Offseason

[The Dude]

Put yo money where yo mouth is.

[Pollo]

I'll gladly make sure there's nothing but non-stop Lakers offseason talk. that's a guarantee!

in other news, Ben Gordon doesn't look optimistic he won't be back with the Bulls (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53942/20080809/gordon_hinting_hes_done_in_chicago/).

[Lone Wolf]

The Knicks are going to be your #8 seed in the East this year, but #1 in your hearts

[Pollo]

the Knicks can turn it around a la the Rays!

[NOTKyle]

I'll gladly make sure there's nothing but non-stop Lakers offseason talk. that's a guarantee!

in other news, Ben Gordon doesn't look optimistic he won't be back with the Bulls (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53942/20080809/gordon_hinting_hes_done_in_chicago/).

Thought he was already signed to a one year deal.

[ADD]

No, he's debating signing a 1-year tender and trying it again next summer as an UFA. He want's $70 mil, he ain't going to get it here, or anywhere else.

[Soup Nazi]

Gordon was supposedly offered 6/59, but declined. I don't know where he is going to get better than that.

[bpb]

It's an odd year. Spurs to win it baby!!!

[Dakar]

Gordon was supposedly offered 6/59, but declined. I don't know where he is going to get better than that.
I know, that's insane, right?

[Soup Nazi]

I know, that's insane, right?

It is actually a 1 million dollar (overall) pay cut, from the offer he was given last off-season. 5/50, extra year, $166,666 dollars less per year. Oh noes.

[Dakar]

True, but considering he wasn't all that good last season, and there's no market for him, I'd take the money and run.

Is there any possibility he could get a better deal unrestricted next season? I doubt it.

[ADD]

Gordon's a retard. Plain and simple. He can shoot, and that's it and wants to get paid like he's some all around star. I hope he leaves. We have too many guards as is. At least Hughes attempts to play defense.

[shdaow]

Gordon's a retard. Plain and simple. He can shoot, and that's it and wants to get paid like he's some all around star. I hope he leaves. We have too many guards as is. At least Hughes attempts to play defense.

So does Hughes go back to the 2 with Rose, or do you think we'll still see him playing the 1 like he did in Cleveland? I assume K. Hinrich becomes the sixth man now?

[Magic32]

According to The Leader, Iguodala agrees to stay a Sixer for 6 yrs, $80MM

The Philadelphia 76ers and restricted free agent Andre Iguodala have agreed to a six-year, $80 million contract, league sources tell ESPN.com.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3532139

[ADD]

So does Hughes go back to the 2 with Rose, or do you think we'll still see him playing the 1 like he did in Cleveland? I assume K. Hinrich becomes the sixth man now?


If Rose is going to be the starting PG (which I don't think he will be for a few months) he's going to have to wow everyone in camp. They might start him opening night, but Reinsdorf, Paxson and Del Negro have all said they will not rush Rose. Hinrich is staying, they've tried to move Hughes. And sadly, Gordon's probably going to be back for 1 year, after that we'll get nothing for him.

Probable lineup for the Bulls

1- Hinrich
2- Hughes
3- Deng
4- Gooden
5- Noah (fuck)

Bench
Gordon
Nocioni
Thomas
Rose
Gray
Simmons
???

[ADD]

According to The Leader, Iguodala agrees to stay a Sixer for 6 yrs, $80MM


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3532139

It was only a matter of time

[lilchip]

I haven't been this bummed about a upcoming Bulls season since Tim Floyd was calling the shots. I thought Paxson could do no wrong but the Big Ben Fiasco, Tyrus/Aldridge trade blowing up, the botched hire of Collins, and the recent hire of Del Negro have me thinking Pax is on the hotseat now more than ever.

[NOTKyle]

God that lineup is depressing. I'd be fine with Hughes if he was making 1/2 as much money and coming off the bench.

And Thomas not being good enough to warrant a starting spot makes me so sad. He needs to man the fuck up.

[ADD]

I haven't been this bummed about a upcoming Bulls season since Tim Floyd was calling the shots. I thought Paxson could do no wrong but the Big Ben Fiasco, Tyrus/Aldridge trade blowing up, the botched hire of Collins, and the recent hire of Del Negro have me thinking Pax is on the hotseat now more than ever.

Pax gets a pass on two of those. The Big Ben signing came from owner Jerry Reinsdorf and Reinsdorf was the one that didn't want Doug Collins or to pay him (not that I wanted him, but Reinsdorf's cheapness also cost the Bulls Mike D'Antoni). The Tyrus Thomas for Aldridge trade still blows my mind.

God that lineup is depressing. I'd be fine with Hughes if he was making 1/2 as much money and coming off the bench.

And Thomas not being good enough to warrant a starting spot makes me so sad. He needs to man the fuck up.

If Tyrus Thomas could play like the 4 he should be playing, he should start. But the guy (I know he's athletic as hell) is not a good player. He wants to shoot nothing but 15 footers and seems afraid of attacking the basket. If he could play the 4, he would push Gooden back to the 5 and Noah (a Pax debacle) to the bench where he belongs.

[Lone Wolf]

Gordon's a retard. Plain and simple. He can shoot, and that's it and wants to get paid like he's some all around star. I hope he leaves. We have too many guards as is. At least Hughes attempts to play defense.

I'm glad Isiah isn't around to overpay him for with a multi year deal

[ADD]

Yeah, he'd be all over another one dimensional ex-Bull. Fuck, I miss Isiah

[UghByDay]

Well, on the plus side for Gordon, the league has a shortage of mid-tier shooting guards who make bad decisions on offense, so he's got that going for him.

Does anybody care that the local media's freaking out over Kobe's Italy comments? I'm not shocked at all that he'd walk away from the NBA for more money.

[ADD]

I think it's a combination of a few things. It's slow news times, Kobe is fucking with people, who's really going to pay 50 mil? If someone really did offer 50 mil, fine, he'd be an idiot to not take it, but at the same time if it were for one season, I could see it working. Bottom line is Stern and the owners need to fix their system.

[Soup Nazi]

Does anybody care that the local media's freaking out over Kobe's Italy comments? I'm not shocked at all that he'd walk away from the NBA for more money.

Kobe's whole premise is flawed however. He says (and who would blame him), that he would go and play in Italy for 50 million a year, which is great in theory, until you realize that it is incredibly unlikely any Euroleague club can justify 50 million a year, AND, especially no ITALIAN CLUB can pay him anywhere near that. To put things in perspective, Earl Boykins' new 3.5 million a year contract with Virtus Bologna makes him the highest paid player in the entire Italian League. To go from 3.5 to 50 is an incredible leap, for any club in the Italian league.

Now, if Kobe had said he would play in Greece, Russia or maybe Spain for 50 million a year, that would be a little more plausible. Olympiacos (Greece), Panathinikos (Greece), CSKA Moscow (Russia), and maybe Khimki (Russia), Dynamo (Russia), FC Barcelona (Spain), and Real Madrid (Spain), are the only teams who could possibly offer him Childress money, let alone more than double that.

[ADD]

The only way anyone could make 50 mil in Europe is through part ownership and a cut of sponsorships. That's legal in Europe, not the NBA. Boykins' deal is made up of sponsorships.

[ADD]

The Cavs, Bucks and Thunder completed a 3 team deal today.

Cavs get:
Mo Williams

Bucks get:
Luke Ridnour
Damon Jones
Adrian Griffin

Thunder get:
Desmond Mason
Joe Smith

The Hawks have signed SG Flip Murray

[ShitBreak]

Haha...D-Mase gets his 2nd stint in OKC.

Once again, a brilliant move by OKC. Get some hometown heroes on the squad.

[Soup Nazi]

It's a good deal for OKC only because both Mason and Smith are expirings, while Ridnour still had 2 years left. Otherwise, its pretty much a wash, the whole hometown hero thing rarely works out. Just check out the Bobcats.

[ShitBreak]

It's a good deal for OKC only because both Mason and Smith are expirings, while Ridnour still had 2 years left. Otherwise, its pretty much a wash, the whole hometown hero thing rarely works out.

he played pretty well for the Hornets when we had him. Plus, he will sell a SHITLOAD of jerseys here.

That's what it is all about. Him and Durant will have a huge following here.

[Dakar]

Great pickups for OKC. Clear winner in my mind.

[Soup Nazi]

he played pretty well for the Hornets when we had him. Plus, he will sell a SHITLOAD of jerseys here.

That's what it is all about. Him and Durant will have a huge following here.

Yeah I suppose from a merchandising standpoint it would definitely help. On the court, I guess they can try to start him at SG, since they have no one who can really fill that role. I suppose their rotation, at the very least could be exciting, though probably not that successful:

Watson/Westbrook/Weaver
Mason/Wilkins/Weaver
Durant/Marshall?
Green/White
Wilcox/Collison

EDIT: Smith, if he stays around probably would take White's place (until he can contribute), I suppose.

[ShitBreak]

Where does Joe Smith fit in to that rotation?

[Soup Nazi]

I honestly don't expect Smith to stick around that long. But I suppose until White is really able to contribute, he would back-up Green at the PF. If they really wanted to play Small-ball, I suppose for small stretches during the game, they could also use him with Durant and Green in the front-court.

[ADD]

Great pickups for OKC. Clear winner in my mind.

How is Cleveland not the winner by actually getting a PG and only giving up Joe Smith and Damon Jones?

Also, the deal means now Delonte West is more likely to sign in Cleveland since Damon Jones is gone and he'd be the lone backup.

[Muji]

who is mo williams and is he any good?

