The Centrals: DeRosa is the village bicycle of the Centrals

[The Dude]

You mean the files are inside the computer?

[Lone Wolf]

Here's a little oldschool Sweet Lou action, I still think he brings the sexy

http://yogibrewer.mlblogs.com/my_weblog/images/lou.jpg

[ADD]

Lou brings the sexy and the lulz

[ShitBreak]

Fuck you Jim Edmonds.

[ADD]

You wish you had the queer back! He's our queer now!

[ShitBreak]

That queer is a damn good player, but is playing on the wrong side.

Then again, Ankiel is playing just like him. So we basically got Edmonds Jr.

[One Under]

Any update on Carp? I read that he might be able to make his next start, but they were saying on the radio that they don't want to rush him back so he might rest for a while.

[ShitBreak]

Any update on Carp? I read that he might be able to make his next start, but they were saying on the radio that they don't want to rush him back so he might rest for a while.

We will find out this evening. They are pretty sure it isn't serious, but they may just push his next start back or something.

We get Wainwright back this weekend, and he is going to be our closer, so we need Carp to be healthy if we want a shot at the playoffs.

[detroitwilly]

yo andrew,
I'll be in Chi-Town this week on business training,
I went and got a ticket for myself for Wednesday's night game.
All I could get was section 242 row 5.
Ususally I don't go for upper deck but the seats looked straight to me.
at least it's 5th row.
I just want to take in the stadium and the scene. it seemed like I'd be able to see the place pretty well from there.
Plus, getting Cubs tickets was kinda tough.
Have you ever sat in that section?

[ADD]

yo andrew,
I'll be in Chi-Town this week on business training,
I went and got a ticket for myself for Wednesday's night game.
All I could get was section 242 row 5.
Ususally I don't go for upper deck but the seats looked straight to me.
at least it's 5th row.
I just want to take in the stadium and the scene. it seemed like I'd be able to see the place pretty well from there.
Plus, getting Cubs tickets was kinda tough.
Have you ever sat in that section?


I've sat in 240. That's as far down the 1st base side I've sat. You're in the last section, almost in a corner. Might be obstructed slightly.
I usually sit bleachers or in the 230's now. It's an extremely tough ticket, so beggars can't be choosers. As long as there's no pole in your face, it'll be awesome. Do you mean Wed. the 20? Cuz I think this week the Cubs are on the road :)

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/chc/ballpark/seating.jsp

[Blackface_RDJ]

try getting upper deck box in the future

almost every seat, no matter what section, gets a full view of the field

of course closer to home is ideal, but still


although i get mine through a relative who is a season ticket holder, therefore dont know how tough a buy the games are this time of year =/

[GhettoSuave]

Last team over .500 the Brewers beat? July 24th, St. Louis Cards. Fuck play somebody.

[detroitwilly]

I've sat in 240. That's as far down the 1st base side I've sat. You're in the last section, almost in a corner. Might be obstructed slightly.
I usually sit bleachers or in the 230's now. It's an extremely tough ticket, so beggars can't be choosers. As long as there's no pole in your face, it'll be awesome. Do you mean Wed. the 20? Cuz I think this week the Cubs are on the road :)

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/chc/ballpark/seating.jsp


yea, I'm there from the 19th through the 22nd.
I'm going to the Reds game.
I looked into the seats a little and learned that the obstruction is after row 6 and I'm in row 5, so I think I'm cool.

[Hanover Fist]

So the Tigers started cleaning house yesterday eh?
Sheff on waivers along with several other players to be named later?
Finally calling it quits on 2008, most disappointing team in baseball this year? I think so.

[ShitBreak]

Anthony Reyes is starting for the Tribe tonight. I hope he does well.

[One Under]

Anthony Reyes is starting for the Tribe tonight. I hope he does well.


I have a feeling that getting rid of him could bite us in the ass, he was having a rough season, but there was plenty of potential there.

Dan Haren #2.

[ShitBreak]

No. Not in Duncan's system. Reyes has always been a high-strike pitcher, and that is something Duncan has been a fan of. When they tried to change him, he wouldn't do well, and would end up going back to his high fastball.

He just wasn't going to work out here. I think he has the potential to be a middle of the rotation guy, but...not in St. Louis.

Danny Haren and Kiko Calero for Mark Mulder. Yeah. That worked out GREAT.

[One Under]

I trust Duncan more than anyone else, so if he thought he wasn't going to work, then it was probably the right decision.

We really do have to make some moves this offseason and spend some actual money. Izzy's huge salary will be off the books, so we have to at least spend that much on some more relief. It's frustrating never going after any big name players, we have the money to run with the big clubs, but we never even try.

[ADD]

Go Cubs, go!

[Genius]

My Reds suck so bad it makes my back hurt. Fucking back.

[GhettoSuave]

Hows Duty Baker doing? Still preaching against taking walks and playin "his boy" Patterson?

[Sex Cannon]

Dan Haren #2.

That's a joke right?

[BiōHazard]

Great thread title.

New thread. Same cubs pwnage.
GO CUBS.

[ADD]

The Braves are just done and really suck

[BiōHazard]

BENCH TEH AZN.
.236 in Jul and starting .093 in Aug.

SIG'd

[UNC]

http://img210.imagevenue.com/loc379/th_76845_untitled_122_379lo.JPG (http://img210.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=76845_untitled_122_379lo.JPG)

Sorry Zaph

[BiōHazard]

BENCH TEH AZN.
.236 in Jul and starting .093 in Aug.

SIG'd

Now i feel like an asshole. He's 2-3 in the second game.

*inserts foot in mouth*
I still think we should rest him and let reed have a go for a week or so

[lilchip]

The Braves have mailed it in. Bobby Cox has had a great career but it may be time to hang it up for good. Cubs won't need much to win tomorrow against this club.

[ADD]

Now if the fucking Brewers and C.C. would lose a game

[BiōHazard]

he will lose. He just needs to play a teams well over .500(with an offense)
Last time that happened, he didn't get a win.

Edit:Besides the Cards.

[ADD]

But I want him to lose now!

[BiōHazard]

But I want him to lose now!
Well once the fat fuck gay vegetarian sex fad wears out, so will his chances of winning

[BiōHazard]

http://www.largefeet.com/images/carlos_zambrano_family.jpg

God his family is ugly.

[MDiver01]

I hear the Astros are an awesome team. At least thats what I hear.

[ninja33]

Last team over .500 the Brewers beat? July 24th, St. Louis Cards. Fuck play somebody.

bitch, bitch...the brewers schedule was much harder in the first half, it had to even out at some point. Look at the cubs first two months of the season...besides the games with the brewers (when the brewers took care of business) its all pittsburgh this, NL West that, throw in some cincinnati and washington for good measure. Very similar to the brewers last 3 weeks or so when the only good team theyve had to play is the cubs (when the cubs REALLY took care of business). It all evens out, now its the brewers turn to beat up on the NL West (except they get to deal with manny on the dodgers).

You won't be complaining about the schedules when both teams have a 3 city road trip in the middle of september. That will be the brewers FIFTH of the year...the cubs have only had one to deal with (and one of the cities was....chicago!). and no, im not trying to make excuses for the brewers, the cubs are the better team, this much was clear two weeks ago. Doesnt mean the brewers cant change that and win the division in september though.

