Car Thread

[Archangel]

Needs login.

[Pax Britannia]

The Fast & The Furious: Tokyo Drift looked kinda gay to me in the posters. It was probably all the neon lighting.

[TylerDurden]

drifting = teh gheys!?

as much as i genuinely dislike the obnoxious group of wannabes and posers this beast has created, i genuinely can't see a connection. furthermore, i can't recall the last time spent tires were cheap to replace. spent boys? that's another matter.

[Gary_Busey]

I'm sure it's all kinds of fun, but it's a gay sport, or whatever it is.

[Hoser]

Now I understand the thrill of being on the edge, of pushing the limits of you cars traction at different speeds with solid barriers being what will stop you, but I cannot see drifting as a true automotive sport. Yes it takes talent, but so does a demo derby. I see it as a stupid "hey look theres is noise and smoke" type entertainment.

Do I write off the drifters and morons... no, but I defiantly do not put them in the same league as WRC, ALMS or F1


BTW it is 6:30 in the morning, I just got home and I am hammered, so changes may come,

[Chaka]

Totaled my car last night (Acura TL). I need recommendations for a new car under 35K.

[Hoser]

G35 S Coupe, Not sure if you could find a 37 S for that price or not.

[}{arlequin]

Needs login.
weird. this one?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/world/middleeast/08drift.html?_r=4&hp

[Chaka]

G35 S Coupe, Not sure if you could find a 37 S for that price or not.


What does a G35 S go for?

[Hoser]

$34,995 - 2007 G37 Coupe
http://images.autotrader.com/images/2009/2/28/257/922/10688877563.257922458.IM1.MAIN.565x421_A.562x421.j pg
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=257922458&dealer_id=1361780&car_year=2008&rdm=1236716329669&model=G35&num_records=25&systime=&make3=&make2=INFIN&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=500&marketZipError=false&model2=G37&search_lang=en&showZipError=n&make=INFIN&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar::ispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=35004&advanced=&end_year=2010&doors=&transmission=&max_price=35000&cardist=579&standard=false

Same price but this is a Sport
http://images.autotrader.com/images/2009/3/1/258/823/10697863949.258823368.IM1.MAIN.565x421_A.562x421.j pg
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=258823368&dealer_id=76440&car_year=2008&rdm=1236716329669&model=G35&num_records=25&systime=&make3=&make2=INFIN&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=500&marketZipError=false&model2=G37&search_lang=en&showZipError=n&make=INFIN&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar::ispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=35004&advanced=&end_year=2010&doors=&transmission=&max_price=35000&cardist=598&standard=false

Here are some G35's. Look at the coupe, don't bother with the Sedans.
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/searchresults.jsp?num_records=25&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar::ispsearchform&search_type=both&distance=500&address=35004&marketZipError=false&style_flag=1&make=INFIN&model=G35&make2=&start_year=1981&end_year=2010&min_price=&max_price=35000&seller_type=b&transmission=&engine=&drive=&doors=&fuel=&max_mileage=&color=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&keywords_display=&sort_type=priceDESC&x=44&y=11&body_code=0&certified=&advanced=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&showZipError=n&default_sort=priceDESC&awsp=false&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&systime=&rdm=1236716492121

[Chaka]

That is a beautiful car. I have to have a 4 door.

[Hoser]

Then go with the Sedan. Not as nice, but still nice.

G35
http://www.tirekick.com/TK06-May/images/07InfG35.jpg

G37
http://www.carversation.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/g37.jpg

[Hoser]

Erection

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/03/Audi_R15_01.jpg

[}{arlequin]

is the smallest lexus in that price point as well?

[Hoser]

The IS250 should be, maybe even the 350 used.

[Hoser]

Used S4 is also in that range depending on year and miles.

[Gary_Busey]

Or a used A4.

[Hoser]

Why get an A4 when you could get an S4.

The only reason I would see is that you could get a newer model year. But common, Bi Turbo V6 MMMMM

[Gary_Busey]

I don't know, I just like the A4 better.

[Hoser]

Weird
http://www.carbodydesign.com/archive/2007/08/31-audi-a4/2006-Audi-A4-lg.jpghttp://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200603/2006-audi-s4-sedan-2_460x0w.jpg

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/03/Audi_R15_03.jpg
MMMMMMMMMM

[Archangel]

Is that the R8 V12 TDI LM?

[Hoser]

Not sure/R15/R8 DTM

[Archangel]

I think you mean A4 DM...

[Hoser]

Yes your right, A4, not R8

[Hoser]

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/03/Motorcycle_Crash.gif

[}{arlequin]

object fixation is a bitch.

[TylerDurden]

lolol that guy got fucking rawked.

[Pax Britannia]

No wonder there was an accident. Their both on the wrong side of the road.

[6655321]

fuck motorcyclists. most of them are pricks.

[Trident]

My uncle had a motorcycle ram in to one of the rear wheels of his tractor at almost 100mph, the rider was killed and torn to shreds when dragged between the wheel and tractor body.

Took him hours to pressure wash the wheel of all the blood, entrails and shit.

[Pax Britannia]

fuck motorcyclists. most of them are pricks.

Yeah I am kind of a prick.

[Trident]

Might have the pics somewhere he took of the crash.

Typical farmer, once the tractor was released from the forensic stuff he just cleaned it and carried on!

[Pax Britannia]

I hate farmers. Always getting in the way with their farming and such.

[6655321]

Yeah I am kind of a prick.

do you do wheelies!?

[Pax Britannia]

do you do wheelies!?

Not on any bike I own. I'll ruin some other fuckers suspension for a laugh though.

[Trident]

do you do wheelies!?

bIupG1TNm-k

[6655321]

michelle pfeiffer is still super bangable.

[Pax Britannia]

michelle pfeiffer is still super bangable.

She's totally bangable. It's a shame she never did any good nude/sex scenes.

[TylerDurden]

I hate farmers. Always getting in the way with their farming and such.

srsly. so much potential for new roads or tracks, and all they wanna do is grow the fuck out of some corn.

[Archangel]

michelle pfeiffer is still super bangable.

Oh yes.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff270/jesuisreine/michelle-pfeiffer-stardust-prem2.jpg

[Hoser]

Name this engine

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/03/Headers-Of-Fire-SLS-AMG.jpg

[6655321]

looks like a spaceship.

[Hoser]

xCJOEZO1lGA

BMW FAIL!

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/03/BMW_M3_Twin_Turbo.jpg


Arch to answer your question on the other page about the R8 LMS, yes it was, but it is a V10 not a V12TDI
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/03/audi-r8-lms-racing-car_9.jpg

[TylerDurden]

Oh yes.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff270/jesuisreine/michelle-pfeiffer-stardust-prem2.jpg

she's in full-blown cougar mode these days... i'd knock the fuckin' bottom outta that.

[Archangel]

Name this engine

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/03/Headers-Of-Fire-SLS-AMG.jpg

Says SLS AMG in the image name.


That's gonna be one serious car, too.

[Archangel]

she's in full-blown cougar mode these days... i'd knock the fuckin' bottom outta that.

She was bloody stunning in Stardust. Sienna who?

[TylerDurden]

Name this engine

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/03/Headers-Of-Fire-SLS-AMG.jpg

EDIT: goddamn it arch

[Pax Britannia]

She was bloody stunning in Stardust. Sienna who?

I would ruin her like Fuld ruins English on a daily basis.

[TylerDurden]

I would ruin her like Fuld ruins English on a daily basis.

she's so fucking delectable i'd take sloppy seconds or thirds, but i get first dibs on claire danes (speaking of stardust).

[Hoser]

Says SLS AMG in the image name.


That's gonna be one serious car, too.


Cheater!!!

[}{arlequin]

http://www.porschetuningmag.com/porsche-carrera-gt-crash/


http://i44.tinypic.com/j6ij2t.jpg

[Archangel]

That guy is the biggest douche bag on earth. Made his money with strip clubs and prostitution, and bought an adoption (and title) from a prince who needed the money... He's so classless and vulgar, he makes Arabs look like Alexander Hamilton.

