General Discussion

[The Dude]

Discuss Fantasy Football in a Non-League Specific Place.

Ask the self-proclaimed Fantasy Gurus for advice on trades, rosters, etc...

[Pollo]

interesting thing I noticed about Yahoo this year: you can actually insert keepers if you're the commish and avoid the worry about someone not pre-setting their avoid lists of players.

[minsolo25]

hey fellas, was thinking about starting a fantasy football thread, but glad to see you guys took care of that. looking forward to another season and getting some opinions on upcoming trades, and pickups.. first 5 picks in a 12 team league... picking number 7, marion barber, ronnie brown, housz, anq. boldin, julius jones... didn't draft a qb until late due to the early run on them.. ended up with favre, and scrub leinart..qb is my weakness..how did your drafts go?

[Zilchoid]

From my research so far, I'd say 6, 7, and 8 are death knell spots for the first round this year. I think the quality of player drops off considerably after the top 15 are gone. You may wind up with a Top 5 RB, Brady, Manning, or Moss, but your second and third round prospects aren't worth the value of the pick.

[favre4life96]

Hey guys, I'm in a keeper league where we get to keep 4 players of our choice, i have 3 that are locked in for sure (Peterson (3rd rd pick), Lynch (2nd rd pick), and Grant(last rd pick) Who should I keep with my 4th keeper, Hasselbeck ( 8th round pick) Santonio Holmes (4th Round pick) or Roddy White (would be second to last round).

[nuclearjew]

I'd say Roddy White out of those.

[favre4life96]

that was my gut feeling too, but im worried about him having a rookie, matt ryan, throwing to him...but then again he had redman and harrington last year.....cant be much worse

[nuclearjew]

Rumor is he's having a good rapport with Ryan thus far. And yeah, he exploded last year even though he had Shit, Piss and Vomit throwing to him.

[nuclearjew]

And I'm assuming the way your keepers work is you replace your round's draft pick with that keeper? If so, Roddy White is great value in the 2nd to last round.

[favre4life96]

yeah you got it right on how the keepers work....the only thing that I am worried about is if I dont keep Hasselbeck, that I will have shit to choose from for QB's since all the good guys will be locked up.
But since i am not keeping my 1st or 4th round guys from last year, I could always go with a Qb at that spot

[Menace2Sobriety]

I'd take Santonio Holmes ahead of Roddy. Falcons aren't going to be throwing as much and Holmes is set to break out in a big way. I'd consider Roddy over Grant depending on scoring/format.

[nuclearjew]

I'd take Santonio Holmes ahead of Roddy. Falcons aren't going to be throwing as much and Holmes is set to break out in a big way. I'd consider Roddy over Grant depending on scoring/format.
When would you ever consider Roddy White over Ryan Grant?!? Maybe if the format were negative points for rushing yards.

Grant is a no-brainer keeper. Especially considering he got him in the last round.

Noob!

[favre4life96]

grant is a top 12 running back, holmes can be so inconsistent, although, last year he showed that he could be a deep threat

[Pollo]

I had Holmes last year, and he's a headache to have as an owner. you start him one week, he only gets 15 receiving yards. next week, he gets 2 TDs with 100 rec. yards. obviously you want to play the best WRs for the matchups their getting vs. secondaries, but Holmes is always a guessing game.

I really think Pittsburgh will have a tough time this year seeing they arguably have the toughest schedule.

[Gary_Busey]

Anyone pick Chris Johnson? He's going to be a sleeper for a lot of people.

[nuclearjew]

Anyone pick Chris Johnson? He's going to be a sleeper for a lot of people.
I don't think he'll be much of a sleeper after running off that 60+ yard TD. I imagine he's on some radars now. And with as fat, dumb and lazy as Lendale White is, there is a big possibility Chris Johnson could get 200 touches.
Chris Johnson-RB- Titans Aug. 14 - 12:02 pm et

The Nashville Tennessean writes that Chris Johnson could "perhaps" overtake White as the Titans starter if he plays well early in the regular season.
The note is somewhat buried in a feature on Johnson, but it's clear that the rookie's role is growing by the week. With a strong offensive line and plenty of carries to go around, we see both Titans backs as undervalued. Johnson's role is looking more like a Maurice Jones-Drew role than a third-down back, which makes him a rising RB3 pick.

[Gary_Busey]

He looked pretty strong tonight. He made some amazing runs for us last year, he's definitely fun to watch.

[Menace2Sobriety]

When would you ever consider Roddy White over Ryan Grant?!? When I can only start 2 backs and need a starting receiver.

[Sex Cannon]

I'm in a keeper league and I'm starting to get cold feet about keeping Adrian Peterson. Between Tavaris Jackson, injury concerns and his boom or bust games (some article said 4 of his last 6 games he was under 10 points) would I be any better off keeping Braylon Edwards, Big Ben or Frank Gore?

My gut is starting to tell me keep Big Ben.

[nuclearjew]

You have to keep Adrian Peterson. Heck, if you have cold feet, trade him for a treasure trove of stuff.

[Sex Cannon]

I do like troves and bootys and other things of pirate nature.

[Pollo]

I'm in a keeper league and I'm starting to get cold feet about keeping Adrian Peterson. Between Tavaris Jackson, injury concerns and his boom or bust games (some article said 4 of his last 6 games he was under 10 points) would I be any better off keeping Braylon Edwards, Big Ben or Frank Gore?

My gut is starting to tell me keep Big Ben.

I think this is a no-brainer in keeping AP. yes his injury concerns worry me, but heck after watching him play teams with solid defensive lines like SD, Chi, etc., I've convinced in his abilities plus with how good Minnesota's offensive line is, the choice has to be him.

now if it's not him, it has to be Gore/Edwards. why keep Big Ben? you can always draft him later midway.

[Penguin Rick]

Which Jets receiver do you guys like more, Coles or Cotchery? I think both will have nice years since they got a solid QB now, but if given both options, which one would you guys go for?

[Pollo]

I'm thinking Cotchery.

[Lone Wolf]

I have my first drafts next weekend, and do not feel prepared at all for this

[Penguin Rick]

I've already drafted in both my money leagues. And now all I've got to wait for is the GMF draft on Monday.

[Lone Wolf]

Wow money leagues already. That's risky stuff

[Grenader23]

What are your thoughts on Michael Turner?

[Pollo]

Tua can definitely give you some better insight into this, but it's all on their offensive line -- last year, Atlanta was 26th in the league in total rushing yards (7th worst in the NFL). now that Warrick Dunn is gone plus Turner sharing the load with Norwood, I think he'll be decent depending on the number of carries he gets (last year, Dunn had 227 to Norwood's 107). Dunn still put up decent numbers (720 rush yards, 238 rec yards, 4 TD).

I think he could get himself roughly 1000 rush yards, maybe 6 TDs. he wasn't really used for receptions in SD, so that is anyone's guess. you do have to wonder if he can carry the load now as the main RB.

[Penguin Rick]

Wow money leagues already. That's risky stuff

Srs bizness man.

And Turner is one of those guys I'd try to avoid if I can. He's a damn good downhill runner but there's not much going for the Falcons right now. Norwood looked pretty good last year and I'd expect him to get more carries than last year, but there's also the issue of a rookie QB who's probably going to start and no big TE anymore to help him out. And that o-line is pretty bad too.

[Sex Cannon]

I had a 14 team 14 round draft today. Yikkkes. I ended up looking pretty good though.

[Zilchoid]

Yesterday I participated in an auction draft for the first time. It was awesome. Fast-paced and fun, I think it's the fairest way to pick a team. Everybody's got a chance at LT, Manning, Brady, etc. You've just got to be willing to spend the cash.

[ShitBreak]

DONT FORGET

Our GMF "Through the Uprights" league has our draft tonight at 8:15 EST/7:15 Central.

[Banon]

Randy Moss
Terrell Owens
Andre Johnson
Reggie Wayne
Larry Fitzgerald
T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Chad Johnson
Braylon Edwards
Marques Colston
Santonio Holmes
Plaxico Burress
Wes Welker
Steve Smith
Brandon Marshall
Roy Williams
Greg Jennings
Calvin Johnson
Lee Evans
Roddy White
Anquan Boldin
Santana Moss
Dwayne Bowe
Hines Ward
Chris Chambers
Marvin Harrison

[Zilchoid]

The first two Johnsons on that list are overrated. The third is underrated.

[Banon]

I noticed my thread was moved which isn't a problem but couldn't we get a QB, WR, RB, K, and DEF thread where everyone can list their top 20 or 25? It could set for some useful go-bys on draft day.

[ShitBreak]

No need for that, really....there are hundreds of sites out there that give you a top 20 list as each position for free.

[Banon]

What if this is the only site people come to? Or the only site that knows what the fuck they're talking about?

[ShitBreak]

No one comes to this site to get fantasy football information.

But if you feel the need, then go ahead.

[Banon]

That's because there isn't any fantasy information to get here. Hince the idea of adding information.

[minsolo25]

What are your thoughts on Michael Turner?
liking turner a lot this year, considering that atlanta is going to run a lot more with ryan under center. would definitely handcuff with norwood..

[minsolo25]

hated my drafting of ronnie brown in round 2, but there is hope as a rumor is going around that he may be traded to the bears or lions. i can only hope.

[minsolo25]

hope it's cool starting this thread.

my choices are:

touchdown there

sunday touchdowns (STDs)

[Spanky]

ill bite:

league 1) The Brownstars
league 2) The Dirty Brown Wrap Arounds

[Pollo]

keep it in the NFL fantasy thread.

[Zilchoid]

I've never been one for the "silly" fantasy team names. I once had a team called "Zilchoid's Zeroes," but that was about it.

[minsolo25]

sorry, didn't mean to post topic in this thread.. was trying to start a new one.. my bad..i'll try not to let that happen again.

[smith42687]

I'm looking for a GMF League... any open?

[Jason]

I ended up with both Marion Barber and Brian Westbrook in my draft. I had Michael Turner as a backup because I thought he could have a breakout year, but he had the same bye week as one of them so I switched him out for Selvin Young. I got two solid QBs too, Ben Roethlisberger and Matt Hasselbeck. I've never played fantasy before, so I'm looking forward to it.

[Zilchoid]

I ended up with both Marion Barber and Brian Westbrook in my draft.

Either you're in an 8-team league or you play against morons. If its the latter, I'd like to invite your friends to play in a money league.

[Penguin Rick]

I don't even know if that's possible in a 8-team draft. Westbrook should go #4 at the latest, and that means Barber went #13 overall.

[Zilchoid]

I was at Hooters' last night and saw an 8-team league drafting there. They had Westbrook at #3 and Barber somewhere in the second half of Round Two, as there were quite a few QB's and WR's taken in the first two rounds. So, it's possible, just not probable.

[Genius]

Would someone like to plan my draft out for me? I was in three leagues last year and sucked balls in all of them. I need a strategy.

[bpb]

I don't even know if that's possible in a 8-team draft. Westbrook should go #4 at the latest, and that means Barber went #13 overall.

Considering that RBBC are slowly decreasing the 2 RBs in the first two rounds rule and with other Players like Brady/Moss becoming first round picks, it's not really that far fetched.

[Zilchoid]

Following Banon's Lead...

