NASCAR Discussion

[The Dude]

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[The Dude]

i guess i'll get this bitch started with a question...

Do you think Kyle Busch's success will carry over to the 2009 season?

[Lone Wolf]

He's sure made losing Tony Stewart a whole lot easier to take for Joe Gibbs Racing

[Erased]

i guess i'll get this bitch started with a question...

Do you think Kyle Busch's success will carry over to the 2009 season?

Probably not...I hope not. I cannot stand him...

[Lone Wolf]

The guy drives like an animal and he has grown up some, so I don't see him slowing down any

[Alcestis]

Do you think Kyle Busch's success will carry over to the 2009 season?

Thats an impossible question to answer. Each year is so unpredictable. When asked if Jimmie Johnson and/or Jeff Gordon were going to continue their 2006-2007 success I said yes, and look at their winning record.

[The Dude]

lemme rephrase...will kyle sustain his level over a number of years like both gordon and johnson or will he be maddeningly inconsistent like Jr?

[Lone Wolf]

I think right now he is the future of racing as far as the top guys go. I don't see him fadin like Jr, Kasey Kahne, Ryan Newman or his brother. He's going to be a pain in Hendrick's ass for quite some time.

[RedBEARD]

NASCAR is about as uninteresting as I can ever remember it being. The drivers are bland and uncharismatic (save for 1 or 2), the "COT" is a piece of garbage, the ever-expanding rule book is taking away the fun of crew chiefs trying to one-up each other with some novel bits of ingenuity and strategy, and quite frankly I don't think the organization is going to do anything about it until they realize that the fans aren't buying as many tickets.

And Kyle Busch looks like a friggin' Kiebler elf - hell, both those boys do. There's no way he's suddenly become this unstoppable force in NASCAR. It's some combination of Toyota engineering and him being a decent-to-good driver.

[The Dude]

agreed, i definitely haven't paid as much attention this year

[Alcestis]

lemme rephrase...will kyle sustain his level over a number of years like both gordon and johnson or will he be maddeningly inconsistent like Jr?

If he continues like he is, he's future is promising, but since I dislike this twat with a passion...I can only hope for a crash and burn session on a weekly basis.

[AlanSmithee]

I for one want to see him fail next year, teach him for being such a smart ass after his wins this year......either that or I'd like to see someone hurl a can at him when he takes his victory bows.

[chaos2015]

i think toyotas getting special treatment

[A-Ron]

They have special something. 2 road coarse wins by the same driver. He's either a phenom or his car is better than everyone elses, which by COT standards should be impossible.

[chaos2015]

they tested the engines a last month and all the toyota engines were making a good bit more hp then the other engines

[Lone Wolf]

i think toyotas getting special treatment

Fatfuck Tony can't seem to win in one and he's a guy that can drive anything

[Mustard]

Why are there not more Fords?

[chaos2015]

Fatfuck Tony can't seem to win in one and he's a guy that can drive anything
hes over the hill

[Alcestis]

Sunday August 17, 2008

3M Performance 400 - Michigan International Speedway

Line up: (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2008/23/data/lineup.html)

1 83 Brian Vickers Toyota
2 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet
3 19 Elliott Sadler Dodge
4 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet
5 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet
6 10 Patrick Carpentier* Dodge
7 44 David Reutimann Toyota
8 01 Regan Smith* Chevrolet
9 16 Greg Biffle Ford
10 66 Scott Riggs Chevrolet
11 18 Kyle Busch Toyota
12 7 Robby Gordon Dodge
13 2 Kurt Busch Dodge
14 17 Matt Kenseth Ford
15 8 Mark Martin Chevrolet
16 6 David Ragan Ford
17 45 Terry Labonte Dodge
18 26 Jamie McMurray Ford
19 42 Juan Montoya Dodge
20 12 Ryan Newman Dodge
21 20 Tony Stewart Toyota
22 00 Mike Skinner Toyota
23 77 Sam Hornish Jr.* Dodge
24 22 Dave Blaney Toyota
25 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet
26 28 Travis Kvapil Ford
27 99 Carl Edwards Ford
28 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet
29 5 Casey Mears Chevrolet
30 70 Tony Raines Chevrolet
31 41 Reed Sorenson Dodge
32 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge
33 84 A.J. Allmendinger Toyota
34 78 Joe Nemechek Chevrolet
35 43 Bobby Labonte Dodge
36 15 Paul Menard Chevrolet
37 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota
38 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet
39 21 Marcos Ambrose Ford
40 38 David Gilliland Ford
41 07 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet
42 55 Michael Waltrip Toyota
43 96 Brad Coleman Toyota

*rookie

[Alcestis]

Live POINTS Standings (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/live_points_standings.html)

Live LEARDERBOARD (http://www.nascar.com/races/leaderboard/cup/race/)

[Hanover Fist]

I thought it was interesting that the flyover before the race was from the Canadian Air Force. First time I've ever seen that here. Although when I went to the truck race in June it seemed like the stands were packed with Canuckians. Maybe with the crappy Michigan economy they are trying to appeal more to the Canadians. I know there were about 30,000 empty seats for the June race, I haven't seen the attendance from this one yet.

[Alcestis]

Lap 200
CHECKERED FLAG: Carl Edwards (99) wins the 3M Performance 400 at Michigan, his fifth victory of the season.

[Hoser]

I thought it was interesting that the flyover before the race was from the Canadian Air Force. First time I've ever seen that here. Although when I went to the truck race in June it seemed like the stands were packed with Canuckians. Maybe with the crappy Michigan economy they are trying to appeal more to the Canadians. I know there were about 30,000 empty seats for the June race, I haven't seen the attendance from this one yet.

You might be right, I have a friend that went down for this race.

[Alcestis]

200/200 - LEADERBOARD (http://racecast.nascar.com/races/leaderboard/cup/race/)

STANDINGS (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2008/data/standings_official.html) as of Michigan

[Hanover Fist]

Well you're probably going to be able to move Stewart way down that standings list since they caught JGR cheating at the dyno.
They found magnets under the gas pedal so their cars would read lower on both the #18 and #20 cars.
Gibbs is going to get hammered by NASCAR for that.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor/nascar/2008-08-17-gibbs-investigation_N.htm

Gibbs' Nationwide teams caught manipulating NASCAR test
BROOKLYN, Mich. (AP) — The No. 18 and No. 20 Joe Gibbs Racing teams in the Nationwide Series will likely face big penalties after efforts to alter the results of a chassis dyno test.
NASCAR inspectors, preparing to do tests on horsepower numbers after Saturday's Nationwide race at Michigan International Speedway, found magnets under the gas pedals on the two Gibbs Toyotas.
Tony Stewart (http://fantasynascar.usatoday.com/content/player.asp?sport=NAS&id=13), making his last Nationwide start for the Gibbs team, finished third in the No. 20, and 18-year-old rookie Joey Logano was seventh in the No. 18. The race was won by Carl Edwards (http://fantasynascar.usatoday.com/content/player.asp?sport=NAS&id=166) in a Ford.
Toyota has won 15 of 25 races this season in Nationwide, and all but one came in a Camry fielded by Gibbs. The exception was JGR driver Kyle Busch (http://fantasynascar.usatoday.com/content/player.asp?sport=NAS&id=123)'s victory at Charlotte in May in a car fielded by Braun Racing.
In the face of such domination, last month NASCAR ordered the Toyota Nationwide teams to use a smaller spacer to cut about 15 horsepower in their motors.


The incident Saturday was apparently an effort to keep the current numbers from looking too strong in the latest test.
"In our post-race inspection — yesterday was the day we were going to chassis dyno cars — our inspectors discovered some shims that were placed on the gas pedal stop," Robin Pemberton, vice president of competition for NASCAR, said Sunday. "It was magnets that were about a quarter-inch thick that prevented the accelerator from going 100% wide open.
"The intention was to manipulate the numbers that we get when we get our information and data off the dyno."
Pemberton said NASCAR officials will meet Monday and Tuesday to determine what penalties will be handed out.
"I anticipate that we haven't seen the end of it yet," Pemberton said when asked if the penalties were likely to be severe. "We historically don't make our decisions within a 24-hour period. It takes time to get everybody in a group and talk about it."
J.D. Gibbs, son of owner Joe Gibbs and president of the team, said JGR takes full responsibility for the actions of its employees.
"Let me just say that, first and foremost, that that was a really poor, foolish decision on the part of our key guys there at JGR," Gibbs said. "I want to apologize to NASCAR, to our partners, to Toyota guys. A couple guys chose to make a decision there that really impacts all of us."
Gibbs said he was thankful that it was an off-track incident that did not involve racing and added that the big — and most frustrating — question is why was it done?
"I know they were probably frustrated from the standpoint that wanting to show that, 'Hey, we have less horsepower than ever before' and they wanted to make it look like we're handicapped even more than we actually were," Gibbs said. "I understand that, but that's not an excuse.
"For us, we kind of feel like, in the engine shop that's kind of a badge of honor. You win that engine dyno, good for you. That's kind of how we felt in the past few years and (chief engine builder) Mark Cronquist and those guys really feel like they want to win that thing.
"The way I look at it, to come back after you've been chopped, to come back and win it again, that's awesome," Gibbs noted. "That's a great story. That wasn't able to be told."
He said no matter what action NASCAR takes, the team will address the situation in-house.
"(We'll) figure out exactly what happened and those that were responsible," Gibbs said. "There's going to be punishment for that. That's just part of life. You can't do that."
In a statement released by the elder Gibbs, he echoed his son.
"If this alleged incident proves true, it goes against everything we stand for as an organization," the former Washington Redskins coach said. "We will take full responsibility and accept any penalties NASCAR levies against us."
Lee White, president of Toyota Racing Development, said the company is grateful that the team stepped up and took responsibility and made it clear Toyota was not involved.
"I found out about it halfway through the day session last night, when I went over there to see what was going on," White said. "I was surprised to see what was happening, and astonished and frankly incredulous. I couldn't believe it was happening because it's clearly defined in the entry forms that you don't do this sort of thing.
"But I'm sure Joe and J.D. will take care of that internally and, whatever fans think, they're going to think. We're just going to keep working on our stuff."
Pat Suhy, GM Racing group manager for NASCAR, said the actions by the Gibbs team raise more questions.
"It's not something that you like to hear about and you have to just question every chassis dyno that's ever been run on every Toyota," Suhy said. "You look at the (No.) 32 car (of Brian Vickers (http://fantasynascar.usatoday.com/content/player.asp?sport=NAS&id=120) and Red Bull Racing), the 32 and the 18 and the 20 made about the same power the first run (on the dyno). When they took the magnet, or whatever this device was, out of the 18 and the 20, they both came up.
"What I don't know is if it's a Toyota problem, if it's a Joe Gibbs thing, how widespread is it and how long has it been going on, because a lot of what's been done (by NASCAR) has been based on the chassis dyno results. And, if they were always showing worse on the chassis dyno than actual, maybe (NASCAR) didn't go far enough.
"It's disappointing to hear that anybody, whether it's a manufacturer or a team or an individual on a team would go to any length to do that," Suhy added. "It's bad for the entire garage, I think."
Jack Roush, co-owner of Roush Fenway Racing, which fields Fords in the Nationwide Series, called the Gibbs team's actions "extremely detrimental to stock car racing.
"NASCAR will figure out what they should," Roush said. "If they're going to make decisions based on parity, after they've given (Toyota) what they've given them with regard to parameters on their engine, based on flawed data that a team or the manufacturer, one of the other, had kited or shaved, that certainly is detrimental to my interests."