The guy's an insult to Germany, I can only imagine how much the European aristocracy hates him.

[TylerDurden]

The guy's an insult to Germany, I can only imagine how much the European aristocracy hates him.

then i suppose it's only fitting that the dickalope thrashed his very expensive german supercar.

[}{arlequin]

i would be lying if i said i didn't expect some kind of input from arch


either way, it just confirmed what i thought

[}{arlequin]

That guy is the biggest douche bag on earth. Made his money with strip clubs and prostitution, and bought an adoption (and title) from a prince who needed the money... He's so classless and vulgar, he makes Arabs look like Alexander Hamilton.

The guy's an insult to Germany, I can only imagine how much the European aristocracy hates him.
a bit ot, but... what do you think of these guys. or people being 'knighted' by them in the recent years?

http://www.orderofmalta.org/site/storia.asp?idlingua=5

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Hospitaller

[Archangel]

I've met a few Knights of Malta, and they're an eccentric bunch. One guy, in Austria, was building his castle in - 1990. Had a wine cellar that Claydon would have sold his mother into chattel slavery for.

Why, what arseholes have they knighted recently?

[Trident]

I attend the annual White Knights fundraising ball in London; they're a decent bunch of people.

[}{arlequin]

I attend the annual White Knights fundraising ball in London; they're a decent bunch of people.
as long as they do more good than bad, i'm ok w/ them, but it seems like it loses its gravity when you can 'buy' a knighthood

[Trident]

as long as they do more good than bad, i'm ok w/ them, but it seems like it loses its gravity when you can 'buy' a knighthood

Oh, people who buy entitlements are tools. There are plenty who have bought redundant titles in the UK, but they don't get a seat in the House of Lords, they don't get any of the privileges that come with a Coronation and those with real breeding don't touch them with a bargepole.

I don't think you can buy a knighthood in the UK, but you can a Lordship.

Anyhoo, a white knight has no statutory rights in the UK as far as I know.

[moe_blunts]

I drive a '98 a 4runner. It's an awesome ride...very reliable but it has an issue. The problem is that when I need to use the headlights and turn signal at the same time, sometimes (not every time) the headlights switch off. I say this happens 50% of the time. I have to be very cognizant when driving at night, especially on lit streets because I don't know when my headlights are on or off.

What's happening? Thanks for any help.

[TylerDurden]

sounds like you have a short in the electrical system.

[moe_blunts]

how would i go about fixing it?

[}{arlequin]

it's tough to diagnose it w/o an electrical background but there is a chance your turn signal stalk (flasher relay etc) is acting up.

have someone w/ a volt meter check the bulb socket contacts, and then check it while flipping the turn signal. if it's all over the place it's your stalk.

you could try replacing the turn signal assembly w/ a new one, but it's a bit of a pain since you have to open up the access to the steering column. sometimes it's just the plastic covers that come off, sometimes you have to take off the steering wheel (if so, make sure to disconnect the ground from the battery b/c of airbag etc)

[Hoser]

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/03/Spyker_C8_Aileron.jpg

Alexander Antonov, Russian banker and controlling owner of Netherlands-based Spyker Cars, was shot seven times in an apparent assassination attempt. Anatov and his bodyguard are listed in critical condition after the Moscow shooting.

Authorities suspect the shooting is related to Anatov's work in the banking world and have yet to announce suspects. The crime took place last week when the unknown assailant opened fire on the banker, hitting him five times in the stomach, once in the chest, and shot one of his fingers off. Despite the brutal shooting, Anatov survived and remains in intensive care along with his bodygaurd, whose injuries were not stated. We knew the over-the-top styling on Spykers drew critics, but sheesh.

http://jalopnik.com/5173979/spyker-owner-alexander-antonov-in-critical-condition-after-moscow-shooting?skyline=true&s=i


I love me some C8

[Archangel]

C12 > C8.

Also, is the guy called Antonov or Anatov? Fucking hacks...

[Hoser]

C12 looks like a donkeys ass after a night of Mexican food.

[Hoser]

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/03/Spyker_C8_Aileron.jpg
>>>http://www.md-cars.com/uploads/content/Spyker_C12_Zagato/01.jpg

[Archangel]

Yeah, bottom one looks better.

[Hoser]

I am saddened by your comments.

[Archangel]

I have a hard on for anything Zagato.

[}{arlequin]

this movie airs tomorrow night on espn. in hi def.

http://www.truthin24.com/

[TylerDurden]

this movie airs tomorrow night on espn. in hi def.

http://www.truthin24.com/

fuck yes. and i don't have shit to do either.

[}{arlequin]

it's produced by the same people that do nfl so the footage should be excellent

[Hodge]

Have any of you guys ever switched out a front axle in a front wheel drive car?
I'm just trying to get an opinion here on my best options...the axle itself is $135 but the labour is probably 4-5 hours. I usually do good work if I take my time and I know what I am doing.

A few other things; after reading up a bit it seems like the transaxle fluid would leak out once the axle is removed. Is that true?
Any other pointers you can give me?

[Archangel]

this movie airs tomorrow night on espn. in hi def.

http://www.truthin24.com/

Somebody put up a link as soon as somebody ups it.

[TylerDurden]

OHZKiWIBXIY

anyone with competent driving abilities would have whipped the shit outta the evo. that said i've driven a few evos with basic bolt-ons and cams, and those cars aren't to be trifled with. it's very easy to drive them to the point of puckering your asshole.

[The Dude]

Have any of you guys ever switched out a front axle in a front wheel drive car?
I'm just trying to get an opinion here on my best options...the axle itself is $135 but the labour is probably 4-5 hours. I usually do good work if I take my time and I know what I am doing.

A few other things; after reading up a bit it seems like the transaxle fluid would leak out once the axle is removed. Is that true?
Any other pointers you can give me?

never switched it out myself but I have snapped one

[Hoser]

Have any of you guys ever switched out a front axle in a front wheel drive car?
I'm just trying to get an opinion here on my best options...the axle itself is $135 but the labour is probably 4-5 hours. I usually do good work if I take my time and I know what I am doing.

A few other things; after reading up a bit it seems like the transaxle fluid would leak out once the axle is removed. Is that true?
Any other pointers you can give me?

If you aren't very careful you can really fuck things up (like pushing your gears out of alignment and cracking your bell housing, worst case, but very possible if everything is not kept perfectly aligned).

Honestly, unless you have done it before or are with someone who has I would take it to a shop. not that it can't be done but it isn't like doing a break job, there is a lot to it.

[}{arlequin]

Have any of you guys ever switched out a front axle in a front wheel drive car?
I'm just trying to get an opinion here on my best options...the axle itself is $135 but the labour is probably 4-5 hours. I usually do good work if I take my time and I know what I am doing.

A few other things; after reading up a bit it seems like the transaxle fluid would leak out once the axle is removed. Is that true?
Any other pointers you can give me?
-what car?
-it could be as easy as undoing all the bolts and simply swapping or....
-not all trannys lose fluid when axles are removed. again, depends what car...
-if that's the case, you just refill the tranny w/ tranny fluid. just like adding engine oil, BUT... make sure you have successfully removed the filler plug. no use draining the fluid if you can't put it back in

[Hoser]

It won't be as easy as unbolting unless it is a pretty new car.

I have done this job many times (couple times just the drivers side to do a clutch, sometimes both to do a tranny and once for a broken shaft) and not once was it a simple unbolting job. Grime and rust made sure of that. Have a good heat source near by if the car isn't brand new.

[}{arlequin]

It won't be as easy as unbolting unless it is a pretty new car.

I have done this job many times (couple times just the drivers side to do a clutch, sometimes both to do a tranny and once for a broken shaft) and not once was it a simple unbolting job. Grime and rust made sure of that. Have a good heat source near by if the car isn't brand new.
i use this exclusively for all grime/grease/gunk buildup. get 2-3 cans just in case and a brush. any automotive store carries them

http://garrettindustrialsupply.com/store/images/crc-05089.jpg

[BIG PIZZLE]

Do any of those engine cleaners that you put in your gas-tank work? Which ones are the best? I dont want to get a full-blown tune-up and I'm hoping I can just buy something and put it in my tank.

[Hoser]

You mean like a fuel injector cleaner? Or are you talking about something like seafoam?

[Hoser]

i use this exclusively for all grime/grease/gunk buildup. get 2-3 cans just in case and a brush. any automotive store carries them

http://garrettindustrialsupply.com/store/images/crc-05089.jpg

I meant more on the rust side, but stuff like that is great for grease and grime.

[}{arlequin]

You mean like a fuel injector cleaner? Or are you talking about something like seafoam?
seafoam is for injectors as well. people SWEAR by this stuff, though i've never tried it. it won't hurt anything, i just wonder if it helps. seems a bit like snake oil for modern cars imo.

http://www.seafoamsales.com/motorTuneUpTechGas.htm

[BIG PIZZLE]

You mean like a fuel injector cleaner? Or are you talking about something like seafoam?

Preferably something I can just dump in the gas tank.

[TylerDurden]

Do any of those engine cleaners that you put in your gas-tank work? Which ones are the best? I dont want to get a full-blown tune-up and I'm hoping I can just buy something and put it in my tank.

i use lucas oil's fuel treatment.
http://www.lucasoil.com/images/products/EB6849E13BD4E06A2F051C5F4DF0F885.gif

how i roll:
- buy 3 of these badboys every spring.
- for three consecutive fuel-ups dump one directly into your fuel tank while at the pump either before or after the actual fuel-up.
- repeat the next time you fuel-up.

if you're the kinda guy that only lets his shit get down to a half tank before re-fueling i suggest running down a bit lower before a fuel up to allow this shit cycle throughout your fuel system.

honestly the results speak for themselves. you'll notice more pep, better fuel efficiency, and a smoother running motor (depending on the current condition of your whip, of course, how much you notice will vary).

EDIT: you can get this just about anywhere. fuck, even wal-mart carries it in their automotive section. and i suggest buying it there as it's only $3/per.

[Hoser]

Preferably something I can just dump in the gas tank.

Like }{ said, Seafoam can be put in your tank. As well as in your oil to clean out any build up. If it is an older car I would not be putting it in your oil as some of the sludge in your engine may actually be preventing a leak.

The Lucas that Tyler posted is a good product as well.

[}{arlequin]

997 gt3's prices are starting to drop
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/6394491-post1.html


996 gt3's are in the $50's

[TylerDurden]

997 gt3's prices are starting to drop
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/6394491-post1.html


996 gt3's are in the $50's

yah, that'd be nice. until my son is 18, i require a backseat, unfortunately.

[Hoser]

Make that 16, then tell the kid to get his own car.

Z28 CANCELED
We've reported on the shelving of the Camaro convertible, but news has emerged the high-horsepower Camaro Z28 variant has been outright killed by the Carpocalypse and GM belt-tightening.

Paul Eisenstein at The Detroit Bureau is reporting GM is shelving plans for a 570 HP Camaro Z28. The reason? It would be prohibitively expensive for GM at this time. With a program price around $50 million, the Z28 got the axe in favor of other efforts.

The bad news continues as the convertible, which was previously delayed a year, faces the collapse of the German supplier providing its convertible top. The unnamed source within GM went on to note, despite the bad news, there's still a desire by the program groups to build both of these cars; but it'll take significant engineering finagling to bring them to market for the right price.
http://jalopnik.com/5176933/camaro-z28-canceled-convertible-further-delayed?skyline=true&s=i

[TylerDurden]

Make that 16, then tell the kid to get his own car.

Z28 CANCELED

http://jalopnik.com/5176933/camaro-z28-canceled-convertible-further-delayed?skyline=true&s=i

good. i wasn't impressed anyways. srsly, gm needs to die. just let it go. the longer they struggle, the more they're going to tank before they go. i believe the last polls showed that no one outside of detroit gave a flying fuck about gm.

[Hoser]

The Camaro is still being made, just not the 570HP version.

[TylerDurden]

The Camaro is still being made, just not the 570HP version.

that's like buying a guard dog without teeth: why fucking bother? srsly, might as well go buy a six-cylinder mustang, lolol.

[Hoser]

They are the ones that make money for the companies. If it weren't for female and old aged drivers they wouldnt sell half the Mustangs and Camaros they do.

Figured I would add, the new V6 Camaro has 300HP, which isn't bad at all.

[TylerDurden]

Somebody put up a link as soon as somebody ups it.

it'll be on my television in an hour. after that, i dunno what to tell you.

[Hodge]

-what car?
-it could be as easy as undoing all the bolts and simply swapping or....
-not all trannys lose fluid when axles are removed. again, depends what car...
-if that's the case, you just refill the tranny w/ tranny fluid. just like adding engine oil, BUT... make sure you have successfully removed the filler plug. no use draining the fluid if you can't put it back in
'01 Civic, front wheel drive, manual.
It's my best guess. I can feel a little bit of play when I accelerate as well as a knocking noise when I go over bumps and accelerate.
The Haynes manual seems pretty straight forward. From reading online forums it seems like not too bad of a job except removing the ball joint is supposed to be a real bitch.
I'm just trying to get some opinions here. She's got 228000 on her so I'm kind of past spending ungodly amounts of money on it.

[Hoser]

The know would be your CV joint. Does it do it when you turn one way?? The play could be your tie-rod.

I have yet to do one on a civic, but from what I hear they are pretty easy to work on. But with that kind of mileage you may have a hell of a time getting the knuckle apart, probably rusted into place. Get some heat on it.

[Gary_Busey]

I'm watching Truth in 24. The track drive-through makes me want to get my G25 out and download the track. I found it curious that he uses MPH to describe the speeds.

[TylerDurden]

I'm watching Truth in 24. The track drive-through makes me want to get my G25 out and download the track. I found it curious that he uses MPH to describe the speeds.

that playback of the near-miss with mcnish was fucking crazy. and the fact that he didn't know it was happening, and only saw it after playback of the video... shit, made my butthole pucker just watching it.

[Gary_Busey]

LOL. As soon as they mention the radiator problem and show the steam from overheating on the Peugeot, the XBOX 360 sponsor stickers is displayed front and center.

[Hodge]

The know would be your CV joint. Does it do it when you turn one way?? The play could be your tie-rod.

I have yet to do one on a civic, but from what I hear they are pretty easy to work on. But with that kind of mileage you may have a hell of a time getting the knuckle apart, probably rusted into place. Get some heat on it.
Yeah pretty much on the ball with everything I've heard.
You probably already know this, but they sell you the whole axle rather than just the cv joint. It's not much more and beats pulling the axle apart.
The knuckle joint may have been what I read about earlier. Even with a knuckle-puller it's supposed to be a real beast to get apart.
I'm still about a month or so away from doing this unless shit falls to pieces in the meantime.

[TylerDurden]

LOL. As soon as they mention the radiator problem and show the steam from overheating on the Peugeot, the XBOX 360 sponsor stickers is displayed front and center.

LULZ, i noticed that, too. i don't know why it stuck out to me, but it did. this movie was absolutely fantastic. i know it probably wasn't, but it ALMOST sounds like jason statham narrating.

[Gary_Busey]

I thought it was him. NFL Films should do 100% more docs.

[TylerDurden]

I thought it was him. NFL Films should do 100% more docs.

i'll be fuckin' damned... it was jason statham narrating. imdb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1320302/)

[TylerDurden]

and the new tdi looks fucking BADASS.

[Hoser]

Yeah pretty much on the ball with everything I've heard.
You probably already know this, but they sell you the whole axle rather than just the cv joint. It's not much more and beats pulling the axle apart.
The knuckle joint may have been what I read about earlier. Even with a knuckle-puller it's supposed to be a real beast to get apart.
I'm still about a month or so away from doing this unless shit falls to pieces in the meantime.

Depending on how bad it is you can regrease it and get a new boot (the boot is probably ripped which let dirt in which caused the problem). If it is only slight I would try that and save yourself a bit of coin.

