GMF H2H Football League

[Pollo]

this is for those who are in my keeper league to avoid confusion to the Hardcore league.

here are the keepers to this point along with the draft order (starting in round 2) following the keepers round:

[nuclearjew]

Does anyone want to take over my team (you get Addai as a keeper)? I don't think I can make the draft tomorrow.

[Pollo]

NJ, the draft is actually on Saturday evening at 5 PM Pacific.

[nuclearjew]

Err that's what I meant. I'll be out Saturday.

[nuclearjew]

C'mon, surely someone wants to jump in here.

[shdaow]

Pollo, I'm good with the trade as we agreed. BW is my keeper.

[JT]

Anyone interested in trading? I have a few players that I could deal for equal value.

[JT]

Sent out some emails. You guys are a quiet bunch.

[ruffdog]

I'm taking offers for LT

[CrazyCarl]

why the hell is Kopek keeping Wes Welker?

[Pollo]

why the hell is Kopek keeping Wes Welker?

his roster wasn't that good, let's put it that way with no quality RBs of choice to keep. he did have Colston and Fitzgerald, though.

[JT]

SO no PPR? BOOOOOOO

[ruffdog]

come on Fuckers

LT up for grabs

[Kopek]

why the hell is Kopek keeping Wes Welker?

After 40 years, the dominance of black WRs is going down this year.

[Pollo]

come on Fuckers

LT up for grabs

what the hell do you want for him? take a look at my roster (The Tomlinsons) last year.

[nuclearjew]

I'm staying in the league, but I will probably have to do the gay auto-pick. And I've traded with ruffdog, Addai for LT.

[nuclearjew]

I'm not sure I'm understanding this. So we can trade players all higgledy-piggledy, but we're still allowed to keep one player? This doesn't seem right at all.

[JT]

I think Syn and I have a trade worked out. Just waiting on a final email from him.

[Kopek]

I'm not sure I'm understanding this. So we can trade players all higgledy-piggledy, but we're still allowed to keep one player? This doesn't seem right at all.

In fantasy there are no rules. Only imagination.

[JT]

MUJI! Don't ignore my offers!

[nuclearjew]

Also, JT and I are trading Andre Johnson for Terrell Owens.

[Syndicate]

I think Syn and I have a trade worked out. Just waiting on a final email from him.


Yep. I'm trading him Manning for Romo.

[Muji]

it would be easier for me to trade , JT if i knew who you had on your team from last year......i also might have a hard time making the draft, i hope i will be home in time

[nuclearjew]

it would be easier for me to trade , JT if i knew who you had on your team from last year......i also might have a hard time making the draft, i hope i will be home in time
Don't bother, didn't you autodraft last year?

[JT]

What team are you?

[nuclearjew]

He's OSUMikes a Fag

hahah

[Muji]

i did autopick last year and only changed my ranking on cleveland browns players, and finished in 2nd place

also JT, i am only really interested in maybe one player and thats chris chambers, no offense but your team last year was horrible

do you still have portis? i will take him as well

[shdaow]

Who wants Steve Smith?

[JT]

Ok........

[Muji]

i will take steve smith, who do you want?

also JT, who do you want for Portis or Chris Chambers?

[JT]

i will take steve smith, who do you want?

also JT, who do you want for Portis or Chris Chambers?

I sent you an offer.

[JT]

Muji and I just traded Portis and Chambers for Ryan Grant and LJ.

[JT]

Just double checking........this is a snake draft right?

So round 1 is keepers then round 2 starts with last to first etc. etc.

[nuclearjew]

Anyone want any of these guys:
Antonio Gates
Edgerrin James
Greg Jennings
Kurt Warner
Roddy White

[Syndicate]

Anyone want any of these guys:
Antonio Gates
Edgerrin James
Greg Jennings
Kurt Warner
Roddy White

Kurt Warner.... Dude... Don't tempt me.

[Pollo]

well, hot damn ... a crap load of deals happened ... awesome.

I still have quite of players up for grabs, including Burress, Boldin, and Brandon Jacobs.

Muji, shoot me a deal for Jamal Lewis. I can possibly offer one (or more) of the guys above for the right package. but if anyone's got interest, shoot me a rep or PM so I can get all these deals into Yahoo's tool.

[Muji]

well, hot damn ... a crap load of deals happened ... awesome.

I still have quite of players up for grabs, including Burress, Boldin, and Brandon Jacobs.

Muji, shoot me a deal for Jamal Lewis. I can possibly offer one (or more) of the guys above for the right package. but if anyone's got interest, shoot me a rep or PM so I can get all these deals into Yahoo's tool.
link me to your page and i will check out who you have, i dont really want burress, he has a shitty qb, boldin is unhappy and will probably be hurt again

[Pollo]

Just double checking........this is a snake draft right?

So round 1 is keepers then round 2 starts with last to first etc. etc.

yes, it's a snake draft. just check out the draft results page for where you'll be picking per each round.

link me to your page and i will check out who you have, i dont really want burress, he has a shitty qb, boldin is unhappy and will probably be hurt again

I'll shoot you a PM of my roster minus traded players.

[JT]

Shadow and I traded.

I am giving up Selvin Young and my 4th round pick for Steve Smith and his 6th round pick.

That leaves me with Ryan Grant or LJ as my keeper instead of Portis.

[Pollo]

yeah, I put Grant as your keeper and the rest at the last rounds.

[JT]

Nice

[ruffdog]

here we go

Re: trade Quote:
Originally Posted by ruffdog
LT for Addai

Done, let's do it.



nuclearjew confirmed the trade.

[Pollo]

if there's any last minute deals, let me know ASAP with about roughly 30 minutes to go to the deadline. there's a deadline since Yahoo closes any changes to pre-rankings/anything 45 minutes prior to the draft.

[nuclearjew]

Hey, since I traded for LT, he doesn't have to count as my keeper, right? If that's the case, I want to keep Antonio Gates.

[Jericho]

Well, if you traded for him before the draft,I'd think he's now a member of your roster, from which you need to pick a keeper. I'd say he needs to be your keeper. But, I'm not in this league. Just playing devil's advocate

[nuclearjew]

Yeah, gtfo out of this thread.

[Syndicate]

RUFFDOG & RUDI JOHNSON FTW!

[nuclearjew]

The keeper rules fucked this league up. JT gets Peyton Manning, Steve Smith, Terrell Owens, Larry Johnson, Ryan Grant, Brandon Marshall, Roy Williams on one team. If anything, keepers should be used as 2nd/3rd/4th/etc. picks instead of 16th/15th/14th/etc.

[Syndicate]

The keeper rules fucked this league up. JT gets Peyton Manning, Steve Smith, Terrell Owens, Larry Johnson, Ryan Grant, Brandon Marshall, Roy Williams on one team. If anything, keepers should be used as 2nd/3rd/4th/etc. picks instead of 16th/15th/14th/etc.


Yeah, but didn't you use those same rules to trade him two players and in effect keep two for yourself? Yeah it was fucked up, but I got Romo, whom I'd actually prefer over Manning this year and you got two guys you wanted to keep yourself. We all win?

[nuclearjew]

Yeah I took advantage of the rules, and I'm glad I did, because if I didn't my team would be even more fuckedededed.

[shdaow]

Who wants some RBs?

[Muji]

i wasnt a fan of the being able to trade players before the draft, having keepers is fine but being able to keep all the other players sucked

oh well, who wants to trade me some cleveland browns?

[Kopek]

The keeper rules fucked this league up. JT gets Peyton Manning, Steve Smith, Terrell Owens, Larry Johnson, Ryan Grant, Brandon Marshall, Roy Williams on one team. If anything, keepers should be used as 2nd/3rd/4th/etc. picks instead of 16th/15th/14th/etc.

Kind of defeats the purpose of actually conducting a draft if a 1/3 of the top 50 players are already kept.

[Pollo]

after thinking about it and reviewing some teams, I think it's without question that I really underestimated how bad some of these trades would end up hurting teams, especially Pats, Ninja, and Kopek for not being there allowing the autopick to select for them. I guess the whole purpose for allowing these trades was to get value for quality players which good teams had last year which made them successful and also allow teams which didn't fare well to try to get the chance to get top FA players if they wanted them. the last thing I wanted to do was screw over any teams and basically wash out any chance of them even competing.

so here's my thinking after hearing your suggestions: why not re-draft? the problem is, Yahoo will not allow me to obviously re-draft players in the league, unless we did an offline draft which would take forever. the only and most convenient way we can do this is setup a new league. this time around, though, there will be rules and restrictions:


One keeper.
I will allow only ONE trade to occur per team. In other words, if I trade with Shdaow, then neither one of us can make another pre-draft deal with other teams. No exceptions.
Trades CANNOT exceed 3+ players to be traded from one team to another, i.e. Brady/LT/Moss for Peterson/Addai/Portis. However, I will allow a maximum of 2 draft picks per team to be swapped/attached in any potential deal, i.e. 1st/4th rounders for 2nd/3rd rounders or perhaps LT/Edwards/2nd/5th for Peterson/Owens/3rd/6th.
If a trade occurs, these players are to be taken in subsequent rounds depending on the quality of players acquired. For instance, if a Portis/ Grant swap is agreed upon and neither are keepers for both teams, both will be selected in round 2 since both players are top RBs. In other words, if the traded players are first round talent, they'll be selected in the next round. Another instance is Owens/Johnson swap -- both 2nd round talent will be selected in round 3. For a trade such as Chambers for Cotchery (round 7 talent), both will be taken in round 8.
If a keeper selection is involved in any trade, one of the newly acquired players must be selected to be your keeper, i.e. Ruff trading LT to NJ for Addai -- which means NJ keeps LT whereas Ruff will take Addai in the 2nd round seeing Brady was his original keeper.
For all trades, they need to be fair in equal value. So if I see LT for Rudi Johnson or anything borderline ridiculous, it won't fly by me. In addition, any trade needs to be even, i.e. 1-for-1, 2-for-2, etc. since Yahoo insists all teams need to have the same number of selections.

again, the last thing I wanted was to give any team(s) a huge advantage over another. so if there's any provisions/additions I should make to the list, let me know. and how does everyone feel about a possible do-over draft which we can do Tuesday or Wednesday? Heck, does anyone want a do-over? I know this is bound to make a guy like JT upset, but I'm doing what's in the best interest for the league and just want to assure a fair chance for every team to be competitive.

[ninja33]

yea, that turned out pretty super gay. I dont really care what you do, i knew i wasnt going to be able to make the draft and i didnt understand how ridiculous the trade rules were/have the internet access to try and take advantage of them. All they basically did was allow a team to have essentially unlimited keepers. I had marion barber who i couldnt keep with gore, but i could have swapped him for an equal running back and now both teams have a second keeper for free? pretty gay. If we do redraft, those new rules seem overly complex, but they do actually make sense. My team blows for the aforementioned reasons, so i obviously prefer a redraft, but im down with whatever. if we keep this league, i need some receivers, unfortunately i have shit to work with in a trade.

[Kopek]

As long as someone isn't putting Peyton as their 14th round selection instead of as their 2nd or keeper, I'm down. But if it's going to grind to a whine fest for people to redraft, I'm fine with the little value I got.

[shdaow]

Redraft seems like it would take too much work, especially with the season around the corner. Leave it as is, we'll deal with it next year.

[ruffdog]

Redraft seems like it would take too much work, especially with the season around the corner. Leave it as is, we'll deal with it next year.

amen to that

[Pollo]

As long as someone isn't putting Peyton as their 14th round selection instead of as their 2nd or keeper, I'm down. But if it's going to grind to a whine fest for people to redraft, I'm fine with the little value I got.

yea, that turned out pretty super gay. I dont really care what you do, i knew i wasnt going to be able to make the draft and i didnt understand how ridiculous the trade rules were/have the internet access to try and take advantage of them. All they basically did was allow a team to have essentially unlimited keepers. I had marion barber who i couldnt keep with gore, but i could have swapped him for an equal running back and now both teams have a second keeper for free? pretty gay. If we do redraft, those new rules seem overly complex, but they do actually make sense. My team blows for the aforementioned reasons, so i obviously prefer a redraft, but im down with whatever. if we keep this league, i need some receivers, unfortunately i have shit to work with in a trade.

yeah, as I've said before, I really underestimated how these trades would screw over some teams. the last thing I want is for you to lose immediate hope that your team has no shot at doing anything this year. it seems I got immediate feedback and it looks like a re-draft looks like the choice, meaning we just void the current league unless I drop all players from all teams and do an offline draft -- which is a big mess and takes forever.

for that matter, setting up a new league is the best solution. the new league will employ the same scoring settings now with the rules and restrictions I listed. the question is, when do you guys want it? Tuesday or Wednesday evening a problem for anyone?

shortly I will put up the new info for the new league.

[ruffdog]

Wednesday sounds good

[Syndicate]

Well I agree that this entire fiasco was a mess, even though I really like my team. That being said, if we're gonna go through the trouble a re-draft to fix this mess I think you're still over complicating things, and we'll end up with only a slightly less fucked up version of what we have now.

My opinion is fuck the trades for now, give everyone two keepers from their current roster, and then we re-draft using the same order. Like I said, just my opinion, but I think overall that would be more fair than what you guys are planning on doing.

[Muji]

i agree with syn, screw the trades

[Syndicate]

i agree with syn, screw the trades

How can you argue with Neckbeard's giant peen? YOU CAN'T! It knows ALL.

[Pollo]

I definitely was thinking before making that big post about just doing two keepers and screw the trading, but just taking a look over the rosters last year, I feel there's 3-4 teams that I think don't have much talent ... hence why I wanted to do one keeper (and one trade) to try to balance out the talent distribution.

I've gone ahead and made the new league ... the info is below. don't be alarmed that I have it as an offline draft now (I just did that since I want to find a day/time that works for most of us).

League #: 616550
Pass: football

[shdaow]

Can I not leave the old league anymore? I was hoping to play in one public league this year too...

[Pollo]

Can I not leave the old league anymore? I was hoping to play in one public league this year too...

unfortunately, I looked into this and the answer is no. even as the commish, I cannot delete the league so that we can move over to the new one. as I've said before, the only chance to keep this league is to drop all roster players and have an offline draft -- but that would require way more work and time to do than to just set up a new league and conduct a draft.

[Muji]

i tried to sign up at the new league but i am maxed out on teams, is there any way you can delete me from the old league so i can sign up? or do i have to go and create a whole new yahoo account for this to happen??

[Pollo]

my thinking is the latter: just make a new account so you can sign up (and the same goes for shdaow if you still insist on signing up for a public league). I maxed out on my main account, but I do have a secondary account.

I've tried to actually delete the old league, but when I do, Yahoo tells me it's only a "pre-draft" feature -- so since we already drafted, I cannot delete the league. the only way that league can stand is if I drop all roster players and we do an offline draft, but that's going to be a big hassle to do and will require more time and for that matter, making a new league and drafting again is much simpler.

[JT]

You guys are pussies!

[ninja33]

well then, wednesday works best for me. I still say trading is a little bit complicated, and i vote for two keepers as well. I understand that some teams kind of suck, so here's what we can do. each team gets two options:
-Keep two of your players
-If you dont want to keep a second guy, you can use your second round pick on the leftovers from the keepers.

[Pollo]

that's definitely an interesting proposal, in addition to one keeper (and allowing one restricted trade if you choose so), and I'll consider it seeing there were 3-4 teams which I can honestly say don't have two worthy guys to keep. I'll give my decision later on.

I've conditionally made the draft for this Wednesday at 5 PM Pacific, but if that's a burden, let me know ASAP since Yahoo slots are going fast.

