VP Candidate Palin

[Hanover Fist]

But it is your business. It is potentially the vice-president of your country. It's not some family two houses down the street who you can ignore and tell your kids to stay away from. You have an interest in this woman.


What the fuck does her kid having a kid at a legal age out of wedlock have to do with her being vice-president?
Kids make mistakes all the time, it's how they handle the situation after the mistake that is more telling.

[BIG PIZZLE]

If you can't fucking lead your family to success, how can you lead a fucking country???

Well her son is going to Iraq. Maybe he'll die and then she will have to get elected.

[Hanover Fist]

Well her son is going to Iraq. Maybe he'll die and then she will have to get elected.

I'm guessing you must be pretty stoned to sound as retarded as crack, no way someone could do that sober.

[BIG PIZZLE]

What the fuck does her kid having a kid at a legal age out of wedlock have to do with her being vice-president?
Kids make mistakes all the time, it's how they handle the situation after the mistake that is more telling.

If you can't fucking lead your family to success, how can you lead a fucking country???

Plus the only thing this chick had going for her were her conservative vaules which she seems to have failed at passing on to her kids.

I cant believe I quoted Crack to refute your post. That should tell you something about how absurd your position is. Also, making your daughter marry the douchebag that got her pregnant to save your own political career is a great piece of parenting.

[BIG PIZZLE]

I'm guessing you must be pretty stoned to sound as retarded as crack, no way someone could do that sober.

It's sad, but you cant deny that there is some truth to that.

[Mustard]

What the fuck does her kid having a kid at a legal age out of wedlock have to do with her being vice-president?
Kids make mistakes all the time, it's how they handle the situation after the mistake that is more telling.
The point is the ultra-con mom (Sarah Palin) should have been the first person on Earth to teach her eldest daughter about those same ultra-con positions, (you know, like having kids out of wedlock and such) so that those "mistakes" don't manifest.

For fucks sake man, if Sarah Palin can't instill those core ultra-con values that she supposedly has instilled within her, then how in the fuck can we America citizens assume that she is up to the job to instill those same values whilst holding the office of Vice President of the United States?

[BIG PIZZLE]

Maybe her daugher is a maverick too.

[Mr. Brown]

I've been in an out of this one all day. It's ok to make mention and talk a little about the daughter but let's not make that the focus. As for the Creationism, that I'm not with and I have no problem admitting that I'm a logic driven Christian. Creationism is a christian school of though and not accepted as the "truth" for all Christians. I don't believe that the world was made 6000 years ago. I don't see God as a literally sculptor but a pattern that shows that none of this is random. Creationism should be touched on in Science class but well explained as a religious and philosophical thought not a fact, nor is evolution since it's called a "theory"

What's intresting is that there is still so little to talk about with her, shouldn't there be pages of debate about her policies and voting record to show what type of leader she will be for the nation?

Is it maybe b/c she has so little that she really done this is all we can talk about?

[Crack]

4:20

[BIG PIZZLE]

Done and done.

[Le Goat]

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/chknfaqr/7b6662f7.jpg

[Mustard]

You hit it on the head Mr. Brown... the reason we are having character debates about Sarah Palin is because we simply have so little to go on about her actual policy implementations. Of course we would have more to go on if her total political experience included more than 20 months total as Governor of Alaska, and a couple years as mayor of pop. 9000 Wasilla....

[Claydon]

You hit it on the head Mr. Brown... the reason we are having character debates about Sarah Palin is because we simply have so little to go on about her actual policy implementations. Of course we would have more to go on if her total political experience included more than 20 months total as Governor of Alaska, and a couple years as mayor of pop. 9000 Wasilla....

Governor for 20 months or an absent jr. senator.

hmmm

[BIG PIZZLE]

It's not just that. SHE'S RUNNING ON HER VALUES. She was a political token but all that is gone now.

[BIG PIZZLE]

Governor for 20 months or an absent jr. senator.

hmmm

Which millions of americans are OK with. McCain was the one judge of Palin's qualifications. I dont think McCain is stupid, I also dont think he's the worst potential president (unlike a lot of conservatives). But he got this very wrong.

[Le Goat]

It's not just that. SHE'S RUNNING ON HER VALUES. She was a political token but all that is gone now.

Yet again you show you are an idiot. It's no different than shunning Obama 'cause people think he's muslim. This was something the fucking daughter did. Palin didn't sit there and watch them have sex, she didnt grab his dick and guide it into her daughters puss...it happened and if anything, pushes her to stronger values on teen pregnancy or what have you.

[BIG PIZZLE]

No because he's not a muslim and he's not running on his christian or muslim values. You're right she didnt sit there and watch them have sex. But it seems that she failed to provide any supervision at all. She didnt let it happen but she failed a preventing it from happening which is what parents are supposed to do.

[BIG PIZZLE]

Yet again you show you are an idiot. It's no different than shunning Obama 'cause people think he's muslim. This was something the fucking daughter did. Palin didn't sit there and watch them have sex, she didnt grab his dick and guide it into her daughters puss...it happened and if anything, pushes her to stronger values on teen pregnancy or what have you.If your 9 year old gets into a car and runs someone over, THE PARENT IS RESPONSIBLE. The parent didnt give the kid the keys and the parent wasnt riding shotgun but the parent failed to guide or intervene which is a failure of the parent's duty to society. That is a very conservative line of thinking. The child is the parent's responsibility. You're just jealous because someone boned a stupid, underage, pasty white-girl before you could get your infected penis in there.

[Le Goat]

No because he's not a muslim and he's not running on his christian or muslim values. You're right she didnt sit there and watch them have sex. But it seems that she failed to provide any supervision at all. She didnt let it happen but she failed a preventing it from happening which is what parents are supposed to do.

no shit he's not muslim sherlock, that was the point. People bust his balls for being something he's not, just as you bust her labia's for being a bad mom when she's clearly not... AS for the failed supervision, lets see here, take a look at your life right now, if you were married to a woman with a successful career, and you had a kid, do you think you'd be with your kid long enough during the day to keep her/him from having sex? I fucking doubt it. She's 17, not fucking 6.

[Le Goat]

If your 9 year old gets into a car and runs someone over, THE PARENT IS RESPONSIBLE. The parent didnt give the kid the keys and the parent wasnt riding shotgun but the parent failed to guide or intervene which is a failure of the parent's duty to society. That is a very conservative line of thinking. The child is the parent's responsibility.

She's 17 you fucking ******

[Mustard]

Governor for 20 months or an absent jr. senator.

hmmm
This argument is so tragically stupid and pathetic I don't even know why I bother with "facts" with you and your ilk... but here I am giving it a try anyway for the 92nd time.

Obama has been a US Senator since 2004 AND was in the Illinios Senate representing his district which has FAR more than 9000 people in it (read: not Wasilla, AK) for another 8 years before 2004. Thats 12 years of governing in the 5th most populous state in the Union.

Who has more political experience? HMM???

The fact that Palin has so very little experience is the EXACT REASON we are having to resort to character debates about her. I don't expect you to do any critical thinking (such as tying idea A to idea B in a logical way using deductive reasoning) on your own, so I guess thats the only reason I bother typing this out for you to read and disagree with because you're just a partisan tool who will do whatever it takes to keep defending the indefensible with cracked logic, desperate assumptions, and unreasonable and false arguments.

Jesus fucking christ on a cracker...

[BIG PIZZLE]

I dont think experience is the proper arguement. I conceed that Obama is not experienced but I trust his judgment more than Palin's and certainly more than McCain's after this fiasco.

[Claydon]

Yet again you show you are an idiot. It's no different than shunning Obama 'cause people think he's muslim. This was something the fucking daughter did. Palin didn't sit there and watch them have sex, she didnt grab his dick and guide it into her daughters puss...it happened and if anything, pushes her to stronger values on teen pregnancy or what have you.

or did she?!

PICS! NOW!

[Claydon]

This argument is so tragically stupid and pathetic I don't even know why I bother with "facts" with you and your ilk... but here I am giving it a try anyway for the 92nd time.

Obama has been a US Senator since 2004 AND was in the Illinios Senate representing his district which has FAR more than 9000 people in it (read: not Wasilla, AK) for another 8 years before 2004. Thats 12 years of governing in the 5th most populous state in the Union.

Who has more political experience? HMM???

The fact that Palin has so very little experience is the EXACT REASON we are having to resort to character debates about her. I don't expect you to do any critical thinking (such as tying idea A to idea B in a logical way using deductive reasoning) on your own, so I guess thats the only reason I bother typing this out for you to read and disagree with because you're just a partisan tool who will do whatever it takes to keep defending the indefensible with cracked logic, desperate assumptions, and unreasonable and false arguments.

Jesus fucking christ on a cracker...

Bill Clinton was/is a total douchebag and he was lightyears more qualified having been a governor than Obama.

[Mustard]

I dont think experience is the proper arguement. I conceed that Obama is not experienced but I trust his judgment more than Palin's and certainly more than McCain's after this fiasco.
When John McCain's best argument all along was "Obama isn't ready to lead" because he doesn't have enough experience, and then goes and chooses a person who will be one 72 year-old heartbeat away from the Presidency who has far less experience than Obama does...

So yeah, i think experience is a proper argument. McCain made it a central theme of his campaign... and now he is a "do as I say, not as I do" hypocrite and I intend to push that point right back in his face every chance I get.

[Mustard]

Bill Clinton was/is a total douchebag and he was lightyears more qualified having been a governor than Obama.
Sarah Palin is Dan Quayle version 2.0.

game set match.

[BIG PIZZLE]

no shit he's not muslim sherlock, that was the point. People bust his balls for being something he's not, just as you bust her labia's for being a bad mom when she's clearly not... AS for the failed supervision, lets see here, take a look at your life right now, if you were married to a woman with a successful career, and you had a kid, do you think you'd be with your kid long enough during the day to keep her/him from having sex? I fucking doubt it. She's 17, not fucking 6.

Totally, you're right. She put her career ahead of her family. But that doesnt sound like conservative family values. And of course you cant supervise your kids 24/7. That's why you teach them right from wrong, something she seems to have failed to do. And that's OK too, parents make mistakes just like kids do but since she's RUNNING ON HER VALUES this is more than a failure, it is hypocrisy.

She's 17 you fucking ******

That doesnt change shit, moron. It's an analogy. Read a book you backwards fucking hick. Plus you honestly believe 17 y/o are ok to lead their lives w/o supervision? I cant wait for your kids to try meth.

[Hanover Fist]

Interesting take on it from NewsWeek of all places.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837862,00.html?xid=rss-topstories

[Le Goat]

Totally, you're right. She put her career ahead of her family. But that doesnt sound like conservative family values. And of course you cant supervise your kids 24/7. That's why you teach them right from wrong, something she seems to have failed to do. And that's OK too, parents make mistakes just like kids do but since she's RUNNING ON HER VALUES this is more than a failure, it is hypocrisy.



That doesnt change shit, moron. It's an analogy. Read a book you backwards fucking hick. Plus you honestly believe 17 y/o are ok to lead their lives w/o supervision? I cant wait for your kids to try meth.

You really are the poster child for keeping the female at home. I'm all for that too, but at least I come out and say it. She was good at something, went for it, obtained it and is now in the process of going far beyond what she thought possible. I refuse to put something on her that isn't meant to be. If you really want to attack someone, attack Obama's lovely dealings with a corrupt business man. That's far more pertinant to FUCKING OBAMA'S CHARACTER than Palin's daughter is to her character or even Mc Cain's.

[BIG PIZZLE]

If my 17 y/o girl got pregnant, I would consider myself a failure as a parent and I hold her to the same standard. On top of that, she's not some broke single-mom living in a trailer. She's a professional woman with what seemed like a good family.

[BIG PIZZLE]

Plus totally, if possible I would love for the mother of my kids to stay home and raise them. I dont see anything wrong with that, in fact I would also love for the opportunity to raise my kids while my wife made money. That's a luxury and some people see it as oppression which is rediculous.

[kareyn01]

Back to business. ABC News has learned that Sarah Palin was, in fact, a member of secessionist Alaskan Party AIP, and that she and her husband even attended their convention in 1994: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html

Palin claims that AIP is not secessionist, although they believe that the vote for statehood was was "invalid" and that the federal government has since breached the contract for statehood on "numerous occasions". Oh, and there's that pesky fact that they want a vote on secession: http://www.akip.org/introduction.html

On a side/hilarious note, the party's motto is "Alaska First, Alaska Always", which seems to butt heads with McCain's motto of "Country First".

[Mr. Brown]

Governor for 20 months or an absent jr. senator.

hmmm
Come on is that only response you have everyone asks about that? Fine take out her time as governor and his as a senator what else has she done to show she can lead the nation? The small town problems that she may have faced are not the same as as the bigger cities.

[Mustard]

"Country First... but not if its Alaska"?

[BIG PIZZLE]

Honestly all this aside. If you grade each candidate's first major executive decision, the choice of a running mate, there's no way that McCain comes out on top. Palin has been nothing but a destraction. Initially, it was a good destraction because it took away from Obama's speach, but now it's getting ugly to the point where nobody's even talking about McCain at all. That's not what you want in a VP pick.

[Claydon]

Come on is that only response you have everyone asks about that? Fine take out her time as governor and his as a senator what else has she done to show she can lead the nation? The small town problems that she may have faced are not the same as as the bigger cities.

Granted...I am often reminded of Truman when people bring up the experience issue. Truman started life selling cheap suits in Missouri and dropped the bomb on Japan. However, given the vomit from Obama up too and including his declaration about the failure of the change in tactics in Iraq I have serious doubts as to his judgement, and his judgement based on the people he has associated himself with over the years. Mostly I said that (abscent jr. senator) too annoy Sink who is probably the most partisan bafoon I have ever seen on a forum. Be that as it may, with regards to Obama's lack of judgement US forces today officially handed over Anbhar province to the nascent Iraqi government. I guess Obama and Reid were correct..... the surge was a failure. A 90% drop in violence is a super dooper failure.

[Mustard]

Mostly I said that (abscent jr. senator) too annoy Sink who is probably the most partisan bafoon I have ever seen on a forum.
Hahaha! Have you looked in the mirror... like ever? What a tool...