If it does break you will be stuck. I had one break on me one time and I needed a tow/

[Hoser]

Long read, but the last line sums it up well and is what GM needs right now, even if it isn't wheat the gear heads want.

2010 Chevy Camaro: First Drive
By Wes Siler, 6:00 PM on Fri Mar 20 2009, 25,052 views
After countless spy shots, speculation, Transformers tie-ins, leaked photos and numbers comparisons, we've finally driven the 2010 Chevy Camaro. Does the reality match the hype? Well, it's like Star Wars.

2010 Chevy Camaro

Asked on May 18, 1999 what my favorite movie was I, like many of my contemporaries, would have had an easy answer: Star Wars. Just one day later, with the release of Phantom Menace, that answer would change forever. It didn't make sense. Episode I, compared quantitatively to its predecessors and, according the huge amount of buzz surrounding it, must have been a much better movie. It had a bigger budget, benefited from modern technology, had really neat imaginary creatures and action-packed space battles. So what changed? Well, the environment in which the space fairy tale existed had, in 22 years, become much more sophisticated. Audiences wanted to experience something new in the same way the original film had been unprecedented for its time. Instead, George Lucas contented himself with producing a fancy new version of the same old schlock. That, and Anakin was really irritating.

With the $22,995 V6-equipped 2010 Chevy Camaro LS producing 304 HP, nearly as much as the V8-engined 2010 Ford Mustang GT, and the 426 HP 2010 Chevy Camaro SS starting at just $30,995, initial impressions of GM's new muscle car are extremely good. It's faster than its competitors and benefits from more svelte looks than the Dodge Challenger and less familiar styling than the 2010 Mustang. It's even more fuel efficient, with the V6 returning an impressive 17 city, 29 highway MPG-rating, while the V8 returns 16/25 MPG when equipped with the slightly higher-geared automatic transmission.

But this Camaro's also supposed to be about more than just numbers (click here for our 2010 Chevy Camaro Numbers Comparison) for one very important reason: it's based on the 2009 Pontiac G8 GXP. When we drove that car last November, we couldn't believe that a $40,000 Pontiac was like the new E39 M5, only better. That impression was the result of a driving experience that wasn't so much about the 415 HP Corvette-derived LS3 V8 as it was the car's subtle ability to read your mind, then react to what you wanted faster than we thought possible from a big sedan. In short, the G8 GXP is a handler before it's a muscle car and that's saying something for a vehicle that can hit 60 MPH in 4.7 seconds.

The opposite is true of this new Camaro. Based on an updated version of the G8's Zeta platform (here called Zeta II), the Camaro gets a 2.5" shorter wheelbase thanks to bringing the front wheels forward 6", then moving the A-pillar rearwards 3.5" to create a longer hood and new front suspension chosen to make that hood lower. Unlike the class-defining Mustang, suspension is also independent all the way around. The V6 starts with GM's FE2 coil-over suspension package, before moving up to standard FE3 on the V8-equipped SS. Wheels start out at a smaller-than-GXP 18x7.5" on the base LS, before moving up to a standard and massive 20x8" front, 20x9" rear on the SS. The G8 GXP's are 19x8". Most of the SS's standard equipment is available optionally on the V6 models, while the RS-package essentially looks like an optioned-up SS, but with a V6 under the hood.

Somehow, all those changes translate into an experience that's no less capable — in fact the Camaro SS is 11-seconds faster around the famed Nurburgring than the G8 GXP — but a lot less involving. Where the G8 GXP is all about including you in the driving, requiring and enabling you to aggressively wring the most out of its chassis, the Camaro SS doesn't seek to make the driver a crucial part of its equation. It makes the classic American muscle car mistake of confusing grip — of which it has plenty — with handling. Throw the two cars into a second or third gear (oh how we love big V8s) 90-degree bend and the Pontiac will encourage you to explore the limits of the rear tires adhesion using your right foot and communicative steering, the Chevy will push its vague front robbing you of speed. Sure, you can get on the throttle half way around and step the rear out, but not with the same degree of control the Pontiac delivers. The Camaro does bring one huge improvement over its platform-mate: there's virtually no body roll under any circumstances.

Well that and the incredibly successful styling. Chevy knows it looks good too, displaying a level of self-assuredness that would be absurd in any other segment. Here's a great example. Our co-driver asked a GM engineer whether the new Camaro increases "length or girth?" His straight-faced response? "It increases opportunity." Cocky, right? But they're right. Where the G8 looks like a rental car, the ZR1 looks like a bass boat enthusiast won the lottery and the CTS-V, even with its classy chrome mesh grille, looks like a tuner conversion, the Camaro strikes exactly the right balance between the mass appeal of its aggression and a more sophisticated retro futurism that successfully references the original while adapting new wholly new forms that are completely contemporary. Even though we've been staring at pictures of it for what seems like years, in person it's still surprising how good it looks.

If you've been following Jalopnik or even had a conversation with me at any point since last August, you're probably bored to death with hearing about how good GM's latest crop of performance cars are. The 2009 Corvette ZR1 is the best car I've ever driven, the 556 HP Cadillac CTS-V is an utterly awesome performance sedan and you've already been reading about the G8 GXP. So it comes as a surprise that Chevy's flag-waving everyman muscle car doesn't live up to those driving standards. Sure its stinking fast, but it doesn't make exploiting that performance rewarding in the way all the above did so well. It doesn't so much defy convention, as drive like you'd expect a Camaro would, a really good Camaro.

The other defining characteristic of the Camaro's driving experience is the interior. Hop in one and like a classic Camaro, the first impression is of claustrophobia. It feels like Chevy's designers have purposefully set out to make the interior, which is actually surprisingly large with adequate space for four adults, feel surprisingly small. Most of that comes from the slit-like windshield; its top sits at about the height of your forehead, something that will be familiar to Lotus Exige owners. Out through that narrow strip of glass, the hood bulge and fenders are prominently visible, accentuating the power under the hood. Unlike the Exige, there's almost 8.5" of vertical seat movement to accommodate a wide range of drivers. All of them will end up with their head in the exact same place: about a half inch from the ceiling as that's the only position that affords adequate forward visibility. Strangely, the wheel and instruments sit very high, never affording the wheel-in-lap arrangement that I prefer, even with the seat all the way up and the wheel all the way down.

2010 Chevy Camaro Interior

That interior is also going to be a bugbear for the Camaro. While the overall shapes are appealing, the materials are mostly cheap plastic, even on the big knobs that you use to adjust the HVAC and stereo (Nav isn't an option). A huge swath of that cheap plastic runs from the steering wheel all the way to the right door. The standard-on-SS auxiliary gauges, mounted down low in front of the gear lever, are largely worthless on the move due to their positioning, but look really cool, providing a false sense of driver/machine integration that just isn't born out in the driving experience. Believe it or not, the 2010 Mustang with a few options is actually a nicer place to spend time.

On initial impressions and despite a spec sheet that strongly claims otherwise, I'd tip the hat in the Mustang's favor when it comes to driving enjoyment too. To create it, Ford engineers essentially took the old model and made it as good as they possibly could. The result is, for the first time, a Mustang that's as much about going around corners as it is about acceleration, which is good, because the Camaro SS leaves it for dead in a straight line. Despite the Mustang's live rear axle, which never really manifests any limitations on the road, the 'Stang is ligher on its feet than the Camaro and has considerably more steering feel. The Camaro's is dead on center, never really manages a huge amount of feel in general and is overly light. it's so light, that it's possible that the engineers that drove it around the Nurburgring did so one-handed.

The much-touted performance of the V6-equipped Camaro doesn't live up to its Mustang GT-killing hype. While GM has gone to great lengths to make it as visceral as possible — the crisp exhaust note sounds almost as good as a 370Z — its flat torque curve leads to a somewhat uneventful feeling of acceleration, especially out of faster corners where the Camaro's prodigious 3,780 Lb curb weight leaves you with foot flat on the floor, wanting for more. Nor does the V6 manifest a handling advantage over the V8, even when equipped with all the RS options. Its steering still lacks feel and it becomes harder to push the car around corners using the throttle.

