The Higher Education Thread

[Satan]

Had this on the old board, and even crazycarl couldn't find it here, so I assume it never was restarted.

I'm quitting my job so I can go back to school and rack up some good old fashioned debt, so I need some advice. I have to take the GMAT and I want to know what kind of study materials are worth investing in. Any horror/sexy stories are welcome as well.

[WET HOT MESS]

You're my hero.

[Satan]

I'm the people's champ

[mongo]

i highly recommend a kaplan and/or princeton review course. they did a nice job helping me prepare for my GRE. they are usually only a few hundred and you get to take tons of practice tests. you get study materials (flashcards, books, cd's, etc...) and sometimes there are hot chicks in your class.

[vasili denisov]

Any horror/sexy stories are welcome as well.
As I made the turn, I nearly hit the overturned car. I got out and moved towards the woman who crawled towards my car lights, her eyes unblinded, another blindness having struck her. I saw blood on her dress, and a trail of tubes I last saw in a biology diagram oozing out of her side. Harold. Harold. Stop it now. Kill me now. Stop it now. I just stared as she moved closer and closer inch by inch, then unzipped my pants.

Oh, wait, stories related to this GMAT thing. Neeeeeeeeeeeever mind.

[Le Goat]

fucking quitter




Typical Shark's fan!

[BIG PIZZLE]

Kaplan, and do as many practice tests you can get your hands on. Studying for the test is more about learing how to take it than it is about learning the materials.

[mongo]

Kaplan, and do as many practice tests you can get your hands on. Studying for the test is more about learing how to take it than it is about learning the materials.

stop copying me. and no shit.

[BIG PIZZLE]

Oh and sometimes there are hot chicks in your class.

[wonderllama]

If you fail, there'll be twice as many hot chicks too...keep that in mind!

[mongo]

if you fail, you'll end up just like wonderllama, remember that.

[wonderllama]

He's a country member!

[Hodge]

If you were 26 and had already attained one hard as hell bachelor's degree would you spend another 3 years getting another bachelor's degree?

[BIG PIZZLE]

If you fail, there'll be twice as many hot chicks too...keep that in mind!

But are they virgins?

[Archetype]

If you were 26 and had already attained one hard as hell bachelor's degree would you spend another 3 years getting another bachelor's degree?

What program is 3 years?

[mongo]

If you were 26 and had already attained one hard as hell bachelor's degree would you spend another 3 years getting another bachelor's degree?

why the fuck not? i spent just over 5 years to get two.

[Hodge]

What program is 3 years?
I could get an engineering degree in 3 years. My physics degree shaves off 1 year, maybe more.

[Archetype]

I could get an engineering degree in 3 years. My physics degree shaves off 1 year, maybe more.
I didn't realize you could count courses more than once.

[Satan]

Why wouldn't you?

[Da Raider]

Why wouldn't you?

well, look at how the employment market is right now.

There's two schools of thought:

1. Why spend more $, cuz when I get my degree there's no guarantee I'm going to be able to get a job.
2. With the employment market the way it is, I might as well step back, get another degree, and hopefully the job market will turn around and I'll be more competative with that additional degree.

What are you going to be studying?

[Satan]

well, look at how the employment market is right now.

There's two schools of thought:

1. Why spend more $, cuz when I get my degree there's no guarantee I'm going to be able to get a job.
2. With the employment market the way it is, I might as well step back, get another degree, and hopefully the job market will turn around and I'll be more competative with that additional degree.

What are you going to be studying?
My question was referring to him thinking you couldn't double count courses. And I'm not 100% sure what I'll be studying at this point, if nothing else it'll just be an MBA. I'm thinking about doing marketing or something more oriented to working in high tech management(I live in silicon valley so yeah), but right now its largely dependent on what schools are realistically available to me based on my GMAT. Money is not a huge issue here, so when I figure out what schools are available to me, I'll make a decision on what I think is the most worthwhile degree to pursue.

And the job I just quit was paying really well, it was just making me work back breaking hours to the point where I'd never see my family.

[Penguin Rick]

For the folks with higher mental capacities than squirrels...

Ha but in all seriousness, this thread is going to be a bastion for any GMFer finding their way through college (ME), and I guess high school too (retards). And I'm pretty sure we had one on the old boards too.

I'll start things off. I'm currently studying engineering but want to go to law school after my undergrad. Is this possible, or will law schools look at my lower GPA (than say, a polisci major) as a detriment to my application?

