VP Candidate Palin

[Mustard]

Lets do a little test.

I like chocolate... how does this make you feel?

[Archangel]

Arch defies conventional political labels.

I blame the philosophy degree.

I have a philosphy degree?

Why didn't anyone tell me?

[Pax Britannia]

I have a philosphy degree?

Why didn't anyone tell me?

Isnt that a question you should ask yourself?

(oooh deep)

[Mustard]

Daddy issues?

[Archangel]

My dad actually has a law degree. Passed the bar and everything. I don't hold it against him, though.

[Debo]

Define 'pal around.'
I'm missing the point of your post as supported by the link.

I was in a rush this morning. And here we go:

My thoughts on Ayers:

- He was terrorist from his rage days. Additionally, he was a spoiled rich kid.

- Barack Obama went to Ayers' house to be made as a member of the Hyde Park Liberal Political family. That event was well after Ayers past deeds and before Ayers open reaffirmation of his delight in terrorism as a means to a result. Barack Obama wasn't stupid. He knew damn well who Ayers was and about his past.

- Barack Obama continued to have various associations with William Ayers. As with the initial house warming meeting, nothing wrong here so far. Ayers was ostensibly a long-since repentant former terrorist that realized that working within the system was the appropriate way to effect change.

- William Ayers spoke after 9/11 and maked it abundantly clear that neither is he repentant nor does he reject terrorism and violence as a means to an end.

The problem for Senator Obama, as I see it, is twofold.

1. That William Ayers could so easily air his unrepentant, terrorist views after 911 suggests that they weren't exactly latent views, bottled up inside Ayers until he could no longer contain them. What that guy was willing to air was something he town-squared and coffee-shopped many, many times prior to opening his mouth publically. To think that Barack Obama had not heard Ayers views prior to there being aired is not believable.

2. Regardless, after Ayers shot off his mouth was the opportunity for Barack Obama to denounce the comments and distance himself from his political ally. Alas, Senator Obama is too alike Adlai III and tidies the messes as they become known.

[Desperado]

I was in a rush this morning. And here we go:

My thoughts on Ayers.


Fact Check: Is Obama 'palling around with terrorists'? (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/05/fact-check-is-obama-palling-around-with-terrorists/)
Posted: 09:00 AM ET
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/10/05/art.palinpal1005.gi.jpg Gov. Palin commented about Sen. Obama and William Ayers at a rally in Carson, California Saturday.

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/corner_wire_BL.gif

The Statement: Republican vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin said Saturday, October 4, that Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama is "someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."
Watch: Is Obama a terrorist's pal? (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/10/05/levs.palin.fact.check.cnn)
Get the facts!

The Facts: In making the charge at a fund-raising event in Englewood, Colorado, and a rally in Carson, California, Palin was referring at least in part to William Ayers, a 1960s radical. In both appearances, Palin cited a front-page article in Saturday's New York Times detailing the working relationship between Obama and Ayers.
In the 1960s, Ayers was a founding member of the radical Weather Underground group that carried out a string of bombings of federal buildings, including the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol, in protest against the Vietnam War. The now-defunct group was labeled a "domestic terrorist group" by the FBI, and Ayers and his wife, Bernadine Dohrn — also a Weather Underground member — spent 10 years as fugitives in the 1970s. Federal charges against them were dropped due to FBI misconduct in gathering evidence against them, and they resurfaced in 1980. Both Ayers and Dohrn ultimately became university professors in Chicago, with Ayers, 63, now an education professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.
Obama's Chicago home is in the same neighborhood where Ayers and Dohrn live. Beginning in 1995, Ayers and Obama worked with the non-profit Chicago Annenberg Challenge on a huge school improvement project. The Annenberg Challenge was for cities to compete for $50 million grants to improve public education. Ayers fought to bring the grant to Chicago, and Obama was recruited onto the board. Also from 1999 through 2001 both were board members on the Woods Fund, a charitable foundation that gave money to various causes, including the Trinity United Church that Obama attended and Northwestern University Law Schools' Children and Family Justice Center, where Dohrn worked.
CNN's review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the volunteer projects in which the two men were involved.
Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt told CNN that after meeting Obama through the Annenberg project, Ayers hosted a campaign event for him that same year when then-Illinois state Sen. Alice Palmer, who planned to run for Congress, introduced the young community organizer as her chosen successor. LaBolt also said the two have not spoken by phone or exchanged e-mail messages since Obama came to the U.S. Senate in 2005 and last met more than a year ago when they encountered each other on the street in their Hyde Park neighborhood.
The extent of Obama's relationship with Ayers came up during the Democratic presidential primaries earlier this year, and Obama explained it by saying, "This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood … the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago — when I was 8 years old — somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense."
The McCain campaign did not respond Saturday to a request for elaboration on Palin's use of the plural "terrorists."
Verdict: False. There is no indication that Ayers and Obama are now "palling around," or that they have had an ongoing relationship in the past three years. Also, there is nothing to suggest that Ayers is now involved in terrorist activity or that other Obama associates are.

[Archangel]

Get the facts!

You lost'em right there.

[Debo]

You lost'em right there.
Please.

If my time frame was limited to three years then it would be false.

From the link:

Verdict: False. There is no indication that Ayers and Obama are now "palling around," or that they have had an ongoing relationship in the past three years. Also, there is nothing to suggest that Ayers is now involved in terrorist activity or that other Obama associates are.Hey, he hasn't tried to blow anything up in years. It was all a phase that he went through, but now he is over it.

Please. If McCain used to kick it with E.L.F. the media would eat him alive.

Edit: I took out McVeigh and added in E.L.F. since McVeigh actually killed people but, to my knowledge, E.L.F. hasn't.

[Desperado]

ummm take a look at the election 2008 thread... new mccain story there.

[Mustard]

Both Ayers and Dohrn ultimately became university professors in Chicago, with Ayers, 63, now an education professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

Well shit... I guess that means (by guilt of association) that the entire University of Illinois is "pallin' around with ter'rists".

What is next? Obama watched and enjoyed Ghostbusters so clearly he wants the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man to destroy NYC?

[Nosebuckle]

Well at least we can take a bit of comfort in the fact that a President hasn't died of natural causes in office in 64 years. I don't want a hockey mom, soccer mom, an unqualified mom in Oval Office.

[BIG PIZZLE]

So I heard that Palin hates jews. She may not be so bad after all.

[Axel]

A Photo Safari of Wasilla, Alaska - Home of Sarah Palin. (http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/a-photo-safari-of-wasilla-alaska-home-of-sarah-palin/)

http://mudflats.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/valley-511.jpg

http://mudflats.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/valley-54.jpg

http://mudflats.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/city-hall.jpg

[vasili denisov]

http://mudflats.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/valley-511.jpg

Between "Mamma Mia", "Babylon AD", and crystal meth, I'd end up looking worse than Amy Winehouse. Watching a lot of Abba-themed cinema does that to a person.

[Archangel]

Personally, I'm surprised that those people can spell.

[Smokestack]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/us/politics/08palin.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin

Ms. Palin appeared relieved at her exuberant reception. “It’s really great to be around friendly crowds,” she said at a fund-raiser in Boca Raton on Monday evening. “Boy, you guys just get it!”

Yikes.

[Morfin]

The second paragraph of Smokestack's cited article:

Standing before a sea of red T-shirts and homemade signs reading “No Communists!” and “Palin’s Pitbulls,” Ms. Palin on Tuesday nestled in to her Republican base.

What? Did they have these signs in their basements since the 60's?

[atoms]

Fact Check: Is Obama 'palling around with terrorists'? (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/05/fact-check-is-obama-palling-around-with-terrorists/)
Posted: 09:00 AM ET
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/10/05/art.palinpal1005.gi.jpg Gov. Palin commented about Sen. Obama and William Ayers at a rally in Carson, California Saturday.

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/corner_wire_BL.gif

The Statement: Republican vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin said Saturday, October 4, that Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama is "someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."
Watch: Is Obama a terrorist's pal? (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/10/05/levs.palin.fact.check.cnn)
Get the facts!

The Facts: In making the charge at a fund-raising event in Englewood, Colorado, and a rally in Carson, California, Palin was referring at least in part to William Ayers, a 1960s radical. In both appearances, Palin cited a front-page article in Saturday's New York Times detailing the working relationship between Obama and Ayers.
In the 1960s, Ayers was a founding member of the radical Weather Underground group that carried out a string of bombings of federal buildings, including the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol, in protest against the Vietnam War. The now-defunct group was labeled a "domestic terrorist group" by the FBI, and Ayers and his wife, Bernadine Dohrn — also a Weather Underground member — spent 10 years as fugitives in the 1970s. Federal charges against them were dropped due to FBI misconduct in gathering evidence against them, and they resurfaced in 1980. Both Ayers and Dohrn ultimately became university professors in Chicago, with Ayers, 63, now an education professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.
Obama's Chicago home is in the same neighborhood where Ayers and Dohrn live. Beginning in 1995, Ayers and Obama worked with the non-profit Chicago Annenberg Challenge on a huge school improvement project. The Annenberg Challenge was for cities to compete for $50 million grants to improve public education. Ayers fought to bring the grant to Chicago, and Obama was recruited onto the board. Also from 1999 through 2001 both were board members on the Woods Fund, a charitable foundation that gave money to various causes, including the Trinity United Church that Obama attended and Northwestern University Law Schools' Children and Family Justice Center, where Dohrn worked.
CNN's review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the volunteer projects in which the two men were involved.
Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt told CNN that after meeting Obama through the Annenberg project, Ayers hosted a campaign event for him that same year when then-Illinois state Sen. Alice Palmer, who planned to run for Congress, introduced the young community organizer as her chosen successor. LaBolt also said the two have not spoken by phone or exchanged e-mail messages since Obama came to the U.S. Senate in 2005 and last met more than a year ago when they encountered each other on the street in their Hyde Park neighborhood.
The extent of Obama's relationship with Ayers came up during the Democratic presidential primaries earlier this year, and Obama explained it by saying, "This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood … the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago — when I was 8 years old — somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense."
The McCain campaign did not respond Saturday to a request for elaboration on Palin's use of the plural "terrorists."
Verdict: False. There is no indication that Ayers and Obama are now "palling around," or that they have had an ongoing relationship in the past three years. Also, there is nothing to suggest that Ayers is now involved in terrorist activity or that other Obama associates are.


Is anyone disturbed that Ayers and his wife could be fugitives, then the FBI realizes it fucked up, so come on out of hiding. Something far more serious there than the man being an acquaintance of Senator Obama. I mean, what he did is not serious enough for him to be arrested (which I don't buy), but it is serious enough to impeach an acquaintance....c'mon.

[Gary_Busey]

I couldn't put it any better.

L8__aXxXPVc

[Smokestack]

Friedman today (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/opinion/08friedman.html?hp)

Palin’s Kind of Patriotism

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/thomaslfriedman/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
Criticizing Sarah Palin is truly shooting fish in a barrel. But given the huge attention she is getting, you can’t just ignore what she has to say. And there was one thing she said in the debate with Joe Biden that really sticks in my craw. It was when she turned to Biden and declared: “You said recently that higher taxes or asking for higher taxes or paying higher taxes is patriotic. In the middle class of America, which is where Todd and I have been all of our lives, that’s not patriotic.”
What an awful statement. Palin defended the government’s $700 billion rescue plan. She defended the surge in Iraq, where her own son is now serving. She defended sending more troops to Afghanistan. And yet, at the same time, she declared that Americans who pay their fair share of taxes to support all those government-led endeavors should not be considered patriotic.
I only wish she had been asked: “Governor Palin, if paying taxes is not considered patriotic in your neighborhood, who is going to pay for the body armor that will protect your son in Iraq? Who is going to pay for the bailout you endorsed? If it isn’t from tax revenues, there are only two ways to pay for those big projects — printing more money or borrowing more money. Do you think borrowing money from China is more patriotic than raising it in taxes from Americans?” That is not putting America first. That is selling America first.
Sorry, I grew up in a very middle-class family in a very middle-class suburb of Minneapolis, and my parents taught me that paying taxes, while certainly no fun, was how we paid for the police and the Army, our public universities and local schools, scientific research and Medicare for the elderly. No one said it better than Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes: “I like paying taxes. With them I buy civilization.”
I can understand someone saying that the government has no business bailing out the financial system, but I can’t understand someone arguing that we should do that but not pay for it with taxes. I can understand someone saying we have no business in Iraq, but I can’t understand someone who advocates staying in Iraq until “victory” declaring that paying taxes to fund that is not patriotic.
How in the world can conservative commentators write with a straight face that this woman should be vice president of the United States? Do these people understand what serious trouble our country is in right now?
We are in the middle of an economic perfect storm, and we don’t know how much worse it’s going to get. People all over the world are hoarding cash, and no bank feels that it can fully trust anyone it is doing business with anywhere in the world. Did you notice that the government of Iceland just seized the country’s second-largest bank and today is begging Russia for a $5 billion loan to stave off “national bankruptcy.” What does that say? It tells you that financial globalization has gone so much farther and faster than regulatory institutions could govern it. Our crisis could bankrupt Iceland! Who knew?
And we have not yet even felt the full economic brunt here. I fear we may be at that moment just before the tsunami hits — when the birds take flight and the insects stop chirping because their acute senses can feel what is coming before humans can. At this moment, only good governance can save us. I am not sure that this crisis will end without every government in every major economy guaranteeing the creditworthiness of every financial institution it regulates. That may be the only way to get lending going again. Organizing something that big and complex will take some really smart governance and seasoned leadership.
Whether or not I agree with John McCain, he is of presidential timber. But putting the country in the position where a total novice like Sarah Palin could be asked to steer us through possibly the most serious economic crisis of our lives is flat out reckless. It is the opposite of conservative.
And please don’t tell me she will hire smart advisers. What happens when her two smartest advisers disagree?
And please also don’t tell me she is an “energy expert.” She is an energy expert exactly the same way the king of Saudi Arabia is an energy expert — by accident of residence. Palin happens to be governor of the Saudi Arabia of America — Alaska — and the only energy expertise she has is the same as the king of Saudi Arabia’s. It’s about how the windfall profits from the oil in their respective kingdoms should be divided between the oil companies and the people.
At least the king of Saudi Arabia, in advocating “drill baby drill,” is serving his country’s interests — by prolonging America’s dependence on oil. My problem with Palin is that she is also serving his country’s interests — by prolonging America’s dependence on oil. That’s not patriotic. Patriotic is offering a plan to build our economy — not by tax cuts or punching more holes in the ground, but by empowering more Americans to work in productive and innovative jobs. If Palin has that kind of a plan, I haven’t heard it.

