Soldier Won't Deploy Over Obama Birth Certificate

[tockit]

Rachel Weiner
07-14-09

The Army has revoked the deployment orders (http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/story/777472.html) for a soldier who said he shouldn't have to go to Afghanistan because (he believes) Barack Obama was never eligible to be president.

Because he's a reserve soldier who volunteered for an active duty tour he can "ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty," a public affairs officer explained. Cook volunteered for the tour in May of this year. It is not clear why he did so, considering his current objections.

* * * * *Obama birth certificate deniers won a small victory in court on Monday. Meanwhile, one such conspiracy theorist refused to deploy to Afghanistan on the grounds that Barack Obama isn't a legitimate president.

A judge said he would listen to "the merits" of Alan Keyes' case challenging Obama's presidency (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/opponents-of-barack-obamas-presidency-claim-small-court-victory.html). While a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office said the move was merely procedural, birth conspiracy proponents are encouraged:
Supporters of a case that disputes the legitimacy of Barack Obama's presidency claimed a small victory today when U.S. District Judge David O. Carter told them to fix their paperwork and that he would listen to "the merits" of their case. But others present for the hearing Monday at the federal courthouse in Santa Ana stressed that the case remains a long way from ever getting a full airing in court and may never get to that point. [...]
Perhaps because of that history, Orly Taitz, the lawyer who filed the current suit, was greatly cheered by Monday's hearing. "He's very determined to hear the case on the merits," Taitz said, referring to the judge. "He stated, the country needs to know if Mr. Obama is legitimate, if he can legitimately stay in the White House."
Orly Taitz, the lawyer in Keyes' case, is also representing a soldier who refuses to acknowledge Obama as his president (http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/breaking_news/story/776335.html). U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook has argued that he shouldn't have to go to Afghanistan because the man sending him there isn't really president.
In the 20-page document -- filed July 8 with the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Georgia -- the California-based Taitz asks the court to consider granting his client's request based upon Cook's belief that Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States and is therefore ineligible to serve as commander-in-chief of the U.S. Armed Forces.
Cook further states he "would be acting in violation of international law by engaging in military actions outside the United States under this President's command. ... simultaneously subjecting himself to possible prosecution as a war criminal by the faithful execution of these duties."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/14/stefan-frederick-cook-sol_n_231383.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/14/stefan-frederick-cook-sol_n_231383.html)

[fuldstændigamok]

This is just an article. What is YOUR point of view about that? You obviously must have one since you posted this......bullshit in the first place.

[tockit]

This is just an article. What is YOUR point of view about that? You obviously must have one since you posted this......bullshit in the first place.
My point of view is that he's probably not a US Citizen, but this case or any others regarding this issue will never see the light of day because he is BHO.

I'm more concerned with the social programs and the massive debt he keeps trying to place on our country.

[Claydon]

This thread is fucking gay and so is the soldier.

fuck him, call up a general court martial and throw his fucking ass away.

How dare you speak to me as though I am some kind of junk yard dog, I am the President of the United States!

[freegood]

A contract is a contract. And one that retard signed in May....

You suit up even if we swore in Optimus Prime for US President.

[Stax]

A contract is a contract. And one that retard signed in May....

You suit up even if we swore in Optimus Prime for US President.

I'd fucking suit up for Prime.

ROLL OUT!

[Claydon]

A contract is a contract. And one that retard signed in May....

You suit up even if we swore in Optimus Prime for US President.

but it's ok to usurp bankruptcy law/contract law if it is to bailout the auto industry.

I am just wondering where you would draw the line. I do not disagree with you, with regards to this issue.

[Morfin]

How many threads are you going to use that stupid line in? That is the second time this week.

[Limp]

CLAYDON HAS A POINT THAT NEEDS TO BE HEARD!

So does Arch, redsux, taters, and everyone else kicking the fuck out of all the dead horses around here.

[Claydon]

How many threads are you going to use that stupid line in? That is the second time this week.

I HAVE A POINT!

I R SPECIAL!

[HAWK]

It was wrong when they did this to Bush and it's wrong now.

[freegood]

but it's ok to usurp bankruptcy law/contract law if it is to bailout the auto industry.

I am just wondering where you would draw the line. I do not disagree with you, with regards to this issue.

Boning secured bondholders in favor of the UAW is not something I agree with or think that it should be a tool the President can use in emergencies.

[Fuh Q]

My point of view is that he's probably not a US Citizen, but this case or any others regarding this issue will never see the light of day because he is BHO.