[Hodge]

How much lower?
My buddy did a double major in Bio-chem and physics with a 3.33 GPA and still gave up trying to get into law school

[Morfin]

The answer is that it depends on where you are going to law school. You need to find one that values diversity, rather than grind and pure numbers.

For example, many years ago, when I went to the University of Wisconsin Law School, their focus was on diversity: not just meaning racial diversity, but different backgrounds. I had friends, like me, who went to college and then wanted to go straight to law school, but could not get into UW, even though their grades and LSAT scores were good. Once we got in, we found out that UW admitted a lot of second career students, housewives who now decided to go into law school, that sort of thing.

For me, my grades were not spectacular, but I did well on the LSAT and my undergrad degree was a B.A. in Biology, so I had a different background. Maybe this helped me get in.

So, the fact that you have a non-traditional degree may well be a positive. Also, keep in mind that engineering is very valuable for law. In order to be a patent lawyer, you must be an engineer. So, in terms of prospects, yours would be good.

With all that being said, there are a shitload of lawyers. Think hard before you decide to enter law school and that job market.

[Hannibal Lecter]

How far along are you PR? How does engineering dovetail with law school? Could you switch majors? How much does what you make on the LSAT play into your acceptance?

As on in the field of education, I like to think there are always options.


EDIT: I agree with everything that Morfin said except for the job market. I think our current political climate is creating more opportunities for lawyers. I don't say this to start a fight or a political discussion, I'm just saying...

[Penguin Rick]

Yea, I've heard the demand for lawyers has gone up given our climate. And I want to get into a top 14 law school, it seems that graduates from these schools can get into positions at big law firms. My dream law school is NYU, but their GPA requirement is very high.

I haven't taken an official LSAT (I'm only a freshman), but given my SAT scores, I'm predicted to get a 173. I'm taking that with a grain of salt, but I feel like I have a good shot to do well on the LSAT.

As for engineering, I am studying it because I truly enjoy it. Compared to all the other undergraduate options (such as artsy majors or majors with purely science curriculum, like physics), engineering seems much more appealing to me. Plus, engineers have a wide array of options that they can get into after graduating, such as consulting. So if I don't get into any law schools that I want to attend, having a BS in Electrical Engineering and a BS in Economics isn't too bad to fall back on.

[Hannibal Lecter]

Yea, I've heard the demand for lawyers has gone up given our climate. And I want to get into a top 14 law school, it seems that graduates from these schools can get into positions at big law firms. My dream law school is NYU, but their GPA requirement is very high.

I haven't taken an official LSAT (I'm only a freshman), but given my SAT scores, I'm predicted to get a 173. I'm taking that with a grain of salt, but I feel like I have a good shot to do well on the LSAT.

As for engineering, I am studying it because I truly enjoy it. Compared to all the other undergraduate options (such as artsy majors or majors with purely science curriculum, like physics), engineering seems much more appealing to me. Plus, engineers have a wide array of options that they can get into after graduating, such as consulting. So if I don't get into any law schools that I want to attend, having a BS in Electrical Engineering and a BS in Economics isn't too bad to fall back on.
Brilliant! Now, do you think you'd enjoy law?

[Penguin Rick]

To be honest, my reason for going to law school would be to do something significant. I feel like anyone who's done anything significant to impact the world has had a JD, and one of the reasons for going to NYU law is their spectacular International Law program, which I am very interested in.

[Hannibal Lecter]

I say, do what you enjoy. If you don't love the work, you will get trampled by someone who does. Significance is relative, anyway.

[Phil Theehor]

The elders' comments on studying the job market are correct. However, I'll mention that the combination of law + engineering will dovetail nicely into patent law. It doesn't sound like that's what you want to do, but it is a nice, lucrative field. Having the engineering background will give you a big leg up on your competition.

Beyond that, your engineering background will be helpful in just about whatever you do. I see engineering grads succeeding sales, finance, IT, operations, etc. etc.

Once you have that background, you are halfway to learning any other field. And what you'll bring with you is an engineer's problem-solving ability and thought process. You will find yourself using that the rest of your life.

[IdiotBrain]

Within the next few months I'll be quitting my job in order to go back to school. At 22 it's not quite too late, but it's also about fucking time.

I graduated highschool at 17, and went straight into a local technical college in order to get my basics out of the way. Sometime around this time is when I found alcohol, weed and women.... so I ended up not doing a god damned thing.

Hopefully this time it's a bit different.