[detroitwilly]

So the Tigers started cleaning house yesterday eh?
Sheff on waivers along with several other players to be named later?
Finally calling it quits on 2008, most disappointing team in baseball this year? I think so.


putting Sheffield on waivers isn't cleaning house.

it's the equivelant of digging a big bugger out of your nose and holding it up offering it out to everyone in order to gross them out.
you know that nobody will take it, your just holding it out there, because you have no use for it.

waivers mean nothing.

am I dissappointed?

of course, aren't you?

[UNC]

Jump on the Cubs Bandwagon!

[A-Ron]

Fuck you Jim Edmonds.

At least he's not sucking the life out of the Cards anymore. We bought 7 kids to play for his ridiculous salary. And they don't get hurt.

[ShitBreak]

Sucking the life out of the Cards? The fuck are you talking about? He had one season where he was injured and not playing well. That doesn't neglect the fact that the other 6 or 7 years he was here, he was one of the best CFs in the game, and is one of the best Cardinals players of all time.

[ADD]

Hey, Will & Grace, get a room

[A-Ron]

At 6 million dollars I would expect to have an everyday center fielder that didn't strike out 2+ times per game and averaged more than 130 games per season. Not really asking that much.

[Stax]

$6 million is really not all that much.

[A-Ron]

I just think it is better invested in the future of the team rather than on continuing the "diving over the shoulder catch and constantly out for 15 games" legacy. Ludwig's got what like 29 home runs and if Ankiel can keep his head on his shoulders, they have a good outfield.

[ShitBreak]

Ludwig?

Just shut the fuck up. If you can't recognize what Edmonds did for the Cardinals, then you should just stop talking. Edmonds, just based off of his career with St. Louis should have gotten a contract extension JUST so he could retire in St. Louis.

The outfield isn't good. LF sucks. I'd much rather have Ludwick/Edmonds/Ankiel this year then the shit we have now.

[GhettoSuave]

bitch, bitch...the brewers schedule was much harder in the first half, it had to even out at some point. Look at the cubs first two months of the season...besides the games with the brewers (when the brewers took care of business) its all pittsburgh this, NL West that, throw in some cincinnati and washington for good measure. Very similar to the brewers last 3 weeks or so when the only good team theyve had to play is the cubs (when the cubs REALLY took care of business). It all evens out, now its the brewers turn to beat up on the NL West (except they get to deal with manny on the dodgers).

You won't be complaining about the schedules when both teams have a 3 city road trip in the middle of september. That will be the brewers FIFTH of the year...the cubs have only had one to deal with (and one of the cities was....chicago!). and no, im not trying to make excuses for the brewers, the cubs are the better team, this much was clear two weeks ago. Doesnt mean the brewers cant change that and win the division in september though.

Dont come in here with your "facts" and what not. You answer with pure emotion and homerism or dont post at all.

[Stax]

Goddamit, the White Sox hit 4 HR in a row. Now we're gonna see some Chase Wright highlights on Sportscenter to remind me of my greatest psychic moment that ended up as major failsauce the very next game.

[ADD]

And the 4th HR in the set came from Juan Uribe. KC is awful.

In other new Cubs once again raping the Braves, but Rammy got hurt :(

[UNC]

And the 4th HR in the set came from Juan Uribe. KC is awful.

In other new Cubs once again raping the Braves, but Rammy got hurt :(

How bad?

[ADD]

How bad?

We don't know yet. Hopefully he just knocked the win out of himself.

[Sex Cannon]

I'm surprised after Lilly hit Escobar no one on the Braves came back at Lee or Soriano in the next inning.

In other news the White Sox are really pissing me off with these baby games against KC. I realize you're in the business of winning ball games but Quentin got hit again today and they still did nothing. Adam Russell came in and the guy is literally 6'8 of fuck you fastball. (I like that even more after reading it.) His era is like 5, let him drill someone, get suspended and we'll call it a day.

I got all excited for nothing.

[ADD]

First ever season sweep over the Braves for the Cubs

Nice! Big success!

[lilchip]

Chicagosports.com ~ Aramis Ramirez injured his left hip sliding into home in the fifth inning of the Cubs' game against the Braves in Atlanta on Thursday night.

He is listed as day-to-day.

Olbermann used to say when he was actually funny - "Then again, we're all day-to-day"

[ShitBreak]

Bout damn time the Brew Crew lost a fucking game.

Only 3 back now of the wildcard. With Cincy and Pittsburgh coming up, I'm hoping we have closed the gap, or surpassed it within the next 14 days.

[Pollo]

glad to see we won't be facing the Sabathia-Sheets duo this weekend. heck either way, I'd like to take 2 out of the 3 games at least.

[ADD]

Do the world a favor and take all 3. You're in a pennant race for Christ's sake.

[UNC]

Wow....The Cubs are realllllyyy making me wanna believe!

[ADD]

If you jinx it, I'll hit you in the nuts with a wiffle ball bat and submit it to America's Funniest Home Videos.

[GhettoSuave]

I'll believe when the Angels catch the black plague.

[Sex Cannon]

So this Carlos Quentin guy is still doing pretty well for himself.

[Pollo]

So this Carlos Quentin guy is still doing pretty well for himself.

I guess the White Sox avenged themselves of getting rid of Chris Young to get Quentin from Arizona. not too shabby at all.

[goldsoundz]

i can't think of a player in the al that has contributed more to his teams success this year than quentin. therefore, at this point i consider him the frontrunner for mvp

[Pollo]

Josh Hamilton can probably contest to that, but you're right ... Quentin is most likely the choice.

[Davio]

Brew Crew need to get back on track tonight against Houston after that tough series against LA

[Sex Cannon]

i can't think of a player in the al that has contributed more to his teams success this year than quentin. therefore, at this point i consider him the frontrunner for mvp


I think Jayson Stark gave him the nod the other day. If the Sox win the central it helps his cause a ton. Hamilton and Kinsler are both beasts though. I'd have to check JD Drews numbers too. I was saying Quentin was in the hunt (along with Dye) a while back and no one really seemed to agree.

Tonight he hits number 35 and it was his 11TH first pitch home run. I love his aggressive nature at the plate. He got hit 6 games in a row, a couple were intentional a couple were not. He just digs in and stays put. Might be dangerous but man he's an animal this season.

edit: Drew's numbers aren't as impressive as I thought. Texas has 3 real legit contenders (take a look at the article posted in the AL MVP poll thread)

[BiōHazard]

Brew Crew need to get back on track tonight against Houston after that tough series against LA
No. They need to start sucking. like more than they already do. which is like mega suck.

[Stax]

Even if the Brewers fall to last place, Ryan Braun is a winner.

http://img111.imagevenue.com/loc1118/th_23950_braun_080908_big_122_1118lo.jpg (http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=23950_braun_080908_big_122_1118lo.jp g) http://img141.imagevenue.com/loc1071/th_23965_braun2_080908_big_122_1071lo.jpg (http://img141.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=23965_braun2_080908_big_122_1071lo.j pg)

[ninja33]

that commercial was shot in my hometown, ive played softball on that field before. therefore marissa miller was standing in a spot i once stood. which basically means she has to marry me now.

[ShitBreak]

Depending on how they got along off the set....it might be the cause to Braun all of a sudden having torso problems.

[ninja33]

worth it.

[ShitBreak]

Totally.