GM's Hydra-Matic SL50 6L50 6-speed automatic gearbox does however do an excellent job of keeping the V6 on the boil, particularly in "sport" mode. Its one of the quickest-to-shift slushboxes we've experienced and never seems to find itself in the wrong gear. In fact its so good that it renders the steering wheel-mounted shift buttons largely irrelevant. The 6L50 is clearly better than any of the Camaro's domestic rivals.

Look at the value-for-money and the performance numbers of the Camaro combined with its Dragon-tastic looks and you can't help but feel GM has a winner on its hands. It'll beat its competitors hands down, not only in a numbers-based pissing contest, but also in the public's imaginations: an advantage presented by its futuristic-yet-retro styling. It's exactly the car GM should be making, a car that will sell; it's just not the unprecedented new experience that we were hoping for, it's not a real driver's car. With the Camaro, GM has chosen to stick with the muscle car archetype rather than push the limits of what's possible, it's not likely to win many conquests from more adept sportscars like the 370Z, Audi TT and BMW 3-series as Chevy hopes it will. The result, like the new Star Wars films, is a product that will undoubtedly be a commercial success, just perhaps not a timeless classic like the original, a product that will blend in with, rather than stand out from, its rivals.http://jalopnik.com/5176993/2010-chevy-camaro-first-drive?skyline=true&s=i

[Archangel]

$23k?

Shit, you get a 80hp VW Golf here for that money...

[Archangel]

Yeah, I just checked, grey imports here start at around $40,000.

[Gary_Busey]

Grey imports?

[Archangel]

Grey imports?

Foreign cars which are not officially sold here by their manufacturers, but imported by dealers or private citizens and sold with transport and homologation/localisation costs included in the price.

[Gary_Busey]

Oh. So it'd cost 40K for a Camaro? That sucks. That kind of ruins the whole muscle car appeal, aka, cheap horsepower.

[Archangel]

Oh. So it'd cost 40K for a Camaro? That sucks. That kind of ruins the whole muscle car appeal, aka, cheap horsepower.

Yeah, you also have to factor in customs fees and VAT (which, in Germany, is the real kicker at 19%); this is why even brilliant cars like the C6 Corvette never sell here - they go for $110k instead of $60k.

It doesn't help that for $40k, you can get a 3 year old M3 or Boxster.

[Archangel]

Shit, if my old man were still in the diplomatic service, he could have one of those things shipped over at the taxpayers' expense and with no fees or taxes - I need to ask him if he still has close colleagues in the US, although I doubt it.

[Gary_Busey]

That sucks, not that I could afford any of that right now anyways.

[Archangel]

Meh, as I have already mentioned, one of my mates bought a '93 BMW 750i in great condition for like €3,500 (a bit under $5,000 or so), and that car is fucking brilliant - that V12 is one of the all time great engines (hell, it was the basis for the McLaren F1's double barrelled shotgun).

Fuel costs are another matter, though.

[Gary_Busey]

The first car I buy will definitely be used. You can find some crazy good deals around here.

[Archangel]

And anyway, 300hp, 330lb ft, 155mph, 0-62 in 7.2s in a big-ass luxury car are nothing to sneer at even today.

[Gary_Busey]

Definitely. I could find a '95 7 series for under 5k. I'll probably go for something newer and more practical, that's if I even find a job in this economy.

[TylerDurden]

Definitely. I could find a '95 7 series for under 5k. I'll probably go for something newer and more practical, that's if I even find a job in this economy.

if you're going to buy a bmw i highly suggest hitting up bimmerforums.com (which i think is down for maintenance at the moment) and its classifieds section. in fact, bimmerforums is an amazing resource for after you buy that car also. what you're essentially doing is buying a car from an enthusiast rather than some private individual looking to offload some mistreated car. most of those cars will also have their maintenance already complete.

[Archangel]

The first car I buy will definitely be used. You can find some crazy good deals around here.

Oh, absolutely. Once I finally get tired of public transport (soon), I'll go for something big, sturdy, German and old. They cost less than a rancid 7 year old VW or Toyota, have all the amenities you need, and most importantly, are built to fucking last.

I'm thinking '96 W210 Benz E320 - the one with the beautiful straight six - or a 530i, even though the E38 BMW 7-Series is a stunning fucking car, especially the post-'96 740i.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/BMW_750il.jpg

And yes, I know that that pic shows a 750il.

They're gonna have run 100,000 miles, but those powerplants were built to do quadruple that. The main issue will be the suspension, I should think.

[TylerDurden]

Oh, absolutely. Once I finally get tired of public transport (soon), I'll go for something big, sturdy, German and old. They cost less than a rancid 7 year old VW or Toyota, have all the amenities you need, and most importantly, are built to fucking last.

I'm thinking '96 W210 Benz E320 - the one with the beautiful straight six - or a 530i, even though the E38 BMW 7-Series is a stunning fucking car, especially the post-'96 740i.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/BMW_750il.jpg

And yes, I know that that pic shows a 750il.

They're gonna have run 100,000 miles, but those powerplants were built to do quadruple that. The main issue will be the suspension, I should think.

buy the car and then take a look around bimmerforums group buy section. bmw-specific vendors offering a ridiculous amount off of certain parts. so you can essentially pick up a $4k suspension kit (coilovers with 7-way adjustment, top of the line swaybars, etc.) for $2k with free shipping and three-day delivery.

i've put more than $12k into my car, which might sound like a lot unless you consider everything that's been done to it.

[Archangel]

My friend and I will never agree: To me, the E38 is the most beautiful four door BMW ever made, while he swears by the E32.

http://bmwe32.masscom.net/maxf_website/blob_pas.jpg

But since I take the train, and he drives an E32 750i, his arguments may have a little more weight.

[Archangel]

Although, I would definitely think about doing some seriously illegal shit to get my hands on an M 635 CSi.

And I'm a bloody Merc fanboy.

[TylerDurden]

My friend and I will never agree: To me, the E38 is the most beautiful four door BMW ever made, while he swears by the E32.

http://bmwe32.masscom.net/maxf_website/blob_pas.jpg

But since I take the train, and he drives an E32 750i, his arguments may have a little more weight.

the e32/e30-era is really starting to grow on me as they slowly slip into being classics. it's possible to grab an '84 e30 and restore then tune it to legendary standards... and those generation's parts are at their lowest right now. i'm seriously considering purchasing an e30 and going to town on it as a new project (and i'm not even done with my current project).

[TylerDurden]

for elemenop (http://www.kbb.com/kbb/ReviewsAndRatings/BestResaleValueAwards.aspx?SelectedTabIndex=3)

[ElemenoP]

I want it in black. :)

[TylerDurden]

I want it in black. :)

i want it turbocharged.

[ElemenoP]

I want to learn how to drive standard. The next car I buy will most definitely be in standard.

[ElemenoP]

And what does "turbocharged" mean. Is it like putting NOS or whatever in your car like in the movies?

[TylerDurden]

I want to learn how to drive standard. The next car I buy will most definitely be in standard.

i won't own a vehicle that's not a manual. automatics detract from the driving experience, and tend to make drivers lazy.

And what does "turbocharged" mean. Is it like putting NOS or whatever in your car like in the movies?

turbocharging a vehicle is the act of reclaiming exhaust gases to push an impeller blade to generate cold, dense air for use during air intake.

engines work off of the basic principle of combustion, meaning that it only requires air, spark, and fuel in the appropriate mixtures. cool, dense air is much better for combustion. you'll get a bigger explosion. bigger explosion means more power. so it's possible to make a powerful engine even stronger by bolting on a turbocharger to slam dense, cold air into the motor for use during combustion. that's the very basics, but it should give you a decent understanding.

compared to other power-adders (superchargers, nitrous, etc.) it's relatively safe, more fuel efficient, and cheaper.

furthermore, the fuel efficiency for a turbocharged vehicle making 400 horsepower is remarkably better than a non-turbocharged vehicle making 400 horsepower, since you're simply making the engine work more efficiently.