Zilchoid’s Top 25 QB’s:

1 – Peyton Manning
2 – Tom Brady
3 – Drew Brees
4 – Tony Romo
5 – Ben Rothlisberger
6 – Carson Palmer
7 – Matt Hasselbeck
8 – Derek Anderson
9 – Donovan McNabb
10 – Marc Bulger
11 – Jay Cutler
12 – Eli Manning
13 – Brett Favre
14 – Phillip Rivers
15 – Jake Delhomme
16 – Matt Schaub
17 – Aaron Rodgers
18 – David Garrard
19 – John Kitna
20 – Jeff Garcia
21 – Matt Leinart
22 – Vince Young
23 – Jason Campbell
24 – Kurt Warner
25 – Tavaris Jackson

-If you're picking first, go with proven and consistent Manning over Brady. You're using a first-round pick, so make sure you're gonna get bonafide plug-and-play production.

-Brees over Romo, because the Saints will pass just as much as they did last year and the Cowboys should run more than they did last year.

-Palmer gets an extra notch up due to the recent signing of Chris Henry. Palmer and the Bengals did better with Chris Henry last year than without him.

-McNabb should be higher, but he won't start all 16 games this year, which brings him down a couple of notches.

-Cutler, Eli, Rivers, and Favre are pretty much interchangeable. If you're waiting to select a QB until this point, go with whichever one you think is more fun to root for.

[Pollo]

Would someone like to plan my draft out for me? I was in three leagues last year and sucked balls in all of them. I need a strategy.

it's really hard to make a strategy since it all depends where you select. if you have the #1 or 2 pick, then you know you're taking LT or AP -- so you'll have your workhouse RB. by the time the next round comes along, you'll probably be looking for another RB or a top WR ... and names like Maroney, Jones-Drew, Brandon Jacobs, McGahee, Steve Smith, Braylon Edwards, Fitzgerald, etc. could/will be on the board. the one thing I will say is that you can never have enough RBs with the pounding they take each week, so my advice is to always get at least 4 RBs in any draft (and since you'll have a top RB -- then take his handcuff, or Jacob Hester or Chester Taylor so barring any injury happens to LT or AP, you'll have their backup. never reach for a kicker until the last round, and don't freak out that someone takes a defense in the 6th or so round -- that's highly overreaching. rather, take some quality receivers and RBs that will do your bench well barring any injury happens. TE has always been a position of few good players, but this year there are quite a few good ones -- I'd try to get one by round 6-7 because the available TEs after that are mostly hit or miss.

I know this isn't the most helpful thing, but it really all goes on where you're picking.

[minsolo25]

Would someone like to plan my draft out for me? I was in three leagues last year and sucked balls in all of them. I need a strategy.

one strategy i always go into a draft with is running back the first two rounds.. of course it matters what scoring system you have in place, number of players per team, and amount of teams in your league. but in a typical league with typical scoring, i always go RB the first two rounds. and WR third. (i was able to nab housz in round 3, 12 team league) there are a lot of quality WR that can get 1000 yards this year, but there are a lot less quality running backs. if one of the big four qb's (brady, manning, romo, brees) are there after round 5, i'd nab them. otherwise, stick to drafting quality rb and wr to add depth to your team. as for tight ends, you can wait and get quality in later rounds. i nabbed shockey in round 10. draft defense late, there's always an idiot drafting chicago in round 5 or 6, and that's just plain dumb. kickers always last round.

hope that helps. good place to check out is FFTODAY.com a lot of cool forums and a good place to get quality info and help. sorry his respomse is so long guys.

[Pollo]

one strategy i always go into a draft with is running back the first two rounds.. of course it matters what scoring system you have in place, number of players per team, and amount of teams in your league. but in a typical league with typical scoring, i always go RB the first two rounds. and WR third. (i was able to nab housz in round 3, 12 team league) there are a lot of quality WR that can get 1000 yards this year, but there are a lot less quality running backs. if one of the big four qb's (brady, manning, romo, brees) are there after round 5, i'd nab them. otherwise, stick to drafting quality rb and wr to add depth to your team. as for tight ends, you can wait and get quality in later rounds. i nabbed shockey in round 10. draft defense late, there's always an idiot drafting chicago in round 5 or 6, and that's just plain dumb. kickers always last round.

hope that helps. good place to check out is FFTODAY.com a lot of cool forums and a good place to get quality info and help. sorry his respomse is so long guys.

that definitely seems to be the most common strategy players employ, and that works for picks you have near the end of round 1. however, I think for players that have top picks which have the fortune of getting LT, AP, Addai, Jackson, or Westbrook, it may be different since you don't know what RBs (if any that attract you) end up being in your lap in round 2. I, for one, don't seem to be attracted to Maroney or someone like McGahee and Jamal Lewis is such a big risk as a round 2 pick ... so if someone like Edwards, Steve Smith, or other top WRs are there, I'm definitely grabbing one or heck two if there's still one up for grabs in round 3. there are still good RB prospects in the mid rounds, some which you probably will need to reach for since you can never have enough RBs. also, among those QBs which has a chance of going in round 5, I give it almost a 0% chance of happening -- round 4 at the latest, and that's mainly for Brees. lastly, for TEs, if you're gonna take a guy like Shockey, you might as well take a solid TE backup/sleeper to avoid any injury problems he may have since you know he'll come across one.

I guess I try to think outside the traditional RB-RB picks in the first two rounds (usually if I have a pick in the top 5), but if you have a pick let's say 8th-10th overall, then I would definitely employ it.

[Penguin Rick]

Is it bad having two receivers on the same team? I got both Coles and Cotchery, so should I get rid of one, and if I should, which one?

[bpb]

Is it bad having two receivers on the same team? I got both Coles and Cotchery, so should I get rid of one, and if I should, which one?

As long as they are the only two that you have on the same team then I say it's good to keep both. It's hard to choose because Coles will probably get you yardage points and some TDs while Cotchery could be that receiver who gets the long yardage TDs. The Jets O-line should be good enough to give Favre time to sling it down the field.

[Jericho]

Is it bad having two receivers on the same team? I got both Coles and Cotchery, so should I get rid of one, and if I should, which one?
The year that the Vikings went apeshit, I had Moss and Carter,and won the league. That being said, Coles and Cotchery are no Moss and Carter. Get red of Coles. His name isn't Jerricho

[bpb]

Can't argue with logic.

[Zilchoid]

that definitely seems to be the most common strategy players employ, and that works for picks you have near the end of round 1. however, I think for players that have top picks which have the fortune of getting LT, AP, Addai, Jackson, or Westbrook, it may be different since you don't know what RBs (if any that attract you) end up being in your lap in round 2. I, for one, don't seem to be attracted to Maroney or someone like McGahee and Jamal Lewis is such a big risk as a round 2 pick ... so if someone like Edwards, Steve Smith, or other top WRs are there, I'm definitely grabbing one or heck two if there's still one up for grabs in round 3. there are still good RB prospects in the mid rounds, some which you probably will need to reach for since you can never have enough RBs. also, among those QBs which has a chance of going in round 5, I give it almost a 0% chance of happening -- round 4 at the latest, and that's mainly for Brees. lastly, for TEs, if you're gonna take a guy like Shockey, you might as well take a solid TE backup/sleeper to avoid any injury problems he may have since you know he'll come across one.

I guess I try to think outside the traditional RB-RB picks in the first two rounds (usually if I have a pick in the top 5), but if you have a pick let's say 8th-10th overall, then I would definitely employ it.
Wouldn't this all depend on the type of league? All TD's 6 points, points per reception, and starting roster makeup all should influence draft strategy. For instance, in a 6 pt TD-all and PPR league starting 1 QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE; you would have to look at going QB/WR combo with the first two picks, especially if you're picking between #5 and #10 in the first round (e.g. Manning&Wayne, Brees&Colston).

Also, if the logic goes that you need a lot of RB's, since they get banged up...wouldn't the opposite also be true? That is, since RB's get banged up, there will always be replacements on the waiver wire. Getting a stud QB and two stud WR's are a better option, provided you manage your team well and be forward thinking on the waiver wire.

[Pollo]

Wouldn't this all depend on the type of league? All TD's 6 points, points per reception, and starting roster makeup all should influence draft strategy. For instance, in a 6 pt TD-all and PPR league starting 1 QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE; you would have to look at going QB/WR combo with the first two picks, especially if you're picking between #5 and #10 in the first round (e.g. Manning&Wayne, Brees&Colston).

Also, if the logic goes that you need a lot of RB's, since they get banged up...wouldn't the opposite also be true? That is, since RB's get banged up, there will always be replacements on the waiver wire. Getting a stud QB and two stud WR's are a better option, provided you manage your team well and be forward thinking on the waiver wire.

yeah, you're absolutely right -- there are many factors that go into a draft strategy, so there are so many answers to this question. another big thing I look at when taking players is bye weeks -- so let's say if I take AP with the #2 pick, and hypothetically Maroney or Jamal Lewis is there for your taking in round 2, but Maroney has the same bye week (not based on fact, but just using it as an example) as AP. you may think one week without your top RBs isn't a bad thing, but it could make or break you for being a playoffs team. so it would lead me to taking Lewis over Maroney. I'm also not a fan of taking more than two significant players from one team, so if it's Randy Moss and Wes Welker I have, and they run into a bad matchup, this could spell trouble for you (in addition to having the same bye week).

[thestronz]

yeah, you're absolutely right -- there are many factors that go into a draft strategy, so there are so many answers to this question. another big thing I look at when taking players is bye weeks -- so let's say if I take AP with the #2 pick, and hypothetically Maroney or Jamal Lewis is there for your taking in round 2, but Maroney has the same bye week (not based on fact, but just using it as an example) as AP. you may think one week without your top RBs isn't a bad thing, but it could make or break you for being a playoffs team. so it would lead me to taking Lewis over Maroney. I'm also not a fan of taking more than two significant players from one team, so if it's Randy Moss and Wes Welker I have, and they run into a bad matchup, this could spell trouble for you (in addition to having the same bye week).

Bye weeks are a huge prob in my keeper league this year. I have Burress and Moss, who are both off Week 4. I always waste drop/adds working around bye weeks for TEs and Ks, so I think this year I'm gonna try and draft my TE and K from teams that are off week 4, leaving me more transactions to pick up sleepers.

Sure I'll lose week 4, but I have more room to take chances on other players. To try and work around it, I would have to waste two picks on shitty WRs anyways. It obviously depends on the league rules though.

[Zilchoid]

I'm also not a fan of taking more than two significant players from one team, so if it's Randy Moss and Wes Welker I have, and they run into a bad matchup, this could spell trouble for you (in addition to having the same bye week).

You're right about that. In my auction league, we had a guy take Driver, Jennings, and Grant. He immediately traded away Driver and Grant after the auction was finished. The QB/WR, QB/TE, or RB/DEF combo isn't bad, but anything else can only hurt more than help.

Bye weeks are a huge prob in my keeper league this year. Sure I'll lose week 4, but I have more room to take chances on other players. To try and work around it, I would have to waste two picks on shitty WRs anyways. It obviously depends on the league rules though.
I read an article in this year's Fantasy Football Index that said your win percentage actually gets better with the more players you have on bye the same week. Makes sense. You only take a beating one week, but are full strength (give or take a player) for every other week.

[Pollo]

You're right about that. In my auction league, we had a guy take Driver, Jennings, and Grant. He immediately traded away Driver and Grant after the auction was finished. The QB/WR, QB/TE, or RB/DEF combo isn't bad, but anything else can only hurt more than help.

