2008 Election - Offseason

[Pax Britannia]

Great points there Arch. I like to condense my explanation of Islam to one sentence. See if you agree: Islam is a centuries old death cult created by a powerful general to ensure the loyalty of his troops and conquered masses.

[Archangel]

Great points there Arch. I like to condense my explanation of Islam to one sentence. See if you agree: Islam is a centuries old death cult created by a powerful general to ensure the loyalty of his troops and conquered masses.

Partly.

But we cannot forget that for all its expansionist violence, Islam managed to bring peace to its core regions for a few hundred years, something unheard of before and after. Sure, all the blokes hell bent on warfare were abroad slaughtering Serbs and Spaniards...

And I still think that there is good in Islam. I respect the Qur'an immensely as a work of human genius: The systemic problem inherent in it, however, is that by aspiring to control secular matters as well as faith, it has become obsolete in the face of changing circumstances of objective reality.

But the world of 1150 was vastly different to the world of 650, as well, yet somehow, they managed. Why? Because then, Islam was the most literate, most philosophical, most exegetic faith in the world - after Judaism, obviously, from which it learned much (the Jews have been managing to do this for 3500 years now, it's amazing). It's the difference between Aquinas trying to integrate new epistemes into a school of thought that already to him was 1200 years old, and Pat Robertson today being unable to do any exegesis whatsoever. Same with Islam. Back then, a religion that knew it had to re-invent itself to stay current gave birth to some of the greatest philosophical and scientific minds of the era. Now, a religion that is too dumb to focus on anything but the literal sense of its holy works causes bigotry and benightedness.

The short-sightedness of the Crusades lay in weakening both Constantinople and the Arabs, which led to the Turks taking over.
I do not have to expound on my attitudes toward the people of Turkey here, I should think. It's from 1299 on that Islam starts its spiral towards barbarism and ignorance.

[Pax Britannia]

A Muslim Enlightenment in the near future would be helpful.

[Archangel]

Yes, but it has to come from within. Somebody like Rumsfeld telling Muslims that they should become democratic and secular is not going to work. Hell, it made democratic secular societies think about going back to theocracy.

Luther could do what he did because he was, beyond any doubt, a man of great faith. What Islam needs is a respected scholar of Islam, who is a devout Muslim, to argue that freedom and peace are the LOGICAL CONSEQUENCES of applying the Qur'an to today's world.

And I don't see that happening within Islam in the next 200 years. Before Luther, there had been people like St Francis, Joachim of Fiore, Dante, Albertus Magnus, Petrarch and obviously Erasmus who had been laying the foundations of a re-formation of the decrepit Church of Rome. Luther wasn't working in a vacuum; he was the straw that broke the camel's back. The time was ripe.

I don't even see any of these "preparatory" thinkers in Islam today. They're too busy putting out fatwahs on anyone who writes a book.

[The Dude]

Fun Fact for the day...

When there is not an incumbent running, if the Redskins (Washington's NFL team) win their last home game before a presidential election, the incumbent party has kept the White House. If they lose their last home game before the election, then the White House changes parties.


Steelers @ Redskins, tonight, 8:30 PM on ESPN

right now the 'Skins are at -2 (which basically means the Vegas oddsmakers think its a tossup)

[Archangel]

Go Steelers?

[kareyn01]

Fun Fact for the day...

When there is not an incumbent running, if the Redskins (Washington's NFL team) win their last home game before a presidential election, the incumbent party has kept the White House. If they lose their last home game before the election, then the White House changes parties.


Steelers @ Redskins, tonight, 8:30 PM on ESPN

right now the 'Skins are at -2 (which basically means the Vegas oddsmakers think its a tossup)

That didn't work in 2004.

[CrazyCarl]

I think they said it was 11 out of the last 13 or something like that

[The Dude]

That didn't work in 2004.

can you read?

if yes, then reread the statement, then retract

if no, stfu

[CrazyCarl]

yesterday Fox NFL had the stat but without the "no incumbent" stipulation

[Pox]

Christopher Hitchens on the Khalidi smear:


My main point, though, is not to call attention to the bullying and demagogy of McCain's attack. It is to observe how completely it undermines any claim on his part to foreign-policy experience. Khalidi has been known to me for some time and can easily be read and consulted by anyone with the remotest curiosity about the Israeli-Arab dispute. He is highly renowned, well beyond the borders of his own discipline, for his measure and care and scruple in weighing the issue. If he is seriously to be compared to a "neo-Nazi," then the Republican nominee has put the United States in the unbelievable position of slandering the most courageously "moderate" of the Palestinian Arabs as a brownshirt and a fascist. What then has been the point of every negotiation on a two-state solution since President George H.W. Bush convened the peace conference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrid_Conference_of_1991) in Madrid in 1991? Nazis, after all, are to be crushed, not accommodated. One would have to think hard before coming up with a more crazy and irresponsible statement on any subject. Once again, it seems that McCain utterly lost his bearings.
I put the word moderate in quotation marks above because I dislike employing it in its usual form. Rashid Khalidi's family is a famous one in Jerusalem, long respected by Arab and Christian and Jew and Druze and Armenian, and holding a celebrated house and position in the city since approximately the time of the Crusades. I have had the honor of being invited to this very house. If Rashid chooses to state that he doesn't care to be evicted from his ancestral home in order to make way for some settler from Brooklyn who claims to have God on his side, I think he has a perfect right to say so. I would go further and say that if Barack Obama was looking for a Palestinian friend, he could not have chosen any better. But perhaps John McCain has decided that he doesn't need any Palestinian friends and neither do we. Perhaps he thinks it's all right to refer to refugees and victims of occupation, who have been promised self-determination and statehood at the podium of the United Nations and the U.S. Congress by George Bush and Condoleezza Rice, as if they were Hitlerites. How shameful. How disgusting. How ignorant.
One could go a step further and say that many Israelis have used the words apartheid and terrorist to describe at least some of their government's policies. In just the same way, one could note that Khalidi has clearly denounced violence when used by his "own" side, and also—this I remember very well from meeting him in Beirut in the 1970s and '80s—when employed by regimes like the Syrian. But somehow this evidence and this reflection has become beside the point. McCain saw a chance to deal a cheap and low blow, and he had the ideally ignorant deputy to reinforce him. The slander, after all, might get them through another news cycle and perhaps adhere some defamatory mud to their opponent. Who cares that it made the United States of America look thuggish and ignorant and petty in the eyes of any thinking person in the Middle East? Anyone who does care should be getting ready to vote against this humiliating ticket, a team that so farcically and horribly unites the senescent and the puerile

[Archangel]

Hitchens is pals with him? KILL THAT TERRORIST.

[Archangