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freegood
06-28-2009, 09:17 PM
Fitting that this story hit before SC governor Sanford hiking the Appalachian trail. Values with a capital V.

Ensign fallout could weaken GOP efforts to rebuild party at state, national levels (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/jun/17/ensign-fallout-could-weaken-gop-efforts-rebuild-pa/)

The Republican Party didn’t make a deal with the devil.

It made a deal with God, or at least people who said they were God’s representatives — a certain class of very political and ideological preachers.

The deal, engineered by Republican operatives such as Lee Atwater and Karl Rove, went like this: Be against gays and abortion and for prayer in the schools, and in return, those preachers would proclaim the GOP the party of God and deliver millions of suburban and rural voters — enough to win elections for three decades.

But the deal carried a risk: Any behavior by Republican officeholders or public figures that seemed at odds with a certain kind of Old Testament morality — a tryst in an airport bathroom, a painkiller addiction, a sexual harassment lawsuit — and voters might feel betrayed and manipulated.

And the deal would collapse.

The risk is surely now outweighing the reward, if the past few years are any indication. As Nevada’s rising star Republican Sen. John Ensign acknowledged an affair with the wife of a top aide who was also a friend, Republican Party fortunes in Nevada and nationwide — already at their lowest ebb in 45 years — fell still further.

Ensign has never been like other Nevada Republicans, who have tended to come from the libertarian wing of the party. Ensign is a proud social conservative.

“The problem is, he’s another one of these Bible-thumping Republicans,” said a Republican operative who asked to remain anonymous to speak candidly about the situation.

“When you take the social conservative banner, there’s a higher level of scrutiny on these kinds of things,” he said. “The public comes down a lot harder on people who carry that banner,” he added.

American social mores have become more tolerant in recent decades, and in the process, voters have become more accepting of different sexual orientations (see Rep. Barney Frank); drug use (see Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama); and extramarital affairs (see President Bill Clinton.)

But there’s still one unforgivable sin: Hypocrisy.

“People have survived extramarital affairs, but he’s got a hypocrisy problem to deal with,” said another Nevada Republican operative who was granted anonymity to speak candidly about a fellow Republican. “He’s got a serious hypocrisy problem.”

During his first Senate campaign in 1998 against Sen. Harry Reid, Ensign called for Clinton’s resignation in light of his acknowledged affair with former White House intern Monica Lewinsky, saying Clinton “has no credibility left.”

Now we know that Ensign had an affair with a member of his staff. He also betrayed the woman’s husband, a close friend who also worked for him — not unlike San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom.

Recall that Republicans like to use “San Francisco values” as an epithet.

Ensign also must now account for his prior defense of “traditional” marriage. In calling for a constitutional amendment to ban gays from marrying, he said, “Marriage is an extremely important institution in this country and protecting it is, in my mind, worth the extraordinary step of amending our constitution.”

Ensign was head of Senate Republican election efforts last year, an effort that failed badly. He tried to get Sen. Larry Craig to resign his seat after the Idaho Republican pleaded guilty in 2007 to soliciting sex from a man in an airport bathroom.

Ensign called Craig “a disgrace.”

A few months later, Ensign’s own affair began.

His news conference Tuesday was like so many others, now almost routine political theater, involving fallen public officials. The head-down contrition. Pledges of solidarity and forgiveness from the wife, though in this case, he had the good sense to leave her at home.

Though, as usual, Ensign was tanned and without a hair out of place, he looked shaken and sullen.

“I know I have deeply hurt and disappointed my wife, Darlene, my children, my family, my friends, my staff and all of those who believed in me,” he said.

The numbers do not lie. Fewer than one-quarter of Americans identify themselves as Republicans, according to recent polls. The Republican Party needs to consider a new deal because this one with the religious right is failing.

Das Kahlua
06-28-2009, 10:52 PM
The numbers do not lie. Fewer than one-quarter of Americans identify themselves as Republicans, according to recent polls. The Republican Party needs to consider a new deal because this one with the religious right is failing.

Wow, talk about not even coming close to telling the whole story.

Yes, recent polls show a minority of the populace considering themselves conservative. However, that number actually increased in the last few years, is higher than those people who consider themselves liberal, and the group that is decreasing the most, according to the poll, is independents/moderates.

Are there Republican politicians who did stupid ass things? Sure, and they should be voted out of office, but this certainly doesn't mean the end of conservatives or the Republican party. Hell, Ted Kennedy killed a woman, and not only are liberals and Democrats not gone, he has been re-elected multiple times since.

4 years ago, the Democrats were struggling amongst themselves for their identity, whether they should move more to the right or the left or stay where they were. They were able to come back and seize power, by identifying their core values and presenting them to the public in a way that people would embrace. As soon as the Republicans learn to do the same, they'll get power back, too.