[Penguin Rick]

The elders' comments on studying the job market are correct. However, I'll mention that the combination of law + engineering will dovetail nicely into patent law. It doesn't sound like that's what you want to do, but it is a nice, lucrative field. Having the engineering background will give you a big leg up on your competition.

Beyond that, your engineering background will be helpful in just about whatever you do. I see engineering grads succeeding sales, finance, IT, operations, etc. etc.

Once you have that background, you are halfway to learning any other field. And what you'll bring with you is an engineer's problem-solving ability and thought process. You will find yourself using that the rest of your life.

I know engineering + JD goes right into patent law, and they do make a shit ton of money. But I've always wondered what is it that they actually do? I've never really grasped the concept of what their job entails.

[Phil Theehor]

I know engineering + JD goes right into patent law, and they do make a shit ton of money. But I've always wondered what is it that they actually do? I've never really grasped the concept of what their job entails.

Depends who you work for... and I'd probably be better letting Morfin pick this up from here.

However, my understanding is that you will either pick up a novel technique early in the patent process and see it through. Or, you will defend somebody accused of violating that patent. Or, you will go after an existing patent to try to get it struck down. Your engineering background will allow you to argue the fine points of the technique.

[Penguin Rick]

Thanks Phil.

Within the next few months I'll be quitting my job in order to go back to school. At 22 it's not quite too late, but it's also about fucking time.

I graduated highschool at 17, and went straight into a local technical college in order to get my basics out of the way. Sometime around this time is when I found alcohol, weed and women.... so I ended up not doing a god damned thing.

Hopefully this time it's a bit different.

Keep your eye on the prize man. I've definitely lost focus a few times this year, but I see the upperclassmen are much more serious than freshman are. So maturity will probably come to me eventually.

[Stax]

I'm the flip side of that coin, Ricky. I'm a Poli Sci guy who wants to go to law school, I'm just worried because I feel like I've learned nothing practical that will actually be useful in the real world.

[Hannibal Lecter]

I'm the flip side of that coin, Ricky. I'm a Poli Sci guy who wants to go to law school, I'm just worried because I feel like I've learned nothing practical that will actually be useful in the real world.
This is why I asked about the engineering degree. Clearly it is practical knowledge when pursuing the law degree.

I think it comes down to whether or not you will actually like doing the work? I know some established lawyers who make tons of money and have tons of free time, but they are all twenty plus years removed from law school. I also know guys with two year degrees who make tons of money and have tons of free time. They went into work which they loved.

[Penguin Rick]

People who study polisci usually use it as a means to an end to get into law school. I took a class in my first quarter here called Law and Society, and it was very interesting to me. Hell, I could probably even major in polisci and stay fairly interested in what it was I was reading. But if for some reason I didn't end up going to law school, I'd much rather have an engineering degree under my belt. Not taking anything away from you though.

[}{arlequin]

poli sci is a useless degree. i has it.

[Hannibal Lecter]

poli sci is a useless degree. i has it.
Then how'd you get to be so awesome?

[Penguin Rick]

Depends who you work for... and I'd probably be better letting Morfin pick this up from here.

However, my understanding is that you will either pick up a novel technique early in the patent process and see it through. Or, you will defend somebody accused of violating that patent. Or, you will go after an existing patent to try to get it struck down. Your engineering background will allow you to argue the fine points of the technique.

Would it be beneficial for me to get a master's in EE before going to law school if I was pursuing patent law? The way I see it, if I'm not going to work in industry, I don't see the point in getting a MS.

[Hodge]

A master's in EE will be a huge credential no matter what you get into. It will definitely give you a leg up in climbing the corporate ladder and will probably give you more promise of getting into law school even if your GPA isn't 4.0. A successful research project would speak HUGELY of your potential.

The big question is: Do you have enough motivation to attend that much school. I'm not sure of the exact numbers but you're probably looking at 5-6 years of combined schooling after getting your B. A. Sc..

Would you go the academic route or research route for your masters? I've already given some heavy thought to getting my M. Sc. Eng. after I'm done my Bachelors while I have no interest in pursuing a M. Sc. in Physics although I have a Bachelors already. I'd rather be paid to go than pay to go though.

[NOTKyle]

MERGED LOL!

And to stay on topic, I'm getting a sociology degree.

The job I get after college will be no better then the one I have now. Holla.

[Rumpleforeskin]

In general, what is the role of the internship when it comes to getting a degree? I'm in one now, I'd just like to see what everyone else says.

[The Dude]

to the degree itself? little, if any. internships are more things you want on your resume after you graduate when job hunting. if you are required to get a job for your degree its usually in the form of a co-op.

