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hatepoppy
06-30-2009, 08:49 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/24/mr-popular-rep-paul-wins-supporters-fed-sunshine/

i love this fuckin guy.

Mr. Popular? Ron Paul Wins Supporters to Fed Sunshine Bill

Rep. Ron Paul so far has won 245 co-sponsors to a bill that would require a full-fledged audit of the Federal Reserve by the end of 2010.



All of a sudden, Congress is paying close attention to Ron Paul.

The feisty congressman from Texas, whose insurgent "Ron Paul Revolution" presidential campaign rankled Republican leaders last year, now has the GOP House leadership on his side -- backing a measure that generated paltry support when he first introduced it 26 years ago.

Paul, as of Tuesday, has won 245 co-sponsors to a bill that would require a full-fledged audit of the Federal Reserve by the end of 2010.

Paul attracted just 18 co-sponsors when he authored a similar bill, which died, in 1983. While the impact Fed policies have on inflation is once again a concern, fears about loose monetary policy and excessive federal spending appear even more widespread in 2009.

"In the past, I never got much support, but I think it's the financial crisis obviously that's drawing so much attention to it, and people want to know more about the Federal Reserve," Paul told FOXNews.com.

With the Federal Reserve holding interest rates at rock-bottom levels, pumping trillions into the economy and now poised to have new powers to oversee the financial system under President Obama's proposed regulatory overhaul, Paul said lawmakers want transparency.

"If they give them a lot more power and there's no more transparency, that'll be a disaster," he said.

The bill would call for the comptroller general in the Government Accountability Office to audit the Fed and report those findings to Congress. The GAO's ability to conduct such audits now is severely restricted.

A slew of top Republicans are backing the bill, as are many Democrats.
"Ron Paul has the right idea on this," said Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., who supports similar legislation in the Senate. "I'm just hoping we can get a clear audit. ... We need to know what they're up to."

House Republican Leader John Boehner, who signed on as a co-sponsor this month, wrote in a recent blog post that the "lack of transparency and accountability" regarding federal dollars committed by the Fed and Treasury Department raise "serious concerns" and make an audit critical.

"The Federal Reserve Transparency Act would remove all of these restrictions, and allow GAO to get real answers from the Federal Reserve to protect American taxpayers," Boehner wrote.

Unfortunately for Paul, the bill appears to be idling in the House Financial Services Committee, which is chaired by Barney Frank, D-Mass. The bill has been sitting there, gathering co-sponsors, since Paul introduced it in late February.

"You've kind of got to rely on the Democratic leadership (to move the bill along)," a Boehner aide said. "I haven't heard a lot of support from Chairman Frank."

Calls to Frank's office were not returned.

Paul acknowledged that his bill hasn't advanced but said Frank has "promised" him he will deal with his bill and is willing to give it a hearing. Paul said it's easily got the "momentum" to pass the full House.
A representative with the Federal Reserve could not be reached for comment.

Obama, though, voiced confidence in Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke last Tuesday and defended the Fed's overall ability to regulate effectively as well as his proposal to give the body more power.

"If you look at what we've proposed, we are not so much expanding the Fed's power as we are focusing what the Fed needs to do to prevent the kinds of crises that are happening again," Obama said. "We want that power to be available so that taxpayers aren't on the hook."

Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., introduced a bill similar to Paul's in the Senate in March, which so far has attracted just three co-sponsors -- DeMint and Republican Sens. David Vitter of Louisiana and Mike Crapo of Idaho.
But DeMint told FOX News last week that the measure would have a good chance of passing the Senate if supporters can push Paul's to a vote, which he said would be successful, in the House.

"I think if we can get that much attention on this bill, I don't believe senators could vote against it, if people knew what they were voting for because everyone is suspicious of the Federal Reserve," DeMint said.
Paul's underlying goal is to abolish the Federal Reserve, which he finds contemptible.

"I blame almost everything on the Fed because they create the bubbles, they create the credit," Paul said.

But the move to require an audit, which Paul described as "neutral," puts him a bit more in the congressional mainstream.

That's a change of pace. The long-time congressman's GOP primary bid was decidedly outside the mainstream. His campaign drew enthusiastic support last year, and though it wasn't enough to pose an electoral threat to the top candidates, he even staged his own September counter-convention in Minneapolis -- down the road from the official Republican National Convention in St. Paul. His "Rally for the Republic" drew more than 10,000 supporters and was complete with a rock band and a slew of faux-delegates wielding signs for their states.

Paul frequently plays the role of party and congressional outsider. Most recently, he was the lone "no" vote on last Friday's resolution to condemn the Iranian government's crackdown on protesters.

