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SammyKC
06-15-2009, 09:33 AM
I ask this because I just watched Valkrye about killing hitler. If you knew you could save thousands by killing one person, knowing you would probably die...would you do it? Also throwing in thou Shalt not kill and vengeance is Mine.....what would you do?

Limp
06-15-2009, 09:51 AM
If it was you.... sure could.

SammyKC
06-15-2009, 09:56 AM
another fan. No I wont sign your autograph book.

Archangel
06-15-2009, 12:13 PM
I ask this because I just watched Valkrye about killing hitler. If you knew you could save thousands by killing one person, knowing you would probably die...would you do it? Also throwing in thou Shalt not kill and vengeance is Mine.....what would you do?

Oh, so you learned about von Stauffenberg and the 20th of July from Tom Cruise. Hooray for your educational system.

Also, just wondering, why do you even bother capitalising, since you appear to do so totally at random?

Limp
06-15-2009, 12:35 PM
Oh, so you learned about von Stauffenberg and the 20th of July from Tom Cruise. Hooray for your educational system.

Also, just wondering, why do you even bother capitalising, since you appear to do so totally at random?
I learned about it from the History Channel when i was younger... we don't learn about you Nazi's in school.

Archangel
06-15-2009, 12:38 PM
I learned about it from the History Channel when i was younger... we don't learn about you Nazi's in school.

Yeah, I take it that the fifteen minutes of your country's history take up all the available lessons.

Limp
06-15-2009, 12:39 PM
Your country is better than ours!

Happy?

Archangel
06-15-2009, 12:41 PM
Never said that.

Stax
06-15-2009, 01:07 PM
Hey, we learn a lot about Nazis in America. They all goosestep and are terrible people that America beat by being awesome.

Morfin
06-15-2009, 01:18 PM
Yeah, I take it that the fifteen minutes of your country's history take up all the available lessons.

It's quality not quantity. Nyah. Nyah.

mongo
06-15-2009, 01:19 PM
you ever see how much money history majors make? it's no wonder nobody in the us likes that shit. math and science ftw!

Morfin
06-15-2009, 02:08 PM
This question may arise from the plot to kill Hitler, and everyone rises to the bait of "If only..."

Well, be careful before answering. This is the same sort of thinking by those who kill the abortion doctors. To those people, killing Dr. Tiller "saved" many lives.

To Limp: Just sayin'.

nickwashere
06-15-2009, 02:49 PM
I'm a coward, so probably not. Yeah, that probably makes me an asshole as well. Sorry, jews!

WET HOT MESS
06-15-2009, 05:06 PM
What if you went back in time with your coolio Time Machine, but accidentally went too far back and killed Jesus.

Archangel
06-15-2009, 05:54 PM
Fuck killing Hitler, if I could go back in time, the one thing I'd do is kill the fucking A&R who signed Flo Rida to a record deal.

Soup Nazi
06-15-2009, 06:14 PM
Anyone who played Red Alert knows that killing Hitler solves nothing. It just creates a greater enemy on the horizon..........

Okie Medicvet
06-15-2009, 07:09 PM
Hitler killed himself. I'd go after Mengele, because the fucker died of old age, and that is an outrage.

STDSkillz
06-15-2009, 07:11 PM
Anyone who played Red Alert knows that killing Hitler solves nothing. It just creates a greater enemy on the horizon..........
This man speaks the fucking truth.

wonderllama
06-15-2009, 07:22 PM
I always enjoyed Ethics at University and it's amusing that Hitler is always the one used in these examples...

I think there are probably other people associated with him during the early years or at least before the war who you could easily take out, but Hitler would be a lot more fun cos without him the whole situation never arises I guess...

Nature's Folly
06-15-2009, 07:38 PM
I need proof. Then if i was satisfied with said proof....then i'd kill whomever.

Daydreamer
06-15-2009, 09:04 PM
What if you killed one to save thousands and those thousands killled millions?

Pox
06-16-2009, 01:44 AM
Heres the real question with that movie: why did they bother with all the backstory and motivation and whatnot? The man wanted to kill Hitler!! So get to the Hitler killing, already.

Archangel
06-16-2009, 03:17 AM
Heres the real question with that movie: why did they bother with all the backstory and motivation and whatnot? The man wanted to kill Hitler!! So get to the Hitler killing, already.

Actually, as officers who had sworn an oath, motivation was one of the main issues of the conspirators. They knew that it had to be done, but people in those days took their oaths seriously. I haven't seen the movie, but I did read up on Stauffenberg and the others a bit.

Let's not forget, the 20th of July conspirators weren't bleeding hearts, communists, or some such: They were soldiers, not to mention party members, quite a few of whom had supported Hitler. Their decision was partly a military one - they knew that the war was lost, and that by removing Hitler and settling for peace while the Wehrmacht was still strong, they could be saving the German people a lot of suffering and humiliation.