[Alcestis]

Thats the Nationwide circuit, I'm posting standings only for the Sprint Cup series.

And I'm sure Stewart will have his ass handed to him. At this point, I don't think he gives a rats ass. Why, they would attempt something like that NOW... its crazy, both those drives are in the bottom 20's-30's. Foolish.

[hospitalrock]

I agree with you on Stewart. He has his mind on other things.

[Alcestis]

msn.foxsports.com (http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/8467650?MSNHPHMA)

NASCAR has stripped Joe Gibbs Racing drivers Tony Stewart and Joey Logano of 150 points each and their crew chiefs were suspended indefinitely Wednesday for cheating during Saturday's Nationwide Series race.

Crew chiefs Jason Ratcliff and Dave Rogers were also fined $50,000 each, and five other crew members were suspended indefinitely.

After Stewart finished third in Saturday's race at Michigan International Speedway in the No. 20 car and Joey Logano was seventh in the No. 18, inspectors found magnets under the gas pedals of both cars in attempt to mask the cars' true horsepower.

Gibbs' No. 18 and No. 20 Toyotas have dominated this season, combining to win 14 of 25 Nationwide races. NASCAR last month ordered all Toyota teams to cut about 15 horsepower in their motors.

^ Nationwide circuit

[Tar Heel]

Why No Kyle punishment?

[Alcestis]

Why No Kyle punishment?

We could only begin to wish. But I found this statement interesting...

NASCAR last month ordered all Toyota teams to cut about 15 horsepower in their motors.

Less wins for Dumbo?

[hospitalrock]

I haven't enjoyed watching kyle win but it seems like the Toyotas found a way to get more horsepower with the same specs. Why shouldn't they benefit?

[willy62]

What do you all think about Casey Mears going to RCR and driving the 07 and Clint Bowyer driving the 33 General Mills. What a crock of shit. Clint in the Jack car is where he needs to stay. Casey Mears sucks I can't believe RCR picked him up.

[Alcestis]

Casey Mears wasn't given the opportunity to thrive because Hendricks has his golden boys already, so instead of working with young and upcoming talent he brings in a fossil who needs to go toe-up.

[}{arlequin]

msn.foxsports.com (http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/8467650?MSNHPHMA)



^ Nationwide circuit
this is the kind of bullshit that bothers me ab nascrap. first they let toyota enter the series, stick their noses in and over their shoulders the entire time, and when they STILL made a better/more powerful engine than anyone else, they get punished for it w/ restrictions.

they outplayed and outengineered all the 'established' teams, and basically handed their asses to them in their own sport.

now that they tried to fudge the hp numbers to not get any more restrictions thrown at them for the rest of the season, they get busted and punished.

changing rules halfway through a season is complete bullshit. so what if nascar is trying to keep a level playing field. toyota obviously did it better than anyone else, let the other retards catch up to them, or not, and then make a rules change for the next season. let them enjoy the fruits of their labor.

if nascar didn't try to fuck them, they wouldn't be forced to cheat. the engine IS built to spec, after all. nascar knows that. if it makes more power, that should be a reward, not an excuse to slow toyota's cars down.

this is why the series is close. b/c of stupid rules made up on the spot.


/rant.

[Alcestis]

/ranting is good

Agree with everything you mentioned, and we have to admit the concept of using the magnets was pretty slick. They would have scored 10/10 if they had the ability to get away with it.

NASCAR wants an even 'driving' field, its never going to happen.

[willy62]

Could not agree more with you about being a fossil. Although I think JR. had a little bit to do with bringing Mark to Hendricks, since Mark and Dale Sr. were so close I think Jr. felt like he should be teammates with his daddy's best buddy before he retires.

[hospitalrock]

I agree with your rant. If they have specs and someone can do what it takes within those specs why should they be punished. Don't blame them for trying cover up the HP.

[Alcestis]

Sharpie 500 Starting Grid (http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/cup/startingGrid?gameId=20080823016)

Saturday, August 23rd @ Bristol Motor Speedway 8:15 p.m. EST

[jcmanuel]

Gordon is due. WTF, Kyle Busch will probably win again

[Alcestis]

Dude, bad mojo. Run around in a counter-clock wise circle repeating "NO! Kyle Busch will not win!!"

Start............................................. .now.

[Alcestis]

Live POINTS Standings (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/live_points_standings.html)

Live LEADERBOARD (http://www.nascar.com/races/leaderboard/cup/race/)

[hospitalrock]

Nice job by Edwards on the bump and run. Bush would have done the same to him. It is going to be interesting to watch these two in the final 10 races.

[willy62]

Edwards will stomp on Busch any chance he gets. Kyle's little antics throughout the year show boating are going to cost him dearly in the Chase. The big boys want hesitate to throw him in the wall if they need to.

[Tar Heel]

that was awesome at the ending. I gained a whole lot of respect for Carl Edwards. Fuck both Bush boys. They are just unlikable cunts.

[Alcestis]

that was awesome at the ending. I gained a whole lot of respect for Carl Edwards. Fuck both Bush boys. They are just unlikable cunts.

Did anyone else hear that chuckle from the commentators or was it me when Kyle lapped Kurt? [/I'm sure it wasn't just me]

[willy62]

I didn't hear it, but I can't help but think that they love it when the bad guy (Bush Bros) get into trouble. It has to be good tv for them after all the bull shit Kyle has been doing after he loses. Did I mention I can't stand those SOB's

[Alcestis]

Pepsi 500 Starting Grid (http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/cup/startingGrid?gameId=20080831052)

Sunday, August 31st @ Auto Club Speedway 8:15 p.m EST

Edit:

Pepsi 500 Results (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2008/25/data/results_official.html)

Offical 'Sprint' Standings (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2008/data/standings_official.html)

[Alcestis]

Chevy Rock & Roll 400 Starting Grid (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2008/26/data/lineup.html)

"RAIN OUT Position Based on Owner Points"

EDIT: Story (http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/headlines/cup/09/05/cup.nationwide.richmond.postponed/index.html)

New track time: Sunday, September 7th 1:00 p.m. EST - ESPN

Live LEARDERBOARD (http://www.nascar.com/races/leaderboard/cup/race/)

[merlin13]

I can't remember if I heard it on tv or radio but there is an explanation for Toyota's success. The manufacturer is giving more money, more data, more R&D and all, to all of the teams. This is similar to the way Dodge is running that program. However, Toyota engineers are more hands on, whereas with the other manufacturers, they do not have personnel on the individual teams. That doesn't explain M. Waltrip's problems, he couldn't drive his finger up his ass w/o wreaking. NASCAR is consistent in midseason rules changing,for example, they forced Chevy to switch from Monte Carlos to Luminas back in the day. They also allowed body mods, rear spoiler?, when pontiac came out with the new Grand Prix.

[Alcestis]

Michael Waltrip (imo) is the worse driver in NASCAR. The man just needs to concentrate on being an owner and give it up already.

Results at Richmond (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2008/26/data/results_unofficial.html)

Standings as of Richmond (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2008/data/standings_official.html)

1 -- Kyle Busch 3755 Leader
2 -- Carl Edwards 3547 -208
3 +1 Jimmie Johnson 3386 -369
4 -1 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 3323 -432
5 -- Jeff Burton 3234 -521
6 +1 Greg Biffle 3159 -596
7 +1 Kevin Harvick 3132 -623
8 -2 Tony Stewart 3110 -645
9 +1 Matt Kenseth 3081 -674
10 -1 Jeff Gordon 3074 -681
11 -- Denny Hamlin 3065 -690
12 -- Clint Bowyer 2989 -766

Any watch today?

[Alohabear]

NASCAR has gotten too safe. Back in the Winston Cup days racing was a fun good old boys sport. Nowdays it's boring and losing it's appeal . Like Duval said in Days of Thunder...Rubbing is racin' , You do take now days and you get called to the Black truck. Losing Dale was a shame, but if he were alive I'm sure he'd have something to say about what's happened to NASCAR.

[Lone Wolf]

The change really happened when all the drivers stopped sporting mustaches and went to all wearing sunglasses instead.

[Alcestis]

Due to the lose of Dale Sr, that alone put NASCAR into safety overload.

But yeah, I agree with what you're saying.

[Alohabear]

I'm not saying that racing is boring, but when the commentators talk about the BIG ONE happening at Daytona or Talledega, it really is a thing of the past.
I really miss when drivers could race to the start/finish line during cautions following their "GENTLEMEN's AGREEMENT in the drivers meeting. I guess because of all the ASSHOLES and HOT TEMPERS that too became a thing of the past.
And while I'm on a rant, what the fuck's with these lame competition yellows? It just slows the action.

