Obama not actually from Earth?

[Federal Farmer]

SOURCE (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=73214)
A prominent Pennsylvania Democrat has sued Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission, claiming that Obama is not a natural-born citizen and, therefore, is not eligible to be president of the United States.

[Stax]

Man, that's a World Net Daily story, and even THEY admit it relies on "discredited claims". Come on. Heck, if anything the potential for a suit against McCain on these grounds holds infinite more weight as he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, and even that suit would be silly.

[vasili denisov]

This is a quandary for republicans. On the one hand, they support tort reform. On the other hand, they really hate black people. What's a G(OP) to do?

[Axel]

That is truly a desperate attempt:
No such lawsuit was ever filled against Obama. Whoever has a Pacer accounts can try and search for it at U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania as it was claimed. Nothing, nada, zilch. (http://www.paed.uscourts.gov/)
You don't lose your citizenship by moving to a foreign country - as Berg's "lawsuit" supposedly claims.
Factcheck.org has determined that Obama's birth certificate is genuine.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Is US public really that gullible and ignorant to consider that charade seriously even for a second?

[kid_vidrio]

This is a tired argument promoted by really stoopid people or people who have nothing else and resort to lies.
What other nuggets of truth do you want to drop on us Farmer? He swore in on the Koran maybe? He's part of a secret splinter cell, hell bent on destroying the country?

Irrespective of how someone feels about the guy, it would be great if we could stick to verifiable points and leave the rest of the crap out.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

Or go here for a concise listing of bullshit claims:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obama.asp

If there is anything worth debating in this pathetic attempt at a thread, it is why people feel the need to mislead and smear in political campaigns. I would love to have a voting public making a decision based on real information, so much as it can, and not Swift Boat, illegitimate black baby bullshit.

[Tar Heel]

Barack Obama's presidential campaign has faced so many false rumors about his family history that it has put his birth certificate on the Internet: he was born in Honolulu, nearly two years after Hawaii became a state, making Obama a U.S. citizen by birth.

Case closed. Hillary supporters are fucking nuts. Get over that dumb mancunt already.

[freegood]

Man, that's a World Net Daily story, and even THEY admit it relies on "discredited claims". Come on. Heck, if anything the potential for a suit against McCain on these grounds holds infinite more weight as he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, and even that suit would be silly.

lol...using a tabloid for political news.

No wait! Obama is Elvis's alien love spawn. iT's A CoNsPirACy

/tinfoil hat

[Limp]

I hate obama and wish for his death daily but this is bullshit.

[Federal Farmer]

It has nothing to do with him moving to a different country, it has to do with the very real possibility that he may have been born in Kenya to parents that weren't legally married.

If this is proven to be the case, under Title 8 USC as it existed in 1961, he is NOT an American citizen, not even naturalized, since in order for that to have happened, he would have had to applied before his 18th birthday. In 1961, Title 8 only conferred citizenship automatically to children of unwed parents if the the FATHER was an American citizen.

[Stax]

It has nothing to do with him moving to a different country, it has to do with the very real possibility that he may have been born in Kenya to parents that weren't legally married.

If this is proven to be the case, under Title 8 USC as it existed in 1961, he is NOT an American citizen, not even naturalized, since in order for that to have happened, he would have had to applied before his 18th birthday. In 1961, Title 8 only conferred citizenship automatically to children of unwed parents if the the FATHER was an American citizen.

You're a dumbass. Again, even World Net Daily, a hugely right wing site, says that part is complete shit.

[redsox39]

This is a quandary for republicans. On the one hand, they support tort reform. On the other hand, they really hate black people. What's a G(OP) to do?

Non-Black-hating Conservative here...along with about 98% of those I know...

Also, not a Obama fan, but then again, not a big fan of Government in General...or taxes.

So at this point, they can both eat a dick...

[Tar Heel]

It has nothing to do with him moving to a different country, it has to do with the very real possibility that he may have been born in Kenya to parents that weren't legally married.

If this is proven to be the case, under Title 8 USC as it existed in 1961, he is NOT an American citizen, not even naturalized, since in order for that to have happened, he would have had to applied before his 18th birthday. In 1961, Title 8 only conferred citizenship automatically to children of unwed parents if the the FATHER was an American citizen.

and... you're retarded.

[Claydon]

Someone has been reading their junk email and believing it again!

Hey you know guy, there is a great opportunity with a Nigerian Prince....

[Axel]

If this is proven to be the case, under Title 8 USC as it existed in 1961, he is NOT an American citizen, not even naturalized, since in order for that to have happened, he would have had to applied before his 18th birthday. In 1961, Title 8 only conferred citizenship automatically to children of unwed parents if the the FATHER was an American citizen.What the fuck are you babbling, tard? Read it again:

Factcheck.org has determined that Obama's birth certificate is genuine.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

What does that mean to you?

Again, even World Net Daily, a hugely right wing site, says that part is complete shit.Hey, even Limp considers that as a bullshit.

Dude, face it, you're a disgrace for every at least slightly reasonable Republican.

[redsox39]

What the fuck are you babbling, tard? Read it again:



What does that mean to you?

Hey, even Limp considers that as a bullshit.

Dude, face it, you're a disgrace for every at least slightly reasonable Republican.

I painfully concede this point...he's crazy...

but at least I got to hear about Obama today. Man, that guy is a media recluse, sometimes I forget who he even is.

[Da Raider]

they are just trying to break up the JoeBama ticket!!!

[vasili denisov]

Non-Black-hating Conservative here...along with about 98% of those I know...

Yeah, because not only do I sincerely believe republicans hate black people, I think it should be the central theme of the democrats' ad campaign. "Democrats: we love black people. Unlike some political parties we could mention. Oh wait, you don't like black people either? Oh man, we are soooooooo fucked."

[redsox39]

Yeah, because not only do I sincerely believe republicans hate black people, I think it should be the central theme of the democrats' ad campaign. "Democrats: we love black people. Unlike some political parties we could mention. Oh wait, you don't like black people either? Oh man, we are soooooooo fucked."

It is quite a feat how the Democrats pulled that reputation off.

apparently: Hate Taxes = Hate Blacks

[fuldstændigamok]

Amazingly stupid thread. Even his most fervent fan (hanover, for the people who don't know) will have to agree on that.

[redsox39]

Amazingly stupid thread. Even his most fervent fan (hanover, for the people who don't know) will have to agree on that.


Agreed. But I got the same email about McCain today! I snopes it, and it is on there, which mean it has been going for awhile...

Snopes is left leaning when it comes to politics though...so it is labled an "optimistic" undetermined.
http://snopes.com/politics/mccain/citizen.asp

[ADD]

He's as American as apple pie, baseball, Chevrolet and malt liquor

[Stax]

Agreed. But I got the same email about McCain today! I snopes it, and it is on there, which mean it has been going for awhile...

Snopes is left leaning when it comes to politics though...so it is labled an "optimistic" undetermined.
http://snopes.com/politics/mccain/citizen.asp

Like I said above, the issue holds ever so slightly more weight with McCain as the issue is undefined, but really people need to just shut up and try to help convince undecideds to vote for their guy.

[blazerboy427]

This is stupid.

[TheImpossibleMan]

This thread topic is more worthless than a Zimbabwean dollar.

[BIG PIZZLE]

This is stupid.

[Lone Wolf]

The fact that this type of shit even gets the time of day is scary to think about

[yard]

lol...using a tabloid for political news.


/tinfoil hat


HUMM....

seems that a tabloid was the only one that would pursue the Edwards scandal.......

