Car Thread

[}{arlequin]

yes. anything up until 1989 i believe can be classified into the sharknose category, from the basic 3, all the way up to the 7 series. m6 from that era being the quintessential poster child for that look

[}{arlequin]

this is how my body panels got rearranged for me

http://www.vimeo.com/1820621

[Claydon]

this is how my body panels got rearranged for me

http://www.vimeo.com/1820621

I only laugh WITH you because it is funny :)

[}{arlequin]

i was pissed at the time, mostly due to the circumstances, but it has helped me improve as well

[Claydon]

i was pissed at the time, mostly due to the circumstances, but it has helped me improve as well

my friend races motorcycles, he rides a triumph and keeps wanting me to get into it (i just cannot shell out $14k). he likes to tell me when he wipes out how much he learned. Then he grumbles about the $1000 in repairs he needs.

[}{arlequin]

it's true. each time i have a 'moment' out there, i very quickly realize what mistake i made. car doesn't do anything that you didn't make it do.

what i like ab having a few dents here'n'there is that other people think twice ab trying to intimidate or force you off track. one look tells them a) i apparently don't care and b) i won't back off. all of that amounts to a great psychological advantage

[Claydon]

it's true. each time i have a 'moment' out there, i very quickly realize what mistake i made. car doesn't do anything that you didn't make it do.

what i like ab having a few dents here'n'there is that other people think twice ab trying to intimidate or force you off track. one look tells them a) i apparently don't care and b) i won't back off. all of that amounts to a great psychological advantage

gets pricey doesnt it?

[}{arlequin]

a bit... but what hobby isn't when you take it far enough? diving equipment ain't cheap, and once you're there, trips to fancy divesites probably equal my weekend costs


http://i35.tinypic.com/iedls5.jpg

[MrVette83]

gets pricey doesnt it?


A friend of mine races at track days like that and it does get expensive. But he says it's all worth it.

[}{arlequin]

it's like crack.


this fairly well known quote sums it up well:
"Racing makes heroin addiction look like a vague wish for something salty." -- Peter Egan

[}{arlequin]

ayrton senna.... the rally driver

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/allarticles/276871/ayrton-senna-rally-driver.html

[}{arlequin]

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m17/vlad-e30m3/Benz/IMG_0878.jpg

[MrVette83]

This is from the time before AMG was a Mercedes owned company, right? I wanna say that happened in the late 70s early 80s and this appears to be mid to late 60s?

To be frank, I'm not as good about spotting years on older German cars as I am domestics.

Either way, that car looks awesome. It just needs a few more lights in the front.

[}{arlequin]

racing at night, you can never have enough lights

[Tenpinger]

VP commie mate

[TylerDurden]

arch recommends the greatest idea... evar. (http://forum.gorillamask.net/showpost.php?p=168643&postcount=28)

while the post was made in jest it got me thinking: what if gmf was ever asked to dream up the ultimate driving machine (sorry, bmw, i'm gankin' them shits)? if we could pull engineers from any company, any department in the world, who would they be? if we could build this car anywhere, where would it be built and why? what would the plain performance intent be? would it be known as a great all-around vehicle, would it be a big, heavy straight-line beast?

perhaps if we defined particular rules for this we might turn it into a poll of some sort.

[Limp]

racing at night, you can never have enough lights
TRUTH!

http://www.aa1car.com/library/2001/headlights.jpg

[TylerDurden]

staffing...
- project manager: mario theissen, bmw-sauber f1 team manager
- team test driver: lewis hamilton, mclaren-mercedes f1; the stig (if you have to ask you shouldn't be here)

locations...
- aerodynamic facilities: bmw-sauber, hinwil, switzerland (most advanced in the world)
- suspension/handling testing: nurburgring, nurburg, germany
- assembly: anywhere but mexico or locations requiring unions

components...
- powertrain: joint venture between toyota (hybrid technology), bmw (has won engine of the year for a ridiculous consecutive number of years), ferrari (who can deny that amazing sound; fantastic f1 gearbox), and mercedes (amg + ///m-power... match made in heaven?)
- body design: joint venture between bmw, mercedes, and mclaren (i like the snub-nosed look), maybe we'll get a bastard vomit of mclaren f1 vs. mclaren slr

[Archangel]

arch recommends the greatest idea... evar. (http://forum.gorillamask.net/showpost.php?p=168643&postcount=28)

while the post was made in jest it got me thinking: what if gmf was ever asked to dream up the ultimate driving machine (sorry, bmw, i'm gankin' them shits)? if we could pull engineers from any company, any department in the world, who would they be? if we could build this car anywhere, where would it be built and why? what would the plain performance intent be? would it be known as a great all-around vehicle, would it be a big, heavy straight-line beast?

perhaps if we defined particular rules for this we might turn it into a poll of some sort.

My $.02...

Ferrari do the suspension, steering and chassis, because nobody still gets close. Porsche shall make the transmission - they have the most experience with sequential gearboxes, and at putting double clutch transmissions into fast cars. Audi do the interior layout (nobody beats them in common sense), with Bentley doing the materials and Alfa the colour combinations. Two exterior styles shall be offered, one by Fisker and one by Zagato (if you have to ask, go away). Honda make the electrics and the engine management, because their shit never breaks.

As for the engine, well, how about we offer four types. One high-revving NA engine à la M5/F430, one monster NA V8 like the AMG 6.2 litre or the Bentley 6 3/4l, one bi-turbo flat six, and a big-ass TDI with 1500 Nm of torque.

[Archangel]

If Chris Bangle tries to go anywhere near the project, he shall be summarily shot.

[TylerDurden]

If Chris Bangle tries to go anywhere near the project, he shall be summarily shot.

then hanged. then drawn and quartered.

[Penguin Rick]

I'd say Porsche with the suspension, Ferrari with the engine, and Aston Martin with the exhaust. That would be one sexy beast. I'm not sure with the body type, but I agree with Bentley on the interior materials and such (the Brooklands would be one hell of a car to base this off of).

I don't know if you guys like this kind of stuff, but I'm thinking we could get Lamborghini to do some of their crazy stuff, like pop out vents on the Murcielago or the fighter pilot display mode in the Reventon (seriously, who wouldn't want that in their car on their everyday commute to work?).

[Hoser]

Arch the only way Fisker is allowed near this is if they us some C8 styling, but if the C12 is even mentioned they are banned from the project. Maybe some Karma aspects ot it as well. but Fisker wouldn't be my first choice, thats for sure.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i166/f430spiderv8/C12/c12zagato08_01.jpg

http://www.niot.net/niot_570/bugatti%20c8%20spyder%20%282%29.jpg

[Archangel]

Um, you do know that Henrik Fisker, in addition to having his coachbuilding firm and car manufacture, was the designer of the Aston DB9 (after Callum left), the V8 Vantage, and the BMW Z8, right?

[}{arlequin]

saw this little beauty today


http://i38.tinypic.com/312hgdj.jpg

[Archangel]

190 SL, pretty. There's one parked in our courtyard from time to time; very sexy little car, but I hear that it's more high maintenance than a 36-24-36 redhead.

[Hoser]

Um, you do know that Henrik Fisker, in addition to having his coachbuilding firm and car manufacture, was the designer of the Aston DB9 (after Callum left), the V8 Vantage, and the BMW Z8, right?

No I did not know he was in on those.

That being said, if he brings some of the DB9 over or the C8 he is in, if not kicked to the curb.

[Hoser]

Speaking of old beauties, I saw one of these the other day when I was walking in downtown Toronto

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Jaguar_E-type_Series_I.jpg

[}{arlequin]

i'm crap at those imaginary build scenarios, so i'm just gonna go w/ what i consider is the ultimate car built to date: maclaren f1.

the idea, design, materials, and pretty much everything else involved in the project hasn't been equalled imo.

if i were to make changes, even though it's a sacrilege, i'd like it to be left hand drive for daily useability, and i'd dump the v12 in favor of the v10 from the carrera gt.

the shape of the car is perfect so i'd not touch it.

[Hoser]

if i were to make changes, even though it's a sacrilege, i'd like it to be left hand drive for daily useability,


But center drive is perfect. As one car journalist said "The 3 seat design is perfect, when you have a car like this you will want ot show it off to your friends, now you can show it off to two."

and in my case it will always be two 21 year old women in little clothing.

[}{arlequin]

But center drive is perfect.
i'm not claiming that it isn't, and if it was all about the laptimes, i'd want it just the way it is.

but since i'm designing it for myself, it's gonna be easier to live with if it has a 'normal' driving position. i really don't feel like making a production out of myself when i'm hopping in for a short drive to the store and back.

that was was murry's idea of an ultimate. this is mine. besides, if i wanted a center seating position and speed, i'd get myself a formula car. as far as i can see, the cars running lemans aren't considered slow, and there isn't a center seating position in any of them

[Don Scrappy]

Drove around in an 09 S550 over the weekend in LA, it was pretty incredible. It has fucking nightvision!!

[Archangel]

I never got why they call it differently over here and over there.