[merlin13]

I've got a long rant myself so bear with me:
1) The governing body is so concerned with parody for one reason alone, so that all the sponsors get their time in the corporate spotlight. You want parody, bring back a set up similar to the old IROC series. Then you could atleast rotate car manufacturers. Until then shut the fuck up about parody. If a Chevy, Ford, Dodge, or Toyota is a piece of shit that year then so be it and better luck next year.
2) Quit your crying about Toyota is given an advantage. They, as a manufacturer, are working harder then the American brands. Refer back to an earlier post of mine ( 2 days ago).
3) All the superspeedway races suck, period. They have governed the HP to the point you might as well have 43 Fiats racing. I would rather watch a road course on tv then be at Daytona, Talledega, etc. It just not good racing anymore.
4) Do away with the COT. The cars look all alike with thew exception of headlight and taillight decals. Does anyone remember the way the grill on the Olds used wrap to the hood ? They were the good old days with the good old boys.

[The Dude]

* parity

[merlin13]

However it is spelled means just one thing, corporate America will get richer irregardless of the entertainment value. The only way to change it is to not watch it. Am I on my soapbox ? You damn Skippy! Will it do any good ? Probably not. Too many folks tune in to watch too many left turns and get sucked up into advertising strategies to even realize they been had. If the majority would wake up and see Dale is dead and not coming back then maybe we as fans could get our moneys worth.

[}{arlequin]

nascar lulz.

http://www.jokeroo.com/funnyvideos/nascars_winning_strategy.html

[Alcestis]

Sylvania 300 Starting Grid (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2008/27/data/lineup.html)

RAIN OUT Position Based on Owner Points

Sunday, September 14 @ New Hampshire Motor Speedway ABC 1:00 p.m EST

[Hanover Fist]

Huge brawl going on in the pits in the truck race right now.
Between Todd Bodine and David Starr and their teams.

[Alcestis]

Sylvania 300 Results (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2008/27/data/results_official.html)

Offical "Sprint" Standings (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2008/data/standings_official.html)

1 +1 Carl Edwards new Leader
2 +1 Jimmie Johnson 5220 Leader
3 +6 Greg Biffle 5190 -30
4 -- Dale Earnhardt Jr. -50
5 +2 Jeff Burton 5170 -50
6 -- Denny Hamlin 5148 -72
7 +1 Tony Stewart 5147 -73
8 -7 Kyle Busch 5146 -74 27 (dropped seven places, ftw)
9 -4 Clint Bowyer 5137 -83
10 +1 Kevin Harvick 5134 -86
11 -1 Jeff Gordon 5121 -99
12 -- Matt Kenseth 5043 -177

[Kilgore]

How come race fans never have any love for Biffle?

[Alohabear]

How come race fans never have any love for Biffle?Because he looks like Nicholas Cage.:D I never really cared for him because to me, he's never really been a constant enough racer.

[Alcestis]

How come race fans never have any love for Biffle?

My list is much too long...but this was Jimmie Johnson race, and suddenly you have Biffle (one fulgy dude, btw) just coming out of nowhere for the win. The commentators cracked me up, "hey, where'd he come from?"

[eleveneighteen]

How come race fans never have any love for Biffle?

Biffle's a great driver. Good to see him get a win. @*#% the Hendrick guys.

[Alcestis]

Huge brawl going on in the pits in the truck race right now.
Between Todd Bodine and David Starr and their teams.

I was re watching some youtube coverage on, they need this with the Sprint Cup Series...crap cracks me up.

9dormHleXYA

Oh, and not surprisingly...

www.nascar.com (http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/headlines/truck/09/17/tbodine.dstarr.dreutimann.crew.penalties/index.html)

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- NASCAR announced Wednesday the No. 30, No. 11 and No. 9 teams that compete in the NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series have been penalized due to their involvement in a post-race altercation on pit road at New Hampshire Motor Speedway following Saturday's race.

Those penalized violated Sections 12-4-A (actions detrimental to stock-car racing) and 12-4-F (team members involved in an altercation with another competitor on pit road after the race had concluded).

Three crew members have been suspended from the next Craftsman Truck Series event and suspended from NASCAR until Sept. 24,...

[Erased]

http://i34.tinypic.com/2wexh75.jpg

[Alcestis]

LOL!!

*snap*

[Tar Heel]

Just got my tickets for Martinsville. 15th row on the start/finish line.

[007]

I was a huge fan of Kyle when he was with HMS but now, for some reason I hate him. I guess it's cause I hate TOYOTA and he is winning in one. I wish HMS should have booted Mears instead of Busch. Gordon, Johnson, Earnhart, Busch.

[Alcestis]

Just got my tickets for Martinsville. 15th row on the start/finish line.

MY FAVORITE TRACK!! le sigh

post pictures.... :)

[Alcestis]

Camping World RV 400 Starting Grid (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2008/28/data/lineup.html)

Tomorrow - Sunday, September 21st @ Dover International Speedway ABC 1:00 p.m EST

Live LEADERBOARD (http://www.nascar.com/races/leaderboard/cup/race/)

[The Dude]

where the hell has craig biffle come from?

[Alcestis]

where the hell has craig biffle come from?

Luck?


Camping World RV 400 Results (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2008/28/data/results_unofficial.html)

LIVE Sprinit Cup Standings (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/live_points_standings.html)

1 -- #99 Carl Edwards -
2 -- #48 Jimmie Johnson -10
3 -- #16 Greg Biffle Ford -10
4 +1 #31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet -82
5 +5 #29 Kevin Harvick -101
6 +3 #07 Clint Bowyer -106
7 -- #20 Tony Stewart -113
8 +3 #24 Jeff Gordon -118
9 -5 #88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. -129
10 +2 #17 Matt Kenseth -167
11 -5 #11 Denny Hamlin -193
12 -4 #18 Kyle Busch -210 DNF

[eleveneighteen]

Greg Biffle is a Roush Driver, their cars have been good all year. He's been good, just not one of the superstars.

[007]

Best part of the race was that 2 of the 3 JGR cars had bad days.

[eleveneighteen]

Greg Biffle is a Roush Driver, their cars have been good all year. He's been good, just not one of the superstars.

Roush Fenway had a 1-2-3 sweep yesterday

[eleveneighteen]

Biffle won last year at Kansas, could he go 3 in a row?

[eleveneighteen]

Biffle goes for 3 in a row today.

BUT watch for Tony Stewart. I say he takes the win at Kansas.

[Alcestis]

http://modmycomments.com/x/celeb-quotes/ricky-bobby-piss-excellence.jpg

2009 Sprint Cup Series schedule

http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/cup/schedule

[eleveneighteen]

David Stremme in the 12 car grabs a Daytona 500 repeat win for Penske (prediction)

[JustinCase424]

Brian Vickers, a very underrated restrictor plate racer, is gonna win Daytona this year

[Alcestis]

UPDATED: 2009 Season

Sprint Cup Series Drive Table (http://www.nascar.com/drivers/list/cup/dps/)

Also..

Daytona (Sprint Series) Line-Up (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/1/data/lineup.html) [2:00pm EST - FOX] Rain is in the forecast.

[Jericho]

Poor Lynn. Trying to keep this thread going. Pull the plug, honey. It's suffered enough

[Alcestis]

Poor Lynn. Trying to keep this thread going. Pull the plug, honey. It's suffered enough

NO

Now drop and give me 50!

[eleveneighteen]

Kenseth had a bad season last year, now gets back the spotter from his championship run. Looks like it's already making a difference.

[Rover]

Because his spotter made it rain.

[}{arlequin]

i hate how they stop racing b/c it's wet. it's gonna be slippery. yeah, so what? everyone goes slower and it's still a race. now with more skill.


fucking lame.

[Hanover Fist]

I almost hope GM declares bankruptcy tomorrow to see what happens to Nascar

[Rover]

I almost hope GM declares bankruptcy tomorrow to see what happens to NascarThey crawl back to R.J. Reynolds. They can't, but I bet they'd like to.

[eleveneighteen]

Fuck's sake, of course they would like to... most teams are in serious need of more sponsor money, and are not funded through the season.

[Alcestis]

Standings as of Daytona (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/standings_official.html) Race 1 of 36


http://i2.cdn.turner.com/nascar/2009/news/opinion/02/16/cross.words.daytona/kyle.busch.T1.665.jpg

I love seeing the 18 looking like an accordion.

Now that pile up was damn interesting gents, lets discuss.

[RockninPA]

Do you mean between Vickers and Dale Jr?

[Alcestis]

Auto Club 500/Fontana Line-Up (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/2/data/lineup.html) [5 p.m. EST Sunday - FOX]

[Alcestis]

Results - Auto Club 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/2/data/results_unofficial.html)

Standings - Auto Club 500 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/standings_unofficial.html) Race 2 of 36

[Le Goat]

I watched about 90 mins of this before the Oscars popped up. I take it it rained out?

[Alcestis]

I watched about 90 mins of this before the Oscars popped up. I take it it rained out?


Actually no, it was a complete run. 3 cautions for "rain", which in reality was fog/overcast settling in.

[Limp]

Look they're making a left tuuuurn![/Sweet Daddy D]

[Tar Heel]

Way to go Jr. Great start to 2009.

[eleveneighteen]

Kenseth gets the win again - validates that Daytona was not a fluke.

[The Dude]

only a day late and a dollar short

[Duncndisorderly]

NASCAR?? is this like F1 for queers or something?

[The Dude]

judging by that goatee, this is right up your alley

[Hanover Fist]

Something that has baffled me lately is that I drive by MIS just about 3 times a week. (It's roughly 18 miles from my house). Despite the fact that neither race sold out last year, not even close in the August race as there were vast sections of the stands that were less than full.
They are building tons of new seating in turn 1. I'll have to get some pics when I go by again. What the hell are they thinking, they had a hard time giving away tickets last year when the economy wasn't nearly as bad as it is now.

The section we sat in last year for the truck race was almost entirely Canadians, so maybe they are counting on a bigger Canuck contingent coming south for the race.