Oh, and I find it wildly hilarious you "mostly said that (absent [sic] Jr. [sic] Senator [sic]) to [sic] annoy Sink" because now you have just admitted to posting a retarded and illogical argument JUST to annoy another member. The fact of the matter is you can't argue anything else (like facts) with me because you know I'm just gonna shove your stuipd bullshit right back in your face, so you have to stoop to "annoy"ing me...

Fucking pathetic dude. Even for you.

[BIG PIZZLE]

Claydon is SO not pathetic. You should be ashamed.

[Claydon]

Hahaha! Have you looked in the mirror... like ever? What a tool...

Oh, and I find it wildly hilarious you "mostly said that (absent [sic] Jr. [sic] Senator [sic]) to [sic] annoy Sink" because now you have just admitted to posting a retarded and illogical argument JUST to annoy another member. The fact of the matter is you can't argue anything else (like facts) with me because you know I'm just gonna shove your stuipd bullshit right back in your face, so you have to stoop to "annoy"ing me...

Fucking pathetic dude. Even for you.

Sink, all you do is post bullshit ie "irony of hurricanes and RNC meeting".

Go back to your spam and french toast sandwiches.

[BIG PIZZLE]

I enjoyed that youtube clip.

[Mustard]

Sink, all you do is post bullshit ie "irony of hurricanes and RNC meeting".

Go back to your spam and french toast sandwiches.
HAHAHA! Me posting the idiocy of the religious right is now somehow bullshit and all that I post?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

You sure are a stupid mother fucker aren't you.

[BIG PIZZLE]

If you think Obama got Brittney Spear's attention, wait until Palin ventures out into the public. She's got some paparazzi hype going on.

[Claydon]

HAHAHA! Me posting the idiocy of the religious right is now somehow bullshit and all that I post?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

You sure are a stupid mother fucker aren't you.



Enter the RNC meeting today for the first day... and oddly enough, McCain decided to cut it short because of rain in the form of Hurricane Gustav. If that wasn't enough, now there is another Hurricane (Hanna this time) set to make landfall in South Carolina on the same day McCain gives his acceptance speech, probably further distracting the nation from McCain and the RNC and putting more attention on South Carolina and Hanna making landfall.



It just really makes you go.... hmm?

The fact you even ponder something this asinine is mind boggling, secondly the fact you are even looking at fools that pray for rain that represent 1% of the republican party and then paint the entire party with this assumption shows what a mindless morbidly obese man you truly are. Way to represent all that is wrong with america, obese, ignorant, soon to be diabetic, and easily swayed by the blogs of the extremists of both sides of the party. Come to think of it, the extreme of the left would in fact be communism, so based your rational of assumption based on fluff from the internet can we consider you to be communist? Clearly in your weak, spam loaded mind the answer clearly is yes. You are the one contemplating the irony of the extreme right in conjunctions with a storm type that hits the US every year at this time. Show us more about that steel trap of a mind of yours fat boy.

[freegood]

Honestly all this aside. If you grade each candidate's first major executive decision, the choice of a running mate, there's no way that McCain comes out on top. Palin has been nothing but a destraction. Initially, it was a good destraction because it took away from Obama's speach, but now it's getting ugly to the point where nobody's even talking about McCain at all. That's not what you want in a VP pick.

I don't know how much better this can get. I assumed his advisors weren't as senile or loony as a 72 year old man, but he might've done better in the long run with liebercunt (or any of the others on his shortlist...).

[Mustard]

The fact you even ponder something this asinine is mind boggling, secondly the fact you are even looking at fools that pray for rain that represent 1% of the republican party and then paint the entire party with this assumption shows what a mindless morbidly obese man you truly are. Way to represent all that is wrong with america, obese, ignorant, soon to be diabetic, and easily swayed by the blogs of the extremists of both sides of the party. Come to think of it, the extreme of the left would in fact be communism, so based your rational of assumption based on fluff from the internet can we consider you to be communist? Clearly in your weak, spam loaded mind the answer clearly is yes. You are the one contemplating the irony of the extreme right in conjunctions with a storm type that hits the US every year at this time. Show us more about that steel trap of a mind of yours fat boy.
It must really chap your ass that my keen arguments have you literally frothing at the mouth, hurling cheap insults, and leaving your reputation on GMF in tatters with every snide and callous remark you make.

HAHAHA! This is too much. BWAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAA!!!

[Claydon]

It must really chap your ass that my keen arguments have you literally frothing at the mouth, hurling cheap insults, and leaving your reputation on GMF in tatters with every snide and callous remark you make.

HAHAHA! This is too much. BWAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAA!!!

1. GMF is all about snide callous remarks (ie pedo jokes about me)

2. You are a legend in your own mind.

[Mustard]

Well, to be fair, your reputation on GMF has been in the proverbial shitter for over a full and sustained year now...

Oh, and I'd rather be a legend in my own mind than be you trying to argue points against me any day of the week, bub.

[Claydon]

Well, to be fair, your reputation on GMF has been in the proverbial shitter for over a full and sustained year now...

Oh, and I'd rather be a legend in my own mind than be you trying to argue points against me any day of the week, bub.

two years

[Mustard]

my mistake. i have brought shame and dishonor to my family.

[Claydon]

my mistake. i have brought shame and dishonor to my family.

technically 3 years.....buuuuut

[Mustard]

well... nobody is perfect.

[kid_vidrio]

Take it outside ladies.
And Claydon, I never joke about you being pedo.

[smith42687]

All I have to say is:

Electoral College > This Thread.

The Republic Strikes Back.

[Deadhead Derek]

I just wonder if she ever took a public stand on abstinence only sex ed...

(09-01) 18:25 PDT St. Paul, Minn. -- When she ran for governor of Alaska in 2006, Sarah Palin was asked if she would support abstinence-before-marriage programs over sex education, school clinics and contraceptive distribution. She was firm in her answer: "Explicit sex ed programs will not find my support."



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But that response came back today to haunt her - and presidential campaign of GOP candidate John McCain - with the news that Palin's unmarried, 17-year-old daughter, Bristol, is five months pregnant.

[Claydon]

www,msnbc.msn.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26501011/)

The 17-year-old daughter of Alaska governor Sarah Palin is pregnant. If not for the fact that Senator John McCain has chosen Palin to be his running mate, would we care? I doubt it.

Until last week, few people in the “lower 48” could even identify Palin. Since then, though, there has been an awful lot of discussion on blogs and even some mainstream news sites about Palin and sex. Now we learn that Bristol Palin is pregnant, that she’ll keep the baby, and that she and the father will marry.

Predictably, sadly so, partisans on both sides are showing their worst instincts. The sexual hypocrisy is so thick you can’t see through the fog.

Some social conservatives who would use this sort of information to crucify a Democrat whose child became pregnant without benefit of marriage are defending the Palins for “doing the right thing.” Bristol is not getting an abortion, they say. She is getting married. She is living the family credo.

Some social liberals are downright gleeful, arguing that this incident “proves” Sarah Palin can’t control her own family, or that her own conservative sexual beliefs are bankrupt, or most scurrilous of all, that she was covering for an earlier Bristol pregnancy by claiming her new-born son as her own.

In reaction to the story, many comments on Newsvine were so vile I won’t repeat them here.

War in Iraq, economy imploding, energy transformation finally on America’s agenda, income disparity threatening the social order, cynicism infecting every corner of American life, a tectonic shift to a multi-polar world, a collapsing educational system, and you want to make the pregnancy of a 17-year-old a political issue?

Stop it. Unmarried 17-year-old girls get pregnant every day in this country — too many of them — and they come from strong, healthy families, and broken, dysfunctional families, and conservative families and liberal families. Bristol’s pregnancy says nothing about Sarah Palin’s suitability to be the next vice-president just as Obama’s youthful cocaine use, or his middle name, says nothing about his suitability to be the next president.

But this country is stuck in junior high when it comes to sex. We either want to condemn it and say it shouldn’t be discussed in any realistic way, or we want to drench ourselves in it.

So we hear all about Palin’s hotness quotient or her local beauty queen victory, all of which is about as relevant as the fact that she has hunted moose. (I’ve spent some time in Alaska, fell in love with my wife in Alaska, and hung out with a lot of Alaskans and can tell you that hunting moose is to Alaskans what lunching at Barney’s wine bar is to New Yorkers. No big deal.)

If we want to talk about sex and politics, how about talking about whether or not the candidates defend comprehensive sex education, or favor abstinence-only sex education? Data has debunked the abstinence-only approach as wishful thinking. Texas, for example, which strongly endorses abstinence-only, and demands parental consent before teenagers can get contraception, leads the nation in its rate of teen pregnancies, dropping only by 19 percent from 1991 to 2004 while the rest of country dropped by over 30 percent.

Meanwhile in California, where comprehensive sex-education is mandatory in public schools, the teen pregnancy rate dropped by 47 percent.

That’s what matters. It is none of my business that Bristol Palin is pregnant or what sexual prescriptions Sarah Palin chooses in her own household. It is my business what prescriptions McCain-Palin and Obama-Biden want to give me.

We have to stop this juvenile sexual innuendo. Hillary is gay. Bill has 1,000 mistresses. McCain is a serial babe stalker.

I don’t care. I don’t think any of us should care how a politician lives his or her private sexual life as long as that life is consensual and legal. Otherwise, we’re just asking for continued hypocrisy, continued degradation of the civic discussion in this country, continued show-trials-by-media of people who engage in the very same acts many of us engage in every day.

Recent history has proven that if we don’t stop, we will wind up with exactly the leaders we deserve.

Pretty much sums up how I feel.

[Philip Lombard]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/images/palinderailed2.jpg

[Deadhead Derek]

actually, that was a good link, Claydon. I agree. it matters not one whit.

[Kerjack]

says nothing about Sarah Palin’s suitability to be the next vice-president just as Obama’s youthful cocaine use, or his middle name, says nothing about his suitability to be the next president.Whoa, what? Really? He used? I'm not sure if I agree on that THAT holds no bearing.

[Deadhead Derek]

Whoa, what? Really? He used? I'm not sure if I agree on that THAT holds no bearing.Yeah, the only one I had heard that about was bushy....

[vasili denisov]

War in Iraq, economy imploding, energy transformation finally on America’s agenda, income disparity threatening the social order, cynicism infecting every corner of American life, a tectonic shift to a multi-polar world, a collapsing educational system, and you want to make the pregnancy of a 17-year-old a political issue?I think it's a private issue; what would make this entirely a non-political issue if this kind of decision was entirely between a woman and a doctor. In this case, McCain had to pass over some excellent women candidates because they were pro-choice, so he ended up with this poisoned chalice. The very reason we've arrived at this sorry episode isn't incidental to the party's stand on reproductive issues, but entirely and solely because of it.

There's a subsection of the republican party that has made this a very public issue; I'm not sure why they're congratulating Palin's daughter or any one on keeping the baby. They consider abortion equivalent to murder; would you congratulate a family member on not murdering anyone? She wouldn't even be making this choice if the Alaska supreme court hadn't overturned parental notification - the choice would lie entirely with her parents or a judge. I'm guessing Palin shares these views, because she's pro-life even in cases of rape and incest, it's these same hard-line opinions that stirred such enthusiasm.

I don't want this spectacle to happen either - neither Palin nor her family should endure anything like what's happening. But this is a strange sensitivity; when other young women get pregnant, they're made to feel like dysfunctional scum. If they make a different choice than Bristol Palin, they've murderous garbage. Women throughout the US have to live with that, and when some of those stark troubles intrude, the people who bring them up are considered the villains. Is this entirely about the difficulties this young woman faces, or not wanting to face how difficult the lives of others have been made by a hard-line political stance that's long been abided?

[Kerjack]

Yeah, the only one I had heard that about was bushy....

And he turned out so swell...

[Claydon]

sorry...

forgot the link for the above opinion

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26501011/

[Claydon]

And he turned out so swell...

He was one of the most powerful people in the world for 8 years...


you not so much

[Kerjack]

And I've had a surplus the last 8 years...

Him not so much.

[Claydon]

And I've had a surplus the last 8 years...

Him not so much.

congress has the federal checkbook

[Claydon]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/images/palinderailed2.jpg

you would hit that so hard

[Deadhead Derek]

Claydon, where is the link in the story to that which you posted of Obama's cocaine use? I read the link, but did not see it.

[Kerjack]

congress has the federal checkbook
So, if I know my bank account has 99 cents in it I still hold blame when I ask my wife to pick up takeout on the way home.

-----

I haven't ordered a single person executed in the last 8 years...

[kid_vidrio]

Claydon, where is the link in the story to that which you posted of Obama's cocaine use? I read the link, but did not see it.
It's in his book amigo.
Here's an article discussing it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/02/AR2007010201359_pf.html

[kid_vidrio]

Back on topic, it turns out that April Flowers is from the same town of Wasilla that got 20mm in federal funding through it's executive's deft use of Steven's ex-lobbyist.

Not only did she have the decency to spread the joy before getting married, she didn't get pregnant until afterwards.
http://www.juggsfinder.com/promoavs/april/gal01/aprilflowersdatapussy075.jpg

[The Batman]

If you think Obama got Brittney Spear's attention, wait until Palin ventures out into the public. She's got some paparazzi hype going on.


Maybe they can get an upskirt before too long!

[The Dude]

this is kinda hot:

http://www.hollywood-newsroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/sarah-palin-sexy-gun.jpg

[The Batman]

this is kinda hot:

http://www.hollywood-newsroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/sarah-palin-sexy-gun.jpg

real?

[The Dude]

as far as i know, yes

[billy1980]

And we all know her daughter puts out too. Im sure everyone knows Palins 17 year old daughter is pregnant

[kareyn01]

In more earmark news, the Washington Post is reporting that Palin employed a lobbying firm to secure more than $27 million in federal funds for Wasilla during her time as mayor. This, combined with the fact that Alaska is currently #1 in pork barrel spending, puts the lie to Palin's supposed stance against earmarks and government spending. Its also something (along with 527s) that John McCain has railed against in the past.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/01/AR2008090103148.html

[The Dude]

as far as i know, yes

actually, i have no idea...but anyway...