[Hoser]

And what does "turbocharged" mean. Is it like putting NOS or whatever in your car like in the movies?

http://www.eborg3.com/Graphics/Bible/66-Revelation/Rev21/an-guy_shaking_head_no_lg_blk.gif

[Archangel]

i want it turbocharged.

And you call yourself a BMW man? Naturally aspirated straight six, biatch!

[TylerDurden]

And you call yourself a BMW man? Naturally aspirated straight six, biatch!

you must have forgot who owns mini, sir.

and yeah, i have a naturally-aspirated straight six currently. trust me, i'm in no mood to change. but if i had to have a mini, it'd be the s variant.

[Archangel]

you must have forgot who owns mini, sir.


Mercedes own Freightliner, but you don't see me singing the praises of Detroit Diesel aggregates...

[TylerDurden]

Mercedes own Freightliner

right. but bmw owns mini, rolls royce, etc. not a fuckin' one of them is anything less than fantastic.

[Archangel]

Ahem. Think back a few years.

http://www.mg-rover.org/roadtests/020715_R45/R45.jpg


Also, way too many chicks and yuppies driving Minis for me to even consider one. If I had to pick a car in that class, I'd go with a 500 Abarth.

[BIG PIZZLE]

I've been debating whether or not to get standard.

[Archangel]

i won't own a vehicle that's not a manual. automatics detract from the driving experience, and tend to make drivers lazy.

I dunno, I think I could live pretty well with an AMG 63...

[Hoser]

Do you drive in a lot of traffic?? If so I would go auto, depending on the car of course.

[TylerDurden]

I've been debating whether or not to get standard.

no debate necessary. manuals have more perks than driving experience. they give you more control not only over the car, but the actual fuel efficiency.

I dunno, I think I could live pretty well with an AMG 63...

saw it at the chicago autoshow. honestly, i wanted to jizz all the fuck over that carbon fiber-laced interior.

Do you drive in a lot of traffic?? If so I would go auto, depending on the car of course.

i've yet to find an auto that allows me to zip around traffic as well as any manual.

[Hoser]

I mean stop and go. If you drove the 401 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_401_(Ontario)), DVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Valley_Parkway) or parts of the QEW (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth_Way) during rush hour you would understand what I mean. in most cases I would say manual, but if he has a drive like that on a daily basis auto is almost a must. Clutch in and out every 5 seconds to move 20 feet at 5-10 MPH in stop and go is not what a manual should be used for.

I agree, I like manual more, they are more fun and for anything but a brand new car with some sort of DSG, SMG or anything like those then manual will also be faster. New auto do have the advantage in a straight line as well. It isn't like he is going to be hitting a track.

[Hodge]

I've been debating whether or not to drive like a man.
*fixed

[}{arlequin]

re: mini... i believe they're supercharged not turbo'd


Somebody put up a link as soon as somebody ups it.
might give this a try: http://jalopnik.com/5181837/truth-in-24-now-available-on-itunes-for-free

[TylerDurden]

re: mini... i believe they're supercharged not turbo'd

false. the first-gen mini (2001-2006) was supercharged in the s-variant. the latest (from 2007-present) is turbocharged.

might give this a try: http://jalopnik.com/5181837/truth-in-24-now-available-on-itunes-for-free

badass movie. srsly. get it. naow.

[fuldstændigamok]

Pfff, audi sucks.

[TylerDurden]

Pfff, audi sucks so much that they've won le mans 7 of the last 9 entries.

wow, they fucking blow.

[}{arlequin]

Pfff, audi sucks.

[Hoser]

Audi > Most others

[TylerDurden]

bmw > ferrari > mercedes > audi > all others

[Rumpleforeskin]

I saw a Maserati Quattroporte at Lowes today. Nice car. Actually TOO nice to be parked in a Lowes parking lot next to painter vans and beatup trucks full of mexicans.

[Hoser]

Truth in 24 is only on American iTunes, can someone upload it somewhere for me.

[TylerDurden]

Truth in 24 is only on American iTunes, can someone upload it somewhere for me.

request it in fsf. i'm sure someone will get you sorted out.

[IdiotBrain]

a buddy of mine bought his wife an m5 recently...

Thing is godly.

[}{arlequin]

m5 of any generation = win

[Limp]

a buddy of mine bought his wife an m5 recently...

Thing is godly.
The first time her cheats, he will die from his own gift.

[IdiotBrain]

Indeed.

He almost got in a wreck in the thing the 3rd day he had it.

Some dumbass in a Neon with a big muffler was revving his engine in the next lane, he hit the "M" button, downshifted to 3rd and stomped it. He was doing about 125 and glanced behind him to see how far behind him the neon was and almost rear ended a car in front of him only doing about 60. Thank god the thing handles like it does.

[TylerDurden]

m5 of any generation = win

quoted for the fucking truth. dunno why anyone would buy their wife that. it's a highway cruiser with more than 500hp. unless he's married to danica fucking patrick i suspect that car is months away from bmw heaven. :(

[IdiotBrain]

Well she drove her IS300 for quite some time with no incidents.

I think he bought it for her because she won't drive it 140+ mph like he does every time he's in it. Therefore when he wants to drive it, she can drive one of his other vehicles [08 corvette, 09 escalade] and it won't be torn to fuck like it would be if it was his daily driver.

[IdiotBrain]

Oh, he mentioned to me today that she doesn't like it. It scares her. She wants another Range Rover. So it will be garaged soon and just brought out when he feels like getting speeding tickets.

[TylerDurden]

Well she drove her IS300 for quite some time with no incidents.

I think he bought it for her because she won't drive it 140+ mph like he does every time he's in it. Therefore when he wants to drive it, she can drive one of his other vehicles [08 corvette, 09 escalade] and it won't be torn to fuck like it would be if it was his daily driver.

most of those cars are performance vehicles. how do you "tear it to fuck" unless you simply don't take care of it?

[IdiotBrain]

You haven't seen South Texas roads, apparently. We have potholes that you could fit a Celica in... with room to spare.

[TylerDurden]

You haven't seen South Texas roads, apparently. We have potholes that you could fit a Celica in... with room to spare.

jesus, and i thought post-winter illinois roads were bad.

[Hoser]

Well she drove her IS300 for quite some time with no incidents.

I think he bought it for her because she won't drive it 140+ mph like he does every time he's in it. Therefore when he wants to drive it, she can drive one of his other vehicles [08 corvette, 09 escalade] and it won't be torn to fuck like it would be if it was his daily driver.

An IS300 is no where even close to an M5.

[IdiotBrain]

An IS300 is no where even close to an M5.



Yes, I know. I drove her IS300 a few times, and it was fun... in that "your wife has a cool car" kinda way.


The m5 is a fucking beast, straight up.

But she's scared to take it over 70, so it's just a nicer IS300 to her right now.

[Hoser]

What the fuck is wrong with people...

UcryycH1mS8

[Gary_Busey]

They're tuning their cars and then competing to see who got the most HP out of them?

[Archangel]

Yeah, but if I want my car to get an extra 400hp, I wouldn't go to some ghetto folk, but to German engineers at places like TechArt, Ruf, Koenig or Brabus...

But that's just me.

[Hoser]

It's isn't the cars and the dyno (even though it is pretty dumb in this case) that bug me, it is the people themselves. Seriously, what are they thinking.

[Archangel]

How are they any worse than other ghetto folk?

[TylerDurden]

It's isn't the cars and the dyno (even though it is pretty dumb in this case) that bug me, it is the people themselves. Seriously, what are they thinking.

it's really no worse than drag racers, but on the pyramid of speed (http://www.nsxfiles.com/Pyramid_of_speed.htm) would be at the bottom.

[Hoser]

How are they any worse than other ghetto folk?

I didn't say they are any worse then other ghetto folk.

[}{arlequin]

attempted road sabotage

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/16/AR2009031602863_pf.html

[Trident]

It's all a smear campaign.

[TylerDurden]

It's all a smear campaign.

srsly, the guy's losing his grip

[Trident]

He's on a slippery slope to prison.

[TylerDurden]

shouldn't have slipped up and got caught

[Trident]

He'll need to grease a few palms to get out of this.