[Alcestis]

Shelby 427/Las Vegas Line-Up (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/3/data/lineup.html) [3:30pm EST Sunday - FOX]

[eleveneighteen]

Something that has baffled me lately is that I drive by MIS just about 3 times a week. (It's roughly 18 miles from my house). Despite the fact that neither race sold out last year, not even close in the August race as there were vast sections of the stands that were less than full.
They are building tons of new seating in turn 1. I'll have to get some pics when I go by again. What the hell are they thinking, they had a hard time giving away tickets last year when the economy wasn't nearly as bad as it is now.

The section we sat in last year for the truck race was almost entirely Canadians, so maybe they are counting on a bigger Canuck contingent coming south for the race.

This is Phase III of a plan that was launched in 2006. When it's completed the entire plan will have cost around $20 million with all three phases.

Here's a link to all sorts of MIS track info.

http://www.jayski.com/pages/tracks/michigan.htm

[Alcestis]

Can't believe I'm typing this, but kudos to Ky. Busch for his win. Made the records.

Shelby 427/Las Vegas - Results (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/3/data/results_unofficial.html)


1 1 18 Kyle Busch
2 2 33 Clint Bowyer
3 3 31 Jeff Burton
4 4 00 David Reutimann
5 5 96 Bobby Labonte
6 6 24 Jeff Gordon
7 7 16 Greg Biffle
8 8 83 Brian Vickers
9 9 26 Jamie McMurray
10 10 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr.

^Have faith Tar Heel...it will happen.

Shelby 427/Las Vegas (http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/cup/standings) Race 3 of 36

[Tar Heel]

Yeah. Jr fought hard for that top 10 finish.



Kyle Busch is a faggot.

[Lone Wolf]

I can barely even watch Nascar anymore. The worst thing that ever happened to them was that they got big. Now that popularity is waning, they don't know what to do.

[Alcestis]

Yeah. Jr fought hard for that top 10 finish.

Kyle Busch is a faggot.

haha...

If they didn't have those last few cautions, I do believe David Reutimann (00) could have won. His car was pulling off faster times then the 18 car.

Jr needs to be watch himself with these dumbass penalites he keeps getting.

[zemaniak]

Gotta feel for Carl though, he probably was going insane at merry go round speed and was aching to grab a few spots on the last restart, then BAM !

Weird about all those engine failures

[Alcestis]

Gotta feel for Carl though, he probably was going insane at merry go round speed and was aching to grab a few spots on the last restart, then BAM !

Weird about all those engine failures

Last season the tires, now the engines. If its not one thing its another.

Must keep us on our toes.

[fastjohnnybuell]

NASCAR?? is this like F1 for queers or something?


That's what Max Papis said.

[fastjohnnybuell]

I can barely even watch Nascar anymore. The worst thing that ever happened to them was that they got big. Now that popularity is waning, they don't know what to do.

Too many rules now....it was better when they could fight, swear and kill themselves without fancy flaps, safer barriers and head/neck protection.

[Alcestis]

Kobalt Tools 500/Atlanta (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/4/data/lineup.html) [1:30pm EST FOX - Sunday]

[Alcestis]

Kobalt Tools 500 - Results (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/4/data/results_unofficial.html)

1 2 2 Kurt Busch
2 16 24 Jeff Gordon
3 29 99 Carl Edwards
4 10 29 Kevin Harvick
5 17 83 Brian Vickers
6 21 33 Clint Bowyer
7 13 9 Kasey Kahne
8 11 14 Tony Stewart
9 7 48 Jimmie Johnson
10 23 1 Martin Truex Jr.
11 20 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr.

Kobalt Tools 500 - Standings (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/standings_unofficial.html) Race 4 of 36

[VoxAngelikus]

Marty Truex should get kidney stones more often. He raced pretty damn well yesterday. NJ Represent!!!

[zemaniak]

Dodge should stay on the threat of bankrupcy, makes em build somepretty sweet engines!


Seriously though, what the hech did they do to them? Dodges were going NOWHERE last year


on another note, heart goes out to my fave Carl, raced his heart out but pit stops (crew?) killed him all day, I found myself swearing at the screen each time

[eleveneighteen]

Bristol today. Mark Martin wins from the pole? Doubt it. Harvick today.

[The Dude]

Starting Grid POSDRIVERCARMANUFACTURERSPEED
1Mark Martin (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=68&year=2009)5Chevrolet125.773 mph
2Ryan Newman (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=213&year=2009)39Chevrolet125.740 mph
3Jimmie Johnson (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=227&year=2009)48Chevrolet125.453 mph
4Greg Biffle (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=221&year=2009)16Ford125.289 mph
5Kasey Kahne (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=429&year=2009)9Dodge124.954 mph
6David Reutimann (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=449&year=2009)00Toyota124.808 mph
7Reed Sorenson (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=755&year=2009)43Dodge124.541 mph
8Dave Blaney (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=514&year=2009)66Toyota124.508 mph
9Jamie McMurray (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=223&year=2009)26Ford124.492 mph
10Jeff Gordon (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=67&year=2009)24Chevrolet124.267 mph
11Scott Speed (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=784&year=2009)82Toyota124.194 mph
12Juan Pablo Montoya (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=336&year=2009)42Chevrolet124.130 mph
13Marcos Ambrose (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=803&year=2009)47Toyota124.130 mph
14David Gilliland (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=839&year=2009)71Chevrolet123.945 mph
15Tony Stewart (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=149&year=2009)14Chevrolet123.897 mph
16Todd Bodine (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=113&year=2009)64Toyota123.698 mph
17Travis Kvapil (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=389&year=2009)28Ford123.658 mph
18Aric Almirola (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=740&year=2009)8Chevrolet123.650 mph
19Kyle Busch (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=580&year=2009)18Toyota123.626 mph
20Martin Truex Jr. (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=416&year=2009)1Chevrolet123.610 mph
21Michael Waltrip (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=82&year=2009)55Toyota123.562 mph
22Elliott Sadler (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=137&year=2009)19Dodge123.539 mph
23Joey Logano (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=4319&year=2009)20Toyota123.523 mph
24Denny Hamlin (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=747&year=2009)11Toyota123.491 mph
25Sam Hornish Jr. (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=607&year=2009)77Dodge123.427 mph
26A.J. Allmendinger (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=805&year=2009)44Dodge123.427 mph
27Brian Vickers (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=390&year=2009)83Toyota123.372 mph
28Joe Nemechek (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=97&year=2009)87Toyota123.324 mph
29David Stremme (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=728&year=2009)12Dodge123.118 mph
30Kevin Harvick (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=225&year=2009)29Chevrolet123.071 mph
31Clint Bowyer (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=712&year=2009)33Chevrolet123.032 mph
32Kurt Busch (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=195&year=2009)2Dodge123.024 mph
33Matt Kenseth (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=143&year=2009)17Ford122.827 mph
34Dale Earnhardt Jr. (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=150&year=2009)88Chevrolet122.725 mph
35Robby Gordon (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=102&year=2009)7Toyota122.709 mph
36Bobby Labonte (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=64&year=2009)96Ford122.654 mph
37Casey Mears (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=248&year=2009)07Chevrolet122.404 mph
38Carl Edwards (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=460&year=2009)99Ford122.349 mph
39John Andretti (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=89&year=2009)34Chevrolet122.248 mph
40Jeff Burton (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=70&year=2009)31Chevrolet121.952 mph
41David Ragan (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=649&year=2009)6Ford121.914 mph
42Paul Menard (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=575&year=2009)98Ford121.898 mph
43Sterling Marlin (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/driver?seriesId=2&driverId=92&year=2009)09Dodge123.190 mph

[The Dude]

Bush Younger takes Bristol

Complete results (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/raceresults?raceId=200903220031&seriesId=2)

Current Standings (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/standings_unofficial.html)

[Alcestis]

Goody's Fast Pain Relief 500/Martinsville Line-up (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/6/data/lineup.html)

[1:30pm EST Sunday - FOX]


RAIN OUT Position Based on Owner Points

[zemaniak]

I hate JJ. No, I really do. He's such a boring sod that I can,t even appreciate the power move he made yesterday, which btw was the only bright spot to another otherwide boring race.

(And Hendrick is the evil empire)


WTF happened with Carl in the pits again ? that fucked up his whole race, goddamnit!

[The Dude]

i dunno, i thought hamlin's dive on the restart was pretty nice

[zemaniak]

you`re right. See? JJ is such a fun-fucker that he made me totally forget that other fun part

[The Dude]

i must say though, i've been getting into nascar for the last couple of years, and i'm already starting to lose interest. Its definitely gotten a lot more boring for me. I like it when i can flip back and forth (like yesterday while the basketball was going on) but i've found that i can't leave it on the tv for an extended period of time anymore.

[zemaniak]

I think the whole clean air/COT combo isn,t working out too well. Makes most races a 2 horse affair with others in the back .
I just record it now, otherwise the GF goes nuts cause it lasts like 6 hours. added bonus that if the race sucks/has cautions i can FF through it all. Cuts the race down to about 2 hours usually.

Hopefully Texas will be fun. If Carl doesn,t dominate there, does not bode well for him (or fords) for 2009

[Alcestis]

Martinsville - Results (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/6/data/results_unofficial.html)

1 9 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet
2 8 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota
3 7 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet
4 1 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet
5 3 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet
6 27 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet
7 31 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet
8 19 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet
9 16 44 A.J. Allmendinger Dodge
10 28 26 Jamie McMurray Ford

I hate JJ. No, I really do. He's such a boring sod that I can,t even appreciate the power move he made yesterday, which btw was the only bright spot to another otherwide boring race.

(And Hendrick is the evil empire)

That move was awesome, and knowing JJ he was just waiting. I yelled. And to refresh your memory...

MTG2KcSHcWA

Martinsville - Standings (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/standings_unofficial.html)

1 -- Jeff Gordon 959 Leader
2 +1 Clint Bowyer 870 -89
3 -1 Kurt Busch 827 -132
4 +5 Jimmie Johnson 817 -142
5 +3 Denny Hamlin 811 -148
6 -2 Kyle Busch 800 -159
7 -- Tony Stewart 798 -161
8 -3 Carl Edwards 750 -209
9 -3 Kasey Kahne 745 -214
10 +2 Kevin Harvick 714 -245
11 -- David Reutimann 710 -249
12 -2 Matt Kenseth 704 -255
16 +3 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 660 -299

[zemaniak]

had it been anyone else, I`d have been bowing my head in admiration.