[cerebus]

real?


Nope. There's another picture with that dumbass look on her face, and they've just mirrored it.

I'll post it up once I can find it again.

[Cornelius]

This is the original of that Palin photo. That is a pretty convincing fake though.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/68/208036176_05fcaef86c_o.jpg

[Claydon]

In more earmark news, the Washington Post is reporting that Palin employed a lobbying firm to secure more than $27 million in federal funds for Wasilla during her time as mayor. This, combined with the fact that Alaska is currently #1 in pork barrel spending, puts the lie to Palin's supposed stance against earmarks and government spending. Its also something (along with 527s) that John McCain has railed against in the past.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/01/AR2008090103148.html

a county/state official trying to get funding for such things as sewer improvements.

shocking

[Stax]

a county/state official trying to get funding for such things as sewer improvements.

shocking

$27 million in federal funds for a town of 9000. Just be quiet man.

[Mr. Brown]

Pork: the other white meat

[The Dude]

$27 million in federal funds for a town of 9000. Just be quiet man.



as mayor of Wasilla (i hope that's what we're talking about) it was Palin's job to get funding for her town. She was elected to run, maintain, and improve...all of which takes money, much more than could ever be raised by local taxes.

as a VP candidate, the position that she has to take is obviously much different...ie, pork barrel spending is bad/unethical etc.


i don't think that's a case of waffling or flip flopping at all...when she was mayor, it was her duty to secure funds by any legal means necessary, which she did. she didn't approve the funds, she requested them...if anyone is at fault, its the legislators that approved the funds.


you have to understand that without federal monies, many smaller local municipalities in very rural areas would not be able to exist...whether it be for road improvements, bridges, sewer systems, etc...the price tag of those type of projects is far to high for any local municipality to take on with only local dollars.

at this point i can tell i'm rambling, but i think i've made my point.

[dadaelus]

I agree with that but I have to admit I hate hearing this "When I did it, it was OK. But now that I am not doing it, it is wrong."

Which pretty much sums up what I hate about political campaigns.

[kid_vidrio]

I totally agree. If she was asking for more than was necessary, there should be an oversight committee in place.
But if she knew there was no oversight committee, or that they didn't matter because she'd hired the guy with the juice, and that she asked for more than she needed because she knew that she could get it, I think it smacks of something more than a concerned public servant doing her job.

[yournobody]

the woman cant even run her own household and at the same time she runs alaska which has about as many people as my neighborhood yet we'd be willing to have you next in command for our 73 year old president? This one could get ugly

[Mr. Brown]

how can she not run her own house? b/c her daughter got pregnant? Then many of people can't run their own house. Lets stick to fact and info that's important. Like does she have in insight to lead, what are her credentials etc

[Pharon]

She's old enough to be McCain's live-in nurse. That's all that matters.

[Mr. Brown]

She's old enough to be McCain's live-in nurse. That's all that matters.
that's what she's there for

[vasili denisov]

Easily the funniest thing I've listened to in a while.

thmueS0ngAs

"ALASKA?!???"

you have to understand that without federal monies, many smaller local municipalities in very rural areas would not be able to exist...whether it be for road improvements, bridges, sewer systems, etc...the price tag of those type of projects is far to high for any local municipality to take on with only local dollars.

I won't debate the more complicated point, which is whether this isn't utterly odds at conservative ideas, that you work with the government strata closest to you, and only go to the federal government for monies out of absolute necessity, such as federal emergencies.

The point I'll question is that these monies were part of necessary maintenance and upkeep; you have $15 million of $27 million in the fund requests going for a rail project connecting the town to Anchorage. It may be beneficial to the community, but it's an inessential project, that shouldn't be getting government funding on any level.

[dadaelus]

She's old enough to be McCain's live-in nurse. That's all that matters.

She's got that whole diaper changing thing down to a science...but she crosses the line if she burps him at the cabinet meetings.

[The Batman]

how can she not run her own house? b/c her daughter got pregnant? Then many of people can't run their own house. Lets stick to fact and info that's important. Like does she have in insight to lead, what are her credentials etc

She has no credentials and lack of credentials means probably a lack of insight as well. There is no good reason why this lady should be VP. Not a single one. Being new the "game" is not a good reason.

[Smokestack]

Maybe the Harriet Miers comparisons are apt. The chances of her being taken off or taking herself off the ticket are up to 13% and rising on intrade.com:

http://www.intrade.com/aav2/trading/tradingHTML.jsp?selConID=638242


https://data.intrade.com/graphing/timeAndSalesChart.gif?contractId=638242&%20timePeriodType=LastDay&intradeChart=true&transBackground=true (http://www.intrade.com/aav2/trading/tradingHTML.jsp?selConID=638242)

[Claydon]

$27 million in federal funds for a town of 9000. Just be quiet man.


I live in a city of roughly 17,000 people and we got 4.2 million from the feds for our sewer system.

[kareyn01]

I live in a city of roughly 17,000 people and we got 4.2 million from the feds for our sewer system.

The point isn't just that Wasilla received federal funds under her watch, or that Alaska is the number one state in federal earmarks (even though its the 47th biggest in terms of population, or that she supported the financial white elephant known as the Bridge to Nowhere. The point is that this woman's entire political claim to fame is how she has railed against government spending and waste, pork-barrel spending in particular, and yet she spent $27 million for a town of 6,000, and has spent more federal money THAN ANY OTHER GOVERNOR IN THE COUNTRY. You always talk about actions speaking louder than words; well, those speak loud and clear.

Edit: Oh, and here's a link to the anti-pork barrel video game on John McCain's campaign website. http://www.johnmccain.com/videogame/invaders/

At some point Republicans are going to have to deal with the fact that Palin is a joke as a running mate, you might as well get it out of the way.

[Claydon]

The point isn't just that Wasilla received federal funds under her watch, or that Alaska is the number one state in federal earmarks (even though its the 47th biggest in terms of population, or that she supported the financial white elephant known as the Bridge to Nowhere. The point is that this woman's entire political claim to fame is how she has railed against government spending and waste, pork-barrel spending in particular, and yet she spent $27 million for a town of 6,000, and has spent more federal money THAN ANY OTHER GOVERNOR IN THE COUNTRY. You always talk about actions speaking louder than words; well, those speak loud and clear.

But she has taken on significant reforms of the republican party in Alaska. As for your comment of the population stat about alaska, I would like to point out Hawaii. The H3 highway in Ohau was built on a 50 mile wide island, cost the Federal government something on the order of 2 billion dollars, this was done with full force of the Hawaii'n Senators, Senator Inoye and Senator Akaka and the Clinton Administration. For a island that has no industry minus tourism and a population of 650,000. While we are on the whole population discussion, California has the highest population in the Union, and we put in more tax dollars into the federal coffers than any other state in the Union. Yet, we only see about 70 cents of every dollar we put into the coffers. Smaller population states throughout US, including alaska are always going to get large sums of money in proportion to their population. Now, if she had tried to get 5 million dollars for an oil and gas museum then I would preach a bitch, she did stop the bridge to nowhere after the costs skyrocketed. What is wrong with hiring a lobbyist? That is a basic right as defined in the constitution. If I am the mayor of say Ventura Ca, and I want to redo the sewage treatment plant to the tune of 30 million dollars why not spend $150,000 on a group that will lobby in my favor. The spin you people are throwing out is just incredible. You were all probably the same sorry saps that were clapping like sheeple when clinton pushed through tens of millions of dollars for 'midnight basketball' to get black youths off the streets back in the 90s.

[The Batman]

You were all probably the same sorry saps that were clapping like sheeple when clinton pushed through tens of millions of dollars for 'midnight basketball' to get black youths off the streets back in the 90s.


Midnight basketball did work. There are statistics some where that I read and it showed a correlation between crime staying down, which was the intent. The only thing is why should something like that so expensive? its just a basketball court staying open a little late.

[The Dude]

She has no credentials and lack of credentials means probably a lack of insight as well. There is no good reason why this lady should be VP. Not a single one. Being new the "game" is not a good reason.

rewind...

as a mayor and governor, she has far more experience than obama.

unless of course you count his time spent as a "community organizer" and a lawyer as "experience"

[Claydon]

rewind...

as a mayor and governor, she has far more experience than obama.

unless of course you count his time spent as a "community organizer" and a lawyer as "experience"

He was also an absent Jr. Senator. But he did vote for continued funding of Iraqi forces while calling the surge a failure. So, I guess he does have a lot of washington experience.

[Claydon]

Midnight basketball did work. There are statistics some where that I read and it showed a correlation between crime staying down, which was the intent. The only thing is why should something like that so expensive? its just a basketball court staying open a little late.


Yah...crime in the inner cities is just plummeting!

[The Dude]

He was also an absent Jr. Senator. But he did vote for continued funding of Iraqi forces while calling the surge a failure. So, I guess he does have a lot of washington experience.

the seat that he got when his republican opponent withdrew before the election due to a messy divorce/scandal

[The Batman]

rewind...

as a mayor and governor, she has far more experience than obama.

unless of course you count his time spent as a "community organizer" and a lawyer as "experience"

don't forget he was at least a senate legislator from 97'-04. I am not saying Obama is much better, but this lady needs to stop being put on some pedistal for what amounts to nothing besides her moral beliefs. At least with Obama he has practical ideas that could help us get away from the last 8 years of Bush rule.

[Claydon]

the seat that he got when his republican opponent withdrew before the election due to a messy divorce/scandal

Damn you sir..

damn you and your facts...

he is a prophet!

[Claydon]

don't forget he was at least a senate legislator from 97'-04. I am not saying Obama is much better, but this lady needs to stop being put on some pedistal for what amounts to nothing besides her moral beliefs. At least with Obama he has practical ideas that could help us get away from the last 8 years of Bush rule.

Practical? Yes, because wealth redistribution, and proposing trillions in spending without means to pay for it is very practical.

[Smokestack]

rewind...

as a mayor and governor, she has far more experience than obama.

unless of course you count his time spent as a "community organizer" and a lawyer as "experience"

Why wouldn't that count as experience? The skills of a community organizer and topics covered certainly aren't foreign to politics. A majority of our past presidents were lawyers before being politicians.

It also should be time to stop trying to quantify experience and there's also a very strong qualitative element to it as well, and this qualitative element is not "governor > senator" or some dumb shit like that. It has to do with the quality of the jobs they've done in their respective offices or vocations and that measure is not going to be the same for all people.

Believe it or not, there is no experience-meter. Its value is either being overstated or misapplied in this campaign.

[kareyn01]

But she has taken on significant reforms of the republican party in Alaska. As for your comment of the population stat about alaska, I would like to point out Hawaii. The H3 highway in Ohau was built on a 50 mile wide island, cost the Federal government something on the order of 2 billion dollars, this was done with full force of the Hawaii'n Senators, Senator Inoye and Senator Akaka and the Clinton Administration. For a island that has no industry minus tourism and a population of 650,000. While we are on the whole population discussion, California has the highest population in the Union, and we put in more tax dollars into the federal coffers than any other state in the Union. Yet, we only see about 70 cents of every dollar we put into the coffers. Smaller population states throughout US, including alaska are always going to get large sums of money in proportion to their population. Now, if she had tried to get 5 million dollars for an oil and gas museum then I would preach a bitch, she did stop the bridge to nowhere after the costs skyrocketed. What is wrong with hiring a lobbyist? That is a basic right as defined in the constitution. If I am the mayor of say Ventura Ca, and I want to redo the sewage treatment plant to the tune of 30 million dollars why not spend $150,000 on a group that will lobby in my favor. The spin you people are throwing out is just incredible. You were all probably the same sorry saps that were clapping like sheeple when clinton pushed through tens of millions of dollars for 'midnight basketball' to get black youths off the streets back in the 90s.

Alright Claydon, I'll let the facts speak for themselves, without any commentary, and we'll see if you can reconcile them.

John McCain: "The 527s need to be eliminated...527s are a disgrace and they have to be eliminated because they're clearly in violation of the law."

Sarah Palin, per Washington Post:
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin began building clout in her state's political circles in part by serving as a director of an independent political organization organized by the now embattled Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens.
Palin's name is listed on 2003 incorporation papers of the "Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc.," a 527 group that could raise unlimited funds from corporate donors. The group was designed to serve as a political boot camp for Republican women in the state. She served as one of three directors until June 2005, when her name was replaced on state filings.
Palin's relationship with Alaska's senior senator may be one of the more complicated aspects of her new position as Sen. John McCain's running mate; Stevens was indicted in July 2008 on seven counts of corruption.

[Smokestack]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Vo6z5fxMMqs/SL2XgG2i0qI/AAAAAAAAAWY/fqsD0xvMHoU/s400/us.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Vo6z5fxMMqs/SL2XgG2i0qI/AAAAAAAAAWY/fqsD0xvMHoU/s1600-h/us.jpg)

[VoxAngelikus]

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Jennifer Aniston is back on TV??!

[dadaelus]

She's being 'Swift Uterused' by the liberal media.

[kid_vidrio]

One thing we can never know, but I can't imagine what Rush and Hannity and Levin et al would have to say if the pregnant shoe were on the other foot.

[freegood]

You can imagine it whenever they rail on poor urban city teen mothers and the "negligent" influence their parents have on them.

[TheImpossibleMan]

rewind...

as a mayor and governor, she has far more experience than obama.

unless of course you count his time spent as a "community organizer" and a lawyer as "experience"
For six years, she was mayor of a town with fewer people in it than were at the convention where McCain introduced her for the first time. For two years she was governor of Alaska. For seven years Obama was a state senator and for four years a seanator.

[Hanover Fist]

For six years, she was mayor of a town with fewer people in it than were at the convention where McCain introduced her for the first time. For two years she was governor of Alaska. For seven years Obama was a state senator and for four years a seanator.

Well to be honest he was a backbencher in the Illinois Senate, so it's not like he had tons of responsibility or accountability.
As far as the Senate goes, he decided he was experienced enough after only serving 16 months as a junior Senator and has pretty much been absent since then.