[Insomniac]

Reality has a clear liberal bias.

OqZJ7v4XIFk

[Smokestack]

David Brooks on Palin (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/08/david-brooks-sarah-palin_n_133001.html):

"[Sarah Palin] represents a fatal cancer to the Republican party. When I first started in journalism, I worked at the National Review for Bill Buckley. And Buckley famously said he'd rather be ruled by the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone book than by the Harvard faculty. But he didn't think those were the only two options. He thought it was important to have people on the conservative side who celebrated ideas, who celebrated learning. And his whole life was based on that, and that was also true for a lot of the other conservatives in the Reagan era. Reagan had an immense faith in the power of ideas. But there has been a counter, more populist tradition, which is not only to scorn liberal ideas but to scorn ideas entirely. And I'm afraid that Sarah Palin has those prejudices. I think President Bush has those prejudices."

[vasili denisov]

Best profile I've come across. (http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=8c130fe3-adab-4cb3-8443-c363f085cf13)


Like most high schools, Wasilla had several distinct subcultures--among them, a religious/jock clique, of which Palin was a part, and a group of more bookish kids that took AP classes and studied theater. "We were considered the geekier, nerdy kids. We were smarter," recalls Elle Ede, another classmate. And yet Palin didn't lack for academic ambition. Rodger Foreman, one of her English teachers, would allow students to appeal their exam grades if they felt they'd been scored harshly. Foreman recalls that Palin regularly availed herself of the appeals process. "She was kind of like that. She thought she was right."

[Axel]

Basically there's nothing overly wrong with Sarah Plain*; the idea that any single person could rally the GOP fundamental base and attract disappointed Hillary’s female supporters at the same time was fundamentally hilarious.

*It was a damn spellchecker, not me, I swear

[Pollo]

for those interested, Sarah Palin will be interviewed by Greta Van Susteren on On the Record (following Hannity & Colmes) in about less than 2 hours on Fox News.

[hatepoppy]

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pretty plain newsdouches talking about tina fey. UNTIL! some fuckin guy decided he wanted to make his own HORRIBLE obama jokes in retaliation.

fuck politics, this guy is fuckin hilarious. about 3:55 it gets golden.

[Genius]

Question. When McCain loses (which is imminent at this point) will she just go away? Back to Alaska? Or will she capitalize on her fame? Or become...wait for it...a focal point of the Republican Party for years...giggle...to come?

[Titus_Pullo]

I wouldn't be so quick with that Imminent.

[hatepoppy]

yeah, imminent is not the best word. probable, perhaps.

but im of the opinion that while the educated and 'urban' (read: donnie darko) masses in cities and colleges aare overwhelmingly going to turn out for obama,
it's that retarded, fat, white, christ-blowing, twizzler-eating nascar fan silent majority im worried about.

[Genius]

Ok, look past my hopeful vocab and focus on the question. What does the future hold for this bitch should she lose tragically?

[hatepoppy]

Ok, look past my hopeful vocab and focus on the question. What does the future hold for this bitch should she lose tragically?
seppukku?

can she see japan from her house?

[Titus_Pullo]

Well Geraldine Ferraro did a Pepsi commercial.

[hatepoppy]

what the fuck is a ferraro?

[Titus_Pullo]

She was a beloved VP Candidate. (http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php?year=1984&off=0)

Well, beloved in Minnesota. By .18 %.

[Titus_Pullo]

I think she is way hotter than Tina Fey. And no facial scars.

[hatepoppy]

'fucks wrong with facial scars.

[hatepoppy]

funny. palin being concerned about obama's judgement based on who he associated with.

kindof like the way i feel about mccain for picking her in the first damn place.

[Titus_Pullo]

Shhh. Goat might start posting pics of scarred naked women.

[hatepoppy]

point being?

[Titus_Pullo]

Ahhh. Never took you for the cut up fetish type.

[hatepoppy]

heh im the fucked up type.

i just dont give enough of a shit about attention to resort to message board sensationalism (i.e. gotez).

as an admin, keep an eye out for the scat-filled reps i fling at roym from time to time. thats about as overtly disturbed as i get.

[Archangel]

Reality has a clear liberal bias.

OqZJ7v4XIFk

Who needs SNL spoofs when the Republicans themselves provide all the comedy?

And people actually watch that fucking channel for information?


it's that retarded, fat, white, christ-blowing, twizzler-eating nascar fan silent majority im worried about.

The rest of the world has been terrified of them for quite some time now. The only difference between them and Zimbabwe is that they get to decide who runs the most powerful country in the world.

[Axel]

http://www.hecklerspray.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/chris-crocker.jpg

OH DEAR GOD, LEAVE HER ALONE!

[Morfin]

Reality has a clear liberal bias.

OqZJ7v4XIFk

This is unbelievable. Talk about damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you touch it up to much, you get criticized, touch it up too little, you get criticized. These are these same idiots who got so incensed about the OJ mugshot TIME cover because it was darkened which played into the ooohh scary, dangerous black man myth. Give me a break.

Plus, PEOPLE, IT IS A NEWS MAGAZINE!

Putting that aside, I am sick of people becoming "incensed" at every little thing. I would like to hear one person seriously tell me that they are voting for Obama because OMG Sarah Palin has facial hair.

[Smokestack]

Any guesses why? (http://www.observer.com/2008/media/hugh-hewitts-how-sarah-palin-won-election-and-saved-america-does-not-yet-have-publisher):

Hugh Hewitt's How Sarah Palin Won the Election ... and Saved America Does Not As Yet Have a Publisher

by Leon Neyfakh (http://www.observer.com/BookNews) | October 8, 2008
http://www.observer.com/files/imagecache/article/files/palin2100808.jpgGetty Images
Palin


In the paper today (http://www.observer.com/2008/media/frenzy-making-president-2008) we talked to some publishing people about why more reporters out on the campaign trail aren't working on books about the election—and why the handful who are doing it think it's a good idea. One campaign book that has already bitten the dust is right-wing radio host Hugh Hewitt's How Sarah Palin Won the Election ... and Saved America, which the literary agent Curtis Yates sent to publishers in New York last week.
When Media Mob reached Mr. Yates by phone on Monday, he'd already given up on trying to sell the book.
"The idea was to tell the story behind the effect that Sarah Palin has had on this election and how it is and why it is that she has basically turned the election around for McCain and why it is that she is resonating with so many people in the country," he said. "The intent was to finish the book by a week after the election, and to have it out before the inauguration."
Was that the plan regardless of who won?
"The book obviously presumed [a McCain-Palin victory]," Mr. Yates said, "but the theory was that her impact on this election will have a lasting effect regardless—that she's not gonna go anywhere, that she's just gonna be a figure in G.O.P. politics going forward."
The title of the book, Mr. Yates said, "went through a couple of different iterations."
At one point it was How Sarah Palin Won the Election. At another point it was How Sarah Palin Won the Election ... and Saved America.
"If they were to lose the election it would have just been How Sarah Palin Saved America," Mr. Yates said. "We were trying to cover our bases depending on what may happen."
Mr. Yates added that though the proposal is dead in the water for now, things may yet change.
"A lot of it depends on what happens and how things unfold in the next four weeks," he said. "If her role turns out to be as pivotal as it has been up to now, we'll see."

[Morfin]

http://www.observer.com/files/imagecache/article/files/palin2100808.jpg

It appears the heel of her right hand is bruised and has a bandage on it. I heard that this was from her hitting her husband for his statement on the Troopergate issue. It's not a rumor. It's a fact. And I am starting this fact spreading right here and now. She's bad, I tell ya'.

[eleveneighteen]

It appears the heel of her right hand is bruised and has a bandage on it. I heard that this was from her hitting her husband for his statement on the Troopergate issue. It's not a rumor. It's a fact. And I am starting this fact spreading right here and now. She's bad, I tell ya'.

Heard her hand got slammed in Alaska's cookie jar.

[Mustard]

I'd like to slam my hand in her cookie jar.

[Aegis]

Heard her hand got slammed in Alaska's cookie jar.


Actually, McCain took her from behind on some gravel road.

[smahoo]

not true, he cant lift his arms high enough to put his cock into anything

[fuldstændigamok]

I couldn't put it any better.

L8__aXxXPVc

Me neither. But then again, my english is much worse than yours, though Im happy to finally found someone who makes even less sense than me when trying to speak english.

[freegood]

Oh no she di'int
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/1920557/
"It is good to be visiting here in Alaska's little sister state Texas," the Republican vice presidential candidate told more than 1,000 people at a fundraiser at the Fairmont hotel.

[smahoo]

moron isn't descriptive enough for her but its the one that comes to mind

[Kerjack]

And MT is the smarter more handsome big brother.

[Axel]

Can it get any more creepy / retarded than that:

Sarah Palin Facts (http://www.palinfacts.com/)

Order your Special Palin Debate T-Shirt: A Brain Three Times the Size! It’s Science! (http://www.palinfacts.com/?p=117)

Little Known Facts About the Alaska Governor (http://www.palinfacts.com/?paged=3)




Sarah Palin’s presence in the lower 48 means the Arctic ice cap can finally return.
The Russians sold Alaska to America because Sarah Palin would not submit to autocracy.
Sarah Palin could not find a good man, so her husband was constructed from the DNA of Washington, Lee, and Genghis Khan.
Sarah Palin's brain is three times the size of Joe Biden's. It's science.
Sarah Palin’s suit is made from 100% dead liberal skin.
Sarah Palin wears three quarter length sleeves to keep from getting blood on her clothes when she kills liberals

[Archangel]

It's all true, and it's all useless.


Mrs Palin could state on live TV that the USA are a part of the Australian continent, that black people are genetically inferior to mice, that the US has a quadrillion dollar trade surplus, that the 9/11 airliners took off from Baghdad international airport, that it's the lib'rals' fault that every American doesn't live in a floating palace, and that she plans to personally murder every man, woman, and child of Middle Eastern descent, and the usual redneck/red-state retards would still support her because she's one of them. They simply don't fucking care. In their minds, loving their bastard version of Jesus, shooting guns and saying that the other guy will raise your taxes is all the qualification anyone needs.

And FOX News would still call her the winner of a debate.


CAVEAT: I am obviously NOT talking about a majority of the American people here. Put the guns down.

[Desperado]

Ouch...


Alaska Supreme Court won't halt Palin probe (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/09/alaska-supreme-court-wont-halt-palin-probe/)
Posted: 05:16 PM ET
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (CNN) – An investigation into Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's firing of her public safety commissioner can proceed, Alaska's Supreme Court ruled Thursday, clearing the way for a Friday report to the state Legislature on the issue.
The justices rejected an effort to halt the probe by the Republican vice presidential nominee's allies in the Legislature, who called the investigation an attempt by partisan Democrats to sabotage the GOP ticket.
The justices unanimously upheld an Anchorage judge's ruling last week that dismissed the Republican lawsuit and upheld subpoenas for top Palin allies.

[Archangel]

I'm guessing that Sen McCain is cursing the day that this seemed like a good idea.

[eleveneighteen]

not true, he cant lift his arms high enough to put his cock into anything

HA!! But if he was hitting it from behind his arms go just high enough.

...anyway he was probably banging Romney or Lieberman.

[Insomniac]

I'm guessing that Sen McCain is cursing the day that this seemed like a good idea.

If it weren't for the financial crisis, it would still be a good idea. As long as the issue was experience, Obama was losing the issue because it was Palin vs. Obama, and McCain was presumed competent, just possibly unhealthy.

[Archangel]

Thank God for the financial crisis, then.

[Pax Britannia]

Actually, McCain took her from behind on some gravel road.

Worse

http://forum.gorillamask.net/showpost.php?p=164466&postcount=88

[Smokestack]

TxL7MKsGoPo

[smahoo]

found this on a website, McCain's website to be precise

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/05/IN7D137S1V.DTL

way to prop up your running mate Johnny boy

EDIT: here's the link from McCain's site to the article referenced

http://www.johnmccain.com/informing/news/newsreleases/0e01e81c-9708-4f9e-a807-d42baa8f0bd8.htm

[freegood]

As governor, Palin at times bonds church and state (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081011/ap_on_el_pr/palin_church_and_state&printer=1;_ylt=A9G_Rmesd_FIPhwA.yNh24cA)

By GARANCE BURKE, Associated Press WriterSat Oct 11, 12:59 PM ET

The camera closes in on Sarah Palin speaking to young missionaries, vowing from the pulpit to do her part to implement God's will from the governor's office.