Can,t explain why, really

[Alcestis]

I had a laugh, when they caught Gordon bitching about Stewart hitting his tail-end around the track, and I have to honestly say I knew my boy wasn't going to get up their and I wanted Stewart to kick ass.

[eleveneighteen]

Stewart is high in the standings considering just starting his own new team. That MF'er can drive anything.

[zemaniak]

Denny`s ass must still feel sore, JJ got in there no lube

Anybody`s guess on Texas though, what with Roush being weak so far. Would love for Carl to get his first win but I fear for the engine, and the pit crew seems even worse than last year, I cringe at every caution cause 50% of the time he`s losing 2+ spots.

My 2nd fave is Kyle Busch, love his all-out style, so hopefully one of those two (both?) will dominate 09, need consistency though. wins aren`t awarded enough in present point system.

[zemaniak]

Stewart is high in the standings considering just starting his own new team. That MF'er can drive anything.
Considering his cars are Hendrick but in name only, with respect I believe the car is important. NASCAR is beginning to resemble F1 in that respect. We`ve seen different cars dominate on different tracks, depending on whether engine, brakes or other is important.

[Limp]

Since I don't frequent this thread very often I might look like an ass for asking a question that has been discussed.... but ohh well.

If GM fails as a company... what do you think it will it do to Nascar?

[The Dude]

I don't really think it will do much of anything. The difference between NASCAR and F1 really is huge in that respect. Manufacturers are much more heavily involved in F1, its their showcase. BMW, Ferrari, Mercedes (and McLaren), Toyota, Renault all have their own teams. Their are only a few teams in F1 that aren't directly tied to a manufacturer in name, if not in actuallity.

The Hendrick/Penske/Roush-Fenway/Ganassi of NASCAR are the BMW/Ferrari/Mercedes/etc of F1.

Especially with the COT, really the only differences in cars in NASCAR now is in the engines and setups. GM would literally have to close its doors for there to be any real impact on NASCAR because teams would still certainly be able to buy chevy engines if the company failed but was still operating. If GM actually stopped making cars/engines, then the chevy teams would just go to another manufacturer. I think you'd see a year of slightly more parity than usual, but in the end, the teams with the biggest budgets (and thus biggest budget for R&D) (read: HMS) will always dominate.

[Alcestis]

I don't really think it will do much of anything. The difference between NASCAR and F1 really is huge in that respect. Manufacturers are much more heavily involved in F1, its their showcase. BMW, Ferrari, Mercedes (and McLaren), Toyota, Renault all have their own teams. Their are only a few teams in F1 that aren't directly tied to a manufacturer in name, if not in actuallity.

The Hendrick/Penske/Roush-Fenway/Ganassi of NASCAR are the BMW/Ferrari/Mercedes/etc of F1.

Especially with the COT, really the only differences in cars in NASCAR now is in the engines and setups. GM would literally have to close its doors for there to be any real impact on NASCAR because teams would still certainly be able to buy chevy engines if the company failed but was still operating. If GM actually stopped making cars/engines, then the chevy teams would just go to another manufacturer. I think you'd see a year of slightly more parity than usual, but in the end, the teams with the biggest budgets (and thus biggest budget for R&D) (read: HMS) will always dominate.

And we will continue to watch smaller teams merge with larger, financially stable teams.

[The Dude]

That's a great point. One thing we've seen over the last 5 years is essentially the extinction of the smaller 1 car teams, as to be able to even have a chance to finish top 10, you need the resources of the big boys

[The Dude]

actually, its not even just the smaller 1-car teams, its teams like Roush, Yates, DEI, etc.

[Alcestis]

actually, its not even just the smaller 1-car teams, its teams like Roush, Yates, DEI, etc.

Hell, Petty Motorsports is no more. Technically that team is owned by Boston Ventures and they for the most part keep Richard Petty around for the teams sakes. Hell Kyle, refuses to drive for them.

[zemaniak]

actually, its not even just the smaller 1-car teams, its teams like Roush, Yates, DEI, etc.

Roush? ROUSH? LIES !!! ALL LIES !

[The Dude]

I don't get it

[zemaniak]

just what it says, I believe Roush to be one of the big boys and thus not being a vicTIM but a vicTOR within this trend.

That being said, we just might see a pendulum swing like in F1, the 1-2 punch of newcomer Brawn in Australia was quite the refreshing change of pace!

[eleveneighteen]

Since I don't frequent this thread very often I might look like an ass for asking a question that has been discussed.... but ohh well.

If GM fails as a company... what do you think it will it do to Nascar?

Article from Jayski (NASCAR news and rumors website) says...

GM Head Steps Down, could it effect NASCAR? George Richard "Rick" Wagoner Jr. Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of General Motors resigned as Chairman and CEO at General Motors on March 29, 2009, at the request of the White House. During Wagoner's tenure as CEO of General Motors, the market capitalization of GM has gone down by more than 90%. In 2008 Wagoner came under renewed pressure as GM sought financial support from the U.S. government in an attempt to avoid bankruptcy. Under Wagoner's leadership, GM suffered more than $73 billion in losses.(AP)
AND: Despite just ousting General Motors' chief executive, President Barack Obama Monday insisted "The United States government has no interest in running GM." However the abrupt dismissal of Rick Wagoner, the well-respected executive (Duke, class of '75) who has run GM for the past eight years, has shocked not only Detroit but the rest of the car market, including NASCAR's North Carolina base. Yet during Wagoner's run, GM stock fell from $60 a share to $1.27 a few weeks ago, and Obama says new leadership at GM is needed. During a 20-minute statement Monday in Washington, Obama laid out his game plan for reviving the American car industry. And it is very clear that Obama has agendas for both GM and Chrysler, the two car makers on the hotseat (Ford and Toyota have avoided the government's spotlight), and Monday he pushed repeated for "cleaner" cars out of Detroit. That could well make NASCAR men squirm, because these race cars are certainly not visibly cutting edge at all – 358 cubic inch engines with carburetors, five or six mpg. It took NASCAR nearly 30 years even to make the switch to unleaded gasoline. Obama himself raised the word "bankruptcy," and appeared to be bracing the American people for a GM bankruptcy – by trying to explain what he envisioned it would be: "A tool we can use, even as workers stay on the job building cars."(much more at mikemulhern.net and more info at the Detroit Free Press), No word how any of this could effect NASCAR, there are rumors that Chevy/General Motors could leave NASCAR.(3-31-2009) Comment here

http://www.jayski.com/cupnews.htm#news-gm

[The Dude]

I really don't think that article has anything to do with NASCAR

[eleveneighteen]

I Read your points from above, and can see why you don't feel the article has much to do with NASCAR.

It's relevent, however, as factory-backed teams receive a lot of support financialy and otherwise toward engine technology, engineering, building, and testing. Chevy makes a tremendous investment in its teams.

It would be a real setback for the Chevy teams if they had to switch to Ford or Toyota, both financially and from a competitive standpoint.

Sure the article cites concerns rather than actual NASCAR developments. But believe me, it's about NASCAR and it's heavy on the minds of drivers and team owners.

[Alcestis]

(Tony) Stewart warned that the consequences would be harsh for NASCAR if one or more manufacturer isn't able to survive the current economic crisis.

"The fallout if we lose any of these manufacturers, it's going to be tremendous," Stewart said. "And I think it's at the stage now where we can't rely on our government to do it all for us. We have to take an active role ourselves -- and I'm not saying as drivers or as NASCAR. I'm saying as a whole country together. We've got to get off of our wallets and get back to being Americans again and living our lives the way we're used to.

"I know that's easier said than done. Every time you turn on the news, you're petrified. I sit there and watch the news and I beg to turn the channel to something else, to where I'm not so depressed. I know it's partially reality, but at the same time, the only way to get through it is to resume doing what we do again."

nascar.com (http://www.nascar.com/2009/news/headlines/cup/03/06/chevy.drivers.gm/1.html)

[The Dude]

I Read your points from above, and can see why you don't feel the article has much to do with NASCAR.

It's relevent, however, as factory-backed teams receive a lot of support financialy and otherwise toward engine technology, engineering, building, and testing. Chevy makes a tremendous investment in its teams.

It would be a real setback for the Chevy teams if they had to switch to Ford or Toyota, both financially and from a competitive standpoint.

Sure the article cites concerns rather than actual NASCAR developments. But believe me, it's about NASCAR and it's heavy on the minds of drivers and team owners.

nascar.com (http://www.nascar.com/2009/news/headlines/cup/03/06/chevy.drivers.gm/1.html)

Well, after reading around, I can certainly see more of the issue. I think ultimately that if NASCAR did lose a manufacturer, it would hurt NASCAR as a company and the race tracks more than it would specific teams financially.

I sure hope tony stewart knows more about things than i do. I'll have to take his word for it. I just think that in terms of where the manufacturers are going to look to cut cost, that investments in Nascar will be low on the totem pole

[Alcestis]

Samsung 500/Texas - Lineup (http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/cup/startingGrid?gameId=20090405032)

1 00 David Reutimann Toyota 190.516 Leader
2 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet 190.194
3 17 Matt Kenseth Ford 189.954
4 6 David Ragan Ford 189.934
5 98 Paul Menard Ford 189.907
6 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge 189.900
7 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet 189.807
8 18 Kyle Busch Toyota 189.427
9 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet 189.421
10 20 Joey Logano* Toyota 189.268
20 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet 188.745

*rookie

[Alcestis]

LIVE Leaderboard (http://www.nascar.com/races/leaderboard/cup/race/)

LIVE Point Standings (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/live_points_standings.html)

[zemaniak]

I really hope to hear something shake up at Roush with the 99 team this week. Really NO excuse to AGAIN have a pit stop blow Carl's chances when he did AGAIN his part to get up the field and put his car in position to win. I mean, how fucking hard is it to practice these god damn stops in between races?