[ADD]

who is mo williams and is he any good?

Maurice Williams, 6 year PG out of Alabama. He can pass, and he can score. He's better than anything you've called a PG in a long time. LeBron will be very happy. I feel bad for Bucks' fans, you get stuck with Ridnour and lose the Mo Williams Show which was show during halftime at the Bradley Center. It was a talk show where Mo would interview a fellow teammate or someone else of importance. Highly entertaining.

Does the move put the Cavs over the hump? Dear god no. But it does help. Also the moving of Damon Jones like I said most likely means Delonte West is back, and the moving of Joe Smith means J.J. Hickson won't be buried on the bench.

Oklahoma City did well too moving an underachieving PG in Ridnour, adding a local hero and scorer in Mason and adding an extra expiring contract.

The Bucks make no sense in this deal. They basically give up Mo and Mason for nothing.

[Magic32]

How is Cleveland not the winner by actually getting a PG and only giving up Joe Smith and Damon Jones?

Also, the deal means now Delonte West is more likely to sign in Cleveland since Damon Jones is gone and he'd be the lone backup.


I also think OKC won the deal. Luke Ridnour was clearly the odd man out at PG for them, and they were able to spin him off for a couple of expiring contracts. Sam Presti has done an outstanding job since being named GM of acquiring draft picks/young talent and shedding salary. This deal is no exception. Rebuilding is a process, and Presti understands that. This OKC team will be better than people think sooner than people think.

For Cleveland, I think Mo Wiliams is a nice player, but I wouldn't want to be on the hook to pay him $9MM a year until 2013 or 2012 (I forget when his deal is up). He is capable enough as a scorer to step in as the Cavs' #2 option right away, but I worry about his ability to create off the ball and to defend elite PGs. In terms of talent, sure, Cleveland won the deal, but I don't think Mo Williams improves their roster enough to justify the length and size of his contract. It's not like they're now favored in the East or anything.

[Lone Wolf]

Mason is one of those guys I always expected to do more than he has. I don't know if he just never found the right fit or what, but I did like watching him back in Seattle.

I thought Joe Smith was a nice player off the bench for the Cavs. I still think they need to sign Delonte West for some more depth. Mo Williams is a nice add and is probably the best the can do right now.

I also expected Luke Ridnour to do more than he has, I never thought he was going to set the world on fire, but he has been a letdown so far.

It's a lot of riff-raff and underachievers switching teams

[shdaow]

Team Spain under Criticism for "Racist" Photo (http://tsn.ca/olympics/story/?id=246200&lid=sublink02&lpos=headlines_main)

[ADD]

Oh no! Rice again!

[Pollo]

I also think OKC won the deal. Luke Ridnour was clearly the odd man out at PG for them, and they were able to spin him off for a couple of expiring contracts. Sam Presti has done an outstanding job since being named GM of acquiring draft picks/young talent and shedding salary. This deal is no exception. Rebuilding is a process, and Presti understands that. This OKC team will be better than people think sooner than people think.

For Cleveland, I think Mo Wiliams is a nice player, but I wouldn't want to be on the hook to pay him $9MM a year until 2013 or 2012 (I forget when his deal is up). He is capable enough as a scorer to step in as the Cavs' #2 option right away, but I worry about his ability to create off the ball and to defend elite PGs. In terms of talent, sure, Cleveland won the deal, but I don't think Mo Williams improves their roster enough to justify the length and size of his contract. It's not like they're now favored in the East or anything.

you may be right that this OKC team may be competitive in some time, but if they are, it will be very brief. I say that because I honestly don't see Kevin Durant staying in that market when he can go to New York or another big market which might have the cash to give him.

I think the Bucks really lose on this deal, but Cleveland and OKC win. now the Cavs will turnover the ball like crazy now with Mo on board. they better hope their transition defense is top notch because they're going to need it.

Team Spain under Criticism for "Racist" Photo (http://tsn.ca/olympics/story/?id=246200&lid=sublink02&lpos=headlines_main)

alright, there's two guys using their hands to squint their eyes to look Chinese. I don't see any possible racism in that now.

but really, I'm sure many Chinese people make fun of how Americans, Spaniards, and other people talk or look. people are just so fucking sensitive now in days.

[Soup Nazi]

Seems like every year around this time a Trailblazer goes under the knife.......

Trail Blazers guard Brandon Roy will have arthroscopic knee surgery on Thursday to repair a tear in the meniscus of his left knee, according to an Associated Press report.

From what I hear, he MAY be able to start the regular season, but he probably won't be 100%. He most likely will miss training camp, and the pre-season however. Obviously not as serious as what Oden went through last off-season, but still a little rough for a young team that needs to develop chemistry for a potential playoff run.

[MDiver01]

I am sadden by this news.

[bpb]

Fantasy team?

[Pollo]

I hate to hear this since most of us want to see how this Blazers team will be, but I don't think the West contenders mind.

[bpb]

Move them to the East then I'll be disappointed. I like to see what they can do but not against us.

[MDiver01]

but I don't think the West contenders mind.
this is what I meant

[comicfan]

So what does everyone think about the Raptor's chances this year?

[ADD]

Slim and none of going anywhere once they make the playoffs

Lost in the shuffle yesterday, the Bucks signed C Francisco Elson to a 2 year deal.

Damon Jones also expects to be traded right away (when NBA rules allow) since the Bucks already have 5 guards

[UghByDay]

Lakers reportedly sign (http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/sierra/2008/08/14/lakers-to-sign-powell/)* Clipper reject Josh Powell. Kobe agrees to ignore offers from international teams as a result.

A pretty worthless signing considering Powell we'll likely only get minutes when the other bigs are in foul trouble. I don't remember Powell being a big body, and he certainly doesn't have the weight to push guys around in the paint.

The other issue with this signing is now it guarantees that one of the summer league guys the Lakers were taking into camp - Joe Crawford, Coby Karl, and Dwayne Mitchell - or Ira Newble, won't be making the team. Mitchell and Karl played well during the summer league. Newble has the defensive chops such that he should get more than a three-month audition.




*Reportedly because it's off a HoopsHype blog. That's one step above Eric Pincus in terms of reliability.

[Dragon]

Slightly upsetting to me (as a Knicks fan). But from a talent standpoint he is the best option on this roster.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/54000/20080814/could_marbury_hang_on_in_new_york/

[ADD]

Translation = No one else wants him, and we don't want to eat his contract

[nuclearjew]

Seems like every year around this time a Trailblazer goes under the knife.......

From what I hear, he MAY be able to start the regular season, but he probably won't be 100%. He most likely will miss training camp, and the pre-season however. Obviously not as serious as what Oden went through last off-season, but still a little rough for a young team that needs to develop chemistry for a potential playoff run.
Apparently this is the third time he has had knee surgery (second time on this knee). They say he will only be out 4-6 weeks...hopefully he'll be good to go for the first game. If not, maybe Bayless will be able to fill his void somewhat. But Roy is the heart of the team, if Roy isn't 100% for the first month or two, Blazers will be looking at .500 ball again. :(

[Dragon]

Translation = No one else wants him, and we don't want to eat his contract

Oh yea completely agree with you. Just the fact that the team is trying to transition keeping him around will wreck havoc in the locker room on some of the new blood already there and whatever else gets done before the season starts. I would prefer to trade him at the deadline though as to get something in return than to just see us waive him and he sign with the Heat (ala Pennington somewhat).

[ADD]

Believe me, Marbury is the least of the Knicks problems

[Dragon]

Hey it's tough being a fan right now. There are problems from the top of this franchise all the way down. If I were Stern I would force ownership out and let a new group start from scratch. You can't keep allowing one of the original NBA franchises remain in the cellar.

[ADD]

Why not? They let the Celtics do it for almost 20 years.

It's not the owners fault he's a retard and hired Isiah and let him sign all those deals. The Sonics moving to bumblefuck is more of a travesty then the Knicks sucking is. Look around at the other sports, some of the marquee franchises have been awful for a long time (Cubs, Blackhawks, Mapleleafs) or were and just recently gained success again (White Sox, Red Sox, Celtics). It's sports, it happens.

[Dragon]

They did and I don't think the Celts and their fans should have been subject to that. The Knicks (aside from the '95 and '00 playoffs) haven't had anywhere near something called success. Winning seasons sporadically yes but continued success not at all.

[ADD]

Sports is a business, not making sure each team wins within a certain amount of years. If you want to own a team, move to Green Bay.

[Dragon]

Trust me I know its a business I work in that business and see it first hand daily. Even still you keep your allegiances (although you might have to mask them in certain cases if you work for another team) to see your team do well. I still think if they get someone who has a good head on their shoulders they could turn it around. If not I just see more years like the past few. Talent on paper, no chemistry, no comradery(sp?), no true team concept.

[ADD]

So let's just agree that the Knicks will be hilarious in 2008-09

[Dragon]

I agree with your choice of verbage. Hilarious might be an understatement.

[ADD]

Suns sign Amundson to 2 year deal

The Phoenix Suns signed forward/center Luis Amundson to a two year, minimum contract on Thursday, according to the East Valley Tribune. The second season is a team option.
“(Coach) Terry Porter also saw him some last year and he played well against the Pistons. He’s a versatile guy who can play the four or the five for us,” Phoenix general manager Steve Kerr said. “Like Robin (Lopez) and Matt (Barnes), we feel like we’ve added another player with a strong motor. He takes charges, blocks shots and he can push the ball on the break.”