What she didn't tell worshippers gathered at the Wasilla Assembly of God church in her hometown was that her appearance that day came courtesy of Alaskan taxpayers, who picked up the $639.50 tab for her airplane tickets and per diem fees.

An Associated Press review of the Republican vice presidential candidate's record as mayor and governor reveals her use of elected office to promote religious causes, sometimes at taxpayer expense and in ways that blur the line between church and state.

Since she took state office in late 2006, the governor and her family have spent more than $13,000 in taxpayer funds to attend at least 10 religious events and meetings with Christian pastors, including Franklin Graham, the son of evangelical preacher Billy Graham, records show.

Palin was baptized Roman Catholic as a newborn and baptized again in a Pentecostal Assemblies of God church when she was a teenager. She has worshipped at a nondenominational Bible church since 2002, opposes abortion even in cases of rape and incest and supports classroom discussions about creationism.

Since she was named as John McCain's running mate, Palin's deep faith and support for traditional moral values have rallied conservative voters who initially appeared reluctant to back his campaign.

On a weekend trip from the capital in June, a minister from the Wasilla Assembly of God blessed Palin and Lt. Gov Sean Parnell before a crowd gathered for the "One Lord Sunday" event at the town's hockey rink. Later in the day, she addressed the budding missionaries at her former church.

"As I'm doing my job, let's strike this deal. Your job is going be to be out there, reaching the people — (the) hurting people — throughout Alaska," she told students graduating from the church's Masters Commission program. "We can work together to make sure God's will be done here."

A spokeswoman for the McCain-Palin campaign, Maria Comella, said the state paid for Palin's travel and meals on that trip, and for other meetings with Christian groups, because she and her family were invited in their official capacity as Alaska's first family. Parnell did not charge the state a per diem or ask to be reimbursed for travel expenses that day.

"I understand the per diem policy is, I can claim it if I am away from my residence for 12 hours or more. And Anchorage is where my residence is and I'm based from. And this trip took about four hours of driving time and time at the event, so I did not claim per diem for this one," Parnell told the AP.

Palin and her family billed the state $3,022 for the cost of attending Christian gatherings exclusively, including visits to the Assembly of God here and to the congregation they attend in Juneau, according to expense reports reviewed by the AP.

Experts say those trips fall into an ethically gray area, since Democrats and Republicans alike often visit religious venues for personal and official reasons.

J. Brent Walker, who runs a Washington, D.C.-based group that advocates for church-state separation, said based on a reporter's account, Palin's June excursion raised questions.

"Politicians are entitled to freely exercise their religion while in office, but ethically if not legally that part of her trip ought to not be charged to taxpayers," said Walker, executive director of the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty. "It's still fundamentally a religious and spiritual experience she is having."

The Palins billed the state an additional $10,094 in expenses for other multi-day trips that included worship services or religiously themed events, but also involved substantial state business, including the governor's inaugural ball and an oil and gas conference in New Orleans.

Palin also submitted $998 in expenses for a June trip to Anchorage that included a bill signing at Congregation Beth Shalom synagogue, the only non-Christian house of worship she has visited since taking office, according to the McCain campaign.

In response to an AP request, Comella provided a list showing that since January 2007 the governor had attended 25 "faith-based events," including funerals and community meetings held at churches. Many did not appear on the governor's schedule or her travel records.

Palin has said publicly her personal opinions don't "bleed on over into policies."

Still, after the AP reported the governor had accepted tainted donations during her 2006 campaign, she announced she would donate the $2,100 to three charities, including an Anchorage nonprofit aimed at "sharing God's love" to dissuade young women from having abortions.

An AP review of her time as mayor, from late 1996 to 2002, also reveals a commingling of church and state.

Records of her mayoral correspondence show that Palin worked arduously to organize a day of prayer at city hall. She said that with local ministers' help, Wasilla — a city of 7,000 an hour's drive north of Anchorage — could become "a light, or a refuge for others in Alaska and America."

"What a blessing that the Lord has already put into place the Christian leaders, even though I know it's all through the grace of God," she wrote in March 2000 to her former pastor. She thanked him for the loan of a video featuring a Kenyan preacher who later would pray for her protection from witchcraft as she sought higher office.

In that same period, she also joined a grass-roots, faith-based movement to stop the local hospital from performing abortions, a fight that ultimately lost before the Alaska Supreme Court.

Palin's former church and other evangelical denominations were instrumental in ousting members of Valley Hospital's board who supported abortion rights — including the governor's mother-in-law, Faye Palin.

Alaska Right to Life Director Karen Lewis, who led the campaign, said Palin wasn't a leader in the movement initially. But by 1997, after she had been elected mayor, Palin joined a hospital board to make sure the abortion ban held while the courts considered whether the ban was legal, Lewis said.

"We kept pro-life people like Sarah on the association board to ensure children of the womb would be protected," Lewis said. "She's made up of this great fiber of high morals and godly character, and yet she's fearless. She's someone you can depend on to carry the water."

In November 2007, the Alaska Supreme Court ruled that because the hospital received more than $10 million in public funds it was "quasi-public" and couldn't forbid legal abortions.

Comella said Palin joined the hospital's broader association in the mid-1990s. Records show she was elected to the nonprofit's board in 2000.

Ties among those active at the time still run deep: In November, Palin was a keynote speaker at Lewis' "Proudly Pro-Life Dinner" in Anchorage, and the governor billed taxpayers a $60 per diem fee for her work that day.

Palin also is one of just two governors who channeled federal money to support religious groups through a state agency, Alaska's Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives. Palin has made it a priority to unite faith communities, local nonprofits and government to serve the needy, bringing her high marks — and $500,000 — from the Bush administration.

In fiscal year 2008, Alaska was one of only four states to receive $500,000 in federal grant money from the national initiative.

"The governor has a healthy appreciation for faith-based groups that serve Alaskans in need," said Jay Hein, who until recently directed national faith-based initiatives at the White House. "The grant speaks to their organizational strength, and the dynamism of Alaska's operation."

Several Catholic and Christian charities received funding, including $20,000 for a Fairbanks homeless shelter that views itself as a "stable door of evangelism and Christian service" and $36,000 for a drop-in center at an Anchorage mall that seeks to demonstrate "the unconditional love of Jesus to teenagers."

The state ensures all faith-based groups keep a strict separation between their work in the community and their prayer services to ensure recipients don't feel coerced, said Tara Horton, a special assistant to the Alaska Department of Health and Social Services. Though staffers reached out to nonprofits and religious groups of many faiths, mostly Christian organizations applied for funding, she said.

In June, when Alaska legislators decided to cut $712,000 in state support for the office, Parnell sent lawmakers an urgent letter asking them to put it back in the budget. A small portion of state funding was later restored.

"Gov. Palin is motivated by the needs out there, and faith-based and community initiatives are a great way to do that," Parnell said. "It matters not to state government what religion people belong to, so long as they are serving the public and the money they receive is used appropriately."

Still, a state worker who directs an Anchorage-based group that advocates for church-state separation, Lloyd Eggan, said Palin's administration hasn't done enough to assure voters that government money doesn't support ministry.

"That sort of thing is exactly what courts have said is barred by the First Amendment," Eggan said.

___

Associated Press writers Justin Pritchard in Anchorage and Anne Sutton in Juneau contributed to this report.

[Archetype]

Is it weird that I can pinpoint Freegood's posts without looking at his sig or av, even when it's a "news" report?

[Smokestack]

America's "hockey mom" can't even get any love at a hockey game...

g7TgDanmWkg

[kid_vidrio]

Has she released her taxes yet?

[dadaelus]

Yup. http://www.johnmccain.com/palinfinancial/

She released for 2006 & 2007

[Archangel]

As I keep saying, smart people like freegood can unearth all manner of shit about the cunt - as long as she doesn't abort a pregnancy, love a n****r, or become a Muslim, her supporters will go on loving her as one of them.

[Le Goat]

http://jj.am/gallery/d/63957-1/Palin_debate_flowchart.jpg

[ADD]

America's "hockey mom" can't even get any love at a hockey game...

g7TgDanmWkg

Hockey fans aren't stupid

[Deadhead Derek]

I love this. McCain/ Palin say different things, and then her spokesperson says, " no, she said that but what she meant was the opposite." reminds me of a Monty Pythoon skit... " it is spelled Luxury Yachts, but it is pronounced Throatwarbler Mangrove"...

McCain and Palin Appear to Disagree on North Korea

Updated 6:30 p.m.
By Glenn Kessler
President Bush's decision to remove North Korea from the State Department's list of the state sponsors of terrorism badly split officials in his administration. Now it appears to have also split a potential McCain-Palin administration.
Sen. John McCain, the GOP presidential nominee, issued a skeptical statement on Friday night, when reports of Bush's decision began to circulate, expressing concern about the move, which the president made because he determined North Korea had been cooperative on plans to verify its nuclear programs.
McCain said it was unclear whether the verification plan would allow for a full exploration of Pyongyang's nuclear programs and that he was distressed at how Asian allies such as Japan were not consulted during the negotiations. In essence, McCain said, he could not yet support the decision.
"I expect the administration to explain exactly how this new verification agreement advances American interests and those of our allies before I will be able to support any decision to remove North Korea from the list of state sponsors of terrorism," he said in the statement.
But on Saturday, his running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, made remarks that went even further than the tentative support for the move given by Sen. Barack Obama. In Palin's words, Bush had made a "wise decision."
Speaking to reporters in Altoona, Pa., Palin said: "[Secretary of State] Condoleezza Rice, of course, having worked on this strategy for quite some time, I have faith in her that they're making this wise decision and North Korea, of course, better live up to its end of the bargain there, in speaking with the other countries whom they've been working with, in promising the verification. That end of the bargain has got to be lived up to."
By contrast, Obama said the decision was an "appropriate response" to a modest advance in the negotiations.
"North Korea's agreement to these verification measures is a modest step forward in dismantling its nuclear weapons programs," Obama said in a statement. "President Bush's decision to remove North Korea from the list of state sponsors of terrorism is an appropriate response, as long as there is a clear understanding that if North Korea fails to follow through there will be immediate consequences."
Palin spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt late Sunday issued a statement saying there was no divide between the two GOP candidates.
"On North Korea, Governor Palin's position is identical to Senator McCain's: the verification steps are not sufficient to date to warrant North Korea's removal for the state sponsors of terror list," said Schmitt. "Governor Palin, like Senator McCain, believes diplomacy is critical to achieving a denuclearized North Korea. She believes Secretary Rice and the Bush administration are wise to pursue diplomacy and that is what she meant yesterday. Governor Palin does not believe it was a wise decision to remove North Korea from the state sponsors of terror list under current circumstances."


lulz

[eleveneighteen]

Hockey fans aren't stupid

That hockey puck would make a better VP

[smahoo]

^^ yea, like i meant to say pass the butter when i really said you ruined my life you fucking bitch...

that campaign is in a shambles...what a disgrace and laughing stock McCain and especially Palin have turned this election in to

[Deadhead Derek]

two pickets to tittsburg?

[smahoo]

exactly, what's really scary is that Republicans are already talking about a 2012 run for the White House with Palin as the nominee...

[Limp]

exactly, what's really scary is that Republicans are already talking about a 2012 run for the White House with Palin as the nominee...
She will have 4 years as a vice president by then and will be ready for the job.

[eleveneighteen]

exactly, what's really scary is that Republicans are already talking about a 2012 run for the White House with Palin as the nominee...

By 2012 she won't even be able to make a run for White Castle without getting laughed out of whatever town she's in.

[kareyn01]

She will have 4 years as a vice president by then and will be ready for the job.

Sure she will. What with Obama being up 10 points and all.

[Limp]

Sure she will. What with Obama being up 10 points and all.
Yeah... polls are 100% accurate.

[kareyn01]

Yeah... polls are 100% accurate.

I'd say McCain announcing today that: 1) he is down 6% in the polls, and 2) that he is now "hitting the reset button" on his campaign, are both good measures of where the race stands right now.

[smahoo]

where was that annoucement released??

[Limp]

I'd say McCain announcing today that: 1) he is down 6% in the polls, and 2) that he is now "hitting the reset button" on his campaign, are both good measures of where the race stands right now.
It's all a part of his strategy. Make teh blacks think Obama won so they stay at home and drink 40's/eating fried shicken in celebration instead of voting.

Then the crackers will vote in mass numbers to keep teh black out of the white house.

[kareyn01]

where was that annoucement released??

He made those announcements in a speech earlier today. Here's the link:
http://thepage.time.com/2008/10/13/mccain-indicts-bush-in-comeback-speech/


Also, Charlie Crist, the Governor of Florida, announced that he won't be helping McCain campaign in the run-up to election day. Obama is polling anywhere from 4-10 points up in the state, so why wouldn't Crist be helping McCain?

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/campaign-2008/story/722731.html

[Limp]

Crist can fuck himself... McCain has Christ on his said.

[kareyn01]

It's all a part of his strategy. Make teh blacks think Obama won so they stay at home and drink 40's/eating fried shicken in celebration instead of voting.

Then the crackers will vote in mass numbers to keep teh black out of the white house.

Well, the white people in Washington, Oregon, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa or the Northeast don't seem to be helping McCain. Hell, Obama is polling 8 points ahead in West Virginia, and 2 points ahead in North Dakota.

www.pollster.com

[ADD]

News flash: many white people like Obama

[TheImpossibleMan]

Every major news outlet has Obama on the cusp of winning (like, 263 guaranteed electoral votes). Every independent polling institution has Obama already having clinched the White House.

[redsox39]

As I keep saying, smart people like freegood can unearth all manner of shit about the cunt - as long as she doesn't abort a pregnancy, love a n****r, or become a Muslim, her supporters will go on loving her as one of them.

You mean Just like Obama supporters?
As long as he doesn't eat a live baby on national TV during a football game, he gets a free pass?

[Mustard]

On paper, USC beats Oregon State by 30, and we all know how that turned out a few weeks ago.

Let's not count our chickens just yet...

[Morfin]

Also, Charlie Crist, the Governor of Florida, announced that he won't be helping McCain campaign in the run-up to election day. Obama is polling anywhere from 4-10 points up in the state, so why wouldn't Crist be helping McCain?

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/campaign-2008/story/722731.html

From the Crist article:

Even Gov. Charlie Crist, who helped deliver Florida for McCain during the primary, said he will be spending more time minding the state's weak economy than campaigning for the Arizona senator in the final weeks before Election Day.

''When I have time to help, I'll try to do that,'' Crist said last week, after he flew around the state with McCain running mate Sarah Palin. Saturday, he skipped a McCain football rally and instead went to Disney World.

I guess Disney is where his economic advisers are.

Putting that aside, where is the Republican National Committee in all of this? Should it be getting Crist in line? Shouldn't they be telling him to campaign for McCain or risk losing any support in the future? Maybe the reason that it appears the RNC is quiet and Crist can do this is that McCain has pissed them off in the past, by being a "maverick", and now with McCain needing all the help he can get, the RNC and others are basically telling him that he is on his own.

[kareyn01]

On paper, USC beats Oregon State by 30, and we all know how that turned out a few weeks ago.

Let's not count our chickens just yet...

1) I don't think that Jacquizz Rodgers is on McCain's staff.

2) I don't think anybody in their right mind is considering the election in the bag 22 days ahead of time. The Obama campaign, to their great credit, realizes that the most important factor in the election now that registration deadlines have passed, is getting people out to vote, and turning their newly-won registration advantage into an actual voter turnout advantage.

[Deadhead Derek]

Every major news outlet has Obama on the cusp of winning (like, 263 guaranteed electoral votes). Every independent polling institution has Obama already having clinched the White House.
263 aint 270....

[taters]

263 aint 270....

True, but its damned close.

I personally see obama winning, but a SLURRY of voter fraud claims in at least 8 states, all focused in minority and low income areas by republicans, which may or may not lead to a Bush v Gore part 2. Obamas campaign relies too heavily on good faith in the court system, something he as a harvard law grad should know better on.

(The firms working for the party and mccain's subsidiary pr groups are already setting up cases and filing..odd considering the election hasnt happened yet. Likewise, the dem parties lawyers are already setting up the inevitable challenges, and voter rights violation charges).

November 4th will either be a great day for Obama and America, or a good day for Republicans and Lawyers (Billed up the ASS).

[heelsguy]

You mean Just like Obama supporters?
As long as he doesn't eat a live baby on national TV during a football game, he gets a free pass?

what gets me is that any celeb from matt damon to madonna to whomever can call palin a fucking cunt on stage and they are not stirring up hate. but one or two random fuckers in a mccain stump speech crowd say something off-color about obama and mccain and palin are blamed for not acting in horror/shock of it all. where is obama telling his hollywood buddies to STFU and follow his classy lead?

[Insomniac]

Saying Palin is an idiot and saying Obama is a terrorist, traitor, Arab who should be killed are two completely different things.

[freegood]

what gets me is that any celeb from matt damon to madonna to whomever can call palin a fucking cunt on stage and they are not stirring up hate. but one or two random fuckers in a mccain stump speech crowd say something off-color about obama and mccain and palin are blamed for not acting in horror/shock of it all. where is obama telling his hollywood buddies to STFU and follow his classy lead?

One crowd is more likely to have the bright idea to kill the other candidate. Guess which one.

[TheImpossibleMan]

what gets me is that any celeb from matt damon to madonna to whomever can call palin a fucking cunt on stage and they are not stirring up hate. but one or two random fuckers in a mccain stump speech crowd say something off-color about obama and mccain and palin are blamed for not acting in horror/shock of it all. where is obama telling his hollywood buddies to STFU and follow his classy lead?
Spin, it's a beautiful thing. Random celebrities or news persons that Obama has zero control over calling out Palin as the unqualified hatemonger she is is a lot different from Palin herself saying that Obama has "palled around with terrorists" or McCain releasing ads suggesting Obama is a terrorist. No one at Obama rallies is saying "We're terrified of a McCain presidency" or "We think McCain is a white supremacist".

Also, again, let's adress the elephant in the room: There is a ton of racism and racists left in America. Politically attacking McCain, or Obama, or Palin for being left/right/unqualified/out of touch whatever is one thing; playing up racist fears and suggesting that your opponent is a terrorist is another.

[VoxAngelikus]

Why Obama won't win?

"Sure, I'll vote for the black! (wink wink)


Will Obama suffer from the 'Bradley effect'? (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/13/obama.bradley.effect/index.html)

From Jason Carroll
CNN

(CNN) -- Sen. Barack Obama has a sizable lead over Sen. John McCain, polls show, but those numbers could be deceiving if the "Bradley effect" comes into play. Polls show that Sen. Barack Obama has a sizable lead over Sen. John McCain.

The Bradley effect is named after former Los Angeles Mayor Tom Bradley, an African-American who ran for California governor in 1982. Exit polls showed Bradley leading by a wide margin, and the Democrat confidentially thought it would be an early election night.

But Bradley and the polls were wrong. He lost to Republican George Deukmejian. The theory was that polling was wrong because some voters, who did not want to appear bigoted, said they voted for Bradley even though they did not.

"People will usually tell you how they voted after the election, but we found in the Bradley campaign ... that people were actually not telling us who they voted for," said Charles Henry, who researched Bradley's election.

The Bradley effect is also called the "Wilder effect," after Douglas Wilder, Virginia's former governor. He won by just one-tenth of a percent, but as he pointed out to CNN, "people forget -- in the exit polls, I was still double-digits ahead."

According to CNN's latest poll of polls, Obama (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/barack.obama.html) is leading McCain (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/john.mccain.html) by 8 percentage points, 50 to 42.

Some analysts say the race could be much closer or even tied if the Bradley effect is factored in.

"It leaves a question mark over this race, and we won't have the final answer until the votes are counted," said David Gergen, a senior political analyst for CNN.

But there could be an opposite effect, Wilder said. "There's going to be a reverse Wilder or Bradley effect. ... There are some Republicans who are not going to say out front that they're going to be voting for Obama, but they're going to be, because the economy is what's driving people to consider what's in their best interest," he said.

Some analysts say the Bradley (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Tom_Bradley) effect can account for 6 percentage points against an African-American candidate.

Michelle Obama told CNN's Larry King that a lot has changed since Bradley lost.

"That was several decades ago, and I think there's been growth and movement," she said. "I just believe that the issues are going to weigh in people's hearts more so as they go into the voting booths this time around."

Former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown said last week that he thinks the Bradley effect could cost Obama several battleground states -- and possibly the presidency.

Race "is still a problem in this country," Brown told CNN. "It goes away when there are other troubles that are more challenging, and right now, whether or not we survive in the economy is more challenging. But race could rear its ugly head. I just hope it doesn't before November 4." In the past 15 years or so, there's been no indication in the polls that the Bradley effect has been a factor in statewide races.

Bill Schneider, CNN's senior political analyst, said that if there is racism in this year's election (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/U_S_Presidential_Election), it's probably already showing up in the polls. And Keating Holland, CNN's polling director, pointed out another important caveat:

"We've never had a black presidential candidate as a major nominee, so the polls don't have any history at all when it comes to national elections," he said.

[Limp]

It's all a part of his strategy. Make teh blacks think Obama won so they stay at home and drink 40's/eating fried shicken in celebration instead of voting.

Then the crackers will vote in mass numbers to keep teh black out of the white house.

[Archangel]

You mean Just like Obama supporters?
As long as he doesn't eat a live baby on national TV during a football game, he gets a free pass?

Yeah, but Obama's supporters don't cheer him when he talks about Jayzus wanting Merka to drop bombs on them there terr'sts, one of whom might be his direct competitor.

[Smokestack]

The Anchorage Daily News' editorial page weighs in on Troopergate (http://www.adn.com/opinion/view/story/555236.html): (http://www.adn.com/opinion/view/story/555236.html%29:)

Palin vindicated?
Governor offers Orwellian spin
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(10/13/08 22:02:58) Sarah Palin's reaction to the Legislature's Troopergate report is an embarrassment to Alaskans and the nation.
She claims the report "vindicates" her. She said that the investigation found "no unlawful or unethical activity on my part." Her response is either astoundingly ignorant or downright Orwellian.
Page 8, Finding Number One of the report says: "I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act."
In plain English, she did something "unlawful." She broke the state ethics law.
Perhaps Gov. Palin has been too busy to actually read the Troopergate report. Perhaps she is relying on briefings from McCain campaign spinmeisters.
That's the charitable interpretation.
Because if she had actually read it, she couldn't claim "vindication" with a straight face.
Palin asserted that the report found "there was no abuse of authority at all in trying to get Officer Wooten fired."
In fact, the report concluded that "impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda, to wit: to get Trooper Michael Wooten fired."
Palin's response is the kind of political "big lie" that George Orwell warned against. War is peace. Black is white. Up is down.
Gov. Palin and her camp trumpeted the report's second finding: that she was within her legal authority to fire Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. But the report also said it's likely one of the reasons she fired him was his failure to get rid of her ex-brother-in-law trooper.
That's not "vindication," and surely Gov. Palin knows it.
Gov. Palin does have a defense. She could have said:

"I'm gratified that the report confirmed what I said all along, that I had the authority to terminate Walt Monegan as public safety commissioner.
"I absolutely disagree that I violated state ethics law. In repeatedly complaining about trooper Mike Wooten, Todd and I were not pursuing a personal vendetta. We were trying to protect the integrity of the Alaska State Troopers from having an arrogant, almost-out-of-control law-breaker in their ranks. Because the action we were seeking was in the public interest, not purely our personal interest, there is no ethics law violation."
Gov. Palin and her husband felt so passionately about Wooten because the case was so personal to them. Their passion blinded them to any other considerations. They had no sense that the power of the governor's office carries a special responsibility not to use it to settle family scores. They had no sense that legal restrictions might prevent the troopers from firing Wooten. They had no sense that persistent queries from the governor's office might be perceived as pressure to bend state personnel laws.
Gov. Palin and her husband were obsessed with Wooten the way Capt. Ahab was obsessed with the Great White Whale. No Wooten, no peace.
Has Gov. Palin committed an impeachable offense? Hardly.
Is what she did indictable? No.
But it wasn't appropriate, especially for someone elected as an ethical reformer. And her Orwellian claims of "vindication" make this blemish on her record look even worse.
You asked us to hold you accountable, Gov. Palin. Did you mean it?

Bottom line: Gov. Palin, read the report. It says you violated the ethics law. (Smokestack's emphasis)

[heelsguy]

mccain is just running a typical, hard-fought presidential campaign. if obama was not not black, no one would be saying shit..or, alternately, if it was mccain who had been buddies with a terrorist, the washington post, nytimes and obama-world would be laying the wood to him

[}{arlequin]

http://imagebot.org/debate.jpg

[Smokestack]

mccain is just running a typical, hard-fought presidential campaign. if obama was not not black, no one would be saying shit..or, alternately, if it was mccain who had been buddies with a terrorist, the washington post, nytimes and obama-world would be laying the wood to him

Maybe, maybe not. Only John McCain knows what his true intent is but judging by the reactions of his supporters last week to McCain/Palin playing up the Bill Ayers card along with the "Who is Barack Obama?" card along with the "Obama sees the country differently than you and I"/he's unpatriotic card, it seems like there might be something else going on here besides a "typical, hard-fought campaign." Either that, or McCain has terrible judgement (or both). At the end of the day, none of it sheds a favorable light on McCain or Palin.

[heelsguy]

Maybe, maybe not. Only John McCain knows what his true intent is but judging by the reactions of his supporters last week to McCain/Palin playing up the Bill Ayers card along with the "Who is Barack Obama?" card along with the "Obama sees the country differently than you and I"/he's unpatriotic card, it seems like there might be something else going on here besides a "typical, hard-fought campaign." Either that, or McCain has terrible judgement (or both). At the end of the day, none of it sheds a favorable light on McCain or Palin.

asking "who is barack obama" to someone who has never held an executive position, and was only a US senator for a short time before announcing his bid for the presidency is a fair question. just as fair as asking those questions of palin--who by the way HAS held an executive position and is not even at the top of the ticket. admit it: if obama was white and someone asked "who is obama?" no one would think twice about it.

[Smokestack]

asking "who is barack obama" to someone who has never held an executive position, and was only a US senator for a short time before announcing his bid for the presidency is a fair question. just as fair as asking those questions of palin--who by the way HAS held an executive position and is not even at the top of the ticket. admit it: if obama was white and someone asked "who is obama?" no one would think twice about it.

Is it a fair question when Sarah Palin, who most people have known about 6 weeks, is the one asking it? Look, the experience angle is certainly a valid one but approached like this, experience isn't what's being inferred in the "Who's Barack Obama?" question. The Ayers thing was already covered pretty extensively in the primaries. "Who's Barack Obama" insinuates that's there's something deep and sinister, and other, about Barack Obama.

And you're right that if Obama was white, it would have a different meaning. But Obama isn't white. And would that question be levied against a white politician? Probably not.

[TheImpossibleMan]

asking "who is barack obama" to someone who has never held an executive position, and was only a US senator for a short time before announcing his bid for the presidency is a fair question. just as fair as asking those questions of palin--who by the way HAS held an executive position and is not even at the top of the ticket. admit it: if obama was white and someone asked "who is obama?" no one would think twice about it.
I find it interesting that you bring this up, as it is Obama, and not McCain, that has acknowledged tension and resentment over a percieved double-standard regarding blacks in general.

[heelsguy]

Is it a fair question when Sarah Palin, who most people have known about 6 weeks, is the one asking it? Look, the experience angle is certainly a valid one but approached like this, experience isn't what's being inferred in the "Who's Barack Obama?" question. The Ayers thing was already covered pretty extensively in the primaries. "Who's Barack Obama" insinuates that's there's something deep and sinister, and other, about Barack Obama.

And you're right that if Obama was white, it would have a different meaning. But Obama isn't white. And would that question be levied against a white politician? Probably not.


sure it would. obama et al levied it against a white candidate palin...a VP candidate no less.

look I am one of the least predjudiced people I know. but I'll be damned if a white candidate should have to bend over backwards when campaigning against a black candidate.

[kid_vidrio]

sure it would. obama et al levied it against a white candidate palin...a VP candidate no less.

look I am one of the least predjudiced people I know. but I'll be damned if a white candidate should have to bend over backwards when campaigning against a black candidate.
I totally agree, but I'm not seeing where that is happening.

[freegood]

look I am one of the least predjudiced people I know. but I'll be damned if a white candidate should have to bend over backwards when campaigning against a black candidate.

If that were the case, conservatives like Chuck Hagel, Christopher Buckley (http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-10/the-conservative-case-for-obama/), Colin Powell, Larry Hunter (http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/06/19/obamacon-has-questions-for-the-senator.aspx), or other Obamacons (http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=46a816dc-f843-41ec-9fe4-fbeac17bcfca) would not support him.

Check out the links. I'm interested in what you think about them. No arguments from me.

[machwa]

Bending over backwards? Jesus...fucking...christ. I love when people call me a terrorist. It really makes me know they're going to extra mile to accommodate me.

The "who is Obama" question is fair in terms of his policies but when the McCain campaign wants the answer to be terrorist or friend of terrorist then things cross the line. Think about it.....we will very likely have a president that a portion of the population absolutely thinks is an arab, muslim, terrorist, terrorist sympathizer or combination thereof. I loathe Bush with every ounce of my being but I can chalk him up to being a very incompetent, narrow-minded fool...not a terrorist. The fact that some of you on here can actually justify this type of attack is ridiculous.

[Archangel]

News flash: many white people like Obama

Like every white person outside of the United States, for one.

[Mr. Brown]

Are they really called white outside the US or just their actual ethnic background ie British, Polish etc?

[Archangel]

No idea, I'm not white.

[Archangel]

But the region that Caucasians are named after isn't really in America.

[Morfin]

Like every white person outside of the United States, for one.

And that's a reason to vote against him: If foreigners like him, he must be no good for America. Right?

[Archangel]

Claydon and Yelram have been saying that for months, actually.

[Limp]

Fuck foreigners.

[Archangel]

Limp, too.

[The Batman]

Claydon and Yelram have been saying that for months, actually.

Yeah, thats great support. One guy who is obviously out of his ever loving mind, and the other is a crazy republican. Try to figure out which one is which.

[kid_vidrio]

Why on earth would we care what the rest of the world thinks of us? It's not like we trade with them or depend on them for assistance in/with anything.

[Yelram]

Bending over backwards? Jesus...fucking...christ. I love when people call me a terrorist. It really makes me know they're going to extra mile to accommodate me.

The "who is Obama" question is fair in terms of his policies but when the McCain campaign wants the answer to be terrorist or friend of terrorist then things cross the line. Think about it.....we will very likely have a president that a portion of the population absolutely thinks is an arab, muslim, terrorist, terrorist sympathizer or combination thereof. I loathe Bush with every ounce of my being but I can chalk him up to being a very incompetent, narrow-minded fool...not a terrorist. The fact that some of you on here can actually justify this type of attack is ridiculous.

So then producing a birth certificate, and telling us who paid for him to goto Harvard, and having some transparency as to who is funding his campaign via the internet, are just ridiculous things to want to know?

So the fact that his primary education was based in INDONESIA, his "cousin" whom he has been a consultant to while he runs for the president of Kenya, is the leader of a socialist muslim party doesnt mean anything? You cant question anything about this shmuck, or you are immediately a bigot, or a racist, or any of the above. You people need to atleast embrace the possibility just for a second, that Barack is a plant. In the next second you can throw it out the window, but for the love of god, dont let this slimy little weasel get to the whitehouse without considering it.

[kid_vidrio]

you can google those answers yourself.

that bc thing is so fucking TIRED. his name actually appeared in the newspaper on the day he was born - in Hawaii. Get over it. I don't have my original bc either. I have a legal copy cuz mine burned in a fire.

he had college loans. he's made lots of money. he paid them off. blah blah blah. you think no one has looked at his returns?

fight the guy on his plans if you want, but please, dear god, get over teh conspiracy thing.

[Da Raider]

Obama is a socialist who thinks that more government is the answer.
McCain is a former "maverick" who has sold his soul for the White House who now thinks that more goverment is the answer.

Vote Paul.

[Smokestack]

So the fact that his primary education was based in INDONESIA, his "cousin" whom he has been a consultant to while he runs for the president of Kenya, is the leader of a socialist muslim party doesnt mean anything? You cant question anything about this shmuck, or you are immediately a bigot, or a racist, or any of the above. You people need to atleast embrace the possibility just for a second, that Barack is a plant. In the next second you can throw it out the window, but for the love of god, dont let this slimy little weasel get to the whitehouse without considering it.

I heard that if you play Obama's speeches backwards, he says "You must wage jihad against whitey and fetuses everywhere. Praise Allah."

EDIT: Oh, and that Paul is dead.

[machwa]

So then producing a birth certificate, and telling us who paid for him to goto Harvard, and having some transparency as to who is funding his campaign via the internet, are just ridiculous things to want to know?

So the fact that his primary education was based in INDONESIA, his "cousin" whom he has been a consultant to while he runs for the president of Kenya, is the leader of a socialist muslim party doesnt mean anything? You cant question anything about this shmuck, or you are immediately a bigot, or a racist, or any of the above. You people need to atleast embrace the possibility just for a second, that Barack is a plant. In the next second you can throw it out the window, but for the love of god, dont let this slimy little weasel get to the whitehouse without considering it.


Lol. Obama is a plant? You are certainly allowed to question anything about him you like. I'm worried your tinfoil hat is cutting off circulation to your brain, though.

[Morfin]

So then producing a birth certificate, and telling us who paid for him to goto Harvard, and having some transparency as to who is funding his campaign via the internet, are just ridiculous things to want to know?

So the fact that his primary education was based in INDONESIA, his "cousin" whom he has been a consultant to while he runs for the president of Kenya, is the leader of a socialist muslim party doesnt mean anything? You cant question anything about this shmuck, or you are immediately a bigot, or a racist, or any of the above. You people need to atleast embrace the possibility just for a second, that Barack is a plant. In the next second you can throw it out the window, but for the love of god, dont let this slimy little weasel get to the whitehouse without considering it.

My 2 questions, Yelram (and I ask this with some trepidation), are:

1) Do you honestly believe that all (not just some, but all) of the mainstream media would ignore all (not just some, but all) of those connections if they had absolutely any real connection to Obama? And this would have to include right-wing-leaning media, such as the Washington Times.

2) If there is any merit to these things, do you believe that McCain and his organization -- the same one that has touted the Ayers connection -- would ignore all (not just some, but all) of these things you think everyone should look into?

Yes, I will read your responses. And I promise to give them consideration.

[Yelram]

My 2 questions, Yelram (and I ask this with some trepidation), are:

1) Do you honestly believe that all (not just some, but all) of the mainstream media would ignore all (not just some, but all) of those connections if they had absolutely any real connection to Obama? And this would have to include right-wing-leaning media, such as the Washington Times.

2) If there is any merit to these things, do you believe that McCain and his organization -- the same one that has touted the Ayers connection -- would ignore all (not just some, but all) of these things you think everyone should look into?

Yes, I will read your responses. And I promise to give them consideration.


1. Yes
2. Yes.

[VoxAngelikus]

I think it's absolutely gut-bustingly hysterical that most of the people who think that "Obama" is a plant - a conspiracy theory in our midst - would shout down anyone claiming that 9/11 was a conspiracy. (Not all of them, because I am sure that there are some people who just want a conspiracy theory for conspiracy theory's sake)

[TheImpossibleMan]

So then producing a birth certificate, and telling us who paid for him to goto Harvard, and having some transparency as to who is funding his campaign via the internet, are just ridiculous things to want to know?

So the fact that his primary education was based in INDONESIA, his "cousin" whom he has been a consultant to while he runs for the president of Kenya, is the leader of a socialist muslim party doesnt mean anything? You cant question anything about this shmuck, or you are immediately a bigot, or a racist, or any of the above. You people need to atleast embrace the possibility just for a second, that Barack is a plant. In the next second you can throw it out the window, but for the love of god, dont let this slimy little weasel get to the whitehouse without considering it.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

wait...*rereads*

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Axel]

1. Yes
2. Yes.Please Yealram, go and spread you mental manure here: Obama not actually from Earth? (http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?t=5003)

We all are sick and tired of your delusional chickenshit.

[freegood]

http://images.salon.com/comics/tomo/2008/10/14/tomo/story.jpg

[Morfin]

1. Yes
2. Yes.

I admit that I am intrigued (in the same way that I enjoy seeing drunks stumble around just to see how long until they fall).

So, let's take my question #2. Why do you believe that McCain and his organization would ignore these issues?

[Limp]

So, let's take my question #2. Why do you believe that McCain and his organization would ignore these issues?
Cause Obama is a terrorist and is holding McCain's family hostage in a secret cave in Iran filled with nukes!

[VoxAngelikus]

I'll bet if McCain/Palin wins, Johnny Mac will pop his Viagra and have a little FFM action in the Oval Office with Palin and his hot GILF wife.

[freegood]

Cause Obama is a terrorist and is holding McCain's family hostage in a secret cave in Iran filled with nukes!

You might be onto something there, Limp.

I've never seen McCain's first wife and children in the limelight or standing with him in his speeches.

Coincidence...or FACT?!?

[Mustard]

Barack Obama kicked my dog, again!

[Smokestack]

http://imagebot.org/debate.jpg

[The Batman]

http://www.palinaspresident.com/

[Fornicator]

I saw some footage of Palin today in a tight shirt.

Boobies!

My 'support' for her just went up.

[Desperado]

We have come along way with this dumb broad...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/17/enough-with-%e2%80%98joe-the-plumber%e2%80%99-palin-says/

From CNN Associate Political Editor Rebecca Sinderbrand (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/tag/cnn-associate-political-editor-rebecca-sinderbrand/)

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/10/17/palin6.jpg Palin has been advised to avoid campaign news.

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/corner_wire_BL.gif

(CNN) – Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin told supporters at a North Carolina fundraiser that her aides discouraged her from watching campaign news because they thought she would get “depressed.”
“At those times on the campaign trail when sometimes it’s easy to get a little bit discouraged, when you know, when you happen to turn on the news when your campaign staffers will let you turn on the news,” she said Thursday night, to laughter from the crowd. “Usually they’re like ‘Oh my gosh, don’t watch, you’re going to, you know, you’re going to get depressed.’
“But yeah, sometimes you do get depressed watching what it is that they’re reporting and the spin and some of the distortion of what our message is and what we stand for, sometimes that, that gets draining,” she added. “But it’s at events like these and our rallies that we are so energized and inspired and we know that we are not alone. We feel your strength and we feel the power of prayer, so many of you tell us that you are praying for us and praying for our country, and that’s why we so appreciate you being here.”
The view isn’t all glum from the trail. “We even saw today, thank the Lord, we saw some movement,” looking upwards and making a fist. Another bright note for her, she said later, was visiting “pro-America” areas of the country.

[Fletch]

Another bright note for her, she said later, was visiting “pro-America” areas of the country.

I'd love to hear her go into more detail about this.

[Morfin]

I would like to know where the anti-America areas are?

[Archangel]

The areas where people develop their own opinions and sense of critique.

It's acquired through some new-fangled concept called "reading", I'm told.

[Morfin]

Socialist!

[Mustard]

Marxist!

[kid_vidrio]

Is Sarah qualified to run?
PBS wants to know.
http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

[Mustard]

What do you suppose would be the percentage of people who vote on this poll who think qualified means actually and simply being qualified under the rules of the constitution?

What do you suppose would be the percentage of people who vote on this poll who think qualified means having the necessary experience, leadership qualities, knowledge of duties, and intelligence to be considered fit for command as the Vice President of the United States?

[TheImpossibleMan]

Biden goes after Palin for 'pro-America' remarks (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/17/campaign.wrap/index.html)

Is it common to have one Veep go after the other so hard? I don't remember Lieberman or Edwards ever attacking Cheney like this.

[Morfin]

Biden goes after Palin for 'pro-America' remarks (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/17/campaign.wrap/index.html)

Is it common to have one Veep go after the other so hard? I don't remember Lieberman or Edwards ever attacking Cheney like this.

No, but it is only logical. Both because she is a woman and because she is a VP candidate, I don't think that Obama can or should attack her directly. That is what the VP is for: To be the one to do the dirty work, while the Presidential candidate stays clean. Same reason why Palin is much more strident and aggressive in her personal attacks on Obama, so McCain can appear to be above the fray.

[willydong]

No, but it is only logical. Both because she is a woman and because she is a VP candidate, I don't think that Obama can or should attack her directly. That is what the VP is for: To be the one to do the dirty work, while the Presidential candidate stays clean. Same reason why Palin is much more strident and aggressive in her personal attacks on Obama, so McCain can appear to be above the fray.


american politics are classy like that

[Gary_Busey]

Also, Palin provides unlimited cannon fodder for someone as opinionated and fervent as Biden.

[Archangel]

It's funny how the Republicans have pretty much given up on convincing anybody who can read and doesn't wear a trucker cap, to the point of calling the non-redneck areas of the country not "pro-America".

I mean, how fucking offensive is that to American intellectuals? So Thomas Jefferson wasn't "pro-America"? J. Robert Oppenheimer? Jonas Salk? John Lewis Gaddis? Henry Kissin... well, he was German, but still; what the fuck is this, McCarthy? If you don't toe the line, think for yourself, you're a terrorist, a communist, un-American?

It's the biggest declaration of intellectual and moral bancruptcy I've seen in politics thus far.

[noahsdove]

http://imagebot.org/debate.jpg

[Claydon]

It's the biggest declaration of intellectual and moral bancruptcy I've seen in politics thus far.


Bit of a stretch don't you think? This is election year garbage nothing more, and although I am not attempting to condone this sort of rhetoric, it is not any better or worst than say Whoopi Goldberg asking McCain if he is going to bring back slavery?

Also, you may want to read some of the political attacks between the federalists and the democratic republicans for the election of 1800 (adams and jefferson). The rhetoric was down right criminal.

[Archangel]

Yeah, but I didn't witness those. I mean, obviously, the German centre-right parties basically handing Hitler the country on a silver platter was pretty much the worst declaration of said bancruptcy ever, but I wasn't around for that shit.

No, but seriously, alienating every intellectual in the country as un-American? It's like class warfare, only on an elementary school level.

[Claydon]

Yeah, but I didn't witness those. I mean, obviously, the German centre-right parties basically handing Hitler the country on a silver platter was pretty much the worst declaration of said bancruptcy ever, but I wasn't around for that shit.

No, but seriously, alienating every intellectual in the country as un-American? It's like class warfare, only on an elementary school level.


You are far too intelligent (and obnoxious) to fall into the rhetoric, particulary that of a typical cantankerous US Presidential election.

[Rover]

There is nothing unusual about this election. Both sides reject intellecutals on the other side.

Since Jefferson's name was brought up.....he was criticized for being too pro-France and unAmerican. I mean, this criticism isn't anything new and exciting.

New and exciting was killed in 1964 when Goldwater and Kennedy could no longer campaign across the country together.

[Claydon]

There is nothing unusual about this election. Both sides reject intellecutals on the other side.

Since Jefferson's name was brought up.....he was criticized for being too pro-France and unAmerican. I mean, this criticism isn't anything new and exciting.

New and exciting was killed in 1964 when Goldwater and Kennedy could no longer campaign across the country together.


Or when conventions were actually about fighting over who would be the nom, vs the crowning that it is now.

[Rover]

It's just funny to me that every year seems to be the "Worst, most evil accusations ever", but that isn't even remotely true. Candidates were accused of n***** loving, of being homosexual, of all kinds of crazy things. I wouldn't be surprised if someone accused Obama of being a n***** loving, arab, terroist, who hates America. And McCain is a Manchurian candidate with early onset Alzheimer's and dementia, who's one loud noise away from suffering a massive heart attack and stroke. And then his running mate is the dumbest person in the world incapable of thought and she's a mindnumb religious zealot, who loves to kill animals and hates Mother Earth.

There's nothing new. Political attack go insane for a few months and then by Jan. 20th things are cool again and we get to recover for the next go 'round. Unless, you're Democrats in 2000. Then you have that latent hostility built up.

[Claydon]

GORE WON MAN!

[Yelram]

GORE WON MAN!

I hope obama wins the electoral and loses the popular, if he wins atleast.

[Claydon]

I hope obama wins the electoral and loses the popular, if he wins atleast.


Think those that called for the abolishing of the electoral college will sing the same tune if obama wins the college but 'loses' the general?

[freegood]

I hope obama wins the electoral and loses the popular, if he wins atleast.

Highly unlikely Obama will lose the popular....

[eleveneighteen]

F'in hilarious when the Moose falls down.

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/update-palin-rap/773781/

[Pharon]

Was that Tina Fey sitting there or was it actually Sarah Palin?

I seriously couldn't tell.

[nuclearjew]

Neither could Alec Baldwin.

[Feng]

Think those that called for the abolishing of the electoral college will sing the same tune if obama wins the college but 'loses' the general?

Aren't you one of "those" who sing that tune?

[fuldstændigamok]

Was that Tina Fey sitting there or was it actually Sarah Palin?

I seriously couldn't tell.

I'm pretty sure that's really her.

[Pharon]

Think those that called for the abolishing of the electoral college will sing the same tune if obama wins the college but 'loses' the general?
Obama will lose neither the electoral college nor the overall popular vote, so it's really a moot point.

[Pharon]

I'm pretty sure that's really her.
Fucking classic -- awesome response by her, too...
Enter frequent GOP critic and perennial host Alec Baldwin. Talking to Michaels and “mistakingly” believing that Fey was by his side (not Palin), Baldwin lambasted the Alaska governor, feigning his disapproval that Michaels would actually allow Palin to appear on the show.

“This is our most important election in history and you want her — our Tina — to go out there and stand with that horrible woman. What do you have to say for yourself?” he asked Michaels.

“Alec, this is Governor Palin,” Michaels responded.

Pausing, Baldwin turned to Palin and said, “I see. Uh….. forgive me, but I feel I must say this. You are way hotter in person. Seriously, I can’t believe they let her — play YOU,” he said with outstretched arms expressing his admiration for her.

“And I must say that your brother Steven is my favorite Baldwin brother,” she countered, mentioning the outspoken conservative member of the Baldwin family.

http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/10/19/palin-appears-on-saturday-night-live-the-real-palin/

[fuldstændigamok]

Fucking classic -- awesome response by her, too...

pretty funny stuff.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/18/sarah-palin-on-snl-with-t_n_135887.html

[smith42687]

Yeah, I think their campaign has be fucking thrilled with how that went last night. She could have walked into a landmine, but Michaels knows Palin single handed-ly saved his ass and the entire show. Extremely well played by all members, nobody got shit on, nobody looked invincible, well done.

And I'm hating Marky Mark more and more every day. Looking at his career, it's been all downhill since Boogie Nights. I heard Max Payne had a shitty ending.

[Feng]

I heard Max Payne had a shitty ending.

I heard Max Payne had a shitty star!

[hatepoppy]

i heard max payne was a shitty premise for a movie.

[vasili denisov]

How John McCain came to pick Sarah Palin. (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/10/27/081027fa_fact_mayer)

[smahoo]

And McCain is a Manchurian candidate with early onset Alzheimer's and dementia, who's one loud noise away from suffering a massive heart attack and stroke. And then his running mate is the dumbest person in the world incapable of thought and she's a mindnumb religious zealot, who loves to kill animals and hates Mother Earth.

finally we can agree on something rover.

[}{arlequin]

http://i36.tinypic.com/x5pc1k.jpg

[VoxAngelikus]

Oy, Miss Palin! :)

http://i38.tinypic.com/2wn1wut.jpg

[Mustard]

That can't be real... right?

[Kerjack]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say no... dummy.

[The Batman]

That can't be real... right?

we always have hope....

[Mustard]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say no... dummy.
But... but, it could be plausible... meh, whateva.

[Kerjack]

You think her daughter took the picture?

[Mustard]

You think her daughter took the picture?
Anything is possible.

[VoxAngelikus]

If that really is her then the race might get a little closer.

Boobs = Popularity.

[taters]

I dont know if it was already answered in the thread, by why does she talk like a fucking North Dakotan with a dick in their mouth?

[Desperado]

No comment...


Palin ignores her own Pakistan remark while criticizing Obama (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/21/palin-ignores-her-own-pakistan-remark-while-criticizing-obama/)
Posted: 02:34 PM ET

From CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/tag/cnn-political-producer-peter-hamby/)
RENO, Nevada (CNN) — Sarah Palin’s pointed criticism of Barack Obama’s foreign policy agenda Tuesday morning included a swipe at Obama’s stated commitment to strike at terrorists inside Pakistan’s borders if they are in the sights of the American military.
“Senator Obama has also advocated sending our U.S. military into Pakistan without the approval of the Pakistani government,” Palin said. “Invading the sovereign territory of a troubled partner in the war against terrorism.”
But Palin herself has advocated the same approach.
Palin told a voter at a retail stop in Philadelphia in September that the United States should “absolutely” cross the border into Pakistan to hunt terrorists, a statement that appeared to contradict John McCain's preference to negotiate with the Pakistani government first, or at the very least, to not publicly announce such a strategy.
At Tony Luke’s cheesesteaks in South Philadelphia, Temple University graduate student Michael Rovito asked the vice presidential candidate several questions about United States foreign policy towards Pakistan.
“So we do cross border, like from Afghanistan to Pakistan you think?” Rovito asked.
"If that’s what we have to do stop the terrorists from coming any further in, absolutely, we should," Palin responded, before moving on to greet other voters.

In an interview with CBS’s Katie Couric several days later, Palin re-iterated that “we will do what we have to do to secure the United States of America and her allies.”
When Couric asked John McCain, seated next to Palin in the interview, if that was “something you shouldn’t say out loud,” McCain said, “Of course not.”
Even though Palin was talking to a voter at a campaign stop organized by her campaign, both Palin and McCain dismissed the caught-on-camera exchange with Rovito as “gotcha journalism.”

[smahoo]

just further proof of her incompetency

[Claibo]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3145/2816574237_9e3470493a_o.jpg

[Mustard]

I have concluded that the only reason now to listen to Sarah Palin is to try to determine how unbelievably stupid she really is, because there is a really good chance that her simply remarkable ability to be both ignorant and contradictory at the same time, about everything she talks about, will cost the GOP ticket more in terms of credibility for the next 20 years than anything else short of getting up on stage and taking a huge shit all over the flag while sipping a mimosa, reading the Koran, and then praising Allah while also shouting death to America.

Sarah Palin is the absolute worst pick for high office ever in the history of the US, which is a hard feat to beat considering Dubya only happened eight years ago. Picking Gov. Palin over the guy he wanted (Joe Lieberman) or even a solid choice like Mitt Romney will haunt John McCain for whatever amount of years he has left, as he will always be asking himself "what if"? As a human being, I feel rather sad and sorry for him. As an American, I'm glad he made arguably the single worst choice in his long and illustrious career by picking Sarah Palin. He might have actually been able to win with Lieberman or Romney... but even if he didn't win, at least he would still have his dignity, and people like me would not be seriously questioning his professional judgment for the rest of his career.

[Morfin]

I have concluded that the only reason now to listen to Sarah Palin is to try to determine how unbelievably stupid she really is, because there is a really good chance that her simply remarkable ability to be both ignorant and contradictory at the same time, about everything she talks about, will cost the GOP ticket more in terms of credibility for the next 20 years than anything else short of getting up on stage and taking a huge shit all over the flag while sipping a mimosa, reading the Koran, and then praising Allah while also shouting death to America.


I'm with ya most of the way, but when you add in the mimosa, well, now you're just bein' silly.

[Mustard]

Yeah, that was a last minute addition. I really felt it was a tad over the top...

[Desperado]

Here you go, she apologizes for being an idiot!!!


Palin apologizes for patriot 'pro-America areas' comment (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/21/palin-apologizes-for-patriot-pro-america-areas-comment/)
Posted: 04:31 PM ET
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/10/21/art.palin.countryfirst.jpg Palin apologized Tuesday for making the 'pro-America areas' comment.

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/corner_wire_BL.gif

(CNN) – Republican vice presidential nominee Gov. Sarah Palin apologized Tuesday for any misunderstanding that resulted when she referred last week to the patriotic values of "the real America" and the "pro-America areas of this great nation."
Democrats and others immediately criticized Palin, alleging she was saying that some part of the country are more patriotic than others.
Palin denied that was her intention in an interview with CNN on Tuesday.
"I don't want that misunderstood," Palin said. "If that's the way it came across, I apologize."
Speaking at a fund-raiser in North Carolina, the Alaska governor said: "We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard-working, very patriotic, um, very, um, pro-America areas of this great nation."