[POO POO CANNON]

Real men take GIS and computing!

[NOTKyle]

In general, what is the role of the internship when it comes to getting a degree? I'm in one now, I'd just like to see what everyone else says.

At my school you can get credits for an approved internship, but it's never mandatory. Like SiG said it just looks nice on a resume, but still not as good as real work experience.

[Rumpleforeskin]

Well, your answer is the same as I see it. An internship is more of a resume-booster than anything else. Currently, my internship requires me to use little if any of my education, and pays $8.50 per hour. I could have applied for a position that is exactly the same as the internship but without the title, and be paid more. I guess interns are just a form of cheap labor?

[POO POO CANNON]

An internship is also an opportunity for university administrators to evaluate your skills, as well as the effectiveness of their methods.

I know a couple places in which professors or TA's work employers feedback into grading if an internship is undertaken during your university tenure.

[NOTKyle]

That's all it is. My uncle works in public relations in NYC, so I asked him to look around for a job for me for the summer since I'll be living there. He said that he's had dozens of people say I could intern for them, but nobody is willing to pay me for the work when they can get a more privileged college kid to do it for free.

[Pox]

I'm a poly sci/english major with minors in history and sociology.

My focuses may be useless but at least I have a lot of them

[Hodge]

Some glasses will fix that.


**rimshot**

[Pox]

You need to study harder at clown college

[NOTKyle]

Pox do you have an ultimate career goal, or are you doing the same thing as me and just taking interesting classes and figuring things out later?

[POO POO CANNON]

I thought that was what university was all about :(

Then I got there and everyone already had everything figured out and I felt like a bumpkin.

[STDSkillz]

I graduated with a degree in Maf. What do I get?

[NOTKyle]

I feel the same way. Everyone knows what they're going to do, and it involves way too much time in a classroom. I just want my piece of paper so I can finally break free of the suburban timeline I was forced into.

[Pox]

I have absolutely no goals in mind. I took intro to anything and everything my first two years, and now I'm getting a degree together from the assorted bullshit that I've accumulated.

Luckily, I passed up some more prestigious schools and chose a pretty good liberal arts college that gave me practically a free ride. So this college thing is more of a hobby than a career path for me. Best decision I ever made.

[NOTKyle]

I have absolutely no goals in mind. I took intro to anything and everything my first two years, and now I'm getting a degree together from the assorted bullshit that I've accumulated.

Luckily, I passed up some really good schools and chose a pretty good liberal arts college that gave me practically a free ride. So this college thing is more of a hobby than a career path for me. Best decision I ever made.

Good for you man. I passed up a school giving me money to go to a better one, and I regret it big time.

But mostly because of the people, not the school itself.

[Pox]

Good for you man. I passed up a school giving me money to go to a better one, and I regret it big time.

But mostly because of the people, not the school itself.

Yea, my hand was sort of forced, but I'm glad it was. I pretty much had to pay for everything, the top schools I got into (Emory, NYU and Rice) offered me nothing. So assuming 150K+ in debt to be taught by TAs didnt seem that great.

At the school I picked, every one of my classes is under 30 people, the people are cool, and I'm going to graduate owing less than 10K.

I can't believe that in high school I wanted to go to UMass Amherst, which is pretty much like Auschwitz, except they poison you with Natty Ice instead of Zyklon B.

[The Dude]

the hobart hoedown makes it worth it...





ok, nt rly, but its fun as shit

[NOTKyle]

I can't believe that in high school I wanted to go to UMass Amherst, which is pretty much like Auschwitz, except they poison you with Natty Ice instead of Zyklon B.

That's the number one thing I dislike about my school: the breed of person that frequents it. It's the best state school in New York, and in an EXTREMELY middle class section of the state. This means that every person that graduates in the top 10% of their class applies to this school, because Ivys and the like ignore western new york for the most part.

This leads to nothing but preppy, narrow minded, semi intelligent douche bags that actually enjoy frat parties. I've met maybe three or four people I consider worth having conversations with, the rest are just cartoon characters to me.

[Morfin]

Don't get caught up in this feeling that you're a PoliSci major and have learned little to help you in real life. I will tell you that law school itself is no different. It is only once you get a basis of legal education and then either get involved in special extra-curricular activities, such as providing legal help for prisoners or the poor, or get a job, that you will get an actual "real life" experience.

I think virtually all education is like this -- expecially if you get a liberal arts degree as I did from a small school.

