REPUBLICANS: VP Candidate Palin [Archive] - Page 6

Smokestack

09-25-2008, 09:56 AM

Fair or unfair, the impression or image can be strong.

All of you youngsters can harken (yes, harken) back to 1960 when Richard Nixon, Eisenhower's two-term VP was running for President against Kennedy. Nixon's theme was that he had a lot of experience and had been right at Eisenhower's side, at Cabinet meetings, etc. and had that experience.

A reporter asked Eisenhower to name one good idea or contribution he had made in a Cabinet meeting. Eisenhower stuttered and then said he could not think of one, "but give me a week..."

The question was a gotcha question and, given that Eisenhower had had a stroke, was not exactly fair. Nonetheless, the impression was a strong one and went a good ways to wound Nixon's chances.

Here, Couric's question was the same type and with the intent to see her stumble. With our current glut of news and videos -- which was not present in 1960 -- Palin's gaffe will be of little or no consequence -- other than to pile on in terms of her inexperience and lack of knowledge.

I agree that the impression give was bad and the phrase "I'll have to get back to ya" does no favors for her accent. However, to focus on just this one answer rather than her litany of other dumb ones would be missing the forest for the trees.

Desperado

09-25-2008, 10:01 AM

I guess it sucks for you that no one watches the VP debates though.

Are you kidding... if the Republicans dont try to get this pushed back to Nov 3, this will be a entertaining debate. After seeing that video of Palin with Couric, I just hope she can get the words out.

The Dude

09-25-2008, 10:12 AM

I agree, its a fair point. At my job they tell me don't pretend to know. Either find the answer, find someone who knows the answer or get back to the person later. But all of her answers are pretty awful and seem like someone who has no business answering them.

That's true in most environments i think. Certainly at my job if a customer asks us a question that we don't have the answer to for whatever reason, the solution is not to make up an answer, it's to say, good question, i'll have to get back to you on that.

I don't want a president/vp who has all the answers, or in reality, pretends to. If they don't know something, I want them to go find out about it, not make shit up on the spot.

Tar Heel

09-25-2008, 10:20 AM

All politicians are bullshitters. Some are better than others.

Okie Medicvet

09-25-2008, 10:39 AM

Okay, so given what it going on, it appears to me that the McCain camp is doing anything and everything it can do in order to prevent their even BEING vice-presidential debate. Frankly, I can't blame them, even if the means by which they are doing this is utterly reprehensible.

I think if schedules can't be arranged to allow for a minimum of three presidential debates AND one veep debate, then it will only be becasue of foul play..not the kind that involved danger..but the kind that involves the stupidity of the gop.

smahoo

09-25-2008, 11:18 AM

More on the ever evasive Sarah

Palin won't reveal her finances until after debate

WASHINGTON - Sarah Palin requested and received an extension of the deadline for revealing her personal finances, until the day after her only debate with Democrat Joe Biden.

The Republican vice presidential candidate received a four-day extension Thursday from the Federal Election Commission.

The federal financial disclosure report was initially due next Monday. Now, Palin has until Oct. 3, the day after her debate in St. Louis with Biden, the Democratic vice presidential nominee.

Presidential, vice presidential and congressional candidates must all file ethics reports outlining their assets and liabilities. That includes such things as sources of income, real estate held for investment purposes, stocks and debt.

Trevor Potter, general counsel for the McCain-Palin campaign, told the FEC that the campaign initially thought it had until Oct. 4 to file the report, but then learned the FEC set an earlier due date.

"Most importantly, because Governor Palin has not previously run for federal office, it is clear to us that additional time is required to compile and prepare Governor Palin's financial information," Potter wrote. "As you are well aware, the Executive Branch financial disclosure form is vastly more complex than most state disclosure forms, and requires the assemblage of a quantity and level of detail far beyond that reported previously by the governor in Alaska and therefore readily available."

In granting the extension, the FEC said that if Palin requests still more time, the last possible due date would be Oct. 6.

Palin's federal financial disclosure report will provide the most complete look yet at her assets and liabilities.

For example, it will show whether she and her husband Todd hold any mortgages for real estate investments, and roughly how much any property held for investment purposes is worth. The financial reports that Sarah Palin filed as Alaska governor list property the couple held at that point, but not how much it was worth; how much, if any, profit they made on real estate sales; or how much, if any, mortgage debt they held.

Such information is a standard part of the personal financial disclosure reports that members of Congress, administration officials and federal candidates must file each year. The reports allow the public to see whether politicians may be receiving favorable financial treatment from people with issues before government or have any potential conflicts of interest. They also offer a glimpse of their ability to manage their personal finances.

The financial reports that Palin has filed in Alaska over the years show the Palins have often had several sources of income.

Last year, for example, Sarah Palin earned $125,000 as governor. Her husband took in $46,790 as a part-time oil production operator for BP Alaska in Prudhoe Bay, $46,265 commercial fishing for salmon from June to July in Bristol Bay, and $10,500 in Iron Dog snow machine race winnings.

Earlier this month, Biden released a decade of personal financial records that showed the veteran U.S. senator from Delaware earned less than many of his congressional colleagues. For example, Biden and his wife, Jill, earned $319,853 in 2007. On Thursday, Biden submitted an updated report to the Federal Election Commission

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080925/ap_on_el_pr/palin_finances (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080925/ap_on_el_pr/palin_finances)

how does the McCain campaign not know the due dates of these filings...just another ploy or are they really that incompetent

VoxAngelikus

09-25-2008, 11:22 AM

Ummm...

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I think that's the guy from "Serpent and the Rainbow"

kid_vidrio

09-25-2008, 11:36 AM

Hallelujah.

Morfin

09-25-2008, 11:55 AM

To All Of You Who Claim Liberal Media Bias regarding Sarah Palin criticism:

Here is the latest blog entry from Philip Klein, one of the editors of The American Spectator, the magazine that is to the right of everyone who is to the right:

On second thought, maybe it's a good thing that the McCain campaign is shielding Palin from the media. Her interview with Katie Couric was absolutely painful to watch. She clearly stumbled twice -- when asked how McCain has fought to reform Wall Street and about Rick Davis's ties to Freddie Mac. Her answer that not supporting a bailout could mean a Great Depression was off message and irresponsible. For the rest of the interview, it was just lots of tired cliches, and random jargon that made it seem as if she was reading off of mental index cards. I know a lot of conservatives like Sarah Palin and always rush to her defense. But it's absolutely not meant as an insult to say that she simply is not ready to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.
And for those thinking I made this up, here's the link. (http://www.spectator.org/blogger.asp?bwd=39&byear=2008#14848)

The Republicans are shitting their pants here, folks.

Desperado

09-25-2008, 12:00 PM

YAY Palin is answering questions from the press corps now!!!!!

Palin takes questions from press corps for first time (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/25/palin-takes-questions-from-press-corps-for-first-time/)
Posted: 12:00 PM ET

From CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/tag/cnn-political-producer-peter-hamby/)
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/09/25/art.palinquestions.ap.jpg Palin answered some questions from the traveling press corps, her first time doing so.

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NEW YORK (CNN) — Sarah Palin took questions from her traveling press corps Thursday for the first time since being tapped as John McCain's running mate.
Speaking to a small pool of reporters following a visit to Ground Zero in lower Manhattan, Palin made a statement and then answered four questions, addressing the war on terror, the re-election bids of Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens and Rep. Don Young, and the bailout legislation currently in front of Congress.
Check out the transcript after the jump

PALIN: Every American student needs to come through this area so that, especially this younger generation of Americans is, to be in a position of never forgetting what happened here and never repeating, never allowing a repeat of what happened here. I wish every American would come through here. I wish every world leader would come through here, and understand what it is that took place here and more importantly how America came together and united to commit to never allowing this to happen again. And just to hear and from and see these good New Yorkers who are rebuilding not just this are but helping to rebuild America has been very, very inspiring and encouraging. These are the good Americans who are committed to peace and security and its been an absolute honor getting to meet these folks today.
CNN: On the topic of never letting this happen again, do you agree with the way the Bush administration has handled the war on terrorism, is there anything you would do differently?
A: I agree with the Bush administration that we take the fight to them. We never again let them come onto our soil and try to destroy not only our democracy, but communities like the community of New York. Never again. So yes, I do agree with taking the fight to the terrorists and stopping them over there.
POLITICO: Do you think our presence in Iraq and afghan and our continued presence there is inflaming islamic extremists?
A: I think our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan will lead to further security of our nation, again, because the mission is to take the fight over there. do not let them come over here and attempt again what they accomplished here, and that was some destruction. terrible destruction on that day. but since September 11, Americans uniting and rebuilding and committing to never letting that happen again.
POLITICO: Do you support the reelection bids of embattled Alaska Republicans, Rep. Don Young and Sen. Ted Stevens?
A: Ted Stevens trial started a couple days ago. We’ll see where that goes.
POLITICO: Are you gong to vote for them?
[no answer.]
JERSEY JOURNAL: What do you think of bailout package before congress?
A: I don't support that until the provisions that Sen. McCain has offered are implemented in Paulson's proposals.

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Gwen, CA September 25th, 2008 12:36 pm ET
She's an idiot.

The Batman

09-25-2008, 12:06 PM

YAY Palin is answering questions from the press corps now!!!!!

Its more like, YAY everyone is gonna see how she has no answers for anything.

Desperado

09-25-2008, 12:14 PM

I gotta stay away from an abortion debate...

What exactly were you expecting from these debates? This sounds exactly like the same watered-down bullshit they've been forcefeeding for years. Sit here, and we'll toss you questions that allow you to recite your stump speech. It's sounds like you're expecting prophecies to be foretold during these made-for-TV debates.

Regarding Palin, it's called lowering expectations. That way when she plants her stiletto through Biden's chest everyone will be more impressed that she overcame expectations.

Conversely, if she starts speaking in tongues they can always claim she was a weak debater.

Whiny and butthurt and chickenshit? That's Obama claiming he'll debate on any issue anytime and turning down McCain's offer of 1 debate a week until the election.

Wow, things change so fast....

Claydon

09-25-2008, 12:53 PM

The entire world doesn't use the word "bloody."

That's just the Eurofags.

pwnt

Pharon

09-25-2008, 01:09 PM

Wow, she totally answered those questions like she was wearing a sash and a swimsuit.

Claydon

09-25-2008, 01:10 PM

Wow, she totally answered those questions like she was wearing a sash and a swimsuit.

i like wearing a sash.....wait!

eleveneighteen

09-25-2008, 02:32 PM

Here's an updated article:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/25/palin.media/index.html

Look at the rest of the article. She hardly talked to anyone!

The Batman

09-25-2008, 02:52 PM

Here's an updated article:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/25/palin.media/index.html

Look at the rest of the article. She hardly talked to anyone!

Would you expect her to?

Desperado

09-25-2008, 02:57 PM

Would you expect her to?

Come on guys... at least shes answering questions now right? I mean if the McCain camp had it their way she wouldnt have to debate or do anything! Just stand there and be pretty for the cameras :)

Yelram

09-25-2008, 03:01 PM

Come on guys... at least shes answering questions now right? I mean if the McCain camp had it their way she wouldnt have to debate or do anything! Just stand there and be pretty for the cameras :)

We'll see. If she sucks at the debates, i'll eat my hat, and hand out rep (of which I dont have much) to all you lefties. The problem is you guys are so used to double talk, when someone answers a question honestly, you tend to believe that they dont know what they're talking about. Whereas if someone talks out of both sides of their mouth (OBAMA) you seem to slurp it down like its the soup de jour. You think Obama knows ANYTHING about the economy? You idiots were the one who said "bush never admits when he's wrong, he should" now Mccain admits theres certain aspects of the economy that he isnt well versed in, and suddenly he's incompetent. Its makes no fucking sense. You are all a bunch of hypocritical vultures.

Archetype

09-25-2008, 03:04 PM

So...tits yet?