Insomniac
06-28-2009, 11:28 PM
Yeah, but increasingly people who identify as conservatives don't give a fuck about gays, think abortion should be legal if not widely practiced, and are sick of religion as used as the basis for legislation rather than personal conduct.

Those things are all intrinsically linked to the GOP now because the party can't win without those batshit crazies who actually, you know, vote, including in primaries. But a 25-year-old college grad who doesn't want the government taking over the economy or taxing 60 percent of his income doesn't see much to like in the Republican party either.

Stax
06-28-2009, 11:35 PM
Yeah, but increasingly people who identify as conservatives don't give a fuck about gays, think abortion should be legal if not widely practiced, and are sick of religion as used as the basis for legislation rather than personal conduct.

Those things are all intrinsically linked to the GOP now because the party can't win without those batshit crazies who actually, you know, vote, including in primaries. But a 25-year-old college grad who doesn't want the government taking over the economy or taxing 60 percent of his income doesn't see much to like in the Republican party either.

Exactly. The Democrats had to go through the wilderness between LBJ and Clinton trying to find a way to win without the Solid South (and even Clinton was a Southern governor with a Southern VP who won some Southern states), split between the two opposing forces of the New Deal coalition. Now the Republicans get to do the same with the Reagan coalition.

Das Kahlua
06-29-2009, 12:01 AM
Yeah, but increasingly people who identify as conservatives don't give a fuck about gays, think abortion should be legal if not widely practiced, and are sick of religion as used as the basis for legislation rather than personal conduct.

I'm not going to try and speak for anyone else, but as a conservative my biggest issue is either party trying to artificially grant themselves powers with no regard for Constitutional constraints. Just because I don't want Obama taking over the auto industry or the banking system, doesn't mean that I want John McCain or any Republicans to do the same.

Any political party will only survive and grow by expanding their power, which is why a candidate who is truly committed to reduced government control like Ron Paul could never win the support of either party system. That is where the disconnect between ideals and practice begins.

Those things are all intrinsically linked to the GOP now because the party can't win without those batshit crazies who actually, you know, vote, including in primaries. But a 25-year-old college grad who doesn't want the government taking over the economy or taxing 60 percent of his income doesn't see much to like in the Republican party either.

Just as the Dems couldn't win without the hardcore lefty nuts; the far right and left are the ones who campaign and raise money, they are the life blood of the parties and the parties couldn't survive as is without them. Does that mean that the parties are destined to be made up of nothing but the nuts? No, while their votes are welcome, the parties don't have to resort to the lowest common denominator.

freegood
06-29-2009, 01:29 AM
Wow, talk about not even coming close to telling the whole story.

Yes, recent polls show a minority of the populace considering themselves conservative. However, that number actually increased in the last few years, is higher than those people who consider themselves liberal, and the group that is decreasing the most, according to the poll, is independents/moderates.


Poll in question (http://pewresearch.org/pubs/773/fewer-voters-identify-as-republicans)
http://pewresearch.org/assets/publications/773-2.gif

A second Bush term did a lot of things, but #s of self-identified Republicans were never higher than Democrats in that span.


Are there Republican politicians who did stupid ass things? Sure, and they should be voted out of office, but this certainly doesn't mean the end of conservatives or the Republican party. Hell, Ted Kennedy killed a woman, and not only are liberals and Democrats not gone, he has been re-elected multiple times since.

It should be the end of their stupid and ridiculous platform of god, family values and the sanctity of marriage. Not that those values are ridiculous, but it loses it's meaning with hypocrites using it to drive up votes.

Another example that bears typing to believe. You had a vice presidential candidate who for abstinence only sex ed. Then her teenage daughter got knocked up and she landed in a shotgun wedding. Now the same daughter is a self proclaimed ambassador to abstinence. What? Does anyone believe this shit?

At least when she goes on interviews saying that abstinence "isn't realistic for everyone", she has some decency to tell the truth. Not enough decency to plaster her face around telling other people to not do what she did.


4 years ago, the Democrats were struggling amongst themselves for their identity, whether they should move more to the right or the left or stay where they were. They were able to come back and seize power, by identifying their core values and presenting them to the public in a way that people would embrace. As soon as the Republicans learn to do the same, they'll get power back, too.

Good luck on that. First step is to undo their ill conceived marriage with "faith based values". It'd do Christian leaders (the ones that aren't a pathetic joke) a big favor on themselves to follow suit.

Archangel
06-29-2009, 07:34 AM
Family values guys are hypocrites? NO! Who'd have thought THAT?


Also, seriously, America: Do Christianity a favour and convert to something else. Your yokel preachers and hypocrite Bible thumpers are giving the faith of Paul and Bernard a bad fucking name.