[TylerDurden]

i'm not claiming that it isn't, and if it was all about the laptimes, i'd want it just the way it is.

but since i'm designing it for myself, it's gonna be easier to live with if it has a 'normal' driving position. i really don't feel like making a production out of myself when i'm hopping in for a short drive to the store and back.

that was was murry's idea of an ultimate. this is mine. besides, if i wanted a center seating position and speed, i'd get myself a formula car. as far as i can see, the cars running lemans aren't considered slow, and there isn't a center seating position in any of them

fair enough. we started this conversation under the pretenses that we were designing the ultimate car. }{ envisions that his ultimate car is fast, powerful, but practical for every day use; he needs a standard seating arrangement. others argue against that detail on behalf of a more performance-oriented goal, so to make this more clear: what are the ultimate car's goals? what makes a car ultimate? better than every other car on the road? pfft... line up all the hondas, toyotas, dodges, fords and chevys and put a bmw m3 next to 'em: mission accomplished. or are we aiming for something; an ideal perhaps? maybe we should amend the original goal for the ultimate car into the car that can cater to everyone in some form... the most desirable automobile on the planet.

we have a good start. thus far it seems everyone (or most) agree that ferrari's exquisite engines should power the performance version of this car. if it had to be any ferrari engine i'd like to cast my vote for the amazing naturally-aspirated v12 found in the enzo.

[}{arlequin]

ferrari's engines should also be inserted right where the stereo system is supposed to be. they trully know how to make them sound

[Archangel]

we have a good start. thus far it seems everyone (or most) agree that ferrari's exquisite engines should power the performance version of this car. if it had to be any ferrari engine i'd like to cast my vote for the amazing naturally-aspirated v12 found in the enzo.

Hey, I never said that.

[Archangel]

Hell, there is one company that can easily stand up to Ferrari when it comes to large, high revving NA engines, and this double barrelled monster is their finest work to date. Less likely to break than anything Italian-made, too.

http://www.usautoparts.net/bmw/images/engine/mclaren.jpg

[TylerDurden]

Hey, I never said that.

http://www.netroware.com/images/orly/orly_wonka.gif

As for the engine, well, how about we offer four types. One high-revving NA engine à la M5/F430, one monster NA V8 like the AMG 6.2 litre or the Bentley 6 3/4l, one bi-turbo flat six, and a big-ass TDI with 1500 Nm of torque.

i'd go for that mclaren/bmw venture you just put up. good stuff there, mate.

[Archangel]

Hey, one of the six engines I proposed was a Ferrari, and even in its category, I named BMW's spectacular V10 first.

[mirt]

so, i sold my reliable little sentra before i moved to chicago and now that i'm here in ann arbor i need to get a car before winter rolls in... and i don't want to spend more than $2500, so of course i'm limited to a lot of pieces of shit.

but anyway. what would you guys recommend, i've seen a lot of saturns, pontiac grand ams, and kias for sale with relatively low mileage and i dont know anything about any of these cars or their reputed reliability so if anyone has any suggestions i would really appreciate it

[}{arlequin]

cheap + reliable = honda or vw.

[mirt]

i haven't seen a used honda or vw for under $5000 around here

[Hoser]

fair enough. we started this conversation under the pretenses that we were designing the ultimate car. }{ envisions that his ultimate car is fast, powerful, but practical for every day use; he needs a standard seating arrangement. others argue against that detail on behalf of a more performance-oriented goal, so to make this more clear: what are the ultimate car's goals? what makes a car ultimate? better than every other car on the road? pfft... line up all the hondas, toyotas, dodges, fords and chevys and put a bmw m3 next to 'em: mission accomplished. or are we aiming for something; an ideal perhaps? maybe we should amend the original goal for the ultimate car into the car that can cater to everyone in some form... the most desirable automobile on the planet.

we have a good start. thus far it seems everyone (or most) agree that ferrari's exquisite engines should power the performance version of this car. if it had to be any ferrari engine i'd like to cast my vote for the amazing naturally-aspirated v12 found in the enzo.

The problem is not everyone will ever agree on the ultimate goal. We can each have our own, but that is about as close as it is getting.

[Penguin Rick]

fair enough. we started this conversation under the pretenses that we were designing the ultimate car. }{ envisions that his ultimate car is fast, powerful, but practical for every day use; he needs a standard seating arrangement. others argue against that detail on behalf of a more performance-oriented goal, so to make this more clear: what are the ultimate car's goals? what makes a car ultimate? better than every other car on the road? pfft... line up all the hondas, toyotas, dodges, fords and chevys and put a bmw m3 next to 'em: mission accomplished. or are we aiming for something; an ideal perhaps? maybe we should amend the original goal for the ultimate car into the car that can cater to everyone in some form... the most desirable automobile on the planet.

we have a good start. thus far it seems everyone (or most) agree that ferrari's exquisite engines should power the performance version of this car. if it had to be any ferrari engine i'd like to cast my vote for the amazing naturally-aspirated v12 found in the enzo.

I know ideal has much to do with personal tastes, but if we're looking to make an ideal car, what's wrong with the best car out there right now? The Bugatti Veyron.

http://www.fantom-xp.com/wallpapers/17/Bugatti_Veyron.jpg

It's got all sorts of personal comforts, but is fast as hell and looks amazing (in my eyes). Not to mention that building a car with its sort of characteristics is an engineering marvel by itself.

[Hoser]

I agree, that for me it is pretty much the best overall car all around, but there are many cars that do alot of things better, but so far it is the best at the most things, atleast in my eyes.

[Archangel]

Yeah, but as you said, to each his own. The Veyron is certainly the ultimate continent-crushing GT, but is it the ultimate sports car?
I don't think so. Sure, it apparently handles well, but that is mostly the result of fancy electronics, not a picture-perfectly balanced setup as the McLaren's. They're both engineering marvels, but think of one as Concorde, and of the other as a Eurofighter. They're both amazing machines, and not too far apart as far as speed is concerned (at least practically usable speed), but they are built to do rather different things. The F1 GTR made for a pretty good Le Mans race car: I simply can't see a Veyron racer.

Yes, the Bugatti IS faster. but by that same token, an E 63 AMG T estate is quite a bit faster than a Lotus Elise, yet I doubt that any enthusiast would think twice about what the actual sports car is.

[TylerDurden]

i haven't seen a used honda or vw for under $5000 around here

be prepared to go to chicago for this type of thing. honestly, in chicago a used honda/vw can easily be had for the price you have. but if money is an object, throw out the vw. honda's the way to go when you just absolutely have to drive it into the fucking ground over a LONG period of time. if something breaks, go to autozone. i'm pretty sure you could build an entire civic/accord out of the honda parts they have in-store.

I know ideal has much to do with personal tastes, but if we're looking to make an ideal car, what's wrong with the best car out there right now? The Bugatti Veyron.

http://www.fantom-xp.com/wallpapers/17/Bugatti_Veyron.jpg

It's got all sorts of personal comforts, but is fast as hell and looks amazing (in my eyes). Not to mention that building a car with its sort of characteristics is an engineering marvel by itself.

as arch stated the veyron is designed as a grand touring vehicle; i.e. a highway cruiser. where else does top speed like that come into play? unfortunately, at least in the states, not every road is a long straight one (nor would i wish it to be), thus negating the primary reason for owning one: to showoff that amazing top end.

furthermore, i'm sure we can all agree on the components to a car that don't necessarily cost $1.5M. hell, even a mclaren f1 can be had for around $400k these days in great condition. honestly, for $1.5M you're buying bragging rights and that's about it. i'm just not that big a fan of the bugatti for many reasons. it seems too much the one-trick pony. i'm not a fan of its overall looks (although i applaud the engineers for their abilities), the interior doesn't do it for me, and it seems a bit on the heavy side.

if we had to rebadge a ready-made car as our own, i'd choose the mclaren f1. it's sexy, fast, relatively affordable (in comparison), holds its value well, and you get better handling and relatively same speeds at a much lower price.

[}{arlequin]

ding ding ding!!!

that was my starting point too. what does a veyron do that a mac cannot? not a whole lot. sure, it may have an edge in luxury or comfort, but not by much. and, if you're going 150+ are you even gonna *notice* that additional luxury??

so speed is close enough, if anything power to weight may be in favor of the mac. it does weigh about as much as a miata after all. city driving? who knows. but i am sure a 1000hp car stops at a gas station more often than a 600hp one.

and once we get to the actual sportiness of the car, the athleticism of the mac means you'll be seeing the veyron in your mirrors.

if fun on the backroads doesn't matter to you, veyron is fine. otherwise you're gonna want something more nimble, that isn't slower, and isn't ugly.

[}{arlequin]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/col74/hot%20hatch/COL_2354copy.jpg

[TylerDurden]

ding ding ding!!!

that was my starting point too. what does a veyron do that a mac cannot? not a whole lot. sure, it may have an edge in luxury or comfort, but not by much. and, if you're going 150+ are you even gonna *notice* that additional luxury??

so speed is close enough, if anything power to weight may be in favor of the mac. it does weigh about as much as a miata after all. city driving? who knows. but i am sure a 1000hp car stops at a gas station more often than a 600hp one.

and once we get to the actual sportiness of the car, the athleticism of the mac means you'll be seeing the veyron in your mirrors.

if fun on the backroads doesn't matter to you, veyron is fine. otherwise you're gonna want something more nimble, that isn't slower, and isn't ugly.

alright, so we agree that the mc-f1 is a great car. perhaps we use that as a base and go from there? agreeable?

i suspect we can quickly make a few tweaks and improvements, starting with replacing the car's almost-complete carbon fibre body with a fiberglass one. my reasoning is simple: cost to manufacture and cost to the consumer. we'll leave the carbon fibre in place on the roof (lowers the car's center of gravity; see e92 m3) and other spots of structural integrity, but everything else needs to be fiberglass for cost effectiveness. hell, maybe we'll leave it as an option for the entire thing to be carbon fibre on the performance variant.

while i completely understand the functional requirements of the car i feel that for this car's appeal to be fully realized the interior will need to be rearranged a bit, starting with the seating. trips through an atm machine are impractical in a car that requires getting almost entirely out of your seat or climbing over passengers' legs to reach the window. we can put the driver in the traditional spot and turn this thing into a two-seater (as opposed to the interesting-but-odd three-seat arrangement that it currently has.