[ADD]

Even if the Brewers fall to last place, Ryan Braun is a winner.

http://img111.imagevenue.com/loc1118/th_23950_braun_080908_big_122_1118lo.jpg (http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=23950_braun_080908_big_122_1118lo.jp g) http://img141.imagevenue.com/loc1071/th_23965_braun2_080908_big_122_1071lo.jpg (http://img141.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=23965_braun2_080908_big_122_1071lo.j pg)

He's acting.

[Stax]

He's acting.

Yes. Thank you. He's acting in a commercial.

[ADD]

Yes. Thank you. He's acting in a commercial.

No, he's pretending to be straight, dipshit

[Stax]

No, he's pretending to be straight, dipshit

Oh. lol gay joke.

[BSM]

Something cool from the Inverted Cactus, aka Wrigley -

HHJ5oHFpCM0

[MDiver01]

what a dumb shit. way to ruin a beer.

[Hawk the Slayer]

Well, being from St. Louis (and therefore a Cardinals fan and Cubs hater), I'd like to give a quick comment on the "Jason Isringhausen done for year" story. Basically, he's pitched like a steaming pile of horse crap this year... blown a multitude of what should have been easy saves. Now it comes out that (a) he's got a torn elbow tendon; (b) his elbow has been hurting for awhile; (c) he didn't tell anyone about it; and (d) he needs season-ending surgery.
...
I'm having Scott Rolen flashbacks now. (Played like crap for months, before it was found out his shoulder was shredded - and told nobody.) A lot of locals are saying "Izzy is a warrior... don't hate on him... he's a nice guy... he did the best he could". I'm calling bullshit. If you're hurt, and you KNOW you're hurt, and it's affecting how you play - then you've gotta tell the manager. If you don't, you're being selfish. As far as I'm concerned, Izzy can go pitch for Toronto next year, and join his good buddies Rolen and Eckstein.
...
I understand the whole "you've gotta play hurt" thing... bruises, sore muscles, the whole nine - but trying to pitch with a torn elbow tendon? No thanks. Go blow saves for somebody else next year.

[GhettoSuave]

I personally, would like to thank Izzy for being a warrior.... never seen someone fight so hard to keep his team out of the playoffs.

[ShitBreak]

Oh give me a break. Isringhausen wasn't the only person sucking in the bullpen. Although it fucks up your whole entire pitching staff when your really good closer goes down with an injury. That makes everyone have to change their roles, and all that jazz.

That's why, as long as Carpenter can come back at the end of the month, Wainwright and Perez will do WONDERS for our bullpen, by having one of them close out games.

We are still only 2.5 games out of the wildcard. Don't count us out yet.

Although it seems people are so quickly to forget that a lot of people were picking StL to finish almost dead last in the Central this year.

[ADD]

Jason Marquis does well too. So well he's always OFF the playoff roster.

I wonder if Marquis and Howry will go fishing, golfing or bowling together when Lou tells them to sit home in October.

[Hawk the Slayer]

Oh give me a break. Isringhausen wasn't the only person sucking in the bullpen. Although it fucks up your whole entire pitching staff when your really good closer goes down with an injury. That makes everyone have to change their roles, and all that jazz.

That's why, as long as Carpenter can come back at the end of the month, Wainwright and Perez will do WONDERS for our bullpen, by having one of them close out games.

We are still only 2.5 games out of the wildcard. Don't count us out yet.

Although it seems people are so quickly to forget that a lot of people were picking StL to finish almost dead last in the Central this year.
Very true - Villone has sucked, Franklin has sucked for the last month... about the only guys in the bullpen I trust are Springer and McClellan - and that's not because they're great, it's because they're consistently competent. I honestly don't think Carpenter is going to make a huge difference; I hope he starts 7 more games and blows the league away, but it's more likely either (a) he shuts it down for the year, or (b) he makes a few average starts, THEN has to shut it down. Which is why I expect Wainwright to rejoin the rotation, and Perez to close, with the rest of the bullpen trying to hang on for dear life in the 6th-8th innings.
...
I'm not counting the Cards out - I mean, look at what they did in '06. I had them figured for 75-80 wins before the season started, so I'm pleasantly surprised by how well they've done. Most likely scenario, though? They finish with about 90 wins, and miss the playoffs. Still a damn good year when you consider they were expected to be crappy.

[Pollo]

I know St. Louis' bullpen has been disastrous, but how many blown saves have they had? I forget the statistic since we just played the Cardinals recently.

[ADD]

Is it more than Eric Gagne?

[ShitBreak]

We have the most blown saves in the major leagues.

[Pollo]

I think I remember it being at least 20, or some number around there.

[ShitBreak]

We have 27, leading the majors. Texas has 24, and Seattle and Washington have 22.

[Hawk the Slayer]

I know St. Louis' bullpen has been disastrous, but how many blown saves have they had? I forget the statistic since we just played the Cardinals recently.
At the moment, the Cards have 34 saves and 27 (!) blown saves. Next closest in the NL is Washington, with 22 blown saves. Gagne, by comparison, has 10 saves and 5 blown saves.
...
So, the Cards' bullpen is averaging roughly 5 saves in 9 chances; Gagne would be at 6 saves per 9 chances. Yikes. I didn't know it was THAT bad.
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EDIT: multi-ninja'd :(

[Pollo]

and yet St. Louis didn't go out and get a guy like Rauch or some other bullpen guys that would of been greatly beneficial?

if you guys make the postseason, that bullpen isn't going to cut it, especially if you face a team like the Cubs, Mets, or Phillies.

[Hawk the Slayer]

and yet St. Louis didn't go out and get a guy like Rauch or some other bullpen guys that would of been greatly beneficial?

if you guys make the postseason, that bullpen isn't going to cut it, especially if you face a team like the Cubs, Mets, or Phillies.
No kidding. The local opinion is that the current ownership is looking to keep costs relatively low for 4-5 years (until the loan on the new Busch stadium is paid off), at which point they'll sell the team - and the sale will be easier if their payroll is $90m instead of $120m. The new stadium is awesome, but fans are getting tired of patchwork solutions (Todd Wellemeyer, Ron Villone, Cesar Izturis) to major holes in the lineup (rotation, bullpen, shortstop). It reached a boiling point when within a couple of days of each other, the Brewers got Sabathia, the Cubs got Harden, and the Cards got... jack squat.

[ShitBreak]

and yet St. Louis didn't go out and get a guy like Rauch or some other bullpen guys that would of been greatly beneficial?

if you guys make the postseason, that bullpen isn't going to cut it, especially if you face a team like the Cubs, Mets, or Phillies.

That also has to do with our starters not going very far into ballgames lately. It's one of those things where if just one cog stops working, the whole entire system is fucked.

I honest to god think if Carpenter comes back and can go the rest of the way, and then add Perez and Wainwright to the bullpen, that we will have one of the best "upgrades" to a pitching staff in general than anyone else did at the trade deadline.

GM Mozeliak kept saying that Carpenter and Wainwright were basically "the trades" we were gonna make. If they both come back effectively, he will be dead-on.

[Sex Cannon]

The southside 16 inch softball team is on fire right now.

[ADD]

The Mariners cure all ills

[goldsoundz]

too bad they couldn't make up any ground cause the twins played a's who are almost as bad. but i would rather see minnesota win the wild card than boston.

[ADD]

No kidding. Luckily, the Twins are about to go on a 15 day 14 game road trip.


And fucking Reds.

[Pollo]

not necessarily the hardest road trip: 4 @ Angels, 3 @ Mariners, 4 @ A's, and 3 @ Jays. they'd be lucky to split vs. the Angels, but the other series are very manageable.