There is pretty compelling evidence that he is a US citizen, why do you still believe he isn't? I've never seen anything that says he definitely isn't a US citizen, just unsubstantiated rumours. As sad as it is, I think Mr Obama needs to address this, or stuff like this is going to continue to happen.

[freegood]

What is there to address? I'm trying to understand how this substantiates as a conspiracy. You'd assume the vetting he underwent through state and federal levels would be sufficient.

It's not like Obama made three wishes and magically became a president. Yeah, his opponents in addition to the government were too inept and incompetent to discover he couldn't legally become president.

[Jack Bauer]

im sure there was checks. not like they wouldnt check.

[Claydon]

It was wrong when they did this to Bush and it's wrong now.

[HAWK]

Considering the US military is made of volunteers, he needs to STFU. You join the military knowing you will have to follow orders. Barring anything immoral or illegal (i.e. killing and raping innocent virgins for example) then serve your time and get out.

[Das Kahlua]

What is there to address? I'm trying to understand how this substantiates as a conspiracy. You'd assume the vetting he underwent through state and federal levels would be sufficient.

Not defending this 'conspiracy' (or whatever it is), but he wouldn't have needed to be a natural born citizen to serve as either Illinois State Senator or US Senator, so it might not have been an issue that was deemed relevant before.

Yeah, his opponents in addition to the government were too inept and incompetent to discover he couldn't legally become president.

Well, let's not lay the proof that he's a US citizen at the foot of the claim that 'our government can't be that incompetent...can it?'

As for the Republican party, they were in complete disarray, not sure about what they wanted their own platforms to be or which candidate they wanted to support, they didn't have all that much time for much else. In fact, it was left to people like Rush and Hannity to find out the dirt on Obama that they eventually used, from his associations with Ayers to speeches made by Rev. Wright, so I don't really give any of them that much credit. The criticisms they did make of Obama, they always had to temper so as not to look like racists and scare off even more potential voters.

Considering all of these idiots passed multiple billion-trillion dollar spending bills without even bothering to read them, I don't have much faith in any of them to ever do the right thing.

[HAWK]

Considering all of these idiots passed multiple billion-trillion dollar spending bills without even bothering to read them, I don't have much faith in any of them to ever do the right thing.

Curious... Do you really mean ALL or do you just mean the so-called liberals?

[Das Kahlua]

Curious... Do you really mean ALL or do you just mean the so-called liberals?

I mean all.

I consider myself a conservative, and true conservatism means smaller government, less interference and lower taxes and spending. Those views are pretty much diametrically opposed to the concept of a massive self-perpetuating government bureaucracy that needs to continue to increase the size of itself to justify its existence to those who have the power to vote them in or out of office.

That goes for everyone involved in these massive governmental spending orgies, whether they bow at the alter of the elephant or donkey.

[Mustard]

The soldier is wrong and stupid, and tockit is retarded and stupid.

[Das Kahlua]

The soldier is wrong and stupid, and tockit is retarded and stupid.

Do you and tockit want to get a room?

[Mustard]

You're way more his type. Don't lay your gay hang ups on me.

[Genius]

The soldier is wrong and stupid, and tockit is retarded and stupid.
Tockit is a soldier without limits. He is, truly, a No Limit Soldier.

[Das Kahlua]

You're way more his type. Don't lay your gay hang ups on me.

Common, Sink, you'd make a cute couple. Obama's going to overturn 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell,' you two can celebrate it together.

[freegood]

Not defending this 'conspiracy' (or whatever it is), but he wouldn't have needed to be a natural born citizen to serve as either Illinois State Senator or US Senator, so it might not have been an issue that was deemed relevant before.



Well, let's not lay the proof that he's a US citizen at the foot of the claim that 'our government can't be that incompetent...can it?'

As for the Republican party, they were in complete disarray, not sure about what they wanted their own platforms to be or which candidate they wanted to support, they didn't have all that much time for much else. In fact, it was left to people like Rush and Hannity to find out the dirt on Obama that they eventually used, from his associations with Ayers to speeches made by Rev. Wright, so I don't really give any of them that much credit. The criticisms they did make of Obama, they always had to temper so as not to look like racists and scare off even more potential voters.

Considering all of these idiots passed multiple billion-trillion dollar spending bills without even bothering to read them, I don't have much faith in any of them to ever do the right thing.

So you don't have faith in the government, his political opponents in the past 20 years, the donors who supported them with resources to uncover this, and the private interests who didn't want Obama to get elected.