Desperado

09-25-2008, 03:06 PM

We'll see. If she sucks at the debates, i'll eat my hat, and hand out rep (of which I dont have much) to all you lefties. The problem is you guys are so used to double talk, when someone answers a question honestly, you tend to believe that they dont know what they're talking about. Whereas if someone talks out of both sides of their mouth (OBAMA) you seem to slurp it down like its the soup de jour. You think Obama knows ANYTHING about the economy? You idiots were the one who said "bush never admits when he's wrong, he should" now Mccain admits theres certain aspects of the economy that he isnt well versed in, and suddenly he's incompetent. Its makes no fucking sense. You are all a bunch of hypocritical vultures.

Your opinion of Obama is your own, everyone is entitled right? However Vultures? Dude this is the politics and controversey forum, of course we hang on the politicians statements. Its best to question someones judgement when they say something like..... _1X3efvVTLA

rc113943

09-25-2008, 03:11 PM

We'll see. If she sucks at the debates, i'll eat my hat, and hand out rep (of which I dont have much) to all you lefties. The problem is you guys are so used to double talk, when someone answers a question honestly, you tend to believe that they dont know what they're talking about. Whereas if someone talks out of both sides of their mouth (OBAMA) you seem to slurp it down like its the soup de jour. You think Obama knows ANYTHING about the economy? You idiots were the one who said "bush never admits when he's wrong, he should" now Mccain admits theres certain aspects of the economy that he isnt well versed in, and suddenly he's incompetent. Its makes no fucking sense. You are all a bunch of hypocritical vultures.

I'm very excited for the VP debates this year just to see how Palin holds up against Biden, one of the best debaters within the beltway. I think she is smart to not say much until the debates, because if she prepares well it will have a bigger impact than answering a few questions for reporters now and then

The Batman

09-25-2008, 03:26 PM

We'll see. If she sucks at the debates, i'll eat my hat, and hand out rep (of which I dont have much) to all you lefties. The problem is you guys are so used to double talk, when someone answers a question honestly, you tend to believe that they dont know what they're talking about. Whereas if someone talks out of both sides of their mouth (OBAMA) you seem to slurp it down like its the soup de jour. You think Obama knows ANYTHING about the economy? You idiots were the one who said "bush never admits when he's wrong, he should" now Mccain admits theres certain aspects of the economy that he isnt well versed in, and suddenly he's incompetent. Its makes no fucking sense. You are all a bunch of hypocritical vultures.

And there he is....
If you want to talk about double talk, you’re quite good at it too.
I personally don't think Obama or mccain know a lot about the economy. I hope they surround themselves with people who do, as anyone should.
And Bush NEVER EVER admits he is wrong. Ever.
And I don't think anyone here has said McCain is incompetent for not knowing about the economy, just incompetent for choosing that woman for VP.

The Batman

09-25-2008, 04:06 PM

Archetype

09-25-2008, 04:08 PM

So...no tits?

Archangel

09-25-2008, 05:16 PM

from an EW.com interview with John Steward and Colbert.
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20228603,00.html?iid=top25-20080925-Stewart+%26+Colbert%3A+Exclusive+Q%26A
"
Why do you think some people embraced her as a folk hero?
STEWART: I keep hearing that she's ''like us.'' There's this idea that people who hunt and have ''good'' values are somehow this mythological American; I don't know who ''this'' person is, I've never met them. She is no more typical ''us'' than I am, than Obama is, than McCain (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20217335,00.html) is, than Mr. T (http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,20001952,00.html) is. If there is something quintessentially or authentically American about her, I sort of feel like, you know what? You ''good values people'' have had the country for eight years, and done an unbelievably s---ty job. Let's find some bad values people and give them a shot, maybe they'll have a better take on it."

Well said Stewart.

Yeah, I never understood this notion that these "one of us" figures in American politics are basically rednecks. So if you prefer reading Kant over shooting animals, if you prefer a Mercedes over a Ford, if you think that sex is a good and natural thing, somehow you're not 100% American? Do Americans enjoy reinforcing people's negative stereotypes?

Dunno, I lived in America for quite a bit, and judging by what I saw, most Americans aren't "one of us".

Also, how many more scandals is it going to take for America to realise that the most vocal "family values" people are the biggest hypocrites on earth?

Smokestack

09-25-2008, 09:37 PM

Unfuckingbelievable:

iv6CRObROV0

Country first, eh?

Axel

09-25-2008, 09:57 PM

^ She is either a apart of :

a vast right-wing conspiracy to make Dubya look like an shrewd, erudite, articulated public spokesman or
a vast left-wing conspiracy to fuck up any McCain’s chances to win presidency.

kid_vidrio

09-25-2008, 10:12 PM

Katie Couric for VP

Mustard

09-25-2008, 10:39 PM

Unfuckingbelievable:

iv6CRObROV0

Country first, eh?
I... uh. Well, color me ignorant, I just don't get it. What exactly am I watching here?

The Batman

09-25-2008, 10:45 PM

I... uh. Well, color me ignorant, I just don't get it. What exactly am I watching here?

A train wreck.

Mustard

09-25-2008, 10:52 PM

Well my best guess was a sinking ship, so the comparison was apt.

Deadhead Derek

09-26-2008, 12:16 AM

Anderson Cooper just did a lead in to coverage of the Couric / Palin interview and said
"You just have to see this to believe it..."

freegood

09-26-2008, 12:27 AM

http://www.hecklerspray.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/chris-crocker.jpg
LIBERAL MEDIA LEAVE SARAH ALONE!!

Deadhead Derek

09-26-2008, 12:30 AM

"Putin flies in over Alaska"
wow.
I realize that those of you who can only see in terms of party, say that you can see nothing wrong with that, that it is a 'witch hunt' by the "left"

To that I ask, as an Independent, is..... Really?

c'mon how can you possibly defend this candidate who cannot, by virtue of any answer given to to any question asked to date, validate any reason to be the Vice President of the most power nation in the world.

Mustard

09-26-2008, 12:32 AM

Seriously though, Sarah Palin is fuckin' hot.

Deadhead Derek

09-26-2008, 12:55 AM

not Ferraro hot....

Mustard

09-26-2008, 12:58 AM

Pantsuits make me happy in my no no place.

Deadhead Derek

09-26-2008, 01:25 AM

Then this should tickle your garanimals...excerpt from the Couric / Palin

"Palin's unblinking certitude gave way at other times in the interview to a striking imprecision, as when she struggled to respond to Couric's suggestion that the $700-billion bailout might be better funneled through middle-class families instead of Wall Street firms.

"That's why I say I, like every American I'm speaking with, we're ill about this position that we have been put in . . ." Palin began, before meandering off in fruitless pursuit of coherence.

But I'll let the governor speak for herself:

" . . . where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the healthcare reform that is needed to help shore up our economy. Um, helping, oh -- it's got to be all about job creation too. Shoring up our economy, and putting it back on the right track. So healthcare reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions, and tax relief for Americans, and trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, um, scary thing, but 1 in 5 jobs being created in the trade sector today. We've got to look at that as more opportunity. All of those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that."

Mustard

09-26-2008, 01:34 AM

I just went crosseyed. Thanks alot Derek!

Deadhead Derek

09-26-2008, 01:36 AM

I, and the GOP, are here to help.

Mustard

09-26-2008, 01:38 AM

Quick! Somebody throw money at me.

Kerjack

09-26-2008, 01:45 AM

Quick! Somebody throw money at me.

*Throws handful of nickels at Sink*

Mustard

09-26-2008, 01:47 AM

You bastard...

VoxAngelikus

09-26-2008, 07:55 AM

I don't want Sarah Palin based solely on the "Stranger Danger" factor.

And the fact that she's got a damaged uterus that pumps out retarded kids.

Morfin

09-26-2008, 08:07 AM

"That's why I say I, like every American I'm speaking with, we're ill about this position that we have been put in . . ." Palin began, before meandering off in fruitless pursuit of coherence.

I bow down to the snideness virtuosity of this writer.

eleveneighteen

09-26-2008, 08:15 AM

Unfuckingbelievable:

iv6CRObROV0

Country first, eh?

She stands on the "narrow maritime border" and exchanges titty flashes with russian whores.

Smokestack

09-26-2008, 08:25 AM

iv6CRObROV0

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noahsdove

09-26-2008, 09:03 AM

she is a fucking nimrod. Not only does she make george Bush look like Einstein but the fact that they only reason she was picked was because the pubs wanted to sway some hiliry voters to the dark side makes me sick. Im sorry I used to support John McCain a long time ago but recently his actions and the actions of his running (pri)mate have made me once again vote democrat.

halfabubbleoff

09-26-2008, 09:21 AM

After reading the quote and watching the video....

All I can think of is "What's teh difference between W and Palin? Lipstick"

She sounded just like him, with a different accent.

Tell me she isn't always that bad when she is off script. Please

Smokestack

09-26-2008, 10:55 AM

Yikes, some really bad press for Palin straight from the National Review:

Palin Problem
She’s out of her league.

By Kathleen Parker

If at one time women were considered heretical for swimming upstream against feminist orthodoxy, they now face condemnation for swimming downstream — away from Sarah Palin.

To express reservations about her qualifications to be vice president — and possibly president — is to risk being labeled anti-woman.

Or, as I am guilty of charging her early critics, supporting only a certain kind of woman.

Some of the passionately feminist critics of Palin who attacked her personally deserved some of the backlash they received. But circumstances have changed since Palin was introduced as just a hockey mom with lipstick — what a difference a financial crisis makes — and a more complicated picture has emerged.

As we’ve seen and heard more from John McCain’s running mate, it is increasingly clear that Palin is a problem. Quick study or not, she doesn’t know enough about economics and foreign policy to make Americans comfortable with a President Palin should conditions warrant her promotion.

Yes, she recently met and turned several heads of state as the United Nations General Assembly convened in New York. She was gracious, charming and disarming. Men swooned. Pakistan’s president wanted to hug her. (Perhaps Osama bin Laden is dying to meet her?)

And, yes, she has common sense, something we value. And she’s had executive experience as a mayor and a governor, though of relatively small constituencies (about 6,000 and 680,000, respectively).

Finally, Palin’s narrative is fun, inspiring and all-American in that frontier way we seem to admire. When Palin first emerged as John McCain’s running mate, I confess I was delighted. She was the antithesis and nemesis of the hirsute, Birkenstock-wearing sisterhood — a refreshing feminist of a different order who personified the modern successful working mother.

Palin didn’t make a mess cracking the glass ceiling. She simply glided through it.

It was fun while it lasted.

Palin’s recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.

No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I’ve been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I’ve also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does. My cringe reflex is exhausted.

Palin filibusters. She repeats words, filling space with deadwood. Cut the verbiage and there’s not much content there. Here’s but one example of many from her interview with Hannity: “Well, there is a danger in allowing some obsessive partisanship to get into the issue that we’re talking about today. And that’s something that John McCain, too, his track record, proving that he can work both sides of the aisle, he can surpass the partisanship that must be surpassed to deal with an issue like this.”

When Couric pointed to polls showing that the financial crisis had boosted Obama’s numbers, Palin blustered wordily: “I’m not looking at poll numbers. What I think Americans at the end of the day are going to be able to go back and look at track records and see who’s more apt to be talking about solutions and wishing for and hoping for solutions for some opportunity to change, and who’s actually done it?”

If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself.

If Palin were a man, we’d all be guffawing, just as we do every time Joe Biden tickles the back of his throat with his toes. But because she’s a woman — and the first ever on a Republican presidential ticket — we are reluctant to say what is painfully true.

What to do?

McCain can’t repudiate his choice for running mate. He not only risks the wrath of the GOP’s unforgiving base, but he invites others to second-guess his executive decision-making ability. Barack Obama faces the same problem with Biden.

Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first.

Do it for your country.

(http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDZiMDhjYTU1NmI5Y2MwZjg2MWNiMWMyYTUxZDkwNTE=)

eleveneighteen

09-26-2008, 10:58 AM

NOOOO.... PLEASE stay in, Sarah.

Morfin

09-26-2008, 11:06 AM

Holy Thomas Eagleton, Batman!

First the American Spectator. Link (http://www.spectator.org/blogger.asp?bwd=39&byear=2008#14848)

Now, the National Review.

If these two publications are sounding the alarm, then there is trouble in River City. That's right. Trouble. With a capital T, that rhymes with P, and that stands for Palin.