Not that Palin has a great deal of experience either, but hell Howard Dean was considered acceptable and he was a one term Governor of a state smaller than Alaska. Tim Kaine was also considered acceptable and he would have had the exact same amount of time as Governor of Virgina that Palin had in Alaska.
This argument is pretty meaningless anyway. When the Debates start then we can discuss meaningful topics about policy and positions.

Oh and it turns out that the NYT reporter made up the whole story about Palin being a member of the Alaskan Independence Party. She's been a registered Republican since 1982.
A day after ABC News requested a response from Palin as to whether she was ever a member of the AIP, McCain campain spox Brian Rogers told ABC News that Clark’s “allegations are false.”
“Governor Palin has been a registered Republican since 1982,” Rogers says, providing some voter registration documentation showing her to be a Republican. “As you know, if she changed her registration, there would have been some record of it. There isn’t.”
Rogers says the McCain campaign provided ABC News with all the voter registration information that exists. Rogers says that Palin didn’t attend the AIP convention in 1994, “but she visited them when they had their convention in Wasilla in 2000 as a courtesy since she was mayor.”
He would not comment as to why AIP officials are so convinced Palin was a member of their party. When asked if Palin ever identified herself as a member of the AIP, Rogers said, “No, she’s a lifelong Republican.”
http://www.johnmccain.com/images/mccainreport/Document.pdf

[Mustard]

EBcdsV_Uz2E

Ug... this doesn't bode very well at all for Palin.

[Desperado]

Oh and it turns out that the NYT reporter made up the whole story about Palin being a member of the Alaskan Independence Party. She's been a registered Republican since 1982.


Her Husband, not so much....

Palin's husband was member of third party

By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 1 minute ago

ST. PAUL, Minn. - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's husband, Todd, twice registered as a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a fierce states' rights group that wants to turn all federal lands in Alaska back to the state. Sarah Palin herself was never a member of the party, according to state officials.




http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_politics

[Claydon]

Her Husband, not so much....



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_politics

Seems like all that can be said is mostly about her family and not so much her.

Weak sauce guys, keep at it though. Perhaps she was friends with a known domestic terrorist, or perhaps attended the church of a profane racist/hate preacher.

[Desperado]

Seems like all that can be said is mostly about her family and not so much her.

Weak sauce guys, keep at it though. Perhaps she was friends with a known domestic terrorist, or perhaps attended the church of a profane racist/hate preacher.


Claydon I know sometimes your memory is short... but I seem to remember republicans making a big deal about Obamas wifes comments. If you need links to all that was said, I can provide them.

What the hell here is the first one I found, everyone remember this ad?

Hobbes said the video doesn’t criticize Michelle Obama at all, but merely raises an issue that had already been scrutinized by the public.
“We contrasted something she said in a public campaign speech at a public event that was covered by the news media,” Hobbs said. “It’s not like we’re the first people to raise this issue. We just made a light-hearted video. … Senator Obama has a pattern of requesting certain things that are uncomfortable to him as off-limits … She is on the campaign trail, so I don’t think she is off-limits. He sends her out to do campaign speeches and fund-raisers, and then says we can’t criticize the things she says. I think that’s ridiculous.”

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/19/obama-to-tennessee-gop-my-wife-is-off-limits/

[Hanover Fist]

Her Husband, not so much....



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_politics

So?

Is he somehow 3rd in line for the Presidency or something?

I think if you want to go that route you should take a look at Obamas support of the atrocious Akaka bill.

[Claydon]

Claydon I know sometimes your memory is short... but I seem to remember republicans making a big deal about Obamas wifes comments. If you need links to all that was said, I can provide them.

What the hell here is the first one I found, everyone remember this ad?



http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/19/obama-to-tennessee-gop-my-wife-is-off-limits/

She put herself out there, he has not, nor has the daughter. If the husband got up and made a big speech, fine, then bitch slap him. What is being dug up is shit from a 3rd party that he was/is a member of at some point and time. Hey guess what, he was also popped for a DUI in the 80s we should talk about that as well.

[Desperado]

She put herself out there, he has not, nor has the daughter. If the husband got up and made a big speech, fine, then bitch slap him. What is being dug up is shit from a 3rd party that he was/is a member of at some point and time. Hey guess what, he was also popped for a DUI in the 80s we should talk about that as well.

I guess we can talk about that... So you think his drinking binges effected his sperm creating a "Special Child"? Any research linking the two?

[freegood]

I think I'll step back talking about Palin's family. This has become a big distraction over the issues.

[Claydon]

I guess we can talk about that... So you think his drinking binges effected his sperm creating a "Special Child"? Any research linking the two?

Look, if he puts himself on a stage and goes on about the great jewish conspiracy, fine, crucify him. If her daughter gets up and talks about abstinence is the best way, fine get on the daughters case about it. So far the left has said nothing really of substance about this woman, nothing.

Michelle Obama gets up and makes great statements like how she is such a victim of the system....she has put herself out there and let the chips fall where they may. Now if Palin is caught on tape at a meeting of the White Knights of the Klu Klux Klan, NOW you have something to tear her apart. Kind of like Obama going to a church where the pastor says that aids was developed by the US government or some such shit.

[Aegis]

What a nightmare for the Republican Party. I'll buy the video if she gets into porn (Ok I’m lying, I’ll download it here.) but as far as voting for McCain now, he's lost my vote.

Sad really, I'll probably have to throw my vote away on the Independent who ever the fuck that is.

[Claydon]

What a nightmare for the Republican Party. I'll buy the video if she gets into porn (Ok I’m lying, I’ll download it here.) but as far as voting for McCain now, he's lost my vote.

Sad really, I'll probably have to throw my vote away on the Independent who ever the fuck that is.

My vote him is a waste as well, I am in california.

[sidewinder]

Bob Barr is the Libertarian candidate...he looks good. He has no chance, but he looks good.

As for experience...Obama 143 days in the Senate? Paulin... 2 years as govenor...Biden...plagerist....Mccain likes to crap on his own party....face it we're hosed either way.

[Ghostrider]

I think McCain gets to distract from the euphoria of Obama's speech last night with this pick and that's it. This theory that they'll pull off Hillary's supporters I think is utter bunk; Hillary's supporters were mostly older women who identified with her even more acutely because she wasn't this glammed up MILF. She probably pulled in even more women from that demographic when she got picked on for looking lousy in close-ups and pant suits. Palin is from a later generation, and her supporters will look at her as someone who benefited from their struggles, without ever having to make the same fights they did. And no way is an under-35 Clinton supporter going to go for someone who's pro-life and anti-gay marriage.

And picking someone from Alaska makes me nervous as hell, it's like picking someone from Jersey; I hope McCain's crew did a thorough job vetting her connections, because it won't be the tangible scandals that'll kill her, it's taint and suspicion of something larger. If the democrats can find something like that, and make it haunt the ticket, they'll have a better chance of winning.

It was a calculating pick, McCain can't really attack Obama's childhood and family without serious repercussions. SO by putting someone out there with some skeleton's of her own the media can't help themselves which results in Obama's life being made fair game. This works well for bringing up experience as well.

"Obama Sr. grew up in Nyang’oma Kogelo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyang%E2%80%99oma_Kogelo). At 18, he married a young woman named Kezia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kezia_Obama) in a tribal ceremony. They had four children, two of them after he returned to Kenya from the United States. He never divorced Kezia"

Palin's gender and age give McCain youth and vigor to his ticket which is sorely needed. She has far more conservative values than McCain which brings back some of the republican base. and the left did not see it coming, so the news is completely dominated with her, making Barack's poll bump much smaller than expected. We will see how it plays out in the end, but at this stage I give it to McCain for the edge on this one.

[vasili denisov]

So?

Is he somehow 3rd in line for the Presidency or something?

I think if you want to go that route you should take a look at Obamas support of the atrocious Akaka bill.
I'd like to know how you consider the two equivalent. The Akaka bill would grant Hawaiian tribes the same status already enjoyed by native americans in the mainland US. It's a bill supported by the state's republican governor, as well as republicans Norm Coleman and Gordon Smith. That, as far as I can tell, is very different from a party which wants to secede from the US whose founder (http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/aip_founder_professed_hatred_f.php) has compared his hatred of the american government to the fires of hell.

Weak sauce guys, keep at it though. Perhaps she was friends with a known domestic terrorist, or perhaps attended the church of a profane racist/hate preacher.
She is. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13098.html) Her pastor, who supports Jews for Jesus, has described terrorist attacks against jews as god's punishment for their belief.

Palin's gender and age give McCain youth and vigor to his ticket which is sorely needed. She has far more conservative values than McCain which brings back some of the republican base. and the left did not see it coming, so the news is completely dominated with her, making Barack's poll bump much smaller than expected. We will see how it plays out in the end, but at this stage I give it to McCain for the edge on this one.
I'll humbly disagree. I think if McCain had picked Romney, he might have won this with the base. If he'd picked any of the quality pro-choice women out there, he might have won over a lot of former Hillary supporters. This? This is an utter fucking nightmare, this is worst case scenario, this is getting shot in the head and having turpentine thrown at you.

The most humane thing for her and her family would be to allow her to decline the nomination on grounds of the effects of the intense media scrutiny. This is a worse pick than Quayle, who was inarticulate but had experience on Senate committees and was knowledgeable on defense, Eagleton, whose electroshock experience would today be a prozac prescription that'd make him indistinguishable from most americans, even Admiral William Stockdale, who at least had a high military rank. Otherwise, this will be a very, very ugly election. That they've brought in Tucker Eskew (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/mccain-hires-go.html), who the McCain camp for good reason despises, makes me think McCain will be stubborn about this, dig in his heels, let his temper go, and make a very nasty fight out of this.

[freegood]

It was a calculating pick, McCain can't really attack Obama's childhood and family without serious repercussions. SO by putting someone out there with some skeleton's of her own the media can't help themselves which results in Obama's life being made fair game. This works well for bringing up experience as well.

"Obama Sr. grew up in Nyang’oma Kogelo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyang%E2%80%99oma_Kogelo). At 18, he married a young woman named Kezia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kezia_Obama) in a tribal ceremony. They had four children, two of them after he returned to Kenya from the United States. He never divorced Kezia"

Palin's gender and age give McCain youth and vigor to his ticket which is sorely needed. She has far more conservative values than McCain which brings back some of the republican base. and the left did not see it coming, so the news is completely dominated with her, making Barack's poll bump much smaller than expected. We will see how it plays out in the end, but at this stage I give it to McCain for the edge on this one.

Palin's conservative values could potentially blow up on her face if more news comes out. As for Obama, if there are more shocking nuggets of truth floating around, I'm sure the Republicans will work non-stop to bring it out. If not, they haven't had moral qualms of playing maikshidup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_Vets_and_POWs_for_Truth).

To read that McCain knew all of this beforehand but didn't bother to leak some of it out to contain the fire reeks of incompetence by his handlers. They're letting rumors swirl out of control with the media guessing about Palin's history. Each time they dig something up with the McCain camp reacting adds a little more to the snowball.

She better be helluva more charismatic than McCain. Something to make the crowd love her a lot.

If not, it's going to be seen as a bad and hasty decision by the more experienced senator.

[BIG PIZZLE]

There's no way he knew about this beforehand because the babydaddy's myspace page was still up. But then again JOHN MCCAIN DOESNT KNOW HOW TO USE A FUCKING COMPUTER so he could have missed it.

[freegood]

McCain announces his veep
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[kid_vidrio]

So, Sarah has been getting some coaching, which is exactly what anyone would do - no criticism there whatsoever.
The real question I have is that if they had to bring her up to speed on 'nuances' how long can that be sustained in the public eye?
Perhaps she is good enough, and I'll look forward to finding out, that she will just 'get it' and be able to sit up front on the McCain Train without misfiring.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26520727
ST. PAUL, Minn. - Since Sunday night, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Sarah+Palin?tid=informline) has been holed up in her suite in the Hilton Minneapolis while a parade of Sen. John McCain (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/)'s top advisers have briefed her on the nuances of his policy positions, national politics and, above all, how to introduce herself to the national audience she will address Wednesday night at the Republican convention (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Republican+National+Convention?tid=informline).

[Mr. Brown]

Yo all she need is one mic, one beat, one stage
One republican front, her face on the front page
Only if she had one(million) guns, three girls and one crib
One God to show her how to do things his son did

[Mr. Brown]

“The McCain campaign will launch a television ad directly comparing Governor Palin’s executive experience as a governor who oversees 24,000 state employees, 14 statewide cabinet agencies and a 10 billion dollar budget to Barack Obama’s experience as a one-term junior Senator from Illinois

[redsox39]

So everyone is up in arms that Sarah Palin's 17 year old daughter is pregnant. Big deal. But I am sure some think tank people would have liked to cover this up until after the election. But how…
OH I got an Idea!
Tell the Media that John Edwards might be the father…they will ignore that story for months…
Must be that right wing media machine in action…lol.
We all know that the Media is Obama's campaign machine.
So let's get this straight. A former presidential candidate from THIS YEAR, A man with the top spot on the democratic side to get the VP nod, has an affair on his cancer ridden wife, with a coke head who inspired the character Alison Poole, knocks her up and uses campaign funds and a staffer to cover it up and the Media says "NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS MOVE ALONG"…
But an formally unknown Alaskan governor has a 17 year old pregnant daughter who has the audacity to keep her baby and this is the story of the year? Couldn't the reporters dig up something in her political past? Besides the attempted firing of a State patroller who threatened to "murder" her father in law?
Must not be a lot of dirt there, and maybe even some good stories they are trying to avoid covering so they don't accidently make her look good.
And for all of you buying the "Desperate Housewives" storyline about how her baby daughter is really her teenage daughters FIRST baby…get real. And quit watching so much TV. Do something productive…like write an email about a Vice President or something.
Jrod

[Mr. Brown]

Yes lets all get off the daughter and start blasting the soon to be son in law.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/09/02/amd_levi-johnston.jpg

He's 18 dropped out of HS and said of himself "I'm a f--kin' redneck who likes to snowboard and ride dirt bikes. But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some s--t and just f--kin' chillin' I guess. Ya f--k with me I'll kick ass.''