[jasonclark]

Just a question... not looking for an argument.

So when Obama does become president, and I think we can all conclude that unless a ton of people who openly root for Obama, vote for McCain behind the curtain, he will be our next president, will people make fun of him and start saying we shouldn't have voted for him 6 months into his campaign if gas doesn't continue to go down or the Stock Market doesn't go back up?

I think we judge our Presidents too harshly. In some countries, what we do on Fox/CNN would be treason.

[Desperado]

Just a question... not looking for an argument.


I think we judge our Presidents too harshly. In some countries, what we do on Fox/CNN would be treason.

Thats the great thing about living in America, that exact ability to criticize our president without the fear of being prosecuted unjustly...

[Yelram]

Just a question... not looking for an argument.

So when Obama does become president, and I think we can all conclude that unless a ton of people who openly root for Obama, vote for McCain behind the curtain, he will be our next president, will people make fun of him and start saying we shouldn't have voted for him 6 months into his campaign if gas doesn't continue to go down or the Stock Market doesn't go back up?

I think we judge our Presidents too harshly. In some countries, what we do on Fox/CNN would be treason.

Its only treason if the person being judged is a democrat.

[Desperado]

Its only treason if the person being judged is a democrat.


Its funny you say that hahaha...


Congressman admits saying, 'Liberals hate real Americans' (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/21/congressman-admits-saying-liberals-hate-real-americans/)
Posted: 05:24 PM ET

From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/tag/cnn-ticker-producer-alexander-mooney/)
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/10/21/art.hayes.ap.jpg Hayes is facing a tough reelection race.

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/corner_wire_BL.gif

(CNN) — A North Carolina congressman locked in a tight re-election race admitted Tuesday to recently telling a crowd of John McCain supporters that "liberals hate real Americans," the latest in a string of comments from Republicans that appear to question Democrats' patriotism.
Rep. Robin Hayes, a five-term Republican who has been heavily targeted by Democrats this election cycle, first denied making the remarks, but conceded Monday afternoon that he was accurately quoted.
"After reading it, there is no doubt that it came out completely the wrong way," Hayes said. “I actually was trying to work to keep the crowd as respectful as possible, so this is definitely not what I intended."

The comments came at a McCain rally in Concord, North Carolina Saturday before the Arizona senator or members of his staff had arrived at the event. As first reported by the New York Observer, Hayes said, "Liberals hate real Americans that work and achieve and believe in God."

[Axel]

Its only treason if the person being judged is a democrat.Dude, it’s not that anybody ever doubted about your sanity, but you don’t seem to bother yourself overly with reality, right?

[Desperado]

Old news, however it does have some new info.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081021/ap_on_el_pr/palin_family_travel
AP INVESTIGATION: Alaska funded Palin kids' travel

ANCHORAGE, Alaska – Gov. Sarah Palin charged the state for her children to travel with her, including to events where they were not invited, and later amended expense reports to specify that they were on official business.
The charges included costs for hotel and commercial flights for three daughters to join Palin to watch their father in a snowmobile race, and a trip to New York, where the governor attended a five-hour conference and stayed with 17-year-old Bristol for five days and four nights in a luxury hotel.
In all, Palin has charged the state $21,012 for her three daughters' 64 one-way and 12 round-trip commercial flights since she took office in December 2006. In some other cases, she has charged the state for hotel rooms for the girls.
Alaska law does not specifically address expenses for a governor's children. The law allows for payment of expenses for anyone conducting official state business.
As governor, Palin justified having the state pay for the travel of her daughters — Bristol, 17; Willow, 14; and Piper, 7 — by noting on travel forms that the girls had been invited to attend or participate in events on the governor's schedule.
But some organizers of these events said they were surprised when the Palin children showed up uninvited, or said they agreed to a request by the governor to allow the children to attend.
Several other organizers said the children merely accompanied their mother and did not participate. The trips enabled Palin, whose main state office is in the capital of Juneau, to spend more time with her children.
"She said any event she can take her kids to is an event she tries to attend," said Jennifer McCarthy, who helped organize the June 2007 Family Day Celebration picnic in Ketchikan that Piper attended with her parents.
State Finance Director Kim Garnero told The Associated Press she has not reviewed the Palins' travel expense forms, so she could not say whether the daughters' travel with their mother would meet the definition of official business.
After Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain chose Palin his running mate and reporters asked for the records, Palin ordered changes to previously filed expense reports for her daughters' travel.
In the amended reports, Palin added phrases such as "First Family attending" and "First Family invited" to explain the girls' attendance.
"The governor said, 'I want the purpose and the reason for this travel to be clear,'" said Linda Perez, state director of administrative services.
When Palin released her family's tax records as part of her vice presidential campaign, some tax experts questioned why she did not report the children's state travel reimbursements as income.
The Palins released a review by a Washington attorney who said state law allows the children's travel expenses to be reimbursed and not taxed when they conduct official state business.


Taylor Griffin, a McCain-Palin campaign spokesman, said Palin followed state policy allowing governors to charge for their children's travel. He said the governor's office has invitations requesting the family to attend some events, but he said he did not have them to provide.
In October 2007, Palin brought daughter Bristol along on a trip to New York for a women's leadership conference. Plane tickets from Anchorage to La Guardia Airport for $1,385.11 were billed to the state, records show, and mother and daughter shared a room for four nights at the $707.29-per-night Essex House hotel, which overlooks Central Park.
The event's organizers said Palin asked if she could bring her daughter.

Alexis Gelber, who organized Newsweek's Third Annual Women & Leadership Conference, said she does not know how Bristol ended up attending. Gelber said invitees usually attend alone, but some ask if they can bring a relative or friend.
Griffin, the campaign spokesman, said he believes someone with the event personally sent an e-mail to Bristol inviting her, but he did not have it to provide. Records show Palin also met with Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Goldman Sachs representatives and visited the New York Stock Exchange.
In January, the governor, Willow and Piper showed up at the Alaska Symphony of Seafood Buffet, an Anchorage gala to announce winners of an earlier seafood competition.
"She was just there," said James Browning, executive director of Alaska Fisheries Development Foundation, which runs the event. Griffin said the governor's office received an invitation that was not specifically addressed to anyone.
When Palin amended her children's expense reports, she listed a role for the two girls at the function — "to draw two separate raffle tickets."
In the original travel form, Palin listed a number of events that her children attended and said they were there "in official capacity helping." She did not identify any specific roles for the girls.
In July, the governor charged the state $2,741.26 to take Bristol and Piper to Philadelphia for a meeting of the National Governors Association. The girls had their own room for five nights at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel for $215.46 a night, expense records show.
Expense forms describe the girls' official purpose as "NGA Governor's Youth Programs and family activities." But those programs were activities designed to keep children busy, a service provided by the NGA
to accommodate governors and their families, NGA spokeswoman Jodi Omear said.
In addition to the commercial flights, the children have traveled dozens of times with Palin on a state plane. For these flights, the total cost of operating the plane, at $971 an hour, was about $55,000, according to state flight logs. The cost of operating the state plane does not increase when the children join their mother.
The organizer of an American Heart Association luncheon on Feb. 15 in Fairbanks said Palin asked to bring daughter Piper to the event, and the organizer said she was surprised when Palin showed up with daughter Willow and Bristol as well.
The three Palin daughters shared a room separate from their mother at the Princess Lodge in Fairbanks for two nights, at a cost to the state of $129 per night.
The luncheon took place before Palin's husband, Todd, finished fourth in the 2,000-mile Iron Dog snowmobile race, also in Fairbanks. The family greeted him at the finish line.
When Palin showed up at the luncheon with not just Piper but also Willow and Bristol, organizers had to scramble to make room at the main table, said Janet Bartels, who set up the event.
"When it's the governor, you just make it happen," she said.
The state is already reviewing nearly $17,000 in per diem payments to Palin for more than 300 nights she slept at her own home, 40 miles from her satellite office in Anchorage.
Tony Knowles, a Democratic former governor of Alaska who lost to Palin in a 2006 bid to reclaim the job, said he never charged the state for his three children's commercial flights or claimed their travel as official state business.
Knowles, who was governor from 1994 to 2002, is the only other recent Alaska governor who had school-age children while in office.
"There was no valid reason for the children to be along on state business," said Knowles, a supporter of Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama. "I cannot recall any instance during my eight years as governor where it would have been appropriate to claim they performed state business."
Knowles said he brought his children to one NGA event while in office but didn't charge the state for their trip.
In February 2007, the three girls flew from Juneau to Anchorage on Alaska Airlines. Palin charged the state for the $519.30 round-trip ticket for each girl, and noted on the expense form that the daughters accompanied her to "open the start of the Iron Dog race."
The children and their mother then watched as Todd Palin and other racers started the competition, which Todd won that year. Palin later had the relevant expense forms changed to describe the girls' business as "First Family official starter for the start of the Iron Dog race."
The Palins began charging the state for commercial flights after the governor kept a 2006 campaign promise to sell a jet bought by her predecessor. Palin put the jet up for sale on eBay, a move she later trumpeted in her star-making speech at the Republican National Convention, and it was ultimately sold by the state at a loss.

[kid_vidrio]

You think her daughter took the picture?
Actually, I took the picture.
That's my buddy, Lee Harvey. We were in the City the other night at this bar and, well, let me just tell you that when she's out of Alaska, it's more like Cougar Bare a Cooter than Sarah Barracuda.

[eleveneighteen]

I dont know if it was already answered in the thread, by why does she talk like a fucking North Dakotan with a dick in their mouth?

You mean there is some other type of North Dakotan?

[kid_vidrio]

This must be killing her.
After all, she's an 'outsider' bent on bringing change, yet she's being forced to dress for the occasion and hang out in establishment stores like Neiman's. Just brutal. The bullets she's taking to have a shot at making un-America America again. (cue God Bless America with photo montage of Sarah on the catwalk.)
WASHINGTON (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Washington) - Lipstick isn't the only difference between America (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/United+States)'s top hockey mom and a pit bull.
Sarah Palin (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Sarah+Palin) also has a spectacular new wardrobe, and Republican campaign donors picked up the breathtaking tab.
The Republican National Committee (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Republican+National+Committee) spent $150,000 on clothing and accessories for the vice presidential candidate and her family since early September, according to a report by the Politico (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Politico.com) Web site.
At Saks Fifth Avenue (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Saks+Inc.) stores in Manhattan (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Manhattan) and St. Louis (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/St.+Louis), the RNC paid for $49,425.74 in Palin apparel, the report said, citing financial disclosure records.
There also was a $75,062.63 shopping spree at Neiman Marcus (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/The+Neiman+Marcus+Group+Inc.) in Minneapolis (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Minneapolis), where the Palins stayed during the Republican National Convention (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Republican+National+Convention) last month; $9.447.71 at Macy's (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Macy%27s+Inc.) in Minneapolis; and $5,102.71 at Bloomingdale's (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Bloomingdale%27s+Inc.) in New York (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/New+York).
That much cash can buy a closet full of the pumps, hot red leather jackets and form-fitting business suits for the Alaska (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Alaska) governor to wear on the stump
Another $4,716.49 on hair and makeup came from the GOP (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/U.S.+Republican+Party) while wooing "Joe Six-Pack" to vote for John McCain (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/John+McCain), the records showed. And more than $5,000 went to a men's store and a baby clothing store

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/10/21/2008-10-21_rnc_spends_thousands_on_dresses_makeup_f.html

[jasonclark]

Thats the great thing about living in America, that exact ability to criticize our president without the fear of being prosecuted unjustly...

I agree with what you're saying, I just get tired of hearing everyone bash the president no matter what he does.

Clinton was bashed not long after being voted in, and once he was gone, it didn't take 6 months to start bashing Bush. If Gore had won, we'd bash him. It's like SNL already has material ready no matter who wins.

For SNL's sake, they better hope Palin does get in the White House. No one watched that crap until 30 Rock chick started doing Palin. That's funny stuff!

[Pharon]

This must be killing her.
After all, she's an 'outsider' bent on bringing change, yet she's being forced to dress for the occasion and hang out in establishment stores like Neiman's. Just brutal. The bullets she's taking to have a shot at making un-America America again. (cue God Bless America with photo montage of Sarah on the catwalk.)
Is it legal for this stuff to be picked up by the campaign? I thought during the primaries, John Edwards and Hillary Clinton got tons of shit for expensing $400 haircuts. Am I missing something here??

[Archangel]

Thats the great thing about living in America, that exact ability to criticize our president without the fear of being prosecuted unjustly...

Yeah, because in Europe, criticising Merkel or Sarkozy will have you flogged in public square.

[kid_vidrio]

Is it legal for this stuff to be picked up by the campaign? I thought during the primaries, John Edwards and Hillary Clinton got tons of shit for expensing $400 haircuts. Am I missing something here??
I'm sure it's legal - why not? If not from the RNC, there is nothing illegal about loans, gifts, and donations from fans. My issue is with the hockey mom from the outside, supporting an anti-elitist position to represent joe sixpack and all that garbage, suddenly her Alaskan clothes aren't good enough.

Sure, there is all the 'have to get elected' rhetoric, but who is she pandering to? Why does she have to look great to get middle America's vote? Oh, wait, you mean they respect well dressed, well spoken people? As long as they didn't go to Harvard, right? Or drink a latte?