Artest deal finally completed

The Houston Rockets announced that they have acquired forward Ron Artest from the Sacramento Kings, the Associated Press is reporting. In addition to Artest, Houston acquired forward Patrick Ewing, Jr. and guard Sean Singletary from the Kings in exchange for guard Bobby Jackson, rookie forward Donte Greene and the Rockets' first-round draft pick in 2009.
The trade was originally reported by the Houston Chronicle on July 29.
"This is definitely the high point of my career," Artest said on a conference call Thursday. "It's the biggest opportunity I've ever had playing basketball."
"He's a different person than he was years ago," Rockets owner Les Alexander said. "He cares about his on-court performance more than he ever has in his life."


And since people in OKC have so much money...

To see Oklahoma City play, it is going to cost you more than it did to see the same team play in Seattle, according to a report by the Associated Press. Oklahoma City, still without a name, released its season-ticket prices Thursday. On average, ticket prices will be about 36 percent higher than they were in Seattle last season.

[Pollo]

now I think I have a better understanding of the Kings/Rockets deal ... supposedly the Kings see Donte Greene as quite a valuable player -- so valuable that they think he would of been a lottery pick had he entered the draft next year. I still think it's a good trade for both teams, but I just don't know what Houston does with Battier since he can't play the 4. I suppose it's the sixth man role for him, if he's content with that.

and the Lakers are rumored to be after Pargo (supposedly they're offering half the MLE) and Mourning (vet's minimum). I suppose it's OK, but I badly wanted Kurt Thomas and James Posey.

[ADD]

Artest said he's quite open to being the 6th man and spelling T-Mac and Battier.

I said in the old thread Greene was the key to this deal. Guy's been traded 3 times already since draft night.

Mourning's not leaving Miami. He also said he won't be back until December.

Pargo apparently has a deal on the table from the Spurs.

[blazerboy427]

now I think I have a better understanding of the Kings/Rockets deal ... supposedly the Kings see Donte Greene as quite a valuable player -- so valuable that they think he would of been a lottery pick had he entered the draft next year. I still think it's a good trade for both teams, but I just don't know what Houston does with Battier since he can't play the 4. I suppose it's the sixth man role for him, if he's content with that.

and the Lakers are rumored to be after Pargo (supposedly they're offering half the MLE) and Mourning (vet's minimum). I suppose it's OK, but I badly wanted Kurt Thomas and James Posey.

Actually, I believe Artest could play the 4 because he's still an inch taller and just as strong and physical as semi-starter Chuck Hayes. If that were to happen, that's a pretty good lineup 1-5 with Alston, McGrady, Battier, Artest, and Yao with Scola being the 6th/energy man.

[ADD]

The Heat have already waived Bobby Jones

The Miami Heat announced today that they have requested waivers on forward Bobby Jones. Jones was claimed off waivers by the Heat on Aug. 5 after being waived by the New York Knicks on July 29. Jones, whose first stint with the Heat began on Mar. 12, 2008 after signing a 10-day contract, appeared in six games with Miami during the 2007-08 season and averaged 8.0 points, 4.0 rebounds and 23.8 minutes. Overall he appeared in 47 games last season, with five teams including the Heat, and averaged 3.8 points, 2.0 rebounds and 11.3 minutes per game.

[Dragon]

More Marbury news


http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/54010/20080815/marbury_eyes_milan/

Marbury Eyes Milan (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/54010/20080815/marbury_eyes_milan/)



In the past Stephon Marbury has spoken about signing in Europe once he becomes a free agent, which at the time most considered a far fetched notion. But this offseason, where a handful of players have turned down NBA contracts for more money in Europe, has made the possibility seem a little more realistic. According to the New York Post, Marbury's plans certainly have not wavered, with the current Knick pin pointing Milan as his preferred destination of choice.
"People just didn't understand and didn't know (last summer)," said Marbury. "When I made comments about playing overseas people took it out of perspective, thought I was talking about leaving while still playing for the Knicks. It was turned into something negative about going to Italy. Now it seems it's OK."
"Why wouldn't you want to play basketball, still make money and live in a place that's beautiful," Marbury added. "Milan is definitely where I want to play basketball at. That's where I fell in love with Italy."
Via New York Post (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/54010/20080815/marbury_eyes_milan/#)

[NOTKyle]

Would an Italian club even offer him a contract?

[Soup Nazi]

Would an Italian club even offer him a contract?

They offered Earl Boykins the richest contract in Italian League history. So, short answer, yes they would. Though if he specifically just wants to play for Milan, he is really limiting his choices. Armani Jeans Milano already has 3-4 PG's I beleive, and there are no other teams in Milan.

[ShitBreak]

How do you say "Starbury" in Italian?

[NOTKyle]

How do you say "Starbury" in Italian?

Lo Spreco Di Talento

[ShitBreak]

That sounds classy.

[Pollo]

Actually, I believe Artest could play the 4 because he's still an inch taller and just as strong and physical as semi-starter Chuck Hayes. If that were to happen, that's a pretty good lineup 1-5 with Alston, McGrady, Battier, Artest, and Yao with Scola being the 6th/energy man.

I said it in the Old GMF, but not with the likes of Dirk, Duncan, West, Gasol, Amare, LaMarcus, and other elite PFs in the West will that be a good idea at all. I contest Artest is a solid defender, but he'll get crushed all night long vs. those guys.

[bpb]

Finley, Spurs agree to terms (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3537371)

After drawing interest from a few top contenders, including the NBA's new champions in Boston, Michael Finley has elected to re-sign with the San Antonio Spurs.

NBA front-office sources told ESPN.com on Friday that Finley and the Spurs have reached terms on a new deal that has been submitted for league approval.

Contract specifics were not immediately available, but sources say Finley's decision came down to a choice between staying with the Spurs or joining the Boston Celtics as the reigning champs' replacement for James Posey, who signed with the New Orleans Hornets earlier this summer.

Sources say the two-time All-Star also drew strong interest from the Hornets and Cleveland Cavaliers.

Kinda wonder where the deal with Pargo goes now.

[ADD]

One less guys the Celtics could get. Makes me happy.

[Dragon]

As I said on the old GMF when Kurt Thomas was re-signed. The rich stay rich....yet get older in the process. Spurs need to go after some young kids that they don't just stash overseas every year. In a few years there will not be one recognizable name if that's what they keep doing.

[ADD]

2010 baby. 2010.

[bpb]

The Spurs are doing that. They signed Roger Mason, their first round pick George Hill is more than likely going to be on the team and they're bringing Ian Mahinmi and Anthony Tolliver up from the D-League. I think Ian was the D-League player of the year if someone wants to correct me on that. They lost Brent Barry (which is cool with me as long as they kept Finley) and Robert Horry and Damon Stoudamire are all but gone. The rest that is left are still in their early 30s so the age average is going way down to where it was before.

[ADD]

And most of their "old" re-signings are 1 or 2 years.

2010 baby. 2010.

Chris Bosh, meet Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan, meet Chris Bosh.

[bpb]

Nevermind about Pargo. He's off to Russia. (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Arol1xGW06CIRCBY6qCGQWd30bYF?slug=aw-pargo081508)

BEIJING – New Orleans Hornets free agent guard Jannero Pargo, a valued sixth man, has reached an agreement in principle with Moscow Dynamo on a one-year contract worth about $4 million, sources close to the negotiations told Yahoo! Sports.

[ADD]

Well there's a curveball

He'll be back in the NBA after one year.

[Soup Nazi]

The Spurs will be fine in a couple of years with an aging Manu/Duncan, prime Parker, and a Prime Tiago Splitter. Plus, if they can make a nice signing or 2 in the next couple of off-seasons, that would be a major plus.

[Dragon]

The Spurs will be fine in a couple of years with an aging Manu/Duncan, prime Parker, and a Prime Tiago Splitter. Plus, if they can make a nice signing or 2 in the next couple of off-seasons, that would be a major plus.

I'm just saying from a fan of the game as a whole, what the Spurs have done the past few years is great. I want them to stay at a level of competitiveness in the future while other teams rise around the league.

[Pollo]

Pargo to Russia? well that was a curveball I didn't see coming since I thought he was a good role player for NO, but the Hornets won't miss him with Posey.

in other news, the Lakers sign Josh Powell. oh yes, I'm jumping up and down with joy.

[shdaow]

This will make ADD extremely happy...

Gordon says he's played his last game for the Bulls, could even consider going to Europe (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3537868)

It looks like sign-and-trade somewhere, but teams haven't been mentioned.

[Pollo]

Gordon to the Clips could make sense despite having Mobley/Gordon there. can Gordon play the 3? the Nuggets could also use him and move AI back to PG, although it seems JR Smith will be back (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3835/news;_ylt=ApzQ2_3b2BwJJkQeZiWDR8.kvLYF).

[NOTKyle]

This will make ADD extremely happy...

Gordon says he's played his last game for the Bulls, could even consider going to Europe (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3537868)

It looks like sign-and-trade somewhere, but teams haven't been mentioned.

Glad he's gonna be gone, but there's NO leverage now. Gonna get nothing in return.

[Pollo]

has Gordon been that unhappy in Chicago? didn't he get like a 5 yr/50 mil deal last year or something of that sort?

[Lone Wolf]

The thought of Marbury on the opening night Knicks roster just makes me a sad panda

[Pollo]

The thought of Marbury on the opening night Knicks roster just makes me a sad panda

you just have to put up with him to the trade deadline (someone is going to love to have that expiring deal), especially a team like the Nets that wants cap space to be in the bidding for LeBron in two years.