[TylerDurden]

aaaand i'm spent.

[}{arlequin]

wow... i've never even heard of these guys until now

Faralli & Mazzanti Vulca S (http://www.femauto.it/)


http://www.yoimg.com/i/39144792-_DSC4199.jpg (http://www.yoimg.com/h/39144792-_DSC4199.jpg.html)

[TylerDurden]

lookin' kinda sexy.

[Hoser]

WOW, now that I know this everything will be easier. Why couldn't they have told this to us along time ago. We have all been left in the dark. This will change the world.

STUDY: Women More Attracted To Men In Expensive Cars
By Ray Wert, 10:30 AM on Thu Mar 26 2009, 4,602 views
A UK university's released a study proving what any car salesman's ever told us, women judge men primarily by wealth and status, digging guys in expensive cars more than those driving an econobox.

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/03/Bentley-Woman-601.jpg

The survey, run by researchers at the University of Wales Institute in Cardiff, claims it shows women rate a man higher if he is behind the wheels of a "fancy motor rather than in an old banger." The University team showed women pictures of the same man sitting in two cars — a $100,000 silver Bentley Continental and a battered Ford Fiesta.

The women, aged between 21 to 40, picked the man sitting in the Bentley ahead of the same man in the Ford.

The researchers say findings confirmed women judge a man by his wealth and status, but men tested in the same way are not impressed by whatever car a woman drives. But guys, don't go running off to throw a copy of this study into your significant others' face as the same researchers also determined men judge their choice purely on a woman's face and figure.

Dr Michael Dunn, who worked on the study, claims: "Females focus on questions of wealth and status because if the male possesses those, that male would be in a better condition to rear healthy offspring."

So in other words, do middle-aged men in expensive cars seem more attractive to women despite their grey hair and expanding waistline? Dr Dunn admits yes, but also that his research could be interpreted as evidence that women are shallower than men. He claims: "Let's face it - there's evidence to support it." We always knew it.
http://jalopnik.com/5185281/study-women-more-attracted-to-men-in-expensive-cars

[Hoser]

HAHAHAHAHA

iAWdMbNqR1g

[Gary_Busey]

Haha, he didn't look too pleased.

I see a Jaguar XF on my way to work nearly every day and the more I see it, the more I like it.

[Hanover Fist]

Woohoo California is considering banning black colored cars in the name of combating global warming. How could Europe not have thought of this first? It seems so obvious.

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/california-may-ban-black-cars/

California May Ban Black Cars

The California legislature is considering regulating the color of cars and reflectivity of paint to reduce the energy requirements to cool them. A presentation on the proposed legislation by the California Air Resources Board is below.

The problem isn’t the color per se, but the reflectivity of the paint overall. And dark colors just don’t reflect well, so they are likely out. “Jet black remains an issue,” says the report.

The new regulations would be phased in beginning in 2012, so if you want that black car, you better buy it soon. More on Autoblog and CrunchGear.

And you thought that black Toyota Pious you bought made you such a good person. Think again, you tree hating energy slob. Luckily, black websites are still ok, even though they, too, use more energy.


The link to the gov website:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/cc/cool-paints/cool-paints.htm

[Trident]

California is racist ~ taters

[Trident]

Whilst this may sound European, it makes sense to find ways to reduce the demand on a/c. However, rather than banning jet black, education on the benefits of more reflective colours would make sense to me, not to mention the adoption of some other regulations proposed.

There is nothing wrong with considering all the options now.

[Hoser]

Mythbusters did this one. It was something like 9 degrees difference at the hottest. I have an idea, open your windows, problem solved.


Seriously, this is one stupid idea.

[Trident]

They'd be better off designing 'porous' roofs, that would allow trapped heat to escape whilst the owners were away from their car (obviously not letting rain in).

[Hoser]

They'd be better off designing 'porous' roofs, that would allow trapped heat to escape whilst the owners were away from their car (obviously not letting rain in).

Better yet, have what K-9 units have, when the temp reaches a certain point the windows roll down a little to let heat out.

[Osiris]

Nissan GT-R is sick.

[Hoser]

Nissan GT-R is sick.

Thanks for the wonderful insight tips.

[Archangel]

WOW, now that I know this everything will be easier. Why couldn't they have told this to us along time ago. We have all been left in the dark. This will change the world.


http://jalopnik.com/5185281/study-women-more-attracted-to-men-in-expensive-cars

Yeah, and here was me, thinking that all those people in America buying $250k, 200mph sports cars on 55mph roads did so because they liked the colour...

People spent fucking MONEY on this "study"?

I see a Jaguar XF on my way to work nearly every day and the more I see it, the more I like it.

Best looking rear on any four door car in the world, at least until the Aston Rapide comes out.

That may have someting to do with the fact that it basically IS the rear end of an Aston Vantage, but still.

[Archangel]

Wait, I just noticed this.

The University team showed women pictures of the same man sitting in two cars — a $100,000 silver Bentley Continental and a battered Ford Fiesta.


Did Bentley slash their prices when I wasn't looking? Because last I checked, the Conti GT was at least $180k...

[Pax Britannia]

I'd make some comment about women being money grabbing whores but I got plenty of ass when I had my old 1996 Ford Fiesta Classic.

But I suppose when your a teenager any car seems impressive to the ladies.

[Archangel]

I'd make some comment about women being money grabbing whores but I got plenty of ass when I had my old 1996 Ford Fiesta Classic.

But I suppose when your a teenager any car seems impressive to the ladies.

!5 year olds to whom any bloke with a licence is a god, I presume?

[Trident]

Nissan GT-R is sick.

I hope it gets better soon.

[Pax Britannia]

!5 year olds to whom any bloke with a licence is a god, I presume?

Add an extra year for safety.

[Trident]

Add an extra year for safety.

Subtract a year for danger.

[TylerDurden]

Subtract a year for danger.

Subtract five for fun.

[Hoser]

Skip to 7:30

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Some SLS AMG testing for everyone

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[Hoser]

If you want to read about the G37 convertible click here (http://jalopnik.com/5186259/2009-infiniti-g37-convertible-first-drive).

I just liked this line in the article.

Rounding a corner quickly somewhere in the part of Malibu that looks like Kentucky, there's suddenly a fat chick in a sweaty halter-top waddling down the middle of the road. A screeching halt and, out of nowhere, there's cops. Waving at us. They seem to want us to pass tubby. Not wanting to interrupt this interesting flow of events we do what they want and proceed down the road, considerably slower than before.

[Archangel]

Is it just me, or does the usually brilliant A5 look terminally boring as a convertible?

[}{arlequin]

gatso vandalism pleases me
http://www.speedcam.co.uk/gatso2.htm


bmw art cars displayed in nyc
http://grandcentralterminal.com/go/mallEvents.cfm?eventID=2145360714

[Hoser]

Proof that fast cars cause accidents

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[TylerDurden]

why did the light go out when the truck hit the car?

[Hanover Fist]

Gm is set to announce some pretty intense programs today to kick start car sales. The press conference is on right now, but the official announcement will be during the Final 4.
2 major announcements are the equity assurity program, which basically means that if after half of your payments have been made if you owe more on the car than the car is worth, they will pay you that amount.
The other one is the buyer protection program which is similar to the one Hyundai announced if you lose your job while owing on a GM vehicle. If you are eligible for unemployment at any time during your contract GM will make up to 9 payments for you on that vehicle.
He also stated that these programs will be in addition to any 0% financing or cash back programs and their 5 year/100k mile programs.

The spokesman stated that the Obama administration had been informed of the program and had 'enthusiastically' signed off on it.

[TylerDurden]

yeah, they fired their ceo. goodbye, rick wagoner. that happened days ago, though.

[Hanover Fist]

yeah, they fired their ceo. goodbye, rick wagoner. that happened days ago, though.

Well that doesn't really have anything to do with my post. However this press conference is being held by the new CEO Fritz.

It also sounds that no matter which way GM goes, the government will foot the bill. Either they will get more bailout money to continue until solvent or they will go bankrupt and be DIP financed by the government in the form of billions of dollars.