I remember when I first started out playing FF, I know I had a trio of players from one team (don't remember), and I ended up falling below .500 to eventually not make the playoffs. I know they were good players, but not only does having the same bye week kick you in the ass, but one bad week and you're all but guaranteed to lose (and it happened more than once). so for Genius and others looking for advice, definitely don't take more than two good players from one team -- especially with some early picks you may have which are so valuable to your team's success.

[smith42687]

Still looking for a league, anyone else have an opening?

[Lone Wolf]

Question time ... who do you keep if you could only keep one Randy Moss or Marion Barber?

[Pollo]

Question time ... who do you keep if you could only keep one Randy Moss or Marion Barber?

wow, that's incredibly difficult to decide, but it depends on the league setting for PPR. IMO, I'd go with Moss. Barber isn't going to get 300+ carries, heck maybe not 250+ carries with Felix Jones there.

[Lone Wolf]

I'm trying to fill a league that is sitting at 17 teams, but can't draft until it has an even number. It is a Yahoo league, and its a live draft tomorrow at 2pm est. Pm me if you are interested in playing in league where you gotta go deep in the talent pool and plan on playing all year

[Lone Wolf]

C'mon, there's gotta be one guy out there that wants in this thing today

[bpb]

Had my draft this afternoon and I'm pretty pleased with it. 10 teams and 16 rounds. I had the 8th pick. I got Barber and Moss at the 8th and 13th pick. The guy at seventh drafted Reggie Bush. I damn near missed my pick because I was laughing so hard. I can start 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 2 Flex players (any combo of RB, WR, or TE), 1 TE, 1 K and 1 Def/ST. My only questionable weeks are 8 and 10. I won't have a Def/ST and TE on week 8 but all my other starters have favorable matchups so they might not be missed unless it's a close game then in week 10 I don't have my top RB and K but that's not that bad. This is the first year I feel really good about my team going in but of course now the injuries will come flowing through (*looking at you, McNabb*).

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[nuclearjew]

I'm not sure I like the picks of Deuce and Meachem. Was Ray Rice available? And is David Patten available? I'd rather have him than Meachem.

Devery Henderson-WR- Saints Aug. 21 - 12:27 pm et

Saints coach Sean Payton indicated that Devery Henderson is not on the roster bubble.
In fact, it appears Henderson will play ahead of Robert Meachem as a starter in the last two exhibitions. Payton says Meachem "still has a ways to go" to find a steady role. We've seen Meachem get taken way too early in drafts. Still, don't expect Henderson to keep the job all year.

[bpb]

Meachem is a sleeper pick and if need be there are other players available. I know Devin Hester didn't get picked up but I'm not sure I would take my chances on him. Deuce is kind of the same. I got him real late and he's a starter. If he produces then I have a decent backup and if not then I have someone I can drop early in the season and find that surprise player. I dropped the ball on Rice. I didn't know he was doing that well and McGahee having a lot of issues.

[nuclearjew]

Deuce is boom or bust but I'm expecting him to break down, I guess it doesn't matter since you probably won't be starting him anyways.

[bpb]

I looking through the free agents to see who is available. Here's some notables.

RBs:
Andre Hall Den #2 RB
Dominic Rhodes IND #2 RB
Correll Buckhalter PHI #2 RB
Fred Jackson BUF #2 RB

WRs:
Vincent Jackson SDC #2 WR
Devin Hester CHI #1 WR
Amani Toomer NYG #2 WR
Drew Bennett STL #2 WR

[Lone Wolf]

This is my team in an 18 team league, shit got shallow fast and I was snaked on three picks right before I went.

1.(4)Joseph Addai (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7779)
2.(33)Darren McFadden (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8781)
3.(40)Roy Williams (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6766)
4.(69)Julius Jones (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6802)
5.(76)David Garrard (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5994)
6.(105)Heath Miller (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7206)
7.(112)Donte' Stallworth (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5899)
8.(141)Tatum Bell (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6800)
9.(148)Tennessee (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/ten)
10.(177)Sidney Rice (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8298)
11.(184)Robbie Gould (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7520)
12.(213)Chad Pennington (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5047)
13.(220)Ernest Wilford (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6879)
14.(249)Chris Henry (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7259)
15.(256)Derrick Ward (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6994)
16.(285)Brandon Jackson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8317)
17.(292)Brandon Coutu (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9012)

[nuclearjew]

Ernest Wilford? Drop his ass!

[Lone Wolf]

For who there is nobody left

[bpb]

Surprised you got Brandon Jackson so late.

[Lone Wolf]

If I was smart 3 of my top 4 picks and several backups wouldn't have had week 4 byes.

[nuclearjew]

For who there is nobody left
I guess after 300 picks, there probably isn't anything left. But Wilford is barely the #3 WR on the worse offense in the league. I'd rather take Matt Jones.

[Lone Wolf]

He is still there, but I'm going to ride tha Wilford super sleeper train over the super sleepy Matt Jones right now

[Pollo]

alright, so I'm just curious: is having picks 6-8 the worst this year in a standard 10-team league?

I just started drafting just to practice for the hell of it for leagues next week, and I've gotten the #6 pick three times already, and I think it's the worst of the 6-8 region. I'm not the biggest fan of Barber (I just don't see him getting 275+ carries) plus with Martz in SF, I'm iffy on Gore. I do like Portis, but it seems I would be reaching for him at #6 with Moss still on the board.

the issue is that if I take Moss, I'm rolling the dice hard for a RB to fall to me in round 2, and I'm sure they'll get taken quickly. I was lucky in a latest draft to take Moss and have Ryan Grant fall to me, but I don't count on that happening again unless I want a guy like Jones-Drew being my #1 RB, which wouldn't make any owner comfortable.

so I guess my question is, what are most people doing with picks in that region, and am I perhaps underrating Barber or Gore?

[Lone Wolf]

I would go Randy Moss or Marion Barber and not even worry about it. If you get Moss you don't have to worry about WR for awhile. I like Barber, but he is all or nothing it seems. I don't like Gore at all

[Pollo]

plus the way I see it, if I'm taking a RB in round 1, I want a workhorse RB without having to worry about a committee, minus Adrian Peterson of course.

and if it's the #6 pick, Moss would be the choice?

[bpb]

After the top 5, you're not gonna feel comfortable about any RB you get. RBBC is now the wave of the future. Of course I'm biased but I think Barber is a descent pick around that spot. Yeah he's not getting most of the carries that Peterson or Tomlinson are getting but you can be damn sure he'll get the red zone carries. Moss isn't a bad choice either because the Patriots have the easiest schedule and motivation to try and replicate what they did last year with a different ending.

[nuclearjew]

Pollo, I don't know why you're worried about Barber. He's supposed to be a 3-down back this year...all indications are that he's golden. And at the #6 pick Portis should still be available, who is worth that high of a pick in my opinion.

[Dam]

Anyone ever get the rotoworld draft guide?

[Penguin Rick]

Schuab or Bulger?

[jcmanuel]

There must be some crap on the 18 team waiver wire

[Pollo]

Schuab or Bulger?

meh, I'm not the biggest fan of both (hopefully this a backup QB for you), but I'd say Schuab unless Bulger's offensive line can protect him better.

Pollo, I don't know why you're worried about Barber. He's supposed to be a 3-down back this year...all indications are that he's golden. And at the #6 pick Portis should still be available, who is worth that high of a pick in my opinion.

I guess my feeling is that if I'm taking a RB in round 1, I want to know if he'll get at least 300+ carries. now I'm not questioning his red-zone touches, but yardage I am. I'm sure he'll exceed 1000 yards easily, but 1200+ ... maybe. I would still take him over Gore, but I guess I'm still suck if I should take him or Moss if that situation happens.

[Penguin Rick]

Yea, Big Ben is my primary one.

[Pollo]

and hopefully you're aware Schaub nor Bulger share Pitt's bye week, because if one of them does, then the choice is simple.

[nuclearjew]

I guess my feeling is that if I'm taking a RB in round 1, I want to know if he'll get at least 300+ carries. now I'm not questioning his red-zone touches, but yardage I am. I'm sure he'll exceed 1000 yards easily, but 1200+ ... maybe. I would still take him over Gore, but I guess I'm still suck if I should take him or Moss if that situation happens.
There were only 6 RBs who got 300 carries last year, and two of them were Thomas Jones and Lendale White. I think you are overvaluing carries. Barber is going to be the starting RB on one of the most potent offenses in the NFL, he's a no-brainer in the first round. He had 204 carries last year in a timeshare, I'm sure he'll have close to 300 this year.

[bk3030]

Anyone ever get the rotoworld draft guide?

I did. And since I'm not playing in a league with any of you, I don't mind posting it in a pdf:

http://rapidshare.com/files/139664303/NFL_PDF.pdf.html (http://rapidshare.com/files/139664303/NFL_PDF.pdf.html)

[Pollo]

I did. And since I'm not playing in a league with any of you, I don't mind posting it in a pdf:

http://rapidshare.com/files/139664303/NFL_PDF.pdf.html

awesome. what would be great is if someone had a PDF of Pro Football Prospectus, the people which produce the KUBIAK projections.

[Papelgod]

Wasn't able to make my money league draft, but I convinced someone to take Willie Parker and Lee Evans for Randy Moss.

The 1-2 of Moss and Addai should hopefully win me my league.

My question is week one, do I start Warner vs. SF, Garrard vs. TEN, or Garcia vs. NO? I'm leaning towards Warner...

[steverino]

What is the story with Willie Parker? He is falling to late in the 3rd or early 4th on a couple of drafts I have seen.

[CrazyCarl]

he's got Mendenhall breathing down his neck, plus he broke his leg in December

[steverino]

Considering Parker's ever-declining value I am going to grab Mendenhall and hopefully he will get all the goal line scores for Pitt. Hopefully he can be the Mike Alstott or Marion Barber of the 2008

[ViewAskew]

alright, so I'm just curious: is having picks 6-8 the worst this year in a standard 10-team league?

I just started drafting just to practice for the hell of it for leagues next week, and I've gotten the #6 pick three times already, and I think it's the worst of the 6-8 region. I'm not the biggest fan of Barber (I just don't see him getting 275+ carries) plus with Martz in SF, I'm iffy on Gore. I do like Portis, but it seems I would be reaching for him at #6 with Moss still on the board.


If you get the 6-8 pick I would skip Moss, pick up Portis, and then get Peyton Manning for your second pick. I've never been in a league which gives WR's more points than RB's/QB's so picking up Moss would be a waste of a first pick. The Portis/Manning combo is probably the best RB/QB combo this year since most people pick Brady for their first pick and then all the running backs after the first 10 picks of the draft probably aren't as good as Portis.

[nuclearjew]

I'd be worried about Manning's bursa sac.

[Pollo]

If you get the 6-8 pick I would skip Moss, pick up Portis, and then get Peyton Manning for your second pick. I've never been in a league which gives WR's more points than RB's/QB's so picking up Moss would be a waste of a first pick. The Portis/Manning combo is probably the best RB/QB combo this year since most people pick Brady for their first pick and then all the running backs after the first 10 picks of the draft probably aren't as good as Portis.

that can be done, or you can wait until round 4 and pick up Palmer or Brees while taking a top notch receiver in round 2 instead of Manning.

[marquis]

I swear that I am drafting with the dumbest fucks in the universe right now.

[Zilchoid]

In both of my money leagues that draft, we had the top four quarterbacks going in the first round. However, it seems that most people posting here and the ADP's on various sites have only Brady or Brady and Manning going in the first round. We do 6 point passing TD's and 1 point per 20 passing yards. Is this what's pushing QB values so high?