[Soup Nazi]

Gordon to the Clips could make sense despite having Mobley/Gordon there. can Gordon play the 3? the Nuggets could also use him and move AI back to PG, although it seems JR Smith will be back (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3835/news;_ylt=ApzQ2_3b2BwJJkQeZiWDR8.kvLYF).

Please don't give Karl another excuse to start the shortest backcourt in the league. I would much rather start JR next to AI, then Gordon, at least it gives us some size. Gordon and AI just sounds like a disastrous duo to me. Exciting, but disastrous. Plus, I don't think the Nuggets want to give Gordon the type of contract he is looking for.

[ADD]

This will make ADD extremely happy...

Gordon says he's played his last game for the Bulls, could even consider going to Europe (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3537868)

It looks like sign-and-trade somewhere, but teams haven't been mentioned.

Praise Jesus! The question is what could we get in return.

[Pollo]

Please don't give Karl another excuse to start the shortest backcourt in the league. I would much rather start JR next to AI, then Gordon, at least it gives us some size. Gordon and AI just sounds like a disastrous duo to me. Exciting, but disastrous. Plus, I don't think the Nuggets want to give Gordon the type of contract he is looking for.

plus now that I think of it, imagine a AI-Gordon backcourt duo on defense ... ouch. and add that to losing Camby ... double ouch.

[ADD]

Well I really don't think it's going to be the Nuggets or Clippers. The Clippers are tapped, and all they could send back (Al Thornton, Kris Kamen, etc. they won't). The Nuggets could offer J.R. Smith who Pax already traded away because he's a character issue. I can only hope this becomes an expanded deal and included another player. Larry Hughes is doubtful, but Nocioni, Noah or Gooden can be had. The Bulls are going to demand a front court player in return and/or a 1st rounder. I could see this becoming a 3 or 4 team deal when all is said and done. The Nets wanted Noch bad. About 5 teams would love Gordon off their bench. Quite a few teams that have recently acquired players want to move them already (Milwaukee, Sacramento, Oklahoma City to name a few). Maybe, finally it's about to get fun.

[Pollo]

I know Chicago would like to get a guy like Odom, but now that Artest is gone, I would of loved to get Hinrich & Artest in a deal with Odom going to Chicago and Gordon/prospects going to Sacramento.

Miami could be interested (in being part of a CHI deal), but I don't see it happening since Miami would like Odom back unless they really have a fond interest in Hinrich. so it would basically be Marion to LAL, Hinrich to MIA, and Odom to CHI. don't see Miami being interested in that unless they're getting Odom, and it would make more sense to just trade with them straight up.

[ADD]

Hinrich's not being moved. The Bulls "tested" his value before the draft, and it was laughable. Also, he's Jerry Reinsdorf's favorite player. If anyone gets moved, it's Gordon first, Hughes second, and then that's it. for guards.

[Pollo]

sooner or later he will need to be moved with Rose there. Hinrich is not a 2 at all with how bad his career FG% (41.4) is.

[ADD]

Well for what's he making, he's going to be the 2

[Dragon]

Timberwolves going all out for a new face of the franchise. New uni's coming soon.

Timberwolves To Unveil New Uniforms Monday (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/54022/20080816/timberwolves_to_unveil_new_uniforms_monday/)


The Wolves will publicly unveil for the first time the team's newly designed uniforms for the upcoming 20th season at the IDS Crystal Court Monday from noon to 1 p.m. The new home and road uniforms will be unveiled during a program that will include appearances by the Timberwolves' mascot Crunch and members of the team's basketball operations.
This will mark the third time in franchise history that the Timberwolves have changed uniforms. The previous uniform change occurred prior to the start of the 1996-97 season. The Wolves' uniform design had remained unchanged for 12 seasons.
The new uniforms are the latest step in the re-branding campaign of the Timberwolves as the team approaches its 20th season. The Wolves introduced a re-designed primary and new secondary logo earlier this summer.


http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/54022/20080816/timberwolves_to_unveil_new_uniforms_monday/

[Lone Wolf]

Timberwolves going all out for a new face of the franchise. New uni's coming soon.



http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/54022/20080816/timberwolves_to_unveil_new_uniforms_monday/

20 years already? Fuck, I'm old

[UghByDay]

20 years already? Fuck, I'm old

We all agree that Tony Campbell is the greatest T-Wolf in franchise history, right?

[nuclearjew]

Isaiah Rider ftw!

[Muji]

Tom Gugliotta?

[ADD]

Pooh Richardson

[Pollo]

interesting ... some NBA teams are expressing interest (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/54029/20080816/nba_teams_not_allowed_to_sign_olympian/) in Iranian center Hamed Ehadadi. however, the NBA is not allowing no team to sign him during the Olympics.

[ADD]

And possibly not after. The USA has a hold on hiring any Iranian nationalists.

[Dragon]

Cavs Talking To Knicks About Big Man (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/54032/20080817/cavs_talking_to_knicks_about_big_man/)


Aug 17, 2008 11:01 AM EST
Ever since the Cavaliers landed point guard Maurice Williams, there have been rumors that they are talking to the Knicks about a big man, according to The Morning Journal.
New York has a number of big men on the roster, including Eddy Curry, Jerome James, David Lee, Zach Randolph and Malik Rose.



http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/54032/20080817/cavs_talking_to_knicks_about_big_man/

[Elk]

Those guys arent really any better than what they already have on the roster. The Cavs are just desperate to find a way to make LJ happy so he wont go to NY in a couple years, which I dont think they can do.

[ShitBreak]

The Thunder? That name fucking sucks.

- Desmond Mason talking to a couple old friends after getting back into OKC yesterday.

[ADD]

Those guys arent really any better than what they already have on the roster. The Cavs are just desperate to find a way to make LJ happy so he wont go to NY in a couple years, which I dont think they can do.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

[blazerboy427]

What?!?! Eddy Curry could totally be Big Z's successor...but not really.

[Lone Wolf]

Cavs Talking To Knicks About Big Man (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/54032/20080817/cavs_talking_to_knicks_about_big_man/)


Aug 17, 2008 11:01 AM EST
Ever since the Cavaliers landed point guard Maurice Williams, there have been rumors that they are talking to the Knicks about a big man, according to The Morning Journal.
New York has a number of big men on the roster, including Eddy Curry, Jerome James, David Lee, Zach Randolph and Malik Rose.



http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/54032/20080817/cavs_talking_to_knicks_about_big_man/

Please let this be true! Zach Randolph would be a nice add for the Cavs. He can't play D worth a shit but they have Ben Wallace to kind of do that. Randolph is still a pretty big offensive threat

[Lone Wolf]

In Happy New, my favorite all time player isn't done yet!

If more current players flee the NBA for Europe, they will see a familiar face.
The Italian team Premiata Montegranaro announced on Sunday that 38-year-old Shawn Kemp (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=420) has agreed to play for the team starting in November.

"I am happy that a player that has made basketball history would come to Montegranaro," coach Alessandro Finelli said.
Finelli believed that the six-time NBA All-Star, who last played in the NBA in 2002-03, could still contribute.
"He is very motivated," Finelli said. "And he has been staying in shape to show up at our camp in good shape."
Kemp averaged 14.6 points and 8.4 rebounds over 14 NBA seasons. He played eight years with Seattle, three with Cleveland, two with Portland and finished with one season in Orlando.
Finelli did not know, however, if Kemp would be the key to the season for the Premiata, which plays in the top division of Italian basketball.
"We will discover with work in the gym if he will be a key player for our team," Finelli said. "Now, it's too soon to say that."
Kemp has flirted with attempting a comeback in the NBA many times since his last season in the league, working out for a number of teams but not sticking with any of them.

[Pollo]

Please let this be true! Zach Randolph would be a nice add for the Cavs. He can't play D worth a shit but they have Ben Wallace to kind of do that. Randolph is still a pretty big offensive threat

too bad he's not a defensive threat whatsoever, and I would stay far away from his contract. the Blazers were bright when Isiah was still GM to find a sucker to take on his deal.

[UghByDay]

In Happy New, my favorite all time player isn't done yet!

Shawn Kemp in Italy? It's history repeating itself.


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[ADD]

So the Timberwolves debuted their new unis today. I already long for the days of old.

http://www.nba.com/media/timberwolves/wolves_new_uniforms_292_080818.jpg

http://www.nba.com/media/timberwolves/ids_crunch_blow_up_292.jpg

[ADD]

Oh, and the Clippers are trying to sign everyone named Davis. They re-signed Paul Davis today. So look for Baron to Ricky to Paul soon.

[Pollo]

the green shoes with the green color scheme on the bottom of the shorts look awful.

and they should of just kept the Timberwolves name for both jerseys rather than Wolves/Minnesota.

[NOTKyle]

I don't think the idea of green on the bottom is awful, but they used a horrendous green and the pattern is just confusing. Is that fire?

[ADD]

I don't think the idea of green on the bottom is awful, but they used a horrendous green and the pattern is just confusing. Is that fire?

Evergreen trees

[NOTKyle]

More like nevergreen trees.

[ADD]

More like we never should have changed unis

[NOTKyle]

They probably realize nobody's going to see them anyway.

[ADD]

Very true. Anyone who buys one of these new unis is a moron anyway as maybe 2 of these guys will actually stay there in the long run.

[MDiver01]

I'M SO GETTING ONE!

[iKnowJohnStamos]

Very true. Anyone who buys one of these new unis is a moron anyway as maybe 2 of these guys will actually stay there in the long run.

That's probably true but rocking old jerseys is awesome. My Baltimore Ravens Elvis Grbac jersey still gets me tons of cred.