Desperado

09-26-2008, 11:40 AM

Yikes, some really bad press for Palin straight from the National Review:

Palin Problem
She’s out of her league.

(http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDZiMDhjYTU1NmI5Y2MwZjg2MWNiMWMyYTUxZDkwNTE=)

Wow... that was brutal.

VoxAngelikus

09-26-2008, 12:15 PM

<--- waiting for the spin from Hanover, Claydon, Rover or Yelram.

hatepoppy

09-26-2008, 12:18 PM

more like sitnspin.

Morfin

09-26-2008, 12:26 PM

<--- waiting for the spin from Hanover, Claydon, Rover or Yelram.

Shouldn't that arrow point to the right?

hatepoppy

09-26-2008, 12:31 PM

Shouldn't that arrow point to the right?
no, as it is an indication of exactly who is waiting. as he's not a complete ass, he is speaking only for himself.

my second monitor is not waiting for teh spin, vox is.

Morfin

09-26-2008, 12:36 PM

Apparently your sense of humor is waiting for you wherever you lost it. Oh, that's right, you have none, you would rather just flame on everyone like the know-it-all crab you are. Whatever.

VoxAngelikus

09-26-2008, 12:36 PM

Oh but she's a "hockey mom"! And she's only running for VP! Obama has just as little EXP points and he's running for POTUS!! How can you compare the two!

It's funny, for all the accusations that anyone not for McCain-Palin '08 is a talking-point spouting left-wing lib, I certainly expect a lot of talking-point right wing shit in response.

What was that thing Lincoln once said? "A house divided against itself cannot stand"? That's taken from taken from Matthew 12:25 (http://php.ug.cs.usyd.edu.au/%7Ejnot4610/bibref.php?book=%20Matthew&verse=12:25&src=%21): "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand".

Which means that the GMF P&C forums entire existence is a miracle.

VoxAngelikus

09-26-2008, 12:37 PM

no, as it is an indication of exactly who is waiting. as he's not a complete ass, he is speaking only for himself.

my second monitor is not waiting for teh spin, vox is.

A) Morfin was making a joke.

B) I am waiting for the spin.

C) Go fuck yourself.

redsox39

09-26-2008, 12:38 PM

hatepoppy

09-26-2008, 12:38 PM

damn son i was just talkin. honestly had no intention of talkin shit.

didnt know your va-gay-jay was all cantankerous today.

either way i dont care. youre a kunckt!

Deadhead Derek

09-26-2008, 12:44 PM

Was Couric Suggesting that we give a tax refund (of $4250 a person)? Wouldn't that just be another copy cating of Bush's failed policy?I think the point was more towards the fact that after being cloistered away for three weeks prepping, Palin has issues with putting thoughts in logical order or answering anything completely. I'm not bashing for bashing sake, I am simply stating that as someone who accepted the role she did, she needs to be more on the mark than she has shown to date. She is out of her league.

VoxAngelikus

09-26-2008, 01:10 PM

didnt know your va-gay-jay was all cantankerous today.

My vagina is a veritable sandbox.

Rover

09-26-2008, 01:28 PM

<--- waiting for the spin from Hanover, Claydon, Rover or Yelram.I'm not going to spin. It's a far cry from being interviewed by the Anchorage Daily News to the CBS Evening News. Of her 3 interviews, the one with Hannity was the strongest. Probably because he wasn't interested in 'Gotcha'. Seriously, the question about McCain's 26 year legislative history is worse than the Bush doctrine. It's quite obvious in the Couric interview that she's lacking confidence in her answers, but whether that's because she's unable to form a congnitive thought on her own, or because she's been bombarded by preparation for 3 weeks, is open to debate.

But she's given 3 interviews and about an hour of edited footage. I'm just saying give her an unedited debate before you all consider her a blundering, slobbering, idiot. If Biden destroys her, then okay.

But I still think a VP doesn't matter. Quayle was elected and he was a mess. VPs don't matter.

hatepoppy

09-26-2008, 01:33 PM

I'm not going to spin. It's a far cry from being interviewed by the Anchorage Daily News to the CBS Evening News. Of her 3 interviews, the one with Hannity was the strongest. Probably because he wasn't interested in 'Gotcha'. Seriously, the question about McCain's 26 year legislative history is worse than the Bush doctrine. It's quite obvious in the Couric interview that she's lacking confidence in her answers, but whether that's because she's unable to form a congnitive thought on her own, or because she's been bombarded by preparation for 3 weeks, is open to debate.

But she's given 3 interviews and about an hour of edited footage. I'm just saying give her an unedited debate before you all consider her a blundering, slobbering, idiot. If Biden destroys her, then okay.

But I still think a VP doesn't matter. Quayle was elected and he was a mess. VPs don't matter.

until the old fucker croaks in february.

Deadhead Derek

09-26-2008, 01:34 PM

right about now, Quayle looks like a Rhodes scholar

VoxAngelikus

09-26-2008, 01:39 PM

]But I still think a VP doesn't matter. Quayle was elected and he was a mess. VPs don't matter.

Cheney was elected, too, and he is far from a mess. In fact, there are a lot of people who feel he borders on downright insidious. (Whether that can be proved is debatable.)

I think he is proof positive, however, that VPs do in fact matter a lot. Whether it be to aid a President's shortcomings or to aid getting a voting demographic, VPs are not chosen on a whim. I do not buy the argument that "VPs don't matter", so hey, Sarah Palin's lack of experience and the fact that she gives an interview like a female Dubya? That's okay! She's only VP. That doesn't matter!

Rover

09-26-2008, 01:46 PM

The Batman

09-26-2008, 02:11 PM

And Cheney was re-elected. So what does that tell you about VPs? If they really mattered I doubt Cheney would have been re-elected. Are you really suggesting that the voters re-elected Bush even with the full knowledge that Darth Cheney was insidiously manipulating Bush's puppet string?

Even I'm not that cynical enough to believe the voters would do that.

It tells you that people in America don't care about who runs this country. It tells you that we created all the problems we are dealing with today by hiring a half wit and a dubious bastard.

hatepoppy

09-26-2008, 02:13 PM

who is this 'we' youre talking about?

Morfin

09-26-2008, 02:13 PM

But I still think a VP doesn't matter. Quayle was elected and he was a mess. VPs don't matter.

Dodging a bullet once does not mean we aren't going to get shot the second time.

The Batman

09-26-2008, 02:23 PM

who is this 'we' youre talking about?

The government, the banks, and the people. EVERYONE fucked up.

Morfin

09-26-2008, 02:30 PM

The government, the banks, and the people. EVERYONE fucked up.

I can't speak for anyone else here, but I didn't fuck up. I did not overspend on my house, I make all my mortgage payments, have never been foreclosed on. But now I'm being called on to bail out the banks who freely lent out this money, to bail out the people who over-extended themselves on easy credit, to bail out the investment banks who securitized these mortgages and who had unbe-fucking-lievable leverage ratios. Fuck them all. Let 'em fail. Let 'em lose their houses.

As a parent, if my child screws up, should I just bail him out, or let him learn from the situation? If we bail out all these people and companies, aren't we just telling them, "You can take these huge risks and don't worry, if you fail, we'll cover you"? Funny, if I screw up and lose my clients and my law practice goes out of business, I don't get a free "do over." Guess I shoulda gone into investment banking -- make big money with no risk.

After that rant, I need another Diet Coke.

The Batman

09-26-2008, 02:35 PM

I can't speak for anyone else here, but I didn't fuck up. I did not overspend on my house, I make all my mortgage payments, have never been foreclosed on. But now I'm being called on to bail out the banks who freely lent out this money, to bail out the people who over-extended themselves on easy credit, to bail out the investment banks who securitized these mortgages and who had unbe-fucking-lievable leverage ratios. Fuck them all. Let 'em fail. Let 'em lose their houses.

As a parent, if my child screws up, should I just bail him out, or let him learn from the situation? If we bail out all these people and companies, aren't we just telling them, "You can take these huge risks and don't worry, if you fail, we'll cover you"? Funny, if I screw up and lose my clients and my law practice goes out of business, I don't get a free "do over." Guess I shoulda gone into investment banking -- make big money with no risk.

After that rant, I need another Diet Coke.

With the blame game, it seems like the media is talking about only the banks, when there is a large segment of this population that created this problem. I am with you though. I am not part of the problem. I didn't buy a house, i have perfect credit, I do what I need to do, but EVERYONE was involved in this, meaning the people, the banks and the federal government.

smahoo

09-26-2008, 03:22 PM

let's focus here people...the last three posts belong in another thread

this one is to highlight how fucked up Sarah Palin is....stay on course

Pollo

09-26-2008, 03:26 PM

I can't speak for anyone else here, but I didn't fuck up. I did not overspend on my house, I make all my mortgage payments, have never been foreclosed on. But now I'm being called on to bail out the banks who freely lent out this money, to bail out the people who over-extended themselves on easy credit, to bail out the investment banks who securitized these mortgages and who had unbe-fucking-lievable leverage ratios. Fuck them all. Let 'em fail. Let 'em lose their houses.

As a parent, if my child screws up, should I just bail him out, or let him learn from the situation? If we bail out all these people and companies, aren't we just telling them, "You can take these huge risks and don't worry, if you fail, we'll cover you"? Funny, if I screw up and lose my clients and my law practice goes out of business, I don't get a free "do over." Guess I shoulda gone into investment banking -- make big money with no risk.

After that rant, I need another Diet Coke.

I was just about to make this point, but you hit it right out of the ballpark. why should we come to the aid of corrupt businesses who put themselves in this position only for the government to come in and bail them out and try to patch everything back together? should another screwup happen, we all know that company will be crawling back to the government and everything will be 'fine' and 'dandy'. I hate to see the turmoil it's caused many Americans, but this 'do over' thing is bullshit.

The Batman

09-26-2008, 03:28 PM

I was just about to make this point, but you hit it right out of the ballpark. why should we come to the aid of corrupt businesses who put themselves in this position only for the government to come in and bail them out and try to patch everything back together? should another screwup happen, we all know that company will be crawling back to the government and everything will be 'fine' and 'dandy'. I hate to see the turmoil it's caused many Americans, but this 'do over' thing is bullshit.

Yeah, but sadly no one has a better idea in terms of fixing the problems and to bring this back to the subject matter, Palin definitely doesn't.

Archangel

09-26-2008, 05:53 PM

So...

Let me guess. While you, the American taxpayers, are asked to cough up $700 billion to save corporations whose greed and incompetence lost them fuck-tonnes of money and fucked up the life savings of untold people, their multi-millionaire executives, whose greed caused this in the first place, and whose only loss are their stock options' worth (boo hoo), are getting off scot free?

What I love about this is that for years, American bankers laughed at their German counterparts (with Deutsche Bank not exactly a midget in that particular business) because they were so "stifled" by government regulations. Look who's laughing now.

By the way, what does this do to the quintessentially American notion of government non-involvement in business and the ridiculously optimistic belief in the market? I mean, when the government tells you not to play fast and loose with your clients' money, that's bad, but when you fuck up, the government and the taxpayers have to pay for it?
I'm the farthest thing from a communist, but damn...

Pharon

09-26-2008, 05:55 PM

What I love about this is that for years, American bankers laughed at their German counterparts (with Deutsche Bank not exactly a midget in that particular business) because they were so "stifled" by government regulations. Look who's laughing now.
Not the Germans. They don't know how to laugh.

hatepoppy

09-26-2008, 06:01 PM

i remember telling people when i was in college that i saw another depression coming. in the 20's it was wholesale credit, in the nineties it was the same. bcause that credit was used to buy houses and not stock is irrelevant. the same net effect is observed. bad credit leads to the collapse of teh financial institutions that raped teh public. the people get fucked, the rich bastards that engineered (yes this shit was done deliberately) the situation are left unaccountable.

i know its my fucked up pop's conspiratorial demeanor bleeding into my head, but this shit has rothschilde written all over it.

Archangel

09-26-2008, 06:13 PM

Not the Germans. They don't know how to laugh.

The CEO of Deutsche Bank is Swiss, though.