[Candycane]

I really don't care what some VP candidate and her family do since we won't be talking about her much in about 2 more months.

[Mr. Brown]

There's not much else to talk about concerning her until she actually says something tonight.

But I'm appalled that she's opposed the listing for polar bears as an endangered species (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/opinion/05palin.html?_r=1&oref=slogin).

[redsox39]

You can imagine it whenever they rail on poor urban city teen mothers and the "negligent" influence their parents have on them.

you are right, the inner city problems have nothing to do with the parents. It is all a vast right wing conspiracy to keep the black man voting Democrat.

[redsox39]

Yes lets all get off the daughter and start blasting the soon to be son in law.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/09/02/amd_levi-johnston.jpg

He's 18 dropped out of HS and said of himself "I'm a f--kin' redneck who likes to snowboard and ride dirt bikes. But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some s--t and just f--kin' chillin' I guess. Ya f--k with me I'll kick ass.''

I am shocked that an 18 year old Alaskan man like to play Hockey and Hunt. Next thing you know, he'll say he likes to fuck chicks too! What a FREAK!

[Kilgore]

3 things I noticed from last night.

lieberman is almost as boring to hear as Laura Bush.

lieberman is so Benedict Arnold.

CNN's coverage was so incredibly biased. Everytime someone got done speaking Wolf turn to this black woman to tear it all down.



and McCain's Men need to do more research that spot with Campbell Brown Cracked me up when talking about Sarah's Experience

[kareyn01]

So everyone is up in arms that Sarah Palin's 17 year old daughter is pregnant. Big deal. But I am sure some think tank people would have liked to cover this up until after the election. But how…
OH I got an Idea!
Tell the Media that John Edwards might be the father…they will ignore that story for months…
Must be that right wing media machine in action…lol.
We all know that the Media is Obama's campaign machine.
So let's get this straight. A former presidential candidate from THIS YEAR, A man with the top spot on the democratic side to get the VP nod, has an affair on his cancer ridden wife, with a coke head who inspired the character Alison Poole, knocks her up and uses campaign funds and a staffer to cover it up and the Media says "NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS MOVE ALONG"…
But an formally unknown Alaskan governor has a 17 year old pregnant daughter who has the audacity to keep her baby and this is the story of the year? Couldn't the reporters dig up something in her political past? Besides the attempted firing of a State patroller who threatened to "murder" her father in law?
Must not be a lot of dirt there, and maybe even some good stories they are trying to avoid covering so they don't accidently make her look good.
And for all of you buying the "Desperate Housewives" storyline about how her baby daughter is really her teenage daughters FIRST baby…get real. And quit watching so much TV. Do something productive…like write an email about a Vice President or something.
Jrod

Here's a list of some of the political issues with her selection that have been posted:

1) Head of a 527 group (which McCain states is illegal) to raise money for Sen. Ted Stevens, who is charged with 7 counts of corruption

2) Rails against pork-barrel spending (McCain and Palin both), but employed a lobbying firm to secure $27 million in federal funds for Wasilla; Alaska is also number one in federal earmarks

3) Originally supported the Bridge to Nowhere, then lied about that support in her nomination speech in Dayton

4) Wants creationism to be taught alongside evolution in science classrooms

5) Is opposed to "government spending and waste", but signed off on the biggest government budget in Alaska's history last year

6) Said earlier this year that she doesn't know what the Vice President's job is; also said she hasn't followed the Iraq War because she's been "too busy"

That's not even including her alleged membership in the Alaskan Independence Party, which has been refuted by the McCain campaign (although the AIP says she was a member, and is still "very sympathetic"), and which her husband was a registered member until 2002.

[marquis]

You should watch the C-SPAN coverage. There is no commentary, just the speeches. You make of it what you want.

[kareyn01]

3 things I noticed from last night.

lieberman is almost as boring to hear as Laura Bush.

lieberman is so Benedict Arnold.

CNN's coverage was so incredibly biased. Everytime someone got done speaking Wolf turn to this black woman to tear it all down.



and McCain's Men need to do more research that spot with Campbell Brown Cracked me up when talking about Sarah's Experience

Wolf Blitzer asking Donna Brazile what she thinks of the Republican Convention is no different than Chris Matthews asking Pat Buchanan what he thought of the Democratic Convention. At least Brazile isn't a misogynistic, racist lunatic like Buchanan.

[Mr. Brown]

CNN's coverage was so incredibly biased. Everytime someone got done speaking Wolf turn to this black woman to tear it all down.

Which black chick?
EDIT: Nevermind

[redsox39]

There's not much else to talk about concerning her until she actually says something tonight.

But I'm appalled that she's opposed the listing for polar bears as an endangered species (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/opinion/05palin.html?_r=1&oref=slogin).

Fuck Polar bears...put them in Zoos where they belong.

[Emjanss]

You should watch the C-SPAN coverage. There is no commentary, just the speeches. You make of it what you want.

as opposed to the NBC coverage where there were no speaches, just commentary.

Literally I turned the TV on and while Thompson was speaking in the background at a volume that couldn't be heard 2 talking heads were carrying on a conversation. That lasted the entire 45 seconds it took for me to get over my disbelief and find a station where I could hear the speaches.

So far, "rah rah" and "hip hip hooray". People who like Palin, like Palin.

On a side note: I would have been more impressed with Lieberman if he asked not only democrats and independents but also republicans to vote for who they thought was the best person.

[redsox39]

3 things I noticed from last night.

lieberman is almost as boring to hear as Laura Bush.

lieberman is so Benedict Arnold.

CNN's coverage was so incredibly biased. Everytime someone got done speaking Wolf turn to this black woman to tear it all down.



and McCain's Men need to do more research that spot with Campbell Brown Cracked me up when talking about Sarah's Experience

Leiberman is no BA. He is really a democrat, just like alot of us, but can;t fucking stand the party or the people we put in charge. I mean, what happened to political freedom and free speech? The Democrats seem closer to Red China than to the America we all want.

And since we brought it up, Quit basing ever decision he makes on the fact that he is a Jew. If he was still in your party, you be calling us "biggotted" assholes for remind you he was a Jew every 30 seconds. He is an independant because your party has been taken over by radical Socialists.

[Mr. Brown]

Fuck Polar bears...put them in Zoos where they belong.

RACIST!

[kareyn01]

as opposed to the NBC coverage where there were no speaches, just commentary.

Literally I turned the TV on and while Thompson was speaking in the background at a volume that couldn't be heard 2 talking heads were carrying on a conversation. That lasted the entire 45 seconds it took for me to get over my disbelief and find a station where I could hear the speaches.

So far, "rah rah" and "hip hip hooray". People who like Palin, like Palin.

On a side note: I would have been more impressed with Lieberman if he asked not only democrats and independents but also republicans to vote for who they thought was the best person.

Yeah, that really pisses me off. Its one thing to talk over the California State Comptroller, but some of the people they talk over (by repeating the same idiotic things they've been saying for the last week, I might add) are ridiculous. At the DNC, they talked over John Kerry's entire speech, then made a huge deal out of it after the fact, saying it was one of the best speeches of the convention. Hey, I thought that's what you were supposed to be showing coverage of!

[Kilgore]

Leiberman is no BA. He is really a democrat, just like alot of us, but can;t fucking stand the party or the people we put in charge. I mean, what happened to political freedom and free speech? The Democrats seem closer to Red China than to the America we all want.

And since we brought it up, Quit basing ever decision he makes on the fact that he is a Jew. If he was still in your party, you be calling us "biggotted" assholes for remind you he was a Jew every 30 seconds. He is an independant because your party has been taken over by radical Socialists.
I never make him being a Jew anything. I don't know, is that what the people hear are saying? I haven't read all the threads.

If you really listened to his speach he said absolultly nothing. It was all jibber except for a few points about particular bills that McCain sponsored or help pass.

I don't like Thomson at all, but his speach was 3x better.

[kareyn01]

Leiberman is no BA. He is really a democrat, just like alot of us, but can;t fucking stand the party or the people we put in charge. I mean, what happened to political freedom and free speech? The Democrats seem closer to Red China than to the America we all want.

And since we brought it up, Quit basing ever decision he makes on the fact that he is a Jew. If he was still in your party, you be calling us "biggotted" assholes for remind you he was a Jew every 30 seconds. He is an independant because your party has been taken over by radical Socialists.

First of all, nobody liked Lieberman when he was a Democrat, which is why everybody railed at his selection. He's always been a pompous, self-promotion-at-all-costs blowhard.

Second, if you honestly think that the Democrats can be compared in any way to "Red China", you lose any credibility that you might have had for any of your other points, especially calling other people on here partisan.

The only thing I'll agree with you on is the issue of Lieberman's religion. Who gives a shit?

[bk3030]

as opposed to the NBC coverage where there were no speaches, just commentary.

Literally I turned the TV on and while Thompson was speaking in the background at a volume that couldn't be heard 2 talking heads were carrying on a conversation. That lasted the entire 45 seconds it took for me to get over my disbelief and find a station where I could hear the speaches.

So far, "rah rah" and "hip hip hooray". People who like Palin, like Palin.

On a side note: I would have been more impressed with Lieberman if he asked not only democrats and independents but also republicans to vote for who they thought was the best person.

NBC did the same thing with Bush's speech last night. Then they rewound it and played it without the split feed applause, so that after every crowd-baiting line, Bush paused for about 10 seconds, and all you could hear was crickets. It was hilarious.

[Mr. Brown]

ah just read the transcripts the next day

[freegood]

you are right, the inner city problems have nothing to do with the parents. It is all a vast right wing conspiracy to keep the black man voting Democrat.

It's more about right wing pundits having the righteous indignation to claim that Palin's daughter's actions are a "private family matter" not to be reported when Republicans are all about government intervention into private family issues. And one of their justifications for it happens to be poor urban city teen mothers.

Palin Slashed Funding for Teen Moms
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/02/palin_slashed_funding_to_help.html?hpid=artslot
http://i37.tinypic.com/23uvrk1.jpg

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin wrote in her line-item veto changes by hand in this copy of a 2008 spending bill obtained by The Washington Post.

By Paul Kane
ST. PAUL -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee who revealed Monday that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, earlier this year used her line-item veto to slash funding for a state program benefiting teen mothers in need of a place to live.

After the legislature passed a spending bill in April, Palin went through the measure reducing and eliminating funds for programs she opposed. Inking her initials on the legislation -- "SP" -- Palin reduced funding for Covenant House Alaska by more than 20 percent, cutting funds from $5 million to $3.9 million. Covenant House is a mix of programs and shelters for troubled youths, including Passage House, (http://covenanthouseak.org/passagehouse.htm) which is a transitional home for teenage mothers.

According to Passage House's web site, its purpose is to provide "young mothers a place to live with their babies for up to eighteen months while they gain the necessary skills and resources to change their lives" and help teen moms "become productive, successful, independent adults who create and provide a stable environment for themselves and their families."

Palin's own daughter, Bristol, is five months pregnant and has plans to wed.

"Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family," Palin said in a statement released by the McCain campaign. "We ask the media to respect our daughter and Levi's privacy, as has always been the tradition of children of candidates."

Earlier today the Associated Press reported that Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, opposed funding to prevent teen pregnancies, a position that Palin also took as governor. "The explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support," she wrote in a 2006 questionnaire distributed among gubernatorial candidates.

Reporters asked McCain in November 2007 whether he supported grants for sex education in the United States, whether such programs should include directions for using contraceptives and whether he supports President Bush's policy of promoting abstinence.

"Ahhh, I think I support the president's policy," McCain said.

[The Batman]

So everyone is up in arms that Sarah Palin's 17 year old daughter is pregnant. Big deal. But I am sure some think tank people would have liked to cover this up until after the election. But how…
OH I got an Idea!
Tell the Media that John Edwards might be the father…they will ignore that story for months…
Must be that right wing media machine in action…lol.
We all know that the Media is Obama's campaign machine.
So let's get this straight. A former presidential candidate from THIS YEAR, A man with the top spot on the democratic side to get the VP nod, has an affair on his cancer ridden wife, with a coke head who inspired the character Alison Poole, knocks her up and uses campaign funds and a staffer to cover it up and the Media says "NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS MOVE ALONG"…
But an formally unknown Alaskan governor has a 17 year old pregnant daughter who has the audacity to keep her baby and this is the story of the year? Couldn't the reporters dig up something in her political past? Besides the attempted firing of a State patroller who threatened to "murder" her father in law?
Must not be a lot of dirt there, and maybe even some good stories they are trying to avoid covering so they don't accidently make her look good.
And for all of you buying the "Desperate Housewives" storyline about how her baby daughter is really her teenage daughters FIRST baby…get real. And quit watching so much TV. Do something productive…like write an email about a Vice President or something.
Jrod

The only reason why that is important is because of her personal stance on social issues like abortion, otherwise, who gives a crap? Besides, she lives in Alaska, what else can you do there besides go for hikes and fuck?

[redsox39]

First of all, nobody liked Lieberman when he was a Democrat, which is why everybody railed at his selection. He's always been a pompous, self-promotion-at-all-costs blowhard.

Second, if you honestly think that the Democrats can be compared in any way to "Red China", you lose any credibility that you might have had for any of your other points, especially calling other people on here partisan.

The only thing I'll agree with you on is the issue of Lieberman's religion. Who gives a shit?

Really Can't compare Democrats with China? Please, if you guys could control even more of the media you would. You would love if the Government controlled what the media said (as long as your party was in charge). You claim to be the party of censorship free while censoring anything that doesn't toe the party line. And I am pretty sure the Democrats sent 14 year old's to compete in the olympics too!

[Pharon]

The only reason why that is important is because of her personal stance on social issues like abortion
Hey, at least she's being consistent. If she helped her daughter abort the fetus, that would be far more important, as it would show her to be hypocritical.

As it is, I see this nothing more than a family matter. And it should be left alone.

[redsox39]

It's more about right wing pundits having the righteous indignation to claim that Palin's daughter's actions are a "private family matter" not to be reported when Republicans are all about government intervention into private family issues. And one of their justifications for it happens to be poor urban city teen mothers.

