VP Candidate Palin

[Morfin]

Something about there's a demand for oil, congress shouldn't put an export ban on domestic oil, and the U.S. oil demands should be filled first with domestic oil before it's sold to other countries.....I think.

You forgot the molecules. Mention the molecules.

[TheImpossibleMan]

Former aides for Palin from Alaska have attested to the fact that she doesn't cram; I believe one said "It isn't that she has a problem focusing, it's that she isn't interested in focusing". She had a reputation for showing up to meetings and saying 'Just give me the major bullet points and I'll run with it'. So it isn't surprising that when cornered on specifics she starts rambling and stuttering.

[Gary_Busey]

You forgot the molecules. Mention the molecules.
I can't, my bullshit interpretation skills aren't that advanced.

[fuldstændigamok]

Morfin...you're sloooooooooooooow

[Archangel]

I really don't know why she used the word "molecules" other than to try and sound smart.

That's like Face putting on a jockstrap to look athletic.

[Morfin]

LALALALALA Will NOT create visual image. NO. NO. NO. Gotta think of something else. Pancakes. And kittens. Pretty things. Bluebirds. LALALALALA. Will not think of Face in a jock. Damn. Fuck. <Morfin gouges out eyes.>

[NOTKyle]

CONSPIRACY THEORY

The Republican's knew that McCain wasn't going to win against the unstoppable power that is Obama, so they made the decision for McCain to use Palin as his running mate. They did this to get her into the national spotlight, and to begin to groom her for 8-12 years from now, when she'll be running as president. There were 2 or 3 other well qualified female republican senators, none of which were as religious or uber-republican as m'bitch Sarah.

The end.

[Axel]

If that isn't a classic than it don't know what it is:

L8__aXxXPVc

[vasili denisov]

Do you think you're intellectual?
Sarah: Yehhh-sss.

http://thepage.time.com/more-from-the-palins-interview-with-people/

[Smokestack]

Not that it needs to be repeated but this really is the worst job of vetting a running mate ever. In fact, she's the fucking anti-maverick, she is (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.html):

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) _ Gov. Sarah Palin charged the state for her children to travel with her, including to events where they were not invited, and later amended expense reports to specify that they were on official business.
The charges included costs for hotel and commercial flights for three daughters to join Palin to watch their father in a snowmobile race, and a trip to New York, where the governor attended a five-hour conference and stayed with 17-year-old Bristol for five days and four nights in a luxury hotel.
In all, Palin has charged the state $21,012 for her three daughters' 64 one-way and 12 round-trip commercial flights since she took office in December 2006. In some other cases, she has charged the state for hotel rooms for the girls.
Alaska law does not specifically address expenses for a governor's children. The law allows for payment of expenses for anyone conducting official state business.
As governor, Palin justified having the state pay for the travel of her daughters — Bristol, 17; Willow, 14; and Piper, 7 — by noting on travel forms that the girls had been invited to attend or participate in events on the governor's schedule.
But some organizers of these events said they were surprised when the Palin children showed up uninvited, or said they agreed to a request by the governor to allow the children to attend.
Several other organizers said the children merely accompanied their mother and did not participate. The trips enabled Palin, whose main state office is in the capital of Juneau, to spend more time with her children.
"She said any event she can take her kids to is an event she tries to attend," said Jennifer McCarthy, who helped organize the June 2007 Family Day Celebration picnic in Ketchikan that Piper attended with her parents.

[Pharon]

7DIc8jdra0o

[Desperado]

Hey look!!! One pretty idiot helping another!


View co-host hitting the trail (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/23/view-co-host-hitting-the-trail/)
Posted: 12:52 PM ET
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/10/23/art.view.cnn.jpg Hasselbeck is set to hit the campaign trail.

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/corner_wire_BL.gif

(CNN) – Elizabeth Hasselbeck, the lone conservative on the daytime talk-show "The View," is set to campaign with Republican VP candidate Sarah Palin this weekend.
Hasselbeck, who often clashes with her co-hosts over the presidential election, said Thursday the Alaska governor had asked her to participate in a weekend rally in Florida.
"Governor Palin asked me to be with her this Sunday to introduce her at the rallies in Florida and I am more than honored to be there," Hasselbeck said. "So I will be flying there to travel with her and meet some pretty interesting people, I have a feeling. So that's an honor, I am excited to do it, and I'll have some stories on Monday."
Palin is set to campaign in Iowa, Indiana, and Florida this weekend.
Hasselbeck has engaged in repeated arguments with co-hosts Whoopi Goldberg, Joy Behar, and Sherri Shepherd on-air over the presidential candidates, especially after the show's unexpectedly hard-hitting interview with John McCain last month.

[Archangel]

I wonder, is anybody SMART backing the GOP ticket anymore?

[Morfin]

Yes, Hillary Clinton.

[Limp]

You must have missed the 'SMART' part of hi question.

[Claibo]

I wonder, is anybody SMART backing the GOP ticket anymore?

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:yeFPJ1ais-FihM:http://sistasmiff.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/hannity_sean.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://sistasmiff.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/hannity_sean.jpg&imgrefurl=http://sistasmiff.wordpress.com/2008/02/17/look-alikes-part-deux/&h=450&w=350&sz=41&hl=en&start=1&um=1&usg=__ounmkxVUy4gzDzEtSudWAC95W14=&tbnid=yeFPJ1ais-FihM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=99&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsean%2Bhannity%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den)

(not spam)

[machwa]

I wonder, is anybody SMART backing the GOP ticket anymore?

Simple answer...no.

[Deadhead Derek]

I wonder, is anybody SMART backing the GOP ticket anymore?

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:yeFPJ1ais-FihM:http://sistasmiff.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/hannity_sean.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://sistasmiff.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/hannity_sean.jpg&imgrefurl=http://sistasmiff.wordpress.com/2008/02/17/look-alikes-part-deux/&h=450&w=350&sz=41&hl=en&start=1&um=1&usg=__ounmkxVUy4gzDzEtSudWAC95W14=&tbnid=yeFPJ1ais-FihM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=99&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsean%2Bhannity%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den)

(not spam)you REALLY didn't read the qualifier, did you....

[Claibo]

you REALLY didn't read the qualifier, did you....


REALLY... no

[Deadhead Derek]

ok then...


now,..

clean your room...



drink your milk...



and another thing..

[Claibo]

ok then...


now,..

clean your room...



drink your milk...



and another thing..


WTF? I drink Jack Daniels only!

[G-Man]

McCain 08!

[Insomniac]

George Will?

[TheImpossibleMan]

McCain 08!
I find your ideas intriguing

and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

[Desperado]

I've said it before and ill say it again... she really is the gift that keeps on giving.


'Broadway' Palin guarantees PA victory

Posted: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:50 PM by Domenico Montanaro
Filed Under: 2008 (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/category/1023.aspx), Palin (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/category/1332.aspx)


From NBC/NJ's Matthew Berger
BEAVER, Pa. -- Palin took one from Joe Namath's playbook Thursday night, guaranteeing a win in Pennsylvania.
Augmenting her normal ode to “Joe the Plumber,” Palin used the rally on the Beaver High School football field to acknowledge Namath, one of the area’s most famous football players, who she dubbed “Joe the Quarterback.”
“Now Joe Namath is probably a little bit before your time,” Palin said. “But do you remember though in the biggest game of his life, all the experts had Joe Namath and the Jets written off to defeat?”
Making an analogy between the New York Jets' appearance in Super Bowl III to her view of the Obama campaign, Palin noted Namath was “up against the elite team that had all the money and they were held in awe by the media.”
“And Broadway Joe replied, ‘We’re gonna win the game, I guarantee it,’” she said. “And they won. And I hope Joe won’t mind if I paraphrase him some in this state, his home state. Pennsylvania, with your help, we’re going to win this state. I guarantee it.”
Namath grew up in nearby Beaver Falls, part of the same county as Beaver High School.
In what was dubbed a “pep rally,” Palin and her family walked out behind the Beaver Bobcats football team, and alongside coach Jeff Beltz, who gave the GOP ticket his personal endorsement.
“While allowing the Beaver football team to be a part of the national campaign this evening, the Republican Party is placing the understanding and value of local traditions,” Beltz said. “To me, the Republican committee has demonstrated that they understand the importance of the individual, the importance of tradition and the importance of consistency.”
Like the other candidates, Palin often campaigns at public schools, and with local pep bands and cheerleaders providing entertainment. But Beltz’s comments suggested the school district’s support.
“The Beaver Area School District is honored to celebrate our own gridiron accomplishments alongside this historical political race,” Beltz said. “As our Bobcats prepare for a playoff run, the … Republican Party gains momentum too.”

[Fletch]

In what was dubbed a “pep rally,” Palin and her family walked out behind the Beaver Bobcats football team, and alongside coach Jeff Beltz, who gave the GOP ticket his personal endorsement.Is this really what their campaign has come to, having high school football coaches endorsing them?

[freegood]

'Broadway' Palin guarantees PA victory

Only fags and elitists go to Broadway.

[Desperado]

Palin says...."LEAVE PALIN ALONE!!!", interesting part at the bottom regarding the campaign funds spending rules.