Archangel

09-26-2008, 06:15 PM

hatepoppy

09-26-2008, 06:42 PM

Is it just me, or does anyone else remember Bush talk about encouraging more Americans to be home-owners, a couple of years ago?no i agree whole-heartedly. they did just hand over $300B (what's that, 18 euros now? thanks again governor bush) for less than $2B.

Deadhead Derek

09-27-2008, 06:31 AM

Palin was missing from the post debate wrap ups. hiding in Dick Cheney's hidden bunker I guess.....I would love to hear the pro-palin spin on why she shouldn't have been there (on sat feed) to present a united ticket. It looked like shit for the GOP,hiding her away.Afraid the reporters would ask nasty follow ups to the previously poorly answered questions? Or is it that she is such a "star" now, that the party didn't want to steal any of McCain's shine from the night...pitiful.

heelsguy

09-27-2008, 07:33 AM

Is it just me, or does anyone else remember Bush talk about encouraging more Americans to be home-owners, a couple of years ago?

yeah,...but that is like saying "more people should try to go to college": they still have to qualify.

hatepoppy

09-27-2008, 07:48 AM

yeah,...but that is like saying "more people should try to go to college": they still have to qualify.except the whole problem was they didnt. or at least, didnt have to reasonably qualify. i knew college kids with no job at all that got a house by telling the bank their student loans were income (@45K/yr). anyone care to guess if that house was foreclosed upon?

VoxAngelikus

09-27-2008, 08:42 AM

NBC News' post debate wrap-up had Joe Biden's response to the debate. They then said they asked for Sarah Palin's reaction, but guess what! The GOP turned them down and sent them Rudy Giuliani instead.

How on Earth can you have a VP candidate THAT WILL NOT TALK TO THE MEDIA?!?!?

Maybe VP is not as important, but if your VP candidate cannot even comment on the debate? Jesus Christ, man....

freegood

09-27-2008, 11:04 PM

It's a damn smart move, Vox. Let a man do a man's job....

Jack Cafferty rips into Palin.
L8__aXxXPVc

Mustard

09-27-2008, 11:10 PM

Yeah, like Wolf said... It was not her best answer.

Weeping Jesus on the cross.

Pharon

09-27-2008, 11:43 PM

She's a fucking train wreck, that's for sure.

I can't wait to see her debate Biden. Should be highly entertaining.

Mustard

09-27-2008, 11:47 PM

Biden was asked if he would take it easy on her in an interview last night and he said something to the effect that he wouldn't put on the kiddie gloves for her.

I lulz'd. This debate will more than likely be (by a big margin) the most difficult debate she has ever done. A win for Palin in my view would be to not make an utter fool of herself.

Pharon

09-27-2008, 11:49 PM

Palin debating me would be the most difficult debate she's ever done.

Her debating Biden will be an ass-kicking of monumental proportions.

Claydon

09-27-2008, 11:51 PM

Palin debating me would be the most difficult debate she's ever done.

Her debating Biden will be an ass-kicking of monumental proportions.

ie she may kick biden's ass?

but seriously, i think both of them will make fools of themselves. biden is famous for his ass fuckery.

Mustard

09-27-2008, 11:52 PM

I know Pharon, I know... I'm still trying to remain objective until the verbal rape ensues.

Mustard

09-27-2008, 11:53 PM

but seriously, i think both of them will make fools of themselves. biden is famous for his ass fuckery.
Hahaha so true...

It will be a win for Biden if he can refrain from making a blue remark about Palin.

Pharon

09-27-2008, 11:55 PM

but seriously, i think both of them will make fools of themselves. biden is famous for his ass fuckery.
Oh, no doubt Biden will put his foot in his mouth at least a few times -- that's why it will be so entertaining. But at least the substance of what he talks about usually makes sense. He's not a dumb guy -- he's just got no filter, and that's something a politician needs if he doesn't want to get crucified by 6-second youtube soundbites.

I really can't wait. I'm probably gonna masturbate through the whole thing.

Claydon

09-27-2008, 11:55 PM

Hahaha so true...

It will be a win for Biden if he can refrain from making a blue remark about Palin.

i got 10 bucks he says something about her makeup or 'retard kids' or some such shit.

or, if the gods are really smiling something like 'america loves obama because he is such a clean black man that everyone can get behind'. Rehashing his brilliant argument from like a year ago.

Claydon

09-27-2008, 11:56 PM

Oh, no doubt Biden will put his foot in his mouth at least a few times -- that's why it will be so entertaining. But at least the substance of what he talks about usually makes sense. He's not a dumb guy -- he's just got no filter, and that's something a politician needs if he doesn't want to get crucified by 6-second youtube soundbites.

I really can't wait. I'm probably gonna masturbate through the whole thing.

interesting, i jerk off to japanese girls in school uniforms sucking on each others tits, you jerk off to biden.

mmmmmm yah, not gay at all

Pharon

09-27-2008, 11:57 PM

Don't judge me.

Mustard

09-28-2008, 12:00 AM

i got 10 bucks he says something about her makeup or 'retard kids' or some such shit.

or, if the gods are really smiling something like 'america loves obama because he is such a clean black man that everyone can get behind'. Rehashing his brilliant argument from like a year ago.
Like Pharon said, the man has no filter. And since he comes across to me as a stand-up, honest guy (caveat: at least as a politician is concerned) I think I relate most with his very candid observations, most of the time.

Claydon

09-28-2008, 12:02 AM

Like Pharon said, the man has no filter. And since he comes across to me as a stand-up, honest guy (caveat: at least as a politician is concerned) I think I relate most with his very candid observations, most of the time.

like breaking up iraq into ethnic 'stans'?

Mustard

09-28-2008, 12:03 AM

A classic.

Rover

09-28-2008, 12:28 AM

i got 10 bucks he says something about her makeup or 'retard kids' or some such shit.That reminds me of when John Edwards started making comments about Cheney's lesbian daughter during their debate.

Pharon

09-28-2008, 12:30 AM

I cringed when he did that. I fully expected Cheney to jump across the table and choke the pretentious bastard.

Claydon

09-28-2008, 12:32 AM

I cringed when he did that. I fully expected Cheney to jump across the table and choke the pretentious bastard.

cheney was interviewed by pbs recently about that moment of the debate. he pretty much stated that he was absolutely furious at edwards, and the fact that the VP remained so cool about it outwardly was impressive.

Mustard

09-28-2008, 12:33 AM

I cringed when he did that. I fully expected Cheney to jump across the table and choke the pretentious bastard. invite him on a hunting trip.
*fixed

Claydon

09-28-2008, 01:07 AM

the sarah palin swim suit footage from the 84 miss alaska beauty pagent.

i wonder what democratic operative dug this up

rSdFIDygFwM

Mustard

09-28-2008, 01:09 AM

So thats why she keeps giving answers in interviews like a beauty queen...

Claydon

09-28-2008, 01:10 AM

the music they were playing was so 80s porno.......

.......ummmm don't ask

Menace2Sobriety

09-28-2008, 01:12 AM

Palin has a sweet voice and great titties. Total Package.

Mustard

09-28-2008, 01:15 AM

Palin has a sweet voice and great titties. Total Package.
For a beauty pageant? Or to be the VP of the United States?

Rover

09-28-2008, 01:17 AM

That's kind of how I like my strippers...what are we voting on again?

Mustard

09-28-2008, 01:23 AM

The hottest candidate. Its like a reality show, but everybody loses in the end.

Deadhead Derek

09-28-2008, 01:33 AM

heelsguy

09-28-2008, 06:17 AM

look, no one expects Palin to even just do poorly. I think if McCain's handlers will cut off the intense prepping and then spend the rest of the time building her confidence back up, she will be fine.

It is not like she and biden are at the top of their tickets. All she has to do is compare McCain to Obama and avoid making it about being smarter/more experienced than Biden...and unwinnable argument. If Biden calls her too inexperienced, she should immediately confront Biden on why Biden said this year that Obama was too inexperienced.

noahsdove

09-28-2008, 07:08 AM

Palin has a sweet voice and great titties. Total Package.
I think Dan Quayle was smarter then she is.

Yelram

09-28-2008, 10:35 AM

Why isnt it better to give the money to middle class Americans who are struggling with healthcare, gas, and groceries., instead of bailing out these businesses?

" . . . where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the healthcare reform that is needed to help shore up our economy. Um, helping, oh -- it's got to be all about job creation too. Shoring up our economy, and putting it back on the right track. So healthcare reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions, and tax relief for Americans, and trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, um, scary thing, but 1 in 5 jobs being created in the trade sector today. We've got to look at that as more opportunity. All of those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that."

Well the first thing you have to realize is when Katie Couric says "giving money back to middle class Americans", Palin hears "tax cut". And I think she also assumes that people understand that these financial institutions are the backbone of the economy, and creating wealth, so she goes on explaining multiple different facets of the economy, and how they are interconnected. And trade is another part of the economy affected by this bailout, because this deal was originally sparked at the behest of the European bankers, who were going to lose money as well and negatively effect trade. I really dont see much wrong with her answer. You ask a loaded question, you get a loaded answer. I think its obvious that giving this money to the people who "need" it right now would be rewarding the people who caused it MORE SO than the banking institutions who were FORCED by the government to give loans to people who couldnt afford them. Dont get me wrong, I'm completely against this bailout, I dont know of anyone who isnt, but theres no doubt that letting these companies go under would negatively effect every middle-class american.

Its funny with republicans, you have an extremely articulate well spoken, experienced VP, and somehow he's Darth Vader, pulling the strings. You have an individual that is much more aligned with the common American, and suddenly they are "dumb" or they have a "weird accent". I'd love to actually hear Democrats receive the same scrutiny.

eleveneighteen

09-28-2008, 11:06 AM

YouTube links have been pulled down but MAN Tina Fey tore up Sarah Palin again last night. Here's a question... has anyone EVER in politics sounded more like a freakin' idiot than Sarah Palin?

Hobnail_Boot

09-28-2008, 11:21 AM

YouTube links have been pulled down but MAN Tina Fey tore up Sarah Palin again last night. Here's a question... has anyone EVER in politics sounded more like a freakin' idiot than Sarah Palin?
Dan Quayle?

Yelram

09-28-2008, 11:21 AM

BusterPortugal

09-28-2008, 11:23 AM

Pharon

09-28-2008, 11:38 AM

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/couric-palin-open/704042/
The scary thing about this spoof is how close it was to the actual thing.

eleveneighteen

09-28-2008, 01:19 PM

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/couric-palin-open/704042/

Sweet! Just check the official site... great thinking. :rolleyes:

eleveneighteen

09-28-2008, 01:20 PM

Dan Quayle?

...was a fucking GENIUS compared to Sarah Palin.

freegood

09-28-2008, 02:22 PM

Why isnt it better to give the money to middle class Americans who are struggling with healthcare, gas, and groceries., instead of bailing out these businesses?

It was called the rebate stimulus package. While it worked to some extent, it didn't do much in the grand scheme of things.

heelsguy

09-28-2008, 02:23 PM

The scary thing about this spoof is how close it was to the actual thing.
they had the advantage of first seeing the actual thing

Morfin

09-28-2008, 02:33 PM

It was called the rebate stimulus package. While it worked to some extent, it didn't do much in the grand scheme of things.

Yeah it did. It raised the government debt. Great idea: Let's give money away. We don't have to pay for it, do we?

Claydon

09-28-2008, 02:39 PM

eleveneighteen

09-28-2008, 02:47 PM

Obama sounds a whole lot more informed and capable than Sarah Palin...

Joe Biden slips up sometimes, still more smart and capable...

Ted Kennedy is just ripped on Dewars or Jameson, so we don't know what he's saying...

who cares about Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.

Claydon

09-28-2008, 02:57 PM

Joe Biden slips up sometimes, still more smart and capable...

drinking the kool aid again?

Ted Kennedy is just ripped on Dewars or Jameson, so we don't know what he's saying...

You say this like it is a bad thing?

who cares about Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.

The wall st. fucks that will be getting/are getting a 1.2 trillion bail out.

heelsguy

09-28-2008, 02:59 PM

Claydon

09-28-2008, 03:06 PM

also, "Bobble-head Byrd"

You guys are going to shred me for saying this, but I actually find byrd to be riveting/entertaining. Some of his filibusters are legendary.