Also, does anyone else here do the auction rather than draft? To me, it seems like auctions would make more sense in the leagues with more than 12 teams. You know, because everyone has a shot at the top dogs, rather than having to wait for 15 to 19 picks to go off the board.

[Jason]

I was at Hooters' last night and saw an 8-team league drafting there. They had Westbrook at #3 and Barber somewhere in the second half of Round Two, as there were quite a few QB's and WR's taken in the first two rounds. So, it's possible, just not probable.

Yeah, I am in an 8-team league and a few people are beginners. I managed that with pick #6. People did take some QBs early, but I still got Roethlisberger (and I am a Steelers/Pats fan so its fitting).

[Jason]

Alright, here is my roster (no draft position though). Like I said above, its an 8-team league. I've never done FF before, so please give me some feedback on my choices.

QB B. Roethlisberger (Pit - QB)
RB M. Barber (Dal - RB)
RB B. Westbrook (Phi - RB)
WR A. Boldin (Ari - WR)
WR C. Johnson (Cin - WR)
TE K. Winslow (Cle - TE)
R/W S. Holmes (Pit - WR)
PK R. Bironas (Ten - PK)
DST Indianapolis (Ind - DST)
BN S. Young (Den - RB)
BN S. Suisham (Was - PK)
BN R. Williams (Det - WR)
BN M. Hasselbeck (Sea - QB)
BN L. Smith (Phi - TE)
BN Pittsburgh (Pit - DST)
BN S. Smith (Car - WR)

[Crypter]

I got my Draft tomorrow.... It is an auction draft though.... any of you guys participate in an auction draft before? Any suggestions? Tips?

[smith42687]

I got my Draft tomorrow.... It is an auction draft though.... any of you guys participate in an auction draft before? Any suggestions? Tips?

Buy low, sell high.


But seriously, nominate the Shaun Alexander / Larry Johnson / great RB in the past who will end up sucking this year so other people overbid early. Also, if you have a player who is good but you don't like or don't want on your team, nominate them. Never nominate a player you actually want.



I still need a FF League....

[Zilchoid]

I got my Draft tomorrow.... It is an auction draft though.... any of you guys participate in an auction draft before? Any suggestions? Tips?
In addition to the comments in the previous post, I recommend:
-Nominate a top five tight end that you don't want as soon as possible. From my experience and tips from other auction veterans, someone will overbid on this guy.
-If you wind up being the top money guy on the board around the fourth of fifth round of nominations, nominate a player you're high on that you won't mind overbidding for, especially if it's a WR or QB.
-Stay away from Rookie QB's or WR's.
-On QB's and WR's outside of the Top 5, only bid up in increments of $1.
-Always nominate for $1.
-Lastly, don't spend more than $1 on a kicker.

[ViewAskew]

QB B. Roethlisberger (Pit - QB)
RB M. Barber (Dal - RB)
RB B. Westbrook (Phi - RB)
WR A. Boldin (Ari - WR)
WR C. Johnson (Cin - WR)
TE K. Winslow (Cle - TE)
R/W S. Holmes (Pit - WR)
PK R. Bironas (Ten - PK)
DST Indianapolis (Ind - DST)
BN S. Young (Den - RB)
BN S. Suisham (Was - PK)
BN R. Williams (Det - WR)
BN M. Hasselbeck (Sea - QB)
BN L. Smith (Phi - TE)
BN Pittsburgh (Pit - DST)
BN S. Smith (Car - WR)

1. Don't pick up Marion Barber for your second pick, he really is only worth a fourth/fifth pick (I don't know if he fell to a third/four pick or even lower in your draft I'm just saying this just in case you picked him for your second pick) because the RB situation in Dallas is exactly the same as last year's since Felix Jones is performing well, meaning Barber will only get 200-220 carries this season.

2. Start your Pittsburgh defense over Indianapolis, the Steelers always have a great defense, the Colts are way to inconsistent.

3. Your taking your chances on Boldin, for the QB situation in Arizona is a mess and it is uncertain how the Arizona WR's are going to fare. You probably are better off taking a guy like Dwayne Bowe or Chris Chambers because then you will at least know what your going to get from them in the upcoming year. Then again you can always start Steve Smith when he gets back from his suspension.

Besides that your team is pretty solid, Westbrook/Roethlisberger are going to rack up points. If Smith comes back around week 3 or 4 then your probably going to have one of the best wide receiving duo's in the league, that is if Chad Johnson doesn't bomb this year to try to get traded.

[Pollo]

1. Don't pick up Marion Barber for your second pick, he really is only worth a fourth/fifth pick (I don't know if he fell to a third/four pick or even lower in your draft I'm just saying this just in case you picked him for your second pick) because the RB situation in Dallas is exactly the same as last year's since Felix Jones is performing well, meaning Barber will only get 200-220 carries this season.

2. Start your Pittsburgh defense over Indianapolis, the Steelers always have a great defense, the Colts are way to inconsistent.

3. Your taking your chances on Boldin, for the QB situation in Arizona is a mess and it is uncertain how the Arizona WR's are going to fare. You probably are better off taking a guy like Dwayne Bowe or Chris Chambers because then you will at least know what your going to get from them in the upcoming year. Then again you can always start Steve Smith when he gets back from his suspension.

Besides that your team is pretty solid, Westbrook/Roethlisberger are going to rack up points. If Smith comes back around week 3 or 4 then your probably going to have one of the best wide receiving duo's in the league, that is if Chad Johnson doesn't bomb this year to try to get traded.

and this is why I was questioning Barber's carries for this season with Felix Jones on board if anyone gets picks 6-8 in any drafts this year. heck I think I'm coming to the point it might make more sense to take Moss or Brady at #6 at least from what I've encountered doing some mock drafts getting that pick.

I do agree with picking Pitt's defense, but with the hardest SOS in the league, they're going to be tested and probably will get banged up. if Seattle's defense is available, I would take a look at that and get rid of Indianapolis. and with the QB controversy in Arizona, if it ends up being Leinart, I assure you Boldin will be getting a fair share of looks whereas if it's Warner then Fitzgerald is going to get a bulk of receptions.

[Jason]

Yeah, I was wondering about the Barber/Jones situation. I am hoping since he's the bigger back that he will get most of the goal line carries. I think I got Marion Barber in the third round because people took QBs early, and Brady and Moss went in the 1st.

I am concerned about Chad Johnson's shoulder, so hopefully he plays well (since he is electing not to have surgery that he "needs"). And with Boldin it seemed like the trade demands were hush hush until recently, so I am a little concerned about that as well. The good thing about an 8-team league is that the talent pool is usually pretty deep, so you can get some quality free agents. Since I have a solid backup QB too I could potentially trade him and bank on Ben staying healthy and only missing the bye week if necessary.

Also I picked Pittsburgh defense before Indianapolis, but I think I did it based on the first week matchups. Maybe I will rexamine it though.

Thanks for the feedback.

[Zilchoid]

Here's my roster in my biggest money league. Snake Draft. 6pts all TD's. PPR. Decimal scoring. Starting Lineup is 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 flex. It's in order of how they were picked and I had #5 in the first round.

Steven Jackson - RB
Marques Colston - WR
Wes Welker - WR
Santonio Holmes - WR
Dallas Clark - TE
Joey Galloway - WR
Eli Manning - QB
Chester Taylor - RB
Vikings - DEF
Ray Rice - RB
Kurt Warner - QB
Josh Scobee - K

I'm planning to go start 1RB/3WR, unless Peterson gets hurt and Taylor becomes a starter, in which case, I'll trade away two of the receivers for one higher quality QB/RB/WR.

Comments?

[Jason]

Were you nervous about the SJ contract holdout?? What round did you get Welker in?? I don't like Eli out of spite because the Giants beat the Patriots but he has been solid in preseason. I almost took Minnesota defense but I didn't know about their pass defense. They should rack up a lot of sacks though, and maybe INTs from hurried throws. The only other concern is that currently Warner is #2 on the depth chart, but that could turn around because Leinart has been pretty unimpressive. I am hopinh Santonio Holmes emerges as a top WR this season.

[Zilchoid]

Steven Jackson's holdout ended the day of the draft, so that was no longer a worry.

Welker went in Round 3, which I thought was a bit of a reach.

Warner will be the starter soon, if not already. I've never thought Matt Leinart looked like an NFL quarterback since he took his first snaps with the Cardinals. I think with Kurt (as a starter) and Eli, I can play matchups and get the same overall points as a Carson Palmer or Ben Roethlisberger.

[Pollo]

Were you nervous about the SJ contract holdout?? What round did you get Welker in?? I don't like Eli out of spite because the Giants beat the Patriots but he has been solid in preseason. I almost took Minnesota defense but I didn't know about their pass defense. They should rack up a lot of sacks though, and maybe INTs from hurried throws. The only other concern is that currently Warner is #2 on the depth chart, but that could turn around because Leinart has been pretty unimpressive. I am hopinh Santonio Holmes emerges as a top WR this season.

I wouldn't dwell so much on the holdout Jackson had. so he avoids possibly getting hurt or anything happening to him plus it won't be hard to catch up with plays in the last two weeks.

I really think Holmes is in for a big year. typically in fantasy, you look for young emerging stars entering their 3rd year, the year they burst out -- which coincidentally this is Holmes' 3rd year. for instance, Braylon Edwards was in this position last year, and look how he ended up despite a change at QB. in this particular case, at least Holmes has chemistry with Big Ben, so this could result in big things, but I don't see Holmes producing Edwards' like numbers, but I could see 1100 rec. yards and at least 10-12 TDs.

[Jason]

I am hoping Roy Williams is in the same boat, although hes not in his third year yet.

[nuclearjew]

Did you mean Calvin Johnson?

[ViewAskew]

At the start of the year they were saying Mario Manningham would eventually surpass Toomer/Smith to get the #2 receiver spot on the Giants offense, then he had some petty injury which kept him out of a few weeks of training camp, but I think he is coming back this week. Does anyone know if he could still get that spot? Cause if he can he's a great last round steal since nobody is looking at him.

[Pollo]

I am hoping Roy Williams is in the same boat, although hes not in his third year yet.

this is going to be Roy Williams' 5th year in the league. however, he did have a career best in his 3rd year posting 1310 yards, 7 TDs in 82 receptions.

Did you mean Calvin Johnson?

if he did, he would of been wrong anyways since this is Johnson's sophomore year in the league.

[Crypter]

Hey guys.... so I had my draft last night (Auction Style). Man all the TOP guys were WAAAY overbid early on.... I think I kinda scewed up and ended up with not quite as good a team as I would have liked. What do you guys think? 12 team league...