Palin denies accepting $150K in designer clothes



http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20081023/capt.5b7380213d4646ab9998a0d201f06b55.mccain_palin _2008_ohab107.jpg?x=213&y=162&xc=1&yc=1&wc=409&hc=311&q=100&sig=PdwRm1GzEAUK0n6yxU3ENg-- (http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Republican-presidential-candidate-Alaska-Gov-Sarah-Palin-Sen-John-McCain-Todd-Palin/photo//081023/480/5b7380213d4646ab9998a0d201f06b55//s:/ap/palin_clothing)AP – Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Republican vice presidential candidate …


ORMOND BEACH, Fla. – Sarah Palin is blaming gender bias for the controversy over $150,000 worth of designer clothes, hairstyling and accessories the Republican Party provided for her, a newspaper reported Thursday.
"I think Hillary Clinton was held to a different standard in her primary race," Palin said in an interview with the Chicago Tribune posted on the newspaper's Web site Thursday night. "Do you remember the conversations that took place about her, say superficial things that they don't talk about with men, her wardrobe and her hairstyles, all of that? That's a bit of that double standard."
Palin, who is John McCain's vice presidential running mate, said the clothes were not worth $150,000 and were bought for the Republican National Convention.
Most of the clothes have never left the campaign plane, she told the newspaper.
"It's kind of painful to be criticized for something when all the facts are not out there and are not reported," Palin said.
"That whole thing is just, bad!" she said. "Oh, if people only knew how frugal we are."
News of the purchases of designer clothes, largely from upscale Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus, contrasts with the image Palin has crafted as a typical "hockey mom."
McCain was asked several questions on Thursday about the shopping spree — and he answered each one more or less the same way: Palin needed clothes and they'll be donated to charity.
"She needed clothes at the time. They'll be donated at end of this campaign. They'll be donated to charity," McCain told reporters on his campaign bus between Florida rallies.
Asked for details on how they'll be donated, McCain said, "It works by her getting some clothes when she was made the nominee of the party and it will be donated back to charity."
Asked if he was surprised at the amount spent, McCain said, "It works that the clothes will be donated to charity. Nothing surprises me."
McCain offered no further comment, except to say that the Republican National Committee doesn't buy his clothes.
Also on Thursday, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics, a private watchdog group in Washington, filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission against Palin, the Republican National Committee and several political operatives alleging that the purchase of clothing for Palin and her family violates Federal Election Campaign Act.
The law prohibits a candidate for federal office from converting campaign funds to personal use. CREW notes that FEC regulations make clear the prohibition applies to clothing but also provide that donations by candidates to charity are not for personal use. CREW argued this exception might apply to Palin's clothes but doesn't appear to apply to clothes for her family.

[Archangel]

I wonder what the smart, literate, well-read people who have conservative ideals and used to vote for the party of Abraham Lincoln have got to be thinking right now.

I mean, the GOP is now basically the official party of NASCAR and the WWE.

[hatepoppy]

spend 150k just cuz. but its ok, bc theyre donating teh clothes to charity.

this is an abomination. spend 150k on resources worth essentially nothing in material, labor, and logistic costs. someone made 149k on these clothes that will be given away for free in a couple months.

sound like he handed 150k to someone because he felt like it to you?

[fuldstændigamok]

I mean, the GOP is now basically the official party of NASCAR and the WWE.

That's very insulting toward doors.
Jericho, too, but we don't care about that.

[hatepoppy]

I wonder what the smart, literate, well-read people who have conservative ideals and used to vote for the party of Abraham Lincoln have got to be thinking right now.

I mean, the GOP is now basically the official party of NASCAR and the WWE.
how so? are you sure that's not the image the media paints of republicans? all the republicans i know are old, northern, and conservative. nascar and WWE are both jokes to these people. i dont get it.

if youre saying that committing yourself to any one given party is the same as subjecting yourself to the tyranny of ignorance that is the entertainment industry, i can see the parallel. but i dont see otherwise how nascar and WWE have anything to do with republicans.

[Archangel]

That was my question: I know for a fact that there are a lot of smart conservatives out there - my uncle, for one, and many of my family's friends from Chicago - but the GOP rhetoric these days, especially from Mrs Palin, makes it look like their party is pandering almost exclusively to the redneck crowd.

I am wondering about how this dichotomy affects the aforementioned smart conservatives.

[fuldstændigamok]

Conservatives are dumb by essence. It's a natural cause.

[Archangel]

Not true; I've been a staunch Christian Democrat ever since I could vote.

[fuldstændigamok]

Go and be a new born socialist, my son, your life will change for the better.

[Archangel]

I'm not old enough to be your son, old timer, and I'd prefer castration to voting socialist.

[TheImpossibleMan]

I'd rather have balls and socialized healthcare than be no ballin' and have no medical coverage. Just sayin'.

The McCain-Palin ticket represents the Republican party well. A smart, older, intelligent, experienced person paired with a religious yahoo bumpkin.

[hatepoppy]

That was my question: I know for a fact that there are a lot of smart conservatives out there - my uncle, for one, and many of my family's friends from Chicago - but the GOP rhetoric these days, especially from Mrs Palin, makes it look like their party is pandering almost exclusively to the redneck crowd.

I am wondering about how this dichotomy affects the aforementioned smart conservatives.
many are upset, as is evidenced by the articles ive read criticizing mccain and palin for (pick one: campaign suspension, palin's selection, doubletalking 'reach-across-the-aisle' pandering).

ive encountered some that are just in denial. as part of the republican base, they wont allow themselves to see what is obvious; that no matter how loudly they call obama incompetent, their own candidate is no more (in fact, arguably less) qualified.

others are just dismissive. somehow, the term Democratic Smear Tactic has come up a time or two.

the base is not affected. but most of these are not your 'smart conservatives,' but blind clingers to guns and religion. half the smart gops have their head in the sand. the rest are agressively defending their candidates as though theyre being unreasonably attacked.

but really, how different would this dynamic be if mccain and palin had not displayed such gross incompetence? its my opinion that they just made themselves easier targets.

again, even with a strong candidate, the base is unmoved. smart conservatives have no reason to be in denial (about their candidate at least). the rest are going to agressively defend their candidates as though they are being unreasonably attacked, even if said attack was contrived.

so, i'm not sure the aforementioned dichotomy significantly affects any republicans. for just like always, the vote doesnt matter, the winner's already decided, it's all just a bickery little reality gameshow they put on every channel plus cable meant to make the individual think they have some semblance of control over national or world events.

[Rover]

That was my question: I know for a fact that there are a lot of smart conservatives out there - my uncle, for one, and many of my family's friends from Chicago - but the GOP rhetoric these days, especially from Mrs Palin, makes it look like their party is pandering almost exclusively to the redneck crowd.

I am wondering about how this dichotomy affects the aforementioned smart conservatives.The rhetoric is populism. The GOP message doesn't sound very good when it is pure populism. Because the populism in the GOP is based primarily on patriotism and, uh, I guess that's it. It's hard to make a case for your election with, "I'm more of a Patriot than anybody, and my opponent might not be." I think it's hard to make the case that anyone running for elective office isn't a patriot. Unlike Democrat populism, which can range from, "All the greedy rich people got rich on the backs of your labor." to "All the greedy rich people don't want you to be healthy." to "All the greedy rich people don't want you to have an education." The Democrats have a much broader range of issues from which to draw their populist message. Class warfare is easy for Democrats because it's been their message for a century. Republicans can't do it because they aren't that dishonest.

Johnny Mac is a populist. And he always has been. When a Republican rails against a "greedy Wall Street" the message sounds hollow because a Republican decrying capitalism is like a Democrat decrying some social welfare program.

How does it affect me as a conservative? I hate populism. I hate it more when the GOP does it. I don't like McCain; I never have. But I think Obama is wrong. Wrong on foreign policy. Wrong on domestic policy. I believe he doesn't have faith in capitalism. So, I'll vote for McCain. I won't like it, but I'll vote for him. If he loses, I'll be glad, somewhat. Glad, that this election has finally driven the weak Repubicans away, and shown that the base of the GOP is in the conservatives. I'll be concerned that it'll take a couple of decades to fix what Bush and Obama will fuck up, but at least the moderate/liberals won't be in charge of the Republican party.

As far as Palin goes, I don't think you can blame her for pandering to the "redneck" crowd. Her message is McCain's message. She doesn't control the message of the campaign. He does. The problem is that McCain hasn't had a message for his campaign since the GOP primaries. So, she's sent out to pander to whatever crowd there is, "Obama hates your guns, hates your God, hates you." Which is fine for a populist message, as long as it augments an actual message.

This is what makes George W. Bush such a formidable campaigner. He was able to run with a Conservative message and have some Populism mixed in. I realize Bush didn't govern as a Conservative, but he certainly did run like one.

Bush, in 2004, ran an absolutely perfect campaign and crushed the Democrats. He did it with a strong message that he never waivered on. I wonder what a campaign between Bush and Obama would be like. It certainly would be more interesting than the current campaign. Bush certainly wouldn't pull any punches with Obama's character like McCain has.

Personally, I see Palin being able to run a campaign more like Bush. We'll find out in a couple of years because she'll be on the national scene for years to come. I realize you think that she's a moron and completely reflective of the GOP base, but I can't think of an argument to change your mind, right now. I can't compete with the propaganda of the national/international media. It'd be like me posting on the internet in 1938 trying to counter the NSDAP spin machine. Not going to happen.

So give it a few years, and we'll see what kind of politician Palin is in a couple of years after having time to develop her own opinions on foreign and domestic policy. Just so you have something to fret about, Palin is the GOP frontrunner to win the 2012 nomination. And with her support based in the evangelical community, she should be strong, as long as she can develop coherent ideas.

EDIT: That was a lot longer written down than I thought.

[Archangel]

It's precisely the thought of the evangelicals picking the person who controls 5,000 nuclear warheads that scares the shit out of me...

[TheImpossibleMan]

The rhetoric is populism. The GOP message doesn't sound very good when it is pure populism. Because the populism in the GOP is based primarily on patriotism and, uh, I guess that's it. It's hard to make a case for your election with, "I'm more of a Patriot than anybody, and my opponent might not be." I think it's hard to make the case that anyone running for elective office isn't a patriot. Unlike Democrat populism, which can range from, "All the greedy rich people got rich on the backs of your labor." to "All the greedy rich people don't want you to be healthy." to "All the greedy rich people don't want you to have an education." The Democrats have a much broader range of issues from which to draw their populist message. Class warfare is easy for Democrats because it's been their message for a century. Republicans can't do it because they aren't that dishonest.
Oh my God that was an awesome paragraph. I love the part how you say that Republicans don't wage class warfare and then call all Democrats dishonest. Amazing. Like when Arch decries bigotry by making bigoted comments.

[Archangel]

And I was just starting to like TiM, too. Oh well.

[Rover]

Oh my God that was an awesome paragraph. I love the part how you say that Republicans don't wage class warfare and then call all Democrats dishonest. Amazing. Like when Arch decries bigotry by making bigoted comments.In case you haven't noticed, the Republicans have been branded as the party of the rich, which isn't true, but that's the accepted political brand. It is impossible for Republicans to engage in any productive class warfare. There isn't any class divides for the GOP to wedge between. The GOP is the party of the middle class, but seen as the party of the rich. The Democrats are the party of the rich, but seen as the party of the poor.

There isn't a class of people they can divide. Republicans are mostly middle class. They were either once poor and made something of themselves, or they want to be richer. They can't hate where they've been, or where they want to go.

So, unless you consider a message of "poor people need to get fucking jobs, so they can pull themselves out of poverty" to be a class warfare issue, the GOP doesn't engage in class warfare. Do you really think most Republicans sit around and try to actively promote people staying in poverty?

That isn't to say that the GOP doesn't have their own wedge issues. They are effective at using patriotism, guns, religion, and other social issues as a means of dividing, but they don't use class. Well, John McCain does, but he's mavericky.

And I called both sides dishonest, but I believe that Democrats are more dishonest about their political message. For christssakes, they've been running on a platform of ending poverty and giving healthcare to everyone for 50 years. They're either magnificently inept, or they don't give a flying fuck about either of those things.

So, I apologize, if you are offended that I don't believe that everything the Democrats tell me is the gospel. I'm sorry that I happen to believe that my political party is slightly more honest than the other side.

[Genius]

Damn. Palin lit George Bush the fuck up today. It's a little late in the game to be trying this kind of shit, but I suppose desperation will do that to you. Interesting that they chose her to deliver the bad news though. I figured that if someone was going to lay into George, it'd have to be McCain. It's pretty weak of him to not make these comments himself.

[BIG PIZZLE]

That's become McCain's style. He alludes to attacks while letting other's say what he's trying to get across. He used to rarely even mention Obama's name. He would call him the "Senator from Illinois." Political cowardness.

[BIG PIZZLE]

Lol. I think the last team she dropped the puck for is 0 and 5. Instead of helping the team, she's fucking it up. What a mavrick!Goalie injured after tripping on Palin carpetBy JIM SALTER – 15 hours ago ST. LOUIS (AP) — Blues goalie Manny Legace left after one period Friday night with a hip injury that occurred when he slipped on the carpet placed on the ice for Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.The Alaska governor dropped the ceremonial first puck before the Blues hosted the Los Angeles Kings. A narrow carpet walkway was placed from the gate at the Blues bench to center ice for Palin, her husband and two of her daughters.Just before the ceremony, Legace was the first player onto the ice for St. Louis. A team official pointed to the carpet. But Legace said the official moved his own foot from the carpet just as Legace stepped down, causing the carpet to slide.Legace fell, then gingerly made his way to the crease.After Legace's mishap, the official rolled up enough of the carpet so other players wouldn't have to step on it.Legace described the injury as a strained left hip flexor. He doesn't believe it is serious but said it is painful. He said he won't play Saturday when the Blues host Florida, but wasn't sure if he'd miss any additional games.&quot;I felt a pull right away,&quot; Legace said. &quot;I was hoping it would just go away.&quot;But after making his first save, the injury felt worse, Legace said. He played one period, giving up two goals on 12 shots. After the intermission, the team said he suffered a &quot;lower body&quot; injury but did not immediately elaborate. He was replaced by Ben Bishop, making his NHL debut.Legace is 4-2 with a 2.94 goals-against average in six games this season. He is 313-291 in his nine-year career. He was selected to the Western Conference All-Star team last season.It was Palin's second appearance at an NHL game this month. She also dropped the ceremonial puck at Philadelphia on Oct. 11.Legace didn't blame Palin for the injury.&quot;She's been pretty good for our game,&quot; Legace said. &quot;I'm starting to like her more and more. No grudge.&quot;

[mongo]

i would still tagteam her and her daughter.

[Rover]

That's become McCain's style. He alludes to attacks while letting other's say what he's trying to get across. He used to rarely even mention Obama's name. He would call him the "Senator from Illinois." Political cowardness.In fairness, Senate rules prohibit other senators from mentioning each other's names during speeches given on the floor. That's why Senate speeches involve lots of "Senator from <insert state>." "junior Senator from <insert state>." So, after 20 years of making speeches like that, it can become a habit.

[BIG PIZZLE]

I did not know that.

[HAWK]

In fairness, Senate rules prohibit other senators from mentioning each other's names during speeches given on the floor. That's why Senate speeches involve lots of "Senator from <insert state>." "junior Senator from <insert state>." So, after 20 years of making speeches like that, it can become a habit.

Fine. But that doesn't change the fact that McCain is letting Palin and Co. throw the punches while he tries to come across as some kind of political angel.

[kid_vidrio]

There isn't a class of people they can divide. Republicans are mostly middle class.
Define. Middle. Class.

[freegood]

Palin allies report rising campaign tension (http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=33A79FEE-18FE-70B2-A89B82E0E4361B64)
By: Ben Smith
October 25, 2008 01:06 PM EST

Even as John McCain and Sarah Palin scramble to close the gap in the final days of the 2008 election, stirrings of a Palin insurgency are complicating the campaign's already-tense internal dynamics.

Four Republicans close to Palin said she has decided increasingly to disregard the advice of the former Bush aides tasked to handle her, creating occasionally tense situations as she travels the country with them. Those Palin supporters, inside the campaign and out, said Palin blames her handlers for a botched rollout and a tarnished public image — even as others in McCain's camp blame the pick of the relatively inexperienced Alaska governor, and her public performance, for McCain's decline.

"She's lost confidence in most of the people on the plane," said a senior Republican who speaks to Palin, referring to her campaign jet. He said Palin had begun to "go rogue" in some of her public pronouncements and decisions.

"I think she'd like to go more rogue," he said.

The emergence of a Palin faction comes as Republicans gird for a battle over the future of their party: Some see her as a charismatic, hawkish conservative leader with the potential, still unrealized, to cross over to attract moderate voters. Anger among Republicans who see Palin as a star and as a potential future leader has boiled over because, they say, they see other senior McCain aides preparing to blame her in the event he is defeated.

"These people are going to try and shred her after the campaign to divert blame from themselves," a McCain insider said, referring to McCain's chief strategist, Steve Schmidt, and to Nicolle Wallace, a former Bush aide who has taken a lead role in Palin's campaign. Palin's partisans blame Wallace, in particular, for Palin's avoiding of the media for days and then giving a high-stakes interview to CBS News' Katie Couric, whose sometimes painful content the campaign allowed to be parceled out over a week.

"A number of Gov. Palin's staff have not had her best interests at heart, and they have not had the campaign's best interests at heart," the McCain insider fumed, noting that Wallace left an executive job at CBS to join the campaign.

Wallace declined to engage publicly in the finger-pointing that has consumed the campaign in the final weeks.

"I am in awe of [Palin's] strength under constant fire by the media," she said in an e-mail. "If someone wants to throw me under the bus, my personal belief is that the most graceful thing to do is to lie there."

But other McCain aides, defending Wallace, dismissed the notion that Palin was mishandled. The Alaska governor was, they argue, simply unready — "green," sloppy and incomprehensibly willing to criticize McCain for, for instance, not attacking Sen. Barack Obama for his relationship with his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Palin has in fact performed fairly well in the moments thought to be key for a vice presidential nominee: She made a good impression in her surprise rollout in Ohio and her speech to the Republican National Convention went better than the campaign could have imagined. She turned in an adequate performance at a debate against the Democratic Party's foremost debater.

But other elements of her image-making went catastrophically awry. Her dodging of the press and her nervous reliance on tight scripts in her first interview, with ABC News, became a national joke — driven home to devastating effect by "Saturday Night Live" comic Tina Fey. The Couric interview — her only unstaged appearance for a week — was "water torture," as one internal ally put it.

Some McCain aides say they had little choice with a candidate who simply wasn't ready for the national stage, and that Palin didn't forcefully object. Moments that Palin's allies see as triumphs of instinct and authenticity — the Wright suggestion, her objection to the campaign's pulling out of Michigan — they dismiss as Palin's "slips and miscommunications," that is, her own incompetence and evidence of the need for tight scripting.

But Palin partisans say she chafed at the handling.

"The campaign as a whole bought completely into what the Washington media said — that she's completely inexperienced," said a close Palin ally outside the campaign who speaks regularly to the candidate.

"Her strategy was to be trustworthy and a team player during the convention and thereafter, but she felt completely mismanaged and mishandled and ill advised," the person said. "Recently, she's gone from relying on McCain advisers who were assigned to her to relying on her own instincts."

Palin's loyalists say she's grown particularly disenchanted with the veterans of the Bush reelection campaign, including Schmidt and Wallace, and that despite her anti-intellectual rhetoric, her closest ally among her new traveling aides is a policy adviser, former National Security Council official Steve Biegun. She's also said to be close with McCain's chief foreign policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann, who prepared her for the Oct. 2 vice presidential debate.

When a McCain aide, speaking anonymously Friday to The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder, suggested that Palin's charge that Obama was "palling around with terrorists" had "escaped HQ's vetting," it was Scheunemann who fired off an angry response that the speech was "fully vetted" and that to attack Palin for it was "bullshit."

Palin's "instincts," on display in recent days, have had her opening up to the media, including a round of interviews on talk radio, cable and broadcast outlets, as well as chats with her traveling press and local reporters.

Reporters really began to notice the change last Sunday, when Palin strolled over to a local television crew in Colorado Springs.

"Get Tracey," a staffer called out, according to The New York Times, summoning spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt, who reportedly "tried several times to cut it off with a terse 'Thank you!' in between questions, to no avail." The moment may have caused ulcers in some precincts of the McCain campaign, but it was an account Palin's admirers in Washington cheered.

Palin had also sought to give meatier policy speeches, in particular on energy policy and on policy for children with disabilities; she finally gave the latter speech Friday, but had wanted to deliver it much earlier.

She's also begun to make her own ad hoc calls about the campaign's direction and the ticket's policy. McCain, for instance, has remained silent on Democrats' calls for a stimulus package of new spending, a move many conservatives oppose but that could be broadly popular. But in an interview with the conservative radio host Glenn Beck earlier this week, Palin went "off the reservation" to make the campaign policy, one aide said.

"I say, you know, when is enough enough of taxpayer dollars being thrown into this bill out there?" she asked. "This next one of the Democrats being proposed should be very, very concerning to all Americans because to me it sends a message that $700 billion bailout, maybe that was just the tip of the iceberg. No, you know, we were told when we've got to be believing if we have enough elected officials who are going to be standing strong on fiscal conservative principles and free enterprise and we have to believe that there are enough of those elected officials to say, 'No, OK, that's enough.'"

(A McCain spokeswoman said Palin's statement was "a good sentiment.")

But few imagine that Palin will be able to repair her image — and bad poll numbers — in the eleven days before the campaign ends. And the final straw for Palin and her allies was the news that the campaign had reported spending $150,000 on her clothes, turning her, again, into the butt of late-night humor.

"She never even set foot in these stores," the senior Republican said, noting Palin hadn't realized the cost when the clothes were brought to her in her Minnesota hotel room.

"It's completely out-of-control operatives," said the close ally outside the campaign. "She has no responsibility for that. It's incredibly frustrating for us and for her."

Between Palin's internal detractors and her allies, there's a middle ground: Some aides say that she's a flawed candidate whose handling exaggerated her weak spots.

"She was completely mishandled in the beginning. No one took the time to look at what her personal strengths and weaknesses are and developed a plan that made sense based on who she is as a candidate," the aide said. "Any concerns she or those close to her have about that are totally valid."

But the aide said that Palin's inexperience led her to her own mistakes:

"How she was handled allowed her weaknesses to hang out in full display."

If McCain loses, Palin's allies say that the national Republican Party hasn't seen the last of her. Politicians are sometimes formed by a signal defeat — as Bill Clinton was when he was tossed out of the Arkansas governor's mansion after his first term — and Palin would return to a state that had made her America's most popular governor and where her image as a reformer who swept aside her own party's insiders rings true, if not in the cartoon version the McCain campaign presented.

"There are people in this campaign who feel a real sense of loyalty to her and are really pleased with her performance and think she did a great job," said the McCain insider. "She has a real future in this party."

[Feng]

Palin allies report rising campaign tension (http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=33A79FEE-18FE-70B2-A89B82E0E4361B64)
By: Ben Smith
October 25, 2008 01:06 PM EST

Even as John McCain and Sarah Palin scramble to close the gap in the final days of the 2008 election, stirrings of a Palin insurgency are complicating the campaign's already-tense internal dynamics.

Four Republicans close to Palin said she has decided increasingly to disregard the advice of the former Bush aides tasked to handle her, creating occasionally tense situations as she travels the country with them. Those Palin supporters, inside the campaign and out, said Palin blames her handlers for a botched rollout and a tarnished public image — even as others in McCain's camp blame the pick of the relatively inexperienced Alaska governor, and her public performance, for McCain's decline.

"She's lost confidence in most of the people on the plane," said a senior Republican who speaks to Palin, referring to her campaign jet. He said Palin had begun to "go rogue" in some of her public pronouncements and decisions.

"I think she'd like to go more rogue," he said.

The emergence of a Palin faction comes as Republicans gird for a battle over the future of their party: Some see her as a charismatic, hawkish conservative leader with the potential, still unrealized, to cross over to attract moderate voters. Anger among Republicans who see Palin as a star and as a potential future leader has boiled over because, they say, they see other senior McCain aides preparing to blame her in the event he is defeated.

"These people are going to try and shred her after the campaign to divert blame from themselves," a McCain insider said, referring to McCain's chief strategist, Steve Schmidt, and to Nicolle Wallace, a former Bush aide who has taken a lead role in Palin's campaign. Palin's partisans blame Wallace, in particular, for Palin's avoiding of the media for days and then giving a high-stakes interview to CBS News' Katie Couric, whose sometimes painful content the campaign allowed to be parceled out over a week.

"A number of Gov. Palin's staff have not had her best interests at heart, and they have not had the campaign's best interests at heart," the McCain insider fumed, noting that Wallace left an executive job at CBS to join the campaign.

Wallace declined to engage publicly in the finger-pointing that has consumed the campaign in the final weeks.

"I am in awe of [Palin's] strength under constant fire by the media," she said in an e-mail. "If someone wants to throw me under the bus, my personal belief is that the most graceful thing to do is to lie there."

But other McCain aides, defending Wallace, dismissed the notion that Palin was mishandled. The Alaska governor was, they argue, simply unready — "green," sloppy and incomprehensibly willing to criticize McCain for, for instance, not attacking Sen. Barack Obama for his relationship with his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Palin has in fact performed fairly well in the moments thought to be key for a vice presidential nominee: She made a good impression in her surprise rollout in Ohio and her speech to the Republican National Convention went better than the campaign could have imagined. She turned in an adequate performance at a debate against the Democratic Party's foremost debater.

But other elements of her image-making went catastrophically awry. Her dodging of the press and her nervous reliance on tight scripts in her first interview, with ABC News, became a national joke — driven home to devastating effect by "Saturday Night Live" comic Tina Fey. The Couric interview — her only unstaged appearance for a week — was "water torture," as one internal ally put it.

Some McCain aides say they had little choice with a candidate who simply wasn't ready for the national stage, and that Palin didn't forcefully object. Moments that Palin's allies see as triumphs of instinct and authenticity — the Wright suggestion, her objection to the campaign's pulling out of Michigan — they dismiss as Palin's "slips and miscommunications," that is, her own incompetence and evidence of the need for tight scripting.

But Palin partisans say she chafed at the handling.

"The campaign as a whole bought completely into what the Washington media said — that she's completely inexperienced," said a close Palin ally outside the campaign who speaks regularly to the candidate.

"Her strategy was to be trustworthy and a team player during the convention and thereafter, but she felt completely mismanaged and mishandled and ill advised," the person said. "Recently, she's gone from relying on McCain advisers who were assigned to her to relying on her own instincts."

Palin's loyalists say she's grown particularly disenchanted with the veterans of the Bush reelection campaign, including Schmidt and Wallace, and that despite her anti-intellectual rhetoric, her closest ally among her new traveling aides is a policy adviser, former National Security Council official Steve Biegun. She's also said to be close with McCain's chief foreign policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann, who prepared her for the Oct. 2 vice presidential debate.

When a McCain aide, speaking anonymously Friday to The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder, suggested that Palin's charge that Obama was "palling around with terrorists" had "escaped HQ's vetting," it was Scheunemann who fired off an angry response that the speech was "fully vetted" and that to attack Palin for it was "bullshit."

Palin's "instincts," on display in recent days, have had her opening up to the media, including a round of interviews on talk radio, cable and broadcast outlets, as well as chats with her traveling press and local reporters.

Reporters really began to notice the change last Sunday, when Palin strolled over to a local television crew in Colorado Springs.

"Get Tracey," a staffer called out, according to The New York Times, summoning spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt, who reportedly "tried several times to cut it off with a terse 'Thank you!' in between questions, to no avail." The moment may have caused ulcers in some precincts of the McCain campaign, but it was an account Palin's admirers in Washington cheered.

Palin had also sought to give meatier policy speeches, in particular on energy policy and on policy for children with disabilities; she finally gave the latter speech Friday, but had wanted to deliver it much earlier.

She's also begun to make her own ad hoc calls about the campaign's direction and the ticket's policy. McCain, for instance, has remained silent on Democrats' calls for a stimulus package of new spending, a move many conservatives oppose but that could be broadly popular. But in an interview with the conservative radio host Glenn Beck earlier this week, Palin went "off the reservation" to make the campaign policy, one aide said.

"I say, you know, when is enough enough of taxpayer dollars being thrown into this bill out there?" she asked. "This next one of the Democrats being proposed should be very, very concerning to all Americans because to me it sends a message that $700 billion bailout, maybe that was just the tip of the iceberg. No, you know, we were told when we've got to be believing if we have enough elected officials who are going to be standing strong on fiscal conservative principles and free enterprise and we have to believe that there are enough of those elected officials to say, 'No, OK, that's enough.'"

(A McCain spokeswoman said Palin's statement was "a good sentiment.")

But few imagine that Palin will be able to repair her image — and bad poll numbers — in the eleven days before the campaign ends. And the final straw for Palin and her allies was the news that the campaign had reported spending $150,000 on her clothes, turning her, again, into the butt of late-night humor.

"She never even set foot in these stores," the senior Republican said, noting Palin hadn't realized the cost when the clothes were brought to her in her Minnesota hotel room.

"It's completely out-of-control operatives," said the close ally outside the campaign. "She has no responsibility for that. It's incredibly frustrating for us and for her."

Between Palin's internal detractors and her allies, there's a middle ground: Some aides say that she's a flawed candidate whose handling exaggerated her weak spots.

"She was completely mishandled in the beginning. No one took the time to look at what her personal strengths and weaknesses are and developed a plan that made sense based on who she is as a candidate," the aide said. "Any concerns she or those close to her have about that are totally valid."

But the aide said that Palin's inexperience led her to her own mistakes:

"How she was handled allowed her weaknesses to hang out in full display."

If McCain loses, Palin's allies say that the national Republican Party hasn't seen the last of her. Politicians are sometimes formed by a signal defeat — as Bill Clinton was when he was tossed out of the Arkansas governor's mansion after his first term — and Palin would return to a state that had made her America's most popular governor and where her image as a reformer who swept aside her own party's insiders rings true, if not in the cartoon version the McCain campaign presented.

"There are people in this campaign who feel a real sense of loyalty to her and are really pleased with her performance and think she did a great job," said the McCain insider. "She has a real future in this party."

When you're on a sinking ship, even the rats know it's time to bail!

[Mustard]

Palin allies report rising campaign tension (http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=33A79FEE-18FE-70B2-A89B82E0E4361B64)
By: Ben Smith
October 25, 2008 01:06 PM EST

Even as John McCain and Sarah Palin scramble to close the gap in the final days of the 2008 election, stirrings of a Palin insurgency are complicating the campaign's already-tense internal dynamics.

Four Republicans close to Palin said she has decided increasingly to disregard the advice of the former Bush aides tasked to handle her, creating occasionally tense situations as she travels the country with them. Those Palin supporters, inside the campaign and out, said Palin blames her handlers for a botched rollout and a tarnished public image — even as others in McCain's camp blame the pick of the relatively inexperienced Alaska governor, and her public performance, for McCain's decline.

"She's lost confidence in most of the people on the plane," said a senior Republican who speaks to Palin, referring to her campaign jet. He said Palin had begun to "go rogue" in some of her public pronouncements and decisions.

"I think she'd like to go more rogue," he said.

The emergence of a Palin faction comes as Republicans gird for a battle over the future of their party: Some see her as a charismatic, hawkish conservative leader with the potential, still unrealized, to cross over to attract moderate voters. Anger among Republicans who see Palin as a star and as a potential future leader has boiled over because, they say, they see other senior McCain aides preparing to blame her in the event he is defeated.

"These people are going to try and shred her after the campaign to divert blame from themselves," a McCain insider said, referring to McCain's chief strategist, Steve Schmidt, and to Nicolle Wallace, a former Bush aide who has taken a lead role in Palin's campaign. Palin's partisans blame Wallace, in particular, for Palin's avoiding of the media for days and then giving a high-stakes interview to CBS News' Katie Couric, whose sometimes painful content the campaign allowed to be parceled out over a week.

"A number of Gov. Palin's staff have not had her best interests at heart, and they have not had the campaign's best interests at heart," the McCain insider fumed, noting that Wallace left an executive job at CBS to join the campaign.

Wallace declined to engage publicly in the finger-pointing that has consumed the campaign in the final weeks.

"I am in awe of [Palin's] strength under constant fire by the media," she said in an e-mail. "If someone wants to throw me under the bus, my personal belief is that the most graceful thing to do is to lie there."

But other McCain aides, defending Wallace, dismissed the notion that Palin was mishandled. The Alaska governor was, they argue, simply unready — "green," sloppy and incomprehensibly willing to criticize McCain for, for instance, not attacking Sen. Barack Obama for his relationship with his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Palin has in fact performed fairly well in the moments thought to be key for a vice presidential nominee: She made a good impression in her surprise rollout in Ohio and her speech to the Republican National Convention went better than the campaign could have imagined. She turned in an adequate performance at a debate against the Democratic Party's foremost debater.

But other elements of her image-making went catastrophically awry. Her dodging of the press and her nervous reliance on tight scripts in her first interview, with ABC News, became a national joke — driven home to devastating effect by "Saturday Night Live" comic Tina Fey. The Couric interview — her only unstaged appearance for a week — was "water torture," as one internal ally put it.

Some McCain aides say they had little choice with a candidate who simply wasn't ready for the national stage, and that Palin didn't forcefully object. Moments that Palin's allies see as triumphs of instinct and authenticity — the Wright suggestion, her objection to the campaign's pulling out of Michigan — they dismiss as Palin's "slips and miscommunications," that is, her own incompetence and evidence of the need for tight scripting.

But Palin partisans say she chafed at the handling.

"The campaign as a whole bought completely into what the Washington media said — that she's completely inexperienced," said a close Palin ally outside the campaign who speaks regularly to the candidate.

"Her strategy was to be trustworthy and a team player during the convention and thereafter, but she felt completely mismanaged and mishandled and ill advised," the person said. "Recently, she's gone from relying on McCain advisers who were assigned to her to relying on her own instincts."

Palin's loyalists say she's grown particularly disenchanted with the veterans of the Bush reelection campaign, including Schmidt and Wallace, and that despite her anti-intellectual rhetoric, her closest ally among her new traveling aides is a policy adviser, former National Security Council official Steve Biegun. She's also said to be close with McCain's chief foreign policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann, who prepared her for the Oct. 2 vice presidential debate.

When a McCain aide, speaking anonymously Friday to The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder, suggested that Palin's charge that Obama was "palling around with terrorists" had "escaped HQ's vetting," it was Scheunemann who fired off an angry response that the speech was "fully vetted" and that to attack Palin for it was "bullshit."

Palin's "instincts," on display in recent days, have had her opening up to the media, including a round of interviews on talk radio, cable and broadcast outlets, as well as chats with her traveling press and local reporters.

Reporters really began to notice the change last Sunday, when Palin strolled over to a local television crew in Colorado Springs.

"Get Tracey," a staffer called out, according to The New York Times, summoning spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt, who reportedly "tried several times to cut it off with a terse 'Thank you!' in between questions, to no avail." The moment may have caused ulcers in some precincts of the McCain campaign, but it was an account Palin's admirers in Washington cheered.

Palin had also sought to give meatier policy speeches, in particular on energy policy and on policy for children with disabilities; she finally gave the latter speech Friday, but had wanted to deliver it much earlier.

She's also begun to make her own ad hoc calls about the campaign's direction and the ticket's policy. McCain, for instance, has remained silent on Democrats' calls for a stimulus package of new spending, a move many conservatives oppose but that could be broadly popular. But in an interview with the conservative radio host Glenn Beck earlier this week, Palin went "off the reservation" to make the campaign policy, one aide said.

"I say, you know, when is enough enough of taxpayer dollars being thrown into this bill out there?" she asked. "This next one of the Democrats being proposed should be very, very concerning to all Americans because to me it sends a message that $700 billion bailout, maybe that was just the tip of the iceberg. No, you know, we were told when we've got to be believing if we have enough elected officials who are going to be standing strong on fiscal conservative principles and free enterprise and we have to believe that there are enough of those elected officials to say, 'No, OK, that's enough.'"

(A McCain spokeswoman said Palin's statement was "a good sentiment.")

But few imagine that Palin will be able to repair her image — and bad poll numbers — in the eleven days before the campaign ends. And the final straw for Palin and her allies was the news that the campaign had reported spending $150,000 on her clothes, turning her, again, into the butt of late-night humor.

"She never even set foot in these stores," the senior Republican said, noting Palin hadn't realized the cost when the clothes were brought to her in her Minnesota hotel room.

"It's completely out-of-control operatives," said the close ally outside the campaign. "She has no responsibility for that. It's incredibly frustrating for us and for her."

Between Palin's internal detractors and her allies, there's a middle ground: Some aides say that she's a flawed candidate whose handling exaggerated her weak spots.

"She was completely mishandled in the beginning. No one took the time to look at what her personal strengths and weaknesses are and developed a plan that made sense based on who she is as a candidate," the aide said. "Any concerns she or those close to her have about that are totally valid."

But the aide said that Palin's inexperience led her to her own mistakes:

"How she was handled allowed her weaknesses to hang out in full display."

If McCain loses, Palin's allies say that the national Republican Party hasn't seen the last of her. Politicians are sometimes formed by a signal defeat — as Bill Clinton was when he was tossed out of the Arkansas governor's mansion after his first term — and Palin would return to a state that had made her America's most popular governor and where her image as a reformer who swept aside her own party's insiders rings true, if not in the cartoon version the McCain campaign presented.

"There are people in this campaign who feel a real sense of loyalty to her and are really pleased with her performance and think she did a great job," said the McCain insider. "She has a real future in this party."
I just wanted to quote this because its so long...

Good article though, and it makes sense in an unfortunate way for the GOP ticket. They seem to be coming apart at the seams, and Palin's attitude with those reporters on that airfield tell me that she is upset with how things are being managed.

[Desperado]

hahaha she was too mean!

Palin "annoyed" with CBS interviewer (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/26/palin-annoyed-with-cbs-interviewer/)
Posted: 12:23 PM ET

From CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/tag/cnn-political-producer-peter-hamby/)
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/10/26/art.palin.countryfirst.jpg Palin said Saturday she was 'annoyed' with Couric after her interview.

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/corner_wire_BL.gif

FORT WAYNE, Indiana (CNN) – Campaigning Saturday in Fort Wayne, Indiana, a city once represented in Congress by another vice presidential candidate named Dan Quayle, Sarah Palin delivered one of her longest stump speeches to date and revealed that she was “annoyed” with the line of questioning presented by Katie Couric in her now-infamous interview with CBS.
Palin reprised a story she last told a week ago in Noblesville, Indiana about her sit-down with Couric (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/01/palin-has-difficulty-naming-court-case-she-disagrees-with/), which was widely panned.
“Last time I was here I got to tell a crowd that I had to give a national interview that didn’t go so well,” she said. “And it was because I was kind of annoyed with the questions that I was being asked (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/30/palin-mum-on-what-she-reads/) because I thought they were kind of irrelevant to, you know, national security issues and getting our economy back on track, so I kind of showed some of that annoyance.”
Couric did, in fact, ask Palin several questions about the economy and national security, focusing in particular on the congressional bailout package, the mortgage crisis, John McCain’s record on regulation, the war in Afghanistan, hunting terrorists in Pakistan, Russia, Iran, Syria, Israel and the role of the United States in the world. (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/30/palin-says-shes-the-new-energy/)

[Creepnation]

I seriously have a hard time understanding how anybody could even consider voting for this woman. I have read several articles the last days saying how the election was pretty much over for McCain this year, and that they are now focusing how making Palin the candidate for 2012.

My God.

[smahoo]

On another subject, any indication as to the release date of the Alaska personnel board's investigation findings on Palin's alledged abuse of power in the troopergate scandal??

Any scuttle on the depositions she and her husband gave Friday??

[Morfin]

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[Desperado]

Everything I want to say, has already been said.


Sarah Palin's War on ScienceThe GOP ticket's appalling contempt for knowledge and learning.

By Christopher HitchensPosted Monday, Oct. 27, 2008, at 11:43 AM ET


http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/2073765/2180614/2201810/081027_FW_PalinTN.jpg (http://www.slate.com/id/2203130/)Sarah PalinIn an election that has been fought on an astoundingly low cultural and intellectual level, with both candidates pretending that tax cuts can go like peaches and cream with the staggering new levels of federal deficit, and paltry charges being traded in petty ways, and with Joe the Plumber becoming the emblematic stupidity of the campaign, it didn't seem possible that things could go any lower or get any dumber. But they did last Friday, when, at a speech in Pittsburgh, Gov. Sarah Palin denounced (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/24/palin_details_special_needs_po.html?hpid=topnews) wasteful expenditure on fruit-fly research, adding for good xenophobic and anti-elitist measure that some of this research took place "in Paris, France" and winding up with a folksy "I kid you not."

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It was in 1933 that [URL="http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1933/morgan-bio.html"]Thomas Hunt Morgan (javascript:void(0);) won a Nobel Prize for showing that genes are passed on by way of chromosomes. The experimental creature that he employed in the making of this great discovery was the Drosophila melanogaster, or fruit fly. Scientists of various sorts continue to find it a very useful resource, since it can be easily and plentifully "cultured" in a laboratory, has a very short generation time, and displays a great variety of mutation. This makes it useful in studying disease, and since Gov. Palin was in Pittsburgh to talk about her signature "issue" of disability and special needs, she might even have had some researcher tell her that there is a Drosophila-based center for research into autism at the University of North Carolina. The fruit fly can also be a menace to American agriculture, so any financing of research into its habits and mutations is money well-spent. It's especially ridiculous and unfortunate that the governor chose to make such a fool of herself in Pittsburgh, a great city that remade itself after the decline of coal and steel into a center of high-tech medical research.



In this case, it could be argued, Palin was not just being a fool in her own right but was following a demagogic lead set by the man who appointed her as his running mate. Sen. John McCain has made repeated use of an anti-waste and anti-pork ad (several times repeated and elaborated in his increasingly witless speeches) in which the expenditure of $3 million to study the DNA of grizzly bears in Montana was derided as "unbelievable." As an excellent article (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=mccains-beef-with-bears) in the Feb. 8, 2008, Scientific American pointed out, there is no way to enforce the Endangered Species Act without getting some sort of estimate of numbers, and the best way of tracking and tracing the elusive grizzly is by setting up barbed-wire hair-snagging stations that painlessly take samples from the bears as they lumber by and then running the DNA samples through a laboratory. The cost is almost trivial compared with the importance of understanding this species, and I dare say the project will yield results in the measurement of other animal populations as well, but all McCain could do was be flippant and say that he wondered whether it was a "paternity" or "criminal" issue that the Fish and Wildlife Service was investigating. (Perhaps those really are the only things that he associates in his mind with DNA.)


With Palin, however, the contempt for science may be something a little more sinister than the bluff, empty-headed plain-man's philistinism of McCain. We never get a chance to ask her (http://www.slate.com/id/2202642/) in detail about these things, but she is known to favor the teaching of creationism in schools (smuggling this crazy idea through customs in the innocent disguise of "teaching the argument," as if there was an argument), and so it is at least probable that she believes all creatures from humans to fruit flies were created just as they are now. This would make DNA or any other kind of research pointless, whether conducted in Paris or not. Projects such as sequencing the DNA of the flu virus, the better to inoculate against it, would not need to be funded. We could all expire happily in the name of God. Gov. Palin also says that she doesn't think humans are responsible for global warming; again, one would like to ask her whether, like some of her co-religionists, she is a "premillenial dispensationalist"—in other words, someone who believes that there is no point in protecting and preserving the natural world, since the end of days will soon be upon us.
Videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPmjQ_daNSQ&feature=related) taken in the Assembly of God church in Wasilla, Alaska, which she used to attend, show her nodding as a preacher says that Alaska will be "one of the refuge states in the Last Days." For the uninitiated, this is a reference to a crackpot belief, widely held among those who brood on the "End Times," that some parts of the world will end at different times from others, and Alaska will be a big draw as the heavens darken on account of its wide open spaces. An article (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/25/us/politics/25faith.html?partner=permalink&exprod=permalink) by Laurie Goodstein in the New York Timesgives further gruesome details of the extreme Pentecostalism with which Palin has been associated in the past (perhaps moderating herself, at least in public, as a political career became more attractive). High points, also available on YouTube, show her being "anointed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwkb9_zB2Pg)" by an African bishop who claims to cast out witches. The term used in the trade for this hysterical superstitious nonsense is "spiritual warfare," in which true Christian soldiers are trained to fight demons. Palin has spoken at "spiritual warfare" events as recently as June. And only last week the chiller from Wasilla spoke of "prayer warriors" in a radio interview (http://www.citizenlink.org/clspecialalert/A000008476.cfm) with James Dobson of Focus on the Family, who said that he and his lovely wife, Shirley, had convened a prayer meeting to beseech that "God's perfect will be done on Nov. 4."
This is what the Republican Party has done to us this year: It has placed within reach of the Oval Office a woman who is a religious fanatic and a proud, boastful ignoramus. Those who despise science and learning are not anti-elitist. They are morally and intellectually slothful people who are secretly envious of the educated and the cultured. And those who prate of spiritual warfare and demons are not just "people of faith" but theocratic bullies. On Nov. 4, anyone who cares for the Constitution has a clear duty to repudiate this wickedness and stupidity.


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[smahoo]

i love how she mocked one of the key components in the research towards discovering a cure and/or cause of the very issue she made this so called "policy" speech on.

once again, she proves there is no limit to her ignorance, i kid you not

[redsox39]

Lol. I think the last team she dropped the puck for is 0 and 5. Instead of helping the team, she's fucking it up. What a mavrick!

Obama sucks at bowling! What a Socialist! lol

[redsox39]

I seriously have a hard time understanding how anybody could even consider voting for this woman. I have read several articles the last days saying how the election was pretty much over for McCain this year, and that they are now focusing how making Palin the candidate for 2012.

My God.

No. Way. I promise you that!

[redsox39]

Oh my God that was an awesome paragraph. I love the part how you say that Republicans don't wage class warfare and then call all Democrats dishonest. Amazing. Like when Arch decries bigotry by making bigoted comments.


Ummm, how can they wage class warfare?

"Hey you, rich 5%, join us so the man stops holding you down?"

Sorry, Class warfare only work when the target is the majority. Do you feel alright todau?

[The Batman]

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[Mustard]

Somewhere in Alaska a village is missing its idiot.

Let's help her find her way home.

[Debo]

Somewhere in Alaska a village is missing its idiot.

Let's help her find her way home.

If Obama loses, I doubt that any of you are going to be able to handle it.

You had better pray that the polls are right.

[Pox]

Hes pretty much a lock

[Mustard]

If Obama loses, I doubt that any of you are going to be able to handle it.

You had better pray that the polls are right.
I can handle McCain... Palin, not so much.

I think everybody gives her too much credit though. She is faaarrrr more stupid than people realize.

[VoxAngelikus]

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[Yelram]

I can handle McCain... Palin, not so much.

I think everybody gives her too much credit though. She is faaarrrr more stupid than people realize.

Dont you people get sick of your own narratives? I mean how many republican politicians can you play the "Duhh, dat person is stupidz!!" with? Cant you guys get some new plays?

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[Claydon]

ummm..that was annoying

[hatepoppy]

nope.

[Yelram]

AWWWW sink, you're scuh a fucking baby. Am I ruining your fancy computer world where people actually like you?

Seriously, sink just neg repped me 9 times, I plan on appealing this to a higher power.

[Mustard]

I give a fuck. Make that ten.

[hatepoppy]

Dont you people get sick of your own narratives? I mean how many republican politicians can you play the "Duhh, dat person is stupidz!!" with? Cant you guys get some new plays?
cmon man. i could give a fuck about teh election.

but she's making it easy. how could you NOT talk shit about this broad? what the shit is she good for, really?

[Ace Rockola]

Dont you people get sick of your own narratives? I mean how many republican politicians can you play the "Duhh, dat person is stupidz!!" with? Cant you guys get some new plays?

My guess is when they are start supporting people who are smart. But that's just a guess. I know Republicans hate coming off as *GASP* ELITIST!

[VoxAngelikus]

ummm..that was annoying


awesome. now you know how it feels when other people read most of your posts!

[Debo]

Hes pretty much a lock

With anywhere from 9-12% of the voting public still undecided, I wouldn't call anything a lock.

[Mustard]

With anywhere from 9-12% of the voting public still undecided, I wouldn't call anything a lock.
It isn't over until the fat lady sings.

But like I said before in a different thread, the fat lady is on in five.

[Debo]

It isn't over until the fat lady sings.

But like I said before in a different thread, the fat lady is on in five.

Just don't be surprised when I say I told you so.

[Mustard]

Just don't be surprised when I say I told you so.
Deal.

But you've got to admit when McCain campaign advisors start to refer to Sarah Palin as a "Diva" and a "Whack Job", things aren't looking so hot.

[VoxAngelikus]

Just don't be surprised when another election gets stolen through voter fraud and incompetent voting machines.

[Genius]

Dont you people get sick of your own narratives? I mean how many republican politicians can you play the "Duhh, dat person is stupidz!!" with? Cant you guys get some new plays?
If they'd have nominated Romney. The man is smart. And would probably be leading by a small margin right now. In a time of shaky economic prospects, the smart financial expert might have even been able to convince me to vote for him.

And, of course it's ironic that you'd make such a statement, considering the daily cries of "liberal media bias" and "socialism" that I have to hear. Talk about worn out political plays.

[Yelram]

If they'd have nominated Romney. The man is smart. And would probably be leading by a small margin right now. In a time of shaky economic prospects, the smart financial expert might have even been able to convince me to vote for him.

And, of course it's ironic that you'd make such a statement, considering the daily cries of "liberal media bias" and "socialism" that I have to hear. Talk about worn out political plays.


I agree with the first part entirely. I would much rather be voting for Romney, it doesnt really matter now though does it?

There is a liberal media bias, and if you dont see it now, you never will, because it is to the point of being overwhelming.

[Genius]

I agree with the first part entirely. I would much rather be voting for Romney, it doesnt really matter now though does it?

There is a liberal media bias, and if you dont see it now, you never will, because it is to the point of being overwhelming.
I've admitted the liberal media bias. I totally believe it. But when conservatives have 6-8 years in office, and are totally backed by the nation for almost a decade, didn't anyone think to change it instead of bitching about it ad nauseum? Conservatives can go to journalism school, and get jobs at ABC, CBS, NBC, etc. They just don't. So when there's a bias, who's to blame?

[VoxAngelikus]

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[Mustard]

Vox > you

[VoxAngelikus]

http://i38.tinypic.com/2j1r72e.jpg

[Debo]

Don't be surprised when Obama wins the dead vote and sweeps the entire Dallas Cowboys starting lineup thanks to ACORN.

[Debo]

I've admitted the liberal media bias. I totally believe it. But when conservatives have 6-8 years in office, and are totally backed by the nation for almost a decade, didn't anyone think to change it instead of bitching about it ad nauseum? Conservatives can go to journalism school, and get jobs at ABC, CBS, NBC, etc. They just don't. So when there's a bias, who's to blame?

I have worked in media before. There is a cultural difference between the financial news organization that I worked at and the brokerage house that I worked at. The majority of artists are liberal because that it how their brain is wired. The same thing goes for accountants, brokers and journalists.

To simply say that "more conservatives should get jobs in the media" is silly. Why would a skilled conservative writer want to go work for the NYT and be surrounded by people that think that you are stupid, when they can join one of the many online conservative news outlets and do just as well?

[Mustard]

Don't be surprised when McCain dies in office and "whack job" Sarah Palin takes over as president and fulfils the end days scenario in The Bible by nuking Russia.

This is fun!

[Debo]

Don't be surprised when Barack Hussein Obama turns out to really be a member of an Al Queda sleeper cell*.

This is fun!














* You made me go there. Damn you.

[Mustard]

Ooohhhh, that is dirty.

Don't be surprised when Sarah Palin enacts and/or expands socialist programs like the Alaska Permanent Fund that she fully supports for the rest of Americans after she has John McCain killed by a rogue pretzel...

[The Batman]

I give a fuck. Make that ten.
eleven.

[VoxAngelikus]

Don't be surprised when you find out McCain might have killed someone back in '64... oh wait. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/news-orgs-investigate-pos_n_138449.html)

[Debo]

Don't be surprised when John McCain turns out to really be Ted Kennedy.

[smahoo]

It's a long article so I'll only post excerpts and a link. The article is titled :

"The Mandatory Rejection of Sarah Palin"

"After eight dark years, next week officially commences the Final Days of Bush."

"But what's almost as thrilling is the prospect of Sarah Palin finally going away.
Next Wednesday at this time, it's entirely possible that we'll see the last of Sarah Palin on the national stage.
At least for now."

"Sure, she's provided us with a bottomless cup of blogging material and,
more importantly, she's a huge drag on the McCain campaign.
And this week, with the Conga line of McCain campaign insiders
dishing out leak after delicious leak about Palin, the slow-motion McTrain-wreck
has been especially entertaining.
But ultimately, the schadenfreude and the hilariously inexplicable interviews (http://www.bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2008/10/flashback.html) are
merely distractions from the truly awful things that Sarah Palin represents."

"I mean, can anyone seriously argue that she wasn't
chosen purely for the optics?
She's otherwise a wholly unserious choice for the
Republican ticket, and she's behaved in a
wholly unserious way. So she's being treated as such."

"McCain reaps what McCain sows.
For example, the establishment media's treatment of Palin
has very little if anything to do with bias.
Instead, the recent negative press has everything
to do with Sarah Palin and the
Republican ticket being inarguably FUBAR."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/the-mandatory-rejection-o_b_139062.html

[VoxAngelikus]

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[Desperado]

Anyone else?


Ex-chief diplomat says Palin not ready for top job

WASHINGTON – A former secretary of state and supporter of Republican presidential nominee John McCain says that McCain's running mate, Sarah Palin, isn't up to the task of taking over the presidency in a crisis but could become "adequate" if not "a genius in the job."
Then again, added Lawrence Eagleburger, several other vice presidents were also not ready. And he said he was confident that Palin, Alaska's governor, was tough enough if called to serve.
Eagleburger, who was secretary of state under President George H.W. Bush, has been cited frequently by McCain as one of several seasoned diplomats and former Cabinet members who back his presidential bid. McCain has pointed to them when asked about former Secretary of State Colin Powell's decision to endorse Democrat Barack Obama.
Asked Thursday on National Public Radio if he thought Palin would be ready to take over in a crisis, Eagleburger said, "Of course not."
"I don't think at the moment she is prepared to take over the brains of the presidency. I can name for you any number of other vice presidents who were not particularly up to it, either," Eagleburger said.

[dadaelus]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/palin-fears-med.html

Palin Fears Media Threaten Her First Amendment Rights

Palin told WMAL-AM that her criticism of Obama's associations, like those with 1960s radical Bill Ayers and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, should not be considered negative attacks. Rather, for reporters or columnists to suggest that it is going negative may constitute an attack that threatens a candidate's free speech rights under the Constitution, Palin said.


"If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations," Palin told host Chris Plante, "then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media."

[Morfin]

I thought I was past this. Past her leaving me speechless. I guess she proved that I was wrong. I would like to say that this is the stupidest thing she has said, but there have been so many, I'm sure I've forgotten many of them.

[Mustard]

I might be accused of stating the obvious, but Sarah Palin is a fucking idiot.

[Desperado]

Sarah Palin is a fucking idiot.

She should sue the media!