Gotcha.

Try to have a nice day.

[BIG PIZZLE]

This "soldier" is letting the terrorists win.

[Jack Bauer]

can they not just take him out the back and shoot him

[fuldstændigamok]

can they not just take him out the back and shoot him
Who, The unpatriotic soldier or the unamerican president?

[tockit]

Retired General, Lieutenant Colonel join Reservist’s lawsuit over Obama's Birth Status
By Lily Gordon

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/story/778482.html

A controversial suit brought by a U.S. Army reservist has been joined by a retired Army two-star General and an active reserve Air Force Lieutenant Colonel.

Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook filed the suit July 8 in federal court here asking for conscientious objector status and a preliminary injunction based upon his belief that President Barack Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States and is therefore ineligible to serve as president of the United States and commander-in-chief of the U.S. Armed Forces.

However, before the issue got to court, Cook’s orders to deploy to Afghanistan were revoked. Lt. Col. Maria Quon, a public affairs officer with the U.S. Army Human Resources Command-St. Louis, said Tuesday that Cook was no longer expected to report Wednesday to MacDill Air Force Base in Florida for mobilization to active duty.

Cook, who claims he is now the victim of retaliation due to his suit, received his mobilization orders to report for active duty at MacDill on Wednesday. From there, he was to go to Fort Benning on Saturday for deployment to Afghanistan.

Cook is an Individual Mobilization Augmentee. This means he’s a reserve soldier assigned to an active component unit consisting of active duty soldiers instead of a reserve unit, which is composed entirely of reserve soldiers. He is assigned to the U.S. Army Element of U.S. Southern Command.

Last week, Cook filed a request in federal court seeking a temporary restraining order and status as a conscientious objector represented by California attorney Orly Taitz.

The government, in its response to the suit, claims that Cook’s suit is “moot” in that he already has been told he doesn’t have to go to Afghanistan, so the relief he is seeking has been granted.

“The Commanding General of SOCCENT (U.S. Special Operations Central Command) has determined that he does not want the services of Major Cook, and has revoked his deployment orders,” the response states.

In a pleading revised after the revocation of Cook’s orders, Taitz argues that the application for preliminary injunction is not moot and that retired Maj. Gen. Carol Dean Childers and active U.S. Air Force reservist Lt. Col. David Earl Graeff have joined the suit “because it is a matter of unparalleled public interest and importance and because it is clearly a matter arising from issues of a recurring nature that will escape review unless the Court exercises its discretionary jurisdiction.”

Cook’s resubmitted Application for Preliminary Injunction is meant to encompass the possibility of Cook receiving future orders for deployment as well as to address and prevent “negative collateral consequences such as retaliation against Major Stefan Frederick Cook ...”

As to the retaliation issue, the revised suit states Cook lost his job at Simtech Inc., a corporation that does Department of Defense contracting in the field of information technology/systems integration, because of the suit.

It also states that Cook has been subjected to “gossip” from people who believed Cook was “manipulating his deployment orders to create a platform for political purposes.”

Taitz, who has challenged the legitimacy of Obama’s presidency in other courts, filed the original suit with the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Georgia. Two similar suits have previously been thrown out of federal court.

In the filing, Cook states he “would be acting in violation of international law by engaging in military actions outside the United States under this President’s command. … simultaneously subjecting himself to possible prosecution as a war criminal by the faithful execution of these duties.”
A hearing to discuss Cook’s requests is scheduled to take place in federal court here this morning at 9:30 a.m.

[Whiffleball]

http://www.ajc.com/news/soldiers-suit-against-obama-presidency-dismissed-92933.html?printArticle=y

A federal judge this morning dismissed a suit filed by a U.S. Army reservist who objected to deployment in Afghanistan because he said he believes Barack Obama was never legally eligible to be the president.

U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook filed a request with the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Georgia on July 8 seeking a temporary restraining order and status as a conscientious objector.

Cook believes that Obama was ineligible to become president and commander-in-chief because he is not a natural-born U.S. citizen, the paper reported.

Cook’s orders to report to MacDill Air Force Base in Florida for mobilization Wednesday were revoked, public affairs officer Lt. Col. Maria Quon told the Ledger-Enquirer. She said she could not say why the deployment orders were revoked.

Judge Clay Land sided with the defense, led by Maj. Rebecca Ausprung, who said that because Cook’s deployment orders were revoked, his suit is “moot,” the Columbus Ledger-Enquirer reported.

Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, two years after it became a state. Hawaiian state health officials verified Obama’s birth certificate in October.