Palin Slashed Funding for Teen Moms
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/02/palin_slashed_funding_to_help.html?hpid=artslot
http://i37.tinypic.com/23uvrk1.jpg

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin wrote in her line-item veto changes by hand in this copy of a 2008 spending bill obtained by The Washington Post.

By Paul Kane
ST. PAUL -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee who revealed Monday that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, earlier this year used her line-item veto to slash funding for a state program benefiting teen mothers in need of a place to live.

After the legislature passed a spending bill in April, Palin went through the measure reducing and eliminating funds for programs she opposed. Inking her initials on the legislation -- "SP" -- Palin reduced funding for Covenant House Alaska by more than 20 percent, cutting funds from $5 million to $3.9 million. Covenant House is a mix of programs and shelters for troubled youths, including Passage House, (http://covenanthouseak.org/passagehouse.htm) which is a transitional home for teenage mothers.

According to Passage House's web site, its purpose is to provide "young mothers a place to live with their babies for up to eighteen months while they gain the necessary skills and resources to change their lives" and help teen moms "become productive, successful, independent adults who create and provide a stable environment for themselves and their families."

Palin's own daughter, Bristol, is five months pregnant and has plans to wed.

"Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family," Palin said in a statement released by the McCain campaign. "We ask the media to respect our daughter and Levi's privacy, as has always been the tradition of children of candidates."

Earlier today the Associated Press reported that Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, opposed funding to prevent teen pregnancies, a position that Palin also took as governor. "The explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support," she wrote in a 2006 questionnaire distributed among gubernatorial candidates.

Reporters asked McCain in November 2007 whether he supported grants for sex education in the United States, whether such programs should include directions for using contraceptives and whether he supports President Bush's policy of promoting abstinence.

"Ahhh, I think I support the president's policy," McCain said.

Can you believe it? Palin is expecting her daughter and baby daddy to depend on themselves and their family and not the government...what a bitch!

[redsox39]

The only reason why that is important is because of her personal stance on social issues like abortion, otherwise, who gives a crap? Besides, she lives in Alaska, what else can you do there besides go for hikes and fuck?

Exactly, I mean, I get why it is in the news, I just find it ironic that it took weeks of "John Edwards affair" being in the Top 5 searches on Google before the news took off with it, and this woman came out of nowhere and they had this in 30 seconds.

I am not saying there is a medai bias...but damn, it is hard to argue.

[freegood]

Can you believe it? Palin is expecting her daughter and baby daddy to depend on themselves and their family and not the government...what a bitch!

Because preteen pregnancies are okay as long as you're rich.

and Republican

[kareyn01]

Really Can't compare Democrats with China? Please, if you guys could control even more of the media you would. You would love if the Government controlled what the media said (as long as your party was in charge). You claim to be the party of censorship free while censoring anything that doesn't toe the party line. And I am pretty sure the Democrats sent 14 year old's to compete in the olympics too!

Exactly, I mean, I get why it is in the news, I just find it ironic that it took weeks of "John Edwards affair" being in the Top 5 searches on Google before the news took off with it, and this woman came out of nowhere and they had this in 30 seconds.

I am not saying there is a medai bias...but damn, it is hard to argue.

So, you're not saying there's a liberal bias, but you're saying "if you guys could control even more of the media you would"?

[Desperado]

Really Can't compare Democrats with China? Please, if you guys could control even more of the media you would. You would love if the Government controlled what the media said (as long as your party was in charge). You claim to be the party of censorship free while censoring anything that doesn't toe the party line. And I am pretty sure the Democrats sent 14 year old's to compete in the olympics too!

Redsox you really are a fucking a fucking idiot... do you really want the full list of civil liberties you have lost under the Bush administration? You really think that Democrats control the media... you and this guy that got palins daughter pregnant really must have something in common. Redneck fucking idiots.

Full list here

http://mondoglobo.ning.com/group/questionauthority/forum/topic/show?id=1509099%3ATopic%3A2937


Bush administration order authorizes NSA monitoring of domestic phone and internet traffic. Link (http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/48/17009)

In immediate aftermath of 9-11 terror attacks, Department of Justice authorizes detention without charge for any terror suspects. Over one thousand suspects are brought into detention over the next several months. Link (pdf) (http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/us_law/OIG_report.pdf)

Attorney General John Ashcroft announces change in Department of Justice (DOJ) policy. According to the new policy DOJ will impose far more stringent criteria for the granting of Freedom of Information Act requests. Link (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/2002/01/17/sinrod.htm)


Executive order limits release of presidential documents. The order gives incumbent presidents the right to veto requests to open any past presidential records and supercedes the congressionally passed law of 1978 mandating release of all presidential records not explicitly deemed classified. Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13233)

FBI and Department of Defense (DOD), forbidden by law from compiling databases on US citizens, begin contracting with private database firm ChoicePoint to collect, store, search and maintain data. Link (http://govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=32802&printerfriendlyVers=1)

John Ashcroft invokes State Secrets privilege to forbid former FBI translator Sibel Edmunds from testifying in a case brought by families of victims of the 9-11 attacks. Litigation by 9-11 families is subsequently halted. Link 1 (http://www.counterpunch.com/edmonds07092004.html) | Link 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibel_Edmonds)

[The Batman]

Hey, at least she's being consistent. If she helped her daughter abort the fetus, that would be far more important, as it would show her to be hypocritical.

As it is, I see this nothing more than a family matter. And it should be left alone.

It is def over saturated. It should be mentioned and then moved on to another important matter, like a complete impractical knowledge of what the VP does.

[redsox39]

Redsox you really are a fucking a fucking idiot... do you really want the full list of civil liberties you have lost under the Bush administration? You really think that Democrats control the media... you and this guy that got palins daughter pregnant really must have something in common. Redneck fucking idiots.

Full list here

http://mondoglobo.ning.com/group/questionauthority/forum/topic/show?id=1509099%3ATopic%3A2937


Bush administration order authorizes NSA monitoring of domestic phone and internet traffic. Link (http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/48/17009)

In immediate aftermath of 9-11 terror attacks, Department of Justice authorizes detention without charge for any terror suspects. Over one thousand suspects are brought into detention over the next several months. Link (pdf) (http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/us_law/OIG_report.pdf)

Attorney General John Ashcroft announces change in Department of Justice (DOJ) policy. According to the new policy DOJ will impose far more stringent criteria for the granting of Freedom of Information Act requests. Link (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/2002/01/17/sinrod.htm)


Executive order limits release of presidential documents. The order gives incumbent presidents the right to veto requests to open any past presidential records and supercedes the congressionally passed law of 1978 mandating release of all presidential records not explicitly deemed classified. Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13233)

FBI and Department of Defense (DOD), forbidden by law from compiling databases on US citizens, begin contracting with private database firm ChoicePoint to collect, store, search and maintain data. Link (http://govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=32802&printerfriendlyVers=1)

John Ashcroft invokes State Secrets privilege to forbid former FBI translator Sibel Edmunds from testifying in a case brought by families of victims of the 9-11 attacks. Litigation by 9-11 families is subsequently halted. Link 1 (http://www.counterpunch.com/edmonds07092004.html) | Link 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibel_Edmonds)

Despair - Can you name one time 'your' Civil Liberties, or even someone you know, where effected here? Did they tap your phone, or ANYONE you know? When will the black van come and get you too?

Let me answer for you. "No, Redsox39, you redneck idiot, but that isn't the point. The fact that they can is the point."

So if they happen to find someone who is regularly talking to a known terrorist, looking up how to make truck bombs on the internet, and/or taking flying lessons, and they look into this with more scrutiny, so what? Are you really hurting that bad? Are you participating in these things? (shhh, don't answer that here, GW is watching, the Gulag is waiting for people like you)

Is your Tin foil hat on straight? are you still getting signals from the Mother ship?

Are you kidding me?

And once again, the "shut up and quit talking because I disagree with you" schtick is getting old.

[redsox39]

So, you're not saying there's a liberal bias, but you're saying "if you guys could control even more of the media you would"?

that would be the sarcasam...there is definetly a liberal bias.

[freegood]

You can tell where a nation is heading by how much it respects its rule of law.

[Morfin]

Dear Mr. Redsox39:

You are an idiot. I suppose you wouldn't oppose warrantless searches because, hey, if you're innocent, what do you have to hide? Or police stops without reasonable cause? The ironically-named PATRIOT Act is an ungodly invasion of civil rights. And, no, I don't know that mine have been violated. But your view of "only the guilty have anything to worry about" reveals your ignorance.

[Desperado]

Despair - Can you name one time 'your' Civil Liberties, or even someone you know, where effected here? Did they tap your phone, or ANYONE you know? When will the black van come and get you too?

Let me answer for you. .


I dont know about anyone else, but I feel safer that you can answer that for me. I mean how the hell would I know if they did look at my info or anyone else I know?

[kareyn01]

Despair - Can you name one time 'your' Civil Liberties, or even someone you know, where effected here? Did they tap your phone, or ANYONE you know? When will the black van come and get you too?

Let me answer for you. "No, Redsox39, you redneck idiot, but that isn't the point. The fact that they can is the point."

So if they happen to find someone who is regularly talking to a known terrorist, looking up how to make truck bombs on the internet, and/or taking flying lessons, and they look into this with more scrutiny, so what? Are you really hurting that bad? Are you participating in these things? (shhh, don't answer that here, GW is watching, the Gulag is waiting for people like you)

Is your Tin foil hat on straight? are you still getting signals from the Mother ship?

Are you kidding me?

And once again, the "shut up and quit talking because I disagree with you" schtick is getting old.

Name one time that you or someone you know has been beaten to death with a tire iron. Does that mean it shouldn't be illegal?

[redsox39]

Dear Mr. Redsox39:

You are an idiot. I suppose you wouldn't oppose warrantless searches because, hey, if you're innocent, what do you have to hide? Or police stops without reasonable cause? The ironically-named PATRIOT Act is an ungodly invasion of civil rights. And, no, I don't know that mine have been violated. But your view of "only the guilty have anything to worry about" reveals your ignorance.

I'll never win a common sense argument with you tin foil types, since you have none. It's always one extreme or another with you. It's either totalitarian Police state, or Anarchy...

If they were truly out to get your civil liberties and eat them for lunch, and throw you in the back of a white van and make you disappear for smoking dope in your bedroom, I guess what they should have done is just do it without telling everyone. I mean, if they were truly so sinister with this, and had no regards for your rights, why tell you about it?

Could it be, you aren't the FUCKING TARGET? Get a life.

[Mr. Brown]

Ok have to put it in play:

http://baldilocks.typepad.com/baldilocks/race_card.gif


Yall don't know nothing about having you civil liberties violated.

[redsox39]

Ok...We got waaay off topic. I would totally bang Palin and her preggo Teenage daughter.

[Morfin]

When will the black van come and get you too?

I'll never win a common sense argument with you tin foil types, since you have none. It's always one extreme or another with you. It's either totalitarian Police state, or Anarchy...

If they were truly out to get your civil liberties and eat them for lunch, and throw you in the back of a white van and make you disappear for smoking dope in your bedroom, I guess what they should have done is just do it without telling everyone.

First you tell me to fear the black van, now it's a white van. Fuck.

I have no common sense? Your av of (apparently) yourself with your hat to the side flashing a sign, trying to be a wigger, tells me more than enough about you and "common sense."

[freegood]

The less you think, the less you have to fear.

COMMON MOTHER FUCKING SENSE NUKKA

[redsox39]

First you tell me to fear the black van, now it's a white van. Fuck.

I have no common sense? Your av of (apparently) yourself with your hat to the side flashing a sign, trying to be a wigger, tells me more than enough about you and "common sense."

Am I supposed to read into your UnderDog Avatar?

I am wearing glasses with one lens knocked out due to a drunken game of quarters. Completly hammered. and I am making a sissors motion, not a gang sign. It was a funny moment if you were there instead of masturbating to the youtube clip of GW stummbling over his words.

But once again, you have nothing to add, so let's talk about my Avatar Picture. I think there is actually a board for that somewhere else, "Rate the Avatar above you". You should check it out, seems right up your alley.

Ps- sometimes they use different colored vans to throw you off...be careful out there!

[Da Raider]

I find it amusing that the MSM basically went out of its way to protect the privacy of John Edwards, but went nuts regarding Palin regarding her daughter's pregnancy and some left wingers even suggesting that her Downs Syndrome baby was really her daughter's child.

[Mr. Brown]

well if we are gonna talk about avy pictures let's talk about baby jesus'. Post some pics of her.

[fuldstændigamok]

There's not much else to talk about concerning her until she actually says something tonight.

But I'm appalled that she's opposed the listing for polar bears as an endangered species (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/opinion/05palin.html?_r=1&oref=slogin).
You forgot the White Whale (or Beluga). This woman makes me laugh so much. She's such a riot. If she didn't exist, you should create her.

[TheImpossibleMan]

Despair - Can you name one time 'your' Civil Liberties, or even someone you know, where effected here? Did they tap your phone, or ANYONE you know? When will the black van come and get you too?

Let me answer for you. "No, Redsox39, you redneck idiot, but that isn't the point. The fact that they can is the point."

So if they happen to find someone who is regularly talking to a known terrorist, looking up how to make truck bombs on the internet, and/or taking flying lessons, and they look into this with more scrutiny, so what? Are you really hurting that bad? Are you participating in these things? (shhh, don't answer that here, GW is watching, the Gulag is waiting for people like you)

Is your Tin foil hat on straight? are you still getting signals from the Mother ship?

Are you kidding me?

And once again, the "shut up and quit talking because I disagree with you" schtick is getting old.
Insults get tossed around a lot when it comes to talking politics online. People call each other "retards" and "assholes" and that kind of shit. I want to push all that hyperbole aside for a second and say that you are a sad and pathetic American who doesn't seem to grasp the basic elements of what "American values" and "American freedom" mean. GWB could be Jesus Christ and I would not want him to have the power to wire-tap any conversation I make; nor would I want Obama to have that power, or anyone else, because it's un-American. The fact that you don't get that is disappointing and actually rather frightening, that someone born in this country could so utterly fail to comprehend the most basic fundamentals of what makes the USA so great.

