Letterman & Palin

[mdaddyrabbit]

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What did you guys think about what David Letterman said about Sarah Palin's daughter? There seems to be uproar about his comments. He has not offered to apologize for his comment.

As a parent I think what he said would have made me mad, I think all of here would defend our children in any event like this one. From my understanding he didn't distinguish between which of her girls he mean even though the I think the public would know it was the daughter that has already had a child out of wedlock.

The joke Letterman made was in a distasteful manner in my opinion, this girl is 18 years old and not in a position to defend herself in the public light. The reasoning behind this is politics; Letterman doesn't care very much for the Republican Party and didn't think highly of Palin when she ran alongside John McCain for the presidential election. If Letterman has an issue with the Palin and or the Republican Party then he should aim his jokes directly at Palin and not her children. They have no control in what their parents do but seem to catch a lot of jokes and criticism. Although, she is 18 that doesn't give Letterman the right to deface her reputation and throw off on her personal situation.

I think David Letterman should take a long look at his life, what besides comedy has he contributed to help anyone. Has he lived a perfect life and done everything in the right manner I bet not. So for him to make nasty little jokes about an 18 year girl because of what her mother does is sad and pathetic.

[freegood]

That bitch should crawl into an igloo and freeze.

[mdaddyrabbit]

That bitch should crawl into an igloo and freeze.


Think maybe she would melt it? LOL

[Rover]

Technically, the jokes are about her 14 year old daughter.

[WET HOT MESS]

It's okay to laugh at tasteless jokes.

[Das Kahlua]

I'm going to start calling Obama's daughters nappy-headed hoes.

[Hannibal Lecter]

What about the A-Rod?

[Desperado]

Letterman says Palin joke in 'poor taste' (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/11/letterman-says-palin-joke-in-poor-taste/)
Posted: 12:00 PM ET

From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/tag/cnn-ticker-producer-alexander-mooney/)
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/11/art.letterman.gi.jpg Letterman said a recent joke about Sarah Palin's daughter was in poor taste.

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(Updated at 12:00 p.m. ET with Palin response)
(CNN) – Late night comedian David Letterman, responding to criticism his recent joke about a member of Sarah Palin's family crossed the line, said on his show Wednesday night he is guilty of "poor taste."
But Letterman, who has been a critic of the Alaska governor, said the recent joke — that Palin's "daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez" at a recent Yankees game — was in reference to 18-year-old Bristol Palin, not 14-year-old Willow who actually attended the baseball game with her mother last week.
"We were, as we often do, making jokes about people in the news and we made some jokes about Sarah Palin and her daughter … and now they're upset with me," Letterman said. "These are not jokes made about her 14-year-old daughter. I would never, never make jokes about raping or having sex of any description with a 14-year-old girl.
"Am I guilty of poor taste? Yes. Did I suggest that it was okay for her 14-year-old daughter to be having promiscuous sex? No."
[B] (http://www.ireport.com/ir-topic-stories.jspa?topicId=243340)
Letterman's comments come a day after the former Republican vice presidential candidate called the joke "inappropriate" and "sexually perverted."
"Acceptance of inappropriate sexual comments about an underage girl, who could be anyone's daughter, contributes to the atrociously high rate of sexual exploitation of minors by older men who use and abuse others," she said in a statement, assuming the joke was in reference to Willow.
On his show Wednesday Letterman said he hoped he "cleared part of this up" and said Palin is welcome to be a guest on the program at any time.
Palin had also taken issue with an item on Letterman's recent "Top Ten List," in which he said one of the Alaska governor's activities in New York was to buy "makeup at Bloomingdale's to update her slutty flight attendant look."
"The only thing I can say about this is I kind of like that joke," Letterman said.
In an issued statement, Palin spokeswoman Meghan Stapleton said: "The Palins have no intention of providing a ratings boost for David Letterman by appearing on his show. Plus, it would be wise to keep Willow away from David Letterman."

[BIG PIZZLE]

One thing about Palin, she doesnt shy away from the zingers.

[Das Kahlua]

"We were, as we often do, making jokes about people in the news and we made some jokes about Sarah Palin and her daughter [Bristol]… and now they're upset with me," Letterman said. "These are not jokes made about her 14-year-old daughter. I would never, never make jokes about raping or having sex of any description with a 14-year-old girl.
"Am I guilty of poor taste? Yes. Did I suggest that it was okay for her 14-year-old daughter to be having promiscuous sex? No."

This is the most retarded fake apology apology I have heard in a while.

The fact that Letterman said that it would be inappropriate to make a sexual joke about a 14-year old, but not an 18-year old, shows a level of disconnect. Neither of these girls ever asked for or sought public attention, they were victims of their mother's political success (is that the right term?); leave them alone, seriously. Take shots at Sarah Palin, if you must, but it's been 8 months or so since the election, can we as a society please decide that it's time to leave Palin's daughters, and family as a whole, alone?

Letterman and his writers are getting paid enough money that they should be able to come up with jokes that don't involve children.

[Soup Nazi]

Shes an 18 year old girl, shes a legal adult, maybe I am missing something here. She has had interviews on CNN and FoxNews, interviews with People magazine, she is the "Teen Abstinence Ambassador" for something called the "Candies Foundation", where her role is to speak in front of audiences and give interviews with morning tv shows. To me, she sounds like a public figure who happens to be a legal adult. In my mind, that qualifies her for one line zingers on late night television. The same way the Bush sisters and Chelsea Clinton before her qualified.

[Das Kahlua]

Shes an 18 year old girl, shes a legal adult, maybe I am missing something here. She has had interviews on CNN and FoxNews, interviews with People magazine, she is the "Teen Abstinence Ambassador" for something called the "Candies Foundation", where her role is to speak in front of audiences and give interviews with morning tv shows. To me, she sounds like a public figure who happens to be a legal adult. In my mind, that qualifies her for one line zingers on late night television. The same way the Bush sisters and Chelsea Clinton before her qualified.

Except that it was the younger sister Willow who was at the Yankees game, not Bristol.

Even if I were to agree that Bristol has made herself a public figure by her TV appearances, she was doing that to try and be a spokesperson for teenage pregnancy and personal responsibility; is that now a qualifier to be slammed by Letterman on a somewhat regular basis?

As for a comparison to Chelsea Clinton, she didn't receive even a fraction of this amount of negative attention over 8+ years that the Palin family did over the last year or so. It's not even close.

Seriously, though, the election is over, Obama won, does Letterman still need to be taking shots at Palin's daughter? Move on, man.

[The GWD]

Bristol Palin has been keeping herself in the limelight with all her abstinence bullshit.

http://www.wowowow.com/files/imagecache/300x/2009_0520_People_Bristol_PalinSQUARE.jpg

If she wants to be a public hypocrisy, she's fair game for these kinds of jokes.

[Soup Nazi]

Except that it was the younger sister Willow who was at the Yankees game, not Bristol.

I would hope that Letterman made a mistake and didn't truly mean for it to be about Willow. I suppose we will never know for sure though if it was a mistake or if he is just back peddling now.


Even if I were to agree that Bristol has made herself a public figure by her TV appearances, she was doing that to try and be a spokesperson for teenage pregnancy and personal responsibility; is that now a qualifier to be slammed by Letterman on a somewhat regular basis?You don't watch a whole lot of late night television do you? Practically anyone who is a public figure is open for mockery. It usually doesn't matter what your intentions are, as long as you are out in the open you are fair game. Especially if you got knocked up and now are a spokeswoman for abstinence. (Posing for the cover of People Magazine is not exactly keeping a low profile as well)


As for a comparison to Chelsea Clinton, she didn't receive even a fraction of this amount of negative attention over 8+ years that the Palin family did over the last year or so. It's not even close.This I would probably agree with. I was pretty young during the entire Clinton administration so I didn't watch a whole lot of late night television. I imagine Bristol has gotten more scrutiny, but I am not really the right person to compare.


Seriously, though, the election is over, Obama won, does Letterman still need to be taking shots at Palin's daughter? Move on, man.I imagine he will continue to make Palin jokes as long as she is a power player in the Republican Party. Dave has always been pretty biased, so it's not entirely surprising, but Palin and daughter jokes are still pretty routine across the late night schedule.

[mongo]

i think it's even more lulzy if it is about the 14 year old.

[wacker]

Palin is too stupid to figure out what a joke was, that's why she responded the way she did. If she had a brain she ignores it or does an uncomfortable laugh and gets on with her life.

[The GWD]

i think it's even more lulzy if it is about the 14 year old.

I lol'd at this bit.

I would never, never make jokes about raping or having sex of any description with a 14-year-old girl.

And the fact that they named their daughter after a magical dwarf.

But seriously, Bristol Palin has been seeking public attention almost as much as she was seeking hard dick. I always hated abstinence programs that parade around teenage mothers as some prime example of "what can happen". Bristol's kid gets to grow up labeled as the Famous Little Mistake.

[Das Kahlua]

You don't watch a whole lot of late night television do you? Practically anyone who is a public figure is open for mockery. It usually doesn't matter what your intentions are, as long as you are out in the open you are fair game. Especially if you got knocked up and now are a spokeswoman for abstinence. (Posing for the cover of People Magazine is not exactly keeping a low profile as well)

I'm not denying him the right to make these kinds of jokes, I just find it in exceptionally poor taste. If he wants to go down this road, that's fine, I just meant that it's getting a little old, he should move on to something new instead of rehashing the same jokes for the last year.

If I were actually funny and more of a dick, I could make jokes about how Letterman's son was almost kidnapped and held for ransom, or how he had to have emergency heart bypass surgery, but I don't see the need to resort to those sorts of cheap shots to get a laugh. Letterman should be talented enough and employ enough writers to be able to come up with new and creative jokes, not keep recycling old shit again and again.

Then again, his audience laughed at the jokes and the Palin family's reaction, so I guess the old adage of 'give the people what they want' applies.

[BIG PIZZLE]

Letterman has recycled the same jokes since 1985. Sarah Palin has eaten a lot of shit from comedians and rightfully so, she's a bit of a clown. But she's pretty much taken it in stride. I think she's well within her rights to defend her daughter especially if she truely believed that Dave was going after the 14 y/o.

[Pox]

I agree that this is distasteful. He should stick to making fun of the retarded one. Figwit, or whatever its name is.

[mdaddyrabbit]

Palin is too stupid to figure out what a joke was, that's why she responded the way she did. If she had a brain she ignores it or does an uncomfortable laugh and gets on with her life.


For me it doesn't matter what the joke is about or in what context it came out or even which child it was about. The fact is this is her children and they deserve a certain amount of respect. If this were me and Letterman had stated what he did about mine, I would have never went to the media I would have whooped the hell out of him.

What happen to respect for a woman? No matter what palin says about Letterman it won't be as bad as the reference Letterman made about her child.

[wacker]

Letterman has recycled the same jokes since 1985. Sarah Palin has eaten a lot of shit from comedians and rightfully so, she's a bit of a clown. But she's pretty much taken it in stride. I think she's well within her rights to defend her daughter especially if she truely believed that Dave was going after the 14 y/o.

But if she was bright enough she would have known Letterman wasn't advocating teenage rape or some nonsense like that.

[mdaddyrabbit]

But if she was bright enough she would have known Letterman wasn't advocating teenage rape or some nonsense like that.

Agreed, but he went about it in the wrong way. I think he is an educated man so he had to know how this would sound coming out. I think he did it because of his dislike of Palin and her political stance as a republican.

[wacker]

For me it doesn't matter what the joke is about or in what context it came out or even which child it was about. The fact is this is her children and they deserve a certain amount of respect. If this were me and Letterman had stated what he did about mine, I would have never went to the media I would have whooped the hell out of him.

What happen to respect for a woman? No matter what palin says about Letterman it won't be as bad as the reference Letterman made about her child.

He admitted it wasn't in good taste. But for her to suggest he was implying support for underage sex with adults (or whatever it was) is preposterous.

[mongo]

For me it doesn't matter what the joke is about or in what context it came out or even which child it was about. The fact is this is her children and they deserve a certain amount of respect. If this were me and Letterman had stated what he did about mine, I would have never went to the media I would have whooped the hell out of him.

What happen to respect for a woman? No matter what palin says about Letterman it won't be as bad as the reference Letterman made about her child.

stfu and gtfo.

[misterfatt]

I think he did it because of his dislike of Palin and her political stance as a republican.
i think the sky is blue.

i think the earth is round.

i think you're an overly sensitive faggot.

[fuldstændigamok]

If this were me and Letterman had stated what he did about mine, I would have never went to the media I would have whooped the hell out of him.



Of course you would have, of course...

[UNC]

What kind of dumbass names her kid "Willow"?

[The GWD]

What kind of dumbass names her kid "Willow"?

The same kind that also names her kids "Bristol" and "Trig".

[Mustard]

Hey... lets all take the commedian seriously.

You know, when I watch Joe Rogan or Louis CK, I do so because I value their opinion on politics...

Lighten up faggots

[heelsguy]

I would not have had as much a problem if the older daughter had been the one at the game. I would like to think letterman's writers heard "palin and her daughter would be at a Yankees game" and saw a punchline and then worked backwards to create the joke. except they did not get their facts straight.

letterman should have said something like "I screwed up. I took a shot at a 14 year old innocent girl by mistake. I SHOULD be apologizing today for using bad taste for picking on an 18 yr old and it turns out I did not even get it right in the first place"

[Genius]

Letterman hasn't been relevant for fifteen years BECAUSE he hasn't been saying shit like this. Go get 'em, Dave.

[Debo]

"Let me be a clear as possible: I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people's families are off limits," Obama said, "and people's children are especially off limits.

[heelsguy]

Letterman hasn't been relevant for fifteen years BECAUSE he hasn't been saying shit like this. Go get 'em, Dave.


he has not been relevant since at least 91-92. most of his show's notoriety/publicity comes from guests. (drew barrymore lifting her top while standing on his desk. farrah fawcett being a space cadet, when o'reilly was a guest got him some pub)...etc. his bit is tired ...his "cranky uncle dave" style suddenly is now more like "senile grandpa dave".

he never was a joke teller to start with unlike Leno who was a classic standup comedian. Dave would make a stupid joke and then tug on his collar for what seemed like 10 minutes . fuck him.

[Weenis]

My guess is that people's level of outrage is in direct proportion for the political party they root for.

Go team!

[Insomniac]

Bristol has been fucked many times and had a baby. I don't care if she were 14; she's a mother and a public figure, now by her own volition. She's fair game.

Now, Obama's children are not in bounds as things stand now. Like Carter's kid getting made fun of for being ugly, that's just not cool. If one of Obama's kids has a sex tape leaked (let's say he wins another term), fuck yeah she's going to be made fun of.

Christ. It's like calling breastfeeding pictures of Jamie Lynn Spears child porn.

SHE HAS PUSHED A BABY OUT OF HER VAGINA. SHE IS A MOTHER. What may be in bad taste is no longer exploitation of the innocent.

[Archangel]

The reasoning behind this is politics; Letterman doesn't care very much for the Republican Party

The first joke was just as much about that slimeball Eliot Spitzer, who, last I checked, was a Democrat.

and didn't think highly of Palin when she ran alongside John McCain for the presidential election.

That might be due to the fact that he can read and write, and lives in a place where sheep fucking isn't the #2 night-time activity.

Seriously, name ONE person who knows what the capital of Argentina is who DID think highly of Ms Palin.

If Letterman has an issue with the Palin and or the Republican Party then he should aim his jokes directly at Palin and not her children.

Yeah, heaven forbid anyone make jokes about the manifest hypocrisy of Republican 18th-century sexual morals. If you preach abstinence, and your underage daughter gets pregnant, both of you are fair fucking game.

[Archangel]

As the man said, where are the complaints from A-Rod and the New York Yankees organisation, from Bloomingdale's, or even from Eliot Spitzer?

There's an Italian expression, "coda di paglia", which basically means that the touchiest, most easily offended people are the biggest hypocrites.

[heelsguy]

As the man said, where are the complaints from A-Rod and the New York Yankees organisation, from Bloomingdale's, or even from Eliot Spitzer?

There's an Italian expression, "coda di paglia", which basically means that the touchiest, most easily offended people are the biggest hypocrites.


arch, he took a shot at the WRONG daughter. what part do you not get?

[Archangel]

arch, he took a shot at the WRONG daughter. what part do you not get?

Wait. Is he talking about Bristol or Willow? Because who gives a fuck about the latter?

[Archangel]

By the way, has Rush ever even insincerely apologised for the shit he said about Chelsea Clinton?

[mdaddyrabbit]

Thinking from a parent’s perspective, what Letterman said would have been very degrading to Palin and her family. Your children are the most important thing to your heart, when someone comes out and especially in public and makes a statement of this type is truly wrong. I bet David Letterman would not like someone to make remarks of this type about his boy when he is the age of either Palin girl.

I noticed how he made even more remarks about the situation on last night’s show. If he is not going to submit a formal apology then he should drop the subject and move on to someone else that’s weak and defenseless as a 14 or 18 year child.

[Archangel]

If your idiot hick mother is vocally and publicly opposed to you (or anybody else) having sex ed, and you get pregnant, you're gonna be the laughing-stock of your town.

If your idiot hick mother happens to be famous, spouting her retarded, backwards rubbish on international television, then you are fair game for the entire world. Again, is "Republican" synonymous with "hypocrite"? Last I checked, Chelsea Clinton got shat on by every talk radio redneck out there when she was underage, and for nothing as tangible as being visible proof of her parents' abject policy failures.

[Das Kahlua]

Bristol has been fucked many times and had a baby. I don't care if she were 14; she's a mother and a public figure, now by her own volition. She's fair game.

Now, Obama's children are not in bounds as things stand now. Like Carter's kid getting made fun of for being ugly, that's just not cool. If one of Obama's kids has a sex tape leaked (let's say he wins another term), fuck yeah she's going to be made fun of.

Christ. It's like calling breastfeeding pictures of Jamie Lynn Spears child porn.

SHE HAS PUSHED A BABY OUT OF HER VAGINA. SHE IS A MOTHER. What may be in bad taste is no longer exploitation of the innocent.

With the standard that has been set, i.e. anyone in the public sphere is automatically fair game, Obama's daughters certainly are open to criticism. Personally, I would be just as opposed to Rush, Hannity or any comedian taking shots at them as I am to Letterman taking shots at Palin's daughters, but someone who would support these comments would be highly hypocritical not to support it if Obama's daughters were being attacked. Either they are all fair game or they are all off limits.

Besides, she's an 18-year old who's giving it up; this sort of thing should be applauded, not mocked.

Yeah, heaven forbid anyone make jokes about the manifest hypocrisy of Republican 18th-century sexual morals. If you preach abstinence, and your underage daughter gets pregnant, both of you are fair fucking game.

Practically everyone is going to have sex at some point or other, and it's naive to suggest otherwise, I'm completely with you on that. To her credit at least (I can't believe I'm defending this), she admitted she made a mistake, kept the baby, and made efforts to try and keep future girls from making the same mistake she did. She's not living off of the system, so frankly I don't give a shit what she does in her personal life; I had been trying for months to forget all about this shit and focus on actual issues, but apparently that only lasts so long.

[Archangel]

If Obama, say, opposes welfare programmes, and his daughter drops out of high school and has to turn tricks for a living, then we can compare that to Palin, okay?

[Das Kahlua]

By the way, has Rush ever even insincerely apologised for the shit he said about Chelsea Clinton?

Rush Limbaugh despised the Clintons and everything associated with them. Nothing he said, however, ever came close to reaching the level of what Wanda Sykes said about Rush at the White House Correspondants Dinner when she called him the 'missing 9/11 hijacker,' 'a traitor,' and that she hoped he 'dies of kidney failure.'

This is the shit that has replaced honest political discourse in America, and probably why Washington can never get shit done, and why the public is becoming increasingly disillusioned by both parties.

[Archangel]

Practically everyone is going to have sex at some point or other, and it's naive to suggest otherwise, I'm completely with you on that. To her credit at least (I can't believe I'm defending this), she admitted she made a mistake, kept the baby, and made efforts to try and keep future girls from making the same mistake she did.

Because her daddy probably beat her to within an inch of her life, and promised her eternity in Hell in explicit detail.

I'd have respect for her if she'd made a stand and said in public, "if my hick fucking parents could have gotten their heads out of their 18th-century arses, I'd have known what a fucking condom was, and told that douche bag to wear one, and none of this would have ever happened."

What she did was typical Republican "family values" hypocrisy, nothing more. No idea what there is to respect about that.

[Das Kahlua]

If Obama, say, opposes welfare programmes, and his daughter drops out of high school and has to turn tricks for a living, then we can compare that to Palin, okay?

Is it painfully ironic that someone like Palin, who claimed to be some example of morals, has a daughter who's a teenage mother? Yes it is.

Continuing to use it as the punchline for a joke a year later is no longer funny or cutting-edge, and Letterman should stop beating this dead horse.

Palin was McCain's VP nominee. They lost--8 months ago. Does Letterman not have any good Dan Quayle or OJ Simpson jokes he can use?

[hatepoppy]

Rush Limbaugh despised the Clintons and everything associated with them. Nothing he said, however, ever came close to reaching the level of what Wanda Sykes said about Rush at the White House Correspondants Dinner when she called him the 'missing 9/11 hijacker,' 'a traitor,' and that she hoped he 'dies of kidney failure.'

This is the shit that has replaced honest political discourse in America, and probably why Washington can never get shit done, and why the public is becoming increasingly disillusioned by both parties.
wanda sykes, man? get the fuck over yourself, who takes her seriously?

[Das Kahlua]

Because her daddy probably beat her to within an inch of her life, and promised her eternity in Hell in explicit detail.

Her baby-daddy was completely whipped by the Palin family, not the other way around.

I'd have respect for her if she'd made a stand and said in public, "if my hick fucking parents could have gotten their heads out of their 18th-century arses, I'd have known what a fucking condom was, and told that douche bag to wear one, and none of this would have ever happened."

It's not a question of he not knowing what a condom is or how to use one, she was probably just too lazy to use it. Same reason why the vast majority of all black babies are born out of wed-lock, and not too many of them are voting Republican.

What she did was typical Republican "family values" hypocrisy, nothing more. No idea what there is to respect about that.

It's not about respecting Republican platforms, it's about letting an 18-year old live her life without being mocked on national television--if you aren't going to respect a difference of political opinion, I would hope that there would be a least a sliver of respect for them as people.

Or, if that's not good enough, how about that these jokes aren't even funny, anymore than using Monica Lewinsky as a punch-line wouldn't be.

[Das Kahlua]

wanda sykes, man? get the fuck over yourself, who takes her seriously?

Well, she was invited to speak at the White House Correspondents Dinner by Obama, so I guess he does, but those darkies do tend to stick together.

AmIright

[Insomniac]

With the standard that has been set, i.e. anyone in the public sphere is automatically fair game, Obama's daughters certainly are open to criticism. Personally, I would be just as opposed to Rush, Hannity or any comedian taking shots at them as I am to Letterman taking shots at Palin's daughters, but someone who would support these comments would be highly hypocritical not to support it if Obama's daughters were being attacked. Either they are all fair game or they are all off limits.

Besides, she's an 18-year old who's giving it up; this sort of thing should be applauded, not mocked.

No, Palin's younger children are off limits. Jokes about the older son getting killed in Iraq aren't exactly off limits, because he's an adult, but I find it hard to see how they'd every be acceptable on their own merits.

Bristol Palin, because of her mother's position as a vice presidential candidate, was forced into the public eye. That's not really her fault, except for getting pregnant, and I feel sorry for her and Eli? Was that the dude's name?

But she has gone out and become a public figure. She gives interviews. She gives speeches. She isn't anyone's kid anymore. She's an adult. She's a mother. She's her own individual.

Chelsea Clinton is OK to make fun of now. Totally. There are no special rules for her. But while she was the president's daughter, it was not OK. The Obama children are not OK to make fun of. Palin's other children aren't OK to make fun of. I want to be pretty clear about this. It's not hypocrisy, it's two completely different situations.

[Yelram]

Because her daddy probably beat her to within an inch of her life, and promised her eternity in Hell in explicit detail.

I'd have respect for her if she'd made a stand and said in public, "if my hick fucking parents could have gotten their heads out of their 18th-century arses, I'd have known what a fucking condom was, and told that douche bag to wear one, and none of this would have ever happened."

What she did was typical Republican "family values" hypocrisy, nothing more. No idea what there is to respect about that.

Arch, you are a fucking moron, who is so absolutely susceptible to media sensationalization it makes me sick. Yeah, Palin was some crazy redneck hick who couldnt read and write, and the only reason her daughter got pregnant is because she supports abstinence programs(/sarcasm). Fucking douche. Liberal comedians are starting to run out of overdone Bush jokes, and realizing that they are going to have trouble demonizing the republicans while they are in the minority. Its so funny that the fucking self professed "Catholic" is the one who points fingers about being stuck in the 18th century. What exactly is your religions view on sexual education there Arch? I know you have to take every old catholic asshole's opinion as gold, so how exactly do you rationalize your obvious hypocrisy?

[Candycane]

I think a comedian is a comedian whether good or bad. Kathy Griffin makes fun of Dakota Fanning and the Jonas Brothers and various people underage. It's really not a big deal it was done in a tongue and cheek manner and clearly Letterman wishes no harm to Palin's daughters. This is a non issue. But someone is always offended at any given time.

[hatepoppy]

the kid got pregnant to sabotage her cunted mother's inexplicably meteoric rise in the GOP.

[Archangel]

Arch, you are a fucking moron, who is so absolutely susceptible to media sensationalization it makes me sick. Yeah, Palin was some crazy redneck hick who couldnt read and write, and the only reason her daughter got pregnant is because she supports abstinence programs(/sarcasm). Fucking douche. Liberal comedians are starting to run out of overdone Bush jokes, and realizing that they are going to have trouble demonizing the republicans while they are in the minority. Its so funny that the fucking self professed "Catholic" is the one who points fingers about being stuck in the 18th century. What exactly is your religions view on sexual education there Arch? I know you have to take every old catholic asshole's opinion as gold, so how exactly do you rationalize your obvious hypocrisy?

Ah, I'd started to wonder where you'd been; it had been getting weirdly sane here for a while.

And you must be illiterate. Because when have I ever supported Catholic sexual morals? Actually, one of my first posts on GMF was about the idiocy of following morals written by people whose epistemes were foreign enough to us to almost qualify as another species entirely...

That's the difference between me and you, or the average Republican, for that matter. I can follow a school of thought without losing the ability to think for myself; I can believe in the basic tenets of Catholicism or democracy, but critique those aspects which I believe to be obsolete or deleterious.

You people talk about how you're "pro-life" and then advocate bombing countries and executing people, not even realising how the entire world laughs at your hypocrisy.

And please, you keep talking about how I'm inflenced by media sensationalism - care to point out which media you mean? Have you ever even seen one minute of non-American TV, or read a foreign language newspaper? Obviously not, you hick bastard. But please, go on living in your fantasy world in which The Times and the FAZ are organs of communism, hell-bent on depicting America - or the "real" America Mrs Palin and her ilk purport to represent - as the devil.

But don't be mad if I go on laughing at you. Because behind all your silly attacks, you haven't denied anything I said: A large part of conservative Americans are stuck, at least in public (while fucking their secretaries on the side), on silly puritan morals from centuries ago, and that little fact is directly linked to the fact that your country has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the civilised world, of which you are ostensibly a part.

[hatepoppy]

arch diddles little boys bc he's catholic!

[420monk]

Who's Nailin' Paylin? 2 could be interesting.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2f/Whos_Nailin_Paylin.jpg

[WET HOT MESS]

What? That better get out in 2 months. I'm not waiting til November.

[hatepoppy]

What? That better get out in 2 months. I'm not waiting til November.
he was talking about the possibility of a sequel.

that shits came out last november.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nailin%27_Paylin

[WET HOT MESS]

whoops

[hatepoppy]

whoopie!

[WET HOT MESS]

cushion

[Rover]

You people talk about how you're "pro-life" and then advocate bombing countries and executing people, not even realising how the entire world laughs at your hypocrisy.You sure do love misconstruing the political meaning of the political slogan "pro-life".

[Okie Medicvet]

It's okay to laugh at tasteless jokes.

damn straight. It's the bill of rights.

[Yelram]

Ah, I'd started to wonder where you'd been; it had been getting weirdly sane here for a while.

And you must be illiterate. Because when have I ever supported Catholic sexual morals? Actually, one of my first posts on GMF was about the idiocy of following morals written by people whose epistemes were foreign enough to us to almost qualify as another species entirely...
And yet you still "follow", I use that term loosely, Catholicism. What exactly do you agree with about Catholicism? I mean if you throw out sexual morality, WTF is left? I suppose teaching children to wait to have sex until they find the person they want to marry isnt part of catholicism? And its some how a bad practice? Is this the same ARCH the goes on decrying the out of control reproduction rates of your arab immigrants?

That's the difference between me and you, or the average Republican, for that matter. I can follow a school of thought without losing the ability to think for myself; I can believe in the basic tenets of Catholicism or democracy, but critique those aspects which I believe to be obsolete or deleterious.

Basic tenets? Last time I checked, sexual morality is a pretty "basic tenet" of catholicism. What "basic tenets" do you follow? I mean beyond saying "i'm catholic" and feeling self-righteous about the historical accomplishments, achitecturally, and otherwise, what exactly makes you a catholic?

You people talk about how you're "pro-life" and then advocate bombing countries and executing people, not even realising how the entire world laughs at your hypocrisy.
Yet it somehow isnt hyprocisy to murder an unborn child without batting an eye, but feel extreme remorse for the deathrow inmate that murdered a family in cold blood. Its alright to leave a group of people under the yolk of oppression because upsetting the status quo may "cause more trouble". But sending our own flesh and blood to liberate a group of people, who our government helped keep under despot rule. Yeah, you can think for yourself.....

And please, you keep talking about how I'm inflenced by media sensationalism - care to point out which media you mean? Have you ever even seen one minute of non-American TV, or read a foreign language newspaper? Obviously not, you hick bastard. But please, go on living in your fantasy world in which The Times and the FAZ are organs of communism, hell-bent on depicting America - or the "real" America Mrs Palin and her ilk purport to represent - as the devil. Media conglomerates are international, if you think language makes a difference, you are a fucking fool.

But don't be mad if I go on laughing at you. Because behind all your silly attacks, you haven't denied anything I said: A large part of conservative Americans are stuck, at least in public (while fucking their secretaries on the side), on silly puritan morals from centuries ago, and that little fact is directly linked to the fact that your country has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the civilised world, of which you are ostensibly a part. And you are apparently absolutely delusional, and seperated from reality if you think the US is "puritanical" in any stretch of the term. If we only had figured out that "modern" sexual morality is the SOLUTION FOR TEEN PREGNANCY!! Lets just see how this works. conservative POV =
1.Pregnancy out of a two gender support system (aka, family) = bad
2.Abortion = bad
So that leads to certain logical conclusions.
You never break 1, and you'll never break 2
You break 1, the least you can do is not break 2
you break 1, and 2, you're a liberal.

Now if a conservative messes up and breaks 1, they are a "hypocrit" because they TRIED to do the right thing. If a liberal does the wrong thing, they arent a hypocrit, because they have lowered the standards for what is OK.

But see, having an abortion doesnt change the TEEN PREGNANCY rate, since they still got pregnant, it does however change the teen birth rate.


So lets see, we have the highest teen pregnancy rate in the civilized world, and you think we are being too conservative in how we approach sex? So your solution for a high rate of teen pregnancy is more teen sex? So I suppose those 50% of the people in this country that lean somewhat conservatively need to just realize that if they started not caring about young teens having sex, that the teen pregnancy rate would go down right? What exactly is your solution ARCH? Because as usual, you sound like you're blowing smoke out your ass, and spewing your usual "hate the US" drivel.

[hatepoppy]

yelram is so right its fucking scary.

[hatepoppy]

did i say right?

i meant flat fucking retarded.

[420monk]

But Palin declined Letterman’s offer to appear on his show, saying “it would be wise to keep Willow away from” him.

After that, I can't wait to see Letterman tonight.

[WET HOT MESS]

I don't think Palin is even paying attention to what the other side is saying or doing.

[420monk]

It was funny that the Letterman/Palin subject came up on the Today show after Lauer asked Palin about the Alaska pipeline issue.

[mongo]

i actually feel a little bad for letterman. he's taking the heat for his writers taste in jokes.

[hatepoppy]

or he's ecstatic that he's gettin a dickload of free pub (i.e. the today show, this thread).

[fuldstændigamok]

What? That better get out in 2 months. I'm not waiting til November.

Monk ALWAYS get his stuff way before the official release date though, so you shouldn't worry.

[Archangel]

Basic tenets? Last time I checked, sexual morality is a pretty "basic tenet" of catholicism. What "basic tenets" do you follow? I mean beyond saying "i'm catholic" and feeling self-righteous about the historical accomplishments, achitecturally, and otherwise, what exactly makes you a catholic?

Find me a passage in which Jesus Christ preaches abstinence, and I may concede that you have something approximating a point.

Yet it somehow isnt hyprocisy to murder an unborn child without batting an eye, but feel extreme remorse for the deathrow inmate that murdered a family in cold blood.

Then call yourselves "right to UNBORN life". You can't have the cake and eat it.

But sending our own flesh and blood to liberate a group of people, who our government helped keep under despot rule. Yeah, you can think for yourself..

Ah, the nazis again. Nobody ever says "you arseholes invented interstate highways and the internal combustion engine"... Or is it? You couldn't be talking about Iraq, right?

Also, I was obviously around for the elections in '33. What the fuck does some shit that happened nearly a century ago have to do again with MY ability to see that American "conservatives" are a bunch of sheep?



Media conglomerates are international, if you think language makes a difference, you are a fucking fool.

I asked you for an example. You refuse to give one and speak in retarded generalities.

And you are apparently absolutely delusional, and seperated from reality if you think the US is "puritanical" in any stretch of the term. If we only had figured out that "modern" sexual morality is the SOLUTION FOR TEEN PREGNANCY!! Lets just see how this works. conservative POV =
1.Pregnancy out of a two gender support system (aka, family) = bad
2.Abortion = bad
So that leads to certain logical conclusions.
You never break 1, and you'll never break 2
You break 1, the least you can do is not break 2
you break 1, and 2, you're a liberal.

Now if a conservative messes up and breaks 1, they are a "hypocrit" because they TRIED to do the right thing. If a liberal does the wrong thing, they arent a hypocrit, because they have lowered the standards for what is OK.

But see, having an abortion doesnt change the TEEN PREGNANCY rate, since they still got pregnant, it does however change the teen birth rate.


So lets see, we have the highest teen pregnancy rate in the civilized world, and you think we are being too conservative in how we approach sex? So your solution for a high rate of teen pregnancy is more teen sex? So I suppose those 50% of the people in this country that lean somewhat conservatively need to just realize that if they started not caring about young teens having sex, that the teen pregnancy rate would go down right? What exactly is your solution ARCH? Because as usual, you sound like you're blowing smoke out your ass, and spewing your usual "hate the US" drivel.

Blah, blah, blah.

God, you're an idiot.

Do you know why young people have to take driving exams before being issued a licence?

So they know what the fuck they're doing, and are less likely to screw up. Dumb shit is still going to happen for the simple reason that people (especially kids) are fucking stupid, but education lowers the likelihood of incidents.
If young people approach sex knowing nothing about it, incidents are more likely to happen than if they've had detailed sex ed since they were 11.

Seriously, you act like you've never heard of, say, condoms or the Pill before. What does happen to a 15 year old girl trying to get a prescription in a Red State anyway? Do you burn her at the stake, or stone her? Or, hey, tell people about oral se... oh, wait, you can't, since it's still illegal as "sodomy" in half your fucking country.

In your country, putting a condom dispenser in a high school is a "controversy". You know how civilised people call that?

The middle fucking ages.

[Archangel]

Oh, but I forgot, you love puritan morals so much that you came up with that glorious success that was Prohibition...


I just imagine Yelram the Elder defending the moral rightness of that faggotry in Al Capone's heyday.

[hatepoppy]

i got my ollady pregnant exactly when i wanted to, though we had been fucking on the reg for 8 years prior, with no condoms!. how?

two flavors of oral contraception. she would take the pill, i would pull out and bust on her face/in her mouth. worked out well for everybody!

im absolutely fucking certain i would not have made it 8 yrs if i was bustin in her sniz on the reg, pill or no. moral of the story, as arch pointed out, facials aint never got noone not unpregnant.

[Archangel]

There's no placenta in the sigmoid colon, either.

[hatepoppy]

Oh, but I forgot, you love puritan morals so much that you came up with that glorious success that was Prohibition...


I just imagine Yelram the Elder defending the moral rightness of that faggotry in Al Capone's heyday.
lulz at a double post, where arch berates yelram for typifying his country using events a hundred years past in the first post and typifies our country after the same fashion.

i mean, sure, yelram's being retarded. but arch's still a half dipshit for that one.

[Archangel]

You sure do love misconstruing the political meaning of the political slogan "pro-life".

It's designed to sound holier than thou by being deliberately universal and misleading. If I had a slogan called "racial equality" and only meant between whites and blacks while advocating the oppression of S Americans or Asians, I'd be a hypocrite.

[Archangel]

lulz at a double post, where arch berates yelram for typifying his country using events a hundred years past in the first post and typifies our country after the same fashion.

i mean, sure, yelram's being retarded. but arch's still a half dipshit for that one.

Unlike his retarded rant, my point pertains to the issue, though.

Namely, that puritan morals are a crock of shit, and that their application to modern society necessiter results in disaster. That shit went out of fashion with the FIRST Queen Elizabeth.

[fuldstændigamok]

lulz at a double post, where arch berates yelram for typifying his country using events a hundred years past in the first post and typifies our country after the same fashion.

i mean, sure, yelram's being retarded. but arch's still a half dipshit for that one.

Don't you dare calling arch a half dipshit, you scared pussy.

[420monk]

When you go to the Palin's home for a visit, Sarah will take you on a tour and when you get to the bedrooms she'll just say "this is where the magic happens". RAW DOG!

[Pox]

Its unbelieveable the amount of sandy vaginas this thread has produced. This is still GMF right? And were offended by a joke about nailing a 14 year old? Fuck.

[The GWD]

Nailing 14 year olds isn't any kind of joke at all.

It's a way of life.

[HAWK]

Its unbelieveable the amount of sandy vaginas this thread has produced. This is still GMF right? And were offended by a joke about nailing a 14 year old? Fuck.

Exactly. When did this nation become a bunch of pussies?!? Everyone, I mean everyone, needs to toughen the fuck up. Everyone's offended about every damn thing said or down these days. Fucking crybabies. If this is the worst thing we ever hear about someone then the world is doing pretty damn good.

My response: SO?

[Yelram]

Find me a passage in which Jesus Christ preaches abstinence, and I may concede that you have something approximating a point.
Oh god, have you ever heard of this religion, its called Judaism. Sexual purity is kind of a staple. I'm pretty sure Jesus was a Jew, and followed/taught Talmudic law. Mr Hermeneutics.



Then call yourselves "right to UNBORN life". You can't have the cake and eat it.I dont call myself anything, I am against abortion being practiced, especially in circumstances where convenience is the issue. I'm not against it being legal, because If a woman wants to make that decision and live with it, thats her deal. I'm against STATE SPONSORED abortion.



Ah, the nazis again. Nobody ever says "you arseholes invented interstate highways and the internal combustion engine"... Or is it? You couldn't be talking about Iraq, right?
I'm talking about Iraq.

Also, I was obviously around for the elections in '33. What the fuck does some shit that happened nearly a century ago have to do again with MY ability to see that American "conservatives" are a bunch of sheep?
Its funny how you are so quick to credit yourself with every German accomplishment from the last 500 years, but the '33 elections were someone else.



I asked you for an example. You refuse to give one and speak in retarded generalities.An example of a media conglomerate? Or a newspaper that I read in a language I dont know? I read articles from the BBC pretty often, but I guess that doesnt count because its not in German?


Blah, blah, blah.

God, you're an idiot.

Do you know why young people have to take driving exams before being issued a licence?

So they know what the fuck they're doing, and are less likely to screw up. Dumb shit is still going to happen for the simple reason that people (especially kids) are fucking stupid, but education lowers the likelihood of incidents.
If young people approach sex knowing nothing about it, incidents are more likely to happen than if they've had detailed sex ed since they were 11.

Seriously, you act like you've never heard of, say, condoms or the Pill before. What does happen to a 15 year old girl trying to get a prescription in a Red State anyway? Do you burn her at the stake, or stone her? Or, hey, tell people about oral se... oh, wait, you can't, since it's still illegal as "sodomy" in half your fucking country.

In your country, putting a condom dispenser in a high school is a "controversy". You know how civilised people call that?

The middle fucking ages.


Dude you are a fucking nutter. I was taught in 4th grade about birth control, the proper use of a condom, and the higher likelihood of getting a venereal disease from anal sex. I really dont think that you could teach a kid any more about sex, any younger(except for maybe claydon). What is important is making them realize that being irresponsible has consequences.

And seriously retard, how many unplanned pregnancies do you know of where the people didnt understand proper use of a condom? Your logic is so fucking flawed it scares me.

Oral sex is illegal in half my country? What the fuck, have you been stealing some of taters stupid pills? You either have to be purposely being facetious, or you've had a mild stroke, and somehow confused old state statutes left on the books because federal law makes them obsolete as laws that would still hold up in court.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas

They should make a sodomy law in Germany about uppity ambassadors sons, and talking out of their ass.

[misterfatt]

willow and bristol palin are just as fair-game as jamie-lynn spears and miley cyrus.

deal with it, you blabbering vaginas.

[noahsdove]

eHfJM7bMkac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHfJM7bMkac


What did you guys think about what David Letterman said about Sarah Palin's daughter? There seems to be uproar about his comments. He has not offered to apologize for his comment.

As a parent I think what he said would have made me mad, I think all of here would defend our children in any event like this one. From my understanding he didn't distinguish between which of her girls he mean even though the I think the public would know it was the daughter that has already had a child out of wedlock.

The joke Letterman made was in a distasteful manner in my opinion, this girl is 18 years old and not in a position to defend herself in the public light. The reasoning behind this is politics; Letterman doesn't care very much for the Republican Party and didn't think highly of Palin when she ran alongside John McCain for the presidential election. If Letterman has an issue with the Palin and or the Republican Party then he should aim his jokes directly at Palin and not her children. They have no control in what their parents do but seem to catch a lot of jokes and criticism. Although, she is 18 that doesn't give Letterman the right to deface her reputation and throw off on her personal situation.

I think David Letterman should take a long look at his life, what besides comedy has he contributed to help anyone. Has he lived a perfect life and done everything in the right manner I bet not. So for him to make nasty little jokes about an 18 year girl because of what her mother does is sad and pathetic.

He is a comedian, she is a celebrity now. Tough shit. Get used to it. If mommy is going to run for vp then deal. The Obamas are in the news daily about what they do and they are also the brunt of a lot of jokes. Its called humor. Take a pill and relax.
If you cant, then stay out of the spotlight.

[Yelram]

He is a comedian, she is a celebrity now. Tough shit. Get used to it. If mommy is going to run for vp then deal. The Obamas are in the news daily about what they do and they are also the brunt of a lot of jokes. Its called humor. Take a pill and relax.
If you cant, then stay out of the spotlight.

Please show me any time they have been the "brunt" of a lot of jokes.

[Pox]

Its hard to tell. There aren't any good conservative comedians.

[hatepoppy]

Unlike his retarded rant, my point pertains to the issue, though.

Namely, that puritan morals are a crock of shit, and that their application to modern society necessiter results in disaster. That shit went out of fashion with the FIRST Queen Elizabeth.

while i see your point, and concede the relevance of the spirit of your commentary, there is no denying the irony. i mean, you could have used a modern manifestation of said puritanism such as MADD, 'the war on drugs', etc to make your point.

[420monk]

Palin opened up all jabs when she karted her pregnant non-abstaining teenager around during the election. Alaskan girls are easy.

And now let's welcome the "Palin Baby Factory" to the stage.

[heelsguy]

willow and bristol palin are just as fair-game as jamie-lynn spears and miley cyrus.

deal with it, you blabbering vaginas.
the difference is spears and cyrus are promoting themselves every single day. they seek the white-hot spotlight and pay publicists to do that..

Willow is just part of her parents' family. what the hell did she do to anybody? she does not have a tv show on the Disney Channel.

[Debo]

Palin opened up all jabs when she karted her pregnant non-abstaining teenager around during the election. Alaskan girls are easy.

And now let's welcome the "Palin Baby Factory" to the stage.

Yes, because a good parent leaves their child at home when they go out of town.

[Insomniac]

the difference is spears and cyrus are promoting themselves every single day. they seek the white-hot spotlight and pay publicists to do that..

Willow is just part of her parents' family. what the hell did she do to anybody? she does not have a tv show on the Disney Channel.

I don't see how anyone can assume he was referencing the less famous daughter.

[Genius]

Against political correctness until the bitter end. Or until someone under their own umbrella gets targeted. Every time I hear about the "liberal political correctness agenda, and how it's turned our nation into a bunch of pussies", I'll point to this thread.

[Debo]

Against political correctness until the bitter end. Or until someone under their own umbrella gets targeted. Every time I hear about the "liberal political correctness agenda, and how it's turned our nation into a bunch of pussies", I'll point to this thread.

The bigger question is: Why is the left still obsessed with Palin and her family? And even better question is: Why are the children of elected officials fair game for the late night shows? Even Obama has said that politicians families should be off limits, especially their children.

The party of acceptance and tolerance my ass.

[Soup Nazi]

The bigger question is: Why is the left still obsessed with Palin and her family? And even better question is: Why are the children of elected officials fair game for the late night shows? Even Obama has said that politicians families should be off limits, especially their children.

The party of acceptance and tolerance my ass.

Children of elected officials are fair game when they become an adult and decide to go on cable television doing interviews, speak at town hall meetings and pose for the cover of People magazine. That to me moves them outside of the "protected family" sphere, and into the "public figure" sphere.

[Insomniac]

The bigger question is: Why is the left still obsessed with Palin and her family? And even better question is: Why are the children of elected officials fair game for the late night shows? Even Obama has said that politicians families should be off limits, especially their children.

The party of acceptance and tolerance my ass.

Because she trotted them out and publicized them all, especially Bristol, especially while Bristol was pregnant. Because she continues to behave like a reality TV star rather than a governor of a state and get in petty spats with her granddaughter's baby daddy and keeping her family's personal life in the news to stay politically nationally relevant.

And again, Carter and Clinton's brothers were fine to talk about since they were grown men, even when they weren't doing anything that affected the presidency.

[420monk]

Yes, because a good parent leaves their child at home when they go out of town.The pregnant 17 year old could have stayed at home and out of the limelight. A good parent usually can trust a 17 year old at home. She could'nt get knocked up again, so no worries.

Did Cheney kart around is carpet munching daughter? We knew about her and that's it.

[Debo]

Because she trotted them out and publicized them all, especially Bristol, especially while Bristol was pregnant. Because she continues to behave like a reality TV star rather than a governor of a state and get in petty spats with her granddaughter's baby daddy and keeping her family's personal life in the news to stay politically nationally relevant.

She didn't "trot" her out and publicize her, the media did. I am pretty sure that the Palin camp didn't issue a press release saying that their daughter got knocked up.

Yes, family drama always generates good press for politicians. Are you fucking serious?

Beyond that, Letterman hasn't been funny in over a decade. The biggest outrage is that he is still on TV.

