VP Candidate Palin

[Emjanss]

link (http://beldar.blogs.com/beldarblog/2008/06/review-kaylene.html) (Revue of biography written in June 2008)

excerpts of the revue. The revuer is entirely pro-McCain and it seems that the biography is entirely pro-Palin, so I take this as just one side of the story.
she was a high school basketball player (and also ran track). "Sarah Barracuda," they called her for her competitiveness on the court.... Until her senior year in high school, Palin was frustrated at being relegated to the junior varsity; she was a team captain, but not one of the team's two top scorers; and an ankle injury kept her out of most of the second half of that championship game. Her coach put her back into the lineup to seal the win against a heavily favored Anchorage team — whereupon she drew a foul and hit a free-throw to score the game's final point.


by 1992, Palin "felt a yearning to try to make a difference in her community. Like her years playing basketball," writes Johnson, "she wasn't interested in sitting on the sidelines."
So did she become a "community organizer"?
Johnson doesn't use that term, and I doubt either the term or the notion ever occurred to Sarah Palin. Instead, she ran for the Wasilla city council, going "door to door pulling a wagon with four-year-old son Track and two-year-old daughter Bristol." The existing political establishment had expected a passive homemaker who'd support the status quo, but that was not to be:

Within weeks, Palin had upset the status quo by voting against a pay raise for the mayor and an exclusive city-wide garbage pickup contract with Carney's company. But during her second term, she became convinced that she needed to throw the good-old-boy network out entirely — so she decided to run for mayor herself in 1996, and she whipped the long-time incumbent handily.

As mayor, Palin took a voluntary pay cut from $68,000 to $64,200, cut real property taxes and eliminated taxes on personal property and business inventory, and sponsored a $5.5 million road and sewer bond to promote new commercial development. In 1999, Stein ran against her again, but she whipped him by an even larger margin than the first time. By then, she was attracting state-wide attention, which resulted in her being elected president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors.

[In 2000]governor Murkowski promptly appointed her to chair the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission — and there begins the tale of Palin as a reformer on a statewide stage. Johnson recounts how Palin tried, without success, to force fellow Commissioner Randy Ruedrich to comply with statutory ethics reporting requirements. Ruedrich, who was also the chair of the Alaskan Republican Party, apparently felt himself to be exempt from such concerns, and he also felt no qualms about billing his Commission expense account for political traveling or using Commission personnel and material to do party work. Moreover, rather than looking out for the public interest, he effectively turned himself into a lobbyist and public spokesman for a company that had secretly leased from the state certain underground rights to extract natural gas from coal seams under private property. Palin's written and oral complaints to Alaska's attorney general, Gregg Renkes, eventually forced Ruedrich's resignation from the Commission.

Renkes' office ordered her to stay mum and stonewall the press. Her further complaints to Murkowski were also ignored.
Frustrated, Palin resigned from the Commission. She was partially vindicated in the public's eyes, however, when Ruedrich negotiated a settlement of the ethics claims against him in which he admitted to three out of four alleged violations and paid a $12,000 fine. Palin then continued to speak out against what she perceived as ethical lapses on the part of both Attorney General Renkes and Governor Murkowski.

[she wrote an opinion piece published in the Anchorage Daily News] slamming Murkowski for "hiring his own counsel, paid for by the state, to investigate his long-time friend, confidant, and campaign manager [Renkes]," Sarah concluded by writing, "Despite those in Juneau who think otherwise, it's healthy for democracy to ask questions. And I'll bet there are hockey moms and housewives all across this great state who agree."
Two months later, Renkes resigned.

But in 2005, she decided to challenge Frank Murkowski himself in the 2006 GOP gubernatorial primary.

[Palin won] the GOP primary without a run-off by capturing 51% of the vote (compared to Murkowski's 19%), Palin went on to win a three-way general election, garnering 48% of the vote to defeat Democrat Tony Knowles' 41% showing.

during her first two years as governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin has actually demonstrated an ability to govern

Some acts were symbolic: Among her first decisions in office was to list the corporate jet that her predecessor had acquired for sale on eBay, and she fired the executive chef from the Governor's Mansion because she and "First Dude" Todd believe they're perfectly capable of cooking for their own family.

At her urging, for example, the Alaska Legislature has repealed an oil and gas severance taxation system that Murkowski had negotiated behind closed doors with BP, ExxonMobil, and ConocoPhillips, replacing it with a slightly higher tax structure negotiated transparently and at arms' length. Gov. Palin has also worked with the legislature to encourage these three big oil companies — and others who are not already so heavily invested in Alaska — to compete in developing a natural gas pipeline that will bring cheaper and more reliable energy to Alaska's own consumers and eventually permit cheap export of natural gas to the Lower 48 states. Palin has shown herself to be simultaneously pro-environment, pro-development, pro-competition, and emphatically outside the pockets of either the corporate powers-that-be or their traditional politician allies.


After reading that I want to not only read the book, but in 4 year I could easily vote for her for President.

For giggles, here's a link to the book on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Sarah-Turned-Alaskas-Political-Establishment/dp/0979047080/&tag=thecooperunionam)

[kareyn01]

Weren't you a Clinton supporter in the Democratic primary? Just asking.

[Emjanss]

Weren't you a Clinton supporter in the Democratic primary? Just asking.

My preference was Senator Clinton over Senator Obama, yes.

Also Governor Romney over Senator McCain, so I was 0 for 2.

[Stax]

Romney-Clinton would a really really different race.

[ADD]

I'd hit it as well. I would never give it my vote.

[ADD]

Turn in your man card

[vasili denisov]

I think McCain gets to distract from the euphoria of Obama's speech last night with this pick and that's it. This theory that they'll pull off Hillary's supporters I think is utter bunk; Hillary's supporters were mostly older women who identified with her even more acutely because she wasn't this glammed up MILF. She probably pulled in even more women from that demographic when she got picked on for looking lousy in close-ups and pant suits. Palin is from a later generation, and her supporters will look at her as someone who benefited from their struggles, without ever having to make the same fights they did. And no way is an under-35 Clinton supporter going to go for someone who's pro-life and anti-gay marriage.

And picking someone from Alaska makes me nervous as hell, it's like picking someone from Jersey; I hope McCain's crew did a thorough job vetting her connections, because it won't be the tangible scandals that'll kill her, it's taint and suspicion of something larger. If the democrats can find something like that, and make it haunt the ticket, they'll have a better chance of winning.

[Mustard]

If anyone thinks that Joe Biden will pull any punches in his debate with Sarah Palin just because she is a woman, then you are sadly mistaken. Joe Biden is a bulldog with 6 terms under his belt as a US Senator, and will completely eviscerate Palin and her less-than-two years of Alaska Governership during the VP debate.

[Creepnation]

She's pretty hot.

[epyon001]

No doubt that Biden can debate the hell out of anyone, but in a ticket where image is emphasized so much, he'll still have to temper it some. The older, debate-watching crowd isn't going to take kindly to a guy like Biden stompimg on a woman with remarks like, "I think I have a much higher IQ than you do."

[Captain Insano]

The VP debates are totally lame...at least the last 5 or 6 I've seen. Even when Quayle got the "your no Kennedy..." blast it didn't matter. The VP debates are a complete waste.

[Creepnation]

I hears somewhere that they were going to ask Biden to "take it easy on her" in the debates. Fuck that.

[Blue]

Is he just biden his time?

[Stax]

Is he just biden his time?

McCain's choice is just as foolish whether you look at it from a political perspective or just one of pure image. A real Palin-drome.

[Aegis]

Sad choice the way I see it. I was looking forward to a good race and a possible neck and neck finish but now the Anti-Christ Obama may as well break out the champagne.

[Creepnation]

They look like your typical jock/cheerleader combo.

[Jericho]

Is he just biden his time?
lame

[Claydon]

If anyone thinks that Joe Biden will pull any punches in his debate with Sarah Palin just because she is a woman, then you are sadly mistaken. Joe Biden is a bulldog with 6 terms under his belt as a US Senator, and will completely eviscerate Palin and her less-than-two years of Alaska Governership during the VP debate.

Yah, Biden's eloquence is legendary in Washington.

Need I remind you of the "clean black man" statement once again.

[Mustard]

So you don't dispute that Palin is going to have her ass handed to her by Biden in the VP debate.

You sure said (or didn't say, I should say) a mouthful there.

[iolas]

If anyone thinks that Joe Biden will pull any punches in his debate with Sarah Palin just because she is a woman, then you are sadly mistaken. Joe Biden is a bulldog with 6 terms under his belt as a US Senator, and will completely eviscerate Palin and her less-than-two years of Alaska Governership during the VP debate.


I guess it sucks for you that no one watches the VP debates though.

[Stax]

So hot...


I judge how good a pick it is by how nervous the other side gets. Right now they are pissing themselves.

Really? REALLY? Half the Democratic commentators I've seen are basically laughing their asses off as politely as they can on national television. Paul Begala, for example, "This isn't an out of the box pick, it's an out of his mind pick."

[Stax]

That's Begala pissing himself. They scream, they chide, they call names...if she was such a shitty pick, they'd say "Good! We'll cream her!" I haven't heard one say that yet.

Uh huh. So Obama, Biden, Kerry, both Clintons, etc were wetting themselves when they complimented McCain's service in their speeches rather than saying "We're gonna' skin him, tan him, and make an Obama banner out of his hide"?

People in politics don't say that shit.

[Mustard]

I guess it sucks for you that no one watches the VP debates though.
Yeah, it must really be horrible for me that the candidate I'm supporting didn't pick his VP as part of a political ploy and gimmick...

Obama and (especially) Biden are going to rip her to shreds.

I'M TERRIFIED I SAY! TERRIFIED!!!

[ADD]

Turn in yours.

I'm not the one picking a bitch over a dude for potential President

[TheImpossibleMan]

Will Clinton-Romney run on the Bull-Moose ticket?

[Hobnail_Boot]

I'd hit it.

[freegood]

I guess some fairness should be given... She could very well handle herself very well in a debate. I don't know much about her personality.

Still don't know what mold she fits in. I wonder if Republicans are looking for a Laura Bush in her.

Carly Fiorina might've been a better pick to exploit the PUMA angle.

[Stax]

It's things like this that scare the opposition. She was willing to do this to the corrupt in her own party.

Yes I am incredibly frightened that she understands that it's a good idea to publicly get rid of big obvious pieces of corruption from the previous administration.

[Pharon]

It's things like this that scare the opposition. She was willing to do this to the corrupt in her own party.
How is deciding to buy a jet corrupt? Wasteful spending, maybe, but hardly corrupt.

[BooBooBear]

I'd bang her six ways from Sunday. :)

[freegood]

How is deciding to buy a jet corrupt? Wasteful spending, maybe, but hardly corrupt.

I'm guessing it's more symbolic against the corrupt fuckers in Alaska like Ted Stevens than the act itself being proven corrupt.

[Stax]

More. From the Financial Times:

NO WAI! DEMOCRATS FAILED TO WIN AN ELECTION IN ALASKA!?

[Stax]

I'M STILL SO AMAZED THAT SHE BEAT A CORRUPT GOVERNOR AND THEN WON AS A REPUBLICAN IN ALASKA! TELL ME MORE!

[kid_vidrio]

Not for nothing, I found her inflection to be a little annoying.

So....is the beltway ready for a whistleblower? Something of a conundrum they have.
The last 8 years have seen whistleblowers chased out of town and shot.

[freegood]

If McCain and Palin push hard the end corruption/waste platform and follow through, I might vote Republican the next time.

[Stax]

Again this shit mystifies me. Obama pushes through a piece of federal ethics legislation and gets nothing, Palin knocks out a corrupt governor and cuts some fat nobody likes and is getting crowned queen of ethics.

EDIT - To say nothing of McCain's lobby-I mean campaign staff.

[Genius]

Anyone short of Mitt Romney was bound to be a disappointment to most of the Republican electorate. So this borders on catastrophic failure.

[freegood]

Again this shit mystifies me. Obama pushes through a piece of federal ethics legislation and gets nothing, Palin knocks out a corrupt governor and cuts some fat nobody likes and is getting crowned queen of ethics.

EDIT - To say nothing of McCain's lobby-I mean campaign staff.

McCain has a better reputation for trying to push campaign ethics reform (doesn't mean it's great) and reducing government waste. If he reverts back to the old McCain should he be reelected, he might not be popular, but at least there'd be something done with wasteful spending.

Obama doesn't have that history or reputation. He only has the promise of following through.

[Mr. Brown]

Again this shit mystifies me. Obama pushes through a piece of federal ethics legislation and gets nothing, Palin knocks out a corrupt governor and cuts some fat nobody likes and is getting crowned queen of ethics.

Yeah that's what I think has been rubbing me the wrong way. After reading up on her some more she may be not such a bad choice. I don't agree with her ideologies, but she seems very competent. Too bad she's running under McCain.

[Hanover Fist]

Anyone short of Mitt Romney was bound to be a disappointment to most of the Republican electorate. So this borders on catastrophic failure.

Actually not, I've had time to talk to relatives and friends and they all think this was a great pick. I haven't heard a single one that said they thought it was bad. Most voiced surprised that McCain picked a staunch conservative instead of one of many of his RINO friends. Palin is more conservative than even Romney. I myself think this is a great pick, and it may convince me to pull the level for the McCain ticket, even though on the whole I can't stand him. He is better than Obama in every way and Having Palin onboard makes it much more palatable.

[kid_vidrio]

Palintable?

[Hanover Fist]

Palintable?

Well she is pretty edible.

[Pharon]

Wow, that's some spin. You just hear all that on Fox or something?

[Mr. Brown]

The woman has been front page news for a day and we already know more of her resume than Obama's.
Well that's b/c you can read all you need to know about her in like an hour. Not taking away from her, but it's not like she has a long back story.

[Deadhead Derek]

well she was a huge supporter of Pat Buchanan... and it has been said she has a great deal of foreign cred cause " Alaska's so close to Russia"
what a fucking joke.

[TheImpossibleMan]

I read it last night, I freaked out about it, I slept on it, and when I woke up this morning...I still couldn't believe McCain had chosen Palin. Just unbelievable. John McCain, you have balls the size of the sun. I think this is extremely high risk and extremely high reward. I think this move has the potential to either be such a successful coup that it wins McCain the presidency, or such a disaister that he gets crushed, I really do.

[Deadhead Derek]

way to take a stand there Tim...it will cost McCain.

[Genius]

The woman has been front page news for a day and we already know more of her resume than Obama's. I would expect a critical thinker to question why the self-proclaimed "candidate of change" would pick such an establishment running-mate. Now McCain picks a real outsider with executive and energy experience, and suddenly his critics say she should get back in the kitchen.
Ok, you want to fuck her. We get it. You could dig up this shit on any politician in the country, good or bad. But so far one of McCain's main criticisms of Obama has been lack of experience. And now he picks a running mate with less experience than Obama, who is next in line for the Presidency, behind a guy who is ancient and could very well die in office. He's potentially cut himself off at the knees. Is this woman ready to be President? I don't think she even comes close.

[ADD]

A women President?


Lulz lulz lulz lulz lulz lulz lulz lulz

[Mr. Brown]

She is being groomed by this nomination for a run down the road. The GOP is going to milk it as they are the party who put her on the ticket. Win or lose this is a power play for down the road.