P.S. The Republican party has been in total control of this country for six of the last eight years, please stop blaming everything on Democratic incompetence.

P.P.S. There's no such thing as a "liberal" or "conservative" media; the media will typically be in line with whichever party is in power, because that's how you make money, with the exception that Fox is a decidedly conservative news station. When Clinton was pres the media was vaguely liberal with the exception that Fox was conservative. With Bush as pres the media's been vaguely conservative.

[Mr. Brown]

Well said but we don't want this to be all lovey dovey


Fuck the man!

[Diesel]

I don't like Palin or McCain but the media has been really retarded about this. They were even interviewing Hick delegates yesterday and they were all praising what a good christian woman she was and her family as well. Who gives a fuck what they do! Why do people have to mix politics with religion?

Who gives a damn if her daughter fucks Alaskan crab fishermen and then she got crabs herself? Aren't we looking for people that can run a country based on what they can bring to the table, or do we look for a 'wholesome' person that sits in the first row in a church with that pedo-smile gleaming into the cameras?

[Da Raider]

The media is infinitely more "liberal" than "conservative". That being said, TIM is right that all MSM does plenty of bidding of whichever party is in control of the White House. They all want access. The biggest problem that I have with the MSM is that in the quest for ratings and money (and who wouldn't want that?), the real stories continue to get lost or buried.

[Mr. Brown]

Why do people have to mix politics with religion?


Well there is a large part of the county that votes based on their beliefs and not what is best for the nation. I many of people who will vote solely on the fact that one candidate or another is Anti abortion.

[Da Raider]

many of people who will vote solely on the fact that one candidate or another is Anti abortion.

hence the term "one issue voters".

[Desperado]

I would take a guess and say a lot of those voters would be...

http://i38.tinypic.com/jfhpaa.jpg

[kareyn01]

I don't think I can really live up to Desperado's post, but I'll give it a shot.

You know how John McCain always makes a "pork list" to single out politicians for ridicule for excessive government spending and use of federal earmarks? Turns out Sarah Palin made his list three times: http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-earmarks3-2008sep03,0,6145252.story

Ahhh, soulmates.

[Diesel]

That's true about the one issue voters. Onion News Network ran a great video about understanding the "bullshit voter". I don't see a need to know Obama's upbringings, McCain's Vietnam heroism, or any of that stuff. It's nice to know but people will always be retarded about the bullshit. Like John Edwards or Eliot Spitzer screwing whores... who gives a damn, good for them. The only people that should care about that are themselves and their families. Let them be the judge, not the news networks or value groups.

[The Batman]

hence the term "one issue voters".

No, I think you got that wrong. Hence the term "retard"

[redsox39]

Insults get tossed around a lot when it comes to talking politics online. People call each other "retards" and "assholes" and that kind of shit. I want to push all that hyperbole aside for a second and say that you are a sad and pathetic American who doesn't seem to grasp the basic elements of what "American values" and "American freedom" mean. GWB could be Jesus Christ and I would not want him to have the power to wire-tap any conversation I make; nor would I want Obama to have that power, or anyone else, because it's un-American. The fact that you don't get that is disappointing and actually rather frightening, that someone born in this country could so utterly fail to comprehend the most basic fundamentals of what makes the USA so great.

P.S. The Republican party has been in total control of this country for six of the last eight years, please stop blaming everything on Democratic incompetence.

P.P.S. There's no such thing as a "liberal" or "conservative" media; the media will typically be in line with whichever party is in power, because that's how you make money, with the exception that Fox is a decidedly conservative news station. When Clinton was pres the media was vaguely liberal with the exception that Fox was conservative. With Bush as pres the media's been vaguely conservative.

I was kinda with you through this whole thing, I agree it is "un-American". Ben Franklin once said something along the lines of "those who would sacrifice freedom for Security deserve neither." (could be off a word or 2)

I don't like it either, but until a better way comes up to track these bastards who use our good faith laws against us, I see no better way. I also do not fear this being abused, since it seems that 7 years later...it hasn't come up except in Forums like this.

However, I about fell out of my chair when you said there is not a liberal slant to the media...that was just brutally un-true. Outside of Fox (I could argue that all day, but label is there) and AM radio...the left owns the media.

And no, the media doesn't make money by supporting a political party? Are you nuts? They make money by supporting what ever is the fad, the scare, the new, the freaky, anything to make sure that the largest possible group of people nod in agreement and continue to watch. They make money selling ad spots. To get ad spots, you have to have ratings. To get ratings, you have to appease the demographic that watches you the most.

[redsox39]

Well there is a large part of the county that votes based on their beliefs and not what is best for the nation. I many of people who will vote solely on the fact that one candidate or another is Anti abortion.

Thank you! This is why I call Abortion, Gay marriage, Gun Control, Flag burning, "Non-Issues". If you are voting just because of these issues, you deserve to go to Guantanimo Bay.

(Just Kidding, Jail is much worse)

[TheImpossibleMan]

I don't like it either, but until a better way comes up to track these bastards who use our good faith laws against us, I see no better way. I also do not fear this being abused, since it seems that 7 years later...it hasn't come up except in Forums like this.Bush is also just one man. All it takes is a single president who says "You know? Why don't I use these powers to supress political opposition?" and we will be living in a dictatorship in short order. If these powers are allowed to remain in the government, there will come a point at which a president tries to abuse them. One of the few positives I can say about Bush is that he hasn't crossed that line yet, which is why I disagree when people call him 'evil': I just think he's incompetent and unfit to hold the office, but if he were evil he would have done more.

And no, the media doesn't make money by supporting a political party? Are you nuts? They make money by supporting what ever is the fad, the scare, the new, the freaky, anything to make sure that the largest possible group of people nod in agreement and continue to watch. They make money selling ad spots. To get ad spots, you have to have ratings. To get ratings, you have to appease the demographic that watches you the most.I...isn't this what I said?

[kid_vidrio]

The media is infinitely more "liberal" than "conservative". That being said, TIM is right that all MSM does plenty of bidding of whichever party is in control of the White House. They all want access. The biggest problem that I have with the MSM is that in the quest for ratings and money (and who wouldn't want that?), the real stories continue to get lost or buried.
Why don't you start a thread to discuss this.
I don't think you can find anything other than your personal feeling and Rush/Sean/etc to support the allegation.
Look at most of the media ownership, their economic strata, etc. There is liberal reporting perhaps, but the media as a whole does not promote or lean either direction. It's your perception that takes it that way.

Now back to Palin.

[Da Raider]

No, I think you got that wrong. Hence the term "retard"

I'm pretty sure that you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Fletch]

I'm pretty sure that you have no idea what you are talking about.

One-issue voter = retard...makes sense to me. People who vote for someone because of their stance on one issue (abortion, religion, etc...), are pretty dumb. You know there are people who think "Oh, who cares if so and so has never held an office before, he's pro-life, he'll make an awesome senator. He has my vote!"

[Morfin]

So what if people vote on one issue? To them, that is important. What about age? I believe many will not vote for McCain because he is too old (and, Palin is too young/inexperienced). Why is that any less-informed than someone who votes based on an amalgamation of issues?

It is so easy to just come up with a line like one issue voters are retards. And for me it is just as easy to come up with Fletch = retard, based on your one post.

[vasili denisov]

Republican speechwriter / commentator Peggy Noonan: "It's over."

Chuck Todd, Peggy Noonan, Mike Murpy, off-mike.

Dq4sOM4tpno


Mike Murphy: You know, because I come out of the blue swing state governor world: Engler, Whitman, Tommy Thompson, Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush. I mean, these guys -- this is how you win a Texas race, just run it up. And it's not gonna work. And --
PN: It's over.
MM: Still McCain can give a version of the Lieberman speech to do himself some good.
CT: I also think the Palin pick is insulting to Kay Bailey Hutchinson, too.
PN: Saw Kay this morning.
CT: Yeah, she's never looked comfortable about this --
MM: They're all bummed out.
CT: Yeah, I mean is she really the most qualified woman they could have turned to?
PN: The most qualified? No! I think they went for this -- excuse me-- political bullshit about narratives --
CT: Yeah they went to a narrative.
MM: I totally agree.
PN: Every time the Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it.
MM: You know what's really the worst thing about it? The greatness of McCain is no cynicism, and this is cynical.
CT: This is cynical, and as you called it, gimmicky.
MM: Yeah.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/212920.php

[Claydon]

I have no doubt Obama will win.

Get ready for uber debt!

[kareyn01]

I just saw that video. Its hilarious because it shows what the Republicans think of the Palin pick behind the facade of rah!rah! party politics.

[kid_vidrio]

I have no doubt Obama will win.

Get ready for uber debt!
As opposed to what we have now?

[The Batman]

As opposed to what we have now?

and at least this debt won't be created by a war based on lies by some asshole who has never done anything right in his life.

[The Batman]

So what if people vote on one issue? To them, that is important. What about age? I believe many will not vote for McCain because he is too old (and, Palin is too young/inexperienced). Why is that any less-informed than someone who votes based on an amalgamation of issues?

It is so easy to just come up with a line like one issue voters are retards. And for me it is just as easy to come up with Fletch = retard, based on your one post.

What it should be is one issue to maybe sway them, but a candidate is a lot more than the issue of abortion. Its a lot more complex than that. For example with Bush, if ONLY you voted for him because of the whole gay marriage thing your an idiot. However, if you looked into both canidates and wasn't sure, and this was the deciding factor, thats another issue entirely. Issues are the reason why you should vote one person over another, but to base your vote just because of one moral issue and not your own quality of life, you miss the point of voting and should stay home and beat yourself with a stick.

[Debo]

Palin needs to tweak this a bit, but it should work for her.

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[Fletch]

It is so easy to just come up with a line like one issue voters are retards. And for me it is just as easy to come up with Fletch = retard, based on your one post.

Wow, I see what you did there. Clever.

Yeah, I think it's fucking stupid that people would make a decision like that based on one issue. Is it too much to ask for people to make a more informed decision?

Like Batman said, of course one issue may be more important to you than others. If that sways your vote or plays a big part in it, fine...but to ignore the many issues at play because you agree with a candidate on a single issue seems really shallow.

[Stax]

Palin needs to tweak this a bit, but it should work for her.

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Problem is that is Obama's argument, cut and dry. If the Republicans really want to run on the Obama-but-a-woman-and-the-VP ticket and hope to win... :/

[Debo]

Problem is that is Obama's argument, cut and dry. If the Republicans really want to run on the Obama-but-a-woman-and-the-VP ticket and hope to win... :/

Her argument is better since she was actually the one in charge as a mayor and, like Clinton, as the governor.

Obama said yesterday that running for President has prepared him to become the President. Talk about on the job training.

Plus, Palin isn't on the top of the ticket, Obama is. This means that McCain must die or become incapacitated before she is put in the position of making any real decisions. The same is not true when discussing "The One".

Edit: Here is a list of her executive experience (not a complete one, but it is a good place to start).
http://www.anchorrising.com/barnacles/006280.html

And another.
http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/aug/30/tale-of-the-tape-sarah-palin-vs-barack-obam/

[Le Goat]

I LOVE YOU PALIN!

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/chknfaqr/c9b22979.jpg

[noahsdove]

OK here's my argument as a father. I have two girls and they have already had the talk. Now at 17 don't you think as a responsible parent you would have had the talk about safe sex and the dangers of unprotected sex ( disease and pregnancy) with your child? What kind of an alaskan whore wouldn't have this talk with their kid?

oh yea this whore. Good luck pubs you re fucked in this one.

[Debo]

OK here's my argument as a father. I have two girls and they have already had the talk. Now at 17 don't you think as a responsible parent you would have had the talk about safe sex and the dangers of unprotected sex ( disease and pregnancy) with your child? What kind of an alaskan whore wouldn't have this talk with their kid?

oh yea this whore. Good luck pubs you re fucked in this one.

Stay classy d-bag.

[Le Goat]

OK here's my argument as a father. I have two girls and they have already had the talk. Now at 17 don't you think as a responsible parent you would have had the talk about safe sex and the dangers of unprotected sex ( disease and pregnancy) with your child? What kind of an alaskan whore wouldn't have this talk with their kid?

oh yea this whore. Good luck pubs you re fucked in this one.

Hate to burst your bubble there fuck stick but thinking your daughters give two shits about what you say, especially at that age, is unbelievable unresponseable and dangerous for two reasons....

1. You are not as successful or as busy as Palin is

2. If you were, your daughters would be fucking their bf's just as much and probably just as lucky as her daughter is.


Better yet, I'll bet you right now your daughters will get preggo within the next 2-3 years. Guess what, that's still young and just as irresponsible as what you think her daughters age is.

[Stax]

Her argument is better since she was actually the one in charge as a mayor and, like Clinton, as the governor.

Obama said yesterday that running for President has prepared him to become the President. Talk about on the job training.

Plus, Palin isn't on the top of the ticket, Obama is. This means that McCain must die or become incapacitated before she is put in the position of making any real decisions. The same is not true when discussing "The One".

Edit: Here is a list of her executive experience (not a complete one, but it is a good place to start).
http://www.anchorrising.com/barnacles/006280.html

And another.
http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/aug/30/tale-of-the-tape-sarah-palin-vs-barack-obam/

A. McCain can't change his argument midstream and expect to be taken seriously. After 6 months of running on "I have more experience than him", switching to "My VP has more executive experience than him (or, BTW, me)" doesn't work.
B. Calling it executive experience doesn't make it magical. What did Palin learn as governor of one of the smallest states in the country (with no great national tragedy that required any real interaction between her office and the feds, even) or mayor of a town of 9000 (other than how to lobby for federal funds)?

[BIG PIZZLE]

Hate to burst your bubble there fuck stick but thinking your daughters give two shits about what you say, especially at that age, is unbelievable unresponseable and dangerous for two reasons....

1. You are not as successful or as busy as Palin is

2. If you were, your daughters would be fucking their bf's just as much and probably just as lucky as her daughter is.


Better yet, I'll bet you right now your daughters will get preggo within the next 2-3 years. Guess what, that's still young and just as irresponsible as what you think her daughters age is.