[Sex Cannon]

Like every other team they suck on the road though. They're almost unbeatable in the hump dome but they'll definitely struggle at Anaheim and Toronto.

The sox need to pick up 3 games during that trip.

[ShitBreak]

I guess the Cardinals figured that they needed Wainwright now rather than later, especially since Lohse got suspended for his next game.

Wainwright starts tomorrow.

[Hawk the Slayer]

I guess the Cardinals figured that they needed Wainwright now rather than later, especially since Lohse got suspended for his next game.

Wainwright starts tomorrow.
Told you so.
I honestly don't think Carpenter is going to make a huge difference; I hope he starts 7 more games and blows the league away, but it's more likely either (a) he shuts it down for the year, or (b) he makes a few average starts, THEN has to shut it down. Which is why I expect Wainwright to rejoin the rotation, and Perez to close, with the rest of the bullpen trying to hang on for dear life in the 6th-8th innings.
Let's assume Carpenter's not going to be ready for another week or two. Put Wainwright in the bullpen, and your rotation is Lohse - Wellemeyer - Looper - Piniero - Thompson. Put Wainwright in the rotation, and let Perez close, and it's Wainwright - Lohse - Wellemeyer - Looper - (Piniero or Thompson). Carpenter comes back? Now it's Wainwright - Carpenter - Lohse - Wellemeyer - Looper.
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Damn. I LIKE that last rotation. A lot. Even if the Cards miss the playoffs this year, I hope they can keep that group together for '09. (Yes, I know the chances of Lohse pitching for the Redbirds in '09 are infinitesimally small. But I can hope.)

[GhettoSuave]

Zambrano just went deep again..... grown ass man.... well not mentally.

[ADD]

He could be the Venezuelan Forrest Gump for all I care as long as he hits strikes and goes deep. Most HRs for an active pitcher. DeRosa's bomb was sweet to.

Go Cubs, wrap this shit up already.

[GhettoSuave]

Wood faced Patterson and Bako in the 9th.... really? Id never felt so sure of a save in my life.

[ADD]

Patterson missing that pop up was the lulz

[ADD]

Oh, and since no one follows the Pirates, they traded Jose Bautista to the Blue Jays for a PTBL today

[BiōHazard]

The what-rites? and Who for Who?
Since when where there teams added to the NL Central? I thought it was only Cards Cubs and Crew

[Blackface_RDJ]

i thought the pirates were moved to the Gulf Coast league

[ADD]

They should be at this point. Their should be some rule against all the talent they trade for very little. They're like the new Expos. If I was a Bucs fan, I'd be livid.

[Pollo]

They should be at this point. Their should be some rule against all the talent they trade for very little. They're like the new Expos. If I was a Bucs fan, I'd be livid.

heck I don't think the rest of the league minds the incompetent GMs in any sport. if you know your team keeps on giving the talent, then there's no point in being a fan and hoping they turn it around.

[Hawk the Slayer]

Since when where there teams added to the NL Central? I thought it was only Cards Cubs and Crew
This is correct. The Reds, Pirates, and Astros are figments of your imagination.
If I was a Bucs fan, I'd be livid.
See, there's a logical flaw in this statement. There ARE no Bucs fans - only poor, deluded souls who live within 20 miles of downtown Pittsburgh, who think that the "Pittsburgh Pirates" are actually a major league baseball team. True baseball fans know that they are in fact a AAA farm team jointly owned by the other 28 real franchises. The other AAA farm team posing as an MLB operation? The Kansas City Royals, of course. Sad thing is, I grew up in KC and used to love that team. George Brett, Frank White, Bret Saberhagen, Willie Wilson, etc. The current ownership (David Glass, WalMart heir) has absolutely run them into the ground. It's like the evil bitch owner from "Major League", but in real life.

[Fletch]

Their trades at the deadline this year were not too bad. Still, the Pirates are simply something to have on the TV in the background while doing something else, from the end of the NBA and NHL playoffs to the start of football season. Nothing more, nothing less.

Except when they have ladies night...lots of drunk middle aged woman at the ballpark...mmmmm.

[ADD]

FUCKING JASON FUCKING MARQUIS

[Hawk the Slayer]

FUCKING JASON FUCKING MARQUIS
Gotta say, this made me laugh out loud. Brought a smile to my face. See, there's a reason that all Cardinals fans were DANCING FOR FREAKING JOY when Marquis signed with the Cubs a couple of years back. That should be a giant red warning light on a free-agent acquisition... "what do you mean, the fans of his former team are overjoyed he signed with us? We're their arch-rivals!"

[ADD]

I'd still rather have Marsuck over your pen

[Hawk the Slayer]

I'd still rather have Marsuck over your pen
Touche'. About the only way the Cards win anymore is when they blow teams away (like the 11-2 win over Pittsburgh on Wednesday) or come from behind. Close lead, late in game? It's almost a guaranteed loss.

[Ch_ris]

mmmmmmm nothing quite like getting your tits lit against the awesome Nationals. fucking marquis how has he not pitched his way out of the rotation yet?

[Pollo]

mmmmmmm nothing quite like getting your tits lit against the awesome Nationals. fucking marquis how has he not pitched his way out of the rotation yet?

especially considering the Nationals have lost nearly all their games this month.

[ADD]

mmmmmmm nothing quite like getting your tits lit against the awesome Nationals. fucking marquis how has he not pitched his way out of the rotation yet?

Too much money due, a year left on his deal and there's no other real option at the moment.

[Blackface_RDJ]

he pitched ok yesterday, cotts was the one that blew it


marquis isnt going to be lights out, but you gotta know when hes had it for the day

[ADD]

He didn't pitch ok. The 4 runs that tied the game were all charged to him. Cotts tried to slide a pitch in with the bases loaded, and it didn't break enough. Marquis is shit.

edit: He also walked the bases loaded, it's not like the Nationals were hitting him.

[ADD]

Cubs first team to 80 wins. Last year, the team that did that won it all.

[BiōHazard]

Cubs first team to 80 wins. Last year, the team that did that won it all.

*knocks on wood*

Derosa with 4th straight game with a HR. TITS.

[ADD]

Fucking asshole faggot Brewers just won again. I hope Wickie Reeks gets SARS. Hopefully we have the same success with the Bucs.

[Davio]

bitch, bitch...the brewers schedule was much harder in the first half, it had to even out at some point. Look at the cubs first two months of the season...besides the games with the brewers (when the brewers took care of business) its all pittsburgh this, NL West that, throw in some cincinnati and washington for good measure. Very similar to the brewers last 3 weeks or so when the only good team theyve had to play is the cubs (when the cubs REALLY took care of business). It all evens out, now its the brewers turn to beat up on the NL West (except they get to deal with manny on the dodgers).

You won't be complaining about the schedules when both teams have a 3 city road trip in the middle of september. That will be the brewers FIFTH of the year...the cubs have only had one to deal with (and one of the cities was....chicago!). and no, im not trying to make excuses for the brewers, the cubs are the better team, this much was clear two weeks ago. Doesnt mean the brewers cant change that and win the division in september though.

Very well put, it did have to balance out at some point, I think Cubs fans are just nervious cause they can smell a collapse coming on as can I ;)

[ADD]

No. We're not nervous. You guys once again won't do shit.

[Davio]

No. We're not nervous. You guys once again won't do shit.