Cases challenging Obama’s citizenship have been rejected by courts in Ohio, Seattle and Philadelphia, as well as by the Supreme Court.

Temple University law professor Peter Spiro, who specializes in immigration and international law, said that because Obama was born in Hawaii on American soil, he is a citizen and therefore eligible to be president.

Taitz’s 20-page court request stated that Cook “would be acting in violation of international law by engaging in military actions outside the United States under this President’s command. ...simultaneously subjecting himself to possible prosecution as a war criminal by the faithful execution of these duties,” the Ledger-Enquirer reported.

Cook is an Individual Mobilization Augmentee, or a reserve soldier assigned to an active component unit for duty, the paper reported. He submitted a formal written request to Human Resources Command-St. Louis on May 8 volunteering to serve one year in Afghanistan.

– The Associated Press contributed to this report.


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[Whiffleball]

http://www.hereticalideas.com/2009/07/is-barack-obama-an-american-citizen/

During the 2008 Presidential campaign, a rumor began circulating on fringe internet websites that Barack Obama was not, in fact, an American citizen. It was claimed that he was not born in the state of Hawaii, and because his mother was not yet nineteen and his father a British citizen, this meant that Barack Obama was not, legally, a citizen of the United States.

Despite its fringe nature, those who believe this to be true (often called “Birthers”) have been very loud in the media as of late. CNN host Lou Dobbs has expressed his skepticism that Obama is an American citizen. So, too, have prominent conservatives Rush Limbaugh, G. Gordon Liddy, and Liz Cheney.

It might seem, to the average person, that the “Birthers” must have a tough time proving their case. After all, Barack Obama has released his Certification of Live Birth (pictured above), which meets all the requirements for proving one’s citizenship to the State Department. The authenticity of the certificate has been verified by Hawaii state government. Moreover, Barack Obama’s birth announcement was found in two newspapers at the time, and such notices were provided directly by the Hawaii Department of Health.

Faced with this overwhelming evidence, the average person will no doubt shrug and consider the case closed. There is no question that the evidence points to the conclusion that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and is therefore a “natural-born citizen.”

No question, that is, if you accept the dominant paradigm of metaphysical realism. That is, the idea that things exist independent of the mind and that those things are perceivable and knowable. Moreover, those who insist that Barack Obama is an American citizen also rely on philosophic naturalism–the idea that reality is subject to objective, knowable natural laws that can’t be tampered with.

However, if one rejects these two philosophic concepts, it’s quite easy to demonstrate that Barack Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States and is therefore constitutionally ineligible to be President of the United States.

Cognitive Relativism Shows That Obama Is Not A Citizen

Cognitive relativism is a school of philosophic thought that holds that an idea is only true if it is true within a particular conceptual framework that is subjective to an individual or a particular social group. With respect to the Birthers, then, we can see how Barack Obama is not an American citizen. The conceptual framework makes this an impossibility. After all, according to the Birthers, it is impossible for the short-form Certification of Live Birth to be acceptable proof that Barack Obama because their conceptual framework simply doesn’t allow for this to be true.

Accordingly, it must then be true that Barack Obama’s step-Grandmother saw him born in Kenya, even though she specifically denies that claim. Sarah Obama’s denial simply does not fit in with the conceptual framework of the Birthers, and so what she says cannot be true, and Barack Obama must have been born in Kenya. It’s a simple as that. Thus, because Barack Obama was born in Kenya, the law in 1961 means that his mother’s citizenship was not sufficient to grant American citizenship to Barack Obama. Therefore, Barack Obama is not a citizen.

The Law Of Attraction Shows That Obama Is Not A Citizen

Proving that Barack Obama is not an American citizen is not necessarily dependent on cognitive relativism. Other explanations exist as well. For example, in her book The Secret, Rhonda Byrne has discovered the heretofore unknown “Law of Attraction.” This “Law”, which according to Byrne underlies the entire functioning of the universe, states that thoughts themselves have an “energy” that is capable of controlling the universe by “attracting” reality to one’s thoughts. This is not easy, but it can happen with just a few steps:

1. Know what you want and ask the universe for it.

2. Feel and behave as if the object of your desire is on its way.

3. Be open to receiving it.

For the Birthers, what they want is unequivocal proof that Barack Obama was not born in the United States and is therefore not a citizen. Now, if the Birthers follow these three steps, the universe will make it happen. Indeed, since the Law of Attraction underlies the universe (no matter what science and reason dictate), it is very clear that when the Birthers follow these three steps, the very structure of space-time will alter. We will find Obama’s certified birth certificate fade, Back to the Future style, replaced with documents showing that he was really born in Kenya.