[Debo]

Children of elected officials are fair game when they become an adult and decide to go on cable television doing interviews, speak at town hall meetings and pose for the cover of People magazine. That to me moves them outside of the "protected family" sphere, and into the "public figure" sphere.

Did you have a problem with all of the stories about her before she did any of that? Probably not.

[Soup Nazi]

Did you have a problem with all of the stories about her before she did any of that? Probably not.

I don't know how this became a discussion about my value system, but I will bite anyway. I would not have a problem with any stories on Bristol before she was an adult if they were practically puff pieces, or essentially just bringing to light the fact she was knocked up and how this may clash with her mother's platform as a power player in the Republican Party. If they went into details and such, then that was probably going overboard. If they alluded that a New York Yankee committed statutory rape on her, that would probably be something more suited for GMF than CBS and I would have a minor problem with it.

However, to get back to the main crux of the issue "Is Bristol Palin fair play?", I would say she is. A public figure, in her particular situation should be fair to zing on a late night talk show. She does TV interviews, does town hall meetings, and poses for People Magazine for fucks sake. If she's not asking for a lame zinger now and again, who is?

[mdaddyrabbit]

Not that anyone cares, Bill Oreilly is talking about this tonight, in fact in 5 minutes. You can catch it again at 11:00 EST if its something you would like to see.

[Insomniac]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317577,00.html


On the pinhead front, 16-year-old Jamie Lynn Spears is pregnant. The sister of Britney says she is shocked. I bet.

Now most teens are pinheads in some ways. But here the blame falls primarily on the parents of the girl, who obviously have little control over her or even over Britney Spears. Look at the way she behaves.

[Genius]

That's beautiful. Way to go, Bill.

[heelsguy]

I don't see how anyone can assume he was referencing the less famous daughter.


well let's see....he said sarah palin and her daughter attended the yankees game and a-rod knocked her up...and only the 14 yr old attended the game. again, I KNOW he meant to take a shot at the older daughter, but what he did was look like he was taking a shot at the 14 yr old. as I said 4 pages ago, all he had to do was admit he/his writers did not check their facts well enough.

[Genius]

Who gives a fuck which one it was about? For being the anti-political correctness party, you Republicans sure are a bunch of whiny pussies. Remember this the next time Al Sharpton asks for an apology about something ridiculous.

[Debo]

Who gives a fuck which one it was about? For being the anti-political correctness party, you Republicans sure are a bunch of whiny pussies. Remember this the next time Al Sharpton asks for an apology about something ridiculous.

Yes, the right complaining about an isolated incident and Al Sharpton being a race baiting asshole for 30 years are on even ground.

Seriously? That is the best that you can do?

What would you say if Rush called one of Obama's kids a nappy headed ho on Monday? Would you shrug it off, or would you rise up in anger over the injustice that just happened? Would you boycott his sponsors? Lead a protest outside of his radio station? I don't see Palin or anyone on the right advocating any of Sharpton's usual tactics.

My beef is with his lame ass apology, the lefts obvious double standards and the fact that anyone considers Letterman funny at all.

[heelsguy]

Who gives a fuck which one it was about? For being the anti-political correctness party, you Republicans sure are a bunch of whiny pussies. Remember this the next time Al Sharpton asks for an apology about something ridiculous.


you cannot take shots at innocent 14 year olds.

would you be singing the same tune if letterman had made some disgusting joke about what obama's kids did while their mom and dad flew to new york for their "date night" last week? oh that's right. he's a miniority, and letterman's white. plus their democrats.

[UNC]

I'd hit it

[Genius]

The argument isn't, "what would you do if...", the argument is, Republicans decry political correctness as the downfall of Western civilization, but when one of their own is attacked, it seems to suit them just fine. You're both right, if someone made a joke about Obama's kids, there would be a shitstorm. And the whole time, the Right would say, "it wasn't THAT bad" and "I don't see what the big deal is" and "we've gotten WAY too over-sensitive in this country", and they would generally tell Democrats to shut the fuck up. So shut the fuck up.

[Archangel]

Oh god, have you ever heard of this religion, its called Judaism. Sexual purity is kind of a staple. I'm pretty sure Jesus was a Jew, and followed/taught Talmudic law. Mr Hermeneutics.


No, you dumb mother fucker, He explicitly rejected Talmudic law in cases where He thought it was inhuman.

Seriously, have you never heard of Mary Magdalene?



I dont call myself anything, I am against abortion being practiced, especially in circumstances where convenience is the issue. I'm not against it being legal, because If a woman wants to make that decision and live with it, thats her deal. I'm against STATE SPONSORED abortion.

Okay, so not you personally. Still, anybody who calls his movement "right to life" and cheers the killing of civilians in Iraq should be fucking shot.


I'm talking about Iraq.

Then you are insane. "Sent our flesh and blood to liberate the oppressed", indeed! As if Bush and Cheney were even capable of such nobility.

"Cynically wasted our kids' lives to secure oil" is more like it. But be a good sheep, and believe what FOX tells you.



Its funny how you are so quick to credit yourself with every German accomplishment from the last 500 years, but the '33 elections were someone else.

Well, I DID invent the space rocket.


An example of a media conglomerate? Or a newspaper that I read in a language I dont know? I read articles from the BBC pretty often, but I guess that doesnt count because its not in German?

No, I asked you for an example of foreign media conglomerates spouting anti-American "propaganda", the influence of which I am ostensibly under.


Dude you are a fucking nutter. I was taught in 4th grade about birth control, the proper use of a condom, and the higher likelihood of getting a venereal disease from anal sex. I really dont think that you could teach a kid any more about sex, any younger(except for maybe claydon). What is important is making them realize that being irresponsible has consequences.

No, YOU teach them that if they have impure thoughts, they will burn in hell, and that sex is evil and should never be talked about, much less had.

And seriously retard, how many unplanned pregnancies do you know of where the people didnt understand proper use of a condom? Your logic is so fucking flawed it scares me.

Considering the average American youth doesn't understand the proper use of a paper cup, I'd say quite a lot.

Oral sex is illegal in half my country? What the fuck, have you been stealing some of taters stupid pills? You either have to be purposely being facetious, or you've had a mild stroke, and somehow confused old state statutes left on the books because federal law makes them obsolete as laws that would still hold up in court.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas

Oh, so you left middle age laws on your books ONLY until 2003. Bravo. Next, you're gonna allow drinking in public and titties on TV. Welcome to the 20th century.

They should make a sodomy law in Germany about uppity ambassadors sons, and talking out of their ass.

You see, a diplomat's son can't ever be "uppity", since that implies having ideas above one's station.

Fucking hick peasants, on the other hand, are a different story.

[hatepoppy]

christ debo is a cunt.

[Archangel]

She didn't "trot" her out and publicize her, the media did.

Yes.

People fucking magazine dragged her out of her home and forced her to be on their cover. Sure.

Stop protecting the cunt daughter of a hick cunt politician, lest people think that you like to associate with cunts.

[hatepoppy]

smell like dogshit? taste like dogshit? must be dogshit.

[Lone Wolf]

When did people start caring about what Letterman said again?

[hatepoppy]

he really is the heartbeat of the nation.

[Hobnail_Boot]

My 2 cents: The Palins are right here. Letterman's "joke" was in bad taste and he should be criticized for it. Parents have the right to stick up for their kids and that is all that Sarah and Todd Palin did. The criticism that the Palins have received from liberal pundits (i.e., Olbermann et al.) just for sticking up for their daughter(s) is outrageous.

[mdaddyrabbit]

I don’t think anyone takes David Letterman serious most of the time, he is a comedian of sorts but the attention he has brought to himself is due to the age of the girls he made light of. Some think that it’s distasteful to make comments about anyone under the age of 21. Some folks think it’s distasteful to speak as he did about a lady. I for one think he should had passed on that particular joke. He approves everything that is written. Over the past years Letterman’s comedy has been replaced with politics, this is what happens when you are on top of your game, you tend to spew out things that you shouldn’t because of confidence in your personality. I don’t think this will be a career ender for him but I think it will affect his following and audience. I think if he would have made a complete sincere apology to Palin, and her girls this would be over and history. I think he has too much pride to do this. Pride will sometimes carry things too far and cause other problems.
Everyone knows that when you put yourself in front of the camera and allow television to become part of your life you are opening up yourself to viewer opinion and spilling your business to the world. The only drawback in this situation is that Palin’s daughters did not ask to be thrush into the limelight of society they had no call in the decision. Maybe politicians should realize how their families will be affected before they jump into the circus of office. I have no idea what these girls were taught growing up, I know the same as you guys, what I see on television and print.
One of the issues that stand out to me with this situation and other similar situations is how we have become a society of instant communication. Television has replaced the family time with information that most children shouldn’t see. We are an instant demand nation, as soon as news happens we know it that is a plus but also has a dark side. This creates a wealth of reporters and press that are itching to find a headline story. This pushes them into the personal lives of people and their privacy. No one has any privacy compared to the past, everything the celebrities do anything its on a program or the news. At what point do we cross the line? I think unless children are directly staring in a show, movie or television program they should be off limits to the press. We as adults must protect our children at all cost.
Bottom line is Letterman has not done as bad as some celebrities but should realize that society has called him on this one and his best move would be to formally apologize to the Palin family and put this to bed so the media will stop feeding the frenzy.

[HAWK]

My 2 cents: The Palins are right here. Letterman's "joke" was in bad taste and he should be criticized for it. Parents have the right to stick up for their kids and that is all that Sarah and Todd Palin did. The criticism that the Palins have received from liberal pundits (i.e., Olbermann et al.) just for sticking up for their daughter(s) is outrageous.

You're right... the Palins had every right to stick up to whomever they want. I'm complaining about the media's attention and outcry. We as a society need to stop paying such attention this trivial bullshit.

[Archangel]

I don’t think anyone takes David Letterman serious most of the time, he is a comedian of sorts but the attention he has brought to himself is due to the age of the girls he made light of. Some think that it’s distasteful to make comments about anyone under the age of 21. Some folks think it’s distasteful to speak as he did about a lady. I for one think he should had passed on that particular joke. He approves everything that is written. Over the past years Letterman’s comedy has been replaced with politics, this is what happens when you are on top of your game, you tend to spew out things that you shouldn’t because of confidence in your personality. I don’t think this will be a career ender for him but I think it will affect his following and audience. I think if he would have made a complete sincere apology to Palin, and her girls this would be over and history. I think he has too much pride to do this. Pride will sometimes carry things too far and cause other problems.
Everyone knows that when you put yourself in front of the camera and allow television to become part of your life you are opening up yourself to viewer opinion and spilling your business to the world. The only drawback in this situation is that Palin’s daughters did not ask to be thrush into the limelight of society they had no call in the decision. Maybe politicians should realize how their families will be affected before they jump into the circus of office. I have no idea what these girls were taught growing up, I know the same as you guys, what I see on television and print.
One of the issues that stand out to me with this situation and other similar situations is how we have become a society of instant communication. Television has replaced the family time with information that most children shouldn’t see. We are an instant demand nation, as soon as news happens we know it that is a plus but also has a dark side. This creates a wealth of reporters and press that are itching to find a headline story. This pushes them into the personal lives of people and their privacy. No one has any privacy compared to the past, everything the celebrities do anything its on a program or the news. At what point do we cross the line? I think unless children are directly staring in a show, movie or television program they should be off limits to the press. We as adults must protect our children at all cost.
Bottom line is Letterman has not done as bad as some celebrities but should realize that society has called him on this one and his best move would be to formally apologize to the Palin family and put this to bed so the media will stop feeding the frenzy.

Dude, what's with the size and font?

Also, fuck that shit. Because Rush or Coulter will never apologise for any of the hateful shit they spew about other people.

[fuldstændigamok]

Dude, what's with the size and font?



Copy/pasta?

[Archangel]

Probably. As retarded as that shit was, it's still better than anything he could have come up with by himself.

[mdaddyrabbit]

Dude, what's with the size and font?

Also, fuck that shit. Because Rush or Coulter will never apologise for any of the hateful shit they spew about other people.


