.
The Stand was a faithful adaption of the novel, which is King's best work. It was obviously handicapped by the fact that it was on cable television and had like zero budget, but it nonetheless covered the story pretty well. My complaints with the film were largely in the casting. No one likes Molly Ringwald...even Molly Ringwald doesn't like Molly Ringwald. Gary Sinise is a decent enough actor but he was too old. If I recall, Stu was supposed to be in his late 20's and Sinise looks about 40.
Kubrick's The Shining was a great film but completely different from the novel (as has been stated). The TV adaption with Stephen Weber was better. But once again, its on TV so it left much to be desired. And the ending was changed. I guess you couldn't really get away with someone bashing their own face in with a mallet on cable television...
Desperation sucked. But I didn't really like the novel either. The Regulators was FAR superior.
VoxAngelikus
02-20-2009, 10:35 AM
I don't understand the fascination with ABC miniseries. You know right from the start that a good portion of your source material is going to be cut out. If I were an author, that would bother me, especially knowing that if I chose a pay-cable outlet like HBO or Showtime, I could make a better adaptation.
BeeRand
02-21-2009, 05:39 AM
I don't understand the fascination with ABC miniseries. You know right from the start that a good portion of your source material is going to be cut out. If I were an author, that would bother me, especially knowing that if I chose a pay-cable outlet like HBO or Showtime, I could make a better adaptation.
I think he sees an opportunity to tell his story without eliminating significant portions of plot. The Shining, Rose Red (good god), Desperation, Ride the Bullet (omg), and The Stand were all separated over several installments. If you discount the fact that The Stand looked bad (in terms of the visual effects), it was a faithful adaption. And really there's no way to fully film one of his novels in less then 4-5 hours. So its a sacrifice of cinematic quality/violence for literary accuracy. I'm not sure I agree with it most of the time, but The Shining was good.
VoxAngelikus
02-21-2009, 11:09 AM
I think the perfect venue for a lot of his stories would be pay cable. You'd be able to get away with taking a story like "The Stand" or "IT" and presenting it in five or six hour-long installments, breaking the story up so that you don't feel like you are watching a six hour-long movie.
I mention those two movies specifically because if you want a good solid remake of either one, you would have to be able to get involved with all the characters and their backstories, whereas something like "Pet Sematary" could be done in a two-hour movie. But, you know, better than the Mary Lambert version from 1989, which stuck to the plot of the novel but was nowhere near as scary. The movie was alright, but that book was punched-in-the-gut scary.
hatepoppy
02-21-2009, 11:12 AM
i still freak out like my achilles is gonna be sliced by a baby w a scalpel.
BeeRand
02-21-2009, 06:35 PM
I think the perfect venue for a lot of his stories would be pay cable. You'd be able to get away with taking a story like "The Stand" or "IT" and presenting it in five or six hour-long installments, breaking the story up so that you don't feel like you are watching a six hour-long movie.
I'm with you. The Stand was such an epic piece of work. If the film adaption had been done on HBO, it really could have done it justice.
Here's a question. How do you feel about The Dark Tower series? Along the lines of what you suggested, I think if they turned it into an HBO series, it could be awesome. Not just a series of installments, but a full on series because of the sheer volume of source material. There are rumors that it is going to adapted to the big screen .... by J.J. Abrams which is tantamount to blasphemy.
janois
02-21-2009, 08:34 PM
I'm with you. The Stand was such an epic piece of work. If the film adaption had been done on HBO, it really could have done it justice.
Here's a question. How do you feel about The Dark Tower series? Along the lines of what you suggested, I think if they turned it into an HBO series, it could be awesome. Not just a series of installments, but a full on series because of the sheer volume of source material. There are rumors that it is going to adapted to the big screen .... by J.J. Abrams which is tantamount to blasphemy.
From your mouth to God's ears. Only HBO could do Roland justice. It would need to be a mega-series. About a seasons worth of episodes for the whole story. The last 3 books leave a sour taste on my palate though. There should be a thread on The Dark Tower.
VoxAngelikus
02-21-2009, 11:41 PM
I think if they did "The Dark Tower" on HBO it'd have to be a full series, like "Sopranos" was. The only problem is that there is no guarantee it'd be successful, and the amount of story in the Dark Tower... if they had to cancel before it reached any kind of conclusion that would be shitty.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0837563/
I'm too cheap to get imDb pro, so I don't know what the story is with this link
BeeRand
02-22-2009, 12:08 AM
Yea, that's exactly what I was saying in regards to the Dark Tower series. It needs to be an actual tv series not just a set of installments. Probably at least three seasons to do the seven books justice.
Wow, I can't believe they would remake Pet Semetary. The movie isn't that old. The studios are just getting desperate at this point.
noahsdove
02-23-2009, 08:08 AM
pennywise. it is dated as hell, but IT is very well made and creepy, i remember watching it on channel seven when i was a kid.
To think IT was a made-for-tv-movie as well.
The only King movies that I thought were done well were:
Shawshank Redemption
Green Mile
The Shining ( the Tv version)
Stand By Me
I would like to see a true to form translation of book to movie that is good for once.
Fiend1138
02-23-2009, 01:18 PM
To think IT was a made-for-tv-movie as well.
The only King movies that I thought were done well were:
Shawshank Redemption
Green Mile
The Shining ( the Tv version)
Stand By Me
I would like to see a true to form translation of book to movie that is good for once.
whoa, whoa, whoa, the tv version of The Shining? The one with the dude from Wings?
while it was more faithful to the book, are you really going to try to tell me that it was better than Kubrick's? I call shenanigans.
VoxAngelikus
02-23-2009, 04:14 PM
It may not have been better than Kubrick's, but it was more faithful to the book.
The GWD
02-23-2009, 04:42 PM
Am I the only person who fucking loved Misery? I still watch that movie every now and then. Also, the Dead Zone. Christopher Walken. Come on. I liked Carrie. I really liked Cujo when I saw it. Christine. Firestarter.
Come on fellas. King is the King. End of story.
medlar
02-23-2009, 06:18 PM
Misery was decent on account of the cast and it was true to the book.
When I watch any film based on his books, I have to try and stay away from the whole "you have to forget the book and just enjoy the whole experience" take because it is never convincing. The fact is..... most of his storys are so good that plenty of the films are just interpretations and a bit marred but then you can't put in all of King's subtleties that make his books such thourough reading.
Bastard
02-25-2009, 04:10 AM
Am I the only person who fucking loved Misery? I still watch that movie every now and then. Also, the Dead Zone. Christopher Walken. Come on. I liked Carrie. I really liked Cujo when I saw it. Christine. Firestarter.
Come on fellas. King is the King. End of story.
Misery was decent on account of the cast and it was true to the book.
The film “Misery” was outstanding and so was the book. Kathy Bates deserved the academy award for her performance. The Misery film was pretty true to the book but she fucked him up far worse in the book. It also would have been fun to see the lawnmower scene on screen.
BeeRand
02-25-2009, 10:43 PM
The film “Misery” was outstanding and so was the book. Kathy Bates deserved the academy award for her performance. The Misery film was pretty true to the book but she fucked him up far worse in the book. It also would have been fun to see the lawnmower scene on screen.
I know its cliche but I cant even look at the screen when she hobbles him with the sledgehammer. Yikes!