[Insomniac]

The signal to noise ratio for tabloids leaves much to be desired.

Essentially anyone who is taken in by this sort of thing wasn't going to vote for Obama anyway, but this is the excuse they can use instead of 'he is black,' or having to learn more about his policies (which again, they wouldn't agree with anyway).

[kid_vidrio]

The signal to noise ratio for tabloids leaves much to be desired.

Essentially anyone who is taken in by this sort of thing wasn't going to vote for Obama anyway, but this is the excuse they can use instead of 'he is black,' or having to learn more about his policies (which again, they wouldn't agree with anyway).
I'd agree, except this will probably be another 50/50 election where <10,000 people could make a difference. As such, I could imagine that number tuning everything the guy might have to say out because (fill in the misleading bullshit here.)

[Axel]

Don't judge Federal Farmer to harsh, he came here to spread some manure, that's what farmers use to do. But I'd say Confederate Farmer would be more suitable name for him.

[Mustard]

*slaps forehead*

fucking weak farmer... are you going to post a chain email about how Obama is a secret muslim next?

[yard]

this is total bull....

i am not voting for him, but i get upset when either side engages in stupid stuff like this..

these are the things that gives politics it's slimy image.

[Genius]

This isn't a side. I don't blame the GOP for this, I blame stupid fucking idiot morons.

[Stax]

This isn't a side. I don't blame the GOP for this, I blame stupid fucking idiot morons.

Yeah, but if you don't think said stupid fucking idiot morons have a set of political views... :/

[Hanover Fist]

Yeah, but if you don't think said stupid fucking idiot morons have a set of political views... :/


Yeah, no shit, this guy is a prominent NJ Democrat. What a fucking moron.

[TheImpossibleMan]

Seriously, what kind of retard lives in New Jersey by choice?

[yard]

The signal to noise ratio for tabloids leaves much to be desired.

Essentially anyone who is taken in by this sort of thing wasn't going to vote for Obama anyway, but this is the excuse they can use instead of 'he is black,' or having to learn more about his policies (which again, they wouldn't agree with anyway).


i agree...
the only people that believe this crap are those that want to believe it.

i don't like obama because he lacks the political experience, has no corperate experience, and will not firmly state his views....

to me he lacks the leadership that it takes to run the country... not to mention his shady associations....

do i love mccain? no, but out of the two, i like him better...

[Federal Farmer]

What the fuck are you babbling, tard? Read it again:

What does that mean to you?

It means that his mother registered his birth in a hospital in Hawaii, it does NOT mean that he was born in Hawaii, especially since there are NO hospital records of her ever being admitted to any hospital in Hawaii, nor of his being delivered in any hospital in Hawaii.

Hey, even Limp considers that as a bullshit.

Dude, face it, you're a disgrace for every at least slightly reasonable Republican.

Dude? You're another of those Obamabots who chugged the Kool-Aide by the bucket full and is supporting a totally unqualified numbnuts who can't even string a half a dozen words together without "uh", or "um" jammed between every other one, and who got PUNKED by the Clintons at his own Convention, and who got called "BOY" by Jimmy Carter!!

ROTFLMFAO!!!

[misterfatt]

someone make this guy an admin already.

[Poop Sailboat]

I think Stax pretty much made FF look like a tard from the second post of this thread.

[Axel]

someone make this guy an admin already.I support the above motion. This guy is clearly an asset for these forums.

Read this masterpiece and guess who is he talking about:...supporting a totally unqualified numbnuts who can't even string a half a dozen words together without "uh", or "um" jammed between every other one...

[freegood]

HUMM....

seems that a tabloid was the only one that would pursue the Edwards scandal.......

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. But go ahead and believe in everything you read that fits your viewpoint.

[Emjanss]

It means that his mother registered his birth in a hospital in Hawaii, it does NOT mean that he was born in Hawaii, especially since there are NO hospital records of her ever being admitted to any hospital in Hawaii, nor of his being delivered in any hospital in Hawaii.

You do realize that the Birth certificate (http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg)reads:


CITY, TOWN OR LOCATION OF BIRTH
HONOLULU

This would mean that he was born in Hawaii, specifically in Honolulu, Hawaii. Or multiple people committed felononies in 1961.

http://www.factcheck.org/demos/factcheck/imagefiles/Image/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/hands.jpg

[kid_vidrio]

i agree...
the only people that believe this crap are those that want to believe it.

i don't like obama because he lacks the political experience, has no corperate experience, and will not firmly state his views....

to me he lacks the leadership that it takes to run the country... not to mention his shady associations....

do i love mccain? no, but out of the two, i like him better...
Have you actually taken the time to read his views or discover what experience he does have, or are you just repeating what you've heard?

If you did 15 mins of research, I'm fairly certain you'd be surprised.
Either way, experience hasn't proved to be much of a measuring stick. There have been presidents with much who did little, and presidents with little who did much, and presidents who had what you could call experience and completely balled up their 8 years in office.

The question is what do you do when faced with challenges? How do you handle them? Do you explain them away with an experience or a justification, or do you approach them with a team and find a solution and then make an executive decision with authority?

[vasili denisov]

I for one welcome our new intergalactic funk overlord, and hope he shows mercy during the funkification process.

[Federal Farmer]

Or multiple people committed felononies in 1961.

BINGO! We have a winner. That is EXACTLY what the lawsuit is asserting, that he wasn't actually born here, and as such, under Title 8 USC as it was written in 1961, he is NOT a US citizen since he's illegitimate (his father was already married to someone else when he "married" BO's mother).

Oh, and BTW, who's the chickenshit Kool-Aide swiller who changed the name of the thread? Gutless punk bitch.

[kareyn01]

The most unbelievable part of this whole thing is that Farmer can even function enough to get on the internet and post this shit.

[kid_vidrio]

Oh, and BTW, who's the chickenshit Kool-Aide swiller who changed the name of the thread? Gutless punk bitch.
That would be me you stupid fucktard.
If you want to assert complete fabrications as truth, go start your own forum and go nuts.
If this is proved wrong, I'll erect a bronze statue of H L Mencken or perhaps PT Barnum in the town square and dedicate it to you.

[Tar Heel]

Why is anyone even responding to this guy. He's obviously a dumbass who is feeding off of being a re-re-mongo.

[Fuh Q]

Im not an Obama supporter, I know nothing about his policies or what he stands for, but good lord its astounding the lengths people will go to to attack this guy! From the terrorist fist jab crap to saying he isnt even American. This guys popularity and success clearly scares a lot of people. I just hope the majority of Americans arnt as dimwitted as Federal Fudgepacker here

[Rover]

The most unbelievable part of this whole thing is that Farmer can even function enough to get on the internet and post this shit.Based on what I've seen from most of the internet a high cognitive ability is not required.

[Axel]

Why is anyone even responding to this guy.For the lulz?

This would mean that he was born in Hawaii, specifically in Honolulu, Hawaii. Or multiple people committed felononies in 1961.blah, blah ...That is EXACTLY what the lawsuit is asserting, that he wasn't actually born here, and as such, under Title 8 USC as it was written in 1961, he is NOT a US citizen since he's illegitimate... blah, blahSo why is than, supposedly, law suit filed against Barack Obama, not against those who, supposedly, committed that felony in 1961? Can’t we presume that he wasn’t legally accountable at the time of his birth?

Oh I see, he falsified his birth certificate recently, yes?

[Mustard]

This might be the single dumbest thread in the history of the internet.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o19/jpcooper90/you-should-kill-yourself-animated.gif

God I hope this isn't a red x...

[Federal Farmer]

That is truly a desperate attempt:
No such lawsuit was ever filled against Obama. Whoever has a Pacer accounts can try and search for it at U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania as it was claimed. Nothing, nada, zilch. (http://www.paed.uscourts.gov/)
You don't lose your citizenship by moving to a foreign country - as Berg's "lawsuit" supposedly claims.
Factcheck.org has determined that Obama's birth certificate is genuine.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html


Is US public really that gullible and ignorant to consider that charade seriously even for a second?

Axel, you might want to let "factcheck" know that their "facts" aren't so "factual".

HERE (http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/001_ObamaComplaint.pdf) is a link to the complaint. which was filed on August 21, 2008 at 4:45 PM.

Oh, and one other thing. All of you Kool-Aide swilling Obastard fucktards need to comprehend one simple fact. All I did was post a link to the story, I DIDN'T INVENT THE DAMNED THING, and the fact that you're spending so much time attacking me instead of the veracity of the story itself simply goes to prove that you're entirely too fucking stupid to be allowed to BREED.

Now, please go render yourselves sterile by whatever means you find to be the most painful before you polluted the planet with any more FUCKING MORONS LIKE YOU!

[vasili denisov]

Oh, and one other thing. All of you Kool-Aide swilling Obastard fucktards need to comprehend one simple fact. All I did was post a link to the story, I DIDN'T INVENT THE DAMNED THING, and the fact that you're spending so much time attacking me instead of the veracity of the story itself simply goes to prove that you're entirely too fucking stupid to be allowed to BREED.

Now, please go render yourselves sterile by whatever means you find to be the most painful before you polluted the planet with any more FUCKING MORONS LIKE YOU!
Sooooooooo, what you seem to be saying is, last night's Biden speech did not sway your vote?

[kid_vidrio]

I see Berg will be on coast to coast with George Noory.
Now I know this is legit.
Maybe George will have some info about BO living with the Grays in area 51 or something.

[Oggie]

More like Federal Faggot.

[kid_vidrio]

Kool-Aid Swiller!

[Oggie]

Oh yeah!

[kid_vidrio]

Will home owners insurance pay for the wall if that guy crashes through or do I need a select policy?

[Emjanss]

Will home owners insurance pay for the wall if that guy crashes through or do I need a select policy?
you might need to sue the guy asnd have his auto insurance pay for it

[kid_vidrio]

Does the big red kool-aid guy even drive?

[jay4be]

no comment - do not hide
http://s4.tinypic.com/mc83vb.jpg

[Genius]

I really hope Obama has a huge pro-African agenda behind this campaign, and that there are all kinds of conspiracies that come to light, Obama had JFK killed, runs the Mafia, knows where Jimmy Hoffa is, headed up the vast right-wing conspiracy against Clinton, etc, etc. That would really shake some shit up. As soon as he comes to power, he eliminates all opposition, brings in Robert Mugabe as his right-hand man, goes apeshit on dissenters, makes 100% income tax complusary, introduces abort all second born legeslation, forces all Republicans to accept free health care, replaces the military with tribal African pygmy warriors dressed in ripped-out pages of the Bible, forces nightly readings of the Qur'an via bullhorn to everyone in the country, burns all lepel pins...

[Claydon]

I really hope Obama has a huge pro-African agenda behind this campaign, and that there are all kinds of conspiracies that come to light, Obama had JFK killed, runs the Mafia, knows where Jimmy Hoffa is, headed up the vast right-wing conspiracy against Clinton, etc, etc. That would really shake some shit up. As soon as he comes to power, he eliminates all opposition, brings in Robert Mugabe as his right-hand man, goes apeshit on dissenters, makes 100% income tax complusary, introduces abort all second born legeslation, forces all Republicans to accept free health care, replaces the military with tribal African pygmy warriors dressed in ripped-out pages of the Bible, forces nightly readings of the Qur'an via bullhorn to everyone in the country, burns all lepel pins...

Bush had a VERY pro africa agenda, hence 10s of billions in economic, and medical aid went to some of the poorest regions of africa. In particular those regions that are being ravaged by hiv/aids. I give bush major kudos for his position on africa, sadly no one else does.

[kareyn01]

Bush had a VERY pro africa agenda, hence 10s of billions in economic, and medical aid went to some of the poorest regions of africa. In particular those regions that are being ravaged by hiv/aids. I give bush major kudos for his position on africa, sadly no one else does.

Add me to the list of people that actually gives Bush some credit for giving aid to Africa, especially with regard to HIV/AIDS funding. The problem is that he has basically screwed the pooch so badly on everything else that you almost wonder if he did something right accidently.

[Mustard]

Add me to the list of people that actually gives Bush some credit for giving aid to Africa, especially with regard to HIV/AIDS funding. The problem is that he has basically screwed the pooch so badly on everything else that you almost wonder if he did something right accidently.
You know the old saying... even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[Crack]

Add me to the list of people that actually gives Bush some credit for giving aid to Africa,




I'm pretty sure it was Bush Sr. who unleashed/gave Aidz to Africa during his CIA days.

[kid_vidrio]

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Seems even the Honolulu Advertiser was in on the cover up, anticipating he would run for President someday and making sure all based were covered.
Bastards.

[Mustard]

This might be the single dumbest thread in the history of the internet.

To the author:

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o19/jpcooper90/you-should-kill-yourself-animated.gif

[lce-man]

Wasn't Obama Jesus' brother from another mother?

[Cornelius]

No but he might be the black protoge of Stalin though.

http://i38.tinypic.com/foljfc.jpg

[Axel]

No news about that alien-running-for-the-president scandal, huh? I’m disappointed by you, Federal Farmer.

BTW, I found no credible facts about Philip J. BERG on internet, except that this character supposes to be a 9/11 "truther" and Clinton "supporter" who already made few weird claims against Obama lately.

Well, that’s pretty similar to Larry C. Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_C._Johnson), co-founderof BERG Associates (http://www.berg-associates.com/), (coincidence, of course), that emerged as a “supporter” of Hillary Clinton in 2008 – except that he was a CIA officer and a fierce Republican before, and his RL existence is undoubted.

[kid_vidrio]

Add me to the list of people that actually gives Bush some credit for giving aid to Africa, especially with regard to HIV/AIDS funding. The problem is that he has basically screwed the pooch so badly on everything else that you almost wonder if he did something right accidently.
FWIW, check on the strings attached to his aid before you give him to much credit.

[Axel]

While at it, the esquire (that’s lolwyer, right?) Philip J. Berg, filed both

a lawsuit against Obama (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2066207/posts) in which he accused him conspiracy, and …

PHILIP J. BERG, ESQUIREa lawsuit against Bush & Co (http://www.911forthetruth.com/pages/RodriguezComplaint.htm) in which he accused them conspiracy.

PHILIP J. BERG, ESQ.

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III. FACTS ON WHICH CLAIMS FOR RELIEF ARE PREDICATED

A. THE WTC TWIN TOWERS, AS WELL AS WTC BUILDING #7, WERE DESTROYED BY CONTROLLED DEMOLITION, AS CLEARLY PROVEN BY THE LAWS OF PHYSICS; THIS DEMOLITION COULD ONLY HAVE BEEN AN "INSIDE JOB."What does that make him: an impartial, upright genius or a delusional attention whore?

The fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton... but they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.

[Insomniac]

They were right to laugh at Columbus. He was bad at math and only lucky at geography.

[Ghostrider]

This is a quandary for republicans. On the one hand, they support tort reform. On the other hand, they really hate black people. What's a G(OP) to do?