I typed this in word so I could check my spelling then cut and pasted. I never said anything about Rush or Coulter, both are quick to assume and really out there at times. I don't get caught up in what they say either unless its something that is against my morals.

[Debo]

The argument isn't, "what would you do if...", the argument is, Republicans decry political correctness as the downfall of Western civilization, but when one of their own is attacked, it seems to suit them just fine. You're both right, if someone made a joke about Obama's kids, there would be a shitstorm. And the whole time, the Right would say, "it wasn't THAT bad" and "I don't see what the big deal is" and "we've gotten WAY too over-sensitive in this country", and they would generally tell Democrats to shut the fuck up. So shut the fuck up.

The downfall of Western civilization? WTF? Who has ever said that? I can think of a hundred things that are more important than political correctness.

So Palin is like Al Sharpton and South Park is killing the Western civilization as we know it?

I just want to make sure that I am following what you are saying.

[Debo]

I don't know how this became a discussion about my value system, but I will bite anyway. I would not have a problem with any stories on Bristol before she was an adult if they were practically puff pieces, or essentially just bringing to light the fact she was knocked up and how this may clash with her mother's platform as a power player in the Republican Party. If they went into details and such, then that was probably going overboard. If they alluded that a New York Yankee committed statutory rape on her, that would probably be something more suited for GMF than CBS and I would have a minor problem with it.

However, to get back to the main crux of the issue "Is Bristol Palin fair play?", I would say she is. A public figure, in her particular situation should be fair to zing on a late night talk show. She does TV interviews, does town hall meetings, and poses for People Magazine for fucks sake. If she's not asking for a lame zinger now and again, who is?

I asked the question because you said that she put herself in the limelight, which makes her fair game. However, you also said that you don't have a problem with "puff pieces" about her before she put herself in the limelight.

I am simply highlighting the fact that it wouldn't matter to you or anyone else whether or not she put herself out there. You simply dislike the Palin family and you don't have a problem taking shots at any of them.

I am all for taking shots at dumbass people on reality TV, politicians, musicians, actors, actresses, or anyone else that is an attention whore. But Letterman took a shot at the wrong kid (Most would assume that he was talking about the older daughter, but she wasn't at the game. A certain level of due diligence should be performed by his staff). If he wants to crack jokes about her apperance on the cover of People mag, fine. But don't fuck up and then say "Oooh, my bad. I was talking about the other daughter."

And any notion that Letterman is objective at all should be dismissed. His obsession with Palin and his interview with Bill O'Reilly are exibits A and B. At least Jon Stewart doesn't hide the fact that he is a left-wing hack.

[TheImpossibleMan]

Don't be so disingenuous, Deb, and try and pretend like people (usually conservatives) haven't been bitching and moaning about how terrible political correctness is for...ever, basically.

[Debo]

Don't be so disingenuous, Deb, and try and pretend like people (usually conservatives) haven't been bitching and moaning about how terrible political correctness is for...ever, basically.

That is true. But I don't think that this is a case of PC. It is a case of Letterman being lazy, writing poor jokes and pushing his agenda.

For the record, I could care less if people want to be PC or if they don't want to be PC. I am not, but I am not going to force that on someone else.

How does everyone feel about Hillary going after MSNBC for saying that they were "Pimping out" Chelsea on the campaign trail? I mean, she had it coming...right?
http://www.nytimes.com/images/promos/politics/blog/09blog-clinton-letter.pdf

Here is the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2St8qoXx1g

And the apology:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmFJ-VQNe5Q

[Genius]

The downfall of Western civilization? WTF? Who has ever said that? I can think of a hundred things that are more important than political correctness.

So Palin is like Al Sharpton and South Park is killing the Western civilization as we know it?

I just want to make sure that I am following what you are saying.
I'm not arguing here specifically against you, but against the idea that PC commentary is not just a liberal phenomenon, but is instead utilized by both sides when convenient. And no one is killing Western civilization, not Sharpton when he gets too much attention, not South Park when people take them too seriously, and certainly not Dave Letterman when he makes a vaguely inappropriate joke. If your side asks us to lighten the fuck up, then you had best be ready to lighten the fuck up yourself.

[Debo]

I'm not arguing here specifically against you, but against the idea that PC commentary is not just a liberal phenomenon, but is instead utilized by both sides when convenient. And no one is killing Western civilization, not Sharpton when he gets too much attention, not South Park when people take them too seriously, and certainly not Dave Letterman when he makes a vaguely inappropriate joke. If your side asks us to lighten the fuck up, then you had best be ready to lighten the fuck up yourself.

I agree with almost everything that you just said.

My main problem is the double standard that is being applied. When Hillary Clinton was put in the same situation (See links in post above), she subjected Shuster and MSNBC to the wrath of the Clinton machine. The only difference between her situation and Palin's is that Clinton has more resources at her disposal.

Do you think that Hillary was right or wrong to do what she did? Did Chelsea, who was out campaigning for her mother and well over the age of 18, not put herself out there, thus making her fair game for criticism?

Maybe both sides need to STFU*.

* For the record I do not consider myself a part of the GOP. My views are much more aligned with the Libertarian party then the Republican party.

[vasili denisov]

What would you say if Rush called one of Obama's kids a nappy headed ho on Monday?
There the joke would be entirely based on appearance, rather than actions; there's a distinction between someone making fun of the Bush daughters' drinking and calling them no ass bitches. In this case, you can take the joke either way. It's either about Willow (everybody in the family gets pregnant early) or Bristol (she can't go anywhere without getting pregnant).

Anyway, Bristol's pregnancy was labeled by the RNC as a blessed event and a cause for celebration, and she got knocked up by a dropout with few potential job skills; what's wrong with saying the other daughter is going to be impregnated by someone with a multi-million salary? Wouldn't such an insemination be an even bigger cause of celebration?

[Debo]

There the joke would be entirely based on appearance, rather than actions; there's a distinction between someone making fun of the Bush daughters' drinking and calling them no ass bitches. In this case, you can take the joke either way. It's either about Willow (everybody in the family gets pregnant early) or Bristol (she can't go anywhere without getting pregnant).

Anyway, Bristol's pregnancy was labeled by the RNC as a blessed event and a cause for celebration, and she got knocked up by a dropout with few potential job skills; what's wrong with saying the other daughter is going to be impregnated by someone with a multi-million salary? Wouldn't such an insemination be an even bigger cause of celebration?

I picked that example because it was the most unrealistic statement that had a tie to reality. Obviously throwing race into the equation is a whole different ballgame. But, you conveniently ignored the actions of Hillary Clinton that I highlighted before. Please tell me what the difference is between the actions of Ms. Clinton and Ms. Palin. I would love to know.

[Archangel]

One didn't have a mother who was touted as the saviour of conservative politics by being "one of us" in the worst possible literal sense?

[Debo]

One didn't have a mother who was touted as the saviour of conservative politics by being "one of us" in the worst possible literal sense?

So Clinton is allowed to defend her daughter because she is a liberal? This somehow allows her to behave differently than someone that is "one of us"?

If it is okay for Clinton to defend her daughter by unleashing the hounds, then it is okay for Palin to issue a press release saying that what Letterman said is inappropriate. Palin's defense is tame compared to what Hillary did (I can't remember whether or not she pulled her debate from MSNBC, but she threatened to do it).

[heelsguy]

if palin's older daughter had actually been the daughter attending the game, I actually would have not had THAT big of a problem with the joke. she was indeed on People magazine. But she wasn't and I am still waiting for Letterman to simply say he/his writers screwed up.

I agree with Genius in that the PC of the nation has gotten ridiculous, but in this case the shot was uncalled for.

[Das Kahlua]

There the joke would be entirely based on appearance, rather than actions; there's a distinction between someone making fun of the Bush daughters' drinking and calling them no ass bitches. In this case, you can take the joke either way. It's either about Willow (everybody in the family gets pregnant early) or Bristol (she can't go anywhere without getting pregnant).

And it's not funny either way.

Anyway, Bristol's pregnancy was labeled by the RNC as a blessed event and a cause for celebration, and she got knocked up by a dropout with few potential job skills; what's wrong with saying the other daughter is going to be impregnated by someone with a multi-million salary? Wouldn't such an insemination be an even bigger cause of celebration?

The family called it 'a blessing' because it sounded better than saying 'oh fuck, doesn't that dumb bitch know how to use the pill?'

If you have to go back and explain what you really meant to say behind a joke, like when John Kerry made his 'joke' about how people who can't afford college will get stuck going to Iraq, you probably shouldn't say it in the first place. Letterman could get up on stage and say "Sarah Palin. George Bush. Dick Cheney. Rush Limbaugh." and people would laugh and boo. People who don't like these people to begin with will laugh at any joke directed at them, whether it's funny or not; the same is true for hardcore Clinton/Obama haters when people like Hannity or Rush take shots at them. It still doesn't make said 'jokes' funny.

One didn't have a mother who was touted as the saviour of conservative politics by being "one of us" in the worst possible literal sense?

No, that title was reserved for her father, if you substitue 'liberal' for 'conservative.'

[jemeske]

How was Bill Clinton a liberal savior? He wasn't even that popular with liberals. Savior for the Democratic Party, maybe, but not liberals.

Also, both the HRC and Palin reaction were pretty over the top--Palin going on and on about child abuse and whatnot and Clinton pseudo boycotting MSNBC and the other hissy fit reactions. They've chosen to be public figures, which can from time to time draw their families into it for jokes that more or may not suit our tastes (politically or comedically).

Palin should have put out a simple statement saying she thought the joke was in poor taste and that her family should be off limits. Instead she's helped keep the story alive (which some will say is part of her agenda).

[Das Kahlua]

How was Bill Clinton a liberal savior? He wasn't even that popular with liberals. Savior for the Democratic Party, maybe, but not liberals.

Fair enough, but often (too often, perhaps) all Democrats are made synonymous with liberals, and vice versa. This is certainly also the case with Republicans and conservatives. One should not read too much into any popularity that Palin has had with the Republican party, and certainly shouldn't assume that all true conservatives are as much in love with her as talking heads like Hannity are.

Also, both the HRC and Palin reaction were pretty over the top--Palin going on and on about child abuse and whatnot and Clinton pseudo boycotting MSNBC and the other hissy fit reactions. They've chosen to be public figures, which can from time to time draw their families into it for jokes that more or may not suit our tastes (politically or comedically).

Agreed. My biggest issue isn't with any coverage or criticism of Palin, it's the lack of context that said coverage/criticism is placed in.

Palin should have put out a simple statement saying she thought the joke was in poor taste and that her family should be off limits. Instead she's helped keep the story alive (which some will say is part of her agenda).

Well, she did--at first. Then, of course, it became more of a story and then all hell broke loose. Everyone had to put their 2 cents in, whether condemning Letterman and every liberal in the same breath, or saying that Palin can't take a simple joke, ironic since she was a walking joke, and on and on.

[mdaddyrabbit]

The escalation of this event would have not been half as bad if the media would have only reported the initial remark and rebuttal. The media of today only looks for scandals and turmoil between people and countries.

[IdiotBrain]

This is sensationalist crap, and doesn't warrant a thread, let alone a 6 page thread.

[misterfatt]

the difference is spears and cyrus are promoting themselves every single day. they seek the white-hot spotlight and pay publicists to do that..

Willow is just part of her parents' family. what the hell did she do to anybody? she does not have a tv show on the Disney Channel.
so you only advocate ridiculing minors when they have a publicist?

The media of today only looks for scandals and turmoil between people and countries.
and people like you are only looking for things to be offended over.

[heelsguy]

so you only advocate ridiculing minors when they have a publicist?


if you have a publicist, then you are seeking publicity--whether a minor or not. so if some poor jokes/papparazzi photos whatever come your way, you can make a big deal out of it, but you can't say you were on the sidelines. you were on the playing field.

[Das Kahlua]

if you have a publicist, then you are seeking publicity--whether a minor or not. so if some poor jokes/papparazzi photos whatever come your way, you can make a big deal out of it, but you can't say you were on the sidelines. you were on the playing field.