[Deadhead Derek]

I don't give a rats ass about gender in politics, but I would love it if in a nation of 300 million we could come up with a wider swath of capable people seeking office.

[ADD]

A run at what? If Hillary can't win, she will?

[TheImpossibleMan]

I don't think it's relevant that she has less experience, or if she had the same, or if she had slightly more. What matters is that she has a low amount of experience, so McCain trying to criticize Obama for being too young and too new to the 'political scene' as you will, will no long work.

[Genius]

It isn't relevant that she has less experience. Except that the McCain campaign made it relevant when they have constantly said that experience DOES matter, and it matters a ton. My point, if you re-read, is that McCain loses a key argument that his people have hammered again and again with this choice.

[TheImpossibleMan]

Wether you like Palin or not, I feel it's still too early to say, one way or the other, whether her selection should be viewed as a triumph or a failure.

[kid_vidrio]

I honestly don't think Sarah Barracuda has any idea what the crush of national media is going to be like, and though she is strong and can shoot 3 pointers at the buzzer with a stress fracture, will wilt under this light.

Best of luck to her though.

[Genius]

I hope there's naked pictures of her from when she was an undergrad.

[kid_vidrio]

http://www.hollywood-newsroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/sarahpalinnude21.jpg
http://www.hollywood-newsroom.com/gossip/sarah-palin-naked/
http://www.hollywood-newsroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/sarah-palin-hot.jpg

[Stax]

Whoever has footage of that Miss Alaska pagent she was in is a rich man today, BTW.

[Genius]

Well that's a nice start.

[Mustard]

What has Obama done?
Well Spaceman, Obama has more time served in the US Senate than Palin does being Governor of Alaksa 4 to 2 (and Alaska is the 47th most populous state mind you while Illinois is the 5th most populous), not to mention the fact that Obama also was in the Illinois Senate serving his district for 8 years as well.

In a campaign such as McCain's where he has been saying since Obama was the presumptive nominee that Obama is not ready to lead, McCain has done a great disservice to his OWN campaign's strongest message by picking a less-experienced choice for VP that will be one 72 year-old heartbeat away from the Presidency. To make that argument now McCain will come off as a total hypocrite, and a man with bad judgment in the decision-making department.

[Mustard]

I hope there's naked pictures of her from when she was an undergrad.
Are you a psychic or something...

wow, talk about ask and you shall receive.

[kid_vidrio]

fwiw, this is who she lost to in the pageant:
http://www.missalaskapageant.com/images/270_1984.jpg

[Genius]

Are you a psychic or something...

wow, talk about ask and you shall receive.
Well, as soon as I saw her, I KNEW the DNC had people scouring the Internet. It was only a matter of time.

[kid_vidrio]

He made two children!

[Genius]

What did he get done during that time of service?

and fuck you for the spaceman crack <3
Look, if you're that capable at doing research looking up what the candidate you're backing has accomplished, then you can go find the shit yourself.

[VoxAngelikus]

He made two children!

Yeah, and none of them are Down Syndrome monsters like Palin's should-have-been-aborted nightmare of a baby.

[Stax]

Yeah, and none of them are Down Syndrome monsters like Palin's should-have-been-aborted nightmare of a baby.

Tits on her 16 year old are pretty nice, lets play wait and see for now.

[Claydon]

Tits on her 16 year old are pretty nice, lets play wait and see for now.

I am all for tits.

Tits in 08!

[kid_vidrio]

I am all for tits.

Tits in 08!
They may have to cut some more pieces off McCain to keep him alive.

'Bits and tits in 08!'

[TheImpossibleMan]

Palin's kids are named Track, Trig, Bristol, Willow, and Piper.

[Genius]

Palin's kids are named Track, Trig, Bristol, Willow, and Piper.
I knew it! She's a hippy double-agent! Score one for counter-espionage!

[VoxAngelikus]

Tits on her 16 year old are pretty nice, lets play wait and see for now.


How is she going to be an effective VP with a special needs child? First of all it seems like the ultimate feel-good gimmick, "The hockey mom who wouldn't abort her baby even though she knew he was going to have Down Syndrome!" Aww!! How unbelievably fucking sweet!

You know, that's it, I'm voting for her now! She is raising a DOWN SYNDROME BABY! Wow! Big fucking deal. There are people raising kids with handicaps from MS to Down Syndrome to autism all across this country. I wonder if they're not going to angle to get their votes, hmm?

Second of all, I can't comprehend how McCain can build his entire campaign to this point with adverts that attack how little experience Obama has, but then he picks someone with just as little, if not less, experience than Obama. Hello? That's bullshit right out of the gate, because it means either McCain does not think inexperience is a big deal, making him a hypocrite, or, McCain thinks Obama is onto something and is trying to mix young and female, a combo that you would have had on an Obama/Clinton ticket.

P

[Genius]

I have looked. He's done nothing. I'm just wondering if anyone else has figured that out. Everybody is gaga over this guy, but he's hollow. He's probably just a pretty face for the folks with the money and the special interests.
I wasn't impressed by anything you posted about Palin, and you're making her out to be Jesus with a vagina.

[VoxAngelikus]

And another reason I would never vote for Palin:

She looks like that one high school teacher you have who is young and might be hot if she didn't run her classes like a real strict cunt. Or the substitute teacher in school who thinks she has to teach the class at the same level as the regular teacher, when really all she needs to do is put a video on, pass out some dittos, or let the kids have an informal study hall where you are possibly allowed to smoke cigarettes out the window and definitely allowed to play some wicked games of Four Corners or 7-Up.

[vasili denisov]

If I was working for the McCain campaign, this would be my reaction to this pick. *Carlito's Way spoilers*
http://i33.tinypic.com/33wtddx.jpg

[Stax]

And another reason I would never vote for Palin:

She looks like that one high school teacher you have who is young and might be hot if she didn't run her classes like a real strict cunt. Or the substitute teacher in school who thinks she has to teach the class at the same level as the regular teacher, when really all she needs to do is put a video on, pass out some dittos, or let the kids have an informal study hall where you are possibly allowed to smoke cigarettes out the window and definitely allowed to play some wicked games of Four Corners or 7-Up.

Holy shit Ms. Halpern, my 8th grade English teacher. Was a divorcee, was sort of awkwardly half dating a baldy short Frenchman fellow teacher, my 8th grade self was so sure I could hit that.

Sarah Palin is my 8th grade English teacher.

[VoxAngelikus]

What happens if John McCain and Sarah Palin are flying in a plane and it crashes and kills them at the same time? Does that mean Joebama automatically wins?

[Mustard]

What did he get done during that time of service?

and fuck you for the spaceman crack <3
Alright, just for you since I did make the Spaceman quip, here are some links for you... but its wikipedia, so don't let Claydon see it, or his vagina will bleed all over GMF.

Illinois Senate career info (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_Senate_career_of_Barack_Obama)

US Senate career info. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_career_of_Barack_Obama)

[Genius]

Then we have to listen to Ron Paul for three more months, on a national stage. So everyone pray for McCain and Palin.

[Deadhead Derek]

HL, what is it you think a Pres candidate should have done prior to running? what is the standard?
Should the political figurehead of our nation be able to speak in a way as to engage the public, and the world at large, without stumbling over his, or more accurately, his or her speech writers words?
The role of CIC is one that still defers to the Joint Chiefs for advice , not to mention a lack of formal declaration of war in the last few years...

[Stax]

My ideal candidate gets the government out of my way.

That's ideology, not experience, way to dodge the question.

[kid_vidrio]

My ideal candidate gets the government out of my way.
My ideal candidate gets me blown and increases my net worth in the process, but Gordon Gecko isn't running.

[TheImpossibleMan]

Patton Oswalt had a great bit once on comic book alternate realities, about where Dr. Doom is king of the world or some such. And he said "Doesn't it feel like we're living in one of those alternate realities where George Bush won the 2000 election?" It was a funny bit. And I feel that way now, that we're living in an alternate world where John McCain nominates Sarah Palin.

[TheImpossibleMan]

As brilliant a political move as I find the nomination of Sarah Palin, I don't think you can credibly argue that she's ready to run the United States in the event that John McCain is incapacitated or killed.

[The Batman]

You know who this reminds me of? Picking someone who has no business doing an important job like this... that whole thing with Harriet Miers.
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/law/0509/harriet.miers/popup.miers.ap.jpg

Bush wanted someone with no business in the Supreme Court to be nominated just to appease his base, rather than look at the big picture and hire someone who would do the job well. This lady has no business running for vice president and anyone who votes for her should be ashamed. I know Obama does not have a long history in the government, but running a town of 20,000 for 2 years hardly qualifies as running a country this size. Also, at least Obama also speaks to us like adults and doesn't skirt issues and comes at them at practical ways. And then to top it off, only a month ago she asked what does a vice president do? I mean, lets get serious folks. Do we want someone like this really running just because she wants to stop abortions? I wish all the republicans would get off their high fucking horse, come to earth like the rest of us and realize that the presidency is no place for a priest trying to capitalize on a few moral issues. The presidency is for someone who is intelligent, articulate and can handle issues that he is facing from a practical prospective, not a religious one. Also, I want to make it clear that I was a big fan of McCain until he chose this woman. Its decisions like this that remind me of Bush and we all know that guy needs to go.

[Mustard]

Patton Oswalt had a great bit once on comic book alternate realities, about where Dr. Doom is king of the world or some such. And he said "Doesn't it feel like we're living in one of those alternate realities where George Bush won the 2000 election?" It was a funny bit. And I feel that way now, that we're living in an alternate world where John McCain nominates Sarah Palin.
Yes... it really is that bad.

[The Batman]

I have looked. He's done nothing. I'm just wondering if anyone else has figured that out. Everybody is gaga over this guy, but he's hollow. He's probably just a pretty face for the folks with the money and the special interests.


Let say that is true. That he has done nothing. I would say all the things that he wants to accomplish and has laid out is far more important. This guy is one of the few presidential candidates that have come to the podium offering common sense and practical responses to issues. You can't tell me anything from the speech he gave the other night is going to be a bad idea and bad for the country. Especially the abortion thing, because he did the one thing no one else has, addressed the real issue. He knows the people for it and against it won't change, so why not address the problem of having unwanted pregnancies, the REAL issue.

[TheImpossibleMan]

Let say that is true. That he has done nothing. I would say all the things that he wants to accomplish and has laid out is far more important. This guy is one of the few presidential candidates that have come to the podium offering common sense and practical responses to issues. You can't tell me anything from the speech he gave the other night is going to be a bad idea and bad for the country. Especially the abortion thing, because he did the one thing no one else has, addressed the real issue. He knows the people for it and against it won't change, so why not address the problem of having unwanted pregnancies, the REAL issue.
I was most impressed by his reaction to the Rev Wright incident, when he very intelligently and candidly talked about racial tensions in the country. It was really incredible, presidential candidates aren't supposed to (or expected) to talk about issues like that so frankly and honestly.

[The Batman]

I was most impressed by his reaction to the Rev Wright incident, when he very intelligently and candidly talked about racial tensions in the country. It was really incredible, presidential candidates aren't supposed to (or expected) to talk about issues like that so frankly and honestly.

Exactly. Everyone is soooo scared of offending everyone else that we forget that we are adults and we can talk frankly about things without getting all pissed off. Its about time that someone was honest with the people of this country and spoke them that way as well.

[cAsE sEnSiTiVe]

Let say that is true. That he has done nothing. I would say all the things that he wants to accomplish and has laid out is far more important. This guy is one of the few presidential candidates that have come to the podium offering common sense and practical responses to issues. You can't tell me anything from the speech he gave the other night is going to be a bad idea and bad for the country. Especially the abortion thing, because he did the one thing no one else has, addressed the real issue. He knows the people for it and against it won't change, so why not address the problem of having unwanted pregnancies, the REAL issue.

There are so many other far more important issues plaguing this country than the topic of abortion, I don't know where to begin. We need to address these before we legally decide what a woman can, or cannot do with her own body. The ONLY reason he brought it up is because it's a hot plate issue with women.....and therefore fodder for votes.

[The Batman]

There are so many other far more important issues plaguing this country than the topic of abortion, I don't know where to begin. We need to address these before we legally decide what a woman can, or cannot do with her own body. The ONLY reason he brought it up is because it's a hot plate issue with women.....and therefore fodder for votes.


Thank you! There are more important things. But apparently McCain disagrees because if he agreed there were more important things than he would have elected someone else for VP.

[Stax]

There are so many other far more important issues plaguing this country than the topic of abortion, I don't know where to begin. We need to address these before we legally decide what a woman can, or cannot do with her own body. The ONLY reason he brought it up is because it's a hot plate issue with women.....and therefore fodder for votes.

No, pretty sure he brought up abortion for the same reason 11 states had anti-gay marriage proposals on the ballot in 04. The evangelical wing of the party disliked the presidential candidate, so the party threw them a bone to get them to the polls on election day.

[Mr. Brown]

There are so many other far more important issues plaguing this country than the topic of abortion, I don't know where to begin. We need to address these before we legally decide what a woman can, or cannot do with her own body. The ONLY reason he brought it up is because it's a hot plate issue with women.....and therefore fodder for votes.
Actually if we get families to be families again we then have positive role models in the home it may help with children do better in school. That in turn gets them thinking about the future and off the streets and wasting their time. They go on to higher education or join/create the workforce.

If people are working making a decent living feel safe domestically, and are educated then we will have true posterity in the nation.

[Mr. Brown]

fwiw, this is who she lost to in the pageant:
http://www.missalaskapageant.com/images/270_1984.jpg

well that was around the time that Vanessa L. Williams won Miss America.

[Crack]

How about this one?

McCain did nothing to repair the degradation of the Synapses(measure of intelligence) in his brain from POW imprisonment!

That means he fucking lacks the COGNITIVE ABILITY to effectively perform analysis or problem solving skills....

You can't blame McCain though, his brain is Physicially defunctive which there is absolutely no outside agument against.


Unfortunately politicians tend not to have ANY understanding of Biology and are incapable of raising this issue...

Obama should challenge McCain to an IQ test imo, the pattern recognition alone would expose the diminished mental capacity that McCain suffers from.

[epyon001]

http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr282/808michael/rabbit_pancake.jpg

[Stax]

http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr282/808michael/rabbit_pancake.jpg

I like this guy

[TheImpossibleMan]

Only 30 posts and he's already telling Crack to get fucked, he's a quick learner.

[Stax]

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223

Horrible bias, sure, but they'd better hope that story doesn't catch on.

[TheImpossibleMan]

That's a bold, bold claim, I'm interested to hear the other side.

[Mustard]

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223

Horrible bias, sure, but they'd better hope that story doesn't catch on.
Well... on the face of it I guess it seems plausible. I just don't know though.

A DNA test would be sufficient to put this story to bed.

[taters]

I love the fact that McCain picks someone with about 2 years of political experience as a vice president, yet claims his opponent, with 6+ does not have enough.

Would it be sexist to ask if there was a correlation between the fact that this women is moderately attractive, and she managed to win an election in a historically male dominated state with a near 3 to 1 ratio of men to women aged 18 -35? I mean, if youve been to Alaska you know the pickens aint that great and attractiveness is hard to find.

What is that saying "In alaska the odds are good, but the goods are odd'?

[freegood]

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223

Horrible bias, sure, but they'd better hope that story doesn't catch on.