EDIT: Well, just read that 2 members (tire changers !) of the pit crew are injury replacements. It doesn't excuse it but I guess it explains it...

[Alcestis]

Its time for Eury Jr to go bye-bye. With that...

Samsung 500/Texas - Results (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/7/data/results_unofficial.html)

1 - 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet
2 - 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet
3 - 16 Greg Biffle Ford
4 - 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet
5 - 17 Matt Kenseth Ford
6 - 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet
7 - 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet
8 - 2 Kurt Busch Dodge
9 - 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet
10 - 99 Carl Edwards Ford
20 - 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet

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Samsung 500/Texas - Standings (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/standings_unofficial.html) Race 7 of 36

1 -- Jeff Gordon 1154 Leader
2 +2 Jimmie Johnson 992 -162
3 -- Kurt Busch 974 -180
4 -2 Clint Bowyer 967 -187
5 +2 Tony Stewart 963 -191
6 -1 Denny Hamlin 938 -216
7 -1 Kyle Busch 914 -240
8 -- Carl Edwards 889 -265
9 +3 Matt Kenseth 864 -290
10 -1 Kasey Kahne 851 -303
11 -- David Reutimann 845 -309
12 +1 Jeff Burton 835 -319
^In The Chase^
16 -- Dale Earnhardt Jr. 768 -386

[Alcestis]

No race this Sunday, next up...

Subway Fresh Fit 500/Phoenix - Saturday, April 18, 2009 1:00PM/EST - FOX

[Alcestis]

Subway Fresh Fit 500/Phoenix - Results (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/8/data/results_unofficial.html)

1 1 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet
2 6 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet
3 3 2 Kurt Busch Dodge
4 10 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet
5 13 16 Greg Biffle Ford
6 12 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota
7 26 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet
8 8 00 David Reutimann Toyota
9 35 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge
10 11 99 Carl Edwards Ford
11 28 26 Jamie McMurray Ford
31 15 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet

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Subway Fresh Fit 500 - Standings (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/standings_unofficial.html) Race 8 of 36

1 -- Jeff Gordon 1242 Leader
2 -- Jimmie Johnson 1157 -85
3 -- Kurt Busch 1144 -98 8
4 +1 Tony Stewart 1138 -104
5 +1 Denny Hamlin 1088 -154
6 -2 Clint Bowyer 1052 -190
7 -- Kyle Busch 1026 -216
8 -- Carl Edwards 1023 -219
9 +2 David Reutimann 992 -250
10 -- Kasey Kahne 975 -267
11 +1 Jeff Burton 953 -289
12 -3 Matt Kenseth 946 -296
19 -3 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 843

[Alcestis]

LINK (http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/9481902/Earnhardt,-Mears-get-probation-for-skirmish?MSNHPHMA)

CONCORD, N.C. (AP) - Dale Earnhardt Jr. and Casey Mears were penalized Tuesday for intentionally bumping cars after the race at Phoenix International Raceway.

NASCAR put both drivers on probation for the next six races, but neither was fined or lost any points. It was an about-face from Saturday night, when officials said they would not punish the drivers for their post-race skirmish.

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[Alcestis]

Aaron's 449/TALLADEGA Line-up (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/9/data/lineup.html)

[}{arlequin]

it's such a let down to start watching this after an f1 race...


and while i'm at it, they should really get rid of the word 'stock' in association w/ this sport. it's insulting to one's intelligence.

[Alcestis]

^Stop watching, your intelligence won't be so bruised. :)

Our points leader (Jeff Gordon - 24) out in the 7th lap. (The Big One part 1)
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edit:
Around lap 147 - The Big One part 2

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[Hanover Fist]

That was certainly a crazy finish, good thing that catch fence held or there would have been about 50 dead fans.

[Alcestis]

Indeed, Hanover! Watching that in slow-motion was scary.

Innnsannnneee finish!

Aaron's 499/Talladega - "unofficial" Results (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/9/data/results_unofficial.html)

1 9 09 Brad Keselowski Chevrolet
2 11 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet
3 25 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet
4 34 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota
5 8 82 Scott Speed * Toyota
6 28 2 Kurt Busch Dodge
7 2 16 Greg Biffle Ford
8 30 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Re
9 22 20 Joey Logano * Toyota
10 20 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet
*rookie


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Aaron's 499/Talladega - "unofficial" Standings (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/standings_unofficial.html) Race 9 of 36

1 +2 Kurt Busch 1299 Leader
2 -1 Jeff Gordon 1294 -5
3 -1 Jimmie Johnson 1235 -64
4 -- Tony Stewart 1232 -67
5 -- Denny Hamlin 1193 -106
6 +1 Kyle Busch 1124 -175
7 +1 Carl Edwards 1119 -180
8 -2 Clint Bowyer 1098 -201
9 +2 Jeff Burton 1092 -207
10 +4 Greg Biffle 1081 -218
11 -2 David Reutimann 1077 -222
12 -- Matt Kenseth 1063
15 +4 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 1018 -281

[Hanover Fist]

So 7 people were injured by flying debris when Carl Edwards car flew up into the catch fence.
None were serious, the worst one was a broken jaw, the rest were cuts and bruises. If you had seen the wreck and the speed at which his car flew into the fence and the amount of buckle and give the fence had while not failing, it almost seems like a miracle that it functioned as designed. Pretty amazing that Carl got out of his car and ran on foot to the finish line after a wreck like that as well.

[Rover]

Restrictor plate races do nothing but hurt people. I can't remember who said it, maybe it was Edwards, but NASCAR won't fix anything until someone dies.

The ironic thing of course is that restrictor plates are supposed to save lives. Which they don't, especially when they launch cars into the stands. Why NASCAR continues to believe that bunching all the cars into huge packs is safer than driving around the course at 210mph+, I don't understand.

I'm glad that fence held. Watching that live, I thought the car was going to clear the fence or clip the top of it and flip over.

[Alcestis]

Restrictor plate races do nothing but hurt people. I can't remember who said it, maybe it was Edwards, but NASCAR won't fix anything until someone dies.

The ironic thing of course is that restrictor plates are supposed to save lives. Which they don't, especially when they launch cars into the stands. Why NASCAR continues to believe that bunching all the cars into huge packs is safer than driving around the course at 210mph+, I don't understand.

I'm glad that fence held. Watching that live, I thought the car was going to clear the fence or clip the top of it and flip over.

Junior said it the best post-race... "The media celebrated it, the [television] networks celebrated it, calling it 'the Big One,' just trying to attract attention and to bring people's attention to the race."

This sensationalism of such a crash, which will be re-shown NEXT week is what brings in the dollars.

[eleveneighteen]

Junior said it the best post-race... "The media celebrated it, the [television] networks celebrated it, calling it 'the Big One,' just trying to attract attention and to bring people's attention to the race."

This sensationalism of such a crash, which will be re-shown NEXT week is what brings in the dollars.

They know what brings the ratings -- and the money. Considering no fatalities, NASCAR is loving this.

It was brutal and it's a miracle he didn't get crushed in his roll cage, and amazing nothing worse than a broken jaw in the stands.

[zemaniak]

wow... i was gone this w-e and recorded the race. Just finished watching it.
This isn`t racing, it`s a crash derby, plain and simple. Don`t like it, and neither do the drivers it seems, at least not the front-runners. For the lucky rookie or also-ran, then it represents their only chance at a win.

when you hear NASCAR saying they`re considering adding rules just confirms this form of racing just creates more problems than it solves. And yet they justify by saying they want to make the sport more safe. it reminds me of when I hear of Govt enforcing lower and lower speed limits, up until they start seeing people die from sleeping at the wheel form utter boredom.

Props to Carl for making the best of a bad situation, and running to the finish

[Alcestis]

Russ Friedman 400/Richmond - Lineup (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/10/data/lineup.html) Tomorrow (5/2) 7:00pm EST - FOX

[Alcestis]

Russ Friedman 400/Richmond - Results (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/10/data/results_unofficial.html)

1 14 18 Kyle Busch Toyota
2 16 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet
3 5 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet
4 10 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet
5 7 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet
6 28 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge
7 27 26 Jamie McMurray Ford
8 2 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet
9 41 07 Casey Mears Chevrolet
10 29 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet
11 21 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota <--- WOW
12 17 2 Kurt Busch Dodge
27 25 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet

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Russ Friedman 400/Richmond - Standings (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/standings_unofficial.html)

1 +1 Jeff Gordon 1441 Leader
2 -1 Kurt Busch 1431 -10
3 +1 Tony Stewart 1402 -39
4 +1 Denny Hamlin 1321 -120
5 +1 Kyle Busch 1314 -127 10
6 -3 Jimmie Johnson 1290 -151
7 +2 Jeff Burton 1257 -184
8 -- Clint Bowyer 1212 -229
9 -2 Carl Edwards 1204 -237
10 +3 Ryan Newman 1198 -243
11 -1 Greg Biffle 1193 -248
12 -- Matt Kenseth 1187 -254
18 -3 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 1100

[Alcestis]

Southern 500/DARLINGTON - Tomorrow (5/8) 7:00pm EST - FOX

*still qualifying

EDIT: Line-up (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/11/data/lineup.html)

[Jericho]

meep meep. Vroooooom!