The Batman

09-28-2008, 03:10 PM

drinking the kool aid again?

Of anyone is drinking the kool aid, its gotta be you if you think this lady is at all worthwhile as a VP.

freegood

09-28-2008, 08:58 PM

Palin shares Obama's stance on attacking Pakistan.

McCain sez nuh-uhh woman. (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/28/mccain-retracts-palins-pakistan-comments/)

The Batman

09-28-2008, 09:06 PM

I guess she isn't squeaky clean.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080928/ap_on_el_pr/palin_ethics_2

Mustard

09-28-2008, 09:08 PM

Palin shares Obama's stance on attacking Pakistan.

McCain sez nuh-uhh woman. (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/28/mccain-retracts-palins-pakistan-comments/)
What Palin said with regards to the question about whether the U.S. should cross the border from Afghanistan into Pakistan:

""If that's what we have to do stop the terrorists from coming any further in, absolutely, we should," Palin said."

What Obama said in Friday's debate:

"If the United States has al Qaeda, bin Laden, top-level lieutenants in our sights, and Pakistan is unable or unwilling to act, then we should take them out."

Regardless of what McCain says, Palin made her point crystal clear. Sarah doesn't need Grandpa John speaking for her, she's her own woman, and she can make up her own mind. Right? So I say good for her, as this might actually be the first time I've read that she's given a no-bs, no-spin answer to pretty much anything. And good for her for more or less supporting Barack Obama's own viewpoint.

Maybe she isn't completely worthless afterall?

freegood

09-28-2008, 09:10 PM

It's obvious they're shutting her up because she loves Obama.
jO6dmBm1SFw

Deadhead Derek

09-29-2008, 12:14 AM

watch for all of the diminished expectation groundwork in the next few days for Palin. they will ignore their own comments of how over the top qualifies palin is, and start with the downs kid for sympathy, and.. I dunno, ..the time difference from alaska to the debate forum or something. or that mccains concerns over the econpomy are weighing on palin. Sommething will hit before the debate.... concern for her kid in iraq...just watch and wait...and mark my words.

and it begins:

In terms of the debate, one Republican strategist isn’t worried. He instead sounds a bit like John Elway right before he marched his team downfield in the legendary football sequence called “The Drive.”
Elway told his teammates before the miracle 98 yard drive to win the game, “We’ve got ‘em right where we want ‘em.” GOP strategist Todd Harris must have been taking notes.
“I think expectations for Palin will be so low on Thursday that it will be difficult for her not to meet them,” Harris said. “And debate performances are not graded in a vacuum. It’s not just how she does, but also how Biden does and how he acts towards her, that makes for the ultimate grade. She could stumble through the entire evening, but if Biden talks down to her, the debate will be a draw.”

Deadhead Derek

09-29-2008, 12:24 AM

Smokestack

09-29-2008, 10:35 AM

just a thought, for all of you who are so fucking loyal to your parties. get a tatoo. a big donkey, or a big elephant, a D or an R, what ever you like. As I have read through all the threads lately, I have seen nothing other than blind Party loyalty, whilst both sides ignore the issues with their own candidates.
I have a simple thought in my voting. there isn't anyone in politics who is clean, everyone of them have lead us, through action or inaction to where we are right now. if an incumbant is a D or an R, I vote opposite. I was an Independent voter, I am now an opposition voter. Fuck them all, fuck the parties, this is our country and they have all fucked it up. Re-elect nobody. And fuck all of your blind bullshit partisan "he did this, yeah, well he did this" grow up, and wise up.

I live in New York and one thing they do here is that they list all Democratic candidates on the ballot under Democrat but also under the Working Families party, which allows you to vote for the candidate more in line with your ideology without voting directly for one of the two parties. It's called "fusion voting" and while once more widespread, only a few states do it now (http://www.workingfamiliesparty.org/fusion.php?show=smenu5)

kareyn01

09-29-2008, 11:19 AM

just a thought, for all of you who are so fucking loyal to your parties. get a tatoo. a big donkey, or a big elephant, a D or an R, what ever you like. As I have read through all the threads lately, I have seen nothing other than blind Party loyalty, whilst both sides ignore the issues with their own candidates.
I have a simple thought in my voting. there isn't anyone in politics who is clean, everyone of them have lead us, through action or inaction to where we are right now. if an incumbant is a D or an R, I vote opposite. I was an Independent voter, I am now an opposition voter. Fuck them all, fuck the parties, this is our country and they have all fucked it up. Re-elect nobody. And fuck all of your blind bullshit partisan "he did this, yeah, well he did this" grow up, and wise up.

That kind of philosophy as just as idiotic as blind partisanship. There are actually some decent people in politics, and to vote against them just for shits and giggles doesn't help the problem. Be informed on the issues, both in terms of policy and each politician personally, and vote based on the best information available to you.

As for me, I think that the bailout is a complete joke, I think that Obama and rest of the Democrats made the wrong decision on FISA and offshore drilling. That doesn't change the fact that I think Obama is a vastly superior pick when compared with John McCain.

Archangel

09-29-2008, 11:25 AM

“I think expectations for Palin will be so low on Thursday that it will be difficult for her not to meet them,” Harris said. “And debate performances are not graded in a vacuum. It’s not just how she does, but also how Biden does and how he acts towards her, that makes for the ultimate grade. She could stumble through the entire evening, but if Biden talks down to her, the debate will be a draw.”
So by that reasoning, they could put a retard on that podium, and if he manages to utter half a coherent sentence, he'll be considered a winner because the expectations were so low?

How the fuck does that make any sense? "Our candidate is so stupid, if she doesn't make a total ass of herself, everybody will consider her the winner"... Jesus Christ.

Archangel

09-29-2008, 11:30 AM

And if the smart guy were to tell the retard, "sorry, but Iraq isn't actually in Africa", he'd be considered patronising and condescending?

American politics: Common sense free since 2000.

The Batman

09-29-2008, 11:31 AM

So by that reasoning, they could put a retard on that podium, and if he manages to utter half a coherent sentence, he'll be considered a winner because the expectations were so low?

How the fuck does that make any sense? "Our candidate is so stupid, if she doesn't make a total ass of herself, everybody will consider her the winner"... Jesus Christ.

I don't think she will be considered the winner of the debate, but if she doesn't fuck it up, then maybe she won't be a COMPLETE LOSER.

What I hate is how the media is now saying Joe Biden should tread carefully not to totally bash this lady because it will make him look bad. I think he should destroy her and debate her like she is a man. Don't give me that sexist bullshit. Ms. Pitt bull should be able to take it.

Smokestack

09-29-2008, 11:43 AM

Nate Silver has some good advice for Biden on the debate:

Memo to Joe Biden: Let Palin Talk (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/memo-to-joe-biden-let-palin-talk.html)

Joe Biden doesn't need to do much in this debate. Everyone, Republicans included, know the guy knows policy detail and foreign relations cold. He really doesn't need to do much to prove he has mastery.

Normally, "time of possession" is a key signifier in football of which team is likeliest to win the game, but in this case the opposite seems true. Think of it -- all anyone cares about in this debate is what Sarah Palin says.

The Republican base wants to hear her because they like her and identify with her -- we've heard this chorus countless times on the road in McCain volunteer offices. She warms Republican base hearts. On the other hand, Democrats believe they're about to witness an epic train wreck. So does the media. The expectations could not possibly be lower for this one.

For those who worry about expectations being so low that she can't help but beat them, that she did well in Alaska debates (by being spunky and bluffing through with gimmicks like patting a "stack of solutions" on health care), consider this: (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/you-dont-say.html)Capitol Hill sources are telling me that senior McCain people
are more than concerned about Palin.

The campaign has held a mock debate and a mock press conference; both are being described as "disastrous." One senior McCain aide was quoted as saying, "What are we going to do?" The McCain people want to move this first debate to some later, undetermined date, possibly never. People on the inside are saying the Alaska Governor is "clueless."Some might be concerned that this is all about purposefully lowering expectations... and then you watch that Couric interview. That was not some gambit, that was real. If this is an elaborate expectations-setting ruse, I'm sure the multiple days of ridicule leading up to the debate aren't worth it.

The inevitability of this is like when Nebraska used to run that option in the mid-90s with Tommie Frazier at QB. You knew exactly what play was coming... and you couldn't stop it.

Only Joe Biden can mess it up... by running up his own time of possession.

Pharon

09-29-2008, 11:55 AM

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Deadhead Derek

09-29-2008, 12:17 PM

That kind of philosophy as just as idiotic as blind partisanship. There are actually some decent people in politics, and to vote against them just for shits and giggles doesn't help the problem. Be informed on the issues, both in terms of policy and each politician personally, and vote based on the best information available to you.

As for me, I think that the bailout is a complete joke, I think that Obama and rest of the Democrats made the wrong decision on FISA and offshore drilling. That doesn't change the fact that I think Obama is a vastly superior pick when compared with John McCain.
If we are where we are, how effective are they. they are handing out a do over to wall street, how about a do over for the federal government. I am tired of he idea of a "short list" existing in politics. we are a nation of 300m and we keep diving into the same pool. This is not to say that those who do run and serve aren't to be commended, but rather that those who don't should be embarrassed. democracy is not a spectators sport. We, as a nation are so mired in partisan bickering, that we lose focus on what our nation can accomplish. That is my frustration right now. Our Nation is in need, like a patient in an ER, but all the docs are off learning from Greys Anatomy...or Doogie Howser....

Archangel

09-29-2008, 12:46 PM

So Biden should just let her dig her own grave, huh. Sounds like a plan.

Pharon

09-29-2008, 12:47 PM

So Biden should just let her dig her own grave, huh. Sounds like a plan.
Her strategy should be the exact same thing. And then we could all sit and watch them on stage in 80 minutes of silence.

kid_vidrio

09-29-2008, 01:01 PM

www.voteforthemilf.com

dadaelus

09-29-2008, 01:01 PM

Nate Silver has some good advice for Biden on the debate:

Memo to Joe Biden: Let Palin Talk (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/memo-to-joe-biden-let-palin-talk.html)
...Capitol Hill sources are telling me that senior McCain people
are more than concerned about Palin.

The campaign has held a mock debate and a mock press conference; both are being described as "disastrous." One senior McCain aide was quoted as saying, "What are we going to do?" The McCain people want to move this first debate to some later, undetermined date, possibly never. People on the inside are saying the Alaska Governor is "clueless."Some might be concerned that this is all about purposefully lowering expectations... and then you watch that Couric interview. That was not some gambit, that was real. If this is an elaborate expectations-setting ruse, I'm sure the multiple days of ridicule leading up to the debate aren't worth it.

The inevitability of this is like when Nebraska used to run that option in the mid-90s with Tommie Frazier at QB. You knew exactly what play was coming... and you couldn't stop it.

Only Joe Biden can mess it up... by running up his own time of possession.

I think in one of the Gore/Bush debates Bush kept finishing well ahead of his clock. For me it was a mixed blessing as I did not hear him go into the level of detail that I wanted but then again I did not hear him try to talk through things that he obviously could not either grasp or articulate.

While I fantasize about the impact of McCain's team just pulling the plug on the debate I cannot see them doing that. I'm probably going to skip this one as it looks to turn out to be either a complete slam, a commercial recitation, or a foot eating contest. I'm sure highlights will be YouTubed.

Lone Wolf

09-29-2008, 07:48 PM

Right now I can't see anyone being comfortable with her being an assistant manager of a Wal Mart let alone VP of the country

heelsguy

09-29-2008, 08:01 PM

i predict Palin will keep Biden on his heels enough to get thru this o.k.. all she has to do is pin biden down on what he, himself said

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THAT is a powerful ad. talk all you want about bridges to nowhere, THAT's damning

Ace Rockola

09-29-2008, 10:06 PM

So Biden should just let her dig her own grave, huh. Sounds like a plan.

Wasn't the essentially the same strategy Kerry had with Bush?

Hobnail_Boot

09-29-2008, 10:16 PM

Wasn't the essentially the same strategy Kerry had with Bush?
The major difference obviously is that Biden isn't at the top of the ticket.

mongo

09-29-2008, 10:18 PM

i don't care if she is vp. that 14 year old of hers is a sexy little number. the more i see of her, the better.

freegood

09-29-2008, 10:20 PM

If she's as picky as her older sister, then you might have a shot Mongo.

mongo

09-29-2008, 10:21 PM

^5!