Not necessarily. If you are someone like one of the Palin children, especially the one that was thrust into the limelight when she got knocked up, you might recognize that you are going to be in the news one way or the other, and knowing how most of the media tends to be, you might not get a completely fair and impartial portrayal. Given that you (read: your parents) might want you to have a trained professional to try and minimize the negative attention as much as possible.

And if you say that that's not that likely for an 18-year old, this story basically proves the point.

[Lone Wolf]

Do you think in the olde days the towne would get all lathered up over a feud between the Court Jester and the Village Idiot?

[heelsguy]

Not necessarily. If you are someone like one of the Palin children, especially the one that was thrust into the limelight when she got knocked up, you might recognize that you are going to be in the news one way or the other, and knowing how most of the media tends to be, you might not get a completely fair and impartial portrayal. Given that you (read: your parents) might want you to have a trained professional to try and minimize the negative attention as much as possible.

And if you say that that's not that likely for an 18-year old, this story basically proves the point.

this all started about 4 pages back when someone said "why is it ok for young women like Miley Cyrus and ashlee Simpson to be made fun of my comedians and not Willow?"

My answer is that those 2 are people who have careers and publicists PUSHING them.

[Archangel]

this all started about 4 pages back when someone said "why is it ok for young women like Miley Cyrus and ashlee Simpson to be made fun of my comedians and not Willow?"

My answer is that those 2 are people who have careers and publicists PUSHING them.

It's the other Palin daughter, but still, what do you call this?

http://www.wowowow.com/files/imagecache/300x/2009_0520_People_Bristol_PalinSQUARE.jpg

[Insomniac]

this all started about 4 pages back when someone said "why is it ok for young women like Miley Cyrus and ashlee Simpson to be made fun of my comedians and not Willow?"

My answer is that those 2 are people who have careers and publicists PUSHING them.

Who would even have heard of this joke had Palin not made an issue of it? Would we be talking about it now?

Is her mother not pushing Bristol out to have a "career"?

[Debo]

Who would even have heard of this joke had Palin not made an issue of it? Would we be talking about it now?

Is her mother not pushing Bristol out to have a "career"?

The people who were watching Letterman.

And answer why it is okay for Hillary to defend her daughter as I cited above. Or is there a different set of rules for people on the right and on the left?

[heelsguy]

It's the other Palin daughter, but still, what do you call this?

http://www.wowowow.com/files/imagecache/300x/2009_0520_People_Bristol_PalinSQUARE.jpg

THAT IS WHY I HAVE SAID 100 TIMES THAT IF BRISTOL (THE ONE ON THE COVER) HAD BEEN THE DAUGHTER AT THE GAME, i WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN UPSET.

Sorry for the all-caps, Arch, but I have had to repeat myself over and over. get the daughters straight people. Willow was at the game, and Dave did not say the name "Bristol" in the joke. He said "Sarah Palin and her daughter were at the game today...".

AGAIN, letterman should have apolgized for not knowing which daughter was at the game. that is all he should have apologized for: his writers not fact-checking

Who would even have heard of this joke had Palin not made an issue of it? Would we be talking about it now?

Is her mother not pushing Bristol out to have a "career"?

true. palin should have made one official statement, and then let "her people" take it from there

[Archangel]

Because jokes are directed at the general public. And the general public hears "Palin's daughter" and their first thought is "teen pregnancy", even before they stop to ask themselves "which daughter?"...

Let's say that the obvious cheap joke would have been about somebody and their small son visiting a Catholic church - would it matter that the priest of that particular church had never been accused of molesting altar boys? No. The facts may be wrong, but jokes play on automatic associations and stereotypes, not facts.

[Debo]

It's the other Palin daughter, but still, what do you call this?

http://www.wowowow.com/files/imagecache/300x/2009_0520_People_Bristol_PalinSQUARE.jpg

Again, how is this any different than this?

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[SammyKC]

I have to go with palin on this. Dave needs to retire. When you have to take cheap shots at a politicians daughter your just not funny anymore. He needs to hang it up. Try and go out with some class like Johnny Carson did.

[Das Kahlua]

Because jokes are directed at the general public. And the general public hears "Palin's daughter" and their first thought is "teen pregnancy", even before they stop to ask themselves "which daughter?"...

Let's say that the obvious cheap joke would have been about somebody and their small son visiting a Catholic church - would it matter that the priest of that particular church had never been accused of molesting altar boys? No. The facts may be wrong, but jokes play on automatic associations and stereotypes, not facts.

It would still be in poor taste.

The question is not (at least not that I have seen) whether or not Letterman, or anyone for that matter, should have the right to tell jokes like this, but whether or not they should.

I find people who like to dog-pile on the entire Church/priesthood for the horrific acts of a few, especially in order to get a cheap laugh, to be in poor taste, just as I find people who want to make jokes at the expense of Palin's daughters to be taking low blows. Do they have every right to say what they do, of course. That doesn't make their comments in any less of poor taste.

[Archangel]

Again, how is this any different than this?

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For one, Chelsea Clinton wasn't chiefly famous for being living proof of the backwards, retarded idiocy of her parents' politics. Dunno, have the Cllintons ever declared that speaking in public will land you in hell, and thus it should never be done or talked about?

Dunno, if you'd have had footage of her sucking off half the football team during the Lewinsky scandal days, you might have had something.

[redsox39]

For one, Chelsea Clinton wasn't chiefly famous for being living proof of the backwards, retarded idiocy of her parents' politics. Dunno, have the Cllintons ever declared that speaking in public will land you in hell, and thus it should never be done or talked about?

Dunno, if you'd have had footage of her sucking off half the football team during the Lewinsky scandal days, you might have had something.
because she does not have Republican Parents.

[Archangel]

Well, pointing out hypocrisy IS more fun with the retarded, prissy, and sanctimonious, obviously.

[redsox39]

Well, pointing out hypocrisy IS more fun with the retarded, prissy, and sanctimonious, obviously.


Like the hypocrisy of this whole thread? Wasn't it just last year the Keith Olberman had a stroke about some guy saying Chelsea Clinton was "Pimped Out"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9M5lY5KR44&feature=player_embedded

Yes...yes it was.

But now a joke about Palin's underage daughter getting raped by A-rod is supposed to be ok? lol

I think they are both just fine, but it takes a special sort of retard to not see the partisanship here.

Free Speech is free speech, IMO.

So to recap: Shuster used a fairly common term that has its origins in the sex trade but now has a wider meaning, and he said he was sorry. - Suspended.
Whereas Letterman talked about an underage girl going to a Yankees game and getting knocked up, never really "apologized" and he is using his first amendment rights.

Also, correct me if I am wrong...but didn't Don Imus ALSO get in hot water for degrading women. I didn't hear the left wing of the free speech supporters standing up for him either...weird...

[heelsguy]

supposedly dave apologizes on tonight's show and this time clarifies it was meant for the older daughter and "that he checked her age first". ok. so he checked the age of someone who did not even attend the game, yet did not mention her BY NAME. oh well. I am ready for this to be over. we'll see what he actually says tonight and how he says it.

[Debo]

For one, Chelsea Clinton wasn't chiefly famous for being living proof of the backwards, retarded idiocy of her parents' politics. Dunno, have the Cllintons ever declared that speaking in public will land you in hell, and thus it should never be done or talked about?

Dunno, if you'd have had footage of her sucking off half the football team during the Lewinsky scandal days, you might have had something.

Chelsea is only famous for being the first daughter, that is it. If her dad wasn't the former POTUS, nobody would know who she is and she certainly wouldn't be speaking at one of the DNC's events.

Throughout this entire thread you and others have stated that Bristol is fair game because she put herself in the spotlight. Well, Chelsea Clinton has put herself in the spotlight and on a much larger scale (i.e., Multiple campaign appearances, Multiple public speaking engagements) and when a reporter on MSNBC made a derogatory comment about her, Hillary opened up a can of whoop ass on him.

The only thing that is apparent to me is that you and the rest of the Palin-haters on her are fucking hypocrites (You mostly). Just admit that you hold the Palin family to a different set of standards than the Clinton family and we can move on. Even Letterman is admitting that he fucked up:
http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/06/letterman-readdresses-palin.html

Letterman is lucky that Todd Palin isn't Harry S. Truman:

THE WHITE HOUSE


WASHINGTON


Dec. 6, 1950


Mr. Hume:


I’ve just read your lousy review of Margaret’s concert. I’ve come to the conclusion that you are an “eight ulcer man on four ulcer pay.”


It seems to me that you are a frustrated old man who wishes he could have been successful. When you write such poppy-cock as was in the back section of the paper you work for it shows conclusively that you’re off the beam and at least four of your ulcers are at work.


Some day I hope to meet you. When that happens you’ll need a new nose, a lot of beefsteak for black eyes, and perhaps a supporter below!


Pegler, a gutter snipe, is a gentleman alongside you. I hope
you’ll accept that statement as a worse insult than a reflection
on your ancestry.


H.S.T.


http://www.rjgeib.com/heroes/truman/truman-daughter.html

[Rover]

supposedly dave apologizes on tonight's show and this time clarifies it was meant for the older daughter and "that he checked her age first". ok. so he checked the age of someone who did not even attend the game, yet did not mention her BY NAME. oh well. I am ready for this to be over. we'll see what he actually says tonight and how he says it.Dave really surrendered on this one. I guess outrage from everyone except people who illogically hate the Palins, and advertisers pulling ads really puts things in perspective for Dave.

Because nobody actually watches the Late Show. (http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/06/letterman-readdresses-palin.html)


Below is the full text of Letterman's latest comments which will be telecast on "The Late Show" tonight.

“All right, here – I’ve been thinking about this situation with Governor Palin and her family now for about a week – it was a week ago tonight, and maybe you know about it, maybe you don’t know about it. But there was a joke that I told, and I thought I was telling it about the older daughter being at Yankee Stadium. And it was kind of a coarse joke. There’s no getting around it, but I never thought it was anybody other than the older daughter, and before the show, I checked to make sure in fact that she is of legal age, 18. Yeah. But the joke really, in and of itself, can’t be defended. The next day, people are outraged. They’re angry at me because they said, ‘How could you make a lousy joke like that about the 14-year-old girl who was at the ball game?’ And I had, honestly, no idea that the 14-year-old girl, I had no idea that anybody was at the ball game except the governor and I was told at the time she was there with Rudy Giuliani … and I really should have made the joke about Rudy …” (audience applauds) “But I didn’t, and now people are getting angry and they’re saying, ‘Well, how can you say something like that about a 14-year-old girl, and does that make you feel good to make those horrible jokes about a kid who’s completely innocent, minding her own business,’ and, turns out, she was at the ball game. I had no idea she was there. So she’s now at the ball game, and people think that I made the joke about her. And, but still, I’m wondering, ‘Well, what can I do to help people understand that I would never make a joke like this?’ I’ve never made jokes like this as long as we’ve been on the air, 30 long years, and you can’t really be doing jokes like that. And I understand, of course, why people are upset. I would be upset myself.

“And then I was watching the Jim Lehrer ‘Newshour’ – this commentator, the columnist Mark Shields, was talking about how I had made this indefensible joke about the 14-year-old girl, and I thought, ‘Oh, boy, now I’m beginning to understand what the problem is here. It’s the perception rather than the intent.’ It doesn’t make any difference what my intent was, it’s the perception. And, as they say about jokes, if you have to explain the joke, it’s not a very good joke. And I’m certainly – ” (audience applause) “– thank you. Well, my responsibility – I take full blame for that. I told a bad joke. I told a joke that was beyond flawed, and my intent is completely meaningless compared to the perception. And since it was a joke I told, I feel that I need to do the right thing here and apologize for having told that joke. It’s not your fault that it was misunderstood, it’s my fault. That it was misunderstood.” (audience applauds) “Thank you. So I would like to apologize, especially to the two daughters involved, Bristol and Willow, and also to the governor and her family and everybody else who was outraged by the joke. I’m sorry about it and I’ll try to do better in the future. Thank you very much.” (audience applause).

EDIT: I missed Debo's link. I thought he was just ranting against about Truman.

[mdaddyrabbit]

Dave really surrendered on this one. I guess outrage from everyone except people who illogically hate the Palins, and advertisers pulling ads really puts things in perspective for Dave.

