Fate...It's Just Physics

[Badass Pirate]

Randomness does not exist. The things we may perceive as being random are merely a product of matter interacting with energy at the smallest and most complex level. Our Universe is generally accepted as a closed system with a fixed set of laws. This Universe began with the Big Bang, at which point a fixed amount of matter expanded into what we know now. Every particle that was produced from that Big Bang acted individually based on the forces acting on that particle. It could thus be said that the present state of the Universe was predestined from the starting conditions of the Universe. Energy is transferred from form to form, shifting matter in a very precise way. I do not see any valid dispute to this idea. Some may bring up the Uncertainty Principle, which states that we can never know both the exact position and velocity of a particle. This merely states that it is currently impossible for humans to measure the position and velocity of a particle without affecting the path of that particle. However, each individual particle in the Universe follows an exact path based solely on the forces acting on it. Furthermore, human (or any) thought is simply a collection of chemicals and electrical signals. The way humans develop is based on environment and genetics. Environment was inevitable from the beginning, as are the genetics that make us up. Starting from the first life form that was created based on molecules acting together, the action of that life form and all subsequent life forms is simply matter reacting with energy. Everything we do is part of a huge chain reaction that started with a singularity. Choice is an illusion brought forth by the human mind. You can liken the idea of choice to an emotion. It is just a process of the human brain. However, what we choose is already going to happen anyway, since we were bound to develop how we developed in the environment that was bound to be created. This does not discount human choice in our reality, however, in the big picture, it is irrelevant.

[redsox39]

More like "Loose-Ass Pirate"...

[Datači]

Albert Hofmann was a good man.

[Insomniac]

It's my understanding of quantum physics (ha!) that subatomic particles move according to probabilities, not determinism. The universe really is random, and set it up a billion billion times exactly the same way, you probably wouldn't get us once, let alone twice.

[hatepoppy]

It's my understanding of quantum physics (ha!) that subatomic particles move according to probabilities, not determinism. The universe really is random, and set it up a billion billion times exactly the same way, you probably wouldn't get us once, let alone twice.
lulz. 'just' physics.

i remember getting pretty serious about this in hs, as i was basically discovering physics.

i have to question you, insomniac- do you rry think the particles move according to probability, or is that probability simply a description of the likely destination/reaction/whathaveyou.

i think that in a way, his cat's on the right track, in that, with all due respect to established heisenbergian probablistic descriptions of shits (say, position), each particle exists uniquely at all times. its simply our inability to accurately measure or describe the phenomenon that detracts from deterministic specificity.lulzimretarded

[WET HOT MESS]

Speak in poppy-knees for me. I don't comprehend.

[hatepoppy]

that somalian douchenozzle is bein all, 'shit nig if physics can describe pozishin/nrgy etc locally, if u knoo like, everything, you'd know everything.'
then that nig insomnilax was all 'way i hrrd, kwanzaa particmz aint in one place but is axxually in one of many?"

and then i was like 'psh, jus cuz we dont know wear shits is dont mean it aint where it be at.'

[freegood]

This cartoon is pretty helpful.
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[mongo]

It's my understanding of quantum physics (ha!) that subatomic particles move according to probabilities, not determinism. The universe really is random, and set it up a billion billion times exactly the same way, you probably wouldn't get us once, let alone twice.

zoom out far enough and it is anything but random.

[Insomniac]

This is true, but that's more due to the probability of so many particles behaving in a certain way going way down than anything.

If there's a 90 percent chance one quark will be someplace, then it probably will, but it could be somewhere else, too, and that wouldn't be unreasonable. If you have a hundred billion quarks, they're almost certainly going to be in the place they're most likely to be.

[vasili denisov]

Some may bring up the Uncertainty Principle, which states that we can never know both the exact position and velocity of a particle. This merely states that it is currently impossible for humans to measure the position and velocity of a particle without affecting the path of that particle. However, each individual particle in the Universe follows an exact path based solely on the forces acting on it.
The uncertainty of particle data is independent of human measurement, though it does manifest itself in attempts to measure particle information. Given that the "forces acting on it" are forces that are exerted by the particles themselves, that the force is a result of the position of the particle, or group of particles, acting on another; that the position of the particles cannot be discerned; then it seems that either we are living in a non-deterministic universe, or one where the deterministic structure of the universe cannot be discerned by us.

[Archangel]

God damnit, vas, is there anything you DON'T know?

[Hoser]

I am starting to think that Google doesn't use servers to find its information, but rather just taps Vasilis brain.

[Pharon]

The uncertainty of particle data is independent of human measurement, though it does manifest itself in attempts to measure particle information. Given that the "forces acting on it" are forces that are exerted by the particles themselves, that the force is a result of the position of the particle, or group of particles, acting on another; that the position of the particles cannot be discerned; then it seems that either we are living in a non-deterministic universe, or one where the deterministic structure of the universe cannot be discerned by us.
Thank you, Professer Heisenberg.

[vasili denisov]

God damnit, vas, is there anything you DON'T know?
It's just very layman physics and some logic, applied to the weak link in the chain.
Thank you, Professer Heisenberg.
Just another good deed, courtesy of just another lawyer / astronaut.

[Archangel]

He's trying to humiliate me, isn't he.

[vicar in a tutu]

Vasili doesn't try, Vasili does...or does not? He never tries!

[freegood]

Vasili is Yoda?

[matelotindien]

Randomness does not exist. The things we may perceive as being random are merely a product of matter interacting with energy at the smallest and most complex level. Our Universe is generally accepted as a closed system with a fixed set of laws. This Universe began with the Big Bang, at which point a fixed amount of matter expanded into what we know now. Every particle that was produced from that Big Bang acted individually based on the forces acting on that particle. It could thus be said that the present state of the Universe was predestined from the starting conditions of the Universe. Energy is transferred from form to form, shifting matter in a very precise way. I do not see any valid dispute to this idea. Some may bring up the Uncertainty Principle, which states that we can never know both the exact position and velocity of a particle. This merely states that it is currently impossible for humans to measure the position and velocity of a particle without affecting the path of that particle. However, each individual particle in the Universe follows an exact path based solely on the forces acting on it. Furthermore, human (or any) thought is simply a collection of chemicals and electrical signals. The way humans develop is based on environment and genetics. Environment was inevitable from the beginning, as are the genetics that make us up. Starting from the first life form that was created based on molecules acting together, the action of that life form and all subsequent life forms is simply matter reacting with energy. Everything we do is part of a huge chain reaction that started with a singularity. Choice is an illusion brought forth by the human mind. You can liken the idea of choice to an emotion. It is just a process of the human brain. However, what we choose is already going to happen anyway, since we were bound to develop how we developed in the environment that was bound to be created. This does not discount human choice in our reality, however, in the big picture, it is irrelevant.
Current interpretations of astronomical observations indicate that the age of the Universe is 13.73 (± 0.12) billion years,[1] and that the diameter of the observable Universe is at least 93 billion light years, or 8.80 × 1026 metres. (It may seem paradoxical that two galaxies on opposite sides can be separated by 93 billion light years after only 13 billion years, since special relativity states that matter cannot be accelerated to exceed the speed of light in a localized region of space-time. However, according to general relativity, space can expand with no intrinsic limit on its rate; thus, two galaxies can separate more quickly than the speed of light if the space between them grows.) It is uncertain whether the size of the Universe is finite or infinite.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe

Thus fate exists , even if we define it otherwise