So what is God/Jesus up to now?

[Trident]

I'm not particularly religious - if asked I'd say Church of England but my attendance is somewhat irregular (in that it's normally only for weddings, christenings, deaths and Christmas). One of my good friends is a stronger Christian and I was chatting to her the other day and I got on to the question: 'well, if God exists why hasn't he made another large-scale appearance since his last excursion over 2000 years ago'. Surely if God exists then he'd make us 100% aware of it.

So anyway, I understand the theory that life is a test and those who live by the ethics and guidelines as set in religious texts then we will be rewarded in the next life, but my friend came up with a theory that got me thinking.

Looking at pictures like the Hubble Ultra Deep Field, it brings it home that the sheer scale of the Universe is breathtaking. The hundreds of billions of galaxies, the trillions of stars that are out there and the zillions of planets that must exist must also harbour intelligent life. So, she said that they visited Earth - created the faith system we now have, and are relentlessly visiting other planets spreading the word of religion. Can we really accept that God only has Earth as the single physical source of his power?

I quite liked her theory; it made sense to me (kinda): God is a travelling evangelical throughout the Universe converting previously religion-free worlds to his way of thinking.

I know this is probably a bit random and deletion-worthy - but I be interested to know what others think before Arch deletes it.

[Quantum Leap]

I suppose that's as plausible as the concept of an all powerful invisible man living in the sky.

[}{arlequin]

i'm rather fond of eddie izzard's bit on god, dinosaurs, and chaos

[UNC]

This is stupid

[Trident]

So is your face. I declare war on you.

[UNC]

4 out of 5 dentists can whip your ass

[}{arlequin]

i'm rather fond of eddie izzard's bit on god, dinosaurs, and chaos
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[Archangel]

I suppose that's as plausible as the concept of an all powerful invisible man living in the sky.

And who, pray tell, believes that crap?


Oh, Americans.

[Pax Britannia]

God is rethinking his ten commandments because hell is bursting at the seems and heaven is all but empty.

[UNC]

And what religion, pray tell, believes that crap?


Oh, Americans.

*southerners

[Archangel]

*southerners

*troof

[wonderllama]

Perhaps God has been carrying out a universal weaning program to unsuckle mankind from his teat for the last 2000 years?

Letting us learn to fend for ourselves without the constant interruption from him/her and his/her messengers. It's a long road, many find comfort in thinking he's just in the next room expressing some millk, but the reality is (and this may go with your friend and her theory), he may have actually left the building to go nurse another planet worth of children.

[Archangel]

I should try and post a serious reply to the original post.



But I shan't.

[Pax Britannia]

I should try and post a serious reply to the original post.



But I shan't.

Lazy boche.

[Trident]

Guys, stop fucking around - get philosophising my philosophical question or I may never start a thread in this section again.

Sorry, that was a horrible threat which I may never carry out.

[UNC]

Jesus is doing the walking on water trick in a galaxy far away.

It's a universal tour.

[Archangel]

Ah, fuck it.

[...]When the child must be weaned, the mother blackens her breast, it would indeed be a shame that the breast should look delicious when the child must not have it. So the child believes that the breast has changed, but the mother is the same, her glance is as loving and tender as ever. Happy the person who had no need of more dreadful expedients for weaning the child!

[...]

When the child has grown big and must be weaned, the mother virginally hides her breast, so the child has no more a mother. Happy the child which did not in another way lose its mother.

[...]

When the child must be weaned, the mother too is not without sorrow at the thought that she and the child are separated more and more, that the child which first lay under her heart and later reposed upon her breast will be so near to her no more. So they mourn together for the brief period of mourning. Happy the person who has kept the child as near and needed not to sorrow any more!

[...]

When the child must be weaned, the mother has stronger food in readiness, lest the child should perish. Happy the person who has stronger food in readiness!

[UNC]

Wasn't that dude quoted in Waynes World?

[Pax Britannia]

Ah, fuck it.

So God raised us and how he doesnt want to have anymore to do with us.

Nice. I guess we can tear the churches down now. Though I'll always thank him for the basics of civilisation.

[Archangel]

Wasn't that dude quoted in Waynes World?
No, but in the Matrix flicks. (http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?t=14857)
So God raised us and how he doesnt want to have anymore to do with us.

Nice. I guess we can tear the churches down now. Though I'll always thank him for the basics of civilisation.
Watchmaker hypothesis, I believe it's called.

And letting go of your children doesn't mean that you stop loving them, does it?

[Trident]

So where is he now, sat at home with his jigsaws or busy working in other galaxies to spread the good word? I need closure.

[Pax Britannia]

And letting go of your children doesn't mean that you stop loving them, does it?

I'm not judging Gods parenting skills (never thought i'd say that) but the Church has us believe he's all consumed with us and what we're doing on a daily basis. Yet this theory would suggest he was very active in our early development then satisfied at what he saw progressing took a back seat and left us alone.

If thats true why bother asking or praying for guidance at all? It's not like God is going to help, he's simply an observer now.

[UNC]

Was it Kierkegaard or Dick Van Patten who said, "If you label me, you negate me? ...

[wonderllama]

He's on an intergalactic road trip....
Presumably about 2000 light years from here (ignoring stops along the way)...

[STDSkillz]

He's on an intergalactic road trip....
Presumably about 2000 light years from here (ignoring stops along the way)...

Are you suggesting that God cannot transcend the speed of light?

[wonderllama]

Hey, one assumes he wrote the laws of Physics, it'd be a shame for him to lie to us....

[Archetype]

Hey, one assumes he wrote the laws of Physics, it'd be a shame for him to lie to us....
Laws were made to be broken.



*pew pew, pew pew*

[PhilipChocolate]

I say that we can't believe he is a single entity. I'm getting this from my favorite books (the dresden files, check 'em out) because it stated it so well: maybe God existes in everying all at once. he isn't "here" because like stated before, we need to get off our asses and do things ourselves......that being said....I don't that its going to happen...If i was god i soooo would given up on the whole "humans" concept, wouldn't you?

[Archangel]

I'm getting this from my favorite books (the dresden files, check 'em out) because it stated it so well: maybe God existes in everying all at once.

In a thread in which people quote Kierkegaard, this genius tells us to "check out" some mystery novels...

[UNC]

Dean Koontz ftmfw!

[Trident]

You aint so hot, Chocolate.

[Yelram]

In a thread in which people quote Kierkegaard, this genius tells us to "check out" some mystery novels...

Dude, you only quoted his entirely irrelevant quote to boost your own fucking ego. This kid quotes a totally relevant statement from the here and now, you know, now that we know what atoms are, and what matter consists of. Kierkegaard may seem relevant to you, but I dont see god "weaning" us off of himself. I see religion trying to steal the concept of faith to produce money, and people are finally getting sick of it. Thats not weaning off, thats like Jesus gave birth to this beautiful thing, and while he was at the mall, some Roman douchebag stole it from the stroller, and took it on a whirlwind tour of europe, conquering ad subjugating the masses. And now the masses are to the point where they are saying "hey didnt Jesus say love one another?"

Either way, I do believe all religion is the result of higher intelligence being interacting with humans, and trying to teach them, but the retarded humans took universally applicable concepts, and turned them into a two dimensional concept, not unlike government. I believe that the term "Heaven" means the sky, and not some immaterial world that we will be whisked away to if we do "good" things. I believe human beings are the result of the interbreeding of these beings with earth hominids. And I believe there was a time when the "gods" walked the earth, and handed down important knowledge to man.

I think its humorous that this new guy gives reasoning, and support for his statements, and Arch slaps a totally useless quote out there, and somehow fears superior? Absolute nonsense.

[Archangel]

Yes. Very well. We do have a comic book discussion thread which is rather distinct from the Philo section.

If you think that thoughts which are older than 150 years shouldn't be discussed (how deliciously American of you), then stay the fuck out, okay? We shall discuss insignificant old farts like Plato, and you can quote Dice Clay or whoever your recent significant American philosopher is.

[Morfin]

If you think that thoughts which are older than 150 years shouldn't be discussed (how deliciously American of you), then stay the fuck out, okay? We shall discuss insignificant old farts like Plato, and you can quote Dice Clay or whoever your recent significant American philosopher is.

Oh, you just had to throw that one in there, didn't ya? Eurofag. Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler

[Archangel]

I love you too, granddad.


Also, I didn't take exception to his choice of literature per se; but his "dude, if you haven't heard of it, check it out" rubbish is a bit hard to swallow.

[Morfin]

I love you too, granddad.

Not a granddad yet. But then again, my son is 12, so it's time for him to go and make himself a baby. But that's another thread.

[Yelram]

Yes. Very well. We do have a comic book discussion thread which is rather distinct from the Philo section.

If you think that thoughts which are older than 150 years shouldn't be discussed (how deliciously American of you), then stay the fuck out, okay? We shall discuss insignificant old farts like Plato, and you can quote Dice Clay or whoever your recent significant American philosopher is.

The new paradigms eclipse the old ones. YOU are the fundamentalist. And you didnt discuss it, you posted it, with absolutely no explanation for why you chose it. You're just a snob, get over yourself, and maybe you'll understand the whole point of philosophy. The idea that someone hundreds of years ago was able to understand, and explain OUR world, and why things are how they are better than an intellectual nowadays is ridiculous.

[Morfin]

So what is God/Jesus up to now? I just took this photo of God and Jesus after looking over the state of the world:

http://www.meikathon.net/roflmao/facepalm4.jpg

(And no, Star Trek losers, I am not calling Picard God and I am not weighing in on whether Picard is better than Kirk. Get a life.)

[Phil Theehor]

The new paradigms eclipse the old ones. YOU are the fundamentalist. And you didnt discuss it, you posted it, with absolutely no explanation for why you chose it. You're just a snob, get over yourself, and maybe you'll understand the whole point of philosophy. The idea that someone hundreds of years ago was able to understand, and explain OUR world, and why things are how they are better than an intellectual nowadays is ridiculous.


You need to chill, boss. Nobody's is going to argue that Arch is a snob (not even Arch, he wears that title proudly).

But calling classical philosophy irrelevant is retarded. I won't go through the classics one by one and point out how the overriding principles can still be applied, because frankly, that would be a lot of work.

But let me mention this: The country in which you live was created in pursuit of the ideals set forth by a philosopher from the 1600's. The very concept of consent of the ruled came from him. That philosopher was heavily influenced by Plato & Aristotle (and through them, Socrates). In fact, take whatever pop philosopher you would read today. He has certainly read Locke, Aquinas, Rousseau etc, etc, and has integrated their ideas into his.

Let me put this another way: Say you live in a penthouse. You love that penthouse and its the only part of the building you care about. But does that make the 22 floors underneath it irrelevant?

[Yelram]

You need to chill, boss. Nobody's is going to argue that Arch is a snob (not even Arch, he wears that title proudly).

But calling classical philosophy irrelevant is retarded. I won't go through the classics one by one and point out how the overriding principles can still be applied, because frankly, that would be a lot of work.

But let me mention this: The country in which you live was created in pursuit of the ideals set forth by a philosopher from the 1600's. The very concept of consent of the ruled came from him. That philosopher was heavily influenced by Plato & Aristotle (and through them, Socrates). In fact, take whatever pop philosopher you would read today. He has certainly read Locke, Aquinas, Rousseau etc, etc, and has integrated their ideas into his.

Let me put this another way: Say you live in a penthouse. You love that penthouse and its the only part of the building you care about. But does that make the 22 floors underneath it irrelevant?

Certain principles can be applied, but assuming that some shmuck "created" them because he was the first one to appear in western thought is totally inaccurate. Crediting these people with thoughts that are not only common, but inevitable for a living creature to ponder at some point in their existence, is pure ancestor worship. You are telling me that if those people didnt exist, these philosophical renderings would have never been written down? Silly horseshit. Many of those philosophers you listed used catholic doctrine as a basis for their philosophy. If you start out with wrong assumptions, it doesnt matter how brilliant you are, you are going to end with wrong assumptions. If you'd like to argue a point that one of these "brilliant" men "created" please mention it, and i'll show you where it existed in history prior to it being written down. Its one thing when you are talking about quantifiable certainties. If you were crediting Newton for detailing the actions of gravity, i'd somewhat agree (then I'd counter with several principles of quantum Mechanics that prove many of his assertions wrong).

Plus I wasnt calling it ALL irrelevant, just saying that an irrelevant quote by some century and a half old philosopher, does not somehow hold more weight than a relevant quote from the 1990s.

[Morfin]

Interesting that Newton's name is brought up. Here are two quotes from him, the first from his notes, the second from a letter that he wrote:

Plato is my friend — Aristotle is my friend — but my greatest friend is truth.

If I have seen further it is only by standing on the shoulders of Giants.

[Archangel]

That's not Newton, that's an Oasis record.

[Morfin]

Six of one...

[Yelram]

Interesting that Newton's name is brought up. Here are two quotes from him, the first from his notes, the second from a letter that he wrote:

Science seems to have a building effect, whereas philosophy oftentimes does not. One different POV in your initial conditions, and "I think, therefore I am" becomes totally incorrect.

[Archangel]

Six of one...

I prefer Seven of Nine.

[Yelram]

I prefer Seven of Nine.

If only six was nine.

[Da Raider]

I'm not particularly religious - if asked I'd say Church of England but my attendance is somewhat irregular (in that it's normally only for weddings, christenings, deaths and Christmas). One of my good friends is a stronger Christian and I was chatting to her the other day and I got on to the question: 'well, if God exists why hasn't he made another large-scale appearance since his last excursion over 2000 years ago'. Surely if God exists then he'd make us 100% aware of it.


If there is a God and he is infinite, two thousand years is merely a blink of an eye. Of course, 2012 is just around the corner...

[Trident]

Ahh, maybe he's a time traveller as well. My word, this is getting into some deepthroat theology.

[Phil Theehor]

Certain principles can be applied, but assuming that some shmuck "created" them because he was the first one to appear in western thought is totally inaccurate. Crediting these people with thoughts that are not only common, but inevitable for a living creature to ponder at some point in their existence, is pure ancestor worship.

It's funny hearing such an argument against intellectual property from a supposed capitalist.

If you'd like to argue a point that one of these "brilliant" men "created" please mention it, and i'll show you where it existed in history prior to it being written down.

Unfortunately, I have to run, so I'll give you just the one I mentioned in my earlier post:

John Locke: social contract. Show me where "consent of the governed" was deemed necessary to support the legitimacy of a government prior to his developent of the idea.

That's what made the American Revolution (and others of the period) actually "revolutionary". We were incorporating ideas from Locke, et al, that had never been applied. To your point, I am sure someone, somewhere in a cave said to another "fuck you, you're not the boss of me." But nobody ever developed the idea to the point that a nation was built on the principle.

[PhilipChocolate]

In a thread in which people quote Kierkegaard, this genius tells us to "check out" some mystery novels...
Look, I was just using a point of view from a book I liked. I'm not a genius, I'm fucking 17 years old. I'm just getting into this state of mind with this philosphy stuff. so pray forgive me for not bowing down to your mighty internet penis. You have years of experince, old man, why don't you tell me something useful instead of mention some shit that hasn't even come up in my life yet. Putting that aside, I know i suck now, but i want to improve so i can not fuck up your threads. I'm doing this for the experince.

[Trident]

FUCK YOU.

30 is not old you cheeky little whippersnapper. Go back to sucking your dad's dick.

/early mid-life crisis rant.

[Archangel]

Look, I was just using a point of view from a book I liked. I'm not a genius, I'm fucking 17 years old. I'm just getting into this state of mind with this philosphy stuff. so pray forgive me for not bowing down to your mighty internet penis. You have years of experince, old man, why don't you tell me something useful instead of mention some shit that hasn't even come up in my life yet. Putting that aside, I know i suck now, but i want to improve so i can not fuck up your threads. I'm doing this for the experince.

That's the spirit.

[PhilipChocolate]

FUCK YOU.

30 is not old you cheeky little whippersnapper. Go back to sucking your dad's dick.

/early mid-life crisis rant.


*sob* why bring up the tragic/horrible memories of my childhood?
30 is old you cranky bastard

[Archangel]

I'm 30.

Watch your mouth.

[PhilipChocolate]

Er...sorry, sir? Should we be getting back on topic?

[Archangel]

Divinity is the apotheosis of a society's values. If you hold love and charity in high regard, you believe in Jesus. If you are all about devotion and service, you believe in Allah and His Prophet, Muhammad. If you believe in serenity and compassion, you believe in Buddha.

Judging by that, right now God is a cross between Paris Hilton and Ben Roethlisberger.

[PhilipChocolate]

Judging by that, right now God is a cross between Paris Hilton and Ben Roethlisberger.
Paris Hilton playing football...the horror!

[Archetype]

Ahh, maybe he's a time traveller as well. My word, this is getting into some deepthroat theology.
Balls deep?
Look, I was just using a point of view from a book I liked. I'm not a genius, I'm fucking 17 years old. I'm just getting into this state of mind with this philosphy stuff. so pray forgive me for not bowing down to your mighty internet penis. You have years of experince, old man, why don't you tell me something useful instead of mention some shit that hasn't even come up in my life yet.

Dude, shut up.

[PhilipChocolate]

Dude, shut up.[/quote]

Ah...shut doesn't go up, but my middle finger does! hah..hah..hah..

[Satan]

God sits up in heaven playing games of soggy biscuit (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=soggy+biscuit) with the Easter Bunny and Santa.

[Archetype]

Dude, shut up.

Ah...shut doesn't go up, but my middle finger does! hah..hah..hah..
Your bottom jaw lifts up, and you lift your keys off the keyboard, so yeah, shut does go up, smartass.

[}{arlequin]

*fingers

[Pax Britannia]

FUCK YOU.

30 is not old you cheeky little whippersnapper. Go back to sucking your dad's dick.

/early mid-life crisis rant.

Alright calm down granddad. Dont bust a hip.

[PhilipChocolate]

God sits up in heaven playing games of soggy biscuit (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=soggy+biscuit) with the Easter Bunny and Santa.
What about Buddha? Don't forget our chubby friend Buddha!...and Cupid, that semi-naked bastard..How old is that cherub?

[Archetype]

What about Buddha? Don't forget our chubby friend Buddha!...and Cupid, that semi-naked bastard..How old is that cherub?

Cupid isn't a cherub, he's a putto, and Buddha was a real person.

[scraty55]

I am stupider for reading this thread

god is preparing for a giant welcome party at the pearly gates when the world ends in 2012

[Archetype]

I am stupider for reading this thread

god is preparing for a giant welcome party at the pearly gates when the world ends in 2012
What a coincidence, I'm 10 points stupider every time I read your posts. You're like alcohol without the sweet taste, the relaxation or the decreased inhibitions, or the muse-like qualities. I need a drink.

[PhilipChocolate]

What a coincidence, I'm 10 points stupider every time I read your posts. You're like alcohol without the sweet taste, the relaxation or the decreased inhibitions, or the muse-like qualities. I need a drink.
If he is like alcohol, without the sweet taste, the relaxation or the decreased inhibitions, or the muse-like qualities, how is he like alcohol?
He is just stupid, isn't he?

[Archetype]

He kills brain cells, was what I was going for.

[PhilipChocolate]

He kills brain cells, was what I was going for.
Oh, very well, I sit corrected.

[Archetype]

Also, liver damage.

[Archetype]

And vasoconstriction.

[mongo]

right now god is busy being a grad student at the university of washington. he is enrolled in the organic chemistry phd program. he hates his roommate, has very little social life, and loves beer. he will probably remain a grumpy douche bag until baseball season starts up again.

[Archetype]

Well God eats meat so that can't be you.

[PhilipChocolate]

I say that God slept on the 7th day, and never woke up. All he has said to us was just sleep talk that the angels misunderstood. I also say God is chick, there is no way a guy would get the Earth made in 7 days, he would just say "well techincally I haven't made tommorow...so i'll get to the whole 'land' thing later", or something of that sort.

[Phil Theehor]

If you'd like to argue a point that one of these "brilliant" men "created" please mention it, and i'll show you where it existed in history prior to it being written down.


Unfortunately, I have to run, so I'll give you just the one I mentioned in my earlier post:

John Locke: social contract. Show me where "consent of the governed" was deemed necessary to support the legitimacy of a government prior to his developent of the idea.

That's what made the American Revolution (and others of the period) actually "revolutionary". We were incorporating ideas from Locke, et al, that had never been applied. To your point, I am sure someone, somewhere in a cave said to another "fuck you, you're not the boss of me." But nobody ever developed the idea to the point that a nation was built on the principle.


Been a couple days. Still waiting for an example.

[taters]

Jesus died trying to show the world an idea, an Idea that we should treat others as part of ourselves.

In doing so, his message was perverted by men who could no understand h is message, and organized his following into a blind political cult, and methodically erased via threat of death or heresy every aspect of the actual teachings the man espoused.


Whats he doing now? Who knows. What would he do now if he returned to see the future? He would likely be mocked, ridiculed and murdered by the very people who claim to work in his name.

[Yelram]

Been a couple days. Still waiting for an example.

Its pretty primal logic, Tribal entities were often determined by the will of the people long before massive government/religious constructs robbed the people of representation. John Locke was merely a man expressing how such an obvious system would work on a larger level. He did not create anything, he merely pointed out the obvious. People are happier when they think they're in charge. Another situation that may have prevented the ideal "consent of the governed" situation earlier in history is the lack of properly educated electorate. If the peasants were not included, they did not give consent, but being uneducated, their pledge of consent may have been counterproductive to the goals of the nation, or even their own personal goals.

[taters]

The 'primal idea' that humans are essentially animals (IMO) falls short, because of the fact we can comprehend ideals other than 'natural genetic superiority/suitability for area). Not all of Humanity, but some of humanity appears to see beyond the visual/audial/physical ideals of us being hairless apes united by varying degrees of difference.

Then again I am hammered saying much more than I otherwise would.

[vicar in a tutu]

I think Jesus is listening to Waterloo Sunset by The Kinks and smiling, thinking that his work here is done?

It's like the great Bill Hicks gag..Christians around the world wear crosses around their necks, do you think if Jesus came back he'd want to see a fucking cross? When we start wearing fishes around our necks and listening to Waterloo Sunset he might come back again?

[Archetype]

Bill Hicks is a hack.

[Morfin]

*was

[Intoxicated]

From the formerly religious part of me...

Growing up I was taught that Earth is home to the most wicked of all God's creations. (That is you and me dickhead) I was told that there are 'as many worlds as there are grains of sand upon the beach'.

So assuming there is a Jesus, he is bound to be somewhere with less ass-hats. Probably enjoying the power that comes with being the son of God.

He's left us all to rot in our own shit, and rightfully so.

[dnegreiro]

I'm not particularly religious - if asked I'd say Church of England but my attendance is somewhat irregular (in that it's normally only for weddings, christenings, deaths and Christmas). One of my good friends is a stronger Christian and I was chatting to her the other day and I got on to the question: 'well, if God exists why hasn't he made another large-scale appearance since his last excursion over 2000 years ago'. Surely if God exists then he'd make us 100% aware of it.

So anyway, I understand the theory that life is a test and those who live by the ethics and guidelines as set in religious texts then we will be rewarded in the next life, but my friend came up with a theory that got me thinking.

Looking at pictures like the Hubble Ultra Deep Field, it brings it home that the sheer scale of the Universe is breathtaking. The hundreds of billions of galaxies, the trillions of stars that are out there and the zillions of planets that must exist must also harbour intelligent life. So, she said that they visited Earth - created the faith system we now have, and are relentlessly visiting other planets spreading the word of religion. Can we really accept that God only has Earth as the single physical source of his power?

I quite liked her theory; it made sense to me (kinda): God is a travelling evangelical throughout the Universe converting previously religion-free worlds to his way of thinking.

I know this is probably a bit random and deletion-worthy - but I be interested to know what others think before Arch deletes it.


i guess i'm not sure i buy the, "surely if he exists he'd make us 100% aware of it. dunno, doesn't seem like his style. also i'm not sure about harboring intelligent life here on earth much less other planets. jk. but i see you train of thought.

[Mustard]

Sweet bump!

[Archangel]

"God is dead"

-Fritz Nietzsche


"Nietzsche is dead"

-God

[Mustard]

So what is God/Jesus up to now?

I have no fucking clue.

Now, I'm pretty sure Jesus died awhile back, so he's probably not up to much these days, and since God won't return any of my calls, my tabs on the Almighty have gone cold.

[Pax Britannia]

I saw God down the pub last week. I said "hey God! What are you up to now? Me and the others at GMF are kinda curious" and he said "Not much really you know, my job seems to be in danger due to falling church attendance and smiting people just isnt as fun as it used to be 2000 years go" I said "Fair do's, another pint?" and he said "why the fuck not".

[Mustard]

Thats badass. If you happen on him again, tell him to return my calls once in a fucking blue moon.

[Pax Britannia]

Will do. He's one of those dudes who carries his mobile phone everywhere with him but it's seldom switched on. What a character.

[NoGravitas]

I reckon hes just sitting back and waiting to see who throws the first stone. And by "throw" i mean launch and by "stone" i mean nuke.

[Morfin]

"God is dead"

-Fritz Nietzsche


"Nietzsche is dead"

-God


Elvis Lives.

[dnegreiro]

I like to imagine that God if not now, would at least some day play gin rummy

[FarEastFornicator]

I thought every century was like a millisecond for God.

[dnegreiro]

yeah... it was just imagery not really goin for accuracy. it was more of the peaceful emotion. like you know. cards and rum near the sea. sounds like peace to me.

[wonderllama]

I saw God down the pub last week. I said "hey God! What are you up to now? Me and the others at GMF are kinda curious" and he said "Not much really you know, my job seems to be in danger due to falling church attendance and smiting people just isnt as fun as it used to be 2000 years go" I said "Fair do's, another pint?" and he said "why the fuck not".


No wonder he's not doing much, he's down the frickin Pub with Pax clearly on a bender...a permanent bender too I bet!

[Mustard]

God really needs to get off his ass and pay some fucking attention to this shit heap he allegedly created.

[wonderllama]

Okay, I nearly spat my water out at your name change ya bast!

You reckon this bar that God is at has happy hour, and that given the timeline mentioned earlier (1000 years = a millisecond or whatever), that God's bender is right smack bang in the middle of this happy hour? 2 for the price of 1 etc?

[dnegreiro]

or is it last call at this bar and is he downing a few extra cosmic cocktails? wait would there even be a last call?

[Shenanigans]

As I see it, God, Jesus and the holy ghost are sitting around an ice cold keg passing the hookah while laughing their asses off at our inability to deal with out own problems.

[Archetype]

God really needs to get off his ass and pay some fucking attention to this shit heap he allegedly created.
God is that shit heap.
I thought every century was like a millisecond for God.

God is beyond time.

[nothingman]

i read this and it makes sense to me. it's odd when people talk about "spiritual" things they rarely want to use the bible, and with my buddies someone can drunkenly ramble all night about Jesus but if someone picks up the actual bible they get burned at the stake. (that last comment was figurative for you concerned noobs.)

The Bible clearly states: “The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” (1 John 5:19) When you think about it, does that not make sense? This world reflects the personality of the invisible spirit creature who is “misleading the entire inhabited earth.” (Revelation 12:9) Satan is hateful, deceptive, and cruel. So the world, under his influence, is full of hatred, deceit, and cruelty. That is one reason why there is so much suffering.
Let us consider an illustration. Imagine that a teacher is telling his students how to solve a difficult problem. A clever but rebellious student claims that the teacher’s way of solving the problem is wrong. Implying that the teacher is not capable, this rebel insists that he knows a much better way to solve the problem. Some students think that he is right, and they also become rebellious. What should the teacher do? If he throws the rebels out of the class, what will be the effect on the other students? Will they not believe that their fellow student and those who joined him are right? All the other students in the class might lose respect for the teacher, thinking that he is afraid of being proved wrong. But suppose that the teacher allows the rebel to show the class how he would solve the problem.
The teacher in our illustration knows that the rebel and the students on his side are wrong. But he also knows that allowing them the opportunity to try to prove their point will benefit the whole class. When the rebels fail, all honest students will see that the teacher is the only one qualified to lead the class. They will understand why the teacher thereafter removes any rebels from the class. Similarly, Jehovah knows that all honesthearted humans and angels will benefit from seeing that Satan and his fellow rebels have failed and that humans cannot govern themselves. Like Jeremiah of old, they will learn this vital truth: “I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.”—Jeremiah 10:23.

[dnegreiro]

i read this and it makes sense to me. it's odd when people talk about "spiritual" things they rarely want to use the bible, and with my buddies someone can drunkenly ramble all night about Jesus but if someone picks up the actual bible they get burned at the stake. (that last comment was figurative for you concerned noobs.)

The Bible clearly states: “The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” (1 John 5:19) When you think about it, does that not make sense? This world reflects the personality of the invisible spirit creature who is “misleading the entire inhabited earth.” (Revelation 12:9) Satan is hateful, deceptive, and cruel. So the world, under his influence, is full of hatred, deceit, and cruelty. That is one reason why there is so much suffering.
Let us consider an illustration. Imagine that a teacher is telling his students how to solve a difficult problem. A clever but rebellious student claims that the teacher’s way of solving the problem is wrong. Implying that the teacher is not capable, this rebel insists that he knows a much better way to solve the problem. Some students think that he is right, and they also become rebellious. What should the teacher do? If he throws the rebels out of the class, what will be the effect on the other students? Will they not believe that their fellow student and those who joined him are right? All the other students in the class might lose respect for the teacher, thinking that he is afraid of being proved wrong. But suppose that the teacher allows the rebel to show the class how he would solve the problem.
The teacher in our illustration knows that the rebel and the students on his side are wrong. But he also knows that allowing them the opportunity to try to prove their point will benefit the whole class. When the rebels fail, all honest students will see that the teacher is the only one qualified to lead the class. They will understand why the teacher thereafter removes any rebels from the class. Similarly, Jehovah knows that all honesthearted humans and angels will benefit from seeing that Satan and his fellow rebels have failed and that humans cannot govern themselves. Like Jeremiah of old, they will learn this vital truth: “I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.”—Jeremiah 10:23.



yeah I was just messing around before... on a serious note. God/Jesus is still doing quite a bit, and he's still speaking. It's just that people don't actually care to listen or seek God.

Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. (Jeremiah 29:12-13)

I think some people are just really afraid of the whole thing

[NoGravitas]

God/Jesus is still doing quite a bit


So what is he doing pray tell except failing to stop tsunamis/earthquakes/plagues/wars/genocide/everything else horrific thats happened in the last 2000 years?

[UNC]

Ever read the book of Job?

[NoGravitas]

Thats the one where God decides to have play a fun game with his creation/nemisis satan and torture some poor God fearing guy isnt it?

[kid_vidrio]

yeah I was just messing around before... on a serious note. God/Jesus is still doing quite a bit, and he's still speaking. It's just that people don't actually care to listen or seek God.

Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. (Jeremiah 29:12-13)

I think some people are just really afraid of the whole thing
Then there are people that use teh pronoun 'he' without considering the profane ramifications, yet still insinuate that they have an inside tip.
By the way, that Jeremiah verse sounds like a Miley Cyrus lyric.

[wonderllama]

By the way, that Jeremiah verse sounds like a Miley Cyrus lyric.

Which is coincidental cos I hear he had a gum job and made a sex tape...what were the odds!

[Whiffleball]

God is trolling his own creation by posting on Christian fundamentalist forums:

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Yes these are actual quotes from Christian forums

[dnegreiro]

this is nauseating. as a christian, I only made it through the first minute. I mean please. trust me. these guys don't represent the christian faith. what planet do these guys live on?

[Archangel]

God is trolling his own creation by posting on Christian fundamentalist forums:

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Yes these are actual quotes from Christian forums

Yeah, and Richarddawkins.net is exclusively filled with tolerant, open minded geniuses. Come on now.


Seriously, recognising that a lot of American Christians are stupid - big fucking surprise, in a country whose population can maybe find Canada on a map - does not ipso facto make anyone smarter.

[NoGravitas]

God is trolling his own creation by posting on Christian fundamentalist forums:

qO9IPoAdct8

Yes these are actual quotes from Christian forums

Lmao! Why do the atheists dress like death eaters from Harry Potter? When they stopped believing in god did they suddenly gain dark magical powers? Also the rest of that quote is funny as fuck. The should make a simpsons episode like that and itd be the funniest new one ive seen in a long time.

[Archetype]

Yes these are actual quotes from Christian forums
The funniest thing about that place is it's gotten less ridiculous since they stopped allowing atheists into certain parts. I know how that sounds, but teh non-Christians baited the shit out of it. Like daily. Now the psycho evangelists seem to be in lower numbers there too, which just goes to show you, there's a lot of douchebags out there.

As to the ridiculousness of the quotes, I don't really give a shit. There's idiots on every side.

[UNC]

Yeah, and Richarddawkins.net is exclusively filled with tolerant, open minded geniuses. Come on now.


Seriously, recognising that a lot of American Christians are stupid - big fucking surprise, in a country whose population can maybe find Canada on a map - does not ipso facto make anyone smarter.

Yet another post where Arch tries to explain how Americans are dumb.

Nice post for a Russian-American. Which is exactly what Germans are.

[UNC]

I can find every country on the map except Germany.

Who gives a fuck where that Jew graveyard is.

[Archangel]

Yet another post where Arch tries to explain how Americans are dumb.

Nice post for a Russian-American. Which is exactly what Germans are.
Witty.
I can find every country on the map except Germany.

Who gives a fuck where that Jew graveyard is.
You do know that most of the nazi extermination camps were in Poland, right?

No?

How unsurprising, seeing as how you're American and all.

[UNC]

My foot is from a country called yellow germans ass...and it's getting homesick

[UNC]

If you wanna talk about idiots, Africa is full of countries that you can ridicule and actually be right about.

[Archangel]

If you wanna talk about idiots, Africa is full of countries that you can ridicule and actually be right about.

Yeah, but none of them call their national sports championship teams "World Champions".

[UNC]

If you're gonna use logic I can't argue with you.

[dnegreiro]

why is it that so often the conversation of faith turns to conversations on politics.

[matelotindien]

He's on an intergalactic road trip....
Presumably about 2000 light years from here (ignoring stops along the way)...

God is Light, nay is what created light, so the intergalactic road trip may not really be objective here. However , Douglas Adams may take a look :)

[bdjlo09]

God/Jesus is up to nothing. It is nothing.

[BadNews]

I dont know what Jesus is up to, but I know he cant be happy!

[splinter]

God is pissing on us.