QB - 6 pts for TD 1 pt every 25 yrds
RB - 6 pts TD 1 pt every 10 yards
WR/TE - 6 pts TD 1 pt every 10 yards .5 pts every reception

http://i38.tinypic.com/15s0ta8.jpg



I should clarify... I am a Miami Fan and so the Ginn and Carpenter picks were homer picks... I actually think Ginn has a breakout year... but we'll see

[Lone Wolf]

I'm having a hard time with drafting WRs this year. After the top ones are off the board I don't like anything I see. This is a 12 team league and I drafted 12th, the two TEs were picked because there is a WR/T slot in this league. Ray Rice was an accident pick I was trying to queue up instead of draft, and Janikowski is already gone. I think I did pretty poorly unless I can turn my RB depth into profit

1.(12)Larry Johnson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6363)
2.(13)Maurice Jones-Drew (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7809)
3.(36)Earnest Graham (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7108)
4.(37)Drew Brees (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5479)
5.(60)Dallas Clark (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6360)
6.(61)Tony Gonzalez (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/3950)
7.(84)Selvin Young (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8523)
8.(85)Ricky Williams (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4653)
9.(108)Donte' Stallworth (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5899)
10.(109)Sidney Rice (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8298)
11.(132)Ted Ginn Jr. (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8263)
12.(133)Ray Rice (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8832)
13.(156)Vincent Jackson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7237)
14.(157)Chris Henry (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7259)
15.(180)JaMarcus Russell (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8255)
16.(181)Brandon Jackson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8317)
17.(204)Sebastian Janikowski (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5046)
18.(205)Carolina (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/car)

[ViewAskew]

1.(12)Larry Johnson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6363)
2.(13)Maurice Jones-Drew (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7809)
3.(36)Earnest Graham (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7108)
4.(37)Drew Brees (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5479)
5.(60)Dallas Clark (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6360)
6.(61)Tony Gonzalez (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/3950)
7.(84)Selvin Young (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8523)
8.(85)Ricky Williams (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4653)
9.(108)Donte' Stallworth (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5899)
10.(109)Sidney Rice (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8298)
11.(132)Ted Ginn Jr. (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8263)
12.(133)Ray Rice (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8832)
13.(156)Vincent Jackson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7237)
14.(157)Chris Henry (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7259)
15.(180)JaMarcus Russell (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8255)
16.(181)Brandon Jackson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8317)
17.(204)Sebastian Janikowski (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5046)
18.(205)Carolina (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/car)

You shouldn't have drafted Jones-Drew second, he's talented but he only gets about 160-180 carries a year which means he really is only worth a 6th or 7th pick. Many people overrate Jones-Drew, so you should be able to trade him for a guy like Larry Fitzgerald or Marques Colston. If you don't like that trade then try trading Earnest Graham for maybe Joey Galloway or Andre Johnson. If Andre Johnson can stay healthy than he's going to have a monsterous year: he only played in 9 games and got 851 yards receiving and 9 touchdowns which easily makes him a better pick than Earnest Graham. Only trade one of your running backs though (I would personally trade Graham for Johnson) and then you should have a decent WR combination with Stallworth.

[Tiger]

the chargers will be a big disapointment this year
the bills are on the hot seat especially Dick Jauron

[Crypter]

Hey guys.... so I had my draft last night (Auction Style). Man all the TOP guys were WAAAY overbid early on.... I think I kinda scewed up and ended up with not quite as good a team as I would have liked. What do you guys think? 12 team league...

QB - 6 pts for TD 1 pt every 25 yrds
RB - 6 pts TD 1 pt every 10 yards
WR/TE - 6 pts TD 1 pt every 10 yards .5 pts every reception

http://i38.tinypic.com/15s0ta8.jpg



I should clarify... I am a Miami Fan and so the Ginn and Carpenter picks were homer picks... I actually think Ginn has a breakout year... but we'll see

So... nobody has any comments about my team?

[Penguin Rick]

How does an auction league work? I was invited to join one this year, but I'm already in 3 leagues (two that I paid money to enter), so I don't want to do anymore. I know you bid on players, but do you actually pay to get that player, or is it just phantom money that is part of your salary cap?

[nuclearjew]

So... nobody has any comments about my team?
You desperately need another RB. Kevin Smith is an unknown and Willie Parker might not be 100% because of his leg injury last year. Edwards and Cotchery are great but otherwise your WR are really lacking. QBs are solid. TEs are ok but with Utecht and Lee, you might've been better served getting a WR instead of a second TE.

[Crypter]

How does an auction league work? I was invited to join one this year, but I'm already in 3 leagues (two that I paid money to enter), so I don't want to do anymore. I know you bid on players, but do you actually pay to get that player, or is it just phantom money that is part of your salary cap?


Well basically in our league everyone gets $200 fake dollars to spend on players. Each manager gets a turn to nominate a player and then we do auction bidding on each player nominated. You must select 15 players so you have to leave yourself enough money to at least pay a dollar for scrap players if you decide to use all your cash to buy a couple of big name guys.

[Genius]

Why 4 points for a TD pass, people? What the fuck is this shit? I'm in TWO leagues that give 4 points for a TD pass, but FIVE points for a 50+ yard field goal! What the fuck?!?!?!? I know it's been the way lots of people have done it for years, but it has never made sense to me, and it still doesn't. A TD pass should always be worth more than a field goal, even if it's 110 yards.

[Crypter]

You desperately need another RB. Kevin Smith is an unknown and Willie Parker might not be 100% because of his leg injury last year. Edwards and Cotchery are great but otherwise your WR are really lacking. QBs are solid. TEs are ok but with Utecht and Lee, you might've been better served getting a WR instead of a second TE.


Well at RB I had a real problem because I took Addai first and then I got Parker much later on for practically nothing. In our league WR are a little more valuable then other leagues so I put an emphasis there and got Edwards and Cotchery. I went after Ginn cause he is the #1 reciever in Miami and it looks like he will be Pennington's goto guy. I think he is poised for a good year. Also he returns punts and may give me 1 or 2 TD's there. In addition to that I know I am lacking.. Meachem is supposed to be the #2 guy in NO and with all the attention Colston will demand he may get some good attention. Anyhow I feel pretty good about my WR's. But we'll see how Ginn performs.

You have a legit comment about my RB's cause I think Parker may get reduced carries depending on what Mendenhal does. I am worried about that, but maybe Kevin Smith steps it up.

I did the best I could, I think. But yea I am not so happy with my team overall... I guess time will tell....

[Crypter]

Why 4 points for a TD pass, people? What the fuck is this shit? I'm in TWO leagues that give 4 points for a TD pass, but FIVE points for a 50+ yard field goal! What the fuck?!?!?!? I know it's been the way lots of people have done it for years, but it has never made sense to me, and it still doesn't. A TD pass should always be worth more than a field goal, even if it's 110 yards.


in my league all TD's are 6 pts

[Genius]

Mendenhall has had trouble holding onto the football in the preseason, so I think a lot of people are overrating how many touches he'll get. Parker won't be what he was the last two years, but he's still going to get the majority of the carries.

[nuclearjew]

I could be wrong, I thought David Patten was the #2 in NO, which would make Meachem a #4 (since Shockey will also be in the mix for catches).

[Genius]

in my league all TD's are 6 pts
That's how it is in three of my leagues, and how it should be in ALL leagues. The person who came up with four points for a passing TD should never be allowed to play again.

[nuclearjew]

That's how it is in three of my leagues, and how it should be in ALL leagues. The person who came up with four points for a passing TD should never be allowed to play again.
In one league I'm in, the TD passes are only 3 pts, yet this didn't stop QBs from being like 5 of the 10 ten in total player points.

[Crypter]

I could be wrong, I thought David Patten was the #2 in NO, which would make Meachem a #4 (since Shockey will also be in the mix for catches).


Well right now nothing is set in stone in NO. There is a battle for that #2 WR spot and so far Meachem has been the best in the Pre-Season. So he may seize that spot if he continues to impress..

http://fantasynews.sportsline.com/fantasyfootball/story/10918284

Prediction: Patten remains No. 2 to start the season with Meachem the third option. Moore or Henderson gets cut because the Saints like Arrington. Fantasy owners should plan on drafting Meachem with a late-round selection and leaving Patten alone because Meachem has the most upside. He could be starting for the Saints by the end of the season.

BTW...I read this after I drafted him... I went on my own gut feeling. But it is nice to see someone has the same opinions as me.

[Zilchoid]

I could be wrong, I thought David Patten was the #2 in NO, which would make Meachem a #4 (since Shockey will also be in the mix for catches).
The coaching staff is in love with Meachem down here. He's been constantly mentioned in training camp reports and on sports radio. Plus, he stuck around New Orleans in the offseason and asked David Patten to be his mentor and teach him the game. Patten was honored and took Meachem under his wing.

He may not start the year as the #2, but he's on his way to being there. Plus, the Saints should throw the ball another 600+ times this year, so there's plenty of balls to go around. Also, Brees hangs Colston out to dry sometimes, so him missing a game or two would not be that surprising. If Colston does miss a start, Meachem would be a great fantasy play.

Downside includes Shockey and Bush stealing the little dump passes, and if Deuce McAllister is healthy, the Saints inside running game should pick back up, meaning less passing.

I'll be at the game vs the Dolphins tomorrow, I'll come back with a report about playing time and route running, if I'm not too blitzed after the game.

[ViewAskew]

ESPN has got Devery Henderson and Terrance Cooper above him on the depth chart. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/depth?team=nor

[Crypter]

The coaching staff is in love with Meachem down here. He's been constantly mentioned in training camp reports and on sports radio. Plus, he stuck around New Orleans in the offseason and asked David Patten to be his mentor and teach him the game. Patten was honored and took Meachem under his wing.

He may not start the year as the #2, but he's on his way to being there. Plus, the Saints should throw the ball another 600+ times this year, so there's plenty of balls to go around. Also, Brees hangs Colston out to dry sometimes, so him missing a game or two would not be that surprising. If Colston does miss a start, Meachem would be a great fantasy play.

Downside includes Shockey and Bush stealing the little dump passes, and if Deuce McAllister is healthy, the Saints inside running game should pick back up, meaning less passing.

I'll be at the game vs the Dolphins tomorrow, I'll come back with a report about playing time and route running, if I'm not too blitzed after the game.


nice.... I am a big Dolphins fan.. I am actually looking forward to this season. I think the Dolphins will be a better team than most people think. Assuming we do not have too many major injuries.

[Crypter]

ESPN has got Devery Henderson and Terrance Cooper above him on the depth chart. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/depth?team=nor


WTF does ESPN know....

[Zilchoid]

ESPN has got Devery Henderson and Terrance Cooper above him on the depth chart. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/depth?team=nor
Definitely wrong. Henderson might not make the team and Copper is a special teams ace. I'd bet next week's paycheck that Meachem finishes the seaons with more catches than both of those two combined (barring injury, of course).

Edit: It's Copper. I make the same mistake all the time.

[Zilchoid]

While on the topic of the Saints, the best RB on the team is Pierre Thomas. If Reggie wasn't on the team, there might not be a RBC situation. Thomas is a hard-nosed, hard-working runner with a dynamic skill set, which was evidenced by his 100 rush yard/100 rec yard performance against the Bears at the end of last season. If Deuce can't get back to full speed and Reggie struggles again, watch for Pierre in the second half of the season.

Edit: Fuck! I got excited and double-posted.

[Pollo]

I'm having a hard time with drafting WRs this year. After the top ones are off the board I don't like anything I see. This is a 12 team league and I drafted 12th, the two TEs were picked because there is a WR/T slot in this league. Ray Rice was an accident pick I was trying to queue up instead of draft, and Janikowski is already gone. I think I did pretty poorly unless I can turn my RB depth into profit

1.(12)Larry Johnson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6363)
2.(13)Maurice Jones-Drew (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7809)
3.(36)Earnest Graham (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7108)
4.(37)Drew Brees (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5479)
5.(60)Dallas Clark (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6360)
6.(61)Tony Gonzalez (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/3950)
7.(84)Selvin Young (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8523)
8.(85)Ricky Williams (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4653)
9.(108)Donte' Stallworth (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5899)
10.(109)Sidney Rice (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8298)
11.(132)Ted Ginn Jr. (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8263)
12.(133)Ray Rice (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8832)
13.(156)Vincent Jackson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7237)
14.(157)Chris Henry (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7259)
15.(180)JaMarcus Russell (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8255)
16.(181)Brandon Jackson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8317)
17.(204)Sebastian Janikowski (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5046)
18.(205)Carolina (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/car)

yeesh, you took a beating with the WRs. I've noticed this problem for lower picks this year (8-10) in that chances you'll land a top WR are slim, unless you're rolling the dice on Chad Johnson or Brandon Marshall really helping you out as your #1 WR given their respective problems. however, it's just so hard to pass on talents like Lynch, Grant, the other RBs with your early 2nd round pick. it's made me reconsider how I draft at that draft position, but I'll probably still be doing the same o' RB-RB strategy there.