[Penguin Rick]

I personally like the looks and overall feel of a Pagani Zonda F over a McLaren F1.

[}{arlequin]

edit: re fiberglass

that's not a bad idea. i think that's what is used to build ultima gtr's and they were used as test mules for f1's drivetrain/suspension tuning. apparently it was deemed the closest car that resembles/drives like the mac


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads12/2345165_a03d3f7834_l1203564066.jpg

[Fornicator]

Aston Martin DB9

[Archangel]

AMAZING contribution. Well thought out, clear reasoning, great arguments.


GTFO, adults are talking.

[}{arlequin]

the corvette guy might get a kick out of this... if he already doesn't know

scale model of a v8. running.
http://www.moyermade.com/chevyV8.html

[}{arlequin]

local dealer got a fresh batch

the racey car is the same one james may drove around in their episode, and i'm pretty sure it also won the 'ring 24hr

http://dorkiphus.net/porsche/attachment.php?attachmentid=15044&stc=1&d=1224197091 http://dorkiphus.net/porsche/attachment.php?attachmentid=15045&stc=1&d=1224197091 http://dorkiphus.net/porsche/attachment.php?attachmentid=15046&stc=1&d=1224197091 http://dorkiphus.net/porsche/attachment.php?attachmentid=15047&stc=1&d=1224197091

[Archangel]

Red x's ftw!

[}{arlequin]

again...

http://thumbnails10.imagebam.com/1601/4a226c16004144.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/4a226c16004144) http://thumbnails10.imagebam.com/1601/59eaff16004145.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/59eaff16004145) http://thumbnails10.imagebam.com/1601/43343a16004146.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/43343a16004146) http://thumbnails10.imagebam.com/1601/09da6816004147.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/09da6816004147)

[Archangel]

Better.

[Don Scrappy]

I know I am gonna get some flak for this. but I am a little disappointed with the Aston interior. I'm sure my eyes are deceiving me, but it looks kinda cheap. It is probably all black leather wrapped around the console, but at first glance my brain was thinking Prius.

[}{arlequin]

i know what you mean. a little more bentley-britishness wouldn't hurt, but i think they're trying to compete w/ 911 which is a driver's car so that probably prompted them to get a little more efficient and utilitarian about the interior.

still better than astons from a few years back

[}{arlequin]

another scale model... this one is more like a replica. it's one guy's opus. you *have to* hear this car running. complete w/ a clutch, lights, and even ignition key. but smaller.

i wonder whether he's ever seen a live woman naked though...


SeUMDY01uUA

[}{arlequin]

lmao at this kid. got quoted $250 then paid $750 for this 'work'

ricer body kit install EPIC FAIL

just scroll to the pics.

http://my350z.com/forum/lounge-off-topic/389628-horrible-body-shop-experience-details-inside-350z-ruined.html

[mxlplkt]

I would kill someone

[}{arlequin]

haha, just when you think the drywall/sheetmetal screws are enough... you see more

[fuldstændigamok]

haha, just when you think the drywall/sheetmetal screws are enough... you see more

That little piece of wood is TEH awesome.

[mxlplkt]

I did like the shim though. Wood won't rust either!

[6655321]

how the fuck is it even possible for someone to do work that shitty? did he have a 12 year old girl do the install?

[Gary_Busey]

I'm surprised there was no duct tape anywhere on that thing. I'm not really into the import look, but done right, a 350Z can look pretty sweet.

[}{arlequin]

re wood:

don't forget, it's LIGHTWEIGHT!

[fuldstændigamok]

I did this one last week-end. I was happy of myself.

http://medias.forum-auto.com/uploads/200307/serge91_1506200350_avant.jpg

[}{arlequin]

proper body work is very expensive. there's a reason why i'm not throwing money to fix the dents on my car

[}{arlequin]

^that honda/beemer/mercedes thing looks like it has jersey plates. quite appropriate

[mxlplkt]

You need to throw some money into fixing the dents on your face!

[mxlplkt]

Weak sauce.

[}{arlequin]

those dents add character


(yeah that *was* weak)

[mxlplkt]

It's from all the conking, amirite?

[}{arlequin]

i can out-hoover a dyson!!!!

[mxlplkt]

I've got one, very impressive then if you match it for never losing suction.

[}{arlequin]

oldie but goodie

well-behaved loose wheel

Fooox6hbjzM

[Gary_Busey]

How not to drive your $113,000 R8.

5ec_1224666971

[}{arlequin]

hydroplane fail

[G-Man]

more like hyrdo-lame.

[Penguin Rick]

I see that Audi AWD really helped him out there.

[}{arlequin]

i kannae change the laws of physics captain!!

[}{arlequin]

overheard in a porsche dealership.

guy looking at a cayman, turns to the salesman: "does it come in convertible?"

[Hoser]

When the McLaren F1 first hit the scene it almost immediately catapulted to the top of the performance car scene, taking home the title of world’s fastest production car in 1994 and holding on to it up until 2005. Building a car better than the original F1 was always going to be a difficult challenge, and perhaps that is why for its successor McLaren isn’t setting its sights too high.

While the original F1 competed with the best supercars of its time - cars like the Ferrari F40, Jaguar XK220, and Porsche 959 - its successor will be competing with more ‘entry-level’ supercars. Rather than chasing Enzos and Veyrons, the McLaren F1 successor will go up against cars like the Ferrari F430 and Lamborghini Gallardo, and as such it will be priced accordingly.

Prototypes for the new model, which is currently going by its ‘P11’ project name, have been spotted testing recently in the UK, revealing a fluid body not too dissimilar from the original F1. It will feature a mid-engine (http://www.motorauthority.com/new-details-on-mclarens-f1-successor.html#) layout, a high squared-off tail, short overhangs, and tapered back headlights.

Expect an advanced carbon-composite chassis, a lightning quick F1-style paddle shift gearbox and carbon-ceramic brakes. While Mercedes’ partnership with McLaren will soon come to end (http://www.motorauthority.com/mercedes-confirms-mclaren-partnership-will-end-next-year.html), the German carmaker will supply its 6.2L AMG V8 engine. AutoExpress reports that McLaren will add a pair of turbochargers to the V8 for a power output of around 600hp (400kW).

With an estimated kerb weight of about 1,250kg, the new P11 should easily accelerate from 0-100km/h in less than four seconds and reach a top speed in excess of 320km/h. First deliveries are expected to start in late 2010.That is fucking gay. Don't call it the successor if you are going to half ass it and not try and be the best supercar on the road.

[}{arlequin]

i'm not sure that is what they mean by 'successor'... more like, 'the next car we are making' as opposed to 'it's gonna take over the title'. are there pics? from your quote it seems like it will be a bigger version of an exige... which isn't bad at all.

[Hoser]

http://www.motorauthority.com/new-details-on-mclarens-f1-successor.html


Thats the point, if it doesn't follow the F1 then do not call it the successor. This is just the next car they are building.

[Archangel]

Because it's basically impossible to beat the Veyron. In the F1's day, hypercars (with the exception of the 959) were relatively low-tech affairs, relying on setup and weight distribution rather than 500lbs worth of electronics. So know-how and experience could make up for a lot.
A small firm like McLaren has no chance to build something these days that can compete with something built by engineers who are nearly just as good, but backed by a corporate juggernaut, and still costs €5 million more to make than to buy.

What they can build today is a pure supercar that competes with the cars that get actually used for driving quickly - the Turbo, the GT-R, or the current king, the F430 Scuderia. They played the numbers game at a time when they could win it, which they did handily. Now, what they should make is basically an über-TVR, a car that goes like stink around corners without all that electronic crap.

[}{arlequin]

edit: to hoser

meh, you're too concerned w/ verbiage. i don't care, they could call it "the slowest car we will ever make" and i'm sure i'll still find it desirable as fuck. a noble, or tvr, or spyker etc, will never pull me away from a 430stradale, or a gt3 rs, but a maclaren sure can!

[Hoser]

I am sure I will love the car as well. I just wish they would say, "Hey we are going to make a car that completes with the F430, but is just a cousin of the F1"

[Archangel]

edit: to hoser

meh, you're too concerned w/ verbiage. i don't care, they could call it "the slowest car we will ever make" and i'm sure i'll still find it desirable as fuck. a noble, or tvr, or spyker etc, will never pull me away from a 430stradale, or a gt3 rs, but a maclaren sure can!

I dunno, the Typhon, T350, and Sagaris are some stunning machines...

[Gary_Busey]

Well, technically, doesn't successor merely mean the next in line?

[}{arlequin]

I am sure I will love the car as well. I just wish they would say, "Hey we are going to make a car that completes with the F430, but is just a cousin of the F1"
again, you're trying to be a wordsmith about this shit... when in fact, it isn't clear from the article that maclaren is actually using that term or whether it's the dumbass reporter who wrote the article that chose to use that word.