[Smokestack]

I thought I was past this. Past her leaving me speechless. I guess she proved that I was wrong. I would like to say that this is the stupidest thing she has said, but there have been so many, I'm sure I've forgotten many of them.

It's beyond stupid. Quotes like this really do cinch the idea that she has no idea what she's talking about and is inarguably unfit for this office. The people who keep making the claim that she is qualified get sucked into her vortex of ridiculousness and become laughing stocks themselves.

[Mustard]

For real, that guy who does the ShamWow commericals would have been a better pick for VP than Sarah Palin.

[Feng]

For real, that guy who does the ShamWow commericals would have been a better pick for VP than Sarah Palin.

ROFL!!! I love that guy! Vince for President in 2012!

[Gary_Busey]

I'm absolutely positive she's never read a single line of the Constitution.

[Archangel]

I'm pretty sure that the First Amendment is more about the press being allowed to ask you whatever question that damned well pleases them than about some prissy cunt's right not to know shit when asked about things.

Jesus Christ, you're supposed to become Vice President of the United States of America, and you invoke the Constitution because you got some sand in your vagina? Seriously? Has lording your power over some jerkwater shithole gone so far to your head that you think that the Constitution is there to serve YOU? Or are you just that fucking stupid?


Look, bitch, it's not Katie Couric's fault you know less about international relations than any given poli-sci sophomore. It's not the Post's or the Times's fault that you come off as a fucking redneck every time you open your bloody mouth. It's not CNN's fault that everybody in the entire world shakes their head at the fact (we still hope it's a joke, actually) that the most powerful nation in the world, not to mention a well-respected senator and presidential candidate, would tolerate the political equivalent of Paris Hilton as a candidate for high office.

[VoxAngelikus]

Well, she did have a retarded kid. Maybe that's proof that her stupidity can be excused on the grounds that she has retarded genes?

[Feng]

The entire 1st Amendment (all 1 sentence of it):

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I'd like to see Palin be asked what is the difference between the constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence...

[Yelram]

The entire 1st Amendment (all 1 sentence of it):


I'd like to see Palin be asked what is the difference between the constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence...

Yeah, i'm sure she doesnt know what you just learned in your POD class last year when you graduated. You do know the Bill of Rights is within the constitution right? Hence "first amendment".

[El Torpedo]

Some prankster managed to get a hold of Palin for an interview. (http://www.cbc.ca/arts/media/story/2008/11/01/palin-ckoi.html) She didn't know who the Prime Minister of Canada was.

A Montreal comedian spoke to U.S. Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin on Saturday by impersonating French President Nicolas Sarkozy.
Marc-Antoine Audette, who called from radio station CKOI, chatted to Palin about hunting, relationships, family and politics before revealing it was a prank call, according to a transcript published by the Canadian Press.
Palin officials issued a statement Saturday, saying she was "mildly amused to learn that she had joined the ranks of heads of state, including President Sarkozy, and other celebrities in being targeted by these pranksters."
Audette, who is part of the comedy duo known as the Masked Avengers, got through to Palin's campaign after days of trying, and once she's on the line, eggs her on: "You see, I [Sarkozy] got elected in France because I'm real and you seem to be someone who's real, as well."
Palin replies, "Yes, yeah. Nico, we so appreciate this opportunity."
As Sarkozy, Audette tells Palin, the governor of Alaska and a moose hunter, that he loves hunting and they should go together.
She responds that "I think we could have a lot of fun together while we're getting work done. We can kill two birds with one stone that way."
Audette speaks French at several points, which Palin doesn't understand, and uses fake names for Canadian politicians, which she doesn't catch.
He identified the Canadian prime minister as "Stef Carse" (a singer) and said that the prime minister of Quebec, "Mr. Richard Z. Sirois," (a Quebec radio host) is a good friend.
He also made a comment about how good Sarkozy's wife, supermodel Carla Bruni-Sarkozy, was in bed, and asked Palin whether she knew about the pornographic spoof video called Nailin' Paylin.
"Ohh, good, thank you, yes," she replies, according to the transcript..
The conversation lasted six minutes before Audette told Palin she had been the victim of a spoof.
He told the Canadian Press the interview was the Masked Avenger's biggest triumph, in a list that includes Stones singer Mick Jagger, pop star Britney Spears, Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates and Sarkozy — by impersonating Prime Minister Stephen Harper.
The Avengers — Audette and Sebastien Trudel — have a regular show on CKOI, and plan to air the interview before the the U.S. election on Nov. 4.

[kid_vidrio]

Yeah, i'm sure she doesnt know what you just learned in your POD class last year when you graduated. You do know the Bill of Rights is within the constitution right? Hence "first amendment".
You do know that it is not 'within' the constitution, right? Hence 'first amendment.'

[Yelram]

You do know that it is not 'within' the constitution, right? Hence 'first amendment.'

The constitution contains all of the bill of rights dumbass. The constitution wasnt ratified WITHOUT the Bill of rights, so therefore, it CONTAINS them, and they are WITHIN it. It is one document, that was altered PRIOR to its ratification. The Bill of Rights was added, purely because many states wouldnt ratify it without it.

[kid_vidrio]

The constitution contains all of the bill of rights dumbass. The constitution wasnt ratified WITHOUT the Bill of rights, so therefore, it CONTAINS them, and they are WITHIN it. It is one document, that was altered PRIOR to its ratification. The Bill of Rights was added, purely because many states wouldnt ratify it without it.
ummmm. no.

[kid_vidrio]

before we go any deeper, this is splitting hairs and not specifically on topic.
feng points out that she might not be familiar with some critical documents relating to governing our country. he rightly named the constitution and the bill of rights, since though tied together, they are frequently named separately.
the constitution was adopted at one point, and ratified at another, based on amendments.
what exactly is your point? feng asks a legit question. she should be able to state at least the difference in what we're ridiculously 'arguing' and clarify it, if she intends to uphold it that is.
i think the first thing she'd do is take her mouth of todd's pecker and let alaska be free. then she'd quit the presidency and fly back to her home country.

[Stax]

The 1st amendment (in terms of no restrictions on free speech) applies to government actors, not to private ones. The only free-speech argument Palin could make would actually be going the other way in limiting the PRESS' 1st amendment rights if she filed a defamation or libel lawsuit. Which she won't because she knows she'd lose because the press reporting that a VP selection lots of people dislike as unqualified is.... Disliked because she's unqualified? That's called reporting, not defamation or libel.

[Feng]

Yeah, i'm sure she doesnt know what you just learned in your POD class last year when you graduated. You do know the Bill of Rights is within the constitution right? Hence "first amendment".

Don't know wtf you are talking about...

The Bill of Rights is what the first 10 Amendments to the constitution have come to be known as... That is all the Bill of Rights is.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_bor.html

[freegood]

Palin for 2012...PLEASE

Palin's turkey pardon interview becomes too grisly for some (http://www.kare11.com/includes/tools/print.aspx?storyid=530132)
Updated: 11/22/2008 6:13:42 PM

WASILLA, ALASKA - Alaska Governor Sarah Palin pardoned a turkey Thursday ahead of the Thanksgiving holiday but another turkey didn't fare as well.

Warning: video could be disturbing to viewers (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/27831044#27831044)

The governor was being interviewed by a local television news station while the work of the Triple-D Farm and Hatchery continued.

That's when Governor Palin found herself in a less than desirable spot for the interview.

Just minutes after pardoning one turkey, a farm worker began processing another turkey just a few feet behind her, plainly visible in the background of the video.

Governor Palin was told by the photographer what was going on behind her and allowed the interview to continue.

(Copyright 2008 by NBC. All Rights Reserved)

[heelsguy]

it's getting pretty funny that she has people trying so hard to pin something on her. Used to be WHAT she says. Now it is what is happening in the background.

it says more about those trying so hard to grab for straws then it does about her.

[freegood]

Yeah, people would be heavily threatened if she were the 2012 frontrunner.

It's your job... no duty, to make it happen.

[heelsguy]

no, her best occupation would be to have her own talk show. she is great at casual-speak, so imagine a format where she talked politics the first half of the show with some guest like james carville, and then they went into the kitchen segment and she and carville cooked catfish eyeballs (or some other lousiana shit-food)...or moose caserole...it could be entertaining

[bdjlo09]

If Sarah Palin wins Presidency, 2012 will be the end.

[Alcestis]

Palin's 17 y/o daughter is pregnant. What a fucking shame.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/sarah_palins_teenage_daughter.html

http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/01/Bristol%20Palin%20small.jpg

Not starting a new thread for this...

"It's a Boy!"

ANCHORAGE - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's teenage daughter Bristol has given birth to a son, People magazine reported Monday.

The 7 pound, 4 ounce baby was born Sunday in Palmer and is named Tripp Easton Mitchell Johnston, reported People, which spoke to Sarah Palin's aunt Colleen Jones.

"The baby is fine, and Bristol is doing well. Everyone is excited," Jones told the magazine.

www.msnbc.msn.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28425990/?gt1=43001)

[Aegis]

I'll bet her Dad is the father.

[Mustard]

His name is Tripp... what a bunch of faggotry.

[mongo]

i'd still fuck the second daughter.

[Gary_Busey]

Those are some stout girls.

[Genius]

Whore.

[BiōHazard]

gilf 08

[BIG PIZZLE]

Bastard baby momma. Classy.

[freegood]

I'll bet her Dad is the father.

That was the first kid...the one with the Down's Syndrome.


Incest is best.