Well, I believe you did just get RAPED by Washington what was it? something like 13 -3 the other day? Case closed :)

[ADD]

Wow, one game. 13-5 with Jason Marquis. I seem to remember a certain shitty team from Milwaukee getting raped by the Cubs in their own park last series. Case anything but closed.

[Davio]

I also seem to remember the Brewers taking 2 of 3 from your Cubbies those first two series this year, what you got to say to that?

[ADD]

It was early in the season. The Cubs have obviously gotten better and are the class of the NL. You guys make one trade and seem to forget how abysmal your bullpen is and you still would have to catch us (which won't happen). For you guys to be "better" at this point, we just crushed your asses. Enjoy golfing Sept. 29.

[Davio]

Yeah but regular season and post season play are totally different, the Cubs are not exactly known for coming through in the clutch. I just pray you guys play the D-Backs in the first round and get crushed like last year. Randy Johnson is something like 16-0 vs you guys remember :) thank you come again

[ADD]

At least we get to the playoffs

[Davio]

Nice come back .... everyone knows the Brewers have been a joke for a long while now, at least we have been to a World Series in the past 100 years. You guys came close a few years ago, but as usual you CHOKED, two words STEVE BARTMAN.

[ShitBreak]

Is a Brewers fan talking shit? REALLY?

Wow. That's just fucking sad.

[Davio]

YES I am, I have a right to, my team is coming up finally after 25 years of practically being an afterthought.

[ADD]

Coming up to what?

This is why people hate Brewers fans. The team has one decent season, and their retard fans think they're a class team and franchise.

[ADD]

Nice come back .... everyone knows the Brewers have been a joke for a long while now, at least we have been to a World Series in the past 100 years. You guys came close a few years ago, but as usual you CHOKED, two words STEVE BARTMAN.

Seriously, you must drink drain-o to be this dumb

[Davio]

You know what I mean, they are coming up in the MLB world, they are not just an afterthought anymore, they have good players and good ownership finally. They are poised to be good team now and in the future.

[ADD]

Good not great.

And besides, at least my team has loyal fans through thick and thin. Your's on the other hand, until last year couldn't fill that beautiful park to save your lives unless the Cubs or Yankees were in town. Except for about 25 of you, you're a bunch of fucking bandwagoners and you guys know it. I love how Brewer fans act like they've been there forever. My ass. I went to County Stadium a lot as a kid. Your so called fan base is a joke. Maybe the biggest joke in the league. I'd say the Marlins, but even when they buy a title no one goes.

[Penguin Rick]

Haha, I can't wait til CC and Sheets leave and you got no other choice but to kill yourself.

[Sex Cannon]

You know what I mean, they are coming up in the MLB world, they are not just an afterthought anymore, they have good players and good ownership finally. They are poised to be good team now and in the future.


You're a retard for bringing up Steve Bartman.


We'll see where they stand once Sabathia and Sheets both bounce out after this season and you're left with a horrendous manager in Ned Yost.

When Matt LaPorta is dropping bombs in Cleveland you might feel different.

edit: And Ricky beats me to it

[favre4life96]

people hate brewer fans?????? I think that there are a lot more that dislike cubs fans than brewer fans.....as far as the the two teams go, we got 7 more head to head matchups the rest of the way to see who the better team is.
The cubs are one freak injury or freak play away from starting their annual collapse that happens every year

[Davio]

Seriously, you must drink drain-o to be this dumb
yeah that made sense .... are ALL Chicago fans this moronic?

[ADD]

At fatass gets a trade because 1) you couldn't keep any pitchers or 2) pay his ridiculous demands.

[ShitBreak]

You are still the fucking Brewers, and are still in a division with the Cubs and Cardinals. You ain't coming up to shit.

[ADD]

yeah that made sense .... are ALL Chicago fans this moronic?

You're the one who brings up Bartman, 100 Years, etc. No real Cub fans by into that shit. But it seems to be everyone else's excuse. Why didn't you bring up the "curse of the goat" for good measure?

[favre4life96]

if we lose CC and sheets, yeah it will suck, but then we end up with 4 compensation draft picks in the top of the draft.....and they way we have been drafting lately, that could end up pretty good. Besides, we will still have a decent rotation with gallardo, bush, suppan, parra, and im sure a free agent we will sign to fill the rotation

[Penguin Rick]

people hate brewer fans?????? I think that there are a lot more that dislike cubs fans than brewer fans.....as far as the the two teams go, we got 7 more head to head matchups the rest of the way to see who the better team is.
The cubs are one freak injury or freak play away from starting their annual collapse that happens every year

Who collapsed last year?

[Pollo]

Haha, I can't wait til CC and Sheets leave and you got no other choice but to kill yourself.

plus they'll most likely deal Fielder this offseason.

[Sex Cannon]

Compensation picks are just a little different than proven major league talent. only a little though.

[ADD]

people hate brewer fans?????? I think that there are a lot more that dislike cubs fans than brewer fans.....as far as the the two teams go, we got 7 more head to head matchups the rest of the way to see who the better team is.
The cubs are one freak injury or freak play away from starting their annual collapse that happens every year

And the Brewers aren't? Most teams aren't one injury away from collapse?

And 7 head to head games which neither team will win all, but also 4.5 you would need to make up in the process. Lot's o' luck. I can't wait to be giving you guys shit in Milwaukee when I'm up there the final day of the regular season. It'll be the best $28 I've ever given to Miller Park.

[Davio]

Good not great.

And besides, at least my team has loyal fans through thick and thin. Your's on the other hand, until last year couldn't fill that beautiful park to save your lives unless the Cubs or Yankees were in town. Except for about 25 of you, you're a bunch of fucking bandwagoners and you guys know it. I love how Brewer fans act like they've been there forever. My ass. I went to County Stadium a lot as a kid. Your so called fan base is a joke. Maybe the biggest joke in the league. I'd say the Marlins, but even when they buy a title no one goes.
yes, but I am NOT a band wagon fan, I'm a Milwaukee Bucks fan too, you've gotta ride out the tough years and hope for a good one, I know that.

[ADD]

yes, but I am NOT a band wagon fan, I'm a Milwaukee Bucks fan too, you've gotta ride out the tough years and hope for a good one, I know that.


Great. Now tell that to 90% of the other idiots that go to your games now.

[favre4life96]

well considering that our last few early round draft picks are hardy, gallardo, fielder, braun, and la porta, i have faith in the brewers front office to get quality in the draft

[nuclearjew]

Who collapsed last year?
The Mets. Thanks for reminding me, asshole.

[favre4life96]

its two sided...getting swept in the first round of the playoffs can be considered a collapse as well....

[ADD]

Yea, we were the first team ever to be swept in the playoffs...

[favre4life96]

i didnt say that did i? just said it was a collapse....pulling zambrano "to keep him fresh" Lou Pinella is a great manager, Id take him over yost any day of the week, but that was a bone head move.

[favre4life96]

either way we can agree on this....we are lucky that we have several games left between the crew and the cubs to decide who is the better team....and that it is going to be an exciting month to watch both teams

[Davio]

I agree, that last series they have is going to be CRAZY

[ADD]

The one in Milwaukee? September 26-28? It will be meaningless.

[Davio]

The one in Milwaukee? September 26-28? It will be meaningless.
Why you say that? I wouldnt get too cocky, the Brewers have hung with the Cubbies for the most part all year.