I highly doubt Obama qualifies as black. He was born to an african father yes, but much like most black fathers, he was completely absent from his life. He them spent his formative years in a muslim country run by asians, until he got sick of it and moved to the us to be raised by is white midwesterner grandparents.

Stereotypically black men in the US do not fit the Obama mold, I just hope others who call themselves black follow his model of civility so we can reduce crime in KC. Well except the whole Jeremiah Wright ideals and the terrorist socialistic leanings of other associates.

[Limp]

First, I am including a link or two in this post. I promise no meatspin links in this post. All future posts are subject to trickery and asshatery.

Second, I am honestly trying to make heads or tails of this. Once I read something I then look at the website and if it is a right wing nutjob site I look for it elsewhere. I did find some of the stuff elsewhere but not all.

Third, please keep this factual and not make it emotional. I understand that half of the people here think Obama is the Devil and the other half think McCain is the Devil. Yes I typically align with Republican points of view but honestly I voted for Obama in the primaries. Partly because I was scared shitless that Clinton would be nominated and partly because I thought Obama could bring the country together better than McCain. While I am being honest, I have recently found McCain to be a better fit for me and my views and am 90% sure I will be voting for him. And yes... wtf was he thinking with Palin, please McCain don't have a heart attack and die.

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THE ACTUAL THREAD TOPIC

Article II, Section I of the United States Constitution says “No Person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.”

“natural born citizen” is the part that gets me and will be what I focus on most.

Obama was born in Hawaii! He posted his Certificate of Live Birth on his website! http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate (http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate)

Yes Obama has posted his Certificate of Live Birth on his website and it could be very real. The questions that have been raised though make me wonder if it is real or not. Obama's dad's race is listed as "AFRICAN". In 1961 when this was made the term for blacks was "NEGRO" regardless of where you came from (remember, this was pre-political correctness). Regardless of political correctness it should say at minimum "BLACK" right there similar to Obama's mother's race saying "CAUCASIAN". AFRICAN isn't even a "race" today, it's not even a nationality because Africa is a Continent.

Another thing is the Wording directly below the father's race. Obama's says "DATE FILED BY REGISTRAR" and another one that can be found online (http://www.valeehill.net/genealogy/documents/doc_decosta_pat_birth.jpg) says "DATE ACCEPTED BY STATE REGISTRAR". Filed and accepted are two completely different words. Different dates you say? Look at the Rev. number information at the bottom, they are the same.

That's all internet BS, it's a real Certificate of Live Birth.

Ok, maybe it is real. It still doesn't help with the fact that he may not be a “natural born citizen”. Sure he could have been born in America but that doesn't mean he is automatically an “natural born citizen”. Obama has already admitted to being born a Dual Citizen and because he didn't swear his allegiance to Kenya, he lost his Kenyan citizenship in 1982. Legally someone could argue what the writers of the Constitution meant by "Natural Born" but I think there is a bigger problem. When he lived in Indonesia he went to school there under his adopted name Barry Soetoro as he admitted in one of his books. Well in Indonesia at that time it was illegal to go to school there unless you were Indonesian. Well with his step-father adopting him and him going to school there it can only be assumed he became and Indonesian Citizen. Here is a copy of his school record in Indonesia from the first grade (http://www.siamlady.com/Images/BarrySoetoro.jpg), line 3 says his citizenship is "Indonesia" and for giggles the fourth line reads his religion as "Islam". Something else about US/Indonesian law, until 2007, Indonesia did not recognize ANY dual citizenship and the US didn't recognize dual citizenship with Indonesia. The Nationality Act of 1940 provided for the loss of citizenship when the person became naturalized upon the naturalization of his or her parent having custody of such person. Obama’s mother expatriated her U.S. Citizenship when she married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia and relocated herself and Obama to Indonesia. All that being true he lost his American citizenship at that point in his life. At the age of 10 he was sent to live with his white grandparents in America and one of two things happened. He either went through US Customs and became a Naturalized Citizen OR he didn't go through customs which makes him an illegal alien not eligible to be a Senator much less a President. When Obama's mom came back to America she did not take the oath to regain her US Citizenship therefore Obama could not regain his Citizenship until he was 18 years old. Obama would have had to take an Oath of Allegiance to the United States once he turned 18 which would be on record, so far Obama has shown no such record. He could have been born on the white house lawn to two American parents but if he became a Indonesian Citizen like it seems, he IS NOT eligible to be President and if he is an illegal alien he could be arrested and deported.

Why I think he may not be eligible:
A. He won't release the VAULT version of his BIRTH CERTIFICATE to the public. Something that shows the hospital he was born in, the name of the doctor that delivered him. Something more than just a Certificate showing that Barack Obama was born alive because I think we all know that.
B. I didn't cover it but his Kenyan grandmother and other family members claimed to have been there when Obama was born... in Kenya. Speculation says that Obama's mother wasn't allowed on a plane because of the pregnancy and was forced to give birth in Kenya and later flew to Hawaii and registered Obama's birth. Once again speculation but a good story.
C. He admits to in his book and there is records of him going to school in Indonesia which is only legal to Indonesian citizens therefore making him lose his "Natural Born" status.

[Limp]

Stupid spelling of his stupid other last name... Can someone change it to Soetoro

[freegood]

You're onto something. You could be the next Joe the Plumber.

[Desperado]

I really feel dumb for reading one paragraph of that... if he wasnt qualified the GOP would have stomped him out a long time ago. By the way, John McCain was born in Panama.

[Archangel]

Bruce Willis was born in Germany!

[Stax]

My professor in my "The Presidency and Congress" class, in a fun class where lots of people didn't show up, outlined why (if I remember correctly) no presidents other than perhaps John Adams and John Quincy Adams were legitimate because (he jokingly argued):

-"natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution" meant the moment the 9th state ratified the Constitution (when, as defined in Article VII, the Constitution is adopted).
-And you had to be from those 9 states ( Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Georgia, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maryland, South Carolina, New Hampshire) because only people from those states were citizens of the United States at the time of the adoption of the Constitution
-Had to be a natural born citizen at the time of adoption, so nobody born after June 21, 1788 (when New Hampshire ratified) could be president.

Zachary Taylor (prez #11) was the last born early enough to be a citizen at the time of ratification, and only the two Adams were from the 9 ratifying states.

And his argument made more sense than the bitching that either McCain or Obama is ineligible.

[Limp]

I really feel dumb for reading one paragraph of that... if he wasnt qualified the GOP would have stomped him out a long time ago. By the way, John McCain was born in Panama.
I read up on McCain too and a unanimous Senate resolution said he was ok to run.

Who vetted Obama?

[Stax]

I read up on McCain too and a unanimous Senate resolution said he was ok to run.

Who vetted Obama?

It doesn't matter. The resolution had no binding power and even if it did a Senate act cannot override the Constitution. The Obama question is just being picky for no reason, with McCain there's actually no doubt where he was born (it's just the legitimacy of the site).

[Desperado]

Who vetted Obama?


I didnt realize he needed vetting... really now, hes only 3 weeks away from becoming the president. Would you feel better if the Senate did the same for Obama hahaha.

[freegood]

And his argument made more sense than the bitching that either McCain or Obama is ineligible.

WHAT?!?! DON"T YOU WANT MY LINKS ON WHY MCCAIN THE PANAMANIAN WILL GIVE AWAY AMERICA TO THE VIET CONG?????