[Dakar]

This is all an elaborate ruse to make the Thunder unis look cool when they debut.

[ADD]

That's probably true but rocking old jerseys is awesome. My Baltimore Ravens Elvis Grbac jersey still gets me tons of cred.

Ohhhhhh, you're one of those guys.

[iKnowJohnStamos]

Ohhhhhh, you're one of those guys.

Grbac is the best quarterback the Ravens have ever had...like being the skinny kid at a fat camp

[ADD]

We prefer the smartest kid with downs

[ShitBreak]

So are you saying Elvis Grbac is the only Ravens QB to never go full retard?

[ADD]

Theo Ratliff decides not to retire, drinks the Sixers' Kool-aid

Theo Ratliff has chosen the Philadelphia 76ers from an array of offers he has received and will sign a one year contract with the team, the Philadelphia Daily News is reporting. The contract will be for the veterans' minimum.

[ADD]

Giricek picks Turkey over gravy

Gordan Giricek has become the latest player to leave the NBA for a bigger payday. Giricek finished last season as a member of the Phoenix Suns. On Tuesday he signed a two-year contract -- with an option to return to the NBA next summer -- with Turkey's premier club, Fenerbache.
"We looked around the NBA," his agent Marc Fleisher said. "Everybody was moving very slowly. And there were great opportunities for him to play overseas for a lot of money. Fenerbache are Turkish champions and a EuroLeague team. It was a tough decision, and it came down to Fenerbache and Triumph, in Russia."

[NOTKyle]

How many is that this season to go overseas?

And to small-time guys do this every year and its just being noticed this year cause there're more of them?

[shdaow]

Usually its the REALLY small time guys I hear heading to Europe, like Anthony Parker (before his return) or Rafael Araujo (who I hope never returns to the NBA in his lifetime), but they were few and far between until this year.

[Pollo]

Theo Ratliff decides not to retire, drinks the Sixers' Kool-aid

and another bigman the Lakers bypass on since losing Turiaf. Josh Powell just can't be their answer as a replacement, he just can't.

[blazerboy427]

and another bigman the Lakers bypass on since losing Turiaf. Josh Powell just can't be their answer as a replacement, he just can't.

What do you mean by this? Now it's DJ Mbenga FTW!!!

[ADD]

and another bigman the Lakers bypass on since losing Turiaf. Josh Powell just can't be their answer as a replacement, he just can't.

In the Lakers' defense, Ratliff wasn't really fielding offers. He was going to retire until Philly called.

[Pollo]

What do you mean by this? Now it's DJ Mbenga FTW!!!

thanks for making me feel better.

[minsolo25]

ratliff hasn't contributed since about 5 years ago.. not much better than mihm at this point.

[minsolo25]

by the way, elton brand is a bitch...phili might be nice this year, but it would have been sweet to see baron and elton together.

[Pollo]

by the way, elton brand is a bitch...phili might be nice this year, but it would have been sweet to see baron and elton together.

it may of been a blow to Clippers management, but if it's true Elton couldn't get a hold of Sterling, then it probably came off to him that the organization wasn't making a big effort to keep him. obviously we all thought Elton opted out so that they could go after Davis, but this is a business ... you can never trust anyone's word. plus, there were rumblings Elton wanted to go back East, despite being heavily involved in movie production with the time he was with the Clippers.

it would of been a nice duo, but with how rough the West is, it wasn't a guarantee they would make the playoffs with how bad their supporting cast was (which they addressed very nicely this offseason).

[Archangel]

by the way, elton brand is a bitch...phili might be nice this year, but it would have been sweet to see baron and elton together.

Yeah, but Andre, Iggy and Elton's gonna be sweeter.

Gordan Giricek has become the latest player to leave the NBA for a bigger payday. Giricek finished last season as a member of the Phoenix Suns. On Tuesday he signed a two-year contract -- with an option to return to the NBA next summer -- with Turkey's premier club, Fenerbache.
"We looked around the NBA," his agent Marc Fleisher said. "Everybody was moving very slowly. And there were great opportunities for him to play overseas for a lot of money. Fenerbache are Turkish champions and a EuroLeague team. It was a tough decision, and it came down to Fenerbache and Triumph, in Russia."

They could've at least spelt Fenerbahçe right.

[ADD]

Blazers' championship roster is complete

Luke Jackson is the 15th man!

Luke Jackson has reportedly signed on with the Blazers to complete their preseason roster, according to The Oregonian.

The team has yet to confirm the rumors, but Jackson has been working out at the team's practice facility.

[iKnowJohnStamos]

is Oden even ok? if he is, Portland is going to be so scary.

[ADD]

I still say they're a year away

[ADD]

In a surprising move, the Mavs do have enough money to keep Devean George for 2 years

George
Devean George and the Dallas Mavericks have reached an agreement on a new two-year contract worth about $4 million, according to his representative.

Agent Mark Bartelstein told ESPN.com on Wednesday that the deal soon will be made official and includes a player option for George to return to free agency after the coming season.
George, 30, appeared to have little future in Dallas beyond last season after his controversial refusal in February to be included in the Mavericks' trade with the New Jersey Nets for Jason Kidd.
Kobe Bryant has the NBA's only active no-trade clause, but George was able to prevent his inclusion in the deal on Feb. 13 by citing a little-known league rule applicable to a handful of players on one-year contracts. In a game that same night, George missed all 11 of his field-goal attempts in a home loss to Portland and was roundly booed by fans in Dallas.
The Mavericks and Nets completed a reworked trade without George days later, but the second version of the deal cost Mavs owner Mark Cuban more than $11 million extra last season alone in additional payroll and luxury-tax obligations. Fan discontent with George, though, faded quickly, as did any friction within the organization.
New coach Rick Carlisle was eager for the Mavericks to retain George, who spent the last two seasons in Dallas and is regarded as a perimeter threat and versatile defender off the bench when healthy after winning a ring with the Los Angeles Lakers in each of his first three pro seasons.
Injuries limited George to 53 games last season and averages of 3.7 points and 2.6 rebounds in 15.5 minutes per game.

[Pollo]

is Oden even ok? if he is, Portland is going to be so scary.

you should also add Roy into that mix if he's alright after arthroscopic surgery. Luke Jackson isn't a bad gamble, seeing he was a lottery pick just a few years ago.

[ADD]

Donyell Marshall said fuck OKC. So the Thunder waived him.

The Thunder The Oklahoma City NBA franchise announced today that the team has waived forward Donyell Marshall.

[ShitBreak]

More like we said Fuck Donyell Marshall.

[ADD]

You guys are gonna suck so bad

[Pollo]

the Thunder will make the Knicks look like a good team.

[ADD]

Nothing good can come from Oklahoma City

[UghByDay]

In a surprising move, the Mavs do have enough money to keep Devean George for 2 years

But why would you? Dear God, I have enough money to have Corky from Life Goes On sing at my birthday party, but I'd still rather spend it on beer and hookers and make fun of retards on TV instead.

[Dragon]

the Thunder will make the Knicks look like a good team.


Come on now thats rough. Knocking on one of the original franchises like that. I mean we won't be good this year but that bad? I'm hurt.

[blazerboy427]

More like we said Fuck Donyell Marshall.

Exactly. Donyell Marshall is 35 and hasn't had a decent season since 2003. Stick a fork in him.

[ADD]

The Heat re-sign Dorell Wright for 2 years

Dorell Wright has agreed to terms on a two-year deal with the Miami Heat, with his contract expected to be signed later this week, according to Ira Winderman of the Sun-Sentinel. Wright was a restricted free agent, with the Heat having the right to match outside offers.
With little outside interest, Wright will receive a deal that will start at roughly the $2.9 million qualifying offer he had been extended by the Heat for 2008-09.
RealGM Note: Despite playing in just 44 games, Wright was ranked 221st in season FIC and had a very good per 40 FIC of 12.2 (league median is around 10.0). He therefore 'deserved' to make $2.64 million last season, making the $2.9 million qualifying offer easy for Wright to beat assuming he stays healthy.

[ADD]

Sonics to keep trophies and banners in Seattle, and other things...

OKLAHOMA CITY -- The championship banners and trophies from the SuperSonics' best days will be staying in Seattle. But the flat screen TV in the coaches' locker room, that is going to Oklahoma City. The city of Seattle and Clay Bennett's ownership group have divvied up the artifacts of the NBA's past in the Pacific Northwest, with the details outlined in a settlement obtained Wednesday by The Associated Press. The agreement calls for Bennett's Professional Basketball Club to leave any banners, trophies and retired jerseys. Those will be placed in a curatorship at Seattle's Museum of History and Industry, although the new Oklahoma City franchise would be allowed to borrow them to put on display periodically and make copies. The franchise is also leaving some KeyArena furniture and equipment in Seattle, noting it will take 150 courtside seats, 24 office chairs, three televisions and other equipment that is still being used by the WNBA team. Those items -- including 200 CDs, a sound-effects machine, a basketball inflater, radios, headphones and a replay monitor -- will be shipped to Oklahoma City when the WNBA season is over. The settlement, which expands on the terms of a July 2 agreement that ended a contentious six-day trial, was filed in federal court this week. It also finalizes Bennett's agreement to pay $45 million to Seattle immediately to break the team's lease at KeyArena and the possibility for another $30 million if the state approves funding for a new arena but Seattle doesn't get a new NBA franchise. Bennett's money would be refunded if the team is forced to move back to Seattle because of a lawsuit filed by former owner Howard Schultz, who is attempting to regain control of the franchise. Federal judge Marsha Pechman ruled Wednesday that the NBA can intervene in Schultz's lawsuit and she also denied Schultz's motion to split the trial into two phases. The trial has been scheduled for next June. Bennett will retain the rights to the SuperSonics' name and logos, but has agreed not to use them after moving to Oklahoma City. If a new NBA team arrives in Seattle, Bennett would turn over the rights to the new team's owner at no cost, as long as it meets with NBA approval. The league hasn't yet announced a new name for the Oklahoma City franchise, which has applied for trademarks for six: Thunder, Bison, Energy, Wind, Marshalls and Barons. That team will be allowed to use the SuperSonics' statistical history, although a future Seattle NBA franchise could also stake a claim to share those records. Some aspects of the settlement still aren't finished. Bennett designated executive vice president Terry McLaughlin to negotiate with Seattle Center director Robert Nellams on lingering transition issues surrounding KeyArena's suites and concessions. Those matters are to be handled by Oct. 31, although the settlement allows for an extension. Any disputed issues would be handled in mediation.