[Syndicate]

Alright... I got signed up for the new league. If we are still sticking with one keeper and one trade I'll be keeping Moss & trading Manning for Romo with JT. I can forward Pollo the PM from JT that ok's this trade if needs be.

[Syndicate]

that's definitely an interesting proposal, in addition to one keeper (and allowing one restricted trade if you choose so), and I'll consider it seeing there were 3-4 teams which I can honestly say don't have two worthy guys to keep. I'll give my decision later on.

Seriously I say no more changes. Not an order or anything here, but just my opinion. This league is already weird enough as is. Let's just stick to the one keeper and the one trade and do this damn thing already.

[nuclearjew]

I definitely was thinking before making that big post about just doing two keepers and screw the trading, but just taking a look over the rosters last year, I feel there's 3-4 teams that I think don't have much talent ... hence why I wanted to do one keeper (and one trade) to try to balance out the talent distribution.
The whole trading thing makes no sense. Why even have keepers at all then? So ruffdog gets to keep either Brady or LT, then he can trade the other one for another top-tier keeper? That's nonsense.

The way keepers should work is that you can't keep anyone you drafted in the first three rounds (maybe first four rounds...when I do first three rounds, it's in a 12-team league). This eliminates most superstar keepers. And you shouldn't be able to trade shit (except maybe trading your keeper for a draft pick or something along those lines).

As far as teams not having much keeper talent, that's why you shouldn't be able to keep anyone drafted in the first three (four...five) rounds, like 100% of all other keeper leagues I've been involved in.

[Kopek]

The way keepers should work is that you can't keep anyone you drafted in the first three rounds (maybe first four rounds...when I do first three rounds, it's in a 12-team league). This eliminates most superstar keepers. And you shouldn't be able to trade shit (except maybe trading your keeper for a draft pick or something along those lines).

That's the only keeper league rule I've heard of. All this trading multiple top tier talent bullshit is new to me.

[JT]

Why didn't anyone speak up before the draft? It is odd that some of you flex the vagina after the draft.

[Kopek]

It's odd that people are essentially posturing/drafting/trading the top 25 players even before the draft has started. What's the point of doing a draft then?

[nuclearjew]

Why didn't anyone speak up before the draft? It is odd that some of you flex the vagina after the draft.
I'm pretty sure I spoke up about it, unfortunately it was too close to the draft. I didn't pay any attention to the keeper/trading rules because I knew I wasn't going to be doing any trading, because I had Addai, why would I want to trade anything? And then I asked you what the hell was going on and all of a sudden there's trade after trade and you're keeping 5 top-tier players? That's retarded. But continue to be the tough non-vagina guy when you know you're completely wrong here. These rules were bullshit and if I had read them earlier, I would've complained about how unfair they are. I think I could still contend with my team, but it sucks for other people who weren't sitting at home on Labor Day weekend.

[ninja33]

the trades hardly do anything to help those shitty teams anyway. The good teams with multiple top tier talents are just going to swap those guys and end up with two or three good keepers anyway...while the shitty teams dont have much to trade so they cant help themselves that much. the trades should be nixed.

...that said, if theyre not, someone want to swap some running backs?

[Pollo]

the trades hardly do anything to help those shitty teams anyway. The good teams with multiple top tier talents are just going to swap those guys and end up with two or three good keepers anyway...while the shitty teams dont have much to trade so they cant help themselves that much. the trades should be nixed.

...that said, if theyre not, someone want to swap some running backs?

and putting it in that perspective makes alot of sense. the last thing I wanted was for certain teams to be immediately called off in terms that they won't be competitive in the league. plus, now that I've seen the turmoil it's caused, I never would of thought it would of gotten to this.

so for that matter, I'll just call off on trades, but one keeper will still be on tact. the keeper selections (pre-trade) that were made in the old league will be the same unless you change your mind.

[Pollo]

also, I moved back the time of the draft to 6:30 PM Pacific (9:30 PM Eastern) since some of us are also in the Hardcore league, which their draft is 5 PM Pacific on Wednesday.