[Limp]

It doesn't matter. The resolution had no binding power and even if it did a Senate act cannot override the Constitution. The Obama question is just being picky for no reason, with McCain there's actually no doubt where he was born (it's just the legitimacy of the site).
Yeah, he was just born a year before a law was passed and they retro'd it.
I didnt realize he needed vetting... really now, hes only 3 weeks away from becoming the president. Would you feel better if the Senate did the same for Obama hahaha.
Yes. Produce the correct documentation and I would happy as hell.

[Desperado]

Yes. Produce the correct documentation and I would happy as hell.


I think it would look something like this....

http://www.ronpaulrules.com/who-gives-a-shit.png

[Pax Britannia]

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii85/Raptor08_2008/obamaboratparodyjk6.jpg

[Archangel]

Why is it that nobody in America seems to be able to spell "atheist" correctly?

[NOTKyle]

I really feel dumb for reading one paragraph of that... if he wasnt qualified the GOP would have stomped him out a long time ago. By the way, John McCain was born in Panama.

It was a US territory, albeit a tiny one.

[Claibo]

s

[Claydon]

Answer: NO.

Raising taxes during a massive economic downturn is pure fucking stupid.

end of story.

[mongo]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3187/2965222190_47151e9126_o.jpg

I think that this sums up the situation nicely.

you're a fucking idiot. that doesn't even apply to this thread. go die.

[Axel]

EPIC FAILURE: Obama not actually from Earth? (http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?t=5003)

Do we really have to rehash that retarded shit over and over again?

[Genius]

Why is it that nobody in America seems to be able to spell "atheist" correctly?
Because us rednecks pronounce it "athe-ice-t".

[Mustard]

Q: Is Barack Obama aka Barry Soetoro qualified to be President?

A: 1) Yes, Barack Obama is qualified to be President according to everybody who voted for him in the Primaries. That would include me. 2) I have no idea who Barry Soetoro is. Is that "Joe the Plumber's" real name?

[ADD]

It was what Barack was know as growing up.

[Mustard]

Was that his legal name then, or is this all just a 2nd grade style name twist like making fun of John McCain's middle name, which is Sidney, and call him Sidney, Sidney, Sidney?

[ADD]

Barry was short for Barack. I believe the last name was his Step-dad's.

One of his old friends growing up in the Phillipeenes was on Inside Edition or something 2 months ago reminising about his old pal "Barry".

[Mustard]

So, Barry was short for Barack. As in it was in the past, and not now. As in it is wholly irrelevant, except to the mouth-breathers.

Gotcha.

[ADD]

Bingo

[Mustard]

Thank ADD for clearing that up for me.

[ADD]

All because I happened to come home one day, and on the TV was Inside Edition. Which I hadn't seen in about 15 years.

[Mustard]

Better you than me... I hate teh gossip showz.

[ADD]

I was intrigued, then found out it was just his childhood name. I was crushed.

[Mustard]

For reals. I had the same disappointment when I found out that it wasn't the State Puff Marshmallow Man, but in fact was Stay Puffed Marshmallow Man.

1991 was a horrible year for me...

[taters]

Talk about Dumb fucking threads.

Never mind where he was born, hes part black....and his name isnt an anglo-american name!!! Plus, old white folks think hes arab!

That obviously means hes not qualified (to most conservatives) Seriously, get over this shit.

[Limp]

So, Barry was short for Barack. As in it was in the past, and not now. As in it is wholly irrelevant, except to the mouth-breathers.

Gotcha.
It wasn't just a short name, from what I understand it was a legal name change upon his adoption. He went back to Barack Obama after he came to America, I would assume after his mother divorced. Did he do another legal name change? Who knows. One thing I find interesting is that he never mentioned "Barry Soetoro" as a name he has held when he became an attornery... why not?
Talk about Dumb fucking threads.

Never mind where he was born, hes part black....and his name isn't an anglo-american name!!! Plus, old white folks think hes arab!

That obviously means hes not qualified (to most conservatives) Seriously, get over this shit.
Some times I wonder who is more racist.... you or Goat. Then I realize Goat is just joking and this is real life to you.

BTW, here is more of what I found last night... cause an old white person like me THINKS he is an Arab....
Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side, 43.75% Arabic, and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side.

YOU WHITE CONSERVATIVES KEEP SAYING THAT! THERE IS NO PROOF!
Ok... he must not have a family tree.

Wait, yes he does:
1. Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. (1961)
Parents
2. Barack Obama (1936-1982) Born in Kenya and had 3 wives
3. Stanley Ann Dunham (1942-1995)
Grandparents
4. Hussein Onyango Obama (1895) Fought for England in WWI and converted from Christianity to Islam after the war. Had several wives, one of which is Akumu.
5. Akumu Akumu left the family and Hussein's third with Sarah then became Baracks "grandmother"
6. Stanley Dunham (1918-1992)
7. Madelyn Lee Payne (1922)
Great grandparents
8. Obama, of Kendu Bay, Kenya Omaba had 4 wives, one of which is Nyaoke
9. Nyaoke Had many children, the fifth was Hussein.
12. Ralph Waldo Emerson Dunham (1894-1970)
13. Ruth Lucille Armour (1900-1926)
14. Rolla Charles Payne (1892-1968)
15. Leona McCurry (1897-aft1930)

I don't know genealogy math so those percentages are from another source, please do the math if you know how. I have been looking for information on Akumu (Grandmother) and Nayaoke (Great Grandmother) to branch the tree from there but cannot find any info.

Tater... it would be nice to hear something other than "YOU WHITE DEVIL!" since I am honestly just fact finding. Please help me understand.

[BSM]

ELECTION 2008
Obama 'admits' Kenyan birth?
Campaign doesn't respond to claims in lawsuit over birth certificate

Posted: October 21, 2008
9:22 pm Eastern


By Drew Zahn
© 2008 WorldNetDaily http://wnd.com/images/PhilipBerg2.jpg
Philip J. Berg
Pennsylvania Democrat (http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78671#) Philip J. Berg, who filed a lawsuit demanding Sen. Barack Obama (http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78671#) present proof of his American citizenship (http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78671#), now says that by failing to respond Obama has legally "admitted" to the lawsuit's accusations, including the charge that the Democratic candidate was born in Mombosa, Kenya.
As WND reported (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214), Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court in August, alleging Obama (http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78671#) is not a natural-born citizen and is thus ineligible to serve as president of the United States (http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78671#). Though Obama has posted an image of a Hawaii birth certificate online, Berg demands that the court verify the original document, which the Obama campaign has not provided.
Now Berg cites Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, which states that unless the accused party provides written answer or objection to charges within 30 days, the accused legally admits the matter.
Since Obama has only filed motions to dismiss and has not actually answered the charges in the lawsuit, Berg claims, according to Rule 36, Obama has legally admitted he is not a natural-born citizen.
Now Berg is asking the court for a formal declaration of Obama's admission and asking the Democratic National Committee for another presidential candidate.
In a statement released today, Berg argues that he filed Requests for Admissions on Sept. 15, meaning Obama had until Oct. 15 to answer or face the consequences of Rule 36.
"Obama and the DNC 'admitted,' by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for Admissions, all of the numerous specific requests in the Federal lawsuit," Berg's statement reads. "Obama is 'not qualified' to be president and therefore Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for president and the DNC shall substitute a qualified candidate."