[Pollo]

Come on now thats rough. Knocking on one of the original franchises like that. I mean we won't be good this year but that bad? I'm hurt.

sorry, the Knicks didn't do anything to change my mind on being a decent team even with the D'Antoni hiring. Marbury running the point for him would give me a migraine, unless D'Antoni will give Robinson the spot. but regardless, it going to be a few years before you see good basketball in NY again, and I want the Knicks to succeed for the sake of the NBA and the big market teams.

[sdale4life]

My team, the suns, are gonna blow next year for sure... i say look out for Portland.

[ADD]

sorry, the Knicks didn't do anything to change my mind on being a decent team even with the D'Antoni hiring. Marbury running the point for him would give me a migraine, unless D'Antoni will give Robinson the spot. but regardless, it going to be a few years before you see good basketball in NY again, and I want the Knicks to succeed for the sake of the NBA and the big market teams.

I thought Duhon picked the Knicks because he was going to start

[ShitBreak]

Come on...the OKC "Whatever's although we are probably called the Thunder" won't be that bad.

[ADD]

Maybe not Grizzlies or TWolves bad, but bad none the less

[Dragon]

sorry, the Knicks didn't do anything to change my mind on being a decent team even with the D'Antoni hiring. Marbury running the point for him would give me a migraine, unless D'Antoni will give Robinson the spot. but regardless, it going to be a few years before you see good basketball in NY again, and I want the Knicks to succeed for the sake of the NBA and the big market teams.

Ok I can agree with you on that 100%. And like ADD said Duhon was signed as was Roberson (not sure on that one actually) and 2 new front office staff were named as well.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/54091/20080821/knicks_hire_john_gabriel_as_director_of_scouting/

[Pollo]

Come on...the OKC "Whatever's although we are probably called the Thunder" won't be that bad.

this team only managed 20 wins last year, and the fact that they went after Desmond Mason shows the confidence they have in Jeff Green, who I think we'll be decent in time. getting Westbrook is definitely a plus, but this team isn't reaching 30 wins in such a tough West, write that down.

I thought Duhon picked the Knicks because he was going to start

yeah, I completely forgot about him -- but give it time, he won't be the starter for too long.

[ADD]

And their starting center is apparently going to be Robert Swift once he's re-signed!!!

[ADD]

Seriously, how do NBA unifrom designers get work? First the Twolves and now the Hornets (this is just this year I'm talking about)

The New Orleans Hornets have unveiled a slightly updated logo and new uniforms for the 2008-09 season, according to NBA.com. "We are extremely proud to be the New Orleans Hornets, and our new logos and uniforms pay tribute to the past, present and future of this great city," said Executive Officer of the Board Chad Shinn. "These exciting new designs represent our commitment to championship performance on and off the court as we look ahead to a successful future in New Orleans."
The new logos pay tribute to the city of New Orleans, and the new jersey feature pinstripes.
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARF
http://www.hornetsnestonline.com/images/P/222222.jpg

The only shots of the logos are on www.nba.com/hornets it's a Flash stream

[NOTKyle]

I like those, semi-throwback.

[bpb]

I do like the Hornets new jerseys, not so much for the T-Wolves.

[ADD]

The road ones are atrocious

http://www.hornetsnestonline.com/images/P/22222.jpg

[Dragon]

Seriously, how do NBA unifrom designers get work? First the Twolves and now the Hornets (this is just this year I'm talking about)
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARF
http://www.hornetsnestonline.com/images/P/222222.jpg

The only shots of the logos are on www.nba.com/hornets (http://www.nba.com/hornets) it's a Flash stream


Not a fan at all. I thought their uni's from last year were great. Why change. I thought those jersey designs (teams like the Lakers, Raptors, Mavs) are better and the wave of the future aside from a few original teams. The different cut was a nicer look as well. Adding back the pinstripes? Not a wise choice.

[ADD]

Not a fan at all. I thought their uni's from last year were great. Why change. I thought those jersey designs (teams like the Lakers, Raptors, Mavs) are better and the wave of the future aside from a few original teams. The different cut was a nicer look as well. Adding back the pinstripes? Not a wise choice.

They want to have a "new identity" that connects with their home town if you watch the video on their site.

The new secondary logo
http://www.hornetsnestonline.com/images/D/3-103.jpg

[Archangel]

And I was just about to consider buying a CP3 jersey. That's off.


Jesus titty fucking Christ. The turquoise ones they had until now were some of the best looking unis in the league, and they replaced them with THAT?

[Archangel]

Well, that settles it. Kobe alternate it is.

[ADD]

I do like the Hornets new jerseys, not so much for the T-Wolves.

I like those, semi-throwback.

You both are high and/or Clay Aiken

[Archangel]

With those jerseys, they need to bring Larry fucking Johnson back.

Muggsy Bogues, too.

[Dragon]

Yea I checked the site and I get what they are doing but seriously I could design a better looking jersey after a bottle of whiskey and blindfolded.

[Dragon]

With those jerseys, they need to bring Larry fucking Johnson back.

Muggsy Bogues, too.

Zo did say he wanted to try and play again right? Why not try to reunite the ole' gang

[bpb]

You both are high and/or Clay Aiken

* cough, cough* He's dreamy.

[ADD]

Zo did say he wanted to try and play again right? Why not try to reunite the ole' gang

He meant for the Heat and not until his knee is ok

Besides, Muggsy's got all his "Space Jam" money.

[Pollo]

Well, that settles it. Kobe alternate it is.

Kobe jerseys are never a bad choice.

and those jerseys don't pay tribute to NO -- it looks like the old Charlotte unis.

[ADD]

Maybe they meant "embodies the spirts of New Orleans" as in homeless people would wear the new jerseys











too soon?

[blazerboy427]

The road ones are atrocious

http://www.hornetsnestonline.com/images/P/22222.jpg

Dear God, what the hell is that? Much worse than the T'wolves new jerseys.

[UghByDay]

Maybe they meant "embodies the spirts of New Orleans" as in homeless people would wear the new jerseys


At least you won't get robbed in the Ninth Ward for your Hornets jersey. They'll probably make you take their jersey at gunpoint.

And the only thing more brilliant than putting a team in New Orleans is adding even more powder blue and purple to the league.

[ADD]

Celtics could be ones to screw Blazers' cap

The Boston Celtics announced today that they have signed free agent forward Darius Miles. Per team policy, terms of the deal were not disclosed.

Miles, a 6’9”, 235lbs forward out of East St. Louis High School has posted career averages of 10.6 points, 5.2 rebounds and 1.15 blocks in 412 career games. Miles was originally drafted with the third overall pick in the 2000 NBA draft by the Los Angeles Clippers. Miles last played for the Portland Trail Blazers during the 2005-06 season when he averaged a career high 14.0 points and 4.6 rebounds in 40 games. Miles missed all of the 2006-07 and 2007-08 seasons due to microfracture surgery on his right knee.

“Darius has been in twice for workouts with us and has impressed us with his progress, health, and attitude;” said Danny Ainge, Celtics Executive Director of Basketball Operations/General Manager. “Darius will have the next couple of months to prove to myself and Coach Rivers that he can help us win.”

The Bellville, Illinois native became the first player in NBA history to receive All-Rookie honors straight out of high school when he averaged 9.4 points and 1.54 blocks for the Clippers in the 2000-01 season. Miles scored in double-figures in 31 of the 40 games that he appeared in during his last NBA season in 2005-06. As a starter in 23 of those 40 games he averaged 16.9 points, 5.0 rebounds, 2.2 assists, 1.2 steals and 1.2 blocks per game.

“I’ve watched the Boston Celtics play a lot last year and loved what I saw in their teamwork and chemistry on the court and it’s the team that I want to try to resume my career with.” said Miles. “I am excited about having an opportunity to play on a team that I feel my personality fits with and a team that can have great success on the court.”

Bulls keep Nichols

The Chicago Bulls recently re-signed Demetris Nichols to a one-year, partially guaranteed contract, the Daily Herald is reporting.

Nichols was the team's second-leading scorer in the Orlando summer league in July, averaging 13.6 points.

Nice low risk gamble

[ADD]

Nuggets finally keep someone, re-sign troubled Smith

DENVER -- The Denver Nuggets re-signed restricted free agent J.R. Smith to a multiyear contract on Friday.

The 22-year-old guard averaged 12.6 points for the Nuggets over the past two seasons.

He shot nearly 40 percent from 3-point range, the best percentage in team history for players with at least 100 3-pointers.