[favre4life96]

ya know he might be right, meaningless cuz the brewers would have the division wrapped up already

[ADD]

LULZ

You guys are funny. In a special ed. sort of way.

[Davio]

Its all good, I thought his comment was funny, cause there is still a lot of baseball to be played, it could happen

[ADD]

And C.C. could re-sign with you guys

[Davio]

LOW BLOW man

[ADD]

I'm just sayin'

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f75/slickcmk/BrewersBeerCheese.gif

Actually, for C.C. it might work

[Davio]

I can hope man, I can hope, at least they should resign Sheets

[ADD]

They should indeed. But word is they won't.

[ShitBreak]

All the series left between the Cubs and Brewers makes me happy.

Because the Cubs will win most of them, therefore letting St. Louis sneak in and take the wildcard.

So yeah...those Brewers are so good, that they will be sitting at home when the playoffs start.

[ADD]

I wouldn't pencil yourselves into the WC just yet. Whoever loses between the Mets and Phillies should have something to say about it. It's a shame they have to let a team from the West in.

[MDiver01]

this is entertaining

[MDiver01]

The more I think about the more I dont think Wade is a dumbshit for trading for Wolf.

The guy we traded was a nobody pitcher who would probably never make it to the bigs so its not like we lost anything there but if Wolf doesnt accept arb. then we get another pick but if he does then we get a "decent" no. 5 starter for cheap.

[ADD]

If Wolf doesn't accept, it's a great move. If he does, it's a terrible move. I guess we'll find out in the fall.

[MDiver01]

I dont think he will because the Stros are gonna suck for sometime now(although a lot of players are about money) and he basically hinted that he didnt want to leave the west coast.

[ADD]

At this point in his career though, he'd just take the money most likely. He wanted to be in LA, they let him go, SD's not an option. SF and AZ don't need him. He's stuck unless he wants to go to the AL. And then again, who out there needs him?

[MDiver01]

A's? Anyways like I said he would be a better no. 5 option than what we have now. Paulino will probably be hurt again and has been out of the game for awhile now. Sampson maybe but doubtful.

[ADD]

The A's have like 95 young pitchers. Beane's not going to go after Randy Wolf.

[MDiver01]

I know just let me have my dreams. M's?

[Pollo]

The more I think about the more I dont think Wade is a dumbshit for trading for Wolf.

The guy we traded was a nobody pitcher who would probably never make it to the bigs so its not like we lost anything there but if Wolf doesnt accept arb. then we get another pick but if he does then we get a "decent" no. 5 starter for cheap.

what I do know is that Houston needs as many draft picks to refill that farm system Wade destroyed this past offseason in deals.

[MDiver01]

It wasnt so much as Wade but McLane and the past 3 GMs. McLane is all about spend shits load of money and win now instead of making the Astros a great franchise down the road. He spend loads on Lee, Berkman, and Roy but 3 guys arent going to win a championship especailly when they are close to going over their prime if not there already.

Thats why I said earlier that even though I love Berkman and Roy-O and wish they would retire as Astros we need to trade them and Tejada. We would get a shit load prospects and/or draft picks. It may take us years to get back to the top but we would and have lots of money saved from signing said prospects. Unless we get a new smart owner or some super GM the Astros are never going to win a title.

But I'm afraid that if we do get a new owner that the Astros wont stay in Houston unless they realize the fan base that is there, seeing as how they still manage getting over 35000+ fans which I have no idea how they do. Probably only because we went to the WS 3 years ago. But now that the old reminisce of the Astros that were are gone and we arent making the playoffs I think the numbers are going to drop.

[MDiver01]

and I'm sure McLane will those some major cash at Sheets and C.C. With our luck if we do sign one it will be Sheets instead of C.C.

[Davio]

and I'm sure McLane will those some major cash at Sheets and C.C. With our luck if we do sign one it will be Sheets instead of C.C.
I dont care as long as they sign one of them, I mean I would rather have CC probably but he's going to want way too much money, I bet he ends up with the Yankees *shudders*

[Stax]

The Yankees had better fucking buy someone this offseason. Moose has found his control so maybe next year he keeps at least some of this goodness, but the rotation is in fucking shambles. I'm perfectly happy to pilfer Brewers talent to do it.

[ShitBreak]

The Yankees had better fucking buy someone this offseason. Moose has found his control so maybe next year he keeps at least some of this goodness, but the rotation is in fucking shambles. I'm perfectly happy to pilfer Brewers talent to do it.

And this is why they will continue to suffer. Keep trying to buy talent. I'm fine with it. I love seeing the Yankees continue to fail.

[Stax]

And this is why they will continue to suffer. Keep trying to buy talent. I'm fine with it. I love seeing the Yankees continue to fail.

You're a retard OSUmike. CC Sabathia is 27 and (barring being retards and giving him like a 10 year deal) every single year he will have under contract will be in his prime or plateau period. Sheets is a bit farther along at 29, but has a fantastic K/BB rate and again will still have almost nothing but good-age years under contract.

Young, homegrown talent is not magical, it fills a need just like any other. I was all for hanging onto Melky (I thought Damon was done for) and Kennedy/Hughes (both projected to be good) rather than go after Santana too hard. However the Yankees are a year older, IF Pettitte comes back he won't be amazing, Moose can't last forever, then Wang, Joba, and who gets that 5th spot (4th and 5th if Pettitte doesn't return)? Maybe you fill it with the winner of Hughes/Kennedy, but I don't want to trot two pitchers who've done absolutely nothing out there (if Pettitte is gone) when we could've signed CC or Sheets.

[ShitBreak]

Yeah...because the Yankees having the highest payroll, yet missing the playoffs makes me a retard.

That makes sense. Look at the Rays, and then look at the Yankees. See a difference?

[CrazyCarl]

really, the Rays are your example? The team that has never been good until this year, and who always pick at the top of the draft so they have first dibs on the best talent?

[ShitBreak]

They are going to be good for a long time.

Diamondbacks are a great example. Honestly, so are the Brewers. Mostly young talent brought up through the system, with a sprinkling of old veterans.

[Stax]

Yeah...because the Yankees having the highest payroll, yet missing the playoffs makes me a retard.

That makes sense. Look at the Rays, and then look at the Yankees. See a difference?


Pretty sure they gave Evan Longoria a massive contract. Why? Because he is a young, talented player and thus every year under contract can be expected to be a good one. The Yankees issue wasn't simply signing free agents, that doesn't anger the baseball gods or whatever. The issue was signing guys like 31 year old Jason Giambi to a 7 year deal that averages out to a little under $20 million a year or often injured Carl Pavano to a 4 year $10 million per deal.

Deals can be amazingly good. STUPID deals are bad. Signing CC or Sheets would not be stupid.

[ShitBreak]

I'm not saying signing CC or Sheets are bad ideas...but just throwing a shit ton of money at them to get them to play for the Yankees IS. Getting fucked by huge contracts is what caused the Yankees to be where they are at right now.

[CrazyCarl]

bad contracts don't really affect the Yankees the way they affect other teams, either. If the Twins dish out $50 mil to Carl Pavano and he gets hurt, they're fucked. The Yankees can just bring Roger Clemens out of retirement.

[Stax]

They are going to be good for a long time.

Diamondbacks are a great example.

Who won a World Series with a team comprised of almost nothing but veterans.

Honestly, so are the Brewers.