Impeachment will soon follow.

The Norse Myths Show That Obama Is Not A Citizen

Another metaphysical possibility demonstrating that Obama is not a citizen is Norse Mythology. Prominent in Norse myth is the God Loki, who is a trickster god associated with fire and magic. Loki, like other gods, has enormous power over the universe. Indeed, in the Marvel Comics saga Ultimates 2, it was revealed that Loki has the power to shuffle the very fabric of space and time itself, making things disappear from perception. Loki used these powers in the Ultimates 2 saga to ensure that Thor was captured and imprisoned so that he could not interfere with Loki’s conquest of Asgard.

Clearly, Loki could have used his powers to change the fabric of space-time in order to make it appear that Obama was born in Hawaii when he, in fact, wasn’t. But why would Loki do such a thing? Simple. Loki is fated, according to Norse myth, to bring about Ragnarok–the end of the world. However, it is clear from the sagas that Ragnarok must be preceded by Fimbulvetr, the winter of winters. Fimbulvetr is described as being three years of winter with no summer in between.

What does this have to do with Obama? It’s simple. Obama has been essential in pushing through cap and trade legislation through the United States Congress, and his Administration has made it a major part of its agenda. But as Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle point out in their tome Fallen Angels, preventing the greenhouse effect would lead the Earth into a devastating ice age. In other words, Obama’s Cap and Trade Agenda will directly lead to Fimbulvetr. As no real American would sponsor legislation that would lead to the Twilight of the Gods, it was necessary for Loki to use his powers to make Obama appear to be an American citizen so that Obama’s election to the Presidency would be assured.

Clearly, Loki’s influence into American Presidential elections should be stopped and Obama should be immediately impeached for making use of a foreign power to obtain the Presidency.

Conclusion

While traditional adherence to quaint philosophic concepts might make it appear that the evidence overwhelmingly favors the conclusion that Barack Obama is a United States citizen, it is clear that this cannot be the case so long as we don’t pay any attention to the idea that there is an objective reality.

Cognitive Realism, the Law of Attraction, and Norse Mythology all provide plausible philosophic justification for ignoring evidence and logic. Accordingly, because Obama’s claim to American citizenship is only supported by evidence and logic, he must not be an American citizen. Thus, Barack Obama is not eligible to be President of the United States.

It’s perfectly logical.

[desert scorpion]

Not only is that 'man' (well, half man) not a citizen, he is a black mooslim extremist. I cannot believe the idiot liberals and traitors that actually voted for that militant. I would not fight for one of those porch sitting ghetto dwellers either.

[Okie Medicvet]

where the fuck did this racist asshole come from and why can't we ban this stupid schmuck?

[desert scorpion]

where the fuck did this racist asshole come from and why can't we ban this stupid schmuck?

What have I said that is racist? Am I a liberal PC talking hippy? No. I am simply commenting on my thoughts.

I dont hate anyone. I 'hate' traitors who want to weaken our founding fathers great nation. I 'hate' weak people who blame others for all their lives problems, while those same others are the reason why those people are not cutting each other arms off and eating each other in some jungle.

If anything, those people you feel such a need to protect and defend hate you. And I am sure I am not the only person who believes this. It seems no one else here but the liberal sheep seem to have a problem with my expressing my ideals (no shock there). Cant I simply express myself like anyone else here?

[desert scorpion]

Sorry, mistaken post.

[Okie Medicvet]

you all but called a black a porch monkey. Get fucking real. YOU need to be banned or have some disciplinary action done against you. But then again, maybe that's why I'm not a mod (besides the fact that I never wanted to be one.)

[Owen the Plain]

Let him be racist. Its amusing, they're a dying breed these days.

[HAWK]

Reeally? I can't believe that.

[Vagrant]

This place has gone to shit when retards like the OP and the "porch monkey" asshole are able to get away with saying it without walking John Wayne style.

[Okie Medicvet]

Yah, when the adults are away, it looks like the kids will play. I mean, I understand that GMF is experiencing an 'abandon ship' mode and heading to greener pastures, so to speak, but shit like this just shouldn't be tolerated, period.

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[Nosebuckle]

You're a porch monkey

[watsmubic]

I'd fucking suit up for Prime.

ROLL OUT!

Amen to that, but I let's hope "Transformers 3" doesn't come out anytime soon.