That Kos blogger practically ripped this story off a tabloid (http://www.mediatakeout.com/2008/26264-stunning_rumor_mccains_vp_choice_may_have_hid_daug hters_pregnancy__claimed_the_baby_as_her_own_.html ).

I totally despise Drudge-style whisper tactics. Hope that bastard or any shill like him dies in a fire.

[Stax]

I don't deny that this is a tabloid level story at this point. I highly doubt it is even true. But it doesn't strike you as at least slightly odd that a woman is going into labor, leaking fluids, and she says 'Nah, I'll give the speech (rather than go to a hospital) then fly for several hours (rather than go to a hospital right then) then drive to this small town (rather than go to a hospital right then) only to finally give birth there'? And that her 16 year old daughter was pulled out of school for a disease that lasts months shorter than she was out for, coinciding with Palins pregnancy? That Palin's pregnancy went entirely unnoticed for months, and she was back on the job after 3 days? That the kid has a disease quite rare in older mothers but orders of magnitude more common in younger mothers?

[taters]

If the tabliods could uncover John Edwards...

[BIG PIZZLE]

This is a carl rove move from a supposed mavrick.

[Stax]

This is a carl rove move from a supposed mavrick.

You can't capitalize, spell Karl or maverick, or even assign the powers-that-be behind this supposed action to the right person. And you're a doctor lawyer space cowboy?

[freegood]

I don't deny that this is a tabloid level story at this point. I highly doubt it is even true. But it doesn't strike you as at least slightly odd that a woman is going into labor, leaking fluids, and she says 'Nah, I'll give the speech (rather than go to a hospital) then fly for several hours (rather than go to a hospital right then) then drive to this small town (rather than go to a hospital right then) only to finally give birth there'? And that her 16 year old daughter was pulled out of school for a disease that lasts months shorter than she was out for, coinciding with Palins pregnancy? That Palin's pregnancy went entirely unnoticed for months, and she was back on the job after 3 days? That the kid has a disease quite rare in older mothers but orders of magnitude more common in younger mothers?

I don't expect rumors to reek like horseshit in order for people to know it fails a smell test. Reporting rumors itself with the disclaimer "we've been seeing this on the internet" is a continued low for journalism and lacks any honesty, respect or intelligence given to the viewer.

I'm also getting sick of the "Enquirer found the Edwards mistress" excuse. Sometimes things aren't noticed by the media. It DOES NOT mean everything unreported is true by logical association. Just more fodder for tin-foil hat morons to believe what they want to believe.

P.S. Chromosonal problems affect older pregnant women more than younger. Younger women are screened less for it and that's why there's more Down Syndrome babies born from them.

[Stax]

P.S. Chromosonal problems affect older pregnant women more than younger. Younger women are screened less for it and that's why there's more Down Syndrome babies born from them.

Really? Enough older mothers who catch it with screening choose to abort that it actually shifts the stats that way? That's interesting to me.

As for the story itself, if that's true it certainly takes out a leg of it, but until someone explains why a woman at risk for infection, a month prematurely midlabor decided to give a speech, get on a plane, and then drive to a small town (ignoring hospitals at each stage) before giving birth I will at least be confused.

[Mustard]

The real litmus test we all should be discussing is whether or not you think that Sarah Palin should be within a moment's notice of being the President of the United States.

That thought alone makes me VERY uneasy.

[Stax]

Oh I've already decided I don't want her anywhere near the Oval Office, but if it turns out she lied to cover up her daughter's pregnancy (and how did she get the daughter to play along, I can't imagine it would be too peaceful a conversation in such a pro-life house) and then the Republican party tried to play said child as another bit of her hockey mom style... :/

[cAsE sEnSiTiVe]

The real litmus test we all should be discussing is whether or not you think that Sarah Palin should be within a moment's notice of being the President of the United States.

That thought alone makes me VERY uneasy.

Not NEARLY as uneasy as the thought of Ba-Rockstar does me.

[Mr. Brown]

Well I for one hope this "who's the mommy" ish is NOT true, I would actually like to see this race go down to who's the better person for the nation, not whom has the least skeletons in the closet.

[The GWD]

The real litmus test we all should be discussing is whether or not you think that Sarah Palin should be within a moment's notice of being the President of the United States.

That thought alone makes me VERY uneasy.

Exactly.

Palin is McCain's fucking tool, and has not proven shit that shows she could handle a country.

[vasili denisov]

The last election was so boring. Thank god this one's being written by Darren Star.

[Insomniac]

The real litmus test we all should be discussing is whether or not you think that Sarah Palin should be within a moment's notice of being the President of the United States.

That thought alone makes me VERY uneasy.

Actually, that's exactly the issue the Republicans want to be discussed because when the Democrats attack the bottom of the GOP ticket, they're attacking the top of their own. As you've seen here.

People don't worry about who can step in to be president unless they're already okay with the person actually elected president.

If vice presidents mattered, George H.W. Bush would have gotten murdered in '88, and he didn't because no one really cares in November.

But people talk a lot about it between now and then, and it can only hurt Obama to do it.

[Crack]

Can't attack experience but certainly decision making would be the wiser avenue of assault.

[vasili denisov]

The real litmus test we all should be discussing is whether or not you think that Sarah Palin should be within a moment's notice of being the President of the United States.

That thought alone makes me VERY uneasy.

Not NEARLY as uneasy as the thought of Ba-Rockstar does me.
Don't worry. Barack would never do you.

[Desperado]

Well...
Palin booed for mentioning Hillary Clinton (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/30/palin-booed-for-mentioning-hillary-clinton/)



http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/08/30/art.palinpa.gi.jpg Palin is praising Clinton on the trail as the GOP woos the New York senator’s supporters.

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/corner_wire_BL.gif

WASHINGTON, Pennsylvania (CNN) – This might not be the best way to reach out to those disillusioned Hillary Clinton supporters.
In just her second appearance on the campaign trail with John McCain, newly-minted GOP running mate Sarah Palin was showered with boos on Saturday for attempting to praise Clinton’s trail-blazing bid to become the first female president.
As she did at in her debut speech in Ohio yesterday, Palin appealed to the women in the crowd here in Pennsylvania with a political shout-out to Geraldine Ferraro, who preceded Palin as the first women to be tapped as a vice presidential candidate.
But in contrast with the mild reception that greeted her comments at the Ohio event, when Palin praised Clinton here for showing “determination and grace in her presidential campaign,” the Alaska governor was met with a noisy mix of boos, groans and grumbles around the minor league ballpark where the “Road to the Convention Rally” was held.
Palin quickly recovered, promising the audience that female candidates weren’t yet finished, and that she and McCain were on their way to victory in November.

[Stax]

My god they have no subtlety. "female candidates weren't yet finished", they really are trying to grab voters by their vaginas regardless of actual ideas.

[Claydon]

My god they have no subtlety. "female candidates weren't yet finished", they really are trying to grab voters by their vaginas regardless of actual ideas.


Kind of like blacks voting for obama because he is....well ..... black.

Dems have made a career out of race and gender politics for decades.

[TheImpossibleMan]

Yes, because that's been a central part of Obama's campaign. 'Vote for me because I'm black'. It isn't like he's repeatedly handled race issues with intelligence and candor...Jesus Christ man.

[TheImpossibleMan]

Bza63nnqiKA

[freegood]

Really? Enough older mothers who catch it with screening choose to abort that it actually shifts the stats that way? That's interesting to me.

As for the story itself, if that's true it certainly takes out a leg of it, but until someone explains why a woman at risk for infection, a month prematurely midlabor decided to give a speech, get on a plane, and then drive to a small town (ignoring hospitals at each stage) before giving birth I will at least be confused.

Confused is one thing. Spreading unsubstantiated Rove-like rumors is another. I respect Democrats more if they didn't wallow in the gutter like their counterparts.

If it soothes your genuine concerns, she was breast feeding.

[cAsE sEnSiTiVe]

Don't worry. Barack would never do you.

After he disposes of the Sinkster, he'll be ready for anyone

[Rover]

You know who this reminds me of? Picking someone who has no business doing an important job like this... that whole thing with Harriet Miers.

Bush wanted someone with no business in the Supreme Court to be nominated just to appease his base, rather than look at the big picture and hire someone who would do the job well.Read a fucking history book. Miers was destroyed by the conservative base and bascially forced the nomination of someone else. So that was like the exact opposite of what you're talking about.

Really? Enough older mothers who catch it with screening choose to abort that it actually shifts the stats that way? That's interesting to me.

As for the story itself, if that's true it certainly takes out a leg of it, but until someone explains why a woman at risk for infection, a month prematurely midlabor decided to give a speech, get on a plane, and then drive to a small town (ignoring hospitals at each stage) before giving birth I will at least be confused.Does this story mean that we can finally discuss Obama's secret Muslim-ness and how he secretly observes Ramadan.

I think I'm going to go to Stax for all my "What a pregnant woman does when in labor?" advice. Stax, who doesn't even know what a woman looks like, versus a mother, who has given birth 4 times before.

[The Batman]

Read a fucking history book. Miers was destroyed by the conservative base and bascially forced the nomination of someone else. So that was like the exact opposite of what you're talking about.

Does this story mean that we can finally discuss Obama's secret Muslim-ness and how he secretly observes Ramadan.

I think I'm going to go to Stax for all my "What a pregnant woman does when in labor?" advice. Stax, who doesn't even know what a woman looks like, versus a mother, who has given birth 4 times before.

Excuse me, but my point had nothing to do about who/what forced Miers out. My point was that someone got nominated that had no business being nominated to get an agenda across, rather than to nominate someone who knew what they were doing. So, that is not the exact opposite of what I am talking about, retard.

[Claydon]

Why does anyone care what she chose to do with regards to her pregnancy with a downs child. Seems downright hypocritical of the left leaning members (hypocrisy of the left, shocking I know) to say anything with regards to the VPILF's choices with regards to reproduction.

[Rover]

Excuse me, but my point had nothing to do about who/what forced Miers out. My point was that someone got nominated that had no business being nominated to get an agenda across, rather than to nominate someone who knew what they were doing. So, that is not the exact opposite of what I am talking about, retard.You equated both the Miers nomination and Palin picks as moves to pacify the base. The conservative base destroyed Bush and fully criticised him for picking her. You don't hear those same complaints with the base with the Palin pick. So unless you can provide some proof other than your mistaken opinion, I think we can agree that you were wrong in categorizing Miers as "...someone with no business in the Supreme Court to be nominated just to appease his base..."

[Hanover Fist]

Considering Harry Reid (The Democrat Senate majority leader) was the one that suggested her to Bush in the first place.

"I had recommended that the President consider nominating Ms. Miers because I was impressed with her record of achievement as the managing partner of a major Texas law firm and the first woman president of the Texas Bar Association. In those roles she was a strong supporter of law firm diversity policies and a leader in promoting legal services for the poor. "Harry Reid (Thursday, October 27, 2005).then came to her defense after her nomination was withdrawn:

"I continue to believe that Harriet Miers received a raw deal. She is an accomplished lawyer, a trailblazer for women and a strong advocate of legal services for the poor. Not only was she denied the up-down vote that my Republican colleagues say every nominee deserves, but she was never even afforded the chance to make her case to the Judiciary Committee."Harry Reid (Tuesday, January 31, 2006).

[Pharon]

Hanover, are you seriously throwing out Reid as evidence that Miers was a legitimate pick? The guy is a fucking moron.

Also, Miers was not nominated to appease the conservative base, but out of loyalty for her years of service to Bush, and to perhaps get some personal influence on the court from a friend. And there's absolutely no question that she was underqualified, as compared to other nominees. Same thing goes for Palin.

[Hanover Fist]

Hanover, are you seriously throwing out Reid as evidence that Miers was a legitimate pick? The guy is a fucking moron.

Also, Miers was not nominated to appease the conservative base, but out of loyalty for her years of service to Bush, and to perhaps get some personal influence on the court from a friend. And there's absolutely no question that she was underqualified, as compared to other nominees. Same thing goes for Palin.


God fuck no, I hated her as a pick. I was putting Reid out there as evidence that her nomination had nothing at all to do with appeasing the conservative base. Alito was a much better replacement and Roberts was even better yet.
I only wish we could have kept Thomas off the Supreme Court, he has no business being there either.

[The Batman]

God fuck no, I hated her as a pick. I was putting Reid out there as evidence that her nomination had nothing at all to do with appeasing the conservative base. Alito was a much better replacement and Roberts was even better yet.
I only wish we could have kept Thomas off the Supreme Court, he has no business being there either.

It is my understanding, watching the news that the reason why both of these women were being chosen for their position had nothing to do with their political/educational history, but more about their morality and base on certain party issues, like abortion. (i know there are more reasons, but that's the big one) I have read numerous interviews with people and they are all pleased with the pick of Palin because of her personal stance on social issues and not because she is a well educated woman who can do the job well. Not one interview has said, because she could do well in a certain situation or because she can handle herself. When you choose someone not because of what they add to the political landscape but rather what they bring because of moral choices, I just think that its a bit idiotic and has nothing to do with the job. The President of the United States is not a position that should be used just to get moral issues through the legislature, but rather a position that should be considerate of all people and think about what is best for the COUNTRY, and not their base. But, I guess that would assume we live in a perfect world.....

[The Batman]

You equated both the Miers nomination and Palin picks as moves to pacify the base. The conservative base destroyed Bush and fully criticised him for picking her. You don't hear those same complaints with the base with the Palin pick. So unless you can provide some proof other than your mistaken opinion, I think we can agree that you were wrong in categorizing Miers as "...someone with no business in the Supreme Court to be nominated just to appease his base..."

They destroyed Miers because she was under qualified and if you can prove to me that Palin is anywhere close to qualified to run the second most powerful position in the world then I will say you are right. But considering this woman has no business being vice president, and all that is talked about are her stances on moral issues and how she can appease the base, i ask you how can this not be a move to appease the base? When Miers was nominated for the position of Supreme Court Justice it was always with an agenda in mind. The agenda is to appease the base. If they wanted someone who could do the job well they would have started out with someone better. Or it apears that way because to everyone else because they aren't putting qualified people into position of power, like with the department of Justice hiring all those fucking bible thumpers from that school that Pat Robertson started. If its not intentional stupidity, then its accidental stupidty.

[The Batman]

Considering Harry Reid (The Democrat Senate majority leader) was the one that suggested her to Bush in the first place.

then came to her defense after her nomination was withdrawn:

Saddly that proves that Harry Reid is an idiot too.

[Hanover Fist]

Actually I think McCain chose her for a number of reasons. The biggest being that she isn't anywhere close to being considered a Washington insider (read "tied to Bush").
She has many of the same traits McCains prides himself on politically, challenging the establishment and being mavericky.
The fact that she is a staunch conservative and a woman was probably just icing on the cake. Not to mention that she had the highest approval rating of any governor in the country.
She definitely excites the base in a way that McCain couldn't do in a million years, and will absolutely get conservatives to the polls in much higher numbers than if McCain had gone with a RINO.
While I haven't decided if I can stomach voting for McCain yet, I'm trying to convince myself that a vote for McCain is a vote for Palin and it makes me feel a little better.