[Alcestis]

Southern 500/Darlington - Results (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/11/data/results_unofficial.html)

1 12 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet <---- kick ass ole man
2 42 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet
3 18 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet
4 3 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet
5 2 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet
6 16 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet
7 31 25 Brad Keselowski Chevrolet
8 11 16 Greg Biffle Ford
9 5 20 Joey Logano * Toyota
10 1 17 Matt Kenseth Ford
11 24 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet
12 6 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet
27 26 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet
*rookie

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Southern 500/Darlington - Standing (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/standings_unofficial.html) Race 11 of 36

1 -- Jeff Gordon 1601 Leader
2 +1 Tony Stewart 1572 -29
3 -1 Kurt Busch 1546 -55
4 +2 Jimmie Johnson 1465 -136
5 -1 Denny Hamlin 1445 -156
6 +1 Jeff Burton 1384 -217
7 -2 Kyle Busch 1380 -221
8 +2 Ryan Newman 1363 -238
9 +2 Greg Biffle 1345 -256
10 +2 Matt Kenseth 1326 -275
11 +4 Mark Martin 1316 -285
12 -3 Carl Edwards 1271 -330
18 -- Dale Earnhardt Jr. 1182 -419

[eleveneighteen]

1 12 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet <---- kick ass ole man

Full time next year

[eleveneighteen]

...yeah, right Mayfield. Looks like you're allergic to the truth.

http://media.scenedaily.com/images/dg0509DAR_540.jpg

Jeremy Mayfield blames mix of prescription, over-the-counter meds for failed drug test

By Jeff Gluck - Associate EditorSaturday, May 09, 2009

DARLINGTON, S.C. – Sprint Cup Series owner/driver Jeremy Mayfield has been suspended by NASCAR for violating its drug policy, along with two other crewmen from different teams, an official announced Saturday prior to the start of the Southern 500.

Mayfield, 39, failed to qualify for the race and was not scheduled to be at Darlington Raceway on Saturday but was on the track Friday.

Front Row Motorsports crewman Tony Martin and Ben Williams, a crew member for Roush Fenway Racing’s No. 16 Nationwide Series team, were also suspended.

Mayfield is the first driver suspended under NASCAR's revamped drug policy that went into effect this season.

“NASCAR has one of the toughest substance abuse policies in all of sports,” NASCAR spokesman Jim Hunter said. “…There’s just no place for substance abuse in our sport.”

In a statement provided by Mayfield's team manager, he stated that a combination of a prescribed medicine and an over-the-counter medicine reacted together and resulted in a positive drug test.

“As both a team owner and a driver in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series, I have immense respect for the enforcement policies NASCAR has in place," Mayfield said. "My doctor and I are working with both [NASCAR consultant] Dr. [David] Black to resolve this matter.”

Mayfield also said he will announce an interim owner and a temporary replacement driver as early as next week.


"Those roles will commence immediately beginning with next week’s Sprint Open and continuing through Charlotte and beyond," Mayfield said.

Hunter said he would not disclose what substances Mayfield and the crewmen were suspended for; he said the failed tests were not alcohol-related.

NASCAR tested the individuals in question last week at Richmond International Raceway under the random testing element of NASCAR’s drug policy and received the confirmation of the failed test at noon Saturday, Hunter said.

Mayfield cannot go through an appeal process, just a reinstatement process. NASCAR typically requires the completion of a drug rehabilitation program before reinstating the suspended person.

NASCAR's policy had been that it could test anywhere at anytime. The policy enacted beginning this year added random tests to each NASCAR race weekend.

Mayfield announced the formation of Mayfield Motorsports just before the start of the season and qualified for the season-opening Daytona 500, but has qualified for just five of the 10 races since then. Mayfield’s season-best finish was 18th at Daytona.

Hunter said Mayfield would be suspended as both a driver and an owner; his team would be permitted to be operated by someone else, but Mayfield would not be allowed to participate.

Mayfield has five victories in 433 Cup starts and 96 top-10 finishes overall. He has failed to qualify for six of the 11 races this year with his best finish at the season-opening Daytona 500.

Mayfield had a crew member, Paul Chodora, suspended by NASCAR after the opening week of the season.

“We as an organization appreciate NASCAR's drug testing policies and policing efforts as it makes the sport stronger overall,” Mayfield said after Chodora’s suspension. “If Paul doesn’t comply with NASCAR’s reinstatement process, then he will no longer be an employee of Mayfield Motorsports.”

http://www.scenedaily.com/news/articles/sprintcupseries/Jeremy_Mayfield_suspended_for_violating_NASCAR_dru g_policy.html

[Alcestis]

Mayfield cannot go through an appeal process, just a reinstatement process. NASCAR typically requires the completion of a drug rehabilitation program before reinstating the suspended person.

Look what that did for Kevin Grubb & Shane Hmiel. Kevin, dead of an apparent suicide (never off the drugs) and Shane (life time ban after failing 3 drugs tests).

Bye Mayfield.

[eleveneighteen]

Look what that did for Kevin Grubb & Shane Hmiel. Kevin, dead of an apparent suicide (never off the drugs) and Shane (life time ban after failing 3 drugs tests).

Bye Mayfield.

Well stated.

[Alcestis]

Sprint Showdown - Line-up (http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/cup/startingGrid?gameId=20090516027)

^ on now SPEED channel

All-Star Race- Line-up (http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/cup/startingGrid?gameId=20090516027)

All-Star Race Format (http://www.nascar.com/news/features/all.star.race/index.html) - Tonight - 7:00pm EST - SPEED ^

[Alcestis]

Sprint Showdown - Results (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/103/data/results_unofficial.html)

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Top 10
1 6 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge
2 28 26 Jamie McMurray Ford
^transferr into the All-Star Race.
3 1 12 David Stremme Dodge
4 11 00 David Reutimann Toyota
5 17 20 Joey Logano * Toyota
^won FAN vote for final spot in the All-Star Race.
6 4 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet
7 8 44 A.J. Allmendinger Dodge
8 5 6 David Ragan Ford
9 30 7 Robby Gordon Toyota
10 12 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota

edit:

All-Star Race

Seg. 1 winner: Jimmie Johnson
Seg. 2 winner: Kyle Busch
Seg. 3 winner: Jeff Gordon
Seg. 4 winner: Tony Stewart [$1 million prize]

All-Star Race - Results (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/105/data/results_unofficial.html)

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1 15 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet
2 3 17 Matt Kenseth Ford
3 2 2 Kurt Busch Dodge
4 18 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota
5 14 99 Carl Edwards Ford
6 5 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet
7 13 18 Kyle Busch Toyota
8 21 20 Joey Logano * Toyota
9 20 26 Jamie McMurray Ford
10 4 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet
11 7 96 Bobby Labonte Ford
12 17 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet
13 1 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet
14 8 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge
15 9 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet
16 19 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge
17 10 09 Brad Keselowski Chevrolet
18 12 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet
19 6 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet
20 16 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet
21 11 16 Greg Biffle Ford
*rookie

[UNC]

Biggest loser?

Little E or Michael Waltrip?

Discuss.

[Alcestis]

Coca-Cola 600/Lowes Motor Speedway - Lineup (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/12/data/lineup.html) Sunday (5/24) - 5:00pm EST - FOX

[Rover]

Wait. Start. Stop. Wait. Start. Stop. Wait. Start. Stop. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.

Nascar must have wanted to make sure that FOX got in every commercial 18 times. Call the race at the end of your 6 hour broadcasting block? Oh, you clever money generating machine.

[Alcestis]

Must admit, watch Reutimann pace/praying for more rain was amusing.

Coca-Cola 600 - "unoffical" Results (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/12/data/results_unofficial.html)

1 21 00 David Reutimann Toyota
2 1 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet
3 37 7 Robby Gordon Toyota
4 19 99 Carl Edwards Ford
5 8 83 Brian Vickers Toyota
6 2 18 Kyle Busch Toyota
7 6 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge
8 9 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet
9 14 20 Joey Logano * Toyota
10 30 17 Matt Kenseth Ford
11 13 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota
12 20 96 Bobby Labonte Ford
*rookie

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Coca-Cola - "unoffical" Standings (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/standings_unofficial.html)

1 -- Jeff Gordon 1722 Leader
2 -- Tony Stewart 1678 -44
3 -- Kurt Busch 1607 -115
4 -- Jimmie Johnson 1594 -128
5 -- Denny Hamlin 1575 -147
6 +1 Kyle Busch 1540 -182
7 +1 Ryan Newman 1538 -184
8 -2 Jeff Burton 1472 -250
9 +1 Matt Kenseth 1460 -262
10 -1 Greg Biffle 1448 -274
11 +1 Carl Edwards 1431 -291
12 -1 Mark Martin 1428 -294
19 -1 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 1225 -497

[Rover]

It was better when Stewart was chewing out Reutimann in the 1st or 2nd red flag because Stewart thought he was driving like an idiot. And then one of Reutimann's pit guys started telling Stewart how to drive.

Hilarity. Drivers certainly don't want some guy who changes tires telling them how to drive.

[Alcestis]

It was better when Stewart was chewing out Reutimann in the 1st or 2nd red flag because Stewart thought he was driving like an idiot. And then one of Reutimann's pit guys started telling Stewart how to drive.

Hilarity. Drivers certainly don't want some guy who changes tires telling them how to drive.

Reutimann was very lucky. And he does drive like a rabid man with his dick on fire. The field is damp, he's driving extremely reckless...calm down. His crew chief deserves that trophy, period. He made the decision to keep him out there and take the chance. ALL the drivers had that opportunity, and only 3 on the lead lap did so. R. Gordon, finished 3rd...insanity!

As for the crew member giving Stewart 'advice', it was calm until the dude feel on his ass and I burst out laughing. Stewart gives him that "you dumb ass" look.

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[Muji]

i wonder if one of the changes Hendrick is talking about making to the 88 car is sending the shitty ass driver of it back to the nationwide series, he is driving worse than Casey Mears

[eleveneighteen]

12th place for first effort with McGrew. Not bad, really.

[Alcestis]

Hey, smartass...he kicked ass yesterday. Now bite - Face.