Who traded one of the better prospects in the game for a little more than a half season rental.

Mostly young talent brought up through the system, with a sprinkling of old veterans.


Young talent is good because it's young, not because it's brought up through the system. The old idea of home grown talent only holds semi-true because if most players are drafted 21-22ish, then spend a year or two in the minors then their first period of Major League service will eat up most of their prime years (their most likely to be best). So again, signing players is not inherantly worse than raising your own talent. You just have to make sure (as would be the case with CC or Sheets) that you sign a GOOD deal.

[CrazyCarl]

Young talent is good because it's young cheap

[CrazyCarl]

If the Yankees had traded away their young pitchers for Santana, they might not be in this position right now

[Stax]

bad contracts don't really affect the Yankees the way they affect other teams, either. If the Twins dish out $50 mil to Carl Pavano and he gets hurt, they're fucked. The Yankees can just bring Roger Clemens out of retirement.

Oh I don't think those deals are why they're missing the playoffs, I think a losing more than 2/3rds of Posada and Wang's seasons to injury, coupled with 21 games of ARod, a down year plus some dings early on to Jeter, and Kennedy and Hughes utter failure are the reason for that.

Although it is worth saying that if the Yankees had spent the $40 million they spent on Pavano on less-injury prone young guys (or just saved it) they might be in a better spot.

[Stax]

If the Yankees had traded away their young pitchers for Santana, they might not be in this position right now

Yes, but hindsight is 20/20. Hughes' injury made last season mostly a wash, and Kennedy was up a year earlier than expected, so you still didn't know what to make of either one yet. Obviously we'd be far better off with Santana right now than Melky/Hughes/Kennedy, but one of them could've been the next Dan Haren (and price controlled at that) or whatever.

And as for your quote correction, it's true that the low price is nice but as you said that tends to affect the Yankees less. Young talent is young, and youth makes it more likely you will succeed.

[ShitBreak]

Bad contracts affect the Yankees MORE SO than other teams, because the Yankees are the only ones that throw godly numbers of money at these players.

No one else wanted to pay Pavano the type of money the Yankees did. When you give everyone these huge contracts, you basically guarantee that there is no way in hell they are going to be traded, since no one will take on that kind of contract.

So when a player (like a Pavano, or a Giambi) get these huge contracts and don't "live up" to the expectations...the effect is multiplied.

[Stax]

I'm not saying signing CC or Sheets are bad ideas...but just throwing a shit ton of money at them to get them to play for the Yankees IS. Getting fucked by huge contracts is what caused the Yankees to be where they are at right now.

Yes. But signing either one of them (again, barring a 10 year deal or something) would not be "getting fucked", so you are a retard. They are top flight free agents at a top flight position which just happens to be the Yankees biggest need.

[ShitBreak]

Yes. But signing either one of them (again, barring a 10 year deal or something) would not be "getting fucked", so you are a retard. They are top flight free agents at a top flight position which just happens to be the Yankees biggest need.

Says who? CC maybe, but this is the first year Sheets has actually been healthy. Every other year he has been hurt. So who's to say he goes to New York for 20 million a year for 5 years, and doesn't get hurt? There goes another 100 million dollar contract, and "top-tier" player down the tube.

[Stax]

Bad contracts affect the Yankees MORE SO than other teams, because the Yankees are the only ones that throw godly numbers of money at these players.

You're a dumbass. If, as Carl said, the Twins sign Free Agent Failure for $10 million a year, that is $10 million a year they cannot spend on anything else. If the Yankees spend that money, the Steinbrenners raise the payroll $10 million if need be.

No one else wanted to pay Pavano the type of money the Yankees did. When you give everyone these huge contracts, you basically guarantee that there is no way in hell they are going to be traded, since no one will take on that kind of contract.

A meaningless statement. If the player is good the Yankees won't want to trade them and if they aren't good other teams probably won't want them. The Yankees do not need to "salary dump" or whatever.

So when a player (like a Pavano, or a Giambi) get these huge contracts and don't "live up" to the expectations...the effect is multiplied.


No, it isn't. Multiplied means increased. The Yankees can absorb a hit like Giambi's injury last year, Pavano's every year, or Posada this year (I-Rod's a rather nice replacement player, no?) than a small market team. Spending more doesn't make the contract worse since the spending doesn't hurt you in the first place (whether it succeeds or fails).

[ShitBreak]

yeah...they absorbed it so much that they are missing the playoffs.

[CrazyCarl]

for the first time in, what, 14 years?

[Stax]

Says who? CC maybe, but this is the first year Sheets has actually been healthy. Every other year he has been hurt. So who's to say he goes to New York for 20 million a year for 5 years, and doesn't get hurt? There goes another 100 million dollar contract, and "top-tier" player down the tube.

He pitched a full schedule in 02, 03, and 04 (when he was filthy disgusting) and still threw 150+ innings in 05 and 07. The only year he missed a LOT of time was 06. Using your 5 year example Sheets would only start getting old the last couple years of that deal (and you usually end up paying for the first couple years of good value with a less-so one on the end). BP projects him to be of similar value to Chien-Ming Wang over the next 5 years, and he's the Yankees ace.

[ShitBreak]

for the first time in, what, 14 years?

Yes...but those huge contracts play a decent part in that.

I'm not saying it's the money itself that hurts the team. If the Yankees wanted to, they could up payroll to 500 million. It's the fact that they can't trade away those massive contracts. They are stuck with them. Getting stuck with players that don't need to be there just makes things a lot worse.

Think of it this way...if Scott Rolen had been making twice what he was, we wouldn't have been able to trade him for what we got. More than likely not then, we'd be stuck with him, and we probably would have 10 less wins, just based on the fact that he has not performed as well as Glaus, and the team morale would have been in the shitter.

[Stax]

yeah...they absorbed it so much that they are missing the playoffs.

So Carl Pavano's 2005 signing and Jason Giambi's 2002 signing, both guys about to be off payroll, are the reason the Yankees are missing the playoffs? Not one of their best pitchers being injured in mid-June, both of their pitching prospects failing, their catcher missing basically the whole year, and their reigning MVP missing an 1/8th of the season?

[CrazyCarl]

checking B-Ref's stats, most of the players that are sucking are players the Yankees brought up through their system. Jeter (subpar), Cabrera, Cano, Kennedy, Hughes. Big money free agents/trades like ARod, Damon, Matsui, Giambi, Abreu, and Nady are all doing well.

[ShitBreak]

Having old players is related to having long contracts they can't get out of.

Having a shitty manager doesn't help either. Joba should not have been starting.

[Stax]

Yes...but those huge contracts play a decent part in that.

I'm not saying it's the money itself that hurts the team. If the Yankees wanted to, they could up payroll to 500 million. It's the fact that they can't trade away those massive contracts. They are stuck with them. Getting stuck with players that don't need to be there just makes things a lot worse.

WHY?! If the contract doesn't hurt you on face value why does the inability to be rid of it hurt you?

Think of it this way...if Scott Rolen had been making twice what he was, we wouldn't have been able to trade him for what we got. More than likely not then, we'd be stuck with him, and we probably would have 10 less wins, just based on the fact that he has not performed as well as Glaus, and the team morale would have been in the shitter.

A. Rolen has a 3.3 WARP, Glaus a 7. So no, to begin.
B. Think of it this way, if the Yankees can (as you said) raise their payroll to $500 million then they could pay Scott Rolen 10 times what he is currently making to clean their toilets and it wouldn't hurt them.