If patriotism makes you need to kill the man who for all intents and purposes is your country, then motivation is quite an issue.

iolas
06-16-2009, 10:54 AM
Oh, so you learned about von Stauffenberg and the 20th of July from Tom Cruise. Hooray for your educational system.



It's called government schools. Government schools exist only to churn out masses of idiots who are completely loyal to the government.

Morfin
06-16-2009, 11:14 AM
And what conspiracy state are you from?

POO POO CANNON
06-16-2009, 10:45 PM
Oh, so you learned about von Stauffenberg and the 20th of July from Tom Cruise. Hooray for your educational system.

Also, just wondering, why do you even bother capitalising, since you appear to do so totally at random?

Whaaa? He said watching the movie sparked the question. For all you know he could be a historian who was reminded of the question by watching the movie.

Don't be a sauerkraut.

SammyKC
06-19-2009, 03:03 PM
I knew about it earlier but I never really thought about it. That was a different time. I mean seriously couldnt somebody have said fuck it and put a round in his head?

SammyKC
06-19-2009, 03:07 PM
Oh, so you learned about von Stauffenberg and the 20th of July from Tom Cruise. Hooray for your educational system.

Also, just wondering, why do you even bother capitalising, since you appear to do so totally at random?

I dont do anything at random. I save my energy for bigger people than you. But if your in charge of puntuation....well....I guess everyone needs a hobby.

nothingman
06-19-2009, 10:08 PM
If I could kill Tom Cruise just to save a puppy, I probably would.

mdaddyrabbit
06-20-2009, 08:52 PM
Killing of any manner is a bad thing, but sometimes you have to be a man and do what you feel is right. That decision can only be made within the situation, I think. No one can make a decision while not in the real situation. I wish for a perfect world, but in reality I know there is no such thing, so if were faced with a situation of this type, I would make that decision then. Sorry for not answering yes or no and no I am not side stepping the question. I am an old man and I have had to make many decisions in my life that I didn't know at the time if they would end up right or wrong, but I was willing to accept the responsiblility for what I did. I am one of those men of honor and I believe in my faith and past experiences to get me through. Make your decisions wisely and when needed.

wonderllama
06-21-2009, 08:24 PM
Are the consequences being ignored here?
Killing one to save many is one thing, but what if you are consequently arrested, tried and convicted and sentenced to death.

Sure, you've saved the many, but you will be sacrificing yourself....what if YOU are the one who has to be killed to save the many?

slore
06-21-2009, 08:34 PM
I would let all you fuckers die instead of killing one of you.

Skinny Banana
07-11-2009, 04:27 AM
i'd kill hitler if i could go back in time...pop up right behind him while he's standing at a urinal in 1939 n pop one in his melon... but i'm an ass so i won't if it involves me dying
sorry jewish people

Archangel
07-11-2009, 07:28 AM
1939. When the nazi apparatus was firmly in place, Hitler was the most powerful man in Europe, had bodyguards out the arse, and a huge army at his command.

Not, say, in 1916, when he was a lowly private in WWI, or in 1924, when he was a nobody in prison.


You're not very smart, are you.

HAWK
07-11-2009, 03:05 PM
Just go back in time and choke his mother to death.

Okie Medicvet
07-11-2009, 03:41 PM
Look at history, and if there was no Hitler, Stalin would be twice the mass killer he already is. Instead of going after Hitler, I say change history to make Trotsky in charge instead of Stalin.

Owen the Plain
07-29-2009, 02:03 PM
At this point, no, probably not. I'd kill a person to save someone I love, but not to save millions of others aka the Hitler dilemma.

The reason is because you never know the results of your actions, as the saying goes "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".

Kill Hitler, Japan doesn't have the balls to attack Pearl Harbor we don't develop the nuke, we don't have the cold war and etc etc. Maybe it results in world peace, but maybe it results in someone deciding to develop the nuke ahead of us and we get invaded by some other country down the road, and we lose.

We can't predict this future, let alone alternative futures, so I wouldn't want the responsibility of the outcome, knowing that the one good intention I had of seemingly kill an absolute evil resulted in a million other evils springing up.

Let God do his thing.

winkeraw
08-16-2009, 02:44 PM
It certainly makes sense to do it.

bdjlo09
09-01-2009, 12:48 AM
this question is the creation of a christian mind?
Justifying killing. for the greater good.

kulashaker
10-27-2009, 10:36 PM
A better question would be would you still kill the one person if you knew them. Even though it may save millions!

gilliath
11-11-2009, 01:01 AM
I ouwld

splinter
01-21-2010, 06:44 PM
Whaaa? He said watching the movie sparked the question. For all you know he could be a historian who was reminded of the question by watching the movie.

Don't be a sauerkraut.
who's the girl in the avatar?

and who am i killing to save many?

freefire
02-01-2010, 02:30 PM
for sure, it's justified. I'll kill one to save one

Alphashooter
02-02-2010, 04:44 PM
Depends, Is he/she an evil fucker? If yes then...Boom! Headshot! If no proof. Meh.

yogih27
02-18-2010, 11:49 AM
Why not??????????