Austim Speaks 500/Dover - Results (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/13/data/results_unofficial.html)

1 8 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet
2 31 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet
3 5 16 Greg Biffle Ford
4 14 17 Matt Kenseth Ford
5 19 2 Kurt Busch Dodge
6 2 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge
7 13 99 Carl Edwards Ford
8 11 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet
9 17 07 Casey Mears Chevrolet
10 28 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet
11 25 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet
12 22 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet

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Autism Speaks 400/Dover - Standings (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/standings_unofficial.html)


1 +1 Tony Stewart 1853 Leader
2 -1 Jeff Gordon 1807 -46
3 +1 Jimmie Johnson 1789 -64
4 -1 Kurt Busch 1762 -91
5 +2 Ryan Newman 1680 -173
6 -- Kyle Busch 1634 -219
7 -2 Denny Hamlin 1630 -223
8 +1 Matt Kenseth 1625 -228
9 +1 Greg Biffle 1618 -235
10 -2 Jeff Burton 1587 -266
11 -- Carl Edwards 1582 -271
12 -- Mark Martin 1567 -286
18 +1 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 1352 -501

[eleveneighteen]

Good day for Tony

[Alcestis]

Pocono 500 - Results (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/14/data/results_official.html)

1 1 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet Congrats!
2 11 99 Carl Edwards Ford
3 13 00 David Reutimann Toyota
4 2 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet
5 5 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet
6 20 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota
7 3 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet
8 15 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet
9 10 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet
10 26 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge
11 9 16 Greg Biffle Ford
12 16 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet
27 18 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet [/how he didn't wreck that car is beyond me]

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Pocono 500 - Standins (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/standings_official.html) Race 14 of 36

1 -- Tony Stewart 2043 Leader
2 -- Jeff Gordon 1972 -71
3 -- Jimmie Johnson 1940 -103
4 +1 Ryan Newman 1840 -203
5 -1 Kurt Busch 1819 -224
6 +5 Carl Edwards 1762 -281
7 +2 Greg Biffle 1753 -290 14
8 -- Matt Kenseth 1745 -298
9 -3 Kyle Busch 1731 -312
10 -- Jeff Burton 1725 -318
11 +2 David Reutimann 1701 -342
12 -5 Denny Hamlin 1679 -364 <--- bullshit standing....
20 -2 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 1434 -609 [/cuts]

[eleveneighteen]

Robby Gordon wins Desert Series Baja 500... Still crazy as a shithouse rat.

[Rover]

NASCAR driver Jeremy Mayfield tested positive for methamphetamine during a random drug screening May 1 at Richmond International Raceway, ESPN The Magazine has learned from two independent sources.
Of all the drugs, why meth?

[Alcestis]

^Randon questing. Can numerous over the counter medication (even px meds) give a false-positive test result? I need to look at that. Insane, meth??

LifeLock 400/Michigan - Results (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/15/data/results_unofficial.html)

1 32 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet Awesome WIN!!
2 27 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet
3 14 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota
4 29 99 Carl Edwards Ford
5 20 16 Greg Biffle Ford
6 7 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet
7 11 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet
8 5 2 Kurt Busch Dodge
9 1 83 Brian Vickers Toyota
10 9 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet
11 31 26 Jamie McMurray Ford
12 25 19 Elliott Sadler Dodge
13 2 18 Kyle Busch Toyota
14 30 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet

Best finish this season (so far). "Race ol'e man, race!"

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LifeLock 400/Michigan - Standings (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/standings_unofficial.html) Race 15 of 36

1 -- Tony Stewart 2189 Leader
2 -- Jeff Gordon 2142 -47
3 -- Jimmie Johnson 2047 -142
4 +1 Kurt Busch 1961 -228
5 -1 Ryan Newman 1934 -255
6 -- Carl Edwards 1927 -262
7 -- Greg Biffle 1913 -276
8 +5 Mark Martin 1868 -321
9 -- Kyle Busch 1860 -329
10 +2 Denny Hamlin 1849 -340
11 -3 Matt Kenseth 1848 -341
12 -2 Jeff Burton 1810 -379
18 +2 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 1555 -634

[Alcestis]

Toyota/SaveMart 350 - Results (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/16/data/results_unofficial.html)

1 5 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge
2 4 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet
3 3 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota
4 11 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet
5 24 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota
6 17 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet
7 20 44 A.J. Allmendinger Dodge
8 26 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet
9 13 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet
10 8 19 Elliott Sadler Dodge
11 38 55 Patrick Carpentier Toyota
12 33 113 Max Papis * Toyota
*rookie


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Toyota/SaveMart 250 - Standings (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/standings_unofficial.html) Race 16 of 36

1 -- Tony Stewart 2364 Leader
2 -- Jeff Gordon 2280 -84
3 -- Jimmie Johnson 2207 -157
4 -- Kurt Busch 2084 -280
5 +1 Carl Edwards 2051 -313
6 -1 Ryan Newman 2046 -318
7 +3 Denny Hamlin 2009 -355
8 -1 Greg Biffle 1992 -372
9 -- Kyle Busch 1962 -402
10 +1 Matt Kenseth 1957 -407
11 -3 Mark Martin 1926 -438
12 +2 Juan Montoya 1917 -447
13 +2 Kasey Kahne 1914 -450

[zemaniak]

bit of a pickle here.
my GF bought me 2 tix to the NH race today last XMAS. Now she can`t go cause she hurt her back yesterday, so sitting is a no-no, and so I lost my race partner.
and now it`s too late to find a friend to go as it`s too last minute AND it`s a 4 hour drive from Montreal AND weather is iffy, f*ck!!!

Anybody from the area that would like to tag along and see the race w me?
EDIT: well i was able to stretch out my arms at least. Weird race, fun though, lucky win #20

[Alcestis]

#20 was one lucky youngster, this was definitely a #24 win. Damn cautions and rain.

Also, when they had the 8th caution after "The Big One", Truex was rightfully pissed off, he was a Top 5 contender.

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Lenox Industrial Tools 301/New Hampshire - Results (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/17/data/results_unofficial.html)

1 24 20 Joey Logano * Toyota
2 2 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet
3 4 2 Kurt Busch Dodge
4 14 00 David Reutimann Toyota
5 1 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet
6 36 09 Brad Keselowski Chevrolet
7 9 18 Kyle Busch Toyota
8 26 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge
9 3 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet
10 13 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge
11 21 07 Casey Mears Chevrolet
12 12 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet
13 20 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet
*rookie

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Standings - Race 17 of 36 (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/standings_unofficial.html)

1 -- Tony Stewart 2524 Leader
2 -- Jeff Gordon 2455 -69
3 -- Jimmie Johnson 2355 -169
4 -- Kurt Busch 2254 -270
5 -- Carl Edwards 2157 -367
6 +1 Denny Hamlin 2132 -392
7 -1 Ryan Newman 2127 -397
8 +1 Kyle Busch 2108 -416
9 -1 Greg Biffle 2106 -418
10 -- Matt Kenseth 2054 -470
11 -- Mark Martin 2052 -472
12 -- Juan Montoya 2049 -475
19 +1 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 1764 -760
21 +3 Joey Logano* 1741 -783
*rookie

[zemaniak]

right to be pissed, but not so sure at the right guy. Eveyone in the stands was quick to hang #18 for this, but being there I clearly saw JR miss his restart and that fucked everyone behind, but the mindless mob would never admit him any wrongdoing of course. I saw and truly believe Kyle had nowhere to go

I for one can`t complain too much about the rain. considering those large black clouds kept looming above and around us for most of the day, i`m quite happy they decided to wait til lap 267 to piss on us

[eleveneighteen]

Heading to Daytona (leaving in a few) for the race weekend, which I'm going to guess will be Hendrick-Fest. But the Toyotas run well in the restrictor plate races so we'll see.

[Alcestis]

SON OF A CUNT!

1118...tell me you threw a beer at the #9 for that shitty attempt of a bump draft. Stupid SOB!

[Erased]

Inside voices please. :) *hides*

[Le Goat]

CRIPPLE FUCK!

[Alcestis]

Inside voices please. :) *hides*

I literally said "fuck & goddamnit" so loud my neighbor goes "guessin' jr wrecked" from his backyard.

Hey, I didn't hit the television with the remote this time. ;)

[Erased]

Well...I guess that counts for something.

[Erased]

CRIPPLE FUCK!

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[Alcestis]

Just when I thought that race couldn't get any better, BAM! or more like CRASH & CRUNCH!!

Wreck that took out my driver...

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Coke Zero 400/Daytona - Results (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/18/data/results_unofficial.html)

1 1 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet
2 3 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet
3 6 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota
4 5 99 Carl Edwards Ford
5 4 2 Kurt Busch Dodge
6 18 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota
7 17 83 Brian Vickers Toyota
8 10 17 Matt Kenseth Ford
9 12 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet
10 23 19 Elliott Sadler Dodge
11 22 26 Jamie McMurray Ford
12 43 78 Regan Smith Chevrolet
39 19 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet (accident)

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Standings (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/standings_unofficial.html) Race 18 of 36

1 -- Tony Stewart 2719 Leader
2 -- Jeff Gordon 2539 -180
3 -- Jimmie Johnson 2525 -194
4 -- Kurt Busch 2414 -305
5 -- Carl Edwards 2317 -402
6 -- Denny Hamlin 2302 -417
7 -- Ryan Newman 2235 -484
8 -- Kyle Busch 2234 -485
9 -- Greg Biffle 2215 -504
10 -- Matt Kenseth 2201 -518
11 +1 Juan Montoya 2187 -532
12 +1 Kasey Kahne 2166 -553
13 -2 Mark Martin 2101 -618
21 -2 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 1810 -909

[Alcestis]

No (Sprint Cup) race this weekend.

Allstate 400/The Brickyard - Indianapolis Motor Speedway, Sunday, July 26th 2:19 EST ESPN

[Muji]

i wish Junior would quit making the Hendrick racing team look bad, hell Casey Mears was a better driver for them

[Alcestis]

muji, don't make me give your pudgy bunny a protein bar, damn-it. :p

[eleveneighteen]

F'n Busch wins NNS at Gateway.

[Alcestis]

Let me guess, "he spoke with the media"? /sarcasm

[eleveneighteen]

Ha! Although being a stand-alone Nationwide race in St. Louis, good luck finding any media reps.

Can imagine Kyle chasing down the local Quad-Cities newspaper reporter... Cmon man dontcha wanna interview me?

[zemaniak]

kyle mises the chase
RPM goes to Ford
global warming
what else can go wrong with the world?

no seriously, ford have been crap all year, and now I have to endure seeing them in the chase with no hope of winning, and no Busch to sour on Hendrick`s parade. great...

they better get their act together in 2010