Smith was acquired from Chicago in 2006 in exchange for Howard Eisley and two second-round draft picks. He was drafted by the New Orleans Hornets in the first round and 18th overall in 2004.

[Soup Nazi]

Nuggets finally keep someone, re-sign troubled Smith

Very early reports state that it is 5 years/40 million. Hopefully it is less, but at least we didn't pay him Nene/KMart money. Though if true, it looks like we outbid ourselves..........again.

[Lone Wolf]

Very early reports state that it is 5 years/40 million. Hopefully it is less, but at least we didn't pay him Nene/KMart money. Though if true, it looks like we outbid ourselves..........again.


That team just has a flawed view of how to build a team. There's going to be some really ugly games this season.

[ADD]

Very early reports state that it is 5 years/40 million. Hopefully it is less, but at least we didn't pay him Nene/KMart money. Though if true, it looks like we outbid ourselves..........again.

Especially considering no one else wanted him. Well, the Spurs did until they decided they liked keeping Finley more. At least, it's a long-term deal and it's not a one year offer where he'd leave for nothing next summer.

[Lone Wolf]

I can't wait to read about JR Smith's expiring contract

[blazerboy427]

At least they won't have to deal with having the shortest backcourt in the league now by starting Chucky Atkins or Anthony Carter alongside Iverson by default.

[Soup Nazi]

Don't put it beyond George Karl to continue starting Anthony Carter.

What pains me is that I am being 100% honest.

[blazerboy427]

That is true; I just looked this up, AC started 67 games. I mean, wtf? No wonder Kobe decimated them in the first round. George Karl definitely made the fatal mistake of "going full retard."

[ADD]

Well, it's not like the Nuggets had planned on Chucky Atkins getting hurt

[UghByDay]

That is true; I just looked this up, AC started 67 games. I mean, wtf? No wonder Kobe decimated them in the first round. George Karl definitely made the fatal mistake of "going full retard."

In Karl's defense, Carter has a healthy respect for Jesus that J.R. and Chucky will never understand.

Karl is all about Jesus since his kid came down with freckle cancer.

[blazerboy427]

Eh, like it really matters; they've still got future all-star Linas Kleiza, right? Kleiza ftw!

[ADD]

Maybe for the Lithuanian All-Stars

[blazerboy427]

Ok, you caught me trying to pull a fast one on everyone. At least they still have Marcus Camby, the one great defensive player on their team. Oh wait........

[ADD]

Suns add PG in Singletary, send Strawberry to Rockets

The Phoenix Suns have acquired Sean Singletary from the Houston Rockets in exchange for D.J. Strawberry, according to NBA.com.

"Sean gives us depth at the point guard spot," said Suns President of Basketball Operations and General Manager Steve Kerr. "We like his instincts and his ability to run a team. He also puts a lot of pressure on the ball defensively. We thank D.J. for his contributions and wish him well."

In Singletary, the Suns acquire a dynamic 6-0, 185-point rookie guard, who was the 42nd overall selection (second round) of the Sacramento Kings in the 2008 NBA Draft.

Strawberry will probably be waived

[MDiver01]

Darryl Strawberry?

[nuclearjew]

It's his son.

[blazerboy427]

What was the point of this trade?

[ADD]

What was the point of this trade?

The Suns need a PG and the Rockets need contracts they can waive so they can keep Mutombo and Landry

[Pollo]

The Suns need a PG and the Rockets need contracts they can waive so they can keep Mutombo and Landry

pretty much -- after parting with Banks in the Marion deal and Barbosa in no way a PG but rather a SG, they needed a backup PG despite Shaun Livingston still out there.

[ADD]

Well they have Dragic coming in now, and have Nash to start. They needed to keep 13 guys under contract and this was a way to do it. They just didn't want to only have 2 true PGs, especially one being a foreign rookie. Barbosa's probably going to see PG time most of the season still. Strawberry's deal isn't fully guaranteed, so he will be let go (and was going to be by the Suns as it was).

[Celtickliq]

No sure how many Nike lovers out there but I found this interesting and adds to Jason Kidd acting a bit crazy.

So he allegedly gives his gold medal up and while over in Bejing, he breaks free of his Nike contract and signs with Chinese brand PEAK.

[ADD]

If you had taken Kevin Duckworth in the dead pool, you'd be a winner

Kevin Duckworth, a two-time NBA All-Star who spent the majority of his 12 NBA seasons as the Portland Trail Blazers' center, has died. He was 44.
Duckworth died Monday in Kernville, Ore., near the coastal town of Lincoln City. His death was confirmed by the Lincoln County Sheriff's Office. Duckworth was in town as part of a Trail Blazers group hosting a free kids basketball clinic, Fox 12 reported on its Web site.
The cause of his death was not released Tuesday morning.
The 7-foot Duckworth started at center when the Trail Blazers won Western Conference titles in 1990 and '92. He played in the NBA All-Star Game in 1989 and '91.
He spent 1986-93 with Portland and also played for Washington, Milwaukee and the Los Angeles Clippers.
Duckworth's last season in the league, 1996-97, was spent with the Clippers. He played his college basketball at Eastern Illinois. A second-round draft pick of the San Antonio Spurs in 1986, Duckworth was named the NBA's Most Improved Player in his second year in the league.

[ADD]

No sure how many Nike lovers out there but I found this interesting and adds to Jason Kidd acting a bit crazy.

So he allegedly gives his gold medal up and while over in Bejing, he breaks free of his Nike contract and signs with Chinese brand PEAK.

He had promised the gold medal had he won it to a casino owners wife long ago

[Dakar]

Speaking of crazy, LeBron said he wanted Kidd to play in 2012.

[misterfatt]

they should re-assemble the original dream team for london.

[Soup Nazi]

they should re-assemble the original dream team for london.

Well they would be better than the team we sent to Athens.

[Celtickliq]

No sure how many Nike lovers out there but I found this interesting and adds to Jason Kidd acting a bit crazy.

So he allegedly gives his gold medal up and while over in Bejing, he breaks free of his Nike contract and signs with Chinese brand PEAK.


Kidd being really excited about his fancy new shoes.

http://i36.tinypic.com/9vfdyd.jpg

[Pollo]

Speaking of crazy, LeBron said he wanted Kidd to play in 2012.

in addition to that, if Kidd doesn't come, LeBron won't either. I guess LeBron sees value in that undefeated streak Kidd brings. if anything, Wade and Kobe need to return for another run, and try to bring in KG and/or Amare and get some solid bigmen.

[Celtickliq]

in addition to that, if Kidd doesn't come, LeBron won't either. I guess LeBron sees value in that undefeated streak Kidd brings. if anything, Wade and Kobe need to return for another run, and try to bring in KG and/or Amare and get some solid bigmen.

By 2012, all team USA will need is Rondo and Perkins. The rest can be fillers.

[CAB]

I doubt Kobe or Kidd come back for 2012

Bron, Melo, Wade will prob be back with Howard, Bosh CP3 and Deron. Add Amare, Chandler, Arenas and an all around guy to fulfill Prince's role on this team and they'll be set again

[ADD]

in addition to that, if Kidd doesn't come, LeBron won't either. I guess LeBron sees value in that undefeated streak Kidd brings. if anything, Wade and Kobe need to return for another run, and try to bring in KG and/or Amare and get some solid bigmen.

He's posturing, LeBron will be back. I think Kobe will as well. Nike will say so.

[Satan]

Kidd is already washed up, he had no business being the starter on the team this year. By 2012 it'll be Deron, CP3 and someone else manning the PG spot. Kidd is still a great assist man and ball handler, but that's about it. Weak defense and he offers nothing as a shooter.

[ADD]

We can't be sending 40 year old guys not named Larry Bird. This isn't swimming.

Who I'd like to see in 2012

C- Dwight Howard
PF- Chris Bosh
SF- LeBron James
SG- Kobe Bryant
PG- Chris Paul
------------------
Deron Williams
Derrick Rose
Michael Beasley
Dywane Wade
Carmelo Anthony
Greg Oden
Kevin Durant

[Satan]

I'd rather see Deron starting over Paul. He's more physical and more effective at getting into the lane against the zones the international teams show them, and he's a better 3 shooter. Both will get a lot of minutes either way though.

[Pollo]

I also think it would be effective if the US team actually had some backup bigmen, so I'd like to see Amare or KG, and I'm sure guys who'll be good by then will include Oden, Bynum, etc.

and I do agree we need a swingman like Prince, and I still think Battier could give it another try.

[Lone Wolf]

If you had taken Kevin Duckworth in the dead pool, you'd be a winner

The fans used to ride that guy hard. I was really pretty young in his heyday, but I remember feeling kind of bad for the way he was treated. Now I look back on it and realize it's no different than how I treat Curry or Randolph.

I'm a little shocked that he wasn't older than 44

[iKnowJohnStamos]

If you had taken Kevin Duckworth in the dead pool, you'd be a winner


Thank you very much Mr. Duckworth.


Quack Quack Quack Mr. Duckworth.

[ADD]

Ducksworth said "Gordan, Stop quacking!"