[Phil Theehor]

To those concerned about their Liberal Arts degree, don't sweat it. Yes, having a background in a hard science land you a higher salary and more defined path coming out, but ultimately it's your ability and drive that will determine what you get out of your career. While its true that kids from a better school (or with a sexier major) will get out of the gates faster, it's a general rule that five years after graduating the talented/hard-working Liberal Arts majors will catch up (although it helps if you can sell or manage, two skills that schools try to teach that are really more inate).

It may seem daunting, but it's not impossible. As he mentioned, Harlequin studied PolySci and today he trots the globe nailing supermodels. I have a history degree, and while I haven't pulled ridiculous ass, I've done well in business.

[Stax]

People who study polisci usually use it as a means to an end to get into law school. I took a class in my first quarter here called Law and Society, and it was very interesting to me. Hell, I could probably even major in polisci and stay fairly interested in what it was I was reading. But if for some reason I didn't end up going to law school, I'd much rather have an engineering degree under my belt. Not taking anything away from you though.

poli sci is a useless degree. i has it.

Exactly what I'm worried about. If I don't get into law school WTF would I do?

[Pox]

Are your grades bad enough that you might not get in to ANY law school?

Or are you just worried about getting into a good one?

[Phil Theehor]

Exactly what I'm worried about. If I don't get into law school WTF would I do?

Sales.

[Stax]

Are your grades bad enough that you might not get in to ANY law school?

Or are you just worried about getting into a good one?

Good one. 3.65 GPA far enough along that that's pretty much what it's going to be.

[Stax]

Sales.

Euch

[Penguin Rick]

Good one. 3.65 GPA far enough along that that's pretty much what it's going to be.

You can get into some very top good law schools if you get a good LSAT score.

I heard 3.4/172 was the cutoff this year for NYU law, and that's #5 in the country.

I wouldn't be worried about not getting into law school if I were you.

[Mustard]

If you're gonna go to law skool, why not just get a 4.0 GPA and score a 180 on your LSAT? I mean, wtf?

[hatepoppy]

Real men take GIS and computing!
[sh, id pone you at gis. and computing. if by computing i mean doin big tittied bitches in the mouth after the office xmas party.

[}{arlequin]

Good one. 3.65 GPA far enough along that that's pretty much what it's going to be.
just like undergrad, there isn't THAT much difference between a good lawschool (brand name) and a 'regular' one. as it's been mentioned, you may not start out as big, job/paycheck wise as a person from yale, but w/in 3 years it won't make any difference. the old boy network may be a little more established at the fancy schools, but in the end, they all have that.

if you pick up an internship (slave labor) at a lawfirm while in school, that will completely eliminate the advantage of a brand name school. unless daddy's lawfirm is hiring automatically upon graduation, you'll be the one w/ the advantage over the other guys.

[Stax]

just like undergrad, there isn't THAT much difference between a good lawschool (brand name) and a 'regular' one. as it's been mentioned, you may not start out as big, job/paycheck wise as a person from yale, but w/in 3 years it won't make any difference. the old boy network may be a little more established at the fancy schools, but in the end, they all have that.

if you pick up an internship (slave labor) at a lawfirm while in school, that will completely eliminate the advantage of a brand name school. unless daddy's lawfirm is hiring automatically upon graduation, you'll be the one w/ the advantage over the other guys.

Oh, I'm not expecting/looking for a Yale/Harvard style premium name great school, I just don't want to go the route of my friend (who got a crap LSAT score) who didn't get in anywhere and now is going to Quinnipiac looking to transfer after a semester.

You can get into some very top good law schools if you get a good LSAT score.

I heard 3.4/172 was the cutoff this year for NYU law, and that's #5 in the country.

I wouldn't be worried about not getting into law school if I were you.

172 is a pretty fucking nice LSAT score though, and I've got no idea how I'll do on that.

[Archangel]

To those concerned about their Liberal Arts degree, don't sweat it. Yes, having a background in a hard science land you a higher salary and more defined path coming out, but ultimately it's your ability and drive that will determine what you get out of your career. While its true that kids from a better school (or with a sexier major) will get out of the gates faster, it's a general rule that five years after graduating the talented/hard-working Liberal Arts majors will catch up (although it helps if you can sell or manage, two skills that schools try to teach that are really more inate).

It may seem daunting, but it's not impossible. As he mentioned, Harlequin studied PolySci and today he trots the globe nailing supermodels. I have a history degree, and while I haven't pulled ridiculous ass, I've done well in business.

So basically, I be fucked.

[Phil Theehor]

So basically, I be fucked.