Pharon

09-30-2008, 08:47 AM

Palin Brushing Up On Foreign Policy At Epcot
September 29, 2008 | Issue 44•40

ORLANDO, FL—Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin sought to silence those who have criticized her lack of foreign affairs experience Tuesday by announcing plans for a weeklong, 10-nation tour of Walt Disney World's Epcot. According to Palin, the trip—her first past Frontierland—will include speaking engagements at Norway's famous Viking ride, sausages at Germany's Kaufhaus, and, time permitting, a fact-finding mission to Future World. "This ambitious trip should finally demonstrate that I am ready to assume the vice presidency, whether by standing in long lines at Morocco's Tangierine Café or by sitting down face-to-face with Mexico's Three Caballeros," Palin announced during a campaign stop outside a Chinese restaurant in Tulsa, OK. "All of our neighbors deserve good diplomacy, from the Universe of Energy down to the French pavilion." Palin also promised a visit to the American Adventure exhibit before returning home, adding that she hoped to learn more about her own nation and the diverse peoples within.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/palin_brushing_up_on

Smokestack

09-30-2008, 09:31 PM

This interview is like the gift that keeps on giving:

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Also, here are some of the questions from the Hugh Hewitt interview:

Governor, your candidacy has ignited extreme hostility, even some hatred on the left and in some parts of the media. Are you surprised?
Now Governor, the Gibson and the Couric interview struck many as sort of pop quizzes designed to embarrass you as opposed to interviews. Do you share that opinion?
Have you followed the attacks on you, say, via Drudge or the blogs? Some of them are just made up and out of left field, others are just mocking. Do you follow those?
Governor, you mentioned the people who are struggling right now. Have you and your husband, Todd, ever faced tough economic times where you had to sit around a kitchen table and make tough choices?
Governor, when you say things are tight right now, is that simply because of Todd being off not working? Or is it because of extraordinary demands on the fiscal resources of the Palin family? What’s the situation there?
Governor, let’s turn to a couple of issues that the MSM’s not going to pick up. You’re pro-life, and how much of the virulent opposition to you on the left do you attribute to your pro-life position, and maybe even to the birth of, your decision, your and Todd’s decision to have Trig?
Do you think the mainstream media and the left understands your religious faith, Governor Palin?
Last question, Governor. Have you and Todd heard from your son? And how is it on your nerves having your son deployed?

Deadhead Derek

09-30-2008, 10:12 PM

Palin Brushing Up On Foreign Policy At Epcot
September 29, 2008 | Issue 44•40

ORLANDO, FL—Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin sought to silence those who have criticized her lack of foreign affairs experience Tuesday by announcing plans for a weeklong, 10-nation tour of Walt Disney World's Epcot. According to Palin, the trip—her first past Frontierland—will include speaking engagements at Norway's famous Viking ride, sausages at Germany's Kaufhaus, and, time permitting, a fact-finding mission to Future World. "This ambitious trip should finally demonstrate that I am ready to assume the vice presidency, whether by standing in long lines at Morocco's Tangierine Café or by sitting down face-to-face with Mexico's Three Caballeros," Palin announced during a campaign stop outside a Chinese restaurant in Tulsa, OK. "All of our neighbors deserve good diplomacy, from the Universe of Energy down to the French pavilion." Palin also promised a visit to the American Adventure exhibit before returning home, adding that she hoped to learn more about her own nation and the diverse peoples within.
That was done by the comedienne from new adventures of old christine on leno

freegood

09-30-2008, 11:00 PM

She couldn't say Google News? Do they have the interw3b in Alaska? She should ask her sugar daddy Ted Stevens on connecting her with a tube from nowhere.

Mr. Brown

09-30-2008, 11:37 PM

Ok I haven't posted in any of the political threads for a while b/c it was getting ridiculously stupid. (not the threads but the actual "news" that was being discussed) I begin to follow the elections again and see that the potential next VP of the United States can't name a single newspaper or magazine that she has read? Game over I'm done some one PM me when this shit is over.

Rover

10-01-2008, 12:13 AM

She's horrible at interviews. She doesn't answer questions. And she doesn't speak in soundbites. But you don't wake up one day and become good at interviews. Unless you're a natural politician. A natural, lying, conniving, misleading, arrogant, asshole politician.

The one thing that pisses me off about her interviews. It's not the content because most political interviews consist of someone blowing smoke up my ass; it's the lack of subject-verb agreement in her answers. She just switch up in midsentences sometimes and it can makes it difficult to understand what she's saying.

As far as the newspapers question goes, a far more acceptable answer to me would have been, "None of them, they're all bastions of failed 60's peace radicals and neoliberals." That's better than "All of them." Because that answer can't possibly be true...and mine probably is. Unless, she meant all of the Alaskan papers. There must be only 2 or 3.

But we'll see what happens at the debate, at worse it's informative and at best it's 90 minutes of me being amused that Palin lacks the ability to speak in sentences with subject-verb agreement.

heelsguy

10-01-2008, 05:50 AM

it's the lack of subject-verb agreement in her answers. She just switch up in midsentences sometimes and it can makes it difficult to understand what she's saying.

yes, I see what you mean. That is difficult to understand

Hobnail_Boot

10-02-2008, 09:56 PM

She didn't lose.

Candycane

10-02-2008, 10:04 PM

Mustard

10-02-2008, 10:05 PM

*fucking

Candycane

10-02-2008, 10:07 PM

*fucking

*I'm a BSG nerd so I've been fraking now.

bpb

10-02-2008, 10:09 PM

Mustard

10-02-2008, 10:10 PM

*I'm a BSG nerd so I've been fraking now.
Hey, I hear ya. Its good to be fraking as much as possible I say.

Lone Wolf

10-02-2008, 10:11 PM

She didn't "lose" because why? She didn't embarrass the shit out her campaign and party? Is that what we're accepting now? "oh she didn't royally fuck it up so job well done 'atta girl"? Negatory, no thanks. We had the debate on at work and all I could hear were the words Energy and Alaska like 50 fraking times.

This was a poorly moderated debate. A WWE ref probably could have done as good a job as Gwen Ifill who apparently took a ref bump early and never fully recovered.

Debo

10-02-2008, 10:13 PM

She didn't "lose" because why? She didn't embarrass the shit out her campaign and party? Is that what we're accepting now? "oh she didn't royally fuck it up so job well done 'atta girl"? Negatory, no thanks. We had the debate on at work and all I could hear were the words Energy and Alaska like 50 fraking times.

Partially, yes. Every politician, well the good ones, spins back to a certain topic regardless of the question. Palin's strength is energy (mostly oil) and her role as an executive in Alaska. Biden did the same thing (mostly highlighting the connection between McCain and Bush).

Hobnail_Boot

10-02-2008, 10:18 PM

All Palin needed to do tonight was not screw it up. You know like "do no harm." She did no harm and if nothing else, "rallied the base" even more. I'm not sure this debate (or any VP debate) will win voters, but she probably didn't lose any either.

Yelram

10-02-2008, 10:45 PM

Deadhead Derek

10-02-2008, 11:54 PM

Partially, yes. Every politician, well the good ones, spins back to a certain topic regardless of the question. Palin's strength is energy (mostly oil) and her role as an executive in Alaska. Biden did the same thing (mostly highlighting the connection between McCain and Bush).
oh come the fuck on, she was a fucking parrot without a single direct answer she didn't accidentally walk into like a locked glass door.

dadaelus

10-03-2008, 12:59 AM

Mustard

10-03-2008, 01:05 AM

I have to admit this admiration of mediocrity is wearing a bit thin.
What are you, some kind of elitist? How dare you expect the best out of people running for public office!

kid_vidrio

10-03-2008, 05:42 AM

She's horrible at interviews. She doesn't answer questions. And she doesn't speak in soundbites. But you don't wake up one day and become good at interviews.
With all due respect, I don't think people can trumpet her 'executive experience' and great success in winning elections and the fact that Alaska is relevant without expecting her to have some savvy with the press. How do you garner all that experience and win all those elections and still be a dilettante unless the pond you're playing in is irrelevant.
Maybe I'm missing something, but it doesn't seem to add up.

Hobnail_Boot

10-03-2008, 06:19 AM

I have to admit this admiration of mediocrity is wearing a bit thin.
Well, it's true. And I'm only making an observation, not "admiring" her at all.

VoxAngelikus

10-03-2008, 09:14 AM

Its nice when you're expecting someone to come off as a total retard, and instead they come off as a yammering, preprogrammed ditz.

Its even better when they're running for vice president!

And shit, man, how many times am I going to have to hear "Maverick" in the next month? I'm a 'maverick'! Me n' mah partner are a coupla reggalur mavericks!

Morfin

10-03-2008, 09:23 AM

And shit, man, how many times am I going to have to hear "Maverick" in the next month? I'm a 'maverick'! Me n' mah partner are a coupla reggalur mavericks!

That was the funniest line in the debate when she said, "John McCain's a maverick and I'm a maverick." Into my head popped, "I'm a pepper, he's a pepper, she's a pepper. Wouldn't you like to be a pepper, too."

VoxAngelikus

10-03-2008, 12:40 PM

Sarah Palin's prior television experience?

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ADD

10-03-2008, 04:17 PM

Her porno's already being cast

http://www.wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=12971

The Batman

10-06-2008, 09:57 AM

Morfin

10-06-2008, 10:11 AM

What's next, will she call him a Muslim?

Desperado

10-06-2008, 10:19 AM

My money is on the N-Bomb!!!

The Batman

10-06-2008, 10:20 AM

My money is on the N-Bomb!!!

That would be awesome. Then we can spank her for using a bad word.

kareyn01

10-06-2008, 11:30 AM

Well she finally said something stupid.
By claiming that Democrat Barack Obama is "palling around with terrorists" and doesn't see the U.S. like other Americans, vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin targeted key goals for a faltering campaign.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081006/ap_on_el_pr/palin_s_words_analysis;_ylt=AlBhJ_xUZoJLZo8iiO3Ksd IEtbAF

The guilt-by-association thing should get interesting, especially since she said Jeremiah Wright should be on the table. The only problem is, McCain said that Wright was "off-limits" back in July. So either he flip-flops and is hit for that, or Palin is seen as running amok, especially when you add the fact that she has come out against McCain pulling out of Michigan.

Quick aside: In her interview with Fox News where they asked her about pulling out of Michigan, she said "I read about that this morning and fired off a quick email saying "Do we really have to?"" Doesn't that say all you need to know about Sarah Palin's role as a prop in the McCain campaign, that she didn't know that her campaign had pulled out of a battleground state until she read it IN THE NEWSPAPER almost 24 hours later?

Pharon

10-06-2008, 01:36 PM

Well she finally said something stupid.
Finally? When has she said anything NOT stupid?

The Batman

10-06-2008, 02:33 PM

Finally? When has she said anything NOT stupid?

Fair point. But, now its a bit racist and republican, so its twice the fun to analyze.

Insomniac

10-07-2008, 01:27 AM

Quick aside: In her interview with Fox News where they asked her about pulling out of Michigan, she said "I read about that this morning and fired off a quick email saying "Do we really have to?"" Doesn't that say all you need to know about Sarah Palin's role as a prop in the McCain campaign, that she didn't know that her campaign had pulled out of a battleground state until she read it IN THE NEWSPAPER almost 24 hours later?

At least she reads the newspaper.

Also, Olbermann got worked up about the whole thing: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/27057346#27057346

Debo

10-07-2008, 06:22 AM

Fuck him. If he wants to pal around with Ayers, the topic is fair game.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/26/obama-associate-bill-ayers-unrepentant-for-acts-of-terror/

Yelram

10-07-2008, 06:51 AM

kid_vidrio

10-07-2008, 06:57 AM

Archangel

10-07-2008, 07:07 AM

It's FOX fucking news. "News about terrorists for those who can't spell 'terrorist'".

Pax Britannia

10-07-2008, 07:10 AM

The way this campaign is going I wonder how Fox will cope with Obama in the white house.

heelsguy

10-07-2008, 07:11 AM

At least she reads the newspaper.

