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even after all these years, the first two still kick retarded amounts of ass, so much so that some could argue they could be considered cruel to asses! The third one, not so much...
Discuss
Will-Kill
08-24-2008, 11:28 PM
The series is......interesting.
Philip Lombard
08-24-2008, 11:29 PM
third one isn't as bad as most people think... sure it didn't really bring anything new to the table, but that chase scene is pretty fucking awesome
third one isn't as bad as most people think...
yes it is
Philip Lombard
08-24-2008, 11:38 PM
yes it is
ok, maybe it was a little jokey and overly reliant on CGI, but that chase scene was tight... and who saw that ending coming
The GWD
08-24-2008, 11:40 PM
You can't just go around killing people!
Why?
What do you mean, why? You just can't!
Why?
macready
08-26-2008, 02:55 AM
Re watched the first one last night and it still kicks ass! Arnold was just about as perfect casting in a movie as you could ever wish for in that film. Also there's no padding in it, the movie gets on with the job right from the start I mean who the fuck needs character development in a movie about a killer cyborg roaming the streets of Los Angeles?. For a movie made on such a small budget it's a masterclass in how to make a bit of money go a very long way without looking like complete toss, something many of todays "straight to DVD" directors could do with learning about.
I'm scouring the net for a cheap copy of T2 now as I haven't seen that in about 8 years and the first one has re kindled my interest in the franchise.
No character development, are you on crack? Terminator is all about character, the action is just a conduit for the characters to grow and evolve, James Cameron is a master of that. At their core every Cameron movie is about the characters, first and foremost, the action is secondary to the people. Action movies in the 80's and early 90's had more heart, you cared about the people in them, modern action flicks are all about the action, the big bangs, gunfights wire-fu and explosions, nobody gives a shit about the characters anymore, the characters are only there to move the story from one big boom to the next and it pisses me off.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that's a big reason why the first Matrix was so popular, the action was intense, but at its core it was all about the characters, you cared about them...
I wish Cameron would make action movies again, teach these upstart fools how its done
MDiver01
08-26-2008, 05:15 AM
who needs action when you have Titanic?
macready
08-26-2008, 07:33 AM
Right so Sarah Connor in the first movie was a fully fleshed out character that you had an emotional bond with was she? I'll grant in T2 there was a hell of a lot more to the characters of both Sarah and John Conner but the first one was a wham bam thank you mam action movie.
I'm sorry but I think its way to easy to read too much into movies like this, Cameron set out to make an action movie (bearing in mind previous to this he'd made Piranha 2 hardly deep and meaningful) and thats what he made, not Driving Miss Daisy kicks ass with a Uzi 9mm whilst we all go away having learnt a little something about ourselves. Over here we have a show called the late show where so called critics sit and discuss current movies and you hear shit like " I just didn't believe in Kyle Reese as a fully formed individual his nuances just didn't ring true and his interaction with other characters seemed stunted and lacklustre" FOR FUCKS SAKE ITS NOT REAL!! ITS GOT KILLER ROBOTS IN IT FOR CHRIST SAKE, ITS JUST A FUCKIN ACTION MOVIE!!!
Obviously in movies like Lethal Weapon and Die Hard the individual characters are far more important to the overall movie but as for The Terminator! honestly, you can't seriously say that is a character driven action movie unless I'm really that shallow that I missed all that stuff. (mind you I did sit through the whole of Saving Private Ryan thinking "I wish they'd make a Return To Castle Wolfenstein movie cause zombie nazis are cool" so you could be right after all).
Right so Sarah Connor in the first movie was a fully fleshed out character that you had an emotional bond with was she?
Yes. Yes she was, and if you don't see it then you're a fool. The movie took place over a couple days, so there's only so much character development that's possible in that short a time span, but she definitely evolved as a character. Can you imagine the Sarah who rode up to work at the beginning crawling through a factory with a piece of shrapnel in her leg? No, she would have given up and the terminator would have won.
honestly, you can't seriously say that is a character driven action movie unless I'm really that shallow that I missed all that stuff.
yes, you're really that shallow
Philip Lombard
08-26-2008, 06:37 PM
No character development, are you on crack? Terminator is all about character, the action is just a conduit for the characters to grow and evolve, James Cameron is a master of that. At their core every Cameron movie is about the characters, first and foremost, the action is secondary to the people. Action movies in the 80's and early 90's had more heart, you cared about the people in them, modern action flicks are all about the action, the big bangs, gunfights wire-fu and explosions, nobody gives a shit about the characters anymore, the characters are only there to move the story from one big boom to the next and it pisses me off.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that's a big reason why the first Matrix was so popular, the action was intense, but at its core it was all about the characters, you cared about them...
I wish Cameron would make action movies again, teach these upstart fools how its done
Everything here is spot on.
STDSkillz
08-26-2008, 06:38 PM
Yes. Yes she was, and if you don't see it then you're a fool. The movie took place over a couple days, so there's only so much character development that's possible in that short a time span, but she definitely evolved as a character. Can you imagine the Sarah who rode up to work at the beginning crawling through a factory with a piece of shrapnel in her leg? No, she would have given up and the terminator would have won.
Agreed. Reese showed her what it takes to fight, and started her on the path of being a solider (which eventually led to her training one). It's easy to see how much Reese affected her in such a short period of time. Hell, Sarah is, without a question, the most dynamic character in Terminator. That just isn't up to debate.
I love the scene in 2 when she wakes from her nightmare, sees what she carved in the table, then goes off to murder Dyson... in that moment, she became exactly what she hated most, a soulless, mindless killer. Even her movements when she's assembling her rifle and preparing to take her shot, she moves in an almost robotic manner.
Her breakdown after realizing what she nearly became is absolutely heartwrenching, that scene encompasses Sarah Conner, she knows what she has to do but won't kill to do it because it will bring her down to the same level as the machines and she needs to be better than that, for the sake of John and by extension the rest of humanity.
teamusa
09-03-2008, 12:23 PM
when reese is telling sarah about the future in the 1st movie is a scene ill never forget.
lce-man
09-11-2008, 06:44 PM
The first two are great movies, the third one is fun in a nostalgic way, but doesn't come close to the first two.
Mr. Brown
09-12-2008, 09:59 AM
The stories are great but as with most movie series that deal with time travel, it's gets more convoluted as it progresses.
It really should go T1 T2 and then the Future war.
The books are great. They give back story to why Skynet selected the body model for the 800 series.They also go into the background of Reese's childhood.