Ninja...Please! Not to digress, but her latest bit about BO passing on Hillary and the glass cieling - because she was qualified and got 18 million votes....does that mean there is a glass cieling on Baptist ministers too?

She is so full of shit, it really hurts. Will she get a reality show? Will she be back in 2012? Only time will tell.

[Morfin]

Yeah, because in Europe, criticising Merkel or Sarkozy will have you flogged in public square.

Goddamn Euro-flogs.

[Desperado]

Yeah, because in Europe, criticising Merkel or Sarkozy will have you flogged in public square.

I was thinking more of China, or any Islamic run country.

[Limp]

I was thinking more of China, or any Islamic run country.
Europe is run by Islam numbnuts.

[jasonclark]

I was thinking more of China, or any Islamic run country.

That's more of what I was thinking as well.

[smahoo]

Palin to give deposition on Friday

ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Gov. Sarah Palin, already found by one investigation to have abused her power, will take time from her campaign for vice president Friday to give a deposition in a second inquiry into her firing of the state's top public safety official.

It will be the first deposition in the affair by the Republican vice presidential candidate. She wasn't subpoenaed to answer questions in an investigation by the state Legislature, though her husband, Todd, gave an affidavit in that probe.

The Legislature's investigator, former Anchorage prosecutor Stephen Branchflower, found that Palin violated ethics laws in attempts to get her former brother-in-law, a state trooper, fired. The trooper, Mike Wooten, had gone through a contentious divorce with Palin's sister. But Branchflower found Palin was within her right to fire Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27308576/

things are really unravelling for the McCain campaign

[jasonclark]

Yeah, it would appear that the "shock" factor has run it's course with choosing Palin.

Is it possible for a Presidential Nominee to drop one running mate in order to pick up another? Like can McCain say, "agh hell, I don't want Palin any more. I choose...."

Or would he get slammed more for that than he already is?

[Morfin]

Yes, it is. Thanks for asking.

Sincerely,
Thomas Eagleton.

[heelsguy]

This must be killing her.
After all, she's an 'outsider' bent on bringing change, yet she's being forced to dress for the occasion and hang out in establishment stores like Neiman's. Just brutal. The bullets she's taking to have a shot at making un-America America again. (cue God Bless America with photo montage of Sarah on the catwalk.)

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/10/21/2008-10-21_rnc_spends_thousands_on_dresses_makeup_f.html


who cares? ok, so she could have gotten less expensive outfits, but because she was going to be on national television basically every single day from sept. 1st until election day, staffers go get a bunch of expensive outfits for her and let her choose what she likes? so what? did obama pay for his $1500.00 suit from hart marx with his own money? men can own a dark grey, a solid navy, and some pinstripes in each and they only then have to wear different ties to look different. women have it much tougher. it is just the way it is.
MSNBC said all of these will be donated to charities post-election anyway.

[jasonclark]

Fuck charities... we give too much already! My tax dollars go to the charity of welfare every payday!

[Morfin]

Fine. The dresses will go to you. Wear them with pride.

[jasonclark]

That's what I'm talking about!!! And then I can put them on Ebay and get paid!

[bodybuilder24]

link (http://beldar.blogs.com/beldarblog/2008/06/review-kaylene.html) (Revue of biography written in June 2008)

excerpts of the revue. The revuer is entirely pro-McCain and it seems that the biography is entirely pro-Palin, so I take this as just one side of the story.

After reading that I want to not only read the book, but in 4 year I could easily vote for her for President.

For giggles, here's a link to the book on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Sarah-Turned-Alaskas-Political-Establishment/dp/0979047080/&tag=thecooperunionam)

I was thinking about buying this book. Have you read it, yet?

[Archangel]

who cares? ok, so she could have gotten less expensive outfits, but because she was going to be on national television basically every single day from sept. 1st until election day, staffers go get a bunch of expensive outfits for her and let her choose what she likes? so what? did obama pay for his $1500.00 suit from hart marx with his own money? men can own a dark grey, a solid navy, and some pinstripes in each and they only then have to wear different ties to look different. women have it much tougher. it is just the way it is.
MSNBC said all of these will be donated to charities post-election anyway.

I wonder whether Republicans take the same tone when their womenfolk buy an expensive new dress for themselves.

[Desperado]

who cares? ok, so she could have gotten less expensive outfits, but because she was going to be on national television basically every single day from sept. 1st until election day, staffers go get a bunch of expensive outfits for her and let her choose what she likes? so what? did obama pay for his $1500.00 suit from hart marx with his own money? men can own a dark grey, a solid navy, and some pinstripes in each and they only then have to wear different ties to look different. women have it much tougher. it is just the way it is.
MSNBC said all of these will be donated to charities post-election anyway.

I personally dont give a shit, but i guess some repubs do....


Republicans Disgusted By RNC Spending On Palin

22 Oct 2008 12:07 am
"With all of the important issues facing the country right now, it's remarkable that we're spending time talking about pantsuits and blouses. It was always the intent that the clothing go to a charitable purpose after the campaign." --McCain-Palin spokesperson Tracey Schmitt on this Politico story (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.html).

There is already an attempt to blame the media -- as in, the liberal media would have looked askance at Palin if she wasn't clad in Neiman Marcus, but this won't wash. Republicans, RNC donors and at least one RNC staff member have e-mailed me tonight to share their utter (and not-for-attribution) disgust at the expenditures.

This sort of spending is without precedent -- the closest approximation for any campaign I've ever covered is make-up expenses for television interviews and commercial shoots -- , and Schmitt's weakly defensive response tonight indicates that the campaign is deeply embarrassed by it and has nothing to say in their defense. Spokespeople have clammed up, a sure sign that they're trying to figure out who authorized the expenses and who knew about them. Did Palin wear all of the clothing? Where is it kept?

The Democrats are going to have a lot more fun with this than is prudent, but the heat for this story will come from Republicans who cannot understand how their party would do something this stupid ... particularly (and, it must be said, viewed etroactively) during the collapse of the financial system and the probable beginning of a recession.



http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/republicans_disgusted_by_rnc_s.php

[Archangel]

Obama should get an endorsement deal with Jordan. Would work both ways, too.

[Da Raider]

Yes, it is. Thanks for asking.

Sincerely,
Thomas Eagleton.

Seriously, what's wrong with a little shock therapy and checking into a mental institution a couple of times?

[smahoo]

Palin at her rally in Reno, 10/21

http://blog.newsweek.com/photos/gagglepix/images/735358/original.aspx

Guess the scarf with the symbol of the DEMOCRATIC Party was on sale at Nieman's.

Can they really be this stupid......

[eleveneighteen]

How 'bout it GMF...
Are you smarter than a third grader?





from CNN:

Palin takes heat for saying VP 'in charge' of the Senate
Posted: 12:04 PM ET

From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

Watch Palin's comments on KUSA Wednesday.

(CNN) – Sarah Palin is taking heat Wednesday for appearing to overstate the role of vice president, saying in a recent interview that she would be "in charge of the Senate" should John McCain win the White House.

The comments came in an interview with Colorado TV station KUSA in response to a third-grader's question, "What does the Vice President do?”

"[T]hey’re in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom," she said.

The comments have drawn criticism from Democrats and liberal blogs which note the actual role of the vice president when it comes to the Senate is simply to cast a tie-breaking vote in the event of a stalemate. According to Article I of the U.S. Constitution, the vice president is the "President" of the Senate, but has no executive position when it comes to presiding over the chamber.

Donald Ritchie, a historian in the Senate Historical Office told CNN that Palin's comment was an "overstatement" of what her role would be.

"The vice president is the ceremonial officer of the Senate and has certain ceremonial functions including swearing in new senators and can vote to break a tie," he said. "It’s a relatively limited role. It's evolved into a neutral presiding officer of the Senate.

Ritchie also noted recent vice presidents have played a behind-the-scenes lobbying role on Capitol Hill for an administration's policies, but called it "somewhat limited."

"It's not comparable to the Speaker of the House who is certainly in charge of the House," he said. "The slogan that political scientists use is that the House is ruled by the chair and the Senate is ruled by the floor…the senators are in charge of the Senate."

Maria Comella, a spokeswoman for Palin, said the Alaska governor was simply answering the question in a way a third-grader could understand.

"Governor Palin was responding to a third grader's inquiry," she said. "She was explaining in terms a third-grader could understand that the vice-president is also president of the U.S. Senate."

In an interview with CBS earlier this month, Democratic VP candidate Joe Biden also said he hoped to play an influential role in the legislative branch if Barack Obama wins the White House.

"I hope one of my roles as vice president will be as the person actually implementing Barack Obama's policy. You gotta get the Congress to go along with it," he said. "And it's presumptuous to say, but I know it pretty well. And I think I am fairly respected on both sides of the aisle."

source link:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/22/palin-takes-heat-for-saying-vp-in-charge-of-the-senate/

[fuldstændigamok]

For all the people critisizing Europe and their supposed hatred of America, you got it all wrong. How could we hate you? You offered us 8 years of constant laugh with dumbfuck and there, just when we were getting a bid sad, knowing that he will disappear forever from our news, and that, NEVER, someone as consistantly funny and stupid will pop up again, you give us Palin. Thank you america, thank you so much.

[jasonclark]

I have a feeling you only have about 2 weeks more of Palin... after November 4th, you won't see her again.

[heelsguy]

For all the people critisizing Europe and their supposed hatred of America, you got it all wrong. How could we hate you? You offered us 8 years of constant laugh with dumbfuck and there, just when we were getting a bid sad, knowing that he will disappear forever from our news, and that, NEVER, someone as consistantly funny and stupid will pop up again, you give us Palin. Thank you america, thank you so much.


you're welcome, europe!!

it's the least we could do after all the laughter your continent has given us all these decades.

[fuldstændigamok]

you're welcome, europe!!

it's the least we could do after all the laughter your continent has given us all these decades.

Good thing you didn't use the word centuries, eh!

[Archangel]

you're welcome, europe!!

it's the least we could do after all the laughter your continent has given us all these decades.

Yeah, the same way all the Palin fanboys laugh at people who can read.

[heelsguy]

Good thing you didn't use the word centuries, eh!


well, before television, it took long for a european joke to make it all the way to america! hence, my choosing "decades".

but napoleon WAS a funny fucker!

[Gary_Busey]

I search YouTube for Palin clips. They crack me up.

[Axel]

I guess she misunderstood instructions: instead of appearing like Hillary to her devoted supporters, she appears hilarious.

[Archangel]

You know of whom I'm scared?


People who listen to her, and go, "yeah, man! She's right!".

Or basically anybody who takes anything she says seriously. That people like that should have the right and ability to put someone into a position of enormous power is positively spine-chilling.

[Gary_Busey]

This is one of my favorite clips. Here's her trying to play up to her "energy expert" role that the McCain campaign has bestowed upon her. I like how she throws in the word "molecules" because, you know, that's something an expert would say.

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[fuldstændigamok]

This is one of my favorite clips. Here's her trying to play up to her "energy expert" role that the McCain campaign has bestowed upon her. I like how she throws in the word "molecules" because, you know, that's something an expert would say.

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I know that my english sucks, but still, after viewing this clip 10 times, I haven't a clue of what she said.

[TheImpossibleMan]

Her primary tactics, when asked questions she doesn't understand/have an answer to are to draw the sentence lengths out (like, several paragraphs length) so that, by the time she stops talking you have lost track of the line of thought she was following, and also to saturate the response with minor asides, for the same reason.

[heelsguy]

Her primary tactics, when asked questions she doesn't understand/have an answer to are to draw the sentence lengths out (like, several paragraphs length) so that, by the time she stops talking you have lost track of the line of thought she was following, and also to saturate the response with minor asides, for the same reason.

what?



(ha ha)

[Archangel]

So all Palin supporters have ADD?

[TheImpossibleMan]

Hmmmm, who does this remind me of?

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I can't place my finger on who she reminds me of...

[TheImpossibleMan]

So all Palin supporters have ADD?
No, but when a person responds to a simple, direct question with a 500-words-yet-it's-a-single-sentence response that is loaded with asides and digressions, it's hard to remember everything said and the primary points made.

[Gary_Busey]

I know that my english sucks, but still, after viewing this clip 10 times, I haven't a clue of what she said.
Something about there's a demand for oil, congress shouldn't put an export ban on domestic oil, and the U.S. oil demands should be filled first with domestic oil before it's sold to other countries.....I think.

[fuldstændigamok]

Hmmmm, who does this remind me of?



I can't place my finger on who she reminds me of...

No, no. SHE'S NOT EVEN BLONDE!
No wonder women hate her.

[fuldstændigamok]

No, but when a person responds to a simple, direct question with a 500-words-yet-it's-a-single-sentence response that is loaded with asides and digressions, it's hard to remember everything said and the primary points made.

You mean, like Arch?

[fuldstændigamok]

Something about there's a demand for oil, congress shouldn't put an export ban on domestic oil, and the U.S. oil demands should be filled first with domestic oil before it's sold to other countries.....I think.

You forgot molecule. LOSER!

[Gary_Busey]

So all Palin supporters have ADD?
What TIM is trying to say is that she spews nonsensical bullshit. I compare it to what I used to do in grade school when I had to write a paper on a subject I didn't want to research.

[Gary_Busey]

You forgot molecule. LOSER!
I really don't know why she used the word "molecules" other than to try and sound smart.