Berg's original lawsuit leveled several charges at both Obama and the DNC – accusing the former of lying about his place of birth, faking his birth certificate and fraudulently running for office (http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78671#)
http://kona.kontera.com/javascript/lib/imgs/grey_loader.gif (http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78671#)
; and accusing the latter of not properly vetting its candidate.
Though it hasn't given Berg the evidence he seeks, the Obama campaign has publicly answered allegations that the candidate was born in Kenya and faked his Hawaii birth certificate.
"Smears claiming Barack Obama doesn't have a birth certificate aren't actually about that piece of paper," says the "Fight the Smears" section of Obama's website (http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate), "they're about manipulating people into thinking Barack (http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78671#) is not an American citizen.
"The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America," the campaign website states. It also includes images of a Hawaii birth certificate bearing the name Barack Hussein Obama II.
Berg has also taken the controversy public through his website (http://www.obamacrimes.com/) and through repeated public offers to revoke the lawsuit if Obama will produce legal documents that establish his citizenship.
Without those documents, Berg has chosen to file two additional motions in district court in Philadelphia. The first asks the court to notify Obama and the DNC of what Berg understands they have now legally "admitted," and the second asks for an expedited ruling, given the quickly upcoming Nov. 4 election.
"It all comes down to the fact that there's nothing from the other side," Berg told Jeff Schreiber for his blog, America's Right. (http://www.americasright.com/) "The admissions are there. By not filing the answers or objections, the defense has admitted everything. He admits he was born in Kenya. He admits he was adopted in Indonesia. He admits that the documentation posted online is a phony. And he admits that he is constitutionally ineligible to serve as president of the United States."

[Axel]

EPIC FAILURE: Obama not actually from Earth? (http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?t=5003)

Do we really have to rehash that retarded shit over and over again? Can we keep the same shit on a single pile, please?

MERGE IT!

[taters]

Have I called anyone here a 'devil? Yet....

[Pax Britannia]

Yet is the key word.

[fuldstændigamok]

Some times I wonder who is more racist.... you or Goat. Then I realize Goat is just joking and this is real life to you.


You poor delusional soul...

[freegood]

WND makes shit up.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=World_Net_Daily

Libel lawsuit

On September 20, 2000, WND published an article[4] claiming that Clark Jones, a Tennessee car dealer and fund-raiser for then-Vice President Al Gore, had interfered with a criminal investigation, had been a "subject" of a criminal investigation, was listed on law enforcement computers as a "dope dealer," and implied that he had ties to others involved in alleged criminal activity. In 2001, Jones filed a lawsuit[5] against WND; the reporters, Charles C. Thompson II and Tony Hays; the Center for Public Integrity, which had underwritten Thompson and Hays' reporting on the article and related ones[6]; and various Tennessee publications and broadcasters who he accused of repeating the claim, claiming libel and defamation. The lawsuit had been scheduled to go to trial in March 2008[7], but on February 13, 2008, WND announced that a confidential out-of-court settlement had been reached with Jones.[8] A settlement statement jointly drafted by all parties in the lawsuit states in part:

"Discovery has revealed to WorldNetDaily.com that no witness verifies the truth of what the witnesses are reported by authors to have stated. Additionally, no document has been discovered that provides any verification that the statements written were true.

"Factual discovery in the litigation and response from Freedom of Information Act requests to law enforcement agencies confirm Clark Jones' assertion that his name has never been on law enforcement computers, that he has not been the subject of any criminal investigation nor has he interfered with any investigation as stated in the articles. Discovery has also revealed that the sources named in the publications have stated under oath that statements attributed to them in the articles were either not made by them, were misquoted by the authors, were misconstrued, or the statements were taken out of context."[9]

[Yelram]

This has been slowly coming to the forefront. It started as one lawsuit, and now there are 8 of them in different states across the country. I figure if this does go down, and it becomes significant, it would sure be a shame if our little GMF political section did not address it in a timely manner. Many of you assume that since Factcheck.org has confirmed Barack Obama's (or Soetoro) Certificate of Live birth, that means the issue has been handled. What most people dont realize is that a COLB is not an adequate form of identification to prove where you were born. Obamas trip to Hawaii to visit his "ailing grandmother" prompted some questions among the alternative media, like "why didnt he take his wife and kids", and "why announce where you are going 3 days in advance if your grandmother is really in that bad a condition", many believe his trip to Hawaii is a frenzied attempt to prove he is a legal, natural born citizen of the US. Here is all of the information regarding this issue you could want. http://www.obamacrimes.com/. (http://www.obamacrimes.com/)

And here is a listing of the accusations, which, if they are not adressed, is an admission of guilt.

Baracks "admissions"

1. I was born in Kenya. 2. I am a Kenya “natural born” citizen.
3. My foreign birth was registered in the State of Hawaii. 4. My father, Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr. admitted Paternity of me.
5. My mother gave birth to me in Mombosa, Kenya. 6. My mother’s maiden name is Stanley Ann Dunham a/k/a Ann Dunham.
7. The COLB [Certification of Live Birth] posted on the website “Fightthesmears.com” is a forgery.
8. I was adopted by a Foreign Citizen.
9. I was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a citizen of Indonesia.
10. I was not born in Hawaii.
11. I was not born at the Queens Medical Center in Hawaii.
12. I was not born at Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Hawaii.
13. I was not born in a Hospital in Hawaii.
14. I am a citizen of Indonesia.
15. I never took the “Oath of Allegiance” to regain my U.S. Citizenship status.
16. I am not a “natural born” United States citizen.
17. My date of birth is August 4, 1961.
18. I traveled to Pakistan in 1981 with my Pakistan friends.
19. In 1981, I went to Indonesia on my way to Pakistan.
20. Pakistan was a no travel zone in 1981 for American Citizens.
21. In 1981, Pakistan was not allowing American Citizens to enter their country.
22. I traveled on my Indonesian Passport to Pakistan.
23. I renewed my Indonesian Passport on my way to Pakistan.
24. My senior campaign staff is aware I am not a “natural born” United States Citizen.
25. I am proud of my Kenya Heritage.
26. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my first name.
27. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my last name.
28. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my place of birth.
29. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my first name.
30. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my last name.
31. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my place of birth.
32. The document identified as my Indonesian School record from Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia is genuine.
33. I went to a Judge in Hawaii to have my name changed.
34. I went to a Senator and/or Congressman or other public official in Hawaii to have my name changed.
35. I had a passport issued to me from the Government of Indonesia.
36. The United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a “natural born” United States citizen.
37. I am ineligible pursuant to the United States Constitution to serve as President and/or Vice President of the United States.
38. I never renounced my citizenship as it relates to my citizenship to the country of Indonesia.
39. I never renounced my citizenship as it relates to my citizenship to the country of Kenya.
40. I am an Attorney who specializes in Constitutional Law.
41. Kenya was a part of the British Colonies at the time of my birth.
42. Kenya did not become its own Republic until 1963.
43. I am not a “Naturalized” United States Citizen.
44. I obtained $200 Million dollars in campaign funds by fraudulent means.
45. I cannot produce a “vault” (original) long version of a birth certificate showing my birth in Hawaii.
46. My “vault” (original) long version birth certificate shows my birth in Kenya.
47. The only times I was to a Hospital in Hawaii was for check-ups or medical treatments for illnesses.
48. Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii does not have any record of my mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) giving birth to me.
49. Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu, Hawaii does not have any record of my mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) giving birth to me.
50. I was born in the Coast Province Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.
51. I represented on my State Bar application in Illinois that I never used any other name other than Barack Hussein Obama.
52. I went by the name Barry Soetoro in Indonesia.
53. My Indonesian school records are under the name of Barry Soetoro.
54. I took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution when admitted to the State Bar of Illinois to practice Law.
55. I took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution when I was Sworn into my United States Senate Office.
56. I hold dual citizenship with at least one other Country besides the United States of America.