[The Batman]

Actually I think McCain chose her for a number of reasons. The biggest being that she isn't anywhere close to being considered a Washington insider (read "tied to Bush").
She has many of the same traits McCains prides himself on politically, challenging the establishment and being mavericky.
The fact that she is a staunch conservative and a woman was probably just icing on the cake. Not to mention that she had the highest approval rating of any governor in the country.
She definitely excites the base in a way that McCain couldn't do in a million years, and will absolutely get conservatives to the polls in much higher numbers than if McCain had gone with a RINO.
While I haven't decided if I can stomach voting for McCain yet, I'm trying to convince myself that a vote for McCain is a vote for Palin and it makes me feel a little better.


But don't you think its important to have someone in that position that has some idea of what they are doing? I mean thats good that she has many of the same traits politically as he does, but running a town of 20,000 (i live in Houston, thats like less than 10% of the people who live here) hardly qualifies to run a country. If something horrible happens again, we don't need someone who will allow something like Katrina to happen again. Again, I was a big fan of McCain. Smart guy, doesn't let other people push their agends onto him, but I think he would have surrounded himself with better people.

And a high approval rating in Alska is nothing. When you have a population in the entire state that some have in 1 city, well statistics are on your side.

And your right, RINO wouldn't have gotten people to the polls like this lady will. I am just upset that we are allowing people who have no business in certain positions get this far.

[Hanover Fist]

A good executive is a good executive. She has proven by her actions in office that she is tough and willing to take on tasks that would appear to be out of her league and win again and again. She is known as Sarah Barracuda for a reason. She would be the only reason that I would vote for McCain and I don't give a shit about abortion at all.
I think all the people that discount her are going to be shocked the way she handles Biden.
The fact that Obamas numbers have either dropped slightly or stayed the same since his speech and her nomination tells me she is as popular with the conservatives as Barry is with the Libs.

I still for the life of me can't figure out why Obama would nominate a guy like Biden with all his baggage and tendency to fuck up over a guy like Nunn who has pieces of Biden in his foreign policy stool. Was Nunn considered too nice of a guy?

[BIG PIZZLE]

Here's an interesting example of Palin's supposed fight against government spending and waste:

http://dwb.adn.com/news/alaska/matsu/story/9055227p-8971221c.html (http://dwb.adn.com/news/alaska/matsu/story/9055227p-8971221c.html)

Apparently Sarah Palin decided to construct a $1.67 million dollar sports complex in Wasilla (which has a total annual budget of ~$6 million). Unfortunately, she decided to build it on land that wasn't actually owned by the city. Not surprisingly, an eminent domain case sprang up, which has cost the city "upwards of $2 million", and a budget shortfall of $372,000 (http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2008/02/01/local_news/doc47a2c7bcdf210495927316.txt (http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2008/02/01/local_news/doc47a2c7bcdf210495927316.txt)).

In total, Palin took a city with a balanced budget, and led them to a record deficit. Upon becoming Governor, she approved the largest government operating budget in Alaska's history ($6.6 billion), and originally supported the infamous Bridge to Nowhere proposed by Ted Stevens, before lying today and saying she was against it from the beginning (http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/08/29/did-palin-really-fight-the-bridge-to-nowhere.aspx (http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/08/29/did-palin-really-fight-the-bridge-to-nowhere.aspx)). Alaska is also first in pork barrel spending: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-03-22-earmarks_N.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-03-22-earmarks_N.htm).

Ah, the delusion of fiscal responsibility.

[BIG PIZZLE]

Palin trying to pay the rent. She seemed less annoying back then.

Bza63nnqiKA

[freegood]

Does this story mean that we can finally discuss Obama's secret Muslim-ness and how he secretly observes Ramadan.


Is this an indirect admission that rumors of Obama's Muslimness are bold faced lies spread from extreme partisan circles?

If so, it's a step in the right direction.

[Hanover Fist]

Palin trying to pay the rent. She seemed less annoying back then.

Bza63nnqiKA


TIM actually posted that like 6 hours ago, but she's still hot.

[vasili denisov]

I think I'm going to go to Stax for all my "What a pregnant woman does when in labor?" advice. Stax, who doesn't even know what a woman looks like, versus a mother, who has given birth 4 times before.
Just speaking as someone who has occasionally done, you know, "stuff" to women, who's put my man-stuff near their girl-stuff, who recently recorded a blues album called "I'd liked to stuff your girl-stuff, girl", I think Stax's linked story is rather strong - some of the evidence has alternative explanations, but the strongest point is her taking a plane ride from Texas to Alaska after her water breaks. Now, I'm no master of female biology as you are, but only the most indifferent and negligent mother would do such a thing and she strikes me as neither.
Why does anyone care what she chose to do with regards to her pregnancy with a downs child. Seems downright hypocritical of the left leaning members (hypocrisy of the left, shocking I know) to say anything with regards to the VPILF's choices with regards to reproduction.
Arguably, this is a selfless act by her to protect her daughter. But this is a thousand kilotons of TNT in terms of bad media. It makes women think they still live in a medieval age where you have to engage in these machinations when dealing with pregnancy. My reaction to the scaling back of the convention's first days was that wasn't entirely because of Gustave but also to decide whether to keep her on the ticket and if they do, how to deal with this.

[freegood]

Palin on Obama (http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2008/09/08/080908ta_talk_gourevitch)

by Philip Gourevitch (http://www.newyorker.com/search/query?query=authorName:%22Philip%20Gourevitch%22) September 8, 2008

Before she was running against him, Sarah Palin—the governor of Alaska and now the Republican candidate for Vice-President of the United States—thought it was pretty neat that Barack Obama was edging ahead of John McCain in her usually solidly red state. After all, she said, Obama’s campaign was using the same sort of language that she had in her gubernatorial race. “The theme of our campaign was ‘new energy,’ ” she said recently. “It was no more status quo, no more politics as usual, it was all about change. So then to see that Obama—literally, part of his campaign uses those themes, even, new energy, change, all that, I think, O.K., well, we were a little bit ahead on that.” She also noted, “Something’s kind of changing here in Alaska, too, for being such a red state on the Presidential level. Obama’s doing just fine in polls up here, which is kind of wigging people out, because they’re saying, ‘This hasn’t happened for decades that in polls the D’ ”—the Democratic candidate—“ ‘is doing just fine.’ To me, that’s indicative, too. It’s the no-more-status-quo, it’s change.”

This was two weeks ago, at the statehouse in Juneau. After persistent reports, in July, that Palin was on McCain’s short list of potential running mates, her name had faded back into obscurity. Nobody in Alaska seemed to take her seriously as a national prospect, and she had shrugged the whole thing off on television, telling CNBC’s Larry Kudlow that, before considering the job, she would want to know “what is it, exactly, that the V.P. does every day.” Now, at the statehouse, she sat, unattended by aides, curled up in a cardigan, and explained that what she had done every day since becoming governor was to stick her thumb in the eye of Alaska’s Republican Party establishment. “The G.O.P. leader of the state—we haven’t spoken since I got elected,” she said.

She went on, “I guess if you take the individual issues, two that I believe would be benchmarks showing whether you’re a hard-core Republican conservative or not, would be: I’m a lifetime member of the N.R.A.—but this is Alaska, who isn’t?—and I am pro-life, absolutely.” She continued, “I guess that puts me in a box of being hard-core Republican.” But she said she recognized that “the Democrats also preach individual freedoms and individual rights, capitalism, free market, let-it-do-its-thing-best, let people keep as much of their money that they earn as possible. And when it comes to, like, the Party machine, no one will accuse me of being partisan.”

So the possibility that Obama might win Alaska did not worry Palin: “Turning maybe purple in the state means, to me, it’s more independent, it’s not the obsessive partisanship that gets in the way of doing what’s right for this state, and I think on a national level that’s what we’re gonna see.” And she added, “That’s why McCain is the candidate for the G.O.P.—because he’s been known as the maverick, as the conduit for some change.” In the state’s Republican caucus, McCain came in fourth, trailing Ron Paul. “I always looked at Senator McCain just as a Joe Blow public member, looking from the outside in,” she said. “He’s been buttin’ heads with Republicans for years, and that’s a healthy place to be.” Then again, on McCain’s signature issue—the prosecution of the war in Iraq—she did not sound so gung-ho. Her son is a soldier, and she said, “I’m a mom, and my son is going to get deployed in September, and we better have a real clear plan for this war. And it better not have to do with oil and dependence on foreign energy.”

[Stax]

Why does anyone care what she chose to do with regards to her pregnancy with a downs child. Seems downright hypocritical of the left leaning members (hypocrisy of the left, shocking I know) to say anything with regards to the VPILF's choices with regards to reproduction.

Just go away Claydon. If it turned out the exact same scenario happened to a Democrat you'd have it practically in your sig you'd mention it so often. And again, I DON'T CARE, but if you don't think such a story breaking would influence voters you are being purposefully stupid.

[Claydon]

Palin on Obama (http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2008/09/08/080908ta_talk_gourevitch)

by Philip Gourevitch (http://www.newyorker.com/search/query?query=authorName:%22Philip%20Gourevitch%22) September 8, 2008

Before she was running against him, Sarah Palin—the governor of Alaska and now the Republican candidate for Vice-President of the United States—thought it was pretty neat that Barack Obama was edging ahead of John McCain in her usually solidly red state. After all, she said, Obama’s campaign was using the same sort of language that she had in her gubernatorial race. “The theme of our campaign was ‘new energy,’ ” she said recently. “It was no more status quo, no more politics as usual, it was all about change. So then to see that Obama—literally, part of his campaign uses those themes, even, new energy, change, all that, I think, O.K., well, we were a little bit ahead on that.” She also noted, “Something’s kind of changing here in Alaska, too, for being such a red state on the Presidential level. Obama’s doing just fine in polls up here, which is kind of wigging people out, because they’re saying, ‘This hasn’t happened for decades that in polls the D’ ”—the Democratic candidate—“ ‘is doing just fine.’ To me, that’s indicative, too. It’s the no-more-status-quo, it’s change.”

This was two weeks ago, at the statehouse in Juneau. After persistent reports, in July, that Palin was on McCain’s short list of potential running mates, her name had faded back into obscurity. Nobody in Alaska seemed to take her seriously as a national prospect, and she had shrugged the whole thing off on television, telling CNBC’s Larry Kudlow that, before considering the job, she would want to know “what is it, exactly, that the V.P. does every day.” Now, at the statehouse, she sat, unattended by aides, curled up in a cardigan, and explained that what she had done every day since becoming governor was to stick her thumb in the eye of Alaska’s Republican Party establishment. “The G.O.P. leader of the state—we haven’t spoken since I got elected,” she said.

She went on, “I guess if you take the individual issues, two that I believe would be benchmarks showing whether you’re a hard-core Republican conservative or not, would be: I’m a lifetime member of the N.R.A.—but this is Alaska, who isn’t?—and I am pro-life, absolutely.” She continued, “I guess that puts me in a box of being hard-core Republican.” But she said she recognized that “the Democrats also preach individual freedoms and individual rights, capitalism, free market, let-it-do-its-thing-best, let people keep as much of their money that they earn as possible. And when it comes to, like, the Party machine, no one will accuse me of being partisan.”

So the possibility that Obama might win Alaska did not worry Palin: “Turning maybe purple in the state means, to me, it’s more independent, it’s not the obsessive partisanship that gets in the way of doing what’s right for this state, and I think on a national level that’s what we’re gonna see.” And she added, “That’s why McCain is the candidate for the G.O.P.—because he’s been known as the maverick, as the conduit for some change.” In the state’s Republican caucus, McCain came in fourth, trailing Ron Paul. “I always looked at Senator McCain just as a Joe Blow public member, looking from the outside in,” she said. “He’s been buttin’ heads with Republicans for years, and that’s a healthy place to be.” Then again, on McCain’s signature issue—the prosecution of the war in Iraq—she did not sound so gung-ho. Her son is a soldier, and she said, “I’m a mom, and my son is going to get deployed in September, and we better have a real clear plan for this war. And it better not have to do with oil and dependence on foreign energy.”

Freegood do you have a point? Joe Biden said McCain was a superior choice to Obama during the primaries.

[vasili denisov]

So, this picture (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30076181@N02/2814199887/in/photostream/) should end the story about Palin carrying her daughter's kid. I think Palin is a very lousy pick, vetted very inadequately, but I hope that this is the end of it, because this would have been humiliating for her and her daughter. My reaction, though, is still astonishment. How could people not know she was pregnant a month before that pic (this article (http://www.adn.com/front/story/336402.html))? How could someone from the airline say,

“Governor Palin was extremely pleasant to flight attendants and her stage of pregnancy was not apparent by observation as she didn’t show any signs of distress,” Boren said.This article. (http://newsminer.com/news/2008/apr/22/palins-flight-labor-falls-under-scrutiny/)

How could someone not notice she was very pregnant on the airplane, a month after that photo? Mainly, why the hell would you take a long flight right after your water broke? What made me think there was something to this story is my complete bafflement over that last question.

[Mustard]

Well... there is work ethic, and then there is work ethic...

Its the difference between getting caught fucking a corpse and running away, or getting caught fucking a corpse and finishing the job.

Sarah Palin

http://i37.tinypic.com/256clk7.jpg
/agree

[kid_vidrio]

"To any critics who say a woman can't think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I'd just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave," Palin said.
Obviously it's possible to have kids and be an executive.
And I've seen 'Corey in the House' so I know it would be a great atmosphere in DC and all, but even under the auspices of her husband being a Mr. Mom and the fact that her eldest has flown the coup already, as a single parent I take issue with the notion that you can work and effectively raise a baby at the same time. Carry it? Yes. Have it and take a few weeks, no problem. But the time it takes to raise a kid right can't be penciled in by an assistant. You just have to be available.
That's part of the reason I'm not running for Prez until my kid leaves home.

[Deadhead Derek]

a story and a timeline as to how this isn't her baby, that her teen daughter had it whilst out of school for mono, and how palin was in texas when delivery began prematurely, but flew 22 hours before going to a doctor. I dont know what is real, but what a wacky thing to even have associated with presidential campaign.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332

[TheImpossibleMan]

"To any critics who say a woman can't think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I'd just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave," Palin said.

That's a pretty feminist thing for a Republican to say, if she comes out and says 'I'm a feminist' that will be a way to try and grab Hillary voters.

[Hanover Fist]

a story and a timeline as to how this isn't her baby, that her teen daughter had it whilst out of school for mono, and how palin was in texas when delivery began prematurely, but flew 22 hours before going to a doctor. I dont know what is real, but what a wacky thing to even have associated with presidential campaign.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332

Yeah she didn't appear to be pregnant at all.....
http://i33.tinypic.com/hsj3nr.jpg

Can we drop this whole "it isn't her baby" bullshit now before you look like an even bigger kool aid drinking idiot?

[Deadhead Derek]

empathy suit.

[Deadhead Derek]

and besides, I said I don't know what is real, just that the vetting process of the gop is broken. That this is associated with the presumptive nominee is an embarassment to McCain, who I used to admire. That's my point.

[Hanover Fist]

and besides, I said I don't know what is real, just that the vetting process of the gop is broken. That this is associated with the presumptive nominee is an embarassment to McCain, who I used to admire. That's my point.


Actually this is more of an embarrassment to the people who are pushing it and to the Democrat party. I have no problem with with this story because it is fake and the people propagating just look pathetic.

The funny thing is that the douchebags at the Democrat Underground now know the story is fake yet the Kos kids are still pushing it despite the evidence.

[freegood]

Yeah, surprising how McCain could pick her reportedly after one 2 hour session or something brief like that.

Makes good drama...