Hardly. I speak only to business. Your career lies in academia, yes?

[Archangel]

Hardly. I speak only to business. Your career lies in academia, yes?

Yeah, but you need that "hard work" and "drive" shit there, as well.

Which I find myself sorely lacking in.

[Hannibal Lecter]

Yeah, but you need that "hard work" and "drive" shit there, as well.

Which I find myself sorely lacking in.
You could go the political route and try administration. They don't do shit.

[Archangel]

Too old for that.

[Hannibal Lecter]

wtf? are you 80?

[Pox]

Just show them all the philosophy essays that you've dumped on us over the years.

[Morfin]

wtf? are you 80?

Hello, did someone call me?


Yeah, but you need that "hard work" and "drive" shit there, as well.

Which I find myself sorely lacking in.

Arch, I don't what the problem is. You've got 12,000 posts here (since August) and almost a half-billion in rep. That's gotta really help you get a prestigious academic job and, if you get the posts up over 25,000, hey, we're talkin' tenure, my sauerkraut-cologned friend.

[Archangel]

wtf? are you 80?
30. And it's impossible to get a government job here if you're a day over 29.
Just show them all the philosophy essays that you've dumped on us over the years.
*cries*

[}{arlequin]

30. And it's impossible to get a government job here if you're a day over 29.
that's strange. any real reason behind this?

[Morfin]

Lawsuit? Age Discrimination lawsuit? I smell money. Arch, here's my card.

[medlar]

I'm putting so much thought into this for the past two years now. I still can't get my head around where Im going. What I plan to do now, might not be what I want to do in a few years down the road. I like to learn and I'd like to further my education, I'm looking into math and computer skills, and I've earned the grades to get me placement, but what if college isn't for me, I'd have to think about the real reasons for going into college or university. Having different options to think about and to consider if the outcome is going to be worth the cost and time. Then Im thinking I need time after high school to amass money. I am going back to Ireland this summer for five weeks and Im paying half my way and expenses so thats going to take a big chunk out of my current finances. I might opt to continue working as I have been for the past year with the landscaping and the money is getting good or find an alternative source of training. Im thinking on culinary school as well. Night courses could be an alternative.

So, I'm not going to overlook trade industries offered in vocational and tech schools. Im thinking on welding. It seems to run in the family, my grandad works on the Belfast shipyards, my uncle here is a welder in ship repairs. So I get my certificate and some qualifications, apprenticeship, job placement/experience/ lucrative work, then journeyman, foreman, supervisor. The last two, the recession needs to be done and over. Or better, I was given the idea of underwater welding. I think I'm just more hands on then to be in any classroom or office job.



ah shit, maybe I take this route. Finish school > rent house @ buddie > workfulltime > party away wages > sell weed > chill > sit at computer 23/7

[Archangel]

that's strange. any real reason behind this?

Yeah, you're supposed to do some actual work before qualifying for a pension.

[}{arlequin]

you'd think that merit should be the larger part of the hiring decision as opposed to whether you deserve a pension or not

[Archangel]

Then you do not understand German bureaucracy. Let's not forget that civil servants cannot be fired here.

[Kerjack]

Then you do not understand German bureaucracy. Let's not forget that civil servants cannot be fired here.

So THATS what happened with Hitler. Shit, Germans are slow learners.

[Archangel]

So THATS what happened with Hitler. Shit, Germans are slow learners.

I wasn't aware that Adolf Hitler was German.

[NOTKyle]

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[Penguin Rick]

http://lawschoolcalculator.com/

This shit is pretty cool. If you put in a LSAT and a GPA, you will get the probability of admission to around 200 law schools.

I don't know how accurate it is, but it seems pretty legit.

[Phil Theehor]

Then you do not understand German bureaucracy. Let's not forget that civil servants cannot be fired here.

This concerns me. If they cannot be fired, what the civil servant's motivation to show up every day and serve the public?

[Archangel]

This concerns me. If they cannot be fired, what the civil servant's motivation to show up every day and serve the public?

Obedience and sense of duty, obviously.


Come on, this is Germany we're talking about here.

[CTricksterGirl]

I dunno, in the current recession we are in, I can't really say I put a value on my education. 10 years ago if I came out of my college, with the 2 Bachelors I have now that I did in the regular 4 year university setting with my GPA, I figured I'd be a huge assett, now I can't even imagine trying to further my education any more because in the 2 years I have been out, I have seen just how shit it really means....

But to my best friend who is going for her doctorate in Astrophysics this September in Belfast, I support her, but man, she is going to be fucked I think...