You make no sense.

[freegood]

A. McCain can't change his argument midstream and expect to be taken seriously. After 6 months of running on "I have more experience than him", switching to "My VP has more executive experience than him (or, BTW, me)" doesn't work.
B. Calling it executive experience doesn't make it magical. What did Palin learn as governor of one of the smallest states in the country (with no great national tragedy that required any real interaction between her office and the feds, even) or mayor of a town of 9000 (other than how to lobby for federal funds)?

Between his living in a hole and eating bugs for 5 years and her having her hole stretched out 5 times, they have the perfect combo for Executive Experience.

[Le Goat]

You make no sense.

I'm taking your route on Politics.

[Fletch]

I turned this on for a few minutes and heard her criticize the media, and praise McCain for always being the same man...that was all I needed to hear.

[Mr. Brown]

It was a great attack speech, but she didn't do what she was suppose to do, tell us about her and bolster support for McCain. She just spat the same ole ish.

[BIG PIZZLE]

We may have another dick cheney on our hands.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_troopergate



ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Gov. Sarah Palin sent e-mails to the state's top police official, criticizing Alaska State Troopers for their investigation of an officer who went through a bitter divorce with her sister, a newspaper reported Wednesday.

Former Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan showed copies of the e-mails to The Washington Post (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/ap/ap_on_el_pr/storytext/cvn_palin_troopergate/28947610/SIG=110vqo985/*http://www.washingtonpost.com/). He didn't provide copies to the newspaper, but said he has turned copies over to an investigator probing the firing for the Legislature.

Monegan has said he felt pressured by Palin family members and her administration to fire Trooper Mike Wooten, whom they say threatened to kill Palin's father, among other accusations, all taking place before she became governor. Monegan was fired by Palin in July.

The Post reported on its Web site that the e-mails were sent from Palin's personal Yahoo account. In one, dated Feb. 7, 2007, it says of the investigation of Wooten: "This trooper is still out on the street, in fact he's been promoted."

"It was a joke, the whole long 'investigation' of him," says the e-mail, sent giving Monegan permission to speak before a bill being heard by the Legislature. "This is the same trooper who's out there today telling people the new administration is going to destroy the trooper organization, and that he'd 'never work for that b '," Palin'.)"

The second e-mail was sent July 17, 2007, discussing a bill before lawmakers that would prevent the mentally ill from having guns.

The e-mail says the first thought "went to my ex-brother-in-law, the trooper, who threatened to kill my dad yet was not even reprimanded by his bosses and still to this day carried a gun, of course."

Palin has strongly denied that Monegan's dismissal had anything to do with her former brother-in-law. She said she never pressured the commissioner to fire her sister's ex-husband and no one from her office had complained about Wooten.

Monegan has said he was never told directly to fire Wooten but felt pressured by members of the governor's family and administration.

There was no answer at Monegan's rural Anchorage home on Wednesday afternoon, and his phone rang unanswered.

Messages left by The Associated Press with the McCain campaign and with her office were not immediately returned.

The content of the e-mails surfaced as an aide to Palin refused to give a deposition to a legislative investigator reviewing Palin's firing of Monegan.

An attorney for Palin aide Frank Bailey questions whether the Legislature has jurisdiction to investigate Monegan's dismissal. The position taken by attorney Greg Grebe on Bailey's behalf echoes the argument by a lawyer hired by the state to defend Palin and her office in the investigation.

When the investigation was launched, Palin said she and her staff would cooperate fully with the investigation.

On Wednesday, Palin's lawyer, Thomas Van Flein, released a letter sent the previous day, asking the state to suspend the investigation until the question of jurisdiction is resolved.

If granted, it could delay announcing whether the investigator found that Palin abused her power in dismissing the commissioner. The results were expected Oct. 31, a week before the November election.

Van Flein on Tuesday also asked the state's personnel board to investigate the firing, trying to pre-empt the legislative investigation.

In 2005, before Palin ran for office, the Palin family accused trooper Mike Wooten of drinking beer in his patrol car, illegally shooting a moose and firing a Taser at his 11-year-old stepson. Palin and her husband, Todd, also claimed Wooten threatened to kill Sarah Palin's father. Wooten, who hasn't returned numerous phone calls left by The Associated Press this week, was suspended over the allegations for five days in 2006 but still has his job.

Palin was elected governor in 2006.

In July, the legislature launched a $100,000 investigation into whether Palin abused her power in firing Monegan.

Monegan has said no one told him directly to fire Wooten, but has said he felt pressure from Palin's family members, including her husband Todd, and administration to do so.

At the time Palin fired him, the governor said she wanted the department to move in a new direction. But later, after Monegan said he felt pressured to fire Wooten, Palin at a news conference said Monegan wasn't a team player, didn't do enough to fill trooper vacancies and battle alcohol abuse issues in rural Alaska.

Grebe said he expects Palin's attorney to file a court challenge to determine which agency has jurisdiction, perhaps as early as Thursday.

When he learned this, Grebe said he told Bailey not to keep his Tuesday evening appointment until jurisdiction could be determined by a judge or agreed upon by Van Flein and the Legislature's investigator, Stephen Branchflower.

"I can't choose one side or the other," Grebe said. "That's not our place to decide that. Normally courts decide disputes like that, so I'll wait to hear from them first."

Neither Van Flein nor Bailey, the director of boards and commissioners who is on paid administrative leave, could be reached Wednesday for comment.
Sen. Hollis French, an Anchorage Democrat overseeing the investigation, said Bailey is the first person who refused to testify.

"It slows down the work that Mr. Branchflower is doing," French said.

"Steve went through a lot of trouble to set up this date.

"It's still premature to say the governor is not cooperating because Bailey has his own lawyer doing this."

Bailey was caught on tape questioning an Alaska State Trooper official why an officer who went through a bitter divorce with Palin's sister was still employed.

In the recorded conversation, Bailey said: "Todd and Sarah are scratching their heads, why on earth hasn't, why is this guy still representing the department? He's a horrible recruiting tool. ... You know, I mean from their perspective, everyone's protecting him."

Palin called the conversation "most disturbing" and "problematic."

At the time Bailey, a mid-level administrator, told The Associated Press that he was worried for the governor's safety and acted on his own without telling Palin or her family.

Grebe said Bailey plans to maintain his stance on what happened, but won't do so until a judge has ruled on the jurisdiction. "He's going to say the same thing all along, that he overstepped his bounds and the mistake was made by him," Grebe said. "I'm hoping for one shot at this but only when somebody can show me they have jurisdiction for what they are doing."

[Lone Wolf]

She did a nice job playing the pretty face throwing daggers. She gives a good speech, I still don't know if there is any substance or not.

[BIG PIZZLE]

Great speach.

[riseabove!]

it was hard to tell with all the mccain 08 chanting

[BIG PIZZLE]

I'm taking your route on Politics.

I make perfect sense, you just dont get it.

[Lone Wolf]

A guy probably would have come off a little too over the top making that speech. She gives a good speech, I happen to think the speech had little substance, but it was still well delivered.

[BIG PIZZLE]

It was over the top but well done.

[Mr. Brown]

It felt like three different writers were used. I know people helped but I really did hear the different styles coming out.

[nuclearjew]

R8hlj_UFi-g

[Claydon]

and at least this debt won't be created by a war based on lies by some asshole who has never done anything right in his life.

900 billion, and the congress (both parties) have amassed 4 trillion since 01.

your math is flawed.

[BIG PIZZLE]

Cladon knows about math because he mastubates to asian porn.

[p-air]

Sarah Palin has killed more polar bears than global warming. Wow.

[The Batman]

I might be the only one on this but I don't think her small town thing is a good thing at all. Being a normal "hockey mom" is complete bullshit. I want an exceptional person to be presidential material. I don't want an average mom. That's not who SHOULD lead this country. McCain is exceptional, Obama is exceptional, she is not. Her speech also failed in my eyes because she never once stated what she would do about all the things that are important to the average middle class america. ie. me. It was more about who she was, which again is not enough for me. But maybe because this was her introduction, i should let it slide. But, then she just talked about McCain and not what they would do about all the problems we face as a country. I wanted her to come out and impress me. I am completely open to voting for McCain ticket because he is a strong choice and makes reasonable decisions about most issues and I don't think she brought anything great to the table. Also, the media made a few mistakes through out this whole thing, zooming in on the baby who has downs syndrome and then trying to find the only 2 black people in that crowd and coming back to them over and over. Honestly, I am sick of all this political bullshit. I wish people would vote with a logical, uncompromising point of view and with an abliity to have a bipartisan position on big issues, but thats not gonna happen.


(also, why the fuck should we give her husband and her parents a standing ovation? Its like giving Paris Hilton one. What the fuck did they do?)

[vasili denisov]

A lot of bullets fired. Maybe they shouldn't have fired so many. Maybe they shouldn't have fired them from a house full of nitro.

[Da Raider]

R8hlj_UFi-g

I normally really dig Doug Stanhope, but damn, his delivery sucked and he looked like a tool in his Packer jersey. I did like the part about not even God likes her...

[noahsdove]

Better yet, I'll bet you right now your daughters will get preggo within the next 2-3 years. Guess what, that's still young and just as irresponsible as what you think her daughters age is.

My kids are 8 and 10. I dont think they will be getting pregnant any time soon.

I think as a parent you need to have a responsibility to teach your kids about safe sex because its not like they advertise it on tv.

[VoxAngelikus]

Here is something that really pisses me off:

Palin: Iraq war 'a task that is from God' (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CVN_PALIN_IRAQ_WAR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2008-09-03-22-48-15)



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ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told ministry students at her former church that the United States sent troops to fight in the Iraq war on a "task that is from God." In an address last June, the Republican vice presidential candidate also urged ministry students to pray for a plan to build a $30 billion natural gas pipeline in the state, calling it "God's will."


Palin asked the students to pray for the troops in Iraq, and noted that her eldest son, Track, was expected to be deployed there.


"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."


A video of the speech was posted at the Wasilla Assembly of God's Web site before finding its way on to other sites on the Internet.



Palin told graduating students of the church's School of Ministry, "What I need to do is strike a deal with you guys." As they preached the love of Jesus throughout Alaska, she said, she'd work to implement God's will from the governor's office, including creating jobs by building a pipeline to bring North Slope natural gas to North American markets.


"God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said. "I can do my job there in developing our natural resources and doing things like getting the roads paved and making sure our troopers have their cop cars and their uniforms and their guns, and making sure our public schools are funded," she added. "But really all of that stuff doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's heart isn't right with God."


Palin attended the evangelical church from the time she was a teenager until 2002, the church said in a statement posted on its Web site. She has continued to attend special conferences and meetings there. Religious conservatives have welcomed her selection as John McCain's running mate.
The Assemblies of God, which claims nearly 3 million members, is one of the biggest Pentecostal groups in the U.S. Unlike most other Christians - including most evangelicals - Pentecostals believe in "baptism in the Holy Spirit." That can manifest itself through speaking in tongues, modern-day prophesy and faith healing. The Assemblies of God teaches that spirit baptism must be accompanied by speaking in tongues. Still, some churchgoers never have the experience.


Rob Boston, a spokesman for Americans United for Separation of Church and State, lamented Palin's comments.


"I miss the days when pastors delivered sermons and politicians delivered political speeches," he said. "The United States is increasingly diverse religiously. The job of a president is to unify all those different people and bring them together around policy goals, not to act as a kind of national pastor and bring people to God."


The section of the church's Web site where videos of past sermons were posted was shut down Wednesday, and a message was posted saying that the site "was never intended to handle the traffic it has received in the last few days."


Say what you will about countries where religious fundamentals run the government, but at least they are up front about it. We live in a country where there is something called Separation of Church and State, and it seems like we are moving ever-closer to a society where that exists in name only.

For eight years we have had God-loving G.W. in the White House, and I have heard more than enough references to "God". Now we have a VP candidate that thinks the war in Iraq is a "task from God" and that in order to get a pipeline in Alaska we have to rely on "God's Will".

Please.

This sort of thing pisses me off way more than Palin's daughter being pregnant.

[Oggie]

Has anyone mentioned that she's hot yet?

[Mr. Brown]

Actually meh. yeah compared to the other women in the national political arena yeah she's attractive, but she's no MILF to me.

[}{arlequin]

has snl started making fun of her yet? i have a feeling that tina fey will make a great palin impersonator.


as for substance, i wasn't looking for any during this speech. this was a 'we are awesome' type of a rally, and that's what they did. substance will probably come out a bit during the debates.

her looks and that speech went hand-in-hand. i'd hit it.

[Oggie]

She's got big boobs.

[Mr. Brown]

eh I'm a thighs (legs) and butt man

[Oggie]

That's 'cause you're black.

[Mr. Brown]

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/1/15/CaptainobviousChooseOption.jpg/225px-CaptainobviousChooseOption.jpg

[Oggie]

The "O" stands for Oggie!

[}{arlequin]

i'd like to see a vid of her making the oggie face

[TheImpossibleMan]

If Palin hadn't been nominated for Veep, does anyone really think McCain would've picked her for positions like Sec Def, Sec State, or anything else like that?

[Mr. Brown]

anyway I still have yet to hear her talk about her and what she's gonna do not what she's done.

[Mr. Brown]

If Palin hadn't been nominated for Veep, does anyone really think McCain would've picked her for positions like Sec Def, Sec State, or anything else like that?

negative

[Oggie]

Sec. of Interior...the interior of her vag!

I got nothing.

[Mr. Brown]

Sec of Education?

[InterningIsiah]

You think CNN was trying to say something here?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/Cocca/t1widepalinthurcnn.jpg

[redsox39]

Why don't you start a thread to discuss this.
I don't think you can find anything other than your personal feeling and Rush/Sean/etc to support the allegation.
Look at most of the media ownership, their economic strata, etc. There is liberal reporting perhaps, but the media as a whole does not promote or lean either direction. It's your perception that takes it that way.

Now back to Palin.

So I guess Fox News isn't leaning right then? Just your perception?

[VoxAngelikus]

Secretary. Period.

Because she's a woman!

[}{arlequin]

Sec of SexEd
*fixed