[freegood]

Actually this is more of an embarrassment to the people who are pushing it and to the Democrat party. I have no problem with with this story because it is fake and the people propagating just look pathetic.


It's just the way politics work.

Do you consider the Obama Madrassa rumors equally pathetic? The whispers are still floating around even though it's proven as false and it's questionable origins exposed.

[Hanover Fist]

It's just the way politics work.

Do you consider the Obama Madrassa rumors equally pathetic? The whispers are still floating around even though it's proven as false and it's questionable origins exposed.

I know Obama isn't a Muslim, even if he was that would be probably reason number 30 why I wouldn't vote for him.
I visit a lot of conservative sites, and I haven't seen a peep about him being a muslim on any of them in probably 8 months.

[Hanover Fist]

Actually the news that just broke is that they announced her daughter is pregnant right now.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080901/pl_nm/usa_politics_palin_dc

To rebut rumors, Palin says daughter, 17, pregnant

By Steve Holland 15 minutes ago

ST. PAUL (Reuters) - The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said on Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.
T http://us.bc.yahoo.com/b?P=ZrR3bEwNc1hSKndmSAAj3gbwYtG.MEi8FfkAB3AU&T=1bnrv5grn%2fX%3d1220285945%2fE%3d7666459%2fR%3dn ews%2fK%3d5%2fV%3d2.1%2fW%3dH%2fY%3dYAHOO%2fF%3d93 6778501%2fH%3dY2FjaGVoaW50PSJuZXdzIiBjb250ZW50PSJS ZXB1YmxpY2FuO3ByZWduYW5jeTtjaGlsZDtjaGlsZHJlbjttYW 47aXQ7ZW5lcmd5O2VsZWN0aW9uO0RlbW9jcmF0O0RlbW9jcmF0 aWM7cmVmdXJsX3d3d195YWhvb19jb20iIHJlZnVybD0icmVmdX JsX3d3d195YWhvb19jb20iIHRvcGljcz0icmVmdXJsX3d3d195 YWhvb19jb20i%2fQ%3d-1%2fS%3d1%2fJ%3d17730D4C&U=13f0agj7i%2fN%3dTM9GCEwNBmY-%2fC%3d571921.12951048.13176687.1442997%2fD%3dLREC %2fB%3d5295913%2fV%3d1
Bristol Palin, one of Alaska Gov. Palin's five children with her husband, Todd, is about five months pregnant and is going to keep the child and marry the father, the Palins said in a statement released by the campaign of Republican presidential candidate John McCain.
Bristol Palin made the decision on her own to keep the baby, McCain aides said.
"We have been blessed with five wonderful children who we love with all our heart and mean everything to us," the Palins' statement said.
"Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support," the Palins said.
The Palins asked the news media to respect the young couple's privacy.
"Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family. We ask the media, respect our daughter and Levi's privacy as has always been the tradition of children of candidates," the statement concluded.
MCCAIN KNEW
Senior McCain campaign officials said McCain knew of the daughter's pregnancy when he selected Palin last week as his vice presidential running mate, deciding that it did not disqualify the 44-year-old governor in any way.
In the short period since she was announced last Friday, Palin has helped to energize the Republican Party's conservative base, giving the McCain camp fresh energy going into the campaign for the November 4 election against Democrat Barack Obama.
McCain officials said the news of the daughter's pregnancy was being released to rebut what one aide called "mud-slinging and lies" circulating on liberal blog sites.
According to these rumors, Sarah Palin had faked a pregnancy and pretended to have given birth in May to her fifth child, a son named Trig who has Down syndrome. The rumor was that Trig was actually Bristol Palin's child and that Sarah Palin was the grandmother.
A senior McCain campaign official said the McCain camp was appalled that these rumors had not only been spread around liberal blog sites and partisan Democrats, but also were the subject of heightened interest from mainstream news media.
"The despicable rumors that have been spread by liberal blogs, some even with Barack Obama's name in them, is a real anchor around the Democratic ticket, pulling them down in the mud in a way that certainly juxtaposes themselves against their 'campaign of change,"' a senior aide said.

[Le Goat]

A hot 17 year old chick is pregnant. Who gives a fuck? I'd still fuck her mom so that's all that really matters

[Pharon]

Jesus Christ, you couldn't make this shit up.

[Hanover Fist]

Besides drinking, fucking and collecting oil money checks, what else is there to do in Alaska anyway?

[Le Goat]

Besides drinking, fucking and collecting oil money checks, what else is there to do in Alaska anyway?


Fuck a sled of dogs

[Desperado]

Actually the news that just broke is that they announced her daughter is pregnant right now.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080901/pl_nm/usa_politics_palin_dc



So will this come off as bad parenting?

[Hanover Fist]

So will this come off as bad parenting?

Well she was above the age of consent and is marrying the dude that knocked her up, so I'm going to say no. But, I'm sure there will be those that will have a differing opinion.

[Le Goat]

So will this come off as bad parenting?


No. A young girl getting pregnant is not always the parents fault. She cant follow the girl around and swat at any dicks that might happen to fall into her. Also, I've known quite a few parents that had their kid at said age and are still together and the kids arent sexual freaks. It's possible.

[freegood]

A hot 17 year old chick is pregnant. Who gives a fuck? I'd still fuck her mom so that's all that really matters

Who gives a fuck... incestuous lesbian threesome maybe?

[Le Goat]

yup

[kid_vidrio]

No. A young girl getting pregnant is not always the parents fault. She cant follow the girl around and swat at any dicks that might happen to fall into her. Also, I've known quite a few parents that had their kid at said age and are still together and the kids arent sexual freaks. It's possible.
It's not bad parenting, it's the kind of parenting you get when you figure God will handle it all for you. Hence keeping the kid at 44, an age when you should know better. But hey, she can have an aide and her husband raise it so she can be part of the team that builds a better future for all of us!
It's the kind of parenting that leads to yet another kid raised by someone too young to know how to do it, thereby encumbering whomsoever needs to be encumbered down the road. It's the kind of parenting that will keep Bristol from college, and rope her fiancee into bullshit jobs to support the family he's getting shotgunned into.
Generally speaking, if you are marginally educated with an eye on the future of humanity, you don't raise your kid to get pregnant at 17. But it's just what you can apparenly expect from Sarah 'barracuda' Palin, champion of all that is right and good.

[kareyn01]

Actually this is more of an embarrassment to the people who are pushing it and to the Democrat party. I have no problem with with this story because it is fake and the people propagating just look pathetic.

The funny thing is that the douchebags at the Democrat Underground now know the story is fake yet the Kos kids are still pushing it despite the evidence.

Its definitely an embarrassment to the people pushing it, but how is it embarrassing to the Democratic Party? It wasn't even published by Daily Kos, it was an online diary from one of their members (something that anyone can do). I think that 10% of the Republican Party believing Obama is a Muslim is more of an embarrassment to their party than 0.1% of Democrats believing this stupid shit, especially when you consider that Fox News and the National Review were doing their best to insinuate and propagate any Obama rumors that they could.

Either way, its a non-story, and it simply distracts from the actual issues with her nomination, which are many (although I don't expect you, Rover, or Claydon to acknowledge any of them, because she's an arch-conservative).

[Le Goat]

It's not bad parenting, it's the kind of parenting you get when you figure God will handle it all for you. Hence keeping the kid at 44, an age when you should know better. But hey, she can have an aide and her husband raise it so she can be part of the team that builds a better future for all of us!
It's the kind of parenting that leads to yet another kid raised by someone too young to know how to do it, thereby encumbering whomsoever needs to be encumbered down the road. It's the kind of parenting that will keep Bristol from college, and rope her fiancee into bullshit jobs to support the family he's getting shotgunned into.
Generally speaking, if you are marginally educated with an eye on the future of humanity, you don't raise your kid to get pregnant at 17. But it's just what you can apparenly expect from Sarah 'barracuda' Palin, champion of all that is right and good.

That's gotta be one of the most idiotic statements I've read on here...yes, far worse than anything I spit out in jest. To blame the mother for something her grown kid (yes, 17 is immature, but still legal and technically an adult) did is absolutely absurd..and on top of that, you throwing out education in all of this just tops of the stupidity.


Well done tater 2.0 ...well done indeed.

[Genius]

Did they do ANY background checks on this broad? Tomorrow, she'll have been a drug mule in high school, next week she'll be sending funds to al-Qaeda, and next month she'll be pregnant with bin Ladin's love child. Jesus.

[Le Goat]

Did they do ANY background checks on this broad? Tomorrow, she'll have been a drug mule in high school, next week she'll be sending funds to al-Qaeda, and next month she'll be pregnant with bin Ladin's love child. Jesus.


You didn't read the fucking report did you?

[Genius]

That's gotta be one of the most idiotic statements I've read on here...yes, far worse than anything I spit out in jest. To blame the mother for something her grown kid (yes, 17 is immature, but still legal and technically an adult) did is absolutely absurd..and on top of that, you throwing out education in all of this just tops of the stupidity.


Well done tater 2.0 ...well done indeed.
So when it happens to black people you're free to blame black culture and lifestyle in general, but when it's a relatively well-off white family, the blame falls squarely on the 17-year-old?

[Genius]

You didn't read the fucking report did you?
I don't believe that she didn't have a kid, or that she's covering for her daughter, or anything like that. But she's the VP choice of the GOP and her teenage daughter is pregnant. WTF?

[Le Goat]

So when it happens to black people you're free to blame black culture and lifestyle in general, but when it's a relatively well-off white family, the blame falls squarely on the 17-year-old?


You do realize who you're talking to, right?

[Le Goat]

I don't believe that she didn't have a kid, or that she's covering for her daughter, or anything like that. But she's the VP choice of the GOP and her teenage daughter is pregnant. WTF?


I'm not saying it's not odd, but Cheney's daughter is a ghey... srsly, it's not that bad.

[Genius]

You do realize who you're talking to, right?
Yes. I just like to occasionally point out your hypocrisy, just for kicks. I show it to my friends and we all have a good, healthy liberal chuckle. Then we groom pandas and gaze at rainbows.

[Claydon]

Yes. I just like to occasionally point out your hypocrisy, just for kicks. I show it to my friends and we all have a good, healthy liberal chuckle. Then we groom pandas and have hot gay ass sex with each other like good democrats.

[dadaelus]

I just wonder if she ever took a public stand on abstinence only sex ed...

[Genius]

Actually this is more of an embarrassment to the people who are pushing it and to the Democrat party. I have no problem with with this story because it is fake and the people propagating just look pathetic.

The funny thing is that the douchebags at the Democrat Underground now know the story is fake yet the Kos kids are still pushing it despite the evidence.
Actually, after being swift-boated in the last election, without so much as an acknowledgment from the Bush campaign of the bullshit that those fucks were spewing out, I like this turn of events. If the GOP doesn't have to put a stop to people perpetuating false stories about their opponents, the Democrats don't either.

[Claydon]

I just wonder if she ever took a public stand on abstinence only sex ed...

I actually looked into that, because that is one aspect of my party that really annoys the hell out of me. So far I have not found anything about her being pro or con.

[dadaelus]

I'm just waiting to see a comment from the Focus on the Family and Eagle Forum groups. I know how they feel when 'liberal' family teenagers get pregnant.

[TheImpossibleMan]

I actually looked into that, because that is one aspect of my party that really annoys the hell out of me. So far I have not found anything about her being pro or con.
The bitch is for creationism being taught in schools, I'm sure she favors abstinence-only sex ed.

[Le Goat]

Yes. I just like to occasionally point out your hypocrisy, just for kicks. I show it to my friends and we all have a good, healthy liberal chuckle. Then we groom pandas and gaze at rainbows.

So you're saying she should have aborted the kid? Should have never had sex until marriage? Should give up the kid for adoption? I'm failing to see how this hurts the GOP when teen pregnancy is at an awesome decent rate and there are plenty of 20-40 yo mothers out there that have had kids at that age. Yes, especially bible thumping preacher's daughters.


Also, to assume black are anything but savage sex crazed beasts is out of line and needs to be taken out of here

[Hanover Fist]

The bitch is for creationism being taught in schools, I'm sure she favors abstinence-only sex ed.


Hmmm, she's a bitch now?

Maybe you should examine the entire statement she made regarding creationism. While I certainly don't support creationism in any way whatsoever, I see absolutely nothing wrong with her statement.

"Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information....Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. And you know, I say this too as the daughter of a science teacher. Growing up with being so privileged and blessed to be given a lot of information on, on both sides of the subject -- creationism and evolution. It's been a healthy foundation for me. But don't be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides."

[TheImpossibleMan]

If you favor creationism in schools? You're a bitch.

I read that exact same quote yesterday (I know about Wikipedia, too, Hanover) and said "What a cunt." Her proposal sounds reasonable - right up until the moment you remember that there aren't two equal and opposite sides. This is not a case in which there are two legitimate answers. There is absolutely zero evidence to back up creationism and it's embarassing to have someone who could be in the white house suggesting that a joke of a hypothesis be given equal time next to a theory supported by mountains of evidence.

[kareyn01]

Hmmm, she's a bitch now?

Maybe you should examine the entire statement she made regarding creationism. While I certainly don't support creationism in any way whatsoever, I see absolutely nothing wrong with her statement.

Just my opinion, but I don't think there's any room in a science classroom for "healthy debate" between a scientifically accepted theory, and a bogus, purely religious "theory" that's been refuted by every piece of scientific evidence ever collected.

Do we really need to bring back the Flying Spaghetti Monster? http://www.flyingspaghettimonster.com/

[Hanover Fist]

If you favor creationism in schools? You're a bitch.

I read that exact same quote yesterday (I know about Wikipedia, too, Hanover) and said "What a cunt." Her proposal sounds reasonable - right up until the moment you remember that there aren't two equal and opposite sides. This is not a case in which there are two legitimate answers. There is absolutely zero evidence to back up creationism and it's embarassing to have someone who could be in the white house suggesting that a joke of a hypothesis be given equal time next to a theory supported by mountains of evidence.


Actually I didn't wiki it, I went right to the source article.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles_of_faith/2008/08/sarah_palin_on.html

[TheImpossibleMan]

Actually I didn't wiki it, I went right to the source article.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles_of_faith/2008/08/sarah_palin_on.html
So you agree she's a bitch for trying to teach religion in science classrooms. Okay, that's all I was going for.

[Hanover Fist]

So you agree she's a bitch for trying to teach religion in science classrooms. Okay, that's all I was going for.


Not at all. She believes in having both opinions in class and letting them debate and discuss it. I have no problem with that.
It sure seems that the dems are afraid of her the way they are attacking her with nonsensical stuff. It makes me think more and more that her being picked for VP was a brilliant move by McCain.

[dadaelus]

I don't mind creationism so long as it is Hindu:

From the depths a humming sound began to tremble, Om. It grew and spread, filling the emptiness and throbbing with energy. The night had ended. Vishnu awoke. As the dawn began to break, from Vishnu's navel grew a magnificent lotus flower. In the middle of the blossom sat Vishnu's servant, Brahma. He awaited the Lord's command.
Vishnu spoke to his servant: 'It is time to begin.' Brahma bowed. Vishnu commanded: 'Create the world.'

Sounds like intelligent design to me.

[Le Goat]

So you agree she's a bitch for trying to teach religion in science classrooms. Okay, that's all I was going for.

I think we are all in agreement the only bitch here is you and your incessant holier than thou attitude toward your fellow women. You should be very happy a woman is at a place she's at, now you have someone to look up too.