[JT]

I'm pretty sure I spoke up about it, unfortunately it was too close to the draft. I didn't pay any attention to the keeper/trading rules because I knew I wasn't going to be doing any trading, because I had Addai, why would I want to trade anything? And then I asked you what the hell was going on and all of a sudden there's trade after trade and you're keeping 5 top-tier players? That's retarded. But continue to be the tough non-vagina guy when you know you're completely wrong here. These rules were bullshit and if I had read them earlier, I would've complained about how unfair they are. I think I could still contend with my team, but it sucks for other people who weren't sitting at home on Labor Day weekend.

I just went by the guildelines that were established. I asked in fucking detail as to exactly how this was going down via PM with Pollo. I even brought up the fact that under these rules you could field half a team pre draft. He said yes if that was something you wanted to do. So fuck off with your " I am completely wrong" statement. I wasn't wiggling my way around loopholes in the rules. I told you before hand what I was trying to do. I just took the initiative to look over all the rosters and send out offers to the other teams. I think I sent one out to every team but maybe Patsfan since he's never on GMF.




So we are back to just 1 Keeper? Or 2?

[nuclearjew]

Fuck this nonsense. I"m out.

[ruffdog]

make it 2 keepers no trades and let do this fucking draft

[Pollo]

one keeper. no trades. that's it.

[ruffdog]

poll it

[Muji]

all in favor of Ruff having to have Rudi Johnson as his keeper?

[ruffdog]

blow me

[Kopek]

But if it's going to grind to a whine fest for people to redraft, I'm fine with the little value I got.

[ruffdog]

alright, lets just stick with the current league we got

[Kopek]

But it's still gay.

[ruffdog]

lets play 2 leagues then

gay and non gay

[Muji]

we only have 9 teams signed up, who isnt joining us?

[Pollo]

I'm still waiting for shdaow to join. he said he would in a PM he sent me earlier today.

[Muji]

ok when will we know do sure? only an hour + to go , not much time to find a replacement

[ruffdog]

wtf

I thought the draft was at 5

[BSM]

So the draft is fucked -

[ruffdog]

yeah
no keepers

[ninja33]

that kinda blows, i had my rankings done without those guys...i probably would have taken brady. guess thats what happens when you cant make the draft. i still like my starting roster a little bit, i need some WR.

[Pollo]

that kinda blows, i had my rankings done without those guys...i probably would have taken brady. guess thats what happens when you cant make the draft. i still like my starting roster a little bit, i need some WR.

you still got your keeper!

but to cut a long story short, what happened was I had a custom draft order with the keeper selections set. NJ joined the league late and when he did, Yahoo converted all my custom settings (minus the scoring settings) back to standard -- which in turn made the order random and lost all the keeper picks. I couldn't change these settings back to the way I had them since Yahoo doesn't allow changes 45 minutes before the draft.

[JT]

damn you NJ!

actually I don't really give a shit.

[shdaow]

Sorry I didn't show up guys... I woke up at 12 Noon, and was out of the door at 2... just got back home now (2 Am here..) I had no chance to get on my computer.

[BSM]

This Michael Turner kid is pretty good.

[mbslugger89]

ya too bad nobody told me that before the first week or i wouldnt be out 60 bones

[JT]

So no trash talking in here? Come on now we gotta have a little convo during the season.

[AJ]

JT is gay, because he won't post in OT right now. FAG!

[JT]

Goddamnit!

[AJ]

Stay away from my butthole!

[JT]

Double stuff

[Pollo]

I guess I could ask: how is everyone liking their gay/non-gay teams so far?

[JT]

I guess I could ask: how is everyone liking their JT's Bitches/non-gay teams so far?

[BSM]

Feelin' pretty good about my squad.

[Muji]

i dropped Tom Brady and picked up Colt Brennan

[BSM]

Good luck with that.

[JT]

My squads are both sexy.

[nuclearjew]

Westbrook for Portis straight up? That's fucking larceny.

[Pollo]

My squads are both sexy.

and both of them took a beating to yours truly.

[JT]

Every dog has it's day. This weeks was a stupid week for fantasy.