Also, Olbermann got worked up about the whole thing: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/27057346#27057346 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/27057346#27057346)

when does olberman NOT get worked-up every night? i swear it is as if he is angling for a position as obama's press secretary.

and why does MSNBC even need to put up "SPECIAL COMMENT" every night went he rants? he is a basically doing a commentary show, and not a news show

VoxAngelikus

10-07-2008, 09:20 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/opinion/04herbert.html?ex=1380859200&en=810fcfa9af29cbe6&ei=5124&partner=facebook&exprod=facebook

This is an interesting opinion piece... mind you, that is OPINION piece.

Kilgore

10-07-2008, 09:29 AM

He really tore her apart.

Smokestack

10-07-2008, 09:57 AM

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kareyn01

10-07-2008, 10:05 AM

when does olberman NOT get worked-up every night? i swear it is as if he is angling for a position as obama's press secretary.

and why does MSNBC even need to put up "SPECIAL COMMENT" every night went he rants? he is a basically doing a commentary show, and not a news show

Has anyone ever claimed that his show is anything other than commentary?

Morfin

10-07-2008, 10:10 AM

So what if it is opinion?

Too often, opponents try to blow off criticism because, on the left it comes from Olberman, and on the right it comes from Fox. How about we address the substance of Palin's and McCain's attacks about Obama palling around with a domestic terrorist and who is the real Obama? And then compare them to the substance of Olberman's criticism.

His points are valid in this screed. Isn't her connection to the Alaskan Independence Party closer than Obama's to Ayers? Isn't her involvement with the minister the same or worse than Obama's with Wright and/or McCain's with Hagee?

Smokestack

10-07-2008, 10:17 AM

Fuck him. If he wants to pal around with Ayers, the topic is fair game.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/26/obama-associate-bill-ayers-unrepentant-for-acts-of-terror/

Define "pal around" rather that aping a comment from an over-elevated hockey mom. This McCarthyite guilt by association is absolute, desperate horseshit. Obama and Ayers sat on a board dealing with education together, not conspiring to blow shit up. "Pal around"...how fucking stupid.

when does olberman NOT get worked-up every night? i swear it is as if he is angling for a position as obama's press secretary.

and why does MSNBC even need to put up "SPECIAL COMMENT" every night went he rants? he is a basically doing a commentary show, and not a news show

Even as someone sympathetic to Olbermann's views, I have to agree with this. He has no dissenting views on his show. It's over-the-top and blatant at this point. Rachel's Maddow's a better option now because at least she seems to like going toe-to-toe with Pat Buchanan.

heelsguy

10-07-2008, 10:21 AM

So what if it is opinion?

Isn't her involvement with the minister the same or worse than Obama's with Wright and/or McCain's with Hagee?

a visiting minister to the church Palin attends does not equal the "g-d america" rev. wright, who obama has claimed as his minister for 20 years.

Smokestack

10-07-2008, 10:36 AM

a visiting minister to the church Palin attends does not equal the "g-d america" rev. wright, who obama has claimed as his minister for 20 years.

It's hard to say what's better or worse in these cases, but I think the main point is that Palin is flinging stones while residing in a glass house.

As to the whole "God damn America" comment that Wright made, while certainly unsavory, it wasn't a blanket damnation but a damnation of a particular aspect of America. Now, agree or disagree with that sentiment, but the idea that someone who served in the army, served as a physician to one of our presidents, and serves his community is wholly un-American is just false. It takes "God damn America" and facilely assumes it on everything.

Desperado

10-07-2008, 12:17 PM

Fuck him. If he wants to pal around with Ayers, the topic is fair game.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/26/obama-associate-bill-ayers-unrepentant-for-acts-of-terror/

Fair game... like when McCain was criticized by the Committee for exercising "poor judgment" when he met with the federal regulators on Charles Keating's behalf.

kareyn01

10-07-2008, 12:55 PM

a visiting minister to the church Palin attends does not equal the "g-d america" rev. wright, who obama has claimed as his minister for 20 years.

Yes, he was a visiting minister, but she also gave him credit for helping her get elected Governor, so its not like she has tried to distance herself from him in the meantime.

Look, I'm not trying to bring that argument to the table, because I think that her politics and lack of preparedness speak volumes for themselves. I just its hilarious for the Republicans to do everything they can to use guilt-by-association against Obama (tenuous as it might be), and then try and throw any of the same practices out the window when discussing Palin. And its actually worse from the Republican side, because its the candidates themselves that are using those tactics, where on the Democratic side its just the talking heads like Olbermann.

Archangel

10-07-2008, 12:56 PM

Republicans? Hypocrisy? I'll be damned.

Yelram

10-07-2008, 01:42 PM

Fair game... like when McCain was criticized by the Committee for exercising "poor judgment" when he met with the federal regulators on Charles Keating's behalf.

By March 1987, Riegle was telling Gray that "Some senators out west are very concerned about the way the bank board is regulating Lincoln Savings," adding somewhat ominously, "I think you need to meet with the senators. You'll be getting a call."[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five#cite_note-trust-279-9) Keating and DeConcini were asking McCain to travel to San Francisco to meet with regulators regarding Lincoln Savings; McCain refused.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five#cite_note-alex-k5-1-10)[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five#cite_note-az-keating-6) DeConcini told Keating that McCain was nervous about interfering.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five#cite_note-az-keating-6) Keating called McCain a "wimp" behind his back, and on March 24, Keating and McCain had a heated, contentious meeting.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five#cite_note-alex-k5-1-10)
On April 2, 1987, a meeting with chairman Gray of the FHLBB was held in DeConcini's Capitol office, with Senators Cranston, Glenn, and McCain also in attendance.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five#cite_note-az-keating-6) The senators requested that no staff be present.[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five#cite_note-Seidman-11) DeConcini started the meeting with a mention of "our friend at Lincoln."[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five#cite_note-az-keating-6) Gray told the assembled senators that he did not know the particular details of the status of Lincoln Savings and Loan, and that the senators would have to go to the bank regulators in San Francisco that had oversight jurisdiction for the bank. Gray did offer to set up a meeting between those regulators and the senators.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five#cite_note-az-keating-6)
On April 9, 1987, a two-hour meeting[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five#cite_note-nyt-who-3) with three members of the FHLBB San Francisco branch was held, again in DeConcini's office, to discuss the government's investigation of Lincoln.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five#cite_note-alex-k5-1-10)[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five#cite_note-az-keating-6) Present were Cranston, DeConcini, Glenn, McCain, and additionally Riegle.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five#cite_note-az-keating-6) The regulators felt that the meeting was very unusual and that they were being pressured by a united front, as the senators presented their reasons for having the meeting.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five#cite_note-az-keating-6) DeConcini began the meeting by saying, "We wanted to meet with you because we have determined that potential actions of yours could injure a constituent."[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five#cite_note-inside-12) McCain said, "One of our jobs as elected officials is to help constituents in a proper fashion. ACC [American Continental Corporation] is a big employer and important to the local economy. I wouldn't want any special favors for them.... I don't want any part of our conversation to be improper." Glenn said, "To be blunt, you should charge them or get off their backs," while DeConcini said, "What's wrong with this if they're willing to clean up their act? ... It's very unusual for us to have a company that could be put out of business by its regulators."[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five#cite_note-az-keating-6) The regulators then revealed that Lincoln was under criminal investigation on a variety of serious charges, at which point McCain severed all relations with Keating.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five#cite_note-az-keating-6)

Barack hasnt even been around long enough to have a record. All this shows is a further history of Democrats pretending to be tough on regulating banks while the banks are giving them the old reach around.

Morfin

10-07-2008, 01:49 PM

Desperado

10-07-2008, 01:49 PM

The regulators then revealed that Lincoln was under criminal investigation on a variety of serious charges, at which point McCain severed all relations with Keating.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five#cite_note-az-keating-6)

Barack hasnt even been around long enough to have a record. All this shows is a further history of Democrats pretending to be tough on regulating banks while the banks are giving them the old reach around.

You're right... this is being tough.

kareyn01

10-07-2008, 01:51 PM

Barack hasnt even been around long enough to have a record. All this shows is a further history of Democrats pretending to be tough on regulating banks while the banks are giving them the old reach around.

If it is, in fact, a myth that Democrats are for government regulation of the economy, why is it that every Republican candidate in the past twenty years has accused every Democratic candidate of wanting to regulate, while at the same time running as the candidate of the free market, and pledging to remove regulations?

I'm not saying that the Democrats didn't play a large role in the current economic situation, merely that the "Democrats are regulators" myth (as you call it) is being perpetrated by both sides of the aisle.

Desperado

10-07-2008, 01:57 PM

I love this direct quote from McCain....

McCain devoted a chapter to the scandal in his book ``Worth The Fighting For.'' He wrote that his decision to meet with regulators on Keating's behalf was ``the worst mistake of my life'' and that he had learned from the experience.

Morfin

10-07-2008, 01:59 PM

I'm going on my memory here, but wasn't it Clinton and Gore that "froze" regulations in the early 90's? Something like that.

I guess that is the same myth as Republicans are fiscally tight and Democrats are "tax and spend" mavens, yet the only President in the past 28 years to run a surplus was Clinton, a Democrat.

Edit: Sorry, digression. Back to the thread: I don't like Palin. There, back on track.

The Batman

10-07-2008, 02:02 PM

Edit: Sorry, digression. Back to the thread: I don't like Palin. There, back on track.

Me neither!

Yelram

10-07-2008, 02:10 PM

Democrats... And McCain.

Tell me those three regulators were not shitting their respective pants when five, count 'em, five U.S. senators sit down to "talk." Oh, no, sir. We aren't lookin' for any favors for one of our constituents, we, you know, just five of the most powerful people in the country who just happened to be in San Francisco, well, you know, we're just here to tell you we want to make sure you're bein' fair. That's all. Fair.

Fucking slimeballs. Yeah, John, Country First.

What ever happened to "theres nothing wrong with talking"? Its okay to meet with the leader of Iran, but meeting with regulators is somehow treason? Did you not read the rest? The part where the second he found out the criminal charges being brought against them he severed relations.. YOU DIDNT READ THAT DID YOU??

I swear you guys are just completely nuts. I was very much for Obama, you can read back through my posts before the changeover. That was a very uncharacteristic thing for me to do, he's lost me, he is just a LESS qualified DEMOCRAT. I'd rather have fucking Biden in there than him. He's done nothing but show his naivety, and his ability to talk out of both sides of his mouth. What we have now is a far left leaning republican, and a far left leaning democrat. Two stinking piles of shit, but i'll vote for the pile of shit with a record to back it up. Democrats are for regulating whoever they can villify at that point in time, they never do it, but they pretend to be to get the RETARD vote. The people who think that somehow taxing the oil companies will bring down the price of oil. Or that "Cracking down on wallstreet" will fix a problem brought about by government intervention in the first place. The dems are all for lowering regulation on their government subsidized programs, and institutions that have more lobbying power than just about any other form of business within the "free" market (while using your tax dollars to their benefit). All politicians are assholes, the ones who arent get eaten alive.

smahoo

10-07-2008, 02:16 PM

The final nail??? From the Washington Independent....

http://washingtonindependent.com/10732/tax-lawyers-the-palins-owe-thousands[/URL]

On the campaign trail, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin likes to mock Sen. Biden’s comment that “paying higher taxes is patriotic.” (Actually, what Biden said is paying taxes is patriotic, which is another thing entirely.)
Well, a pair of tax lawyers analyzed the Palins’ [URL="http://washingtonindependent.com/10408/whos-a-joe-six-pack"]recently released 2006 and 2007 tax records (http://washingtonindependent.com/10732/tax-lawyers-the-palins-owe-thousands) and found that Palin really doesn’t think paying higher taxes is patriotic. In fact, they say the Palins’ tax returns contain several major errors that saved them from paying thousands of dollars in taxes. From TaxProf Blog: (http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/10/tax-profs-agree.html)
Jack Bogdanski, There’s No Debate: Palins Owe Thousands in Back Taxes (http://bojack.org/2008/10/theres_no_debate_palins_owe_th.html):
There is no serious debate (at least, none that has been brought to our attention) about the fact that at least the amounts paid for the children’s travel — $24,728.83 in 2007, according to the Washington Post — are taxable. The campaign’s tax lawyer has got at least that much of the law, and perhaps more, wrong. … The Palins, who had their tax returns done by HR Block, simply got it wrong. And the fact that the state payroll office got it wrong, too, doesn’t erase the Palins’ unpaid tax liability.
Bryan Camp, A Brief Analysis of Governor Palin’s Tax Returns for 2006 and 2007 (http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1279105):
The release of an opinion letter by attorney Roger M. Olsen dated September 30, 2008, has stirred up the pot once again about the accuracy of Sarah and Todd Palin’s 2006 and 2007 tax returns. Not only that, but Mr. Olsen’s letter raises a couple of new issues.
This paper focuses on five problems: three raised in the tax returns and two new ones raised by Mr. Olsen’s letter. Here’s a summary of the five problems and my conclusions, for those who want to cut to the chase. My analysis will follow.