[ShitBreak]

I think my explanations are going over your head.

Having a bad player on your team that you cannot get rid of <<< Having a decent player on your team for a lot less money that be used in trades

[Stax]

Having old players is related to having long contracts they can't get out of.

Close. Having bad, old, often injured players is related to having stupid contracts. Having ARod, Mariano Rivera, and BTW even Jason Giambi (though he's overpaid he's still quite good) every year but last year is simply a product of having a lot of cash to spend so you buy the best.

Having a shitty manager doesn't help either. Joba should not have been starting.

Ahahahaha, ahahahaha, excuse me while I laugh in your face.

A. I'd be willing to lay down money Girardi wasn't the only one making that decision.
B. Joba has been fantastic as a starter.
C. His fantasticness is tons more valuable as a starter than a reliever.

[Stax]

I think my explanations are going over your head.

Having a bad player on your team that you cannot get rid of <<< Having a decent player on your team for a lot less money that be used in trades

No, I think you are assuming the Yankees should operate like the Cardinals, which doesn't make sense.

You do not need to be able to trade players if their contracts do not hurt you. Again, had the Yankees signed Pavano to a more market value price, who the fuck would want to trade for him? And even if they did, how would that help the Yankees, they have the money to get what they need? And EVEN if they did want to trade him, what the fuck would they get?

Trades, especially trades of big contracts, help teams like the Cardinals that want to be able to unload money in years they aren't contending. Ignoring that the Yankees have contended EVERY SINGLE YEAR they've been throwing money around like this (even this year, though this time they'll likely fail), there's no reason they would want to/need to dump salary.

[ShitBreak]

This is basically two monkeys trying to fuck the same coconut.

Get the fuck out of the Central thread anyways. Go back to your East thread so you can bitch there. I fucking hate the Yankees, and I don't want to ruin my lunch talking about them.

[Stax]

This is basically two monkeys trying to fuck the same coconut.

No. This is a retard monkey saying the Yankees are stupid for making contracts they can't trade (why, pray tell, would a team that's good every year and doesn't need to worry much about salary try to lowball guys in case they suck enough to deserve trades, in which case no one would want them anyways?) and two other monkeys (myself and Carl) saying no.

Get the fuck out of the Central thread anyways. Go back to your East thread so you can bitch there. I fucking hate the Yankees, and I don't want to ruin my lunch talking about them.

Heaven forbid I respond to a statement about the Yankees getting CC by talking about... the Yankees getting CC?

[CrazyCarl]

I'm just wondering how spending money is bad

[ADD]

I'm just wondering how spending money is bad

Especially when there's no cap

[ShitBreak]

it isn't...but when was the last time the highest payroll'd team won the World Series?

Yes, teams like the Royals aren't going to do damage with their 30 million payroll....but spending godless amounts of money doesn't seem to be helping either.

[ADD]

Not the highest, because you're basically asking when was the last time the Yankees won the WS, but the Red Sox were right up there last year and won it all.

[Stax]

Bad decision making leads to bad results for you team. Bad decision making can include spending money where it should not be spent. This does not, however, mean that spending money leads to bad results for your team.

[ADD]

My lord, the Pirates suck

[Sex Cannon]

Carlos Quentin laughs at your little white baseball.

[nuclearjew]

He just walked the shit out of his last at-bat.

[Sex Cannon]

Maybe you missed his MVP caliber drawing of a balk.

Called for time and didn't get it, stepped back in and bam. Balk. Runner on third scores.

He soooooooo planned that.

[Stax]

Maybe you missed his MVP caliber drawing of a balk.

Called for time and didn't get it, stepped back in and bam. Balk. Runner on third scores.

He soooooooo planned that.

And the White Sox win 4-3. Thus, I guarantee at least one ESPN analyst will at some point tommorrow in doing the comments for that game highlight say "You've gotta' get a run however you can in these tight games."

[ShitBreak]

Time for the Cardinals to tighten up this Wild Card race. By the end of tomorrow, the Brewers lead will be down to 1.5 games.

[ADD]

STFU and sweep those beer and cheese heart attack waiting to happen

[ShitBreak]

I'm worried about tonight's game since they have Shits on the mound, but Wellemeyer has been pitching extrememly well lately.

Tomorrow's game, with Wainwright on the hill should be good.

[ADD]

What did I fucking say?

[BiōHazard]

What did I fucking say?
My lord, the pirates suck

[ADD]

No, I told Mike to sweep the damn Brewers

[ShitBreak]

FINE...WE'LL SWEEP THE GOD DAMN BREWERS.

[ADD]

Thank you. We don't ask much.

[ShitBreak]

It's a 2-game series. Is that still a sweep?

Since it's so short of a series....maybe we should say that the Cardinals are going for the "swifter"

[Jericho]

It's a 2-game series. Is that still a sweep?

Since it's so short of a series....maybe we should say that the Cardinals are going for the "swifter"
That was fucking weak sauce

[Stax]

That was fucking weak sauce

Correction, it was OSU.

[ShitBreak]

Your mom's sauce is weak.

[ADD]

It's a 2-game series. Is that still a sweep?

Since it's so short of a series....maybe we should say that the Cardinals are going for the "swifter"

Yes, it's a sweep still.

[ninja33]

It's a 2-game series. Is that still a sweep?

Since it's so short of a series....maybe we should say that the Cardinals are going for the "swifter"

yes, but its not as impressive as say, a 4 game sweep on the road...(and im talking about the last brewers/cards series....not that cubs bullshit that i keep trying to forget)

either way, not happening.

[ShitBreak]

Yeah, I don't see our bullpen blowing these two games. Back then, they were insanely overworked, and a their peak of shittyness.

They are rested, and have some new people in place that get the job done. No worries.

[ADD]

yes, but its not as impressive as say, a 4 game sweep on the road...(and im talking about the last brewers/cards series....not that cubs bullshit that i keep trying to forget)

either way, not happening.

Don't try and forget it, embrace it

[ninja33]

Yeah, I don't see our bullpen blowing these two games. Back then, they were insanely overworked, and a their peak of shittyness.

They are rested, and have some new people in place that get the job done. No worries.

yea, but the brewers probably wont go 0-for the series with runners in scoring position again.

theyll split.

[ShitBreak]

Yeah, a split is what I'm afraid of...because that literally does no good for anyone.

So, hopefully the team will just say "fuck it" and kick the Brewers in their cheese-filled faces.

[ADD]

Yeah, I don't see our bullpen blowing these two games. Back then, they were insanely overworked, and a their peak of shittyness.

They are rested, and have some new people in place that get the job done. No worries.

Sheets?

[ShitBreak]

More like Shits.

[ADD]

I know, but it's overkill.

Princess Fielder, now that never gets old.

[ninja33]

sheets has been pretty mediocre lately, and has never been great against the cardinals. pujols owns him. but he owns just about everybody.

[ADD]

Ended Brad Lidge as we knew him

[Penguin Rick]

Pujols even owns Santana.

[GhettoSuave]

I miss the good Carlos Zambrano.... thank god the Cubs offense is sex.

[MDiver01]

Ended Brad Lidge as we knew him
I'm not defending him because he was an Astro but have you seen his numbers?

[iKnowJohnStamos]

Lidge is having a bangin' season

[BSM]

FINE...WE'LL SWEEP THE GOD DAMN BREWERS.