[}{arlequin]

I dunno, the Typhon, T350, and Sagaris are some stunning machines...
oh they're definitely pretty, and if i had to go for something not german or italian, a tvr would be pretty high on my list... but, for my money, i'd rather spend it on a mac

[TylerDurden]

Because it's basically impossible to beat the Veyron. In the F1's day, hypercars (with the exception of the 959) were relatively low-tech affairs, relying on setup and weight distribution rather than 500lbs worth of electronics. So know-how and experience could make up for a lot.
A small firm like McLaren has no chance to build something these days that can compete with something built by engineers who are nearly just as good, but backed by a corporate juggernaut, and still costs €5 million more to make than to buy.

What they can build today is a pure supercar that competes with the cars that get actually used for driving quickly - the Turbo, the GT-R, or the current king, the F430 Scuderia. They played the numbers game at a time when they could win it, which they did handily. Now, what they should make is basically an über-TVR, a car that goes like stink around corners without all that electronic crap.

perfectly summed-up...

honestly who gives a shit if this thing will chase the veyron? the veyron isn't the ultimate end-all-be-all of cars. it's a car for millionaires to use as the metric for cock size.

if the next-generation f1 can even marginally keep up with the previous it'll be a success.

[Hoser]

For me, if it is any slower then the previous I will be disappointed, unless it is stated that they are not trying to out do it. There is nothing wrong with going for a different market, but don't state that you are the successor. but has }{ said, it could just be some dumb ass jouranlist saying shit.

[}{arlequin]

new aston
http://i35.tinypic.com/2ymx4dz.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/ztj4wj.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/2vmsu2x.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/11t91lg.jpg

[}{arlequin]

new z

http://i34.tinypic.com/2mx065w.jpg

http://i34.tinypic.com/aw5ba0.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/2zs2l94.jpg

i like it. the shape has been improved and in profile it looks even closer to the original datsun's shape

interior still sucks though

[Gary_Busey]

Too many lines on the Aston.

[Limp]

I'd do some lines off of an Aston.

[fuldstændigamok]

Too many lines on the Aston.

Yeah, looks like it has been designed by the guy who drawn the last batch of fugly beemer.

[Archangel]

Yeah, looks like it has been designed by the guy who drawn the last batch of fugly beemer.

Bangle? Hell no.


However, Henrik Fisker, Aston's current design chief, did some work for BMW, namely the Z8.

And yeah, it's too fussy, but since it's an early rendering and all, there's still hope that they will come to their senses.

[Hanover Fist]

Hopefully the new '09 Mazda 6 sells like mad, we just started production on 6 new tools for components on it.
It's kind of crazy at work right now, most of our lines are pretty slow, but there are a few that we literally cannot run enough hours on. They are 7 days a week and we are still short 60 hours a week for what they demand. Denso even told us they would pay all of our OT as long as we ran the doorframe jobs non-stop. Someone is buying the shit out of these cars, I just don't understand it. Kind of nice that oil is down so low now, our resin costs have been almost cut in half from what they were 3 months ago. We were projected to be almost $1m over budget on it just because of the price of oil, we were seriously hurting when oil was 130+ $/bbl


c'mon you know you want one.
http://i37.tinypic.com/2r40aiw.jpg

[Archangel]

Between the Mondeo and the Mazda 6, Ford are building some seriously good mid-size cars these days.

Pity they won't sell their best product in decades to their home customers.

[}{arlequin]

get your gag reflexes in check... panamera's interior







ghastly doesn't begin to describe it

http://www.thetorquereport.com/porsche_panamera_interior_spy3.jpg


http://www.diablomotor.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/panamera-interior.jpg









BUT WAIT!!! they key fob is the piece de resistance http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads14/gay1225911305.gif




http://www.thetorquereport.com/porsche_panamera_interior_spy4.jpg

[The Dude]

Gross

[NOTKyle]

It's like a gay Knight Rider.

[Archangel]

The fuck are Porsche thinking? Has all the money gone to their heads?

[Claydon]

those pics are kind of depressing

[Hoser]

those pics are kind of depressing

I recommend suicide.


Porsche really fucked up on that one. I hope that isn't the final production interior, but rather a designers random night on acid and got a hold of his tools.

I guess even if it looks like complete ass it won't effect me since I wouldn't ever be buying this car. Sucks for those who do though.

[}{arlequin]

it's almost as if they WANT you to prefer the m5... if the outside remains as ugly as it appears, w/ the interior being what it is, even throwing cgt's detuned v10 into it ain't gonna help things.

what do i know, i bet people will still buy it.

[TylerDurden]

it's almost as if they WANT you to prefer the m5... if the outside remains as ugly as it appears, w/ the interior being what it is, even throwing cgt's detuned v10 into it ain't gonna help things.

what do i know, i bet people will still buy it.

no one likes this car. was there some kind of design contest in germany? did some third-grader concoct this heap and porsche promised to create the winning entry fuh realz? what else is this thing supposed to compete with? the fucking 1989 batmobile? honestly... some design engineer at stuttgart needs to either a) quit his job and hang himself or b) stop trying to blow his way to the top.

[Gary_Busey]

Sweet article on the Chevy Volt. I want.

http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/11/the-chevy-volt.html


They changed the body from the previous concepts. Looks way better.

[TylerDurden]

Sweet article on the Chevy Volt. I want.

http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/11/the-chevy-volt.html


They changed the body from the previous concepts. Looks way better.

as much as i dislike gm/chevy i'd actually buy something like this. and hopefully many other people feel the same way, else bob lutz and company will be out looking for a new job after general motors declares bankruptcy.

[Archangel]

Along with half the Midwest...

[Gary_Busey]

It's like a car for tech nerds, and it doesn't look like other retarded looking hybrids. It actually looks pretty fucking sleek.

[TylerDurden]

Along with half the Midwest...

*knock on wood*

thus far the crashing economy hasn't directly affected me much, but that's not to say that it won't indirectly affect me in some way in the near future.

software development projects don't seem to be slowing down much anyways.

in any event buying a brand-new car is definitely not on my list of priorities and i've always viewed it as the worst possible investment one can make with regards to cars. why buy a brand new bimmer when my current one just crossed the 100k threshold and is at the point of break-in? shit, i'd be surprised if it didn't see the day of 300k on the odo.

honestly i believe the volt is too little too late and gm's fucked no matter what, regardless of who buys and who doesn't.

[fuldstændigamok]

I just got myself some new cars to work on. A bunch of rotten 2 CV and a couple of DS. Between the lot of them, I can make a couple of nice playthings. I'm happy :D:o:):p;) .

[Archangel]

They're all shitty Citroens...

[Gary_Busey]

French redneck?

[Archangel]

The DS was the one great car France produced, though.


Pity that was 50 years ago.

[fuldstændigamok]

The DS was the one great car France produced, though.


Pity that was 50 years ago.

Fuck you, kraut.
The SM (maseratti engine, remember?) was awesome, CX was pretty swell as well, Alpine was nice as well, as was the 405 MI6 or the 205 turbo 16 and on and on and on...

[Archangel]

Yeah, and in the same time, we produced about 3645 legendary cars.


Shut up.

[fuldstændigamok]

Yeah, and in the same time, we produced about 3645 legendary cars.


Shut up.

The only car you produced that is on the same par (legendary wise, don't fucking you come on horsepower crap issue) is the 911.

[Gary_Busey]

Neither of you produced any cars.

[}{arlequin]

The only car you produced that is on the same par (legendary wise, don't fucking you come on horsepower crap issue) is the 911.

i'd think it all started w/ the vw beatle.

[Archangel]

Only from '58 on...

The 3.0 CSL, the 190 SL, every BMW M car, the original RS2, the Ur-Quattro, the 959, the G-Wagen, the 507, the 600 Großer, the Carrera GT, the 190 2.5-16 Evo II, the Golf GTI, the McLaren F1's engine, the 917, the Veyron...


Want me to continue?

[Claydon]

OK guys, need your help, and please with hold the 'shut up fag posts'.

My simple car has just a standard stock radio/cd player/aux jack and stock speakers, basically a POS. I am seriously considering purchasing a sirius system and a set of speakers. Now I am not looking to spend $1500, I think $400 to $500 would be sufficient for speakers and the radio. So the question is, do you think best buy is ok to purchase and installation, and what brand names should i be looking at for speakers.

No, I don't want sub woofers, tweeters, or bazooka tubes, just speakers to replace my current POS speakers.

[Hoser]

Just get some 3-way Coax speakers. Depends on the car, but if it is like most cars I have installed on 6x9 or 5x8 in the back and 5 1/4 2-way up front.

Stick to any of the name brands. It isnt like you are going to be pounding a system. You can save some money if you can do it yourself, but my guess is you can't. Don't let best buy install the system. I know they are suppose to be cert'd but in highschool my buddy worked there and he didnt know shit. I would go to a car audio place, you will pay a bit more for the install, but you know it will be done right.

If you want better quality and your car does not have a stock amp look into one of those as well. It wont be for turning it up super loud, but giving a better signal to the speakers since stock decks, hell even after market decks arent going to put out more then 50 or so watts per speaker.

Now shut up fag.

[Hoser]

I want this. Maybe different cars, but I want.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/OMFG_193877.htm

[Claydon]

Just get some 3-way Coax speakers. Depends on the car, but if it is like most cars I have installed on 6x9 or 5x8 in the back and 5 1/4 2-way up front.