[Zilchoid]

Well basically in our league everyone gets $200 fake dollars to spend on players. Each manager gets a turn to nominate a player and then we do auction bidding on each player nominated. You must select 15 players so you have to leave yourself enough money to at least pay a dollar for scrap players if you decide to use all your cash to buy a couple of big name guys.
My auction league is a bit different. We only get $100 fake dollars, select only 12 players, and you can make a $0 bid if you run out of money. When everyone runs out of money, the auction basically turns into a draft.

[muthastone]

ok just had my draft last night. i had the 8th pick. here are how the cards fell.

1. clinton portis
2. terrell owens
3. mcgahee
4. winslow
5. carson palmer
6. selvin young
7. kevin curtis
8. joey galloway
9. hasselback
10. chris johnson
11. anthony gonzalez
12. tatum bell
13. sidney rice
14. Giants
15. Buccaneers
16. shayne graham

any advice? comments?

[Zilchoid]

ok just had my draft last night. i had the 8th pick. here are how the cards fell.

1. clinton portis
2. terrell owens
3. mcgahee
4. winslow
5. carson palmer
6. selvin young
7. kevin curtis
8. joey galloway
9. hasselback
10. chris johnson
11. anthony gonzalez
12. tatum bell
13. sidney rice
14. Giants
15. Buccaneers
16. shayne graham

any advice? comments?
Owens is nice, but there ain't much for a WR2 there. What WR's were available when you took Winslow? How long did Cooley or Dallas Clark last?

[Tar Heel]

So I'm doing a draft for a smaller 6 person league tonight. I've never done less than 10 people. Anyone have any advise for smaller league drafts?
It will be:
1 QB
2 RB
3 WR
1 TE
1 Def
1 K
1 Defensive player

I pick 2nd.

Thanks

[muthastone]

Owens is nice, but there ain't much for a WR2 there. What WR's were available when you took Winslow? How long did Cooley or Dallas Clark last?

man, can't really remember. once our commisioner puts up the teams i can let you know. how are my running backs? qbs?

[Zilchoid]

ok just had my draft last night. i had the 8th pick. here are how the cards fell.

1. clinton portis
2. terrell owens
3. mcgahee
4. winslow
5. carson palmer
6. selvin young
7. kevin curtis
8. joey galloway
9. hasselback
10. chris johnson
11. anthony gonzalez
12. tatum bell
13. sidney rice
14. Giants
15. Buccaneers
16. shayne graham

any advice? comments?
Your RB's are solid, and I really like Chris Johnson as a sleeper. Monitor McGahee's health, they say he's gonna be ready for the season opener, but he wasn't even jogging yet last Friday.

With your QB's, you should be able to mix and match Palmer and Hasselbeck, according to their matchups.

The Bucs D might wind up playing more for you than the G-men.

Kevin Curtis will be out for a while. If you can snag a WR on the waiver wire that looks to play a reasonably important role in a team's offense, do so. (Mason? Meachem? Walter?)

[coolguy]

yeah the bucs should have solid numbers in most defensive categories as usual. that's the part of their team that gets them to the playoffs so often.

[muthastone]

i dropped the G-men and picked up the titans just now. i will use the bucs as my main option though.

yeah i dont know about kevin curtis. the question is which two wr's should i start with. i am also thinking about picking up amani toomer now.

[coolguy]

i don't worry about having two d's on the roster constantly. i just look at the matchups. whoever's playing the dolphins/raiders on any given week is a solid choice

[muthastone]

just made some changes.

dropped tatum bell RB for Brandon Jackson RB

dropped Sidney Rice WR for Kevin Walter WR

dropped Titans Defense for Eddie Royal WR

[mongo]

did a mock draft last night w/ my espn league, 14 teams and i'm picking 9th. 2 kickers and 2 defenses are required (gay as aidz, i know). thoughts?

QB Matt Hasselbeck
RB Marshawn Lynch
RB/WR Larry Johnson
WR Roy Williams
WR Marvin Harrison
WR/TE Isaac Bruce
D/ST Colts D/ST
K Nate Kaeding
Bench Matt Schaub
Bench Alge Crumpler
Bench Amani Toomer
Bench Chris Johnson
Bench DeShaun Foster
Bench Jaguars D/ST
Bench Michael Pittman
Bench Lawrence Tynes

[bones12]

Week #1 I'm already thinking about starting Kevin Smith over Larry Johnson who was my 1st round pick (keeper league, I already had Barber, so technically 2nd round). Johnson is playing at New England, while Smith has the Falcons. The matchup is obviously in Smith's favor, but am I dumb to bench someone like Johnson, especially since he's a rookie and it's unclear how many carries he'll actually get? I'm also thinking (hoping) the Chiefs will be playing catch up most of the game, and can't imagine LJ seeing 20+ carries if that's the case.

edit: I could also go with Selvin Young who has a favorable matchup against the Raiders.

[Penguin Rick]

did a mock draft last night w/ my espn league, 14 teams and i'm picking 9th. 2 kickers and 2 defenses are required (gay as aidz, i know). thoughts?

QB Matt Hasselbeck
RB Marshawn Lynch
RB/WR Larry Johnson
WR Roy Williams
WR Marvin Harrison
WR/TE Isaac Bruce
D/ST Colts D/ST
K Nate Kaeding
Bench Matt Schaub
Bench Alge Crumpler
Bench Amani Toomer
Bench Chris Johnson
Bench DeShaun Foster
Bench Jaguars D/ST
Bench Michael Pittman
Bench Lawrence Tynes

Did you willingly get two K's and two D's? Because it doesn't look like your league scores them.

[Penguin Rick]

Week #1 I'm already thinking about starting Kevin Smith over Larry Johnson who was my 1st round pick (keeper league, I already had Barber, so technically 2nd round). Johnson is playing at New England, while Smith has the Falcons. The matchup is obviously in Smith's favor, but am I dumb to bench someone like Johnson, especially since he's a rookie and it's unclear how many carries he'll actually get? I'm also thinking (hoping) the Chiefs will be playing catch up most of the game, and can't imagine LJ seeing 20+ carries if that's the case.

edit: I could also go with Selvin Young who has a favorable matchup against the Raiders.

Honestly, I'd go with LJ. I mean you know what you're getting with LJ (even if it might not be that great), but you have no idea what you're getting with Smith for the first couple of weeks. And plus, Detroit is a pass happy offense (or has been with Martz), and with those WRs, I don't see them changing.

[muthastone]

kevin walter, eddie royal or sidney rice?

which two would you take?

[nuclearjew]

Walter and Rice. You don't take rookie WRs.

[Kopek]

Nevermind.

[muthastone]

Walter and Rice. You don't take rookie WRs.

ok what if i already have terrell owens, galloway, a. gonzalez, and kevin curtis?

also...should i have two defenses or sacrifice one for another RB or WR?

[ViewAskew]

It looks like Ricky Williams (RB, Miami) is starting, I say with Jake Long in there at left tackle he should be able to get around 1,000 yards. Williams is probably no more beat up then Jamal Lewis was last year and look at the season Lewis had with Joe Thomas blocking for him. Williams has impressed in the preseason, and is a great fantasy steal if you need a third runningback.

[Menace2Sobriety]

Walter and Rice. You don't take rookie WRs.
Yes you do. What if the question was James Hardy, Desean Jackson or Sidney?
You'd make the same choice?
I would go Sidney every time, but KWalt?

[Genius]

DeSean Jackson is a great play in week 1. He's basically McNabb's only healthy option at receiver, and he'll probably handle punts and kickoffs too. I have him in two leagues.

[Menace2Sobriety]

You shouldn't have drafted Jones-Drew second, he's talented but he only gets about 160-180 carries a year which means he really is only worth a 6th or 7th pick. Many people overrate Jones-Drew, so you should be able to trade him for a guy like Larry Fitzgerald or Marques Colston. If you don't like that trade then try trading Earnest Graham for maybe Joey Galloway or Andre Johnson. If Andre Johnson can stay healthy than he's going to have a monsterous year: he only played in 9 games and got 851 yards receiving and 9 touchdowns which easily makes him a better pick than Earnest Graham. Only trade one of your running backs though (I would personally trade Graham for Johnson) and then you should have a decent WR combination with Stallworth.27 TDs in two years. That's MJD.

Then you suggest trading Earnest Graham for a receiver he could have had either way earlier or about 3 rounds later.
What. The. Fuck.
We don't even know the scoring system or roster sizes.

[Genius]

Earnest Graham for Joey Galloway would be one of the dumbest trades I've ever seen.

[nuclearjew]

Yes you do. What if the question was James Hardy, Desean Jackson or Sidney?
You'd make the same choice?
I would go Sidney every time, but KWalt?
Kevin Walter saved my fantasy season last year and his numbers are expected to continue with a healthy Schaub and Johnson on the field. He should be a solid #2 WR (or I guess a WR4 in fantasy terms).

I don't think there's any rookie WR in this class I would consider drafting.

[Penguin Rick]

I originally drafted Kevin Curtis, should I just drop him now? Currently, he's occupying a bench spot on my roster.

[JT]

Here is a 10 team draft that I just got finished with. The 1st round was our keepers. We could not keep anyone we drafted in the 1st 3 rounds last season. I over slept and didn't draft my first 4 but the site didn't really fuck me.