Oh well, atleast I have a cool place to go visit now!

[}{arlequin]

college used to be what's necessary to get your career moving in the right direction... used to. now, it's just a higher level of highschool, a prep for graduate programs

[Stax]

http://lawschoolcalculator.com/

This shit is pretty cool. If you put in a LSAT and a GPA, you will get the probability of admission to around 200 law schools.

I don't know how accurate it is, but it seems pretty legit.

65.5% chance (putting in a reasonable 160 LSAT) at UConn.. I could handle that.

[TheSpotlightKid]

I'm putting so much thought into this for the past two years now. I still can't get my head around where Im going. What I plan to do now, might not be what I want to do in a few years down the road. I like to learn and I'd like to further my education, I'm looking into math and computer skills, and I've earned the grades to get me placement, but what if college isn't for me, I'd have to think about the real reasons for going into college or university. Having different options to think about and to consider if the outcome is going to be worth the cost and time. Then Im thinking I need time after high school to amass money. I am going back to Ireland this summer for five weeks and Im paying half my way and expenses so thats going to take a big chunk out of my current finances. I might opt to continue working as I have been for the past year with the landscaping and the money is getting good or find an alternative source of training. Im thinking on culinary school as well. Night courses could be an alternative.

So, I'm not going to overlook trade industries offered in vocational and tech schools. Im thinking on welding. It seems to run in the family, my grandad works on the Belfast shipyards, my uncle here is a welder in ship repairs. So I get my certificate and some qualifications, apprenticeship, job placement/experience/ lucrative work, then journeyman, foreman, supervisor. The last two, the recession needs to be done and over. Or better, I was given the idea of underwater welding. I think I'm just more hands on then to be in any classroom or office job.

ah shit, maybe I take this route. Finish school > rent house @ buddie > workfulltime > party away wages > sell weed > chill > sit at computer 23/7

If you don't think you'll be the college type, than by all means, don't go to college. I went because I didn't really think I had many other options. I found out quickly I am not the college type. I stopped going to classes and doing homework and started drinking and doing drugs on a regular basis. I've been out a little over a year now and am getting ready to go to a tech school to get my journeyman's in electrical technology.

Of course selling weed full time is a pretty lucrative job also. My roommate sells and he's in his final year of pharmacy school. He always talks about how he just wants to quit pharmacy and sell weed.

[Archangel]

If you don't think you'll be the college type, than by all means, don't go to college. I went because I didn't really think I had many other options. I found out quickly I am not the college type.

Yeah, your inability to tell "than" from "then" is a pretty good indicator that academia may not be your cuppa.

[TheSpotlightKid]

Hooray for grammar Nazi's. No, that wasn't a jab at your German heritage.

[Archangel]

Hooray for grammar Nazi's. No, that wasn't a jab at your German heritage.

Also, the difference between plurals and Saxon genitives. If a foreigner spoke my first (and presumably only) language better than myself, I'd have the good sense to be embarrassed.

[Phil Theehor]

Obedience and sense of duty, obviously.


Come on, this is Germany we're talking about here.

Does this work? I know you guys will wait for the walk/don't walk light to change before crossing an abondoned street, so I do understand German obedience. But do you get a fair level of service out of your civil servants? akin to the private sector?

[TheSpotlightKid]

Also, the difference between plurals and Saxon genitives. If a foreigner spoke my first (and presumably only) language better than myself, I'd have the good sense to be embarrassed.

Why would I be embarrassed? You're English teacher probably knew more about the language than my high school English teacher. Especially considering my teacher would let us roam the hallways instead of doing any actual work. Saxon genitives - two words I never remember reading in high school.

[Pharon]

You're English teacher probably knew more about the language than my high school English teacher.
*Your

[Archangel]

Does this work? I know you guys will wait for the walk/don't walk light to change before crossing an abondoned street, so I do understand German obedience. But do you get a fair level of service out of your civil servants? akin to the private sector?

Depends on what they do. I'm guessing senior ministry officials are likely to show a bit more diligence than your average rubber-stamp guy at city hall; but then, a very large part of our workforce is made up of public servants (eg teachers), and nobody has ever called Germany a country of lazy layabouts, have they?

[TheSpotlightKid]

*Your

Now I'm just getting sloppy. That's the one thing I actually remember from English class.

[Stax]

Depends on what they do. I'm guessing senior ministry officials are likely to show a bit more diligence than your average rubber-stamp guy at city hall; but then, a very large part of our workforce is made up of public servants (eg teachers), and nobody has ever called Germany a country of lazy layabouts, have they?