Stick to any of the name brands. It isnt like you are going to be pounding a system. You can save some money if you can do it yourself, but my guess is you can't. Don't let best buy install the system. I know they are suppose to be cert'd but in highschool my buddy worked there and he didnt know shit. I would go to a car audio place, you will pay a bit more for the install, but you know it will be done right.

If you want better quality and your car does not have a stock amp look into one of those as well. It wont be for turning it up super loud, but giving a better signal to the speakers since stock decks, hell even after market decks arent going to put out more then 50 or so watts per speaker.

Now shut up fag.

Do you feel i should just avoid best buy all together and find a local car audio shop?

[Hoser]

Well for me I know what I am looking for and if best buy has it I can buy and install myself. But for you, depending on what you want and the price you want ot pay I would just go to a reputable car audio shop. You will pay more but you will have more selection of better equipment.

If you just want a set of ok speakers for an ok price best buy would be fine, but i would buy them and take them to a shop to have installed. You wouldn't believe some of the bad installs I have seen and had to fix when I was younger and did this as a side job.

[Hoser]

This is a good place to look around

http://www.caraudio.com/

Spend more on your front speakers. They are far more important then the rears. It is a mistake that most people make.

http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=17561
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=16414

For your amp it is better to over power and not use it all then underpower. Underpowering will damage your speakers and amp when you try and push it to hard. this JL will give you some room to spare.

http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=11725 (http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=19992)

If you order online you will get that system for $372 and you can use the remainder on an install.

[6655321]

Do you feel i should just avoid best buy all together and find a local car audio shop?


car stereo installs are easy as fuck to diy. just do a little research, order a reputable brand : jl audio, cerwin vega, audiobahn, and you can't go wrong. the only thing you will have to do is learn how to take apart your car doors and rear deck to remove the old ones and pop the new ones in. most car stereo places will sell all the necessary wiring harnesses you will need to make it a simple plug and play operation. that being said, you could barely install a kitchen sink so, in your case, just go to best buy and have some highschool dropout do the install.

[Gary_Busey]

I did my own full install when I was a freshman in high school. JVC Kameleon head unit, Kenwood Excelon 7x10s in the back. It sounded nice for what it was. I'd go with Infinity, they're always solid.

[Claydon]

car stereo installs are easy as fuck to diy. just do a little research, order a reputable brand : jl audio, cerwin vega, audiobahn, and you can't go wrong. the only thing you will have to do is learn how to take apart your car doors and rear deck to remove the old ones and pop the new ones in. most car stereo places will sell all the necessary wiring harnesses you will need to make it a simple plug and play operation. that being said, you could barely install a kitchen sink so, in your case, just go to best buy and have some highschool dropout do the install.

yes, it was new to me, yes it took me a while to do it, but it works perfectly, as do the new light fixtures that i just installed.

[Claydon]

so will i need to get the stereo and then the sirius receiver, or is it usually one unit?

[6655321]

yes, it was new to me, yes it took me a while to do it, but it works perfectly, as do the new light fixtures that i just installed.

then you should have no problem doing a car stereo.














fag.

[}{arlequin]

Do you feel i should just avoid best buy all together and find a local car audio shop?
YES!!!!

skip mail order. skip best buy/circuit city.


go to a local place and see what they carry. if it's just drop-in replacements (most likely), it'll be co-ax as mentioned. (co-ax means you still get mid and tweet, but it'll be all w/in one unit) if you don't want extra holes, cutting/install, that is the way to go. if your car has 5.25" up front and 4x6" in the back, just get those sizes in whatever brand you like.

macintosh will end up being the priciest. for a reason. personally i always liked 'mb quart'. boston acoustics/infinity etc are all gonna be in the midrange pricepoint. ALL OF THEM will be INFINITELY better than whatever the bean counters decided your car should have.

i suggest keeping the stock radio, but since you want some sort of xm/satellite, it may not be an option unless you wanna deal w/ a separate remote/display etc (like gps). the reason i like stock radios is BECAUSE it looks stock. no frills. no invite to break in. your 'new' speakers will be hidden and invisible under the stock paneling and thus not an invite to a broken window.

BUT, if you do stay stock w/ the head unit, a 4 channel amp is recommended like mentioned earlier. not for volume, but for clarity of signal. aftermarket radios will have a built in amp that's enough for your needs, but the stock ones do not do the job so that's why.

so, catch22. stock radio, pay more b/c of amp. aftermarket radio that does all you need, but then it's a visible item aka: invite to steal. depending on your driving/parking patterns it may not be an issue

[TylerDurden]

Do you feel i should just avoid best buy all together and find a local car audio shop?

for fuck's sake do not give those people your fucking money. best buy is useful for times when you have the urge to immediately own a CD/DVD/accessory. it is not useful for when you need a service or something of great value applied to your vehicle. believe me... as absurd as it sounds i highly doubt you want your car to come out of there with the turn signals activating the hydraulics you didn't ask for or the windshield wiper stalk to skip to the next cd.

that said... when looking for something for your ride get something with a solid-state hard drive. fuck this cd shit.

[}{arlequin]

my local home track had a fatality yesterday

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=647468

[TylerDurden]

my local home track had a fatality yesterday

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=647468

fuck. it's always awful to lose a fellow driver. rip. a few guys at bimmerforums were discussing this accident. very sad.

[}{arlequin]

w/o more info it's hard to tell what happened. hitting the wall at the one spot where there are no tires lining it is unfortunate.

[TylerDurden]

w/o more info it's hard to tell what happened. hitting the wall at the one spot where there are no tires lining it is unfortunate.

sounded like brake-failure, judging by the post.

[}{arlequin]

yeah, brakes is what started it but it's hard to figure out what happened after

here's a pic of the main track and the corner in question. brake zone is in the yellow, red is his impact. the problem is, even if you lose all control of the car, including steering, just going straight is gonna put you straight into the gravel which does a very good job of keeping you from reaching the wall.

there is an access road which leads to a skidpad (green) which many take as a last minute save, but this is when they know they can still stop, just a few car lengths further than usual, which is more desirable than in the gravel. no one i know would be willing to aim for the barely-a-car-width gap in the wall hoping to shoot through there at 120+ and end up on the skid pad. gravel does a much much better job

so the question is, was the driver intentionally trying to go for that route, or did the brake failure CAUSE the car to shoot off in such an unnatural direction?

http://i36.tinypic.com/2u4sbo5.jpg

this video shows the area fairly well... silver car that passes fucks it up and opts for the access road. at the 31sec mark the road is clearly visible veering off to the left
http://www.vimeo.com/1820621

[Claydon]

This should make everyone super dooper happy when you read this.

I was at a buddies house last night down in los angeles, was going to leave about 3am and my car would not drive, but rather made a horrible grinding noise, and then the vehicle dropped about a foot and would not move. I thought....my god, did the cv axel completely fail. Nope, even better, some ass fucks stole my rim/tire and left some shitty fucked up rim with a bald punctured tire. They just sorta shoved it onto the rotor and of course took the lug nuts. Bottom line? Thank god for AAA Plus, and $300.

so a member on here suggested locking lug nuts to deter the causal thieves. yes or no?

[Hoser]

Why not, they arent that much. You just have ot hope that the people stealing them do not have the key for them.

[Claydon]

Why not, they arent that much. You just have ot hope that the people stealing them do not have the key for them.

well it is to deter the casual thief, if someone has the hutzpah to have the key, or wants to break into the car to get the tool you are pretty much fucked.

[Hoser]

So you have answered your own question. There was no need to post about it.

[Claydon]

So you have answered your own question. There was no need to post about it.

actually there is, this is the car thread, and i was curious as to others opinion. thankfully, your opinion is typically worthless.

cheers!

[}{arlequin]

Why not, they arent that much. You just have ot hope that the people stealing them do not have the key for them.
if you've got fancy, expensive bbs or some rare jdm stuff, then yes. if all you have is what the car came with, don't bother. they're a pain in the ass and they strip *exactly* at the time you don't want/expect it and it's a pain to remove afterwards. trust me, no one wants stock rims off of ANYTHING. at least not from any stock japanese econoboxes

[Titus_Pullo]

For a showroom shine...

http://i37.tinypic.com/z70xg.jpg

[Claydon]

if you've got fancy, expensive bbs or some rare jdm stuff, then yes. if all you have is what the car came with, don't bother. they're a pain in the ass and they strip *exactly* at the time you don't want/expect it and it's a pain to remove afterwards. trust me, no one wants stock rims off of ANYTHING. at least not from any stock japanese econoboxes

Well, someone stole my right front fucking rim and tire costing me $400 today...so yah, someone out there clearly wanted one or the other or both.

[Ethix]

Just saw this video posted at NAISOC (Subaru Impreza Owners Club) and thought you guys might be entertained.