Srsly, shut your god damn dick-gobbling mouth.

[TheImpossibleMan]

Not at all. She believes in having both opinions in class and letting them debate and discuss it. I have no problem with that.Science is not religion, and religion should not be taught in science classrooms. Aren't you a little humiliated by the fact that you think it's okay to teach the idea that the earth was whisked into existance six thousand years ago, in the span of seven days (and let's get real, the only creationism that would be taught is Chrisitian Creationism) next to the theory of evolution? That isn't just a teensy bit embarassing?
It sure seems that the dems are afraid of her the way they are attacking her with nonsensical stuff. It makes me think more and more that her being picked for VP was a brilliant move by McCain.
She's a "sexy" candidate, much in the same way Obama is a "sexy" candidate. It's unquestionable that she's a short-term gain, but it remains to be seen how it plays out over the next few months.

[The GWD]

TiM thinks Obama's sexy.

[Hanover Fist]

Science is not religion, and religion should not be taught in science classrooms. Aren't you a little humiliated by the fact that you think it's okay to teach the idea that the earth was whisked into existance six thousand years ago, in the span of seven days (and let's get real, the only creationism that would be taught is Chrisitian Creationism) next to the theory of evolution? That isn't just a teensy bit embarassing?



I don't see anything embarrassing at all about putting evolution and creationism out there and letting it be debated and letting the students decide which they feel is better. The embarrassing thing would be to restrict discussion.
I definitely feel that evolution would win in a debate, but I see no harm in putting out both points of view.

[Rover]

Jesus Christ, you couldn't make this shit up.Yeah, a 17 yr old becoming pregnant is bizarre. It's like the Twilight Zone.

It's the kind of parenting that leads to yet another kid raised by someone too young to know how to do it, thereby encumbering whomsoever needs to be encumbered down the road. It's the kind of parenting that will keep Bristol from college, and rope her fiancee into bullshit jobs to support the family he's getting shotgunned into.
Generally speaking, if you are marginally educated with an eye on the future of humanity, you don't raise your kid to get pregnant at 17. But it's just what you can apparenly expect from Sarah 'barracuda' Palin, champion of all that is right and good.Ah, the old, everyone who doesn't go to college is a loser argument. How elitist. In highschool, I went to school with some girls, who didn't want to go to school, but wanted to get married and raise a family. They've since done so, quite successfully, and they are far closer to living their life goals than I am.

I don't believe that she didn't have a kid, or that she's covering for her daughter, or anything like that. But she's the VP choice of the GOP and her teenage daughter is pregnant. WTF?McCain knew and didn't care. What the fuck difference does it make if her daughter is pregnant?

Actually, after being swift-boated in the last election, without so much as an acknowledgment from the Bush campaign of the bullshit that those fucks were spewing out, I like this turn of events. If the GOP doesn't have to put a stop to people perpetuating false stories about their opponents, the Democrats don't either.Attacking the candidate is much different than attacking the candidates children. The children aren't running for anything.
I'm just waiting to see a comment from the Focus on the Family and Eagle Forum groups. I know how they feel when 'liberal' family teenagers get pregnant.Because you know they feel compassion.

Just my opinion, but I don't think there's any room in a science classroom for "healthy debate" between a scientifically accepted theory, and a bogus, purely religious "theory" that's been refuted by every piece of scientific evidence ever collected.

Do we really need to bring back the Flying Spaghetti Monster? http://www.flyingspaghettimonster.com/ I, too, think we should have the government outlaw ideas that are taught in school. I'd start with removing Keynes from every Econ class.

[TheImpossibleMan]

I don't see anything embarrassing at all about putting evolution and creationism out there and letting it be debated and letting the students decide which they feel is better. The embarrassing thing would be to restrict discussion.
I definitely feel that evolution would win in a debate, but I see no harm in putting out both points of view.
As distasteful as I find religion, I see nothing wrong with creationism being taught...in religious classrooms. A science teacher should not have to explain to a class that some people think the earth is 6000 years old and that everything was made in seven days.

[TheImpossibleMan]

I, too, think we should have the government outlaw ideas that are taught in school. I'd start with removing Keynes from every Econ class.
So you don't think public schools should maintain factual standards when it comes to the cirriculum? Okay.

[Claydon]

The bitch is for creationism being taught in schools, I'm sure she favors abstinence-only sex ed.

Another aspect of my party that annoys the shit out of me.

[Claydon]

Not at all. She believes in having both opinions in class and letting them debate and discuss it. I have no problem with that.
It sure seems that the dems are afraid of her the way they are attacking her with nonsensical stuff. It makes me think more and more that her being picked for VP was a brilliant move by McCain.

I have no problem with creation stories being taught..... notice i said stories, like what about the japanese creation story, or the creation story of say the yanamamo, but creationists are just trying to inject the christian story. So if they want to teach that one, then they should teach others as well.

[dadaelus]

I don't see anything embarrassing at all about putting evolution and creationism out there and letting it be debated and letting the students decide which they feel is better. The embarrassing thing would be to restrict discussion.
I definitely feel that evolution would win in a debate, but I see no harm in putting out both points of view.

Not at all. She believes in having both opinions in class and letting them debate and discuss it. I have no problem with that.
It sure seems that the dems are afraid of her the way they are attacking her with nonsensical stuff. It makes me think more and more that her being picked for VP was a brilliant move by McCain.

I have a problem with it. Religious creationism and evolution are not opinions. One is a scientific theory laid out in such a way as to invite rigorous testing and attack. Any testing or attack on the other and you are a heretic.

Utah has an integrated seminary program for the high schools. No other faith has this representation in the state. You can call this bias or just a recognition of the dominant culture. The end result is that you have instances where religious education clashes with secular education.

One of the things that I hoped to see with McCain's run this year would be see his campaign diminish the social conservative issues and to see a renewed focus on the fiscal and governance issues. His pick of Palin pretty much laid that to rest.

[Hanover Fist]

One of the things that I hoped to see with McCain's run this year would be see his campaign diminish the social conservative issues and to see a renewed focus on the fiscal and governance issues. His pick of Palin pretty much laid that to rest.


I see no reason why they can't be social conservatives as well as focus on fiscal issues, the two are by no means mutually exclusive. I am pleased that he picked a social conservative instead of a wishy washy RINO. I would have been extremely disappointed if he had picked Ridge or Lieberman.

[Claydon]

No way was liberman even close, liberman has the stink of 2 losses on his hands. I know they are close political allies and friends but seriously....lieberman?

[vasili denisov]

Actually the news that just broke is that they announced her daughter is pregnant right now.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080901/pl_nm/usa_politics_palin_dc

To rebut rumors, Palin says daughter, 17, pregnant
My instinct is that this is a panicky cover story. Nothing about that plane ride from Texas to Alaska makes sense, or that people don't notice that she's pregnant within a month of delivery. That's an instinct, and that's that. I don't think McCain was up on this, either version. If they didn't know about her talk about an exit strategy from Iraq made a month ago, or being initially for the bridge to nowhere, I doubt they were up on the darker corners of someone's life.

[dadaelus]

I see no reason why they can't be social conservatives as well as focus on fiscal issues, the two are by no means mutually exclusive. I am pleased that he picked a social conservative instead of a wishy washy RINO. I would have been extremely disappointed if he had picked Ridge or Lieberman.

I agree with you on Lieberman and Ridge. While fiscal and social conservatism are not mutually exclusive there is still the sense of which holds dominance in the party. I would have been more comfortable with Romney than Palin.

[dadaelus]

I guess the other issue I have with the pick is the fact that McCain is 72. While he seems crusty enough to gut out 8 years but I have to look at the possibility that he won't. The thought of her at the helm does not steady the nerves.

[Rover]

So you don't think public schools should maintain factual standards when it comes to the cirriculum? Okay.Factual as determined by you? By me? By the school board? By the government? Wasn't that Winston Smith's job? Rewriting history to be factual as determined by the government. Yes, let's put the government in charge of determining fact. I'm sure that will turn out, swell.

I see no problem with integrating philosophy with science. Maybe the kids could spend the entire day discussing why people still believe in certain things despite evidence to the contrary. And why they've continued to believe this for 2000 years. Hopefully, this discussion would go beyond the typical atheist's response of: They're stupid.

[kareyn01]

Just saw something funny in Sarah Palin's gubernatorial questionnaire. One of the questions was "Are you offended by the phrase under God in the Pledge of Allegiance?". Her response: "Not on your life. If it was good enough for the Founding Fathers, its good enough for me, and I'll fight in defense of the Pledge of Allegiance".

That's all fine and good, except for the fact that the Pledge of Allegiance wasn't written until 1906, and wasn't made the national Pledge until 1942. Oops.

So, she thinks the Pledge of Allegiance has been around since the 18th century, doesn't know what the Vice President does on a daily basis, and hasn't followed the Iraq war because she's been "too busy". And she wants creationism in schools. Nice pick, John.

Edit: Here's a link to the responses given on the questionnaire. In it, Palin also states that she opposes anything other than abstinence-only sex-ed. http://eagleforumalaska.blogspot.com/2006/07/2006-gubernatorial-candidate.html (you can find the answers on a non-blog site if you want, but they're laid out much better on this site).

[kareyn01]

Factual as determined by you? By me? By the school board? By the government? Wasn't that Winston Smith's job? Rewriting history to be factual as determined by the government. Yes, let's put the government in charge of determining fact. I'm sure that will turn out, swell.

I see no problem with integrating philosophy with science. Maybe the kids could spend the entire day discussing why people still believe in certain things despite evidence to the contrary. And why they've continued to believe this for 2000 years. Hopefully, this discussion would go beyond the typical atheist's response of: They're stupid.

Creationism has no business being taught in a science classroom, end of story. Its been refuted by scientific evidence. Following your logic, we should also give equal time to the theory that the sun revolves around the earth, since that was a commonly-held belief for centuries. For that matter, so was the belief that the earth was flat.

I have no problem with a philosophical discussion of religion and creation stories, as long as they're done in a philosophy class. American students are already far enough behind students around the world in science education without wasting time promoting Christian myth (and that's all it would be, Christian creation theory) as an equal alternative to evolution.

[Rover]

Just saw something funny in Sarah Palin's gubernatorial questionnaire. One of the questions was "Are you offended by the phrase under God in the Pledge of Allegiance?". Her response: "Not on your life. If it was good enough for the Founding Fathers, its good enough for me, and I'll fight in defense of the Pledge of Allegiance".

That's all fine and good, except for the fact that the Pledge of Allegiance wasn't written until 1906, and wasn't made the national Pledge until 1942. Oops.

So, she thinks the Pledge of Allegiance has been around since the 18th century, doesn't know what the Vice President does on a daily basis, and hasn't followed the Iraq war because she's been "too busy". And she wants creationism in schools. Nice pick, John.What does the VP do on a daily basis? Not every VP is secretly running the government from an undisclosed location, and taking the time to personally torture Gitmo detainees.

Creationism has no business being taught in a science classroom, end of story. Its been refuted by scientific evidence. Following your logic, we should also give equal time to the theory that the sun revolves around the earth, since that was a commonly-held belief for centuries. For that matter, so was the belief that the earth was flat.

I have no problem with a philosophical discussion of religion and creation stories, as long as they're done in a philosophy class. American students are already far enough behind students around the world in science education without wasting time promoting Christian myth (and that's all it would be, Christian creation theory) as an equal alternative to evolution.I was taught about geocentric theory and flat earth theory in science class. It was used as a way to describe the evolving science that eventually resulted in heliocentric theory and the discovery of a round earth.

I never said that these theories should be given equal time. Not at all, that would be absurd. I believe that creationism should be presented along with evolution. Preferably in a philosopical context because the scientific concept would be beyond what I would expect a 3rd grade science class to encompass.

[kareyn01]

If you honestly think its absurd that they are given equal time, then you don't agree with Sarah Palin. She thinks they should. At the same time, however, anybody that is interested in theology is going to be aware that creation myths exist, especially considering the theocratic sector of the right wing would only promote the teaching of the Christian theory.

I'm not saying that if a student asks a question that a teacher should pretend Christianity (or any other religion) doesn't exist, I just don't think creationism has any place (however small) in a science-based curriculum. Its more suited, as you yourself mentioned, being taught in a philosophy class.

[BiōHazard]

2000 presidential campaign

Main article: John McCain presidential campaign, 2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain_presidential_campaign,_2000)
McCain announced his candidacy for president on September 27, 1999 in Nashua, New Hampshire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashua,_New_Hampshire), saying he was staging "a fight to take our government back from the power brokers and special interests, and return it to the people and the noble cause of freedom it was created to serve".[115] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-114)[110] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-az-2000-109) The leader for the Republican nomination was Texas Governor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_of_Texas) George W. Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush), who had the political and financial support of most of the party establishment.[116] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-nyt092799-115)
McCain focused on the New Hampshire primary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Hampshire_primary), where his message appealed to independents.[117] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-alex-188-116) He traveled on a campaign bus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_bus) called the Straight Talk Express.[110] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-az-2000-109) He held many town hall meetings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_hall_meeting), answering every question voters asked, in a successful example of "retail politics", and he used free media to compensate for his lack of funds.[110] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-az-2000-109) One reporter later recounted that, "McCain talked all day long with reporters on his Straight Talk Express bus; he talked so much that sometimes he said things that he shouldn't have, and that's why the media loved him."[118] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-harpaz-117) On February 1, 2000, he won New Hampshire's primary with 49 percent of the vote to Bush's 30 percent. The Bush campaign and the Republican establishment feared that a McCain victory in the crucial South Carolina primary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Carolina_primary) might give his campaign unstoppable momentum.[119] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-nat021000-118)[110] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-az-2000-109)
The Arizona Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arizona_Republic) would write that the McCain-Bush primary contest in South Carolina "has entered national political lore as a low-water mark in presidential campaigns", while The New York Times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times) called it "a painful symbol of the brutality of American politics".[110] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-az-2000-109)[120] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-nyt101907-119)[121] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-dp2008-120) A variety of interest groups that McCain had challenged in the past ran negative ads.[110] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-az-2000-109)[122] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-121) Bush borrowed McCain's earlier language of reform,[123] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-nyt021000-122) and declined to disassociate himself from a veterans activist who accused McCain (in Bush's presence) of having "abandoned the veterans" on POW/MIA and Agent Orange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange) issues.[110] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-az-2000-109)[124] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-alex-250-123)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7f/McCainGallupPollRatings.PNG/330px-McCainGallupPollRatings.PNG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:McCainGallupPollRatings.PNG) http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:McCainGallupPollRatings.PNG)
John McCain's Gallup Poll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallup_Poll) favorable/unfavorable ratings, 1999–2008[125] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-gallup-chart-124)


Incensed,[124] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-alex-250-123) McCain ran ads accusing Bush of lying and comparing the governor to Bill Clinton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton), which Bush said was "about as low a blow as you can give in a Republican primary".[110] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-az-2000-109) An anonymous smear campaign began against McCain, delivered by push polls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_poll), faxes, e-mails, flyers, and audience plants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_(person)).[110] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-az-2000-109)[126] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-125) The smears claimed that McCain had fathered a black child out of wedlock (the McCains' dark-skinned daughter was adopted from Bangladesh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh)), that his wife Cindy was a drug addict, that he was a homosexual, and that he was a "Manchurian Candidate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manchurian_Candidate)" who was either a traitor or mentally unstable from his North Vietnam POW days.[110] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-az-2000-109)[120] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-nyt101907-119) The Bush campaign strongly denied any involvement with the attacks.[120] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-nyt101907-119)
McCain lost South Carolina on February 19, with 42 percent of the vote to Bush's 53 percent,[127] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-iht022100-126) in part because Bush mobilized the state's evangelical voters[110] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-az-2000-109)[128] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-aap-08-p96-127) and outspent McCain.[129] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-nyt021600-128) The win allowed Bush to regain lost momentum.[127] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-iht022100-126) McCain would say of the rumor spreaders, "I believe that there is a special place in hell for people like those."[77] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-dad060400-76) According to one report, the South Carolina experience left McCain in a "very dark place".[120] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-nyt101907-119)
McCain's campaign never completely recovered from his South Carolina defeat, although he did rebound partially by winning in Arizona (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona) and Michigan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan) a few days later.[130] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-cnn022200-129) He made a speech in Virginia Beach (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Beach) that criticized Christian leaders, including Pat Robertson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Robertson) and Jerry Falwell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Falwell), as divisive conservatives,[120] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-nyt101907-119) declaring "... we embrace the fine members of the religious conservative community. But that does not mean that we will pander to their self-appointed leaders."[131] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-130) McCain lost the Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia) primary on February 29,[132] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-131) and on March 7 lost nine of the thirteen primaries on Super Tuesday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Tuesday) to Bush.[133] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-132) With little hope of overcoming Bush's delegate lead, McCain withdrew from the race on March 9, 2000.[134] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-133) He endorsed Bush two months later,[135] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-134) and made occasional appearances with the Texas governor during the general election campaign.[110] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#cite_note-az-2000-109)


So my theory is, If they didnt vote him on 2000 to be a prez, wtf makes me want to vote for him now?? If he is the best pick now, why didnt they vote him into office back then?He lost to Bush for christs sake. I'm sure he has the same fucking policies as before so what gives?Makes me want to believe that the repubs want ANY candidate to win JUST so a Dem doesnt make office, and not what is in the best intrests of the Nation.