Because everyone knows what happens when you get a German (or Austrian) angry.

[Hannibal Lecter]

30. And it's impossible to get a government job here if you're a day over 29.

*cries*
Sorry, I forget where you are.

[The Dude]

Because everyone knows what happens when you get a German (or Austrian) angry.


The trains run on time?






*crickets*








too soon?

[Hannibal Lecter]

The trains run on time?






*crickets*








too soon?
I giggled.

[The Dude]

Also, the difference between plurals and Saxon genitives. If a foreigner spoke my first (and presumably only) language better than myself, I'd have the good sense to be embarrassed.

Why would I be embarrassed? You're English teacher probably knew more about the language than my high school English teacher. Especially considering my teacher would let us roam the hallways instead of doing any actual work. Saxon genitives - two words I never remember reading in high school.


I had surpassed the knowledge (in terms of mastery and application) of my english teachers by the time i was in 6th grade. By 7th grade, I was grading the work (midterms, papers, finals) of my own class.

[Stax]

The trains run on time?






*crickets*








too soon?

That's the Italians. Arch is a German/Asian with an Italian wife, right? He's really uniting the Third Reich allies.

[Morfin]

Of course selling weed full time is a pretty lucrative job also. My roommate sells and he's in his final year of pharmacy school. He always talks about how he just wants to quit pharmacy and sell weed.

Now wouldn't that be a good career choice? Sounds like Mr. Roommate is sampling a bit too much of the merchandise.

[Morfin]

I had surpassed the knowledge (in terms of mastery and application) of my english teachers by the time i was in 6th grade. By 7th grade, I was grading the work (midterms, papers, finals) of my own class.And now... GMF Administrator.

This is the stuff dreams are made of.

[TheSpotlightKid]

My dick knowledge had surpassed the knowledge (in terms of mastery and application) of my english teachers by the time i was in 6th grade. By 7th grade, I was dicking the pussies (tight, bald, wet) of my own class.

Dicking the pussies...i like how that sounds.

[TheSpotlightKid]

Now wouldn't that be a good career choice? Sounds like Mr. Roommate is sampling a bit too much of the merchandise.

Yeah, he talks about it seriously too. But he's not stupid enough to actually do it. I think he wants to graduate, move to Cali, and try to start growing his own stuff. I doubt that'll happen though.

[BIG PIZZLE]

You are obviously too cool for the internet.

[TheSpotlightKid]

You are obviously too cool for the internet.

But still not cool enough irl.

[Stax]

My dick knowledge had surpassed the knowledge (in terms of mastery and application) of my english teachers by the time i was in 6th grade. By 7th grade, I was dicking the pussies (tight, bald, wet) of my own class.

Dicking the pussies...i like how that sounds.

WTF?

[jemeske]

He's saying he knows a lot about dicks.

[Limp]

Negging spotlight kid makes me feel more smartest then you all.

[Limp]

ANNNNNNND we have red.

[TheSpotlightKid]

That's a lot of neg's.

[Limp]

LOL! You think 8 is a lot? I should do the other 98 posts...

[TheSpotlightKid]

It feels good to be able to evoke such an emotional outburst. Saying my mom is a blood mountain, though? That's just weird.

[Kerjack]

I wasn't aware that Adolf Hitler was German.

POINT PROVED! (Did I say he was?)

[Hoser]

So my convocation started 45 minutes ago, guess I'm not going.

[Hannibal Lecter]

So my convocation started 45 minutes ago, guess I'm not going.
I don't believe in witchcraft.

[The Dude]

"walking" is for parents anyway

[mongo]

i did not walk. i went to the bar instead.

[ElemenoP]

I walked. Only because my parents made me.

[hatepoppy]

i stumbled.

[STDSkillz]

What the fuck is a convocation and why haven't I ever been to one?

[The Dude]

Have you graduated from college?

[WET HOT MESS]

different schools use different names. it's kinda retardedish.

[STDSkillz]

Have you graduated from college?
Yes. Is it the graduation ceremony?

[Hoser]

Convocation = graduation

[Will-Kill]

Is Nursing School Higher Edgejamacation?

[Gary_Busey]

What exactly constitutes 'higher education'? Anything after high school? After an Associates? After a Bachelors?

[STDSkillz]

I always assumed it was anything after high school.

[Hoser]

I would say after highschool.

[Penguin Rick]

Yea, I figured anything after high school as well.