Because nobody actually watches the Late Show. (http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/06/letterman-readdresses-palin.html)
EDIT: I missed Debo's link. I thought he was just ranting against about Truman.


I think it is over now, or should be any way. He did the right thing.

[heelsguy]

done

[vasili denisov]

The family called it 'a blessing' because it sounded better than saying 'oh fuck, doesn't that dumb bitch know how to use the pill?'

If you have to go back and explain what you really meant to say behind a joke, like when John Kerry made his 'joke' about how people who can't afford college will get stuck going to Iraq, you probably shouldn't say it in the first place. Letterman could get up on stage and say "Sarah Palin. George Bush. Dick Cheney. Rush Limbaugh." and people would laugh and boo. People who don't like these people to begin with will laugh at any joke directed at them, whether it's funny or not; the same is true for hardcore Clinton/Obama haters when people like Hannity or Rush take shots at them. It still doesn't make said 'jokes' funny.
So, this protest is over a joke isn't funny or because it's offensive? Because if it's over it not being funny, keep this bitch away from Jimmy Kimmel.
I picked that example because it was the most unrealistic statement that had a tie to reality. Obviously throwing race into the equation is a whole different ballgame. But, you conveniently ignored the actions of Hillary Clinton that I highlighted before. Please tell me what the difference is between the actions of Ms. Clinton and Ms. Palin. I would love to know.
The distinction isn't between Clinton and Palin; it's a difference between context. There's a difference between commentary and interaction on a news show and a comedy program. A comedian in a special could complain that he'd lost all his money because of that worthless bitch Maria Bartiromo since he thought anyone with such a great ass must have fantastic financial advice; it wouldn't be acceptable on the Robert Macneil News Hour. Though Letterman's joke would be acceptable on his show, it would have to be apologized for, whoever made it, on a news channel such as CNBC.

Hilary Clinton can take issue with the pimp comment in two areas: many family members stump for their relatives, and the singling out of her daughter for her term. The use of the "pimp" term specific to a female relative. Had Chelsea Clinton gotten pregnant at an early age, yes, I think she's fair game for a late night joke; her sister, arguably, would also be fair game - if there were a third Nixon brother who was a religious figure of impeccable character, yes, I think he could (and would) be joked about for, say, selling church wine in a dry county; if Bristol Palin stumped for her mom, yes, I think Palin would be in her rights to demand an apology if someone from CNBC referred to her daughter being pimped out.

It doesn’t make any difference what my intent was, it’s the perception.
It's hilarious because it's clear he doesn't want to make the apology and shouldn't make the apology; that this isn't about anymore something he said but what was perceived to be said.

[Gary_Busey]

I know I can rest easy now that this is over. I was pretty worked up.

[jemeske]

Nobody watches? Letterman topped Conan at least twice last week. And he has a bigger audience and reach than Bill O'Reilly.

[Pox]

The media attention to this story is so strange. David Letterman isn't a political commentator. He is a late night comedian. This isn't a political attack, its just a lazy joke. The Bristol Palin pregnancy meme is old, tired and hacky, but this guy probably still makes jokes about OJ, or Bill Clinton fooling around with fat chicks. Be honest, are you people (those of you who legitimately are shitting your pants over this) upset because he made fun of someone's kid, or because her mom is a Republican? Because I can't fathom that its the former, and you guys somehow manage to post on a message board named after a degrading sexual act.

If Palin was a typical celebrity instead of a politician, nobody would care about this.

Nobody.

[Das Kahlua]

So, this protest is over a joke isn't funny or because it's offensive? Because if it's over it not being funny, keep this bitch away from Jimmy Kimmel.

I can't speak for anyone else, including Sarah Palin, I can only speak for why I have issues with Letterman's comments, as I have all along. My views are mine and mine alone.

I find that when a comedian feels the need to take shots at a young girl, for no other reason that he disagrees with her mother politically and making a joke is easier and more appealing to his audience than engaging the mother in political debate, that I find rather scum-bagish. He went after Bristol because he doesn't like Sarah Palin, but Bristol was an easier target, yet he couldn't even do that without fucking up. Then, when it became a major story, he hid behind the fact that it was 'just a joke,' nevermind the fact that it wasn't even funny.

That's why I have an issue with it.

The distinction isn't between Clinton and Palin; it's a difference between context. There's a difference between commentary and interaction on a news show and a comedy program. A comedian in a special could complain that he'd lost all his money because of that worthless bitch Maria Bartiromo since he thought anyone with such a great ass must have fantastic financial advice; it wouldn't be acceptable on the Robert Macneil News Hour. Though Letterman's joke would be acceptable on his show, it would have to be apologized for, whoever made it, on a news channel such as CNBC.

The problem with this is two-fold:

1) The same stations that are running these news stations are also running comedy shows like Letterman's with clear ideoloical slants;

2) The overall political tone on these comedy shows is not much different than on the 'news' shows on the same stations.

Hilary Clinton can take issue with the pimp comment in two areas: many family members stump for their relatives, and the singling out of her daughter for her term. The use of the "pimp" term specific to a female relative. Had Chelsea Clinton gotten pregnant at an early age, yes, I think she's fair game for a late night joke; her sister, arguably, would also be fair game - if there were a third Nixon brother who was a religious figure of impeccable character, yes, I think he could (and would) be joked about for, say, selling church wine in a dry county; if Bristol Palin stumped for her mom, yes, I think Palin would be in her rights to demand an apology if someone from CNBC referred to her daughter being pimped out.

I don't know that the point of comparing Chelsea and Bristol was to put the exact circumstances side-by-side, but rather to show the difference in the tone of the media coverage of each instance when they were attacked.

Personally, I don't think it's right to take shots at either girl, they were both barely of legal age to vote and certainly not old enough to hold any form of elected office, they should be left alone. If anyone has a disagreement with someone in or running for office, take it up with that person, leave the children out of it.

That being said, my perception of the 'pimp her out' comment was that it was intended to be a slam against the Clinton family, not Chelsea, whereas the attacks against Bristol were clearly personal against her. Does that make any of them better or worse, no, they're both equally bad, IMO.

It's hilarious because it's clear he doesn't want to make the apology and shouldn't make the apology; that this isn't about anymore something he said but what was perceived to be said.

No, this is about what he intended to say versus what he said, but that's irrelevent. We live in a free society, for now at least, and we still have the right to say whatever we want, even if it offends others. If Letterman believes what he said, he should stand up on the top of the Empire State Building and scream it down, not try to hide behind the 'it was just a joke' defense when the shit hits the fan. If he believes it, he has the right to say it, but he also will be held accountable for what he says.

[Archangel]

Chelsea is only famous for being the first daughter, that is it. If her dad wasn't the former POTUS, nobody would know who she is and she certainly wouldn't be speaking at one of the DNC's events.
Well duh. And if Bristol Palin's mother didn't speak out against sex ed in the 21st fucking century, then Bristol Palin would just be some daft HS slut who let the school douche bag raw-dog her. Your point?
Throughout this entire thread you and others have stated that Bristol is fair game because she put herself in the spotlight. Well, Chelsea Clinton has put herself in the spotlight and on a much larger scale (i.e., Multiple campaign appearances, Multiple public speaking engagements)
I dunno about that whole "much larger scale" thing. How many people in America watch political speeches, and how many see the cover of People at the newsagent's or the supermarket?
and when a reporter on MSNBC made a derogatory comment about her, Hillary opened up a can of whoop ass on him.
Weird, I thought that MSNBC was supposed to be the willing servant of every Democratic politician... Call me when Palin attacks someone at the Völkischer Beobacht... er, FOX News.
The only thing that is apparent to me is that you and the rest of the Palin-haters on her are fucking hypocrites (You mostly). Just admit that you hold the Palin family to a different set of standards than the Clinton family and we can move on.
Yes, I DO hold Bristol Palin to a different standard than Chelsea Clinton.

Because, for the millionth time, one isn't the living. breathing, lactating proof of the manifest idiocy and obsolescence of the policies of the side of the political spectrum which her parents ostensibly represent.

When, say, Hillary speaks out against inter-racial dating (silly example, but you try coming up with a better one after 4 hours of sleep), and we find video of Chelsea with three black dicks in her, THEN I will hold them to the same standards.

Letterman is lucky that Todd Palin isn't Harry S. Truman:

No, I think we can all agree that the entire world is lucky that Harry S Truman wasn't Todd fucking Palin.

[Claydon]

wow... just fucking wow

7 pages for what really is a non fucking issue.

[Yelram]

Well duh. And if Bristol Palin's mother didn't speak out against sex ed in the 21st fucking century, then Bristol Palin would just be some daft HS slut who let the school douche bag raw-dog her. Your point?
I dunno about that whole "much larger scale" thing. How many people in America watch political speeches, and how many see the cover of People at the newsagent's or the supermarket?

Weird, I thought that MSNBC was supposed to be the willing servant of every Democratic politician... Call me when Palin attacks someone at the Völkischer Beobacht... er, FOX News.
Yes, I DO hold Bristol Palin to a different standard than Chelsea Clinton.

Because, for the millionth time, one isn't the living. breathing, lactating proof of the manifest idiocy and obsolescence of the policies of the side of the political spectrum which her parents ostensibly represent.

When, say, Hillary speaks out against inter-racial dating (silly example, but you try coming up with a better one after 4 hours of sleep), and we find video of Chelsea with three black dicks in her, THEN I will hold them to the same standards.



No, I think we can all agree that the entire world is lucky that Harry S Truman wasn't Todd fucking Palin.

Throughout this thread your IQ has slumped into the double digits.

So because the Clintons support "sex education programs" whatever that means to your fried out little kraut brain, then Chelsea Clinton can basically do anything she wants besides an orgy on camera, and even that would be okay because her "mommy and daddy's political spectrum", agrees with arches irrefutable hard on for everything NOT Palin, oh I mean sex education. Your last response to me read like something TATER wouldnt have wasted the time to defecate onto the page. You're really losing it Arch. You need to get out of the house, and find something to challenge your mind, I think being surrounded by GMFers has caused that meat sack in your head to atrophy. Your responses were basically rabid, foaming at the mouth decries against Palin, and the US in general.

[Archangel]

Oh, so Palin represents the US in general?

[mdaddyrabbit]

The media attention to this story is so strange. David Letterman isn't a political commentator. He is a late night comedian. This isn't a political attack, its just a lazy joke. The Bristol Palin pregnancy meme is old, tired and hacky, but this guy probably still makes jokes about OJ, or Bill Clinton fooling around with fat chicks. Be honest, are you people (those of you who legitimately are shitting your pants over this) upset because he made fun of someone's kid, or because her mom is a Republican? Because I can't fathom that its the former, and you guys somehow manage to post on a message board named after a degrading sexual act.

If Palin was a typical celebrity instead of a politician, nobody would care about this.

Nobody.


I can not speak for anyone else, but for me personally this issue between Letterman and Palin would not have bothered me at all just 6 years ago. I didn't have children. Since being blessed with my first and only child, I feel differently about things I read and see in the world. If my child was in the same position as the Palin children I would do worse than their mom. I could care less if she is republican or democrat or what ever Letterman is. What their political stance maybe is in material to my thoughts. I didn't like the comment because of the age of the person Letterman made a joke about. If another situation like this happened I would still feel the same way no matter who or where. The only reason we knew about this event is because it came into our homes through television. Other things even worse happen to every day people that we never hear about.

[Pox]

Well, you're very new here, and sound like a girly man so far (no offense.)

My post was directed more at people who have been here for years of rape jokes and meatspin, and are suddenly HIGHLY OFFENDED that Letterman made a whore joke about some whore. Or her sister, or whatever.

[Desperado]

Oh, so Palin represents the US in general?

Palin only represents proamerica...

[mdaddyrabbit]

Well, you're very new here, and sound like a girly man so far (no offense.)

My post was directed more at people who have been here for years of rape jokes and meatspin, and are suddenly HIGHLY OFFENDED that Letterman made a whore joke about some whore. Or her sister, or whatever.


No offense taken, just glad you don't set life's rules. (No offense of course.)