It's Ken Block doing some Gymkhana testing and practice and I can't stop watching it.

http://video.kenblockracing.com/flash/small_player/preloader.swf?vendor_id=204&media_id=9183&bgcolor=FFFFFF&autoplay=0

[}{arlequin]

Well, someone stole my right front fucking rim and tire costing me $400 today...so yah, someone out there clearly wanted one or the other or both.
chances are it was the wheel. unlucky. it's the same reason you can park a lambo/ferrari w/ doors unlocked and it won't get touched. coincidentally, it's the same reason honda accord is the most stolen car in the u.s. it's about parts. wrecking yards, salvage, etc, ie: chop shops. or wannabe chop shops. they make a fortune replacing peoples' alternators, a/c units, power window cranks etc etc etc... but rest assured, they're not paying dealer prices to get those...

you either live on a border of a really sketchy neighborhood, or you are supremely unlucky. it most likely will not happen again, b/c if they wanted more, all 4 of them would be gone instead of just one.

if it makes you feel better, put the locks on. just remember, thieves AREN"T stupid. they KNOW that wheel lock is somewhere IN THE CAR. b/c really, no one IN THE UNIVERSE walks around all day w/ a fucking wheel lock in their pocket. but, it needs to be on the car in case you have a legitimate emergency/flat tire and need to remove it.

so, now that we established that they know that it's somewhere IN YOUR CAR, if they want your wheel(s), they will still take them, except now it's gonna add a door/window/door lock/glove compartment damage to your bill.

do you understand what i'm getting at?

[Hoser]

actually there is, this is the car thread, and i was curious as to others opinion. thankfully, your opinion is typically worthless.

cheers!

Next are you going to ask if you should wash you car when it is dirty??

[Claydon]

chances are it was the wheel. unlucky. it's the same reason you can park a lambo/ferrari w/ doors unlocked and it won't get touched. coincidentally, it's the same reason honda accord is the most stolen car in the u.s. it's about parts. wrecking yards, salvage, etc, ie: chop shops. or wannabe chop shops. they make a fortune replacing peoples' alternators, a/c units, power window cranks etc etc etc... but rest assured, they're not paying dealer prices to get those...

you either live on a border of a really sketchy neighborhood, or you are supremely unlucky. it most likely will not happen again, b/c if they wanted more, all 4 of them would be gone instead of just one.

if it makes you feel better, put the locks on. just remember, thieves AREN"T stupid. they KNOW that wheel lock is somewhere IN THE CAR. b/c really, no one IN THE UNIVERSE walks around all day w/ a fucking wheel lock in their pocket. but, it needs to be on the car in case you have a legitimate emergency/flat tire and need to remove it.

so, now that we established that they know that it's somewhere IN YOUR CAR, if they want your wheel(s), they will still take them, except now it's gonna add a door/window/door lock/glove compartment damage to your bill.

do you understand what i'm getting at?

Yah I see what you are saying, and I grant you some of this is reactionary as I had to shell out $400 for a shitty fucking rim, 7 lug nuts (others were stripped on the other tires as it appeared they were trying to go for all of the wheels and most likely were scared off for some reason). not to mention my time to run around yesterday. But your point is well taken, it was just something I was considering and after reading your post and reviews and the ins and outs of lug nut locks I am leaning towards the nay.

[Claydon]

at least not from any stock japanese econoboxes

damn you harlequin! You will not refer to blue thunder as a 'japanese econobox"!!!

[}{arlequin]

gas guzzler sound better to ya?

[TylerDurden]

they make nut/bolt locks that are small enough to fit on a key chain. if you're the type of person who gives a fuck about your rims being stolen you're the type of person who's not going to give a fuck about having this on your key chain.

that said the typical lock set will not deter a wheel thief, but it will deter them long enough for your alarm to go off and for you to grab a baseball bat.

[Claydon]

they make nut/bolt locks that are small enough to fit on a key chain. if you're the type of person who gives a fuck about your rims being stolen you're the type of person who's not going to give a fuck about having this on your key chain.

that said the typical lock set will not deter a wheel thief, but it will deter them long enough for your alarm to go off and for you to grab a baseball bat.

i would be in prison right now if i saw those jack asses stealing my shit and I had a baseball bat.

[Claydon]

gas guzzler sound better to ya?

You will refer to her as blue thunder, and you will like it.

[6655321]

You will refer to her as blue thunder, and you will like it.


my dad had a shitty blue toyota pickup when i was a kid that he referred to as blue thunder.

[Gary_Busey]

I dropped a turd the other day that I called blue thunder.

[6655321]

I dropped a turd the other day that I called blue thunder.

what have you been eating, dude?

[Claydon]

my dad had a shitty blue toyota pickup when i was a kid that he referred to as blue thunder.

yah...i admit it is A. Uber gay to name one's car and B. supremely gay to name it after a helicopter from a movie in 1984. With that said...it is just a Nissan Sentra.

[}{arlequin]

weren't u supposed to be beemer shopping, or did the wife take all your money already?

[Gary_Busey]

what have you been eating, dude?
Lots of blue Jell-O.

[Claydon]

weren't u supposed to be beemer shopping, or did the wife take all your money already?

oh ive got the fund, it is still increasing in size. I figure the only way I will be able to pull this off is if I pay all cash and no credit. She is still give me mountains of shit when she catches me reading about bmws online.

[Pax Britannia]

I'm thinking of getting a BMW 1 Series.

[6655321]

my chick's car is a 98 sentra and i fucking loathe it. a whopping 1.8L 4 cylinder. the only positive is that it's gotten me to slow down. i have 2 reckless driving tickets on my record from shortly before moving to memphrica. :(

[Claydon]

my chick's car is a 98 sentra and i fucking loathe it. a whopping 1.8L 4 cylinder. the only positive is that it's gotten me to slow down. i have 2 reckless driving tickets on my record from shortly before moving to memphrica. :(

yah, my sentra is a 1.8L, however during the summer when gasoline was 4.60 a gallon it was fantastic. I commute about 300 miles a week and my gasoline bills were running around $43 a week, and people at my job who are driving 6/8 cylinder vehicles and what not were screaming about $60-$70 to fill up.

I win!

Besides, I actually do spend quite a bit on maint. and the car is in the shop about 4-6 weeks for servicing too keep it in tip top shape.

[Gary_Busey]

My car's check engine light came on yesterday. I don't really want to take it to the shop.

[TylerDurden]

oh ive got the fund, it is still increasing in size. I figure the only way I will be able to pull this off is if I pay all cash and no credit. She is still give me mountains of shit when she catches me reading about bmws online.

you can back down over a volkswagen. you can even back down over an audi. but you never back down over a bimmer. ever. you fuckin' hear me? now i'm not suggesting you divorce your lady over this shit, but a lot of people try to be real casual about bmw ownership. and they've got it wrong. it's a way of life, a religion. think about that. now i'm far from claiming any religion, but would you turn your back on god because your wife told you it was a good idea? fuck no you wouldn't.

the day i bought my first bmw is the day i found the only car manufacturer i'll ever purchase from again. it's one of the few cars in the world that will treat you like a prince (so long as you treat her like a princess) until the day she's retired with 400k+ miles on the clock.

also, for future reference, car people... beemers are the nicknames for bmw's motorcycle division, bimmers are the four-legged variety. hence why it's called bimmerforums. really, though, that doesn't apply to anyone but owners, i guess.

[Claydon]

you can back down over a volkswagen. you can even back down over an audi. but you never back down over a bimmer. ever. you fuckin' hear me? now i'm not suggesting you divorce your lady over this shit, but a lot of people try to be real casual about bmw ownership. and they've got it wrong. it's a way of life, a religion. think about that. now i'm far from claiming any religion, but would you turn your back on god because your wife told you it was a good idea? fuck no you wouldn't.

the day i bought my first bmw is the day i found the only car manufacturer i'll ever purchase from again. it's one of the few cars in the world that will treat you like a prince (so long as you treat her like a princess) until the day she's retired with 400k+ miles on the clock.

also, for future reference, car people... beemers are the nicknames for bmw's motorcycle division, bimmers are the four-legged variety. hence why it's called bimmerforums. really, though, that doesn't apply to anyone but owners, i guess.


Absolutely, this thing would be a pure pleasure car, something for me to constantly buff and listen to music in the garage while detailing the shit out of it. I do not think I would even put a couple thousand miles per year on it, mostly to cruise the wine country in the central coast.

[}{arlequin]

never knew ab the bimmer thing... guess it's like porsh vs. porsche, but different

[TylerDurden]

Absolutely, this thing would be a pure pleasure car, something for me to constantly buff and listen to music in the garage while detailing the shit out of it. I do not think I would even put a couple thousand miles per year on it, mostly to cruise the wine country in the central coast.

there ya' go. absolutely. mine comes out of the garage during the summer months, receives a full tune-up every six months, runs once a week during the winter to keep the oil circulating/fuel good, cleaned and detailed meticulously every other weekend (wax taken off, clay-bar'd, rewaxed once a month), dusted every weekend during the winter, and always kept in a heated/cooled garage (depending on the season, of course). although i'm not sure i'd care to go for a leisurely cruise in mine: it's race-prepped with a suspension so stiff you'd be hard-pressed not to piss your pants after a mile. and handling? i've never felt a car dance the way a bmw does.

[6655321]

you can back down over a volkswagen. you can even back down over an audi. but you never back down over a bimmer. ever. you fuckin' hear me? now i'm not suggesting you divorce your lady over this shit, but a lot of people try to be real casual about bmw ownership. and they've got it wrong. it's a way of life, a religion. think about that. now i'm far from claiming any religion, but would you turn your back on god because your wife told you it was a good idea? fuck no you wouldn't.

the day i bought my first bmw is the day i found the only car manufacturer i'll ever purchase from again. it's one of the few cars in the world that will treat you like a prince (so long as you treat her like a princess) until the day she's retired with 400k+ miles on the clock.

also, for future reference, car people... beemers are the nicknames for bmw's motorcycle division, bimmers are the four-legged variety. hence why it's called bimmerforums. really, though, that doesn't apply to anyone but owners, i guess.

i like this dood.