[TylerDurden]

also, gm's plan involves 12 months of payments if you lose your job. they've one-upped hyundai.

[Hanover Fist]

also, gm's plan involves 12 months of payments if you lose your job. they've one-upped hyundai.

He said there was a max of 9 payments and $4500 on the plan tho.

[TylerDurden]

i stand corrected. it was ford (http://jalopnik.com/5191932/ford-advantage-plan-to-kick-hyundais-guarantee-in-the-assurance?skyline=true&s=x) who announced the twelve payments. ford is quickly gaining points with me. i'll never buy one, but i'd rather give them some of my tax money than the alternatives.

[Hanover Fist]

I would really like to see the automakers go back to the old days where you could get a certain option without having to buy an entire package. Ford has been the best of the big 3 in this regard. You can still get a V8 Ford stripped down relatively cheap. Whenever you try and buy any of the cars from the automakers to get the V8 you need to buy the whole "performance" packages. Or add standard options that are not even needed and just jack the price of the car way up. So a $500 motor upgrade ends up adding $4,000 to the cost of the vehicle. Fuck that. It's one of the major reasons that a lot of these cool new retro cars end up failing. They end up being way too expensive and have options that people who are really into them find unnecessary.

The new Challenger has fucking heated floormats? WTF is that, who the hell needs that shit.
If they knocked the price of a Challenger down several thousand and removed a bunch of the horseshit they put on it a lot more people might consider buying one.

[BIG PIZZLE]

Does anyone want to buy a lime green lotus exige for $15k?

[TylerDurden]

heated floormats? it's illegal to drive without shoes to begin with.

[TylerDurden]

Does anyone want to buy a lime green lotus exige for $15k?

lolz. what's wrong with it (aside from the fact that it's lime green)?

[BIG PIZZLE]

lolz. what's wrong with it (aside from the fact that it's lime green)?

I think it has salvaged title, but that can be fixed.

[Hanover Fist]

heated floormats? it's illegal to drive without shoes to begin with.

They call them "luxury" floor mats on the option, but I believe they are like this:

http://www.floormat.com/heated-mats/heated-car-mat.html


Seriously I looked at the 2 Challengers for sale at the local dealership. One is listed at $37.5k and the other is $38.8k.
http://www.oharachryslerdodgejeep.com/new-inventory/vehicle-details.htm?vehicleId=4a5e83ae7f0000010197d20c55c8 0ff8
I then looked at the options on them and had to laugh. I could do without 90% of them and still enjoy the car, for probably 12k less than listed.
It reminds me of William Maceys character in Fargo trying to sell people all the stupid options on their cars. BUY THE UNDERCOAT!!!

[Hoser]

heated floormats? it's illegal to drive without shoes to begin with.

They would be nice here in the winter. I get some nice snow and ice build up sometimes, even with kicking off my shoes and such it still happens. Plus it might dry faster as well.

[Hoser]

This guy is a genius

http://jalopnik.com/5195741/drunk-driver-parks-ferrari-on-tracks-calls-911-watches-it-explode

I don't even know what to say about this one.

[Hoser]

BMW X6 M

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/04/BMW-X6-M.jpg

I don't think they could make the bumper any uglier


More pictures (http://jalopnik.com/5197691/bmw-x6-m-first-photos)

[Archangel]

*vomits*

[Hanover Fist]

Not sure how many have seen this before but it's Ken Block (a friend of Travis Pastrana and the founder of DC shoes) doing Gymkhana and a bunch of other crazy shit in a WRX.
They are some pretty kick ass videos.

http://video.kenblockracing.com/flash/player/

[Gary_Busey]

That's pretty bad ass.

[BIG PIZZLE]

So I bought some sea foam and put it in my car. I almonst bought the wrong kind and it's good I asked the dude at the counter or I would have filled my gas tank with tranny cleaner. SO I fill my car which was a pain in the ass because there's a little valve on my gas intake in I had to push down with a pen. Anyways, I had about a quarter tank and I put that shit in and filled up my tank. No smoke. When this tank goes down, I think I'm gonna do it again.

[Hanover Fist]

Holy shit.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d8c_1238839817

[Hoser]

Thank God for roll cages.

[tsdhack]

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e271/tsdhack/low.jpg

[Hoser]

Thanks for your input...

[}{arlequin]

Thank God for quality welding.
*fixed

[Archangel]

Thanks for your input...

Odds on this retard being a redneck?

[Hoser]

Based on the truck he posted I would go with Mexican.

[IdiotBrain]

Someone stole the springs outta that truck!

I'd like to see it go over railroad tracks, even after the air ride kicks in when you start it up.

[IdiotBrain]

Here, I'll post something on the same level as that tard:

http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/01/Monster%20Corvette.jpg

[Gary_Busey]

Someone stole the springs outta that truck!

I'd like to see it go over railroad tracks, even after the air ride kicks in when you start it up.
It's probably on air bags.

[BIG PIZZLE]

Someone stole the springs outta that truck!

I'd like to see it go over railroad tracks, even after the air ride kicks in when you start it up.

I think you can raise it.

[IdiotBrain]

Originally Posted by IdiotBrain
Someone stole the springs outta that truck!

I'd like to see it go over railroad tracks, even after the air ride kicks in when you start it up.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by IdiotBrain
Someone stole the springs outta that truck!

I'd like to see it go over railroad tracks, even after the air ride kicks in when you start it up.

You suck at that whole "posting" thing.

[Gary_Busey]

I don't like big wheels like that. I'm more a fan of the smaller wheels with some white walls.

http://static.flickr.com/150/430738322_807bc0a2bd.jpg

[BIG PIZZLE]

Flat black is really hot on cars over here. Where I was eating last night, I saw a guy pull up in a flat black lambo and his buddies followed in a flat black phantom. I think it's fucking sick on cars. Plus, I must have seen 20 bentlies last night.

http://ilovesubstance.com/images/cars/flat_black/599-GTB-Fiorano-Ferrari_1.jpg
http://ilovesubstance.com/images/cars/flat_black/599-GTB-Fiorano-Ferrari_2.jpg
http://ilovesubstance.com/images/cars/flat_black/flat_black-m5.jpg

[Hanover Fist]

Yeah but those cars absorb too much sunlight and make people use the air conditioners too much which causes global warming and kills the polar bears.

[Hoser]

Those are nice,

also

http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?t=479&highlight=flat+black&page=18

[Archangel]

Mercedes look poised to turn the corner building cars like this (http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/03042009/60/mercedes-benz-e-250-cdi-blueefficiency-0.html). 200+bhp, 370lb ft of torque, 150mph, 0-62 in under 8 seconds - with 53.3mpg and less than 140g/km of CO2. In a big saloon car.

As I keep saying, hybrids are window dressing for gullible Americans.

http://germancarscene.com/wp-content/uploads/2-11-2009-e-class.jpg

Oh yeah, and the coupé looks absolutely stunning.

http://static.pagenstecher.de/uploads/5/53/535/5350/7db881a3291.jpg

[BIG PIZZLE]

E-Cass coupe?

[Archangel]

Yup, set to replace the CLK in autumn. Beautiful fucking car.

[BIG PIZZLE]

Yeah the CLK got too girlie.

[Archangel]

Yeah, I loved the first one, but the last model was too high and too narrow for a coupé, and the roofline was all wrong. "Girlie" describes it pretty well.

Well, except these two models.

http://www.otomotiv08.com/images/Mercedes%20Benz%20CLK%20DTM%202003%20-%201024x768.jpg

http://www.justdriven.com/blog/uploads/mercedes-benz-clk-63-amg-black-series5.jpg

[BIG PIZZLE]

My buddy sells mercedes. He told me last night that he leased an "amg black?" for $36k down and $9700 a month.

[Archangel]

SL or CLK?

The CLK is the second pic in the last post, while the SL AMG Black is the #1 car on my list if I ever become a millionaire. It's like AMG were called on to design Darth Vader's flagship.

http://jonsibal.com/blog/wp-content/gallery/sl65blackseries/sl65amgblackseries01.jpg