[Genius]

So my theory is, If they didnt vote him on 2000 to be a prez, wtf makes me want to vote for him now?? If he is the best pick now, why didnt they vote him into office back then?He lost to Bush for christs sake. I'm sure he has the same fucking policies as before so what gives?Makes me want to believe that the repubs want ANY candidate to win JUST so a Dem doesnt make office, and not what is in the best intrests of the Nation.
So, do you know ANYTHING about American politics? When has the best interest of the nation ever mattered in a presidential election?

[BiōHazard]

So, do you know ANYTHING about American politics? When has the best interest of the nation ever mattered in a presidential election?
Not until this year, is what i'm hearing.....

[Rover]

If you honestly think its absurd that they are given equal time, then you don't agree with Sarah Palin. She thinks they should. At the same time, however, anybody that is interested in theology is going to be aware that creation myths exist, especially considering the theocratic sector of the right wing would only promote the teaching of the Christian theory.

I'm not saying that if a student asks a question that a teacher should pretend Christianity (or any other religion) doesn't exist, I just don't think creationism has any place (however small) in a science-based curriculum. Its more suited, as you yourself mentioned, being taught in a philosophy class.I would rather they be given equal time than one theory get no time. There is no idea in this world that I am so terrified of that I would object to it being discussed (taught) in school. I do not understand the Left's absolute terror from creationism being discussed in school. As long as both sides are taught (shit, you can spend one day discussing how science and religion interact for all I care), there should be no problem. It's not like these kids would be forced to take tests on what God created on the 3rd day.

So my theory is, If they didnt vote him on 2000 to be a prez, wtf makes me want to vote for him now?? If he is the best pick now, why didnt they vote him into office back then?He lost to Bush for christs sake. I'm sure he has the same fucking policies as before so what gives?Makes me want to believe that the repubs want ANY candidate to win JUST so a Dem doesnt make office, and not what is in the best intrests of the Nation.The best interests of the Nation. As determined by you? Maybe it just means that the GOP was running 2 candidates in 2000 who were qualified to be president.

[freegood]

Political parties want to win.

The whole issue about the daughter represents the failure of the religious right's igorant abstinence policies that are making teens dumb as a rock when it comes to fucking.

A shotgun wedding....orly?

[Rover]

Political parties want to win.

The whole issue about the daughter represents the failure of the religious right's igorant abstinence policies that are making teens dumb as a rock when it comes to fucking.

A shotgun wedding....orly?Yes, the free condoms and all the birth control you can handle are certainly doing wonders for the teenage pregnancy rate among inner-city youth.

At least a shotgun wedding will ensure that the child will grow up with 2 parents and not in poverty.

[freegood]

Yes, the free condoms and all the birth control you can handle are certainly doing wonders for the teenage pregnancy rate among inner-city youth.

At least a shotgun wedding will ensure that the child will grow up with 2 parents and not in poverty.

All I'm saying is that there isn't compromise on the issue because the religious right thinks all premarital sex is the work of the devil and their idea of a solution is to teach teens backward lies to scare them into not fucking.

[Rover]

All I'm saying is that there isn't compromise on the issue because the religious right thinks all premarital sex is the work of the devil and their idea of a solution is to teach teens backward lies to scare them into not fucking.What is there to compromise? Abstinence only just leads to teenage pregnancy. Bulk condom distribution leads to teenage pregnancy. What is the end result of a compromise of 2 solutions that lead to the same thing?

[nuclearjew]

I like Chappelle's idea of having the principal and the oldest teacher fuck in front of the student body...queer the kids off sex.

[Le Goat]

I love how some of you fucktards think that DEBATING creationism and evolution is so bad. IT'S NOT FUCKING TEACHING... or at least, it shouldn't be taught but rather DEBATED which I'm pretty sure is what she meant by throwing out all of the information and letting the kids talk it out. It baffles me how some of you elitists in here cant distinguish between the two.


Insane

[Genius]

I love how some of you fucktards think that DEBATING creationism and evolution is so bad. IT'S NOT FUCKING TEACHING... or at least, it shouldn't be taught but rather DEBATED which I'm pretty sure is what she meant by throwing out all of the information and letting the kids talk it out. It baffles me how some of you elitists in here cant distinguish between the two.


Insane
We still teach kids that Christopher Columbus "discovered" a land mass that millions of people already lived on and that Europeans had been coming to for centuries. The problem with the whole thing for me is, if we can't teach kids the truth about something so simple as that, how are we supposed to approach subject matter that no one knows the truth about? Let the public schools handle evolution. If you feel your child should receive a Christian education, send them to a Chrisitan school. Problem solved.

[NotAllBlack]

I would stick my toungue up her far north ass.

[freegood]

What is there to compromise? Abstinence only just leads to teenage pregnancy. Bulk condom distribution leads to teenage pregnancy. What is the end result of a compromise of 2 solutions that lead to the same thing?

Compromise would be to teach teens how to use condoms correctly and give them more knowledge on what happens to preteen mothers and how their lives would change. Sure you'll still get some teenage pregnancies, but currently the rate is dropping while condom use is rising. If we're to spend hundreds of millions on sex ed, might as well do it right to sustain the downward trend.

As for how bizarre our current program is, I remember this old article on it when Congressional staffers did a report on their findings...

Some Abstinence Programs Mislead Teens, Report Says
By Ceci Connolly
Washington Post Staff Writer (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A26623-2004Dec1?language=printer)
Thursday, December 2, 2004; Page A01

Many American youngsters participating in federally funded abstinence-only programs have been taught over the past three years that abortion can lead to sterility and suicide, that half the gay male teenagers in the United States have tested positive for the AIDS virus, and that touching a person's genitals "can result in pregnancy," a congressional staff analysis has found.

Those and other assertions are examples of the "false, misleading, or distorted information" in the programs' teaching materials, said the analysis, released yesterday, which reviewed the curricula of more than a dozen projects aimed at preventing teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted disease.

In providing nearly $170 million next year to fund groups that teach abstinence only, the Bush administration, with backing from the Republican Congress, is investing heavily in a just-say-no strategy for teenagers and sex. But youngsters taking the courses frequently receive medically inaccurate or misleading information, often in direct contradiction to the findings of government scientists, said the report, by Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.), a critic of the administration who has long argued for comprehensive sex education.

Several million children ages 9 to 18 have participated in the more than 100 federal abstinence programs since the efforts began in 1999. Waxman's staff reviewed the 13 most commonly used curricula -- those used by at least five programs apiece.

The report concluded that two of the curricula were accurate but the 11 others, used by 69 organizations in 25 states, contain unproved claims, subjective conclusions or outright falsehoods regarding reproductive health, gender traits and when life begins. In some cases, Waxman said in an interview, the factual issues were limited to occasional misinterpretations of publicly available data; in others, the materials pervasively presented subjective opinions as scientific fact.
Among the misconceptions cited by Waxman's investigators:
• A 43-day-old fetus is a "thinking person."
• HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, can be spread via sweat and tears.
• Condoms fail to prevent HIV transmission as often as 31 percent of the time in heterosexual intercourse.

One curriculum, called "Me, My World, My Future," teaches that women who have an abortion "are more prone to suicide" and that as many as 10 percent of them become sterile. This contradicts the 2001 edition of a standard obstetrics textbook that says fertility is not affected by elective abortion, the Waxman report said.

"I have no objection talking about abstinence as a surefire way to prevent unwanted pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases," Waxman said. "I don't think we ought to lie to our children about science. Something is seriously wrong when federal tax dollars are being used to mislead kids about basic health facts."

When used properly and consistently, condoms fail to prevent pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) less than 3 percent of the time, federal researchers say, and it is not known how many gay teenagers are HIV-positive. The assertion regarding gay teenagers may be a misinterpretation of data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that found that 59 percent of HIV-infected males ages 13 to 19 contracted the virus through homosexual relations.

Joe. S. McIlhaney Jr., who runs the Medical Institute for Sexual Health, which developed much of the material that was surveyed, said he is "saddened" that Waxman chose to "blast" well-intentioned abstinence educators when there is much the two sides could agree on.

McIlhaney acknowledged that his group, which publishes "Sexual Health Today" instruction manuals, made a mistake in describing the relationship between a rare type of infection caused by chlamydia bacteria and heart failure. Chlamydia also causes a common type of sexually transmitted infection, but that is not linked to heart disease. But McIlhaney said Waxman misinterpreted a slide that warns young people about the possibility of pregnancy without intercourse. McIlhaney said the slide accurately describes a real, though small, risk of pregnancy in mutual masturbation.

Congress first allocated money for abstinence-only programs in 1999, setting aside $80 million in grants, which go to a variety of religious, civic and medical organizations. To be eligible, groups must limit discussion of contraception to failure rates.

President Bush has enthusiastically backed the movement, proposing to spend $270 million on abstinence projects in 2005. Congress reduced that to about $168 million, bringing total abstinence funding to nearly $900 million over five years. It does not appear that the abstinence-only curricula are being taught in the Washington area.

Waxman and other liberal sex-education proponents argue that adolescents who take abstinence-only programs are ill-equipped to protect themselves if they become sexually active. According to the latest CDC data, 61 percent of graduating high school seniors have had sex.

Supporters of the abstinence approach, also called abstinence until marriage, counter that teaching young people about "safer sex" is an invitation to have sex.

Alma Golden, deputy assistant secretary for population affairs in the Department of Health and Human Services, said in a statement that Waxman's report is a political document that does a "disservice to our children." Speaking as a pediatrician, Golden said, she knows "abstaining from sex is the most effective means of preventing the sexual transmission of HIV, STDs and preventing pregnancy."

Nonpartisan researchers have been unable to document measurable benefits of the abstinence-only model. Columbia University researchers found that although teenagers who take "virginity pledges" may wait longer to initiate sexual activity, 88 percent eventually have premarital sex.

Bill Smith, vice president of public policy at the Sexuality Information and Education Council of the United States, a comprehensive sex education group that also receives federal funding, said the Waxman report underscored the need for closer monitoring of what he called the "shame-based, fear-based, medically inaccurate messages" being disseminated with tax money. He said the danger of abstinence education lies in the omission of useful medical information.

Some course materials cited in Waxman's report present as scientific fact notions about a man's need for "admiration" and "sexual fulfillment" compared with a woman's need for "financial support." One book in the "Choosing Best" series tells the story of a knight who married a village maiden instead of the princess because the princess offered so many tips on slaying the local dragon. "Moral of the story," notes the popular text: "Occasional suggestions and assistance may be alright, but too much of it will lessen a man's confidence or even turn him away from his princess."

[Kopek]

http://i38.tinypic.com/nb2n9k.jpg

[Mustard]

I love how some of you fucktards think that DEBATING creationism and evolution is so bad. IT'S NOT FUCKING TEACHING... or at least, it shouldn't be taught but rather DEBATED which I'm pretty sure is what she meant by throwing out all of the information and letting the kids talk it out. It baffles me how some of you elitists in here cant distinguish between the two.


Insane
"Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information....Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. ...
The keyword is "teach". Well Sarah (and everyone who agrees with her)... there is just one eensy weensy tiny little problem with that idea.

You see, public schools are funded by tax payers via the government/s they pay to, as well as other government run programs such as lottery and such. In the USA, some whack-jobs back in the late 18th century (guys by the name of Jefferson, Adams, you know... total idiots right? I mean, what the fuck were they thinking...) sorta kinda thought that the church establishments (all of them) should be kept totally seperate from state establishments. But, they had a good reason. They wanted religious persecution to not be a problem, (because it had been a GIANT HUMUNGOUS HORRIBLE PROBLEM) so by removing religion from the state all together, the state could remain neutral on the issue thus practically eliminating the possibility of state sponsored religious persecution.

Fast forward 230 years, and you know what... those guys who thought that it might be best if religion was kept seperate of the state, well gosh, it looks like history has been a pretty darn favorable judge of that idea.

So now along comes people such as Sarah Palin, who advocate that religious beliefs should be taught in state funded and administrated establishments such as schools?

I need only ask one question to make my point here: What would our founding fathers think?

you still think religious beliefs should be taught in school. Then kindly get the fuck out of the United States of America and move your ass to Saudi Arabia. I hear their way of thinking more suits yours...

[kareyn01]

I think the Palin pick is going to seal Obama's victory. The next batch of "why the hell did McCain pick her again" stories:

1) John McCain has stated that "527s need to be eliminated...they are a disgrace and they have to be eliminated because they are clearly in violation of the law" http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,303815,00.html

Problem is, Sarah Palin was the director of a 527 incorporated in 2003 called "Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc", which could raise unlimited corporate funds for the candidate. Not only does it fly in the face of McCain's own campaign finance reform, it also ties Palin to Stevens, who is currently facing corruption charges. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/01/palin_was_a_director_of_embatt.html#more

2) The Alaskan Independence Party is a fringe political party in Alaska that introduced a resolution in 2000 proposing "the dissolution of the federal government of the United States of America" (http://web.archive.org/web/20001208222900/http://akip.org/resol.html#5) The Vice Chairman of the AIP claims that Palin was a member of the party before she became mayor of Wasilla. That could be construed as a fringe group trying to make garner attention for itself, until you realize that Palin recorded a message for the group's 2008 convention: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/

Sarah Palin, the gift that keeps on giving.