Round: 1
(1) Team Beeyeah - Jay Cutler QB
(2) Mal Lurk Industries - Adrian Peterson RB
(3) Nostril Congest - Matt Hasselbeck QB
(4) Team Socom - Andre Johnson WR
(5) Portland Grapplers - Randy Moss WR
(6) TEAM STROUP - Ryan Grant RB
(7) Team Ginormous - Julius Jones RB
(8) Team Dudley - Wes Welker WR
** (9) Portland Niners - Tony Romo QB
(10) Trapp's Swhappers - Braylon Edwards WR

Round: 2
(11) Team Beeyeah - LaDainian Tomlinson RB
(12) Mal Lurk Industries - Brian Westbrook RB
(13) Nostril Congest - Steven Jackson RB
(14) Team Socom - Joseph Addai RB
(15) Portland Grapplers - Marion Barber RB
(16) TEAM STROUP - Clinton Portis RB
(17) Team Ginormous - Frank Gore RB
(18) Team Dudley - Tom Brady QB
** (19) Portland Niners - Marshawn Lynch RB
(20) Trapp's Swhappers - Maurice Jones-Drew RB

Round: 3
(21) Trapp's Swhappers - Willie Parker RB
** (22) Portland Niners - Larry Johnson RB
(23) Team Dudley - Peyton Manning QB
(24) Team Ginormous - Terrell Owens WR
(25) TEAM STROUP - Reggie Wayne WR
(26) Portland Grapplers - T.J. Houshmandzadeh WR
(27) Team Socom - Willis McGahee RB
(28) Nostril Congest - Marques Colston WR
(29) Mal Lurk Industries - Drew Brees QB
(30) Team Beeyeah - Brandon Marshall WR

Round: 4
(31) Team Beeyeah - Thomas Jones RB
(32) Mal Lurk Industries - Larry Fitzgerald WR
(33) Nostril Congest - Jamal Lewis RB
(34) Team Socom - Santonio Holmes WR
(35) Team Socom - Ben Roethlisberger QB
(36) TEAM STROUP - Brandon Jacobs RB
(37) Team Ginormous - Michael Turner RB
(38) Team Dudley - Laurence Maroney RB
** (39) Portland Niners - Plaxico Burress WR
(40) Trapp's Swhappers - Earnest Graham RB

Round: 5
(41) Trapp's Swhappers - Carson Palmer QB
** (42) Portland Niners - Reggie Bush RB
(43) Team Dudley - Torry Holt WR
(44) Team Ginormous - Jonathan Stewart RB
(45) TEAM STROUP - Anquan Boldin WR
(46) Portland Grapplers - Darren McFadden RB
(47) Portland Grapplers - Selvin Young RB
(48) Nostril Congest - Calvin Johnson WR
(49) Mal Lurk Industries - Steve Smith WR
(50) Team Beeyeah - Roddy White WR

Round: 6
(51) Team Beeyeah - Kevin Smith RB
(52) Mal Lurk Industries - Chad Johnson WR
(53) Nostril Congest - Matt Forte RB
(54) Team Socom - Marvin Harrison WR
(55) Portland Grapplers - Jerricho Cotchery WR
(56) TEAM STROUP - LenDale White RB
(57) Team Ginormous - Donovan McNabb QB
(58) Team Dudley - Edgerrin James RB
** (59) Portland Niners - Roy Williams WR
(60) Trapp's Swhappers - Jason Witten TE

Round: 7
(61) Trapp's Swhappers - Dwayne Bowe WR
** (62) Portland Niners - Kellen Winslow TE
(63) Team Dudley - Antonio Gates TE
(64) Team Ginormous - Fred Taylor RB
(65) TEAM STROUP - Lee Evans WR
(66) Portland Grapplers - Greg Jennings WR
(67) Portland Grapplers - Kenny Watson RB
(68) Nostril Congest - Dallas Clark TE
(69) Mal Lurk Industries - Ronnie Brown RB
(70) Team Beeyeah - Santana Moss WR

Round: 8
(71) Team Beeyeah - Tony Gonzalez TE
(72) Mal Lurk Industries - Ricky Williams RB
(73) Nostril Congest - Donald Driver WR
(74) Team Socom - Chris Johnson RB
(75) Portland Grapplers - Joey Galloway WR
(76) TEAM STROUP - Chris Chambers WR
(77) Team Ginormous - Hines Ward WR
(78) Team Dudley - Derek Anderson QB
** (79) Portland Niners - Laveranues Coles WR
(80) Trapp's Swhappers - DeAngelo Williams RB

Round: 9
(81) Trapp's Swhappers - Patrick Crayton WR
** (82) Portland Niners - Ray Rice RB
(83) Team Dudley - Chris Cooley TE
(84) Team Ginormous - Anthony Gonzalez WR
(85) TEAM STROUP - Chris Perry RB
(86) Portland Grapplers - David Garrard QB
(87) Team Socom - Felix Jones RB
(88) Nostril Congest - Brett Favre QB
(89) Mal Lurk Industries - Ted Ginn Jr. WR
(90) Team Beeyeah - Nate Burleson WR

Round: 10
(91) Team Beeyeah - Rudi Johnson RB
(92) Mal Lurk Industries - Heath Miller TE
(93) Nostril Congest - Justin Fargas RB
(94) Team Socom - Vincent Jackson WR
(95) Team Socom - Matt Schaub QB
(96) TEAM STROUP - Eli Manning QB
(97) Team Ginormous - Bernard Berrian WR
(98) Team Dudley - Todd Heap TE
** (99) Portland Niners - Rashard Mendenhall RB
(100) Trapp's Swhappers - Kurt Warner QB

Round: 11
(101) Trapp's Swhappers - Ahmad Bradshaw RB
** (102) Portland Niners - Jake Delhomme QB
(103) Team Dudley - Marc Bulger QB
(104) Team Ginormous - Jeremy Shockey TE
(105) TEAM STROUP - Vernon Davis TE
(106) Portland Grapplers - Deuce McAllister RB
(107) Team Socom - Tony Scheffler TE
(108) Nostril Congest - Chester Taylor RB
(109) Mal Lurk Industries - Jon Kitna QB
(110) Team Beeyeah - Donte' Stallworth WR

Round: 12
(111) Team Beeyeah - Jason Campbell QB
(112) Mal Lurk Industries - Reggie Williams WR
(113) Nostril Congest - Alge Crumpler TE
(114) Team Socom - Chris Brown RB
(115) Portland Grapplers - Benjamin Watson TE
(116) TEAM STROUP - Sidney Rice WR
(117) Team Ginormous - Philip Rivers QB
(118) Team Dudley - Chargers D/ST D/ST
** (119) Portland Niners - Bears D/ST D/ST
(120) Trapp's Swhappers - Reggie Brown WR

Round: 13
(121) Trapp's Swhappers - Devin Hester WR
** (122) Portland Niners - Jabar Gaffney WR
(123) Team Dudley - Seahawks D/ST D/ST
(124) Team Ginormous - Derrick Mason WR
(125) TEAM STROUP - Vikings D/ST D/ST
(126) Portland Grapplers - Aaron Rodgers QB
(127) Team Socom - Eddie Royal WR
(128) Nostril Congest - DeSean Jackson WR
(129) Mal Lurk Industries - Cowboys D/ST D/ST
(130) Team Beeyeah - Kevin Curtis WR

Round: 14
(131) Team Beeyeah - Giants D/ST D/ST
(132) Mal Lurk Industries - Bryant Johnson WR
(133) Nostril Congest - Packers D/ST D/ST
(134) Team Socom - Steelers D/ST D/ST
(135) Portland Grapplers - Colts D/ST D/ST
(136) TEAM STROUP - Antwaan Randle El WR
(137) Team Ginormous - Bills D/ST D/ST
(138) Team Dudley - Jerious Norwood RB
** (139) Portland Niners - Deion Branch WR
(140) Trapp's Swhappers - Maurice Morris RB

Round: 15
(141) Trapp's Swhappers - Eagles D/ST D/ST
** (142) Portland Niners - Matt Jones WR
(143) Team Dudley - Leon Washington RB
(144) Team Ginormous - Jerry Porter WR
(145) TEAM STROUP - Donald Lee TE
(146) Portland Grapplers - Javon Walker WR
(147) Team Socom - Nick Folk K
(148) Nostril Congest - Robert Meachem WR
(149) Mal Lurk Industries - Stephen Gostkowski K
(150) Team Beeyeah - Ahman Green RB

Round: 16
(151) Team Beeyeah - Shaun Alexander RB
(152) Mal Lurk Industries - Jeff Garcia QB
(153) Nostril Congest - Tim Hightower RB
(154) Team Socom - Steve Slaton RB
(155) Portland Grapplers - Mason Crosby K
(156) TEAM STROUP - Isaac Bruce WR
(157) Team Ginormous - Owen Daniels TE
(158) Team Dudley - Ronald Curry WR
** (159) Portland Niners - James Hardy WR
(160) Trapp's Swhappers - Ben Obomanu WR

Round: 17
(161) Trapp's Swhappers - Adam Vinatieri K
** (162) Portland Niners - Nate Kaeding K
(163) Team Dudley - Shayne Graham K
(164) Team Ginormous - Phil Dawson K
(165) TEAM STROUP - Robbie Gould K
(166) Portland Grapplers - Jordan Kent WR
(167) Team Socom - Patriots D/ST D/ST
(168) Nostril Congest - Jeff Reed K
(169) Mal Lurk Industries - Correll Buckhalter RB
(170) Team Beeyeah - Lawrence Tynes K

[JT]

Team Dudley didnt' show until last round. He got fucked hard. He kept Brady then ESPN drafted Peyton and 2 other QBs, plus 3 TE.

[JT]

It's official. No more Rudi. So is it Perry and a Kenny Watson split backfield?

[Pollo]

from all indications, it looks like Perry is the guy to get the majority of the carries.

and what team does Rudi Johnson go to now?

[Penguin Rick]

Detroit?

[JT]

Who doesn't have a legit goalline back? Eagles? Pats? Jets? Cards? Who knows.

[Menace2Sobriety]

Week #1 I'm already thinking about starting Kevin Smith over Larry Johnson who was my 1st round pick (keeper league, I already had Barber, so technically 2nd round). Johnson is playing at New England, while Smith has the Falcons. The matchup is obviously in Smith's favor, but am I dumb to bench someone like Johnson, especially since he's a rookie and it's unclear how many carries he'll actually get? I'm also thinking (hoping) the Chiefs will be playing catch up most of the game, and can't imagine LJ seeing 20+ carries if that's the case.

edit: I could also go with Selvin Young who has a favorable matchup against the Raiders.Start your first round pick.

[Sex Cannon]

I have Julius Jones, Fred Taylor, Felix Jones and Santana Moss for a flex position.....which would you start?

I was planning on Julius starting but evidently thats no longer the case. I'll probably go with Taylor and hope he gets in the end zone.

[Lone Wolf]

Ginn is my sleeper in all leagues. I think at rounds 9-11 he is going to be a steal this year.

[Penguin Rick]

I was able to pick up DeSean Jackson in the 15th round (this was a couple weeks ago, before news of Kevin Curtis). I am quite happy about that.

[Crypter]

Ginn is my sleeper in all leagues. I think at rounds 9-11 he is going to be a steal this year.


Yep...I picked up Ginn along with B. Edwards, J. Cotchery, and Jerry Porter

[PaCubstretta]

Team I just drafted...

QB-Peyton Manning
WR-Fitzgerald
WR-Calvin Johnson
WR-Joey Galloway
RB-Tomlinson
RB-Bush
TE-HEap
Bench-Turner, Mendenhall, Fred Taylor, Delhomme, Sidney Rice, Derrick Mason
K-Gould
Defense-Giants

[Pollo]

pretty solid team, hopefully Johnson and Galloway pull through for you since WR is your shaky position IMO.

[PaCubstretta]

Thanks....I figured my WR's would be not as deep since I took Peyton. I just gotta grab that one breakout WR and I should be good since it's a Yahoo Public. It's looking like DeSean Jackson might be just that!

[Jason]

Alright I have two WRs and one RB/WR flex. I have Santonio Holmes, Roy Williams, Chad Johnson, Anquan Boldin, and Selvin Young as possibilities (since Steve Smith is suspended two games). What combination do you think I should start? I am hesitant to start CJ since he's injured and so is Carson Palmer so I can't imagine he'll get too many throws the first game.

[Pollo]

personally, I'd go with Holmes (since nothing on the Texans' secondary scares me), Williams (what CBs does Atlanta have after giving up DeAngelo Hall), and Young (it's the Raiders).

[muthastone]

i have the option to pick up the ravens or the gmen for defense.

should i keep the bucs?

[Penguin Rick]

Keep the Bucs.

[Pollo]

boy, that's a tough one. I really love the Ravens defense this year. don't frown on their defensive stats so hard since Baltimore had many injuries to their secondary last season.