[Archangel]

I saw a fully (matte) blacked out M5 the other night.


I almost blew a load.

[Archangel]

And I'm a Merc man, for fuck's sake.

[}{arlequin]

I saw a fully (matte) blacked out M5 the other night.


I almost blew a load.

evil personified. i like it

[Claydon]

I saw a fully (matte) blacked out M5 the other night.


I almost blew a load.

based on your simplistic yet highly effective post.........i did blow a load.

[Pax Britannia]

There's allot of load blowing going on here.

[Gary_Busey]

I love flat black finishes with black wheels.

[}{arlequin]

I love flat black finishes with black wheels.
me too


http://i35.tinypic.com/ru5e87.jpg

http://i34.tinypic.com/alq3vc.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/2vd1kpf.jpg

[Archangel]

Speaking of flat black and load blowing...



Splooge.

http://ilovesubstance.com/images/cars/flat_black/flat_black_audi-r8.jpg

[Archangel]

Oh dear Lord.

http://ilovesubstance.com/images/cars/flat_black/599-GTB-Fiorano-Ferrari_2.jpg
http://ilovesubstance.com/images/cars/flat_black/599-GTB-Fiorano-Ferrari_1.jpg

[Hoser]

Here are some nice satin paint jobs for you guys
http://motoringunderground.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4990

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3253/2978750265_0ec229e4be_o.jpg
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m218/serebo1/Serebo1_show.jpg

[Archangel]

Does carbon count?

http://ilovesubstance.com/images/cars/flat_black/pagani_zonda_r_top_view.jpg

[Hoser]

No, but I have 5 pictures of that car for my desktop (gaia rotates them for me)

[Archangel]

Upload that shit, like, NOW.

[Gary_Busey]

My Z06 will be black on black.

http://www.holterlabs.com/Black-Z06.jpg

[Hoser]

It is Satin paint that looks sweet, not flat. There is a difference.

Flat paint looks unkept, while satin, well satin does this
I saw a fully (matte) blacked out M5 the other night.


I almost blew a load.
http://i33.tinypic.com/rifc4i.jpg
http://i38.tinypic.com/257hzko.jpg
http://i37.tinypic.com/2po2xsh.jpg
http://i38.tinypic.com/2is77s2.jpg


Here is the rest of the series of that Zonda for you Arch

http://i37.tinypic.com/30wld6v.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/2wom1c6.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/j82n4k.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/9gdixu.jpg

[Gary_Busey]

That bike is fucking badass. I want.

[The Dude]

if you're going to go "murdered out" (which i am definitely a fan) you've gotta get the smokey plastic light covers so that they don't look so out of place.

[Gary_Busey]

I don't like light covers. They make the car look cheap.

[Hoser]

if you're going to go "murdered out" (which i am definitely a fan) you've gotta get the smokey plastic light covers so that they don't look so out of place.

If you are spending $20,000 on a paint job (thats what a professional satin job will cost you) then you aren't going out to autozone and buying cheap plastic to put on your car. You do that they did with the F430 and properly paint the tails. If you do the headlights you will look retarded.

[The Dude]

If you are spending $20,000 on a paint job (thats what a professional satin job will cost you) then you aren't going out to autozone and buying cheap plastic to put on your car. You do that they did with the F430 and properly paint the tails. If you do the headlights you will look retarded.

did i say do it cheaply? no. i'm sure there's a nice expensive way to achieve the same goal. I like cars, but i don't pretend to be nearly as obsessed or knowledgeable about them as some here are. It was an offhand comment that was more a generalization than "aww man, you should go to walmart and get the $16.99 special!" If you'd remove the hotwheels set from your rectum, that would have been pretty evident.

you really have to get the whole short-guy complex under control

[Hoser]

You said you want to use plastic headlight covers. They look cheap, they are cheap. There is no other way to go about it.

You really need to read a post for what it is rather then making assumptions.

[TylerDurden]

If you are spending $20,000 on a paint job (thats what a professional satin job will cost you) then you aren't going out to autozone and buying cheap plastic to put on your car. You do that they did with the F430 and properly paint the tails. If you do the headlights you will look retarded.

there's a difference between going to autozone and buying from a reputable tuning company. matter of fact i'm getting the dark side-markers, euro-darkened tail lights/corners, and fogs for christmas from my gf... from ddmtuning (you prolly won't know this company unless you frequent bimmerforums). them shits are going to look amazing. i don't see a reason to have someone paint them as i know at some point i'm going to eat a rock (there go the fogs and corners) or something and the money to have that shit custom-painted could just as well go into new racing harness locks or ate5 brake fluid... and then some.

[TylerDurden]

You said you want to use plastic headlight covers. They look cheap, they are cheap. There is no other way to go about it.

You really need to read a post for what it is rather then making assumptions.

ah... yeah... leave the headlight glass alone. if you want to darken those, darken the housings behind the glass.

[Hoser]

there's a difference between going to autozone and buying from a reputable tuning company. matter of fact i'm getting the dark side-markers, euro-darkened tail lights/corners, and fogs for christmas from my gf... from ddmtuning (you prolly won't know this company unless you frequent bimmerforums). them shits are going to look amazing. i don't see a reason to have someone paint them as i know at some point i'm going to eat a rock (there go the fogs and corners) or something and the money to have that shit custom-painted could just as well go into new racing harness locks or ate5 brake fluid... and then some.

He was talking about these things

http://www.abcexclusive.com/images/lights_grilles_emblems/hlc700s_79.jpg

I think that covers for any lights look cheap. I don't care what company they come from. Now if you are getting new side markers that are darker, that is completely different. But I have yet to see a cover that looks as good as stock.

I am not saying it would be impossible for it to look good, but I have yet to see it myself.

[TylerDurden]

He was talking about these things

http://www.abcexclusive.com/images/lights_grilles_emblems/hlc700s_79.jpg

I think that covers for any lights look cheap. I don't care what company they come from. Now if you are getting new side markers that are darker, that is completely different. But I have yet to see a cover that looks as good as stock.

there are some that can pull the look off, but to be honest it's not to my taste simply because it doesn't look factory-direct. the seams aren't flush and the finish doesn't really fit very well. now there are some cars that can get away with it (camaros and mustangs), but your common-variety european car... no.

[Gary_Busey]

I've never seen a car with those on it and liked it.

[Hoser]

Some are held on with clips, but i have seen many held on with little Velcro pieces, which makes it look even worse.

The only cars that look somewhat acceptable with them are Camaro's since they sit flush, but even then it looks pretty cheap.

http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/1701/images/cam06s.jpg

That is the nicest example I can find, and it still looks like ass.

[6655321]

when i was in hs, i had those terrible things on my maxima for 2 whole weeks. you can't see shit with those on at night.

[TylerDurden]

meh, to each his own. everyone's style and taste differs. somewhere, in some small town that hasn't quite caught on yet, i'm sure it's totally acceptable for a civic or cavalier to sport a rear wing (not a spoiler, a wing). that used to be the case around here, but they're gradually becoming extinct as more and more owners have them torn from their cars using their faces to knock them free. again... not everyone's taste is the same.

[Gary_Busey]

I wish people would quit using those exhaust tips that make their car sound like a lawnmower.

[}{arlequin]

as cool as it looks, i'd never have a car resprayed into some other color. it'll never be done as well as the factory job. either order it new and have it specc'd w/ the color of your choosing as an option, or i'd leave it alone.

this is one of my prior cars. ricearoni. (hey look, wheel locks!!)

http://i34.tinypic.com/2yl8qwx.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/34dg12v.jpg

http://i37.tinypic.com/2wf91s2.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/300zo7b.jpg

[Gary_Busey]

You put way too much money into an Integra.

[}{arlequin]

i was pissed b/c when i bought it there was no talk of the type-r being brought to the states. then it came and i had to make it better than the type-r.

as far as money, it was the bare minimum. for a track car, i kept it rather tame. brakes/wheels/suspension. the rest is just safety equipment which is mandatory.

[Gary_Busey]

A friend of mine in high school had one. It's a quick little car for what it is.

[}{arlequin]

it was a fun car to toss around. the only fault it had was the front wheel drive


http://i38.tinypic.com/v68105.jpg

[The Dude]

You said you want to use plastic headlight covers. They look cheap, they are cheap. There is no other way to go about it.

You really need to read a post for what it is rather then making assumptions.

see, i've never even heard of a side marker, but the intent was something that looks good. i'm sure there are even other ways of getting a light setup that looks better than stock when everything is blacked out. i don't know, but i do know the difference between good and better but i don't know all of the details.

for example, i don't care how it's done, but i hate the look of the red in the taillights:

http://i38.tinypic.com/2vd1kpf.jpg



http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3253/2978750265_0ec229e4be_o.jpg

[TylerDurden]

You put way too much money into an Integra.

i'd take a teggy as my daily, nimble, decent handling, decent fuel economy. they're not bad cars. they're great base cars to start from, too. worse could be done when selecting a mod-car, that's for sure.