Dnc admissions
1. The DNC nominated Barrack Hussein Obama as the Democratic Nominee for President.
2. The DNC has not vetted Barrack Hussein Obama.
3. The DNC did not have a background check performed on Barrack Hussein Obama. 4.The DNC did not verify Barrack Hussein Obama’s eligibility to serve as President of the United States.
5. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya.6. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama is not a “natural born” United States citizen.
7. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama was not born in Hawaii.
8.The DNC admits they have not inquired into Barrack Hussein Obama’s citizenship status.

9. The DNC admits they have a duty to properly vette the Democratic Nominee for President.
10.The DNC admits Lolo Soetoro, M.A., an Indonesian citizen adopted Barrack Hussein Obama.

11. The DNC admits the Credentials Committee has been aware of this lawsuit since August 22, 2008 as the lawsuit was faxed to our Washington D.C. Office on August 22, 2008.
12. The DNC admits their Credentials Committee failed to verify and/or inquire into the credentials of Barack Hussein Obama to serve as the President of the United States.
13. The DNC admits their Credential Committee’s Report failed to address the issues of Barack Hussein Obama’s ineligibility to serve as President of the United States.
14.The DNC admits Howard Dean, Chair Person has and had knowledge Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya and ineligible to serve as the President of the United States.
15. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all Democratic citizens of the United States have been personally injured as a result of not having a qualified Democratic Presidential Nominee to cast their votes upon.
16. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all citizens of the United States have a Constitutional Right to vote for the President of the United States and to have two (2) qualified candidates of which to choose from.
17. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all citizens of the United States have a Constitutional right to have a properly vetted Democratic Presidential Nominee of which to cast their vote.
18. The DNC admits an FBI background check is not performed on the Presidential or Vice Presidential Candidates.
19. The DNC admits the United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a “natural born” United States citizen.
20. The DNC admits they collected donations on behalf of Barack Hussein Obama for his Presidential campaign.
21. The DNC admits Plaintiff and Democratic citizens donated money based on false representations that Barack Hussein Obama was qualified to serve as the President of the United States.
22. The DNC admits if Barack Hussein Obama is elected as President and allowed to serve as President of the United States in violation of our Constitution, it will create a Constitutional crisis.
23. The DNC admits Barack Hussein Obama took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution.
24. The DNC admits allowing a person who is not a “natural born” citizen to serve as President of the United States violates Plaintiff’s rights to due process of law in violation of the United States Constitution.
25. The DNC admits allowing a person who is not a “natural born” citizen to serve as President of the United States violates Plaintiff’s rights to Equal Protection of the laws in violation of the United States Constitution.
26. The DNC admits the function of the DNC is to secure a Democratic Presidential Candidate who will protect Democratic citizen’s interests, fight for their equal opportunities and fight for justice for all Americans.
27. The DNC admits the Democratic National Committee has been promoting Barack Hussein Obama’s Presidential election knowing he was ineligible to serve as President of the United States.




This may all be nothing, but it has been picking up momentum over the past couple of weeks, and especially over the last 24 hours. Phillip Berg did an interview with Michael Savage last night which can be heard at the obamacrimes link.

Discuss the implications, either way.

Oh, and just for the skeptics, the guy has Obamas paternal grandmother saying she was present for his birth, in Kenya.

[Desperado]

Holy shit... this fucking thread is probably the most fail out of the three....

http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?t=5003

[freegood]

YELRAMS FACTS WILL NOT BE DENIED

[Claydon]

oh boy

[heelsguy]

wouldn't this be a bitch?

talk about rioting in the streets...holy shitballs

[Desperado]

What cracks me up about this fucking worthless thread is right here....

And here is a listing of the accusations, which, if they are not adressed, is an admission of guilt.

Congrats there judge/jury... desperation is an ugly thing to see. Seriously though, delete/merge anyone?

[Da Raider]

you can all laugh it off and dismiss it, but trust me, there are plenty of lawsuits and investigative reporters hot on the trail. Sometimes where there is smoke, there is fire. Obama is not in Hawaii for his sick grandmother, that's his cover. He's there trying to fight these charges in as low key a manner as possible. I have no idea if these charges are true or not, I just know that that the DNC should have vetted him...

[Da Raider]

What cracks me up about this fucking worthless thread is right here....



Congrats there judge/jury... desperation is an ugly thing to see. Seriously though, delete/merge anyone?


I agree that it appears very misleading, but the guy is citing the following:

Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, which states that unless the accused party provides written answer or objection to charges within 30 days, the accused legally admits the matter.

[Angry Ass Messican Dude]

I was born in Dallas but I root for the Bears. Oh noes!

[Yelram]

wouldn't this be a bitch?

talk about rioting in the streets...holy shitballs

Thats what i'm getting at here, and I know some of you want to plug your ears and cover your eyes. LISTEN I voted for Obama in the primaries, I was very fond of him because I believed what he said, and he seemed pragmatic. The more I read about him, the more he seemed pretty mysterious, and like he came out of nowhere. I even argued with people that his lack of experience was a good thing, because he wouldnt be part of washingtons bickering. Then the more I paid attention, the more I started to notice how things he said were worded ambiguously, and most of the time, he got away without taking a hardline position. Then I began looking back through the money chain. From George Souros and ACORN, to very interesting large contributions from certain palestinians living in the Gaza Strip. To the possibility of his education being funded by FOREIGN AID. This guy is a plant, and i'm telling you, its going to come out, and its going to issue in a whole world of violence for us in the next few months.

[Da Raider]

a plant? he's not a plant. He doesn't have to be a plant to be a socialist.

[UNC]

the more I started to notice how things he said were worded ambiguously, and most of the time, he got away without taking a hardline position

That's all dems, in all fairness

[Yelram]

a plant? he's not a plant. He doesn't have to be a plant to be a socialist.

I just want to know how all the dems feel about obama embracing "faith based initiatives"?

[vasili denisov]

I agree that it appears very misleading, but the guy is citing the following:
Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, which states that unless the accused party provides written answer or objection to charges within 30 days, the accused legally admits the matter.That's in the context of the discovery phase, which hasn't even started yet, won't ever start because these lawsuits are nuisance suits which will get dismissed due to the utter lack of evidence.

[UNC]

I'm gonna start hating America now...just in case

[Genius]

So, can we name this thread "Loose Money"? Or how about "Pocket Change"? "Pocket Money?" Because, you know, I seem to remember "Loose Change" being taken already. Interesting how people embrace conspiracy when it's advantageous for them to do so, but call people unpatriotic anti-American nutcases when it isn't. I mean, how could it possibly be bad for Obama to address these issues? That wouldn't give them credence at all. Just like George Bush should have addressed the "government behind 9/11" "evidence". Right.

[freegood]

you can all laugh it off and dismiss it, but trust me, there are plenty of lawsuits and investigative reporters hot on the trail. Sometimes where there is smoke, there is fire. Obama is not in Hawaii for his sick grandmother, that's his cover. He's there trying to fight these charges in as low key a manner as possible. I have no idea if these charges are true or not, I just know that that the DNC should have vetted him...

I guess becoming a Senator is fucking easy or their standards are as loose as our national borders.

[Soup Nazi]

And.......what are the chances of anything resulting from these lawsuits? We should put a vbookie up.

300/1 would be a good starting point.

[taters]

Wasnt this debunked like 3 fucking weeks ago?

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/kenyan-citizenship-report-debunked/


Even if there was indeed a dual citizenship, it is one conferred by the natural operation of Keyan laws, not one that came about as a result of Omaba having made an application for a Keyan citizenship. Or is the alleged Keyan birth certificate merely a record of his birth and is not a document that automatically confers citizenship. So, even if the alleged dual citizenship exists, it exists solely by operation of laws and the operation of Keyan laws does not automatically overide or invalidate or destroy the power of US laws laws to also confer a US citizenship on Obama.