The Palins did not report as income some $17,000 that Governor Palin’s employer (the State of Alaska) paid her as an “allowance” for her travel. Can they do that? Yes, most likely.
The Palins did not report as income some $43,000 that the State of Alaska paid the Governor as an “allowance” for her husband and children’s travel. Can they do that? No, most likely not.
The Palins deducted $9,000 on their 2007 return, claiming it was a loss from Mr. Palin’s snow machine racing activity. Can they do that? Most likely not, but more info could make the deduction o.k. If any of the above issues goes against the Palins, they then risk getting hit with the section 6662 penalty for “negligence or disregard of rules or regulations.”
Can the Palins avoid the section 6662 negligence penalty by claiming that they reasonably relied either (a) on the W-2’s sent to them by their employer, which did not reflect either the $17,000 or the $43,000, or (b) on their tax return preparer H&R Block, or (c) on Mr. Olsen’s opinion letter dated September 30, 2008? The three reliance defenses are unlikely to succeed, but more info may make the (b) defense a good one.
Does Mr. Olsen have any exposure to sanctions by the IRS because of his letter? I believe Mr. Olsen’s letter probably violates 31 C.F.R. section 10.35. If so, he would be exposed to possible sanctions from the IRS Office of Professional Responsibility.
Bogdanski also found that the state of Alaska violated its own per diem policy (http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/10/alaska-violated.html), for unknown reasons, by not taxing Palin on the $17,000 worth of allowances she took while working in Anchorage and Wasilla.
The verdict?
[T]he Palins should have reported as taxable income, at the very least, the $24,728.83 of travel reimbursements for the children. That income would have been taxable to them at somewhere between 25 and 28 percent,6 and so they are in the hole to the government for more than $6,000, plus interest since at least April 15 at the rate of between 5 and 6 percent a year. They should file an amended return and pay the resulting tax and the interest. And if somebody at the IRS took a good, hard look at the payments for Sarah and Todd, we would bet that there would be some additional tax due there as well.
What’s more, Politico’s Ken Vogel (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14266_Page2.html) noticed the “gifts” section on the Palin’s disclosure statement for the Federal Elections Commission, which covers 2007 and 2008, was left blank — despite the fact that Palin reported receiving more than $25,000 in gifts as governor (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/09/25/ST2008092504011.html).
It looks like the records were released late Friday afternoon for a very good reason.

Rover

10-07-2008, 02:23 PM

I'm going out on a limb and guessing that the McCain campaign had tax lawyers and accountants look over the returns before they were released.

Also, gifts given to a governor during their term do not belong to the governor. They belong to the office and state. Just like gifts given to the President do not belong to him.

smahoo

10-07-2008, 02:25 PM

that may answer one of them, but what about the rest???

Morfin

10-07-2008, 02:51 PM

What ever happened to "theres nothing wrong with talking"? Its okay to meet with the leader of Iran, but meeting with regulators is somehow treason? Did you not read the rest? The part where the second he found out the criminal charges being brought against them he severed relations.. YOU DIDNT READ THAT DID YOU??

I did read it. It does not impress me that, like rats off a sinking ship, the second the whiff of criminal charges came up, everyone scrammed. He may claim, "Oh, boy, once I found out there was a criminal investigation, I did not want to create the appearance of any impropriety." Yet he had no problem "talking with" (I'll say "trying to intimidate") the regulators on behalf of a constituent.

Yelram

10-07-2008, 02:55 PM

I did read it. It does not impress me that, like rats off a sinking ship, the second the whiff of criminal charges came up, everyone scrammed. He may claim, "Oh, boy, once I found out there was a criminal investigation, I did not want to create the appearance of any impropriety." Yet he had no problem "talking with" (I'll say "trying to intimidate") the regulators on behalf of a constituent.
You just dont have any common sense. He didnt want to in the first place, Keating called him a wimp, he finally decides to meet with them, and it confirms his first impression, so he gets the fuck out. If thats not obvious, I dont know what is.

Smokestack

10-07-2008, 03:02 PM

You just dont have any common sense. He didnt want to in the first place, Keating called him a wimp, he finally decides to meet with them, and it confirms his first impression, so he gets the fuck out. If thats not obvious, I dont know what is.

That might be the case, but it seems an odd point to make after harping on Obama's naivete.

smahoo

10-07-2008, 03:07 PM

maybe you should let it die yelram, you're getting pwn3d

Morfin

10-07-2008, 03:07 PM

Look, this doesn't belong in this thread. I believe he tried to bully the regulators on behalf of Keating. I believe he showed incredibly bad judgment.

Returning to this thread, I believe he has again shown incredibly bad judgment in choosing Sarah Palin.

Yelram

10-07-2008, 03:16 PM

maybe you should let it die yelram, you're getting pwn3d

Its interesting when 4 liberals gang up on 1 republican, it doesnt matter how lacking their points are, but rather how many times they can repeat them. The truth is, Sarah Palin is just as qualified as Barack to be president, but you want to pretend that isnt the case.

Desperado

10-07-2008, 03:21 PM

The truth is, Sarah Palin is just as qualified as Barack to be president, but you want to pretend that isnt the case.

I dont believe highly educated people make good representatives

smahoo

10-07-2008, 03:22 PM

Yelram

10-07-2008, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Yelram http://forum.gorillamask.net/images/solido/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?p=128455#post128455)
I dont believe highly educated people make good representatives

And whats your point? Why dont we just take the guy with the highest degree, and just put him as president, there that would fix everything.

Insomniac

10-07-2008, 03:26 PM

Why don't we just take the folksiest, most photogenic person we can find that puts everyone at ease at a barbecue and reminds voters of how he or she is just like them.

Axel

10-07-2008, 03:29 PM

Yelram is here only for the lulz. Not by his own intention, but nevertheless.

Yelram

10-07-2008, 03:29 PM

really, does someone qualified to be president say that a US Senator pals around with terrorists?? does someone qualfied to be president not know what newspapers he/she reads??

dude, i get the going down with your ship, but you're past ridiculous

You are repeating bullshit, and you think the more you repeat it, that it somehow becomes truthful. He has "palled" around with Bill Ayers, and I dont see why calling him out on that is a bad thing. Why "what newspapers" one reads is an important question I will never know. If I said "my local paper" would that be better, or worse than "The NYTIMES"? Its an irrelevant question meant to corner her into an answer that doesnt represent anything useful, but you can keep repeating it.

Desperado

10-07-2008, 03:33 PM

but i'll vote for the pile of shit with a record to back it up.

you act like mccains record is something to be proud of....

* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but has since decided to cozy up to the man (http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/6988.html) who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks. (Indeed, McCain has now hired (http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/18/mccain-falwell-2/) Falwell’s debate coach.)
* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course (http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/6731.html) in February.
* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=1880630&page=1).
* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June, he abandoned (http://www.nysun.com/article/36949) his own legislation.
* McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and a corrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began to reconcile (http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20060320&s=lizza032006) with Norquist.
* McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_03/008343.php).
* McCain gave up on his signature policy issue, campaign-finance reform, and won’t back the same provision he sponsored (http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/8066.html) just a couple of years ago.
* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it (http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/8313.html).
* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15637887/).
* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag (http://mediamatters.org/items/200610310003).
* And now he’s both for and against overturning (http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/19/mccain-abortion/) Roe v. Wade.

Hey but at least he has a record right?

Pax Britannia

10-07-2008, 03:34 PM

Why don't we just take the folksiest, most photogenic person we can find that puts everyone at ease at a barbecue and reminds voters of how he or she is just like them.

Palin?

The Batman

10-07-2008, 04:08 PM

Its interesting when 4 liberals gang up on 1 republican, it doesnt matter how lacking their points are, but rather how many times they can repeat them. The truth is, Sarah Palin is just as qualified as Barack to be president, but you want to pretend that isnt the case.

Let me correct you.
Its interesting when 4 liberals gang up on 1 IDIOT, it doesnt matter how lacking their points are, but rather how many times they can repeat them. The truth is, Sarah Palin is just NOT as qualified as Barack to be president because he has common sense and she obviously doesn't.

Yelram

10-07-2008, 04:10 PM

Let me correct you.
Its interesting when 4 liberals gang up on 1 IDIOT, it doesnt matter how lacking their points are, but rather how many times they can repeat them. The truth is, Sarah Palin is just NOT as qualified as Barack to be president because he has common sense and she obviously doesn't.

Good thing she isnt running for president. Its pretty sad when you have to compare your presidential candidate to the opposing parties VP pick to make a fair comparison. And seriously, you have to be 18 to vote, so even though you vote in the weekly reader poll, it doesnt count, you know that right?

The Batman

10-07-2008, 04:11 PM

And whats your point? Why dont we just take the guy with the highest degree, and just put him as president, there that would fix everything.

See, its not that simple. Just having the highest degree isn't enough to elect someone as president, but it certainly enough to have a little more confidence in their problem solving skills, their analytical skills and their ability to take this country out of the massive hole that has been created. Palin is just not that person. She doesn't have the intelligence, insight, or experience to give people the comfort that she would do a good job as VP.

The Batman

10-07-2008, 04:12 PM

Good thing she isnt running for president. Its pretty sad when you have to compare your presidential candidate to the opposing parties VP pick to make a fair comparison. And seriously, you have to be 18 to vote, so even though you vote in the weekly reader poll, it doesnt count, you know that right?

When your talking about lack of expierence we all know its either about Obama or Palin. The other 2 guys have enough expierence for everyone.

Yelram

10-07-2008, 04:13 PM

See, its not that simple. Just having the highest degree isn't enough to elect someone as president, but it certainly enough to have a little more confidence in their problem solving skills, their analytical skills and their ability to take this country out of the massive hole that has been created. Palin is just not that person. She doesn't have the intelligence, insight, or experience to give people the comfort that she would do a good job as VP.

So lets see, someone who has had NO business experience, BARELY any political experience, and has worked primarily as a COMMUNITY ORGANIZER is supposed to somehow "fix" the country. YOU SIR ARE A FUCKING TOOL.

Archangel

10-07-2008, 04:18 PM

Yeah, Jesus Christ had been in the religion-founding business for 8 legislatures to get the experience to get around to creating Christianity.

LeBron James had to play 4 years in college to get ready to play at a high level in the pros. Mozart had to study music for 20 years before composing Così fan tutte...

The Batman

10-07-2008, 04:28 PM

So lets see, someone who has had NO business experience, BARELY any political experience, and has worked primarily as a COMMUNITY ORGANIZER is supposed to somehow "fix" the country. YOU SIR ARE A FUCKING TOOL.

You said that when we talk about having someone in office with a high degree that it sounds like it can fix everything. I with no specifics, disagreed with your blanket statement and said "Just having the highest degree isn't enough to elect someone as president, but it certainly enough to have a little more confidence in their problem solving skills." So since we are obviously not talking about Obama, you decide again to get away from the point of the argument and go on a rant about Obama not being qualified. (AGAIN. You want to talk about someone who repeats shit….) From what I can read on the THREAD TITLE, this is about Palin, so I brought the point back home as to why people have issue with her. You sir are a Fucking DOUCHEBAG, go choke on a elephants dick.