[Hoser]

see, i've never even heard of a side marker, but the intent was something that looks good. i'm sure there are even other ways of getting a light setup that looks better than stock when everything is blacked out. i don't know, but i do know the difference between good and better but i don't know all of the details.

for example, i don't care how it's done, but i hate the look of the red in the taillights:

http://i38.tinypic.com/2vd1kpf.jpg



http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3253/2978750265_0ec229e4be_o.jpg

The red in the tails is stock. It is red plastic from the factory.

[}{arlequin]

are americans retarded? i think the answer is an unequivocal "yes":

Falling Gas Prices Jump-Start GM SUV Sales (http://www.wsoctv.com/automotive/17945476/detail.html#-)

[Hoser]

I would really like to see a mass genocide of stupid people. They really aren't helping anyone.

[Pax Britannia]

I would really like to see a mass genocide of stupid people. They really aren't helping anyone.

We need another world war to thin the numbers out a little.

[Hoser]

Can't we just put a whole bunch of fast food in the middle of the US and make them fight to the death over it, then allow the excess fat in the food kill the rest off??

[The Dude]

The red in the tails is stock. It is red plastic from the factory.

right..and if you're going to spend 19 grand on a paint job why not a few hundred on lights?

anywho, with a glossier finish, it looks much better:

http://image.restorationhardware.com/is/image/rhis/02_feature?wid=918&fmt=jpeg&qlt=90,0&op_sharpen=0&resMode=bicub&op_usm=0.4,1.0,5,0&iccEmbed=0

[Hoser]

See I don't think most of those cars need anything done to their lights. I do like it on the F430, but thats about it, maybe a few others. I like tasteful mods and I do not like cars that are over done. To me, in most cases adding visual mods for the sake of adding visual mods does not do it for me. I think it looks tacky, but that is just personal opinion.

There is no need to "spend a few hundred on lights" unless the car needs it to finish the look. 99.9999% of cars out there do not need them to finish the look and that is a case of doing a visual mod for the sake of doing a visual mod.

Now I have seen some over the top cars I really like, but for the most part a nice clean car, tastefully done is what I want.

I also agree that most cars should have a gloss finish. There are not many cars out there that can pull off the satin finish, I haven;t seen many older cars that look to good in Satin, unless it is a street rod, some of those look amazing. For the most part it is new high end cars that look good with that kind of finish on them.

You said cars aren't really your thing, where as they are my thing. I am a big car buff, and I see a lot of cars and it has really changed my opinion. 5 years ago I would have agreed with you 100%, but with time my tastes have changed as I have been exposed to so many cars and so many different styles.

Anywho, to each his own.

[ruffdog]

how long does it take to fix a small dent on a bumper and small scratch on the side of a car?

fuck its been 5 days already....

[Penguin Rick]

All the black-on-black in this page made me cum in my pants.

[Claydon]

how long does it take to fix a small dent on a bumper and small scratch on the side of a car?

fuck its been 5 days already....

I just had two small dents and some warping of the panel repaired. it took 7 business days.

[Hoser]

how long does it take to fix a small dent on a bumper and small scratch on the side of a car?

fuck its been 5 days already....

Your car has already been stripped and sold for parts.

[ruffdog]

I just had two small dents and some warping of the panel repaired. it took 7 business days.

yeah fuck spot on, 7 days

just called them and they said it will be ready by tuesday

[Hoser]

They always seem to give me a half chub.

http://img207.imagevenue.com/loc138/th_88963_Aston-M_DBS_175_1280x800_122_138lo.jpg (http://img207.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=88963_Aston-M_DBS_175_1280x800_122_138lo.jpg)http://img160.imagevenue.com/loc872/th_88964_Aston-M_DBS_181_1280x800_122_872lo.jpg (http://img160.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=88964_Aston-M_DBS_181_1280x800_122_872lo.jpg)http://img108.imagevenue.com/loc943/th_88970_aston_m_dbr9-76-1280_122_943lo.jpg (http://img108.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=88970_aston_m_dbr9-76-1280_122_943lo.jpg)http://img159.imagevenue.com/loc177/th_89042_aston_m_dbr9-77-1280_122_177lo.jpg (http://img159.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=89042_aston_m_dbr9-77-1280_122_177lo.jpg)
http://img185.imagevenue.com/loc83/th_89049_Aston-M_DBS_189_1280x800_122_83lo.jpg (http://img185.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=89049_Aston-M_DBS_189_1280x800_122_83lo.jpg)http://img40.imagevenue.com/loc1025/th_89050_Aston-Martin_DBS_102_1280x800_122_1025lo.jpg (http://img40.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=89050_Aston-Martin_DBS_102_1280x800_122_1025lo.jpg)http://img44.imagevenue.com/loc720/th_89055_Aston-Martin_DB9_138_1280x800_122_720lo.jpg (http://img44.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=89055_Aston-Martin_DB9_138_1280x800_122_720lo.jpg)
http://img247.imagevenue.com/loc478/th_89062_aston-martin-153-07_122_478lo.jpg (http://img247.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=89062_aston-martin-153-07_122_478lo.jpg)http://img20.imagevenue.com/loc638/th_89063_AM_Vantage-V8_158_1280x800_122_638lo.jpg (http://img20.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=89063_AM_Vantage-V8_158_1280x800_122_638lo.jpg)http://img15.imagevenue.com/loc648/th_89069_AM_Vantage-V8_161_1280x800_122_648lo.jpg (http://img15.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=89069_AM_Vantage-V8_161_1280x800_122_648lo.jpg)

[420monk]

Ferrari Zobin Concept
http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/zobin_concept_image006.jpg

http://www.carbodydesign.com/archive/2008/11/13-ferrari-zobin/

[Archangel]

That's got to be the ugliest fucking thing on four wheels.

[Pax Britannia]

Obviously a car for track days.

[Archangel]

So's the FXX, but at least that doesn't look like such a fucking abomination.

[Pax Britannia]

I dont think it's that ugly. Just looks like a F1 car for the civilian market.

[Gary_Busey]

Looks like a Hot Wheel.

[Archangel]

If you want a track day Ferrari, do what everybody else with the necessary money does.

http://e-carzone.com/ferari/fxx/ferrari_fxx_04.jpg

It's not pretty, either (front overhangs...), but compared to Bubble Boy over there it's Angelina fucking Jolie.

[Hoser]

Just like the X-Bow and T1 it is made ot look futuristic and like some sort of race car. While I Love the T1 (other then the fires) I do not like this so much. but it will never hit the streets, and is not even close to the ugliest thing to come from Ferrari.

This is a work in concept design, and anyone who takes it for anything more then that should leave this thread and never come back.

http://s2.desktopmachine.com/pics/KTM_X-bow-2008_17_1280x800.jpg
http://s2.desktopmachine.com/pics/Caparo_T1-ok_2007_01_1280x800.jpg

[Hoser]

Article
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/10/29/officially-official-nissan-drops-370z-ahead-of-la-debut/
http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2008/05/nissan-370z-unveiled-during.html
http://autos.canada.com/news/story.html?id=3bfc3ac9-5a2c-4375-94f0-58846ca36b1d

Video
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Nissan-370Z-Reveal-before_199444.htm

Pics
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2009-nissan-370z-early-reveal/

http://www.speedandmotion.com/pictures/370Zpreview/slides/DSC_0291.JPG

Not really a fan of this yet. Those headlights and grill will really have to grow on me. I like the rear end and the increased power. The interior isnt that bad either.

[Don Scrappy]

Ferrari Zobin Concept
http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/zobin_concept_image006.jpg

http://www.carbodydesign.com/archive/2008/11/13-ferrari-zobin/

most concepts are fugly based on contemporary design, that is why they are concepts. Having said that, I think this looks pretty cool. It reminds me of the Atom with an awesome bubble around it.

[resolva]

If you left that Ferrari Zobin Concept on the side of the road it wouldnt be there when you got back!

[}{arlequin]

If you left that Ferrari Zobin Concept on the side of the road it wouldnt be there when you got back!
same thing happens to civics and camrys. and apparently sentras

[redsox39]

Can't we just put a whole bunch of fast food in the middle of the US and make them fight to the death over it, then allow the excess fat in the food kill the rest off??

uhh, aren't you already in phase 2 of that plan?

[redsox39]

If you left that Ferrari Zobin Concept on the side of the road it wouldnt be there when you got back!

The type of people who would steal that car wouldn't be able to figure out how to get in and operate it.

Except for Nicholas Cage. He can boost any car.

[TylerDurden]

Ferrari Zobin Concept
http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/zobin_concept_image006.jpg

http://www.carbodydesign.com/archive/2008/11/13-ferrari-zobin/

hmmm...

That's got to be the ugliest fucking thing on four wheels.

i disagreed with you... until i got to the rear end. if this thing came close to market it'd sell like hotcakes simply because of the badge, but if they didn't change up that rear end... fuck this thing. it was amazing and then it was like they thought it would be nice to fuck up a lot of hard work.

[Hoser]

The rear reminds me of older IMSA GTP cars.

From the top it reminds me a futuristic Prowler.

[Claydon]

Saw this beauty on the way to work the other day and just happened to have my camera. I <3 Lotus.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/idexx/000_0030.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/idexx/000_0031.jpg

[Pax Britannia]

I see the Elise everyday. Theres one parked at the end of my street.

[Claydon]

I see the Elise everyday. Theres one parked at the end of my street.

You are in the UK, i'm just a tad west of you in california, Lotus is not that common around here.

[Claydon]

not only that, but the steering wheel is on the correct side in this version as opposed to you foolish brits :)