[GreyFox1382]

fuck...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3556108


The Golden State Warriors (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=gsw) won't have Baron Davis (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=194) or Monta Ellis (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2751) in their starting lineup on opening night.
In the latest blow during a difficult summer for Golden State, ESPN.com has learned that Ellis -- just awarded one of the biggest pay raises in league history -- will be sidelined at least three months, possibly four, after suffering a severe high ankle sprain in his hometown of Jackson, Miss.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/nba/profiles/players/65x90/3966.jpg Ellis

Ellis was scheduled to undergo surgery on his left ankle in Alabama on Wednesday, according to team sources, after he informed the club late last week that he had injured himself working out. More specifics about how Ellis sustained the injury were not immediately available.
Surgery is needed to repair a torn deltoid ligament, sources said, and the foot will need to be immobilized for the first six weeks.
It was less than a month ago that Ellis received a six-year, $66 million contract extension from the Warriors, whose tumultuous offseason began with Davis making a verbal commitment to sign with the Los Angeles Clippers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=lac) on the very first day of free agency.
The contract calls for Ellis to earn a flat $11 million in each of the next six seasons. He made just $770,610 last season, the final year in a modest three-year deal he received as a second-round pick in 2005.
Golden State, which failed to reach the playoffs last season, insisted that it achieved its top two offseason priorities by re-signing Ellis and fellow restricted free agent Andris Biedrins (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2427).
The Warriors were nonetheless stunned by the sudden nature of Davis' departure -- as Davis initially was expected not to opt out of the final year of his contract -- and now have likely lost the prolific guard expected to inherit much of Davis' scoring responsibilities until December at the earliest.
The Warriors responded to Davis' exit by signing swingman Corey Maggette (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=497) away from the Clippers to join co-captain Stephen Jackson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=378), and by signing Los Angeles Lakers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=lal) restricted free agent Ronny Turiaf (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2789) to add bulk on their front line.
They also matched the Clippers' offer sheet to retain restricted free agent Kelenna Azubuike (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2821) and acquired backup point guard Marcus Williams (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3039) in a trade with New Jersey. The Warriors are likewise extremely high on first-round draft pick Anthony Randolph (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3455), and thus did little to prevent forwards Mickael Pietrus (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2173) (Orlando) and Matt Barnes (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1765) (Phoenix) from following Davis out the door.
It remains possible that the Warriors could trade forward Al Harrington (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=308) before the start of the season, with Harrington reportedly open to a move. Yet there's really no replicating what Ellis provides for the Warriors, especially given coach Don Nelson's plans to use Ellis regularly at point guard after playing him primarily as a shooting guard in Ellis' first three pro seasons.
Ellis, 22, seemed to understand his importance to the team's post-Baron future when Ellis shared at a news conference in late July that Davis recently "told me it was time to hand over the torch."
Ellis averaged 20.2 points, 5.0 rebounds and 3.9 assists last season. He won NBA Most Improved Player honors in the 2006-07 season, averaging 16.5 points, 3.2 rebounds and 4.1 assists.
The only solace for the Warriors is that Ellis does have a history of making strong, fast recoveries from major injuries. He slipped to No. 40 in the 2005 draft, in spite of a decorated high school career, because of a knee problem.
But he has since proven more productive in the NBA than any of the 10 players drafted out of high school that year, which was the last time high school players were eligible to be selected. That group includes No. 6 overall pick Martell Webster (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2795) (Portland); No. 10 Andrew Bynum (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2748) (Los Angeles Lakers); and No. 18 Gerald Green (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2761) (drafted by Boston, now with Dallas).
Ellis suffered what initially appeared to be a serious knee injury during a summer-league practice in 2006, and endured an even scarier fall early in training camp last October that resulted in a neck sprain and required Ellis to be immobilized and carted off the court.
In both cases, though, Ellis missed minimal time. He appeared in 77 and 81 games, respectively, after the two injuries.
Ellis is also known for his boundless confidence, as evidenced when he scoffed at reporters' recent suggestions that the switch from shooting guard to the point will be a problem.
"I'm going to improve every part of my game," Ellis said last month. "That's what I do. That's why I play basketball . . . to improve and to become the best player [who] ever touched a basketball."

[ADD]

I knew there was a reason I didn't pick them to make the playoffs this coming season

[Celtickliq]

Going back to this USA BASKETBALL talk about the next Olympics, it is really important not to overlook 2010. If they do not come to play for that and get their shit in order, 2012 will not matter.

[Soup Nazi]

Going back to this USA BASKETBALL talk about the next Olympics, it is really important not to overlook 2010. If they do not come to play for that and get their shit in order, 2012 will not matter.

I agree that 2010 is important, but we did not exactly have our shit together in 06 and we still won in 08. Al it meant was that we had to spend the year inbetween beating up on some poor saps from North and South America.

[chaos2015]

i doubt kg will still be playing in 2012

[ADD]

Yeah, being 36 is ancient for basketball...

[ShitBreak]

Don't know if it has already been mentioned, but Oklahoma City will announce the name of the team, and show off the colors on September 3rd.

It's basically a given that they are called the Thunder, which is kinda gay...but they can make up for it if they get some kick ass jerseys.

[ADD]

Who cares? I hope the franchise folds now. Fuck Oklahoma City and fuck Clay Bennett.

[Mr. Brown]

Don't know if it has already been mentioned, but Oklahoma City will announce the name of the team, and show off the colors on September 3rd.

It's basically a given that they are called the Thunder, which is kinda gay...but they can make up for it if they get some kick ass jerseys.
Thunder isn't that the name of the made up teams for like the NBA 2k series?

[ShitBreak]

Thunder isn't that the name of the made up teams for like the NBA 2k series?

Hell if I know. I know Oklahoma is known for weather...but come on.

But like I said, they have chance to make up for it with some sweet jersey/color combos. I think we mentioned it before, but maybe something with some black, yellow and blue would look pretty decent.

[Mr. Brown]

I don't really follow the NBA that close, why did they move in the first place?

[Celtickliq]

I agree that 2010 is important, but we did not exactly have our shit together in 06 and we still won in 08. Al it meant was that we had to spend the year inbetween beating up on some poor saps from North and South America.


Being back on top of the Basketball world will be a tough challenge for the USA. They should be picking the coach before the end of this year to prepare.

[ShitBreak]

They moved because Seattle was not bringing in "enough" money, and the ownership wanted a new stadium and never got it.

The main reason though, is that a group of OKC investors bought the team, and already had it set in their mind that they were moving them to OKC. And basically did it even though NO ONE in Seattle wanted them to leave.

It was a fucked up situation. Which is why ADD wishes death upon my new team, and the ownership.

[ADD]

I don't really follow the NBA that close, why did they move in the first place?

The team was for sale, and ended up being sold to a group from OKC who lied to everyone and said they'd try to keep the team there. Then David Stern did nothing because he thinks a franchise that will fail in Oklahoma eventually is a better idea.

And in Seattle they wanted a new building, but expected tax payers to pay for it.

[ADD]

They moved because Seattle was not bringing in "enough" money, and the ownership wanted a new stadium and never got it.

The main reason though, is that a group of OKC investors bought the team, and already had it set in their mind that they were moving them to OKC. And basically did it even though NO ONE in Seattle wanted them to leave.

It was a fucked up situation. Which is why ADD wishes death upon my new team, and the ownership.

Just ownership because they're a bunch of lying scumbags who should be getting royally fucked by the lawsuit but the former owner, but won't.

Had they actually attempted to keep the team in Seattle, fine. But they didn't and it's been proven.

I wish the Sonics players success once they leave. Clay Bennett should be barried in the ground and Sonics fans should stone his face.

[ShitBreak]

Who cares? Fuck Oklahoma City

Yeah...just the ownership, huh?

[bpb]

Fuck Oklahoma!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ADD]

Yeah...just the ownership, huh?

Do you have a name yet?

Fuck the Oklahoma CIty NBA Franchise to be named later.

Better?

I do want the team to fail. It deserves to.

[ShitBreak]

I hope you fucking fail.

[ADD]

Get a team that's yours honestly and you can bitch.

Don't act like this is your team now

[ShitBreak]

Well let's see...new mascot, new name, new colors...


yep, looks like we got ourselves a team.

[ADD]

You've got yourself a stolen bastardized Sonics

Until you have a new roster and coaching staff, you ain't got shit of your own.

[ShitBreak]

Do you do this for any team that moves? Did you do this when the Browns moved to Baltimore?

Get over it.

They are the OKC Thunder now. As of right now, there is no such thing as the Sonics.

[ADD]

They will always be the Sonics. The Browns had the decency to get right back into the NFL.

Stern can't afford to add a new team. I won't get over it. The team was successful in Seattle and more than it will ever be in bumblefuck despite what Gay Bennett says. This isn't the Expos.

It's going to be disgusting the amount of Oklahomans who act like they've been Sonics fans forever. Kevin Durant isn't yours, etc.

[ShitBreak]

They don't play for the Sonics. They play for the Thunder.

So Oklahomans aren't fans of the Sonics...because there isn't such a thing as the Sonics.

Be pissed at Bennett all you want. He is a douche. But why in the fuck are you hating the team? It isn't like it was their decision to move. And why hate the fans? They just want to watch some fucking NBA.

[ADD]

Because your team is stolen. You guys shouldn't accept stolen goods and you shouldn't give Bennett any money. Ownership finagled their way in a lied and cheated and took away a historic franchise that had absolutely no reason to be moved except for the fact a greedy owner douche never tried to do what he promised and despite his millions expected a fan base already hurting to buy him a new arena. He held the city and fans hostage and all along knew what he'd do. No one in Seattle wanted the team to go. This wasn't the Hornets where the city said please leave and we'll apply for a new team. This is bullshit and you know it.

OKC fans can watch all the NBA they want on tv as far as I'm concerned. There are many more cities in North America deserving of a franchise over OKC and they'd go about it the right away and apply for a charter. And if you guys actually support this team after 3-5 losing seasons, I'll be very impressed.