(better link)

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html


Does Barack Obama have Kenyan citizenship?
No. He held both U.S. and Kenyan citizenship as a child, but lost his Kenyan citizenship automatically on his 21st birthday.

[UNC]

yOU'RE HALF RIGHT CAUSE HE'S HALF WHITE

[Morfin]

Okay, time for a little legal explanation.

First, the admissions are a part of the discovery process. Rule 36 allows for a party to ask the other party to admit or deny an allegation. The rule provides that if no response is provided within 30 days, the requests are deemed admitted. HOWEVER...

Theree are several other issues here. First, the defendants have already filed motions to dismiss based on a lack of subject matter jurisdiction and standing. If those motions are granted -- and there is a high likelihood (as I have taken the time to read the briefs -- then these requests for admissions come to naught.

Next, while I do not know why the defendants did not respond to the requests for admissions, usually an early dismissal motion is made and if denied, the court then sets time limits for the defendants to answer the complaint and respond to the discovery requests. Therefore, the responses to the requests may not really be due even yet.

Third, while Rule 36 is worded clearly, it is not applied so arbitrarily; that is up to the judge. And, given that the case involves one of presidential qualifications, likely the judge will not allow this to decide the case.

Putting all of that aside, I have a really have a difficult time believing that in the two years that Obama has been running for President, that the Democratic Party, Hillary Clinton, the Republican Party, John McCain, and the media would not have investigated this. Does anyone really believe that any of these parties and candidates would not have pressed this issue if it were true? Does anyone really believe that Phillip Berg, someone known for filing these political lawsuits, is the one guy to expose this? Does anyone really believe that everyone is basing the whole issue of confirmation on a website called Factcheck.org? Yeah, I can see the Democratic Party saying, "Gee, we didn't look into the issue. I mean, why should we? Factcheck.org said it was true."

This is stupid. It is a waste of everyone's time. This is the 2nd or 3rd time this has been brought up in a thread.

I am truly amazed at the number of people who believe in conspiracies like this, like 9/11 being an inside job, all that crap.

[Claydon]

I am truly amazed at the number of people who believe in conspiracies like this, like 9/11 being an inside job, all that crap.

right up there with the moon landing conspiracies.

[Archetype]

Oi, don't make fun of my conspiracies, and I won't make fun of your sexuality.

[taters]

The smell of fear and desperation in conservatives is as thick as the smell of Semen in UNC's gullet!

[UNC]

The smell of fear and desperation in conservatives is as thick as the smell of Semen in UNC's gullet!

I no speako faggo

[mongo]

I no speako faggo

i no speaka kneegrow.

[Angry Ass Messican Dude]

My feeling is this, if he was in FACT born in Kenya then he should be dropped from the ticket.

If he wasn't then the people who made these accusations should be slapped.

OR if he was born in Kenya and allowed to run then we should be able to run the Governator.

[Archetype]

My feeling is this, if he was in FACT born in Kenya then he should be dropped from the ticket.

If he wasn't then the people who made these accusations should be slapped.

OR if he was born in Kenya and allowed to run then we should be able to run the Governator.
I would vote Arnold.

[Angry Ass Messican Dude]

Fuck yes you would. Who wouldn't?

A faggot that's who.

[UNC]

Demolition Man predicted that the constitution would be amended to allow it

[UNC]

NFXnjQY85mI

[Archetype]

They also predicted the microchip thing in Revelations, man.

[UNC]

Teh Bible is a good read

[Archetype]

Indeed. It's awesome when you hear folk connect every single event in it with current pop culture.

[taters]

I no speako faggo

:sniff:

Smells like my undies.

[Axel]

The Washington Times: Judge tosses lawsuit challenging Obama citizenship (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/25/judge-tosses-lawsuit-challenging-obama-citizenship/)

ASSOCIATED PRESS
Originally published 03:37 p.m., October 25, 2008, updated 03:07 p.m., October 25, 2008

PHILADELPHIA (AP) - A federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit challenging Barack Obama's qualifications to be president.

U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick on Friday night rejected the suit by attorney Philip J. Berg, who alleged that Obama was not a U.S. citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency. Berg claimed that Obama is either a citizen of his father's native Kenya or became a citizen of Indonesia after he moved there as a boy.

Obama was born in Hawaii to an American mother and a Kenyan father. His parents divorced and his mother married an Indonesian man.

Internet-fueled conspiracy theories question whether Obama is a "natural-born citizen" as required by the Constitution for a presidential candidate and whether he lost his citizenship while living abroad.

Surrick ruled that Berg lacked standing to bring the case, saying any harm from an allegedly ineligible candidate was "too vague and its effects too attenuated to confer standing on any and all voters."



Conclusion:

For the waste majority of the forum: this bullshit/chance is over by now
For Yelram, Limp and > insert your name here <: an another proof how thick is this conspiracy

[Yelram]

The Washington Times: Judge tosses lawsuit challenging Obama citizenship (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/25/judge-tosses-lawsuit-challenging-obama-citizenship/)





Conclusion:

For the waste majority of the forum: this bullshit/chance is over by now
For Yelram, Limp and > insert your name here <: an another proof how thick is this conspiracy



It was tossed only on standing, not on a lack of evidence. Its going to the 3rd circuit court of appeals next.

[kareyn01]

It was tossed only on standing, not on a lack of evidence. Its going to the 3rd circuit court of appeals next.

If you think any federal court in this country will consider Berg standing, you're sorely mistaken.

[Yelram]

If you think any federal court in this country will consider Berg standing, you're sorely mistaken.
And why not?

[Rover]

I would think that any American should have sufficient standing to challenge whether or not someone is legally able to be president.

[Morfin]

Read the opinion and find out why Berg's case was tossed. Just a suggestion.

[Spanky]

Fucking Marxist.

iivL4c_3pck

[Axel]

Spanky, you don't know a fuck about Marxism. FYI: it has nothing to do with these guys:

http://www.heanet.ie/conferences/2003/presentations/Thursday/NorrisWilson_files/images/Image33.png

Return back to playing with Mongo's cocky.

[Spanky]

I wish I was a smelly European so I could act like a know it all on every subject.

*rests chin on hands*

[Mustard]

I wish I was a smelly European so I could act like a know it all on every subject.

*rests chin on hands*
Keep your chin up senor spank, you'll be there someday! I have faith in you...

[BIG PIZZLE]

I havent read anything about the opinion but "lack of standing" is basically the court saying "dont waste my time GTFO". I'm guessing that since he's not president, the court cant stop him from being president. Once he is president, his claim to teh throne may be ripe for a challenge. But at that point, I bet the court will kick it out because there is an adequate non-judicial remedy namely: impeachment. This is just racist desperation or at the very least, delusional xenophobia (and there's not much difference). You'd think that yealram would be more tolerant, what with his ladybeard and all.

[BIG PIZZLE]

[quote=Spanky;198636]Fucking Marxist.
[quote]</p>
George H.W. Bush had a similar tax plan to Obama's and he was arguably the most loyal Republican president. Does that make Busch's daddy a marxist too?

[Archangel]

I wish I was a smelly European so I could act like a know it all on every subject.

*rests chin on hands*

Hey now. Axel's from the Balkans, so he might very well be smelly; I, certainly, am not.

[Axel]

While on the other side, nutrition based on sauerkraut and doggy meat doesn't improve ones odor. Besides, we don’t act like we know it all on every subject...






...we just know it.