[Genius]

I drafted the shit out of five leagues this year. If I make the playoffs in one, it will be an improvement over last year. If I don't, I'm going back to regular binge drinking.

[Menace2Sobriety]

Ginn is my sleeper in all leagues. I think at rounds 9-11 he is going to be a steal this year.
Good post.

[Menace2Sobriety]

Alright I have two WRs and one RB/WR flex. I have Santonio Holmes, Roy Williams, Chad Johnson, Anquan Boldin, and Selvin Young as possibilities (since Steve Smith is suspended two games). What combination do you think I should start? I am hesitant to start CJ since he's injured and so is Carson Palmer so I can't imagine he'll get too many throws the first game.Scoring system?
I'd trade one or two of those receivers for a back if it's not ppr.
For this week I'd go Ocho and Anquan.

[JT]

This guy at work is drafting tomorrow for a TD only league. WTF? How many of those are still floating around? It's like fantasy with training wheels.

[Menace2Sobriety]

I'd play in that totally. Sounds sweet.
Makes QB the most valuable position on the field - I'd be targeting Romo at 4 probably, behind Brady, LT, Moss.

[JT]

After the first few Rbs you would have to go WR I'd think. There are more WRs who could catch double digit TDs then RBs that could do the same. TO,Braylan,Wayne,Fitz,Plax, and Manning would all have to go before some of the RBs you are used to seeing go early.

[Menace2Sobriety]

Good point. Least amount of depth is at WR, Gates also becomes a 2nd rounder at worst.

[JT]

Clark would be a good one as well.

[muthastone]

should i start mcgahee this week?

i have portis, young, chris johnson also

only 3

[Menace2Sobriety]

My roster in a ppr money game, drafted last weekend.

Garrard
Campbell

Julius Jones
Gore
Norwood
M. Lynch
Mendenhall

H. Ward
Holt
D. Bowe
Ocho Cinco

T-Gon
LJ Smith

Vinatieri
Minnesota

[Lone Wolf]

I'm starting to get nervous about picking Julius Jones in some of my leagues. I'm actually going to bench him in favor of Ricky Williams, who I drafted much later, this week

[Jason]

I have thought about picking up Ricky Williams since people seem to be raving about him. I think I am going to keep what I have for now and scout a few people in the first couple weeks. My league is a bunch of amateurs (including myself) so I shouldn't lose too many games. The guy I am playing week one currently has Sammy Morris and Lawrence Maroney starting, haha.

[bk3030]

You might want to go ahead and pick up Ricky Williams. Just a thought.

[Crypter]

Pick the Winner for WEEK 1... and why?

QB Drew Brees (NO - QB) TB
WR Braylon Edwards (Cle - WR) Dal
WR Jerricho Cotchery (NYJ - WR) @Mia
WR Ted Ginn Jr. (Mia - WR) NYJ
RB Joseph Addai (Ind - RB) Chi
RB Willie Parker (Pit - RB) Hou
TE Donald Lee (GB - TE) Min
K Dan Carpenter (Mia - K) NYJ
DEF Pittsburgh Hou

VS.

QB Peyton Manning (Ind - QB) Chi
WR Andre Johnson (Hou - WR) @Pit
WR Santonio Holmes (Pit - WR) Hou
WR Vincent Jackson (SD - WR) Car
RB Adrian Peterson (Min - RB) @GB
RB Ricky Williams (Mia - RB) NYJ
TE Todd Heap (Bal - TE) Cin
K Shayne Graham (Cin - K) @Bal
DEF New York (NYJ - DEF) @Mia

[ruffdog]

Tom Brady
Wes Welker
Marvin Harrison
Plaxico Burress
Reggie Bush
Joseph Addai
Tony Gonzales
Jonathan Stewart
Deangelo Williams
Bryant Johnson
Rudi Johnson (autopick for the gay)
Matt Schaub
Tony Scheffler

Nick Folk
Josh Scobee

Def - Minnesota





my other team

Payton Manning
TJ Houshmanzadeh
Marvin Harrison
Roddy White
Larry Johnson
Deuce McAllister
Tony Scheffler
Lendale White
Willis McGahee
Todd Heap
Laveranues Coles
Donovan McNabb
Reggie Brown

Adam Vinatieri
Nate Kaeding

Def - NYG

[Crypter]

Who should I start this weekend?

Kevin Smith DET-RB

or

Willie Parker PIT-RB

??

[Pollo]

I'd probably go with Parker. last year, HOU ranked 19th in the league vs. the run whereas Atlanta was 26th -- which would make you think to go with Smith, but with the lack of corners Atlanta has and Williams/Johnson WR duo Detroit has, I see them throwing it alot to take advantage of mismatches.

[bpb]

I hate the feeling before a game whether or not you think you have the best ones playing. I have DeSean Jackson (home against the Rams) and it's pretty much being reported that he will start opposite Baskett. The only one I would switch him out with Brandon Jacobs (home against Washington) who starts tonight. Common sense says don't start a rookie over a running back who is #1 on the depth chart but I just have this suspicious feeling. I need someone to tell me to use common sense.

[Jericho]

Jacobs is a beast

[Penguin Rick]

I hate the feeling before a game whether or not you think you have the best ones playing. I have DeSean Jackson (home against the Rams) and it's pretty much being reported that he will start opposite Baskett. The only one I would switch him out with Brandon Jacobs (home against Washington) who starts tonight. Common sense says don't start a rookie over a running back who is #1 on the depth chart but I just have this suspicious feeling. I need someone to tell me to use common sense.

DeSean Jackson is the next Steve Smith.

[steverino]

Who should I start:

Cotchery or Galloway

I also have Boldin Starting and I may bench him.

What do you peeps think?

[steverino]

By the way, Cotchery is playing @ Miami and Galloway is @ NO.

[marcello]

I've got the following WR's in a fairly standard, non-PPR league, which 2 should I start?

Ocho Cinco
Holt
Marvin Harrison
Mason

I'm leaning toward Ocho Cinco and Holt, but I'm tempted to start Harrison over Chad due to his shoulder injury. Any ideas? Thanks

[marcello]

By the way, Cotchery is playing @ Miami and Galloway is @ NO.
I like Galloway, personally.

[mbslugger89]

if it were me id go with ocho cino and mason

[nuclearjew]

Good timing!

[NOTKyle]

What the hell is going on with Torry Holt? I know its been one game, but he really should be the first option during every passing play on that team.

[Menace2Sobriety]

Here's the thing about Bulger and the Rams: They're drafting first next year.

[nuclearjew]

I wonder how Tebow will look in a Rams jersey.

[steverino]

Is anyone watching Arizona? Is Boldin even playing? I am just wondering as I am stuck watching the Cowboys and America's gayest pair (Aikman and Buck).

[Hobnail_Boot]

I wonder how Tebow will look in a Rams jersey.
So you believe that Tebow will leave for the NFL after this season?

[bpb]

So you believe that Tebow will leave for the NFL after this season?

If God tells him too.

[nuclearjew]

So you believe that Tebow will leave for the NFL after this season?
I honestly have no idea. If he wins another Heisman, or a BCS championship (or both?) there's really nothing left for him to accomplish at the collegiate level.

[zaphrodesiac]

Wherever you are, Neckbeards Cock, I'd like to inform you that your team is getting fuckstarted this week, and its only gonna get worse after addai goes for 4 touchdowns tonight. Just sayin.

[Jericho]

Jew and I are lighting it up in the high 20s

[zaphrodesiac]

I'm sure Grant will put nuke away. Good start on McGahee!

[Jericho]

:(

[Crypter]

Glad I had Fast Willie and Brees on my team today. Still got Addai left... I am dissapointed with what Braylon Edwards is doing so far in that Dal/Cle game.. but I should win my matchup this week.

[Msteg45]

I'm just hoping Barber is okay. I got really screwed, because he easily would've been over 100 had he not gotten hurt. My league gets a bonus for 100 yards rushing or receiving.

[bpb]

Better have picked up Jones as his backup.

[Hobnail_Boot]

Great decision by Arizona to throw the ball to Boldin in the 2nd half.

[Crypter]

Damn Cleveland sucked! I got NOTHING out of Braylon Edwards....

[Pollo]

Damn Cleveland sucked! I got NOTHING out of Braylon Edwards....

I would say not having Stallworth and Jurevicius out there played big, so the only WR to worry about was Edwards.

[Lone Wolf]

Donte Stallworth decided to fuck me in a few leagues today too

[Penguin Rick]

I need Matt Forte to step up here.

[Genius]

I forgot how bad fantasy football made me feel about myself.

[Pollo]

I forgot how bad fantasy football made me feel about myself.

Willie Parker came through for me today!!

how did Mendenhall look for you guys?

[bpb]

I would say not having Stallworth and Jurevicius out there played big, so the only WR to worry about was Edwards.

It also doesn't help when he drops the passes.

[Jason]

Wow, I definitely should have started Pitt defense over Indianapolis but who would have thought Orton would be able to move the ball so well?

And yeah, why no Boldin til the second half? And 2.2 pts from Chad Johnson?? If Peyton Manning does bad enough I can still win this week, as long as Selvin Young has a decent game.

[bpb]

If anyone has him.................

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports that Vince Young will miss 2-4 weeks after tearing his MCL in Sunday's victory.

[Zilchoid]

Unless Mason Crosby scores two more points than Adrian Peterson tonight, I'm gonna start the year 0-1 in all three leagues. This is what happens when you hitch you wagon to certain players across all leagues, then they have bad days. (i.e. Steven Jackson & Santonio Holmes)

[Hobnail_Boot]

Here's to Tony Scheffler not getting a single touch tonight.

[nuclearjew]

Here's to Tony Scheffler not getting a single touch tonight.
If you are watching, did you almost just shit your pants?

[Hobnail_Boot]

If you are watching, did you almost just shit your pants?
Yes. Yes I did.

Edit: Had he caught that TD pass, I would have shit my shorts for sure.

[Jason]

Alright so originally I drafted Michael Turner and had to drop him because he had the same bye week as Marion Barber or Brian Westbrook and he was my only backup RB. Well I picked up Selvin Young instead, but now I have dropped my back up kicker to pick up Michael Turner before anyone else can get him (I can get a new kicker later before week 6. I am thinking Grammatica or Elam). Anyway after this week's performance I am thinking of picking up Matt Forte and dropping Selvin Young. What do you guys think??

[nuclearjew]

I think you must be in a shitty league if any of those guys are available.

[bpb]

First off I agree with Nuke. Secondly I say keep Young because he's in Denver where they breed running backs and they're in a shitty division.

[Jason]

I think you must be in a shitty league if any of those guys are available.

Well its sort of a shitty league, but more importantly its an 8 person league.

To me it looks like Selvin Young isn't going to be the featured back, so I don't know that I want him replacing Barber or Westbrook come their bye weeks.

[BusterPortugal]

So I picked Brady with my first round pick and now I need some advice. In my league, Pennington, Matt Cassel, and Aaron Rodgers are available. I'm leaning to Rodgers after last night, but Cassel has Moss and Welker which make me think about picking him up. Pennington threw up 40+ attempts and had only 5 less completions than Rodgers and Cassel combined but I'm just not too big on him.

Any advice would be appreciated.


Edit: just got a trade offer. Favre for Chris Johnson or Greg Jennings. What to do? What to do?

[Penguin Rick]

I'd go with Pennington. Cassel looked really bad in preseason, I don't think he'll even be starting by week 9 or so.