[Crack]

Carrying a child to term TRIPPLES the chance of auto-immune disorders in the future. That's right, you get pregnant and the odds of alzheimers, MS and parkingsons shoots up 300%

It's in every woman's best interest to adopt a child if the opportunity allows itself. And this FACT, is just one more example how the misinformation in our society contributes to the suffering of innocense.

[Claydon]

ok liberal fuck sticks, even your messiah has stated that the nom's family are off limits in a campaign.

In his media avail, Obama just responded to reporters' questions about the Bristol Palin story. Noting that his mother had him when she was 18 years old, Obama said families are "off limits" in campaigns. He was very impassioned.

"I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people’s families are off limits, and people’s children are especially off limits. This shouldn’t be part of our politics, it has no relevance to governor Palin’s performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories," Obama said. "And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know, my mother had me when she was 18. And how family deals with issues and teenage children that shouldn’t be the topic of our politics, and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that is off limits."

Regarding to the accusation from the McCain camp that rumors of Bristol Palin were being spread by liberal bloggers, some with connections to the Obama campaign, the Illinois senator replied: "I am offended by that statement.Tthere is no evidence at all that any of this involved us. I hope I am as clear as I can be. So in case I am not, let me repeat: We don’t go after people’s families; we don’t get them involved in the politics. It is not appropriate and it is not relevant. Our people were not involved in any way in this and they will not be. And if I ever thought it was somebody in the campaign that was involved in something like that they would be fired."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/01/1321281.aspx

[Hanover Fist]

I think the Palin pick is going to seal Obama's victory. The next batch of "why the hell did McCain pick her again" stories:

1) John McCain has stated that "527s need to be eliminated...they are a disgrace and they have to be eliminated because they are clearly in violation of the law" http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,303815,00.html

Problem is, Sarah Palin was the director of a 527 incorporated in 2003 called "Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc", which could raise unlimited corporate funds for the candidate. Not only does it fly in the face of McCain's own campaign finance reform, it also ties Palin to Stevens, who is currently facing corruption charges. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/01/palin_was_a_director_of_embatt.html#more

2) The Alaskan Independence Party is a fringe political party in Alaska that introduced a resolution in 2000 proposing "the dissolution of the federal government of the United States of America" (http://web.archive.org/web/20001208222900/http://akip.org/resol.html#5) The Vice Chairman of the AIP claims that Palin was a member of the party before she became mayor of Wasilla. That could be construed as a fringe group trying to make garner attention for itself, until you realize that Palin recorded a message for the group's 2008 convention: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/

Sarah Palin, the gift that keeps on giving.


Do you actually even read shit before you post it? Seriously?

She welcomed the Independence party to Fairbanks and clearly stated that she regarded them as competition, while acknowledging the parts of their platform that she agreed with. Remind what is so bad about that again?

As for Stevens, I'll let her actions speak for themselves to shoot down the first part of your post.

[BIG PIZZLE]

Palin's 17 y/o daughter is pregnant. What a fucking shame.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/sarah_palins_teenage_daughter.html

http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/01/Bristol%20Palin%20small.jpg

by Jason George
ANCHORAGE, Alaska--The presidential campaign of Sen. John McCain announced today that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's teenage daughter is pregnant.

In a statement, Palin and husband Todd said, "Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. We are proud of Bristol's decision to have her baby, and even prouder to become grandparents."

The couple said Bristol, 17, plans to marry the "young man" who is the father of her child. The Reuters news agency reported Monday that Bristol is five months pregnant.

Bristol is the oldest daughter of Gov. Palin's five children.

The campaign released the statement today to rebut rumor swirling around the internet that Sarah Palin is not really the mother of her youngest child, but that Bristol is the mother of baby Trig, who was born in April. Such rumors, months old here in Alaska, were fueled by the fact that Bristol has appeared at all McCain-Palin campaign events since Friday holding Trig on stage.

McCain knew that Palin's oldest daughter was pregnant before he tapped Palin to be his running mate, campaign officials said Monday.

"Of course he knew," one senior campaign official said, adding that there will be no further comment and requesting that the media respect Bristol Palin's privacy.

Mark Okeson, the assistant principal at Wasilla High School, said Bristol started her junior year there last fall, in the town where Sarah Palin grew up, but Bristol transferred to an Anchorage high school mid-year.

Okeson said Bristol is always an excellent student and popular.

"She was very well respected, very kind to be around," he said. "She ran in lots of circles."

Okeson learned of the McCain camp's statement about Bristol's pregnancy Monday.

"I'm sorry to hear this, but I have every confidence they have the abilities and the confidences to handle this," he said.

"Just like children should not pay for the sins of the parents, the parents should not pay for the transgressions of the children."

[Claydon]

Palin's 17 y/o daughter is pregnant. What a fucking shame.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/sarah_palins_teenage_daughter.html

http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/01/Bristol%20Palin%20small.jpg

welcome to this morning and 50 posts ago.7

[BIG PIZZLE]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080901/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_troopergate


Palin hires attorney for Troopergate investigation
By STEVE QUINN, Associated Press Writer 3 minutes ago

ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the GOP vice presidential candidate, is being represented by an attorney in the investigation into the firing of her public safety commissioner.

The Legislature is investigating whether Palin fired public safety commissioner Walt Monegan after he refused to fire a state trooper who had divorced Palin's sister.

The Legislature's investigating committee disclosed the attorney's hiring on Monday. The committee released an e-mailed letter it had received from the lawyer on Friday, the day McCain announced she would be McCain's running mate.

"We have been hired to represent the Governor and the Governor's Office" in the investigation, Anchorage attorney Thomas V. Van Flein wrote. "We fully welcome a fair inquiry into these allegations. ... Please know that we intend to cooperate with this investigation."

Tucker Eskew, a senior McCain adviser, said the state, not Palin herself, hired the attorney to represent her in her capacity as governor, and he has been working for several weeks.

"The governor of every state gets legal counsel and this attorney is part of a weeks-old effort to provide this governor defense in a series of outlandish politically motivated charges," Eskew said. "This legal defense is neither new nor uncommon nor at all political. It is a matter of her job and is not recent and it is not related to her selection on the McCain-Palin ticket."

Van Flein requested a copy of all witness statements and documentary evidence from the Legislature's investigator, Stephen Branchflower. Sen. Hollis French, an Anchorage Democrat who heads the panel, said he has instructed Branchflower not to comply with the request.

In July, a legislative oversight committee approved $100,000 to investigate whether Palin abused her power in firing Monegan.

This political he-said, she-said has dogged Palin for nearly two months and is likely to do so for another two months leading to the Nov. 4 presidential election.

The little-known vice presidential candidate faces accusations of firing public safety commissioner Walt Monegan in what amounts to a messy Palin family drama dating to her pre-gubernatorial days.

The accuser is blogger and rental car executive Andrew Halcro, a Republican-turned-Independent who lost to Palin in the 2006 governor's race.

The accused is Palin, the rising Republican star with a clean-hands reputation who has the most to lose.

The man in the middle is Monegan, who says Palin never told him to fire the trooper, but he felt pressure to do so from members of her administration.

Then there's trooper Mike Wooten, who used a Taser on his stepson, Palin's nephew Payton. Wooten has been reprimanded for violating nearly a dozen laws and departmental policies since December 2001.

It's now in the hands of a state-hired investigator working for a Republican-dominated legislative committee that hopes to sort out the mess.

Palin steadfastly denies the allegations, and with her signature resolve, said she welcomes the investigation. "Hold me accountable," she challenge her critics.
With Palin now in the national spotlight as McCain's choice as running mate, the investigation could get more attention than the federal corruption probes involving Republican Sen. Ted Stevens and others that already is besetting this state.


"With this appointment, you've given an obscure investigation more national limelight than any grand jury," said Democratic consultant Dane Strother. "Think about it, if they come down on her, what is McCain going to do?"

McCain's campaign says it's not worried about the investigation. "The bottom line is Governor Palin has a proven record championing transparency in government and we are confident in that record," said McCain spokeswoman Maria Comella.

Monegan was fired in July, after he declined a transfer to become the director to the state's alcohol control board.

At the time Palin said she wanted the department to move in a new direction. But later, after Monegan said he felt pressured to fire Wooten, Palin at a news conference said Monegan wasn't a team player, didn't do enough to fill trooper vacancies and battle alcohol abuse issues in rural Alaska.

State lawmakers have long said they understand that Monegan and other commissioners serve at will, meaning they can be fired by Palin at any time.

But they want to know if Palin abused her power with the potential motives of this firing being personal rather than work-related.

It began with a July 17 blog posting from Halcro, whose accusations gained momentum when Monegan publicly said he felt pressure from Palin's administration to fire Wooten.

A few days later, the state approved $100,000 to hire an outside investigator, Branchflower, a former Anchorage prosecutor, to look into the firing.

Monegan could not be reached for comment, but he recently told the Anchorage Daily News that he was never directly told by Palin or anyone to fire Wooten. But he maintained that Palin, members of her administration and her husband, Todd Palin, raised the issue about Wooten's employment numerous times.

A month after Monegan was dismissed, Palin revealed that at least two dozens calls were made from her staff members to Department of Public Safety officials, also questioning Wooten's employment. But she denied orchestrating the calls.

One of those took place between Frank Bailey, Palin's director of boards and commissions, and an Alaska state trooper serving as a liaison to the Legislature.

In the recorded conversation, Bailey is heard saying: "Todd and Sarah are scratching their heads, why on earth hasn't, why is this guy still representing the department? He's a horrible recruiting tool. ... You know, I mean from their perspective, everyone's protecting him."

Palin has said she had no knowledge of the call, and Bailey told The Associated Press that he made the call without direction from anyone.

This investigation is separate from a higher profile federal probe of corruption of Alaska politics.

Stevens, the longest serving Republican in U.S. Senate history, faces trial later this month for allegedly lying on federal disclosure forms to hide $250,000 in gifts from VECO Corp. The state's only congressman, Rep. Don Young, also is under investigation. Five former and current state lawmakers have either been sentenced to federal prison or await trial on bribery and conspiracy charges.

This investigation into Monegan's dismissal has more than its share of subplots as well. The probe into Palin's involvement if any was ordered by a Republican-dominated state legislative council that includes one of the lawmakers under a federal bribery indictment. And Branchflower, the investigator, is a former Anchorage prosecutor whose wife used to work for Monegan at the Anchorage Police Department.

Wooten did not a return message left Sunday on his cell phone by The Associated Press.

[kareyn01]

Do you actually even read shit before you post it? Seriously?

She welcomed the Independence party to Fairbanks and clearly stated that she regarded them as competition, while acknowledging the parts of their platform that she agreed with. Remind what is so bad about that again?

As for Stevens, I'll let her actions speak for themselves to shoot down the first part of your post.

Let her actions speak for themselves? That's exactly what they've done. You don't think that leading a 627 to raise what are essentially illegal funds (something even John McCain acknowledged) for a Senator that is currently facing corruption charges speaks for itself?

And I don't know what the deal is with Palin and the AIP, but what the hell is she doing even addressing a group whose main goal is secession from the union, and claims that "the federal government has, for decades, violated the constitution in both word and spirit", even if she never was a member of the party as they claim (and did so back in 2007)

Her actions, from heavy government spending (which she is supposedly against), directing a 527 for a disgraced politician and being under federal investigation in the Troopergate scandal, lying about her initial support for the Bridge to Nowhere, as well as initially saying her staff did not exert pressure to fire her ex brother-in-law, before reversing her statement only AFTER audio tapes were made public, speak loud and clear.

I agree with Claydon (and Barack Obama) that her family should be off-limits (unless, of course, the ridiculous story about her 5th kid had somehow been true). All they do is distract from the actual issues with her nomination, which are legion.

[Crack]

The father is a 26-year old uneducated lug-nut :D

[Claydon]

cant we ban crack for being a forum troll?

[Hanover Fist]

The father is a 26-year old uneducated lug-nut :D

So he's pretty much 8 rungs higher on the ladder of life than yourself right?

[BIG PIZZLE]

I dont think this chick could have gotten elected anywhere but Alaska. No matter what you think of her, this could not have been what McCain wanted and his judgment is definitely brought into question. I have a feeling that Palin would have been a contestant on A Shot at Love w/ Tila Tequila, if the timing was right.

[Claydon]

I dont think this chick could have gotten elected anywhere but Alaska. No matter what you think of her, this could not have been what McCain wanted and his judgment is definitely brought into question. I have a feeling that Palin would have been a contestant on A Shot at Love w/ Tila Tequila, if the timing was right.

Schwartzenagger was elected governor of the most populated, and economically powerful state in the union.

[BIG PIZZLE]

The father is a 26-year old uneducated lug-nut :D

I hope this is true because statutory rape makes is even more awesome. I'm sure the daughter loves to be pregnant and engaged at 17.

[Hanover Fist]

I hope this is true because statutory rape makes is even more awesome. I'm sure the daughter loves to be pregnant and engaged at 17.

Age of consent in Alaska is 16, same as with most states.
I don't really see any of the mud slung at her so far as being significant. McCain pretty much knew all about the trooper firing and says he knew about her daughter being pregnant before he picked her. Apparently neither one of those bothered him and neither one will probably bother most people.

[BIG PIZZLE]

Schwartzenagger was elected governor of the most populated, and economically powerful state in the union.

Schwartzenagger, smoked pot and womanized a long time ago. This chick cant manage her family right now. Plus the only thing this chick had going for her were her conservative vaules which she seems to have failed at passing on to her kids.

[BIG PIZZLE]

Age of consent in Alaska is 16, same as with most states.
I don't really see any of the mud slung at her so far as being significant. McCain pretty much knew all about the trooper firing and says he knew about her daughter being pregnant before he picked her. Apparently neither one of those bothered him and neither one will probably bother most people.

I really cant see how it's not bothering you. You think it's OK for a 16 y/o girl to bang a 26 y/o? Because if my 16 y/o daughter got pregnant by 26 year old sleezeball, I would consider myself a failure as a father.

[Mustard]

Lord, if you're up there, I just want to thank you and Sen. McCain from the bottom of my heart for choosing Sarah Palin to be the GOP VP pick. Thank you thank you thank you!!! Romney, Pawlenty, even Hutchison would have been a formidable duo to beat in November... but Palin truly is God's gift that will keep on giving and giving to Barack Obama and Joe Biden. The cons are all but sunk with a McCain/Palin ticket, and I couldn't be happier!

Thank you Lord, and thank you McCain, for gift wrapping the election for Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

[Hanover Fist]

I really cant see how it's not bothering you. You think it's OK for a 16 y/o girl to bang a 26 y/o? Because if my 16 y/o daughter got pregnant by 26 year old sleezeball, I would consider myself a failure as a father.

I would say if it isn't my kid, it's none of my business actually.

[Crack]

Preventing sex-education is still a repression of information which runs contrary to the pursuit of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.


Human beings that prevent a truly free education are our societies' most dangerous individuals.

There is no reason other than ignorance or hate to withhold a complete education from any indivual.

[BIG PIZZLE]

I would say if it isn't my kid, it's none of my business actually.

But it is your business. It is potentially the vice-president of your country. It's not some family two houses down the street who you can ignore and tell your kids to stay away from. You have an interest in this woman. She is supposed to be a conservative example for families everywhere. At least that's how she was pitched to the american people, well up until now anyways.

[Crack]

If you can't fucking lead your family to success, how can you lead a fucking country???