He cited constitutional concerns in that vote, as he has in his criticism of the Fed and a slew of other issues.

"The whole process is unconstitutional. There is no legal authority to
operate such a monetary system," Paul said in February, in a statement calling for Washington to "end the Fed." He introduced the Federal Reserve Transparency Act the following day.

Morfin
06-30-2009, 09:01 AM
Let's do some math here. 435 House members divide by 2 = majority of 218. So far, 245 co-sponsors, whom we can assume will vote for it.

Hmmm. Barney Frank lets it sit in committee and not see the light of day. Barney Frank, one of the people who were to be watching over the Fed and Wall Street. Hmmm.

Das Kahlua
06-30-2009, 09:05 AM
I can already seen the campaign ads against Frank and anyone else who stands in the way of this bill.

hatepoppy
06-30-2009, 09:06 AM
yeah fuck that guy.

Das Kahlua
06-30-2009, 09:26 AM
Barney Frank/Perez Hilton 2012.

Snatch
06-30-2009, 09:46 AM
Barney Frank's lack of accountability is one of the funniest things in this whole crisis.

Morfin
06-30-2009, 09:57 AM
Barney Frank/Perez Hilton 2012.

Really? Who's on top of the ticket and whose the bottom?

AAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAH! I am too funny.

Das Kahlua
06-30-2009, 06:29 PM
Really? Who's on top of the ticket and whose the bottom?

AAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAH! I am too funny.

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

Mustard
06-30-2009, 06:34 PM
I fuckin love this idea!

redsox39
06-30-2009, 06:36 PM
Which is why we should have all voted Ron Paul!! Next time...

Genius
06-30-2009, 06:44 PM
First, who the fuck is the comptroller general of the GAO. Second, how much will the audit end up costing. If this is an inefficient, drawn out audit that leads nowhere, accomplishes nothing, confirms what the above article says is wrong with the fed, and costs a shitload of money, then what the fuck is the point? Does anyone really believe that the audit will be concluded and Congress will jump up and say "NOW WE KNOW THERE ARE PROBLEMS, LET US FIXETH THEM!" No way, we'll see the results, and nothing will come from them. So fuck this, if everyone is going to go completely apeshit about wasting money, then let's not jump for joy over what will turn out to be another waste of money.

hatepoppy
06-30-2009, 06:46 PM
the fed needs to be flat fucking abolished. if it takes a revolution, it needs to happen.

hatepoppy
06-30-2009, 06:59 PM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

“Give me the right to issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who governs the country.” –Mayer Amschel Rothschild

“The few who can understand the system will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favors, that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of the people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantages that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests.” –Mayer Amschel Rothschild

Debo
06-30-2009, 07:02 PM
the fed needs to be flat fucking abolished. if it takes a revolution, it needs to happen.

And who would you like to see dictate our monetary policy? Barney Frank and Co.? Sweet Jesus, can you imagine?

hatepoppy
06-30-2009, 07:06 PM
And who would you like to see dictate our monetary policy? Barney Frank and Co.? Sweet Jesus, can you imagine?
at least it would be american.

hatepoppy
06-30-2009, 07:07 PM
srsly, the whole fucking world is slave to these fuckers.

Debo
06-30-2009, 07:13 PM
srsly, the whole fucking world is slave to these fuckers.

If you think that the Fed is bad, it would be a million times worse with Congress calling the shots.

Remember how much of a cluster fuck getting the House to vote on the stimulus bill was? That would be every single FOMC meeting.

Do you still think it would be a good idea to have a computer run monetary policy?
Friedman: Yes. Of course it depends very much on how the computer is programmed. I am not saying that any computer program would do. In speaking of that, I have had in mind the idea that a computer would produce, for example, a constant rate of growth in the quantity of money as defined, let us say, by M2, something like 3% to 5% per year. There are certainly occasions in which discretionary changes in policy guided by a wise and talented manager of monetary policy would do better than the fixed rate, but they would be rare.
In any event, the computer program would certainly prevent any major disasters either way, any major inflation or any major depressions. One of the great defects of our kind of monetary system is that its performance depends so much on the quality of the people who are put in charge. We have seen that in the history of our own Federal Reserve System. Surely a computer would have produced far better results during the 1930s and during both world wars.
That raises a question about the desirability of our present monetary system. It is one in which a group of unelected people have enormous power, power which can lead to a great depression or which can lead to a great inflation. Is it wise to have that power in those hands?
http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/112406friedman.jpgAn alternative would be to eliminate the Federal Reserve System; to reduce the monetary activities of the federal government to the provision of high-powered money, that is, currency and bank reserves, and to constitutionalize, as it were, what is to be done with high-powered money. My preference is simply to hold it constant and let financial developments produce the growth in the quantity of money in the form of bank deposits, a process that has been going on for many decades. But that is, of course, politically impossible.



http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110009561

BIG PIZZLE
06-30-2009, 07:16 PM
The only problem is that whenever Ron Paul says anything he sounds like a crazy whiny old coot.

hatepoppy
06-30-2009, 07:51 PM
yes, youre right, debo. the problem w the fed is that it's slow to react and clumsy when it does.

its definitely not deliberately diluting the value of the dollar by creating money out of thin air with no physical basis in value.

Debo
06-30-2009, 08:07 PM
yes, youre right, debo. the problem w the fed is that it's slow to react and clumsy when it does.

its definitely not deliberately diluting the value of the dollar by creating money out of thin air with no physical basis in value.

The Fed is better now than it was 20 or 30, and especially 50+ years ago.

What is the alternative? The alternative that Friedman describes is preferable to what we have now. But even he admits that it isn't a viable solution because the powers that be will never let it happen.

They are trying to fight deflation right now. You do that by creating inflation. This only becomes a problem when the market stabilizes and you keep monetary policy loose (e.g., 2003-2005).

hatepoppy
06-30-2009, 08:13 PM
what are your thoughts on the merits of fractional reserve banking?

Debo
06-30-2009, 08:25 PM
what are your thoughts on the merits of fractional reserve banking?

That is the system that we use now. It works fine until there is a run on the bank. FDR tried to stop bank runs by creating the FDIC to insure their deposits. It works well for the most part.

If I deposit $1,000 into my checking account or my savings account, the bank keeps 10% in the bank to satisfy the Fed's reserve requirements and then they lend the rest of it out to consumers/borrowers. It increases the velocity of the money supply which creates growth. I don't have a problem with this.

When the TARP plan first came out, I said that the whole thing is a house of cards. Nobody denies this. But the bank has to do something with its deposits, especially if it is paying interest on them. Otherwise, they aren't going to be in business for very long.

Da Raider
06-30-2009, 11:58 PM
First, who the fuck is the comptroller general of the GAO. Second, how much will the audit end up costing. If this is an inefficient, drawn out audit that leads nowhere, accomplishes nothing, confirms what the above article says is wrong with the fed, and costs a shitload of money, then what the fuck is the point? Does anyone really believe that the audit will be concluded and Congress will jump up and say "NOW WE KNOW THERE ARE PROBLEMS, LET US FIXETH THEM!" No way, we'll see the results, and nothing will come from them. So fuck this, if everyone is going to go completely apeshit about wasting money, then let's not jump for joy over what will turn out to be another waste of money.

STFU, GODDAMNED PUSSY!

freegood
07-01-2009, 12:36 AM
First, who the fuck is the comptroller general of the GAO. Second, how much will the audit end up costing. If this is an inefficient, drawn out audit that leads nowhere, accomplishes nothing, confirms what the above article says is wrong with the fed, and costs a shitload of money, then what the fuck is the point? Does anyone really believe that the audit will be concluded and Congress will jump up and say "NOW WE KNOW THERE ARE PROBLEMS, LET US FIXETH THEM!" No way, we'll see the results, and nothing will come from them. So fuck this, if everyone is going to go completely apeshit about wasting money, then let's not jump for joy over what will turn out to be another waste of money.

Comptroller gen. is fancy title for head accountant. The gov. likes red tape. This would feed the guise of transparency. Dunno what good it'd do, but at least we'd have a better idea what the Fed says they're spending money on.

When the TARP plan first came out, I said that the whole thing is a house of cards. Nobody denies this. But the bank has to do something with its deposits, especially if it is paying interest on them. Otherwise, they aren't going to be in business for very long.

Problem is that they overlent insane ratios against the good assets in hand. If all banks did was carry out your traditional scenario, we wouldn't be in the shitstorm we're in. We probably also wouldn't see a boom in the 90's or the housing boom in the 00's....

I'm not sure if a carry trade where the taxpayer takes a bath was the best intended solution for TARP, but I wasn't sure of a better solution either. What it did do (by its passing) was restore sanity to the markets, so crisis averted for the time being.

satandole666
07-01-2009, 01:08 AM
The Fed is one of the biggest scams in existence.

I agree that having Congressmen run it wouldn't be any better, but the notion of a private bank profiting from my income tax makes me want to go on a killing spree.

Instead of Congress granting the powers to the fed it should grant them to an actual government organization. Get these people on government payroll and reduce their incentive to think about lining their own pockets.

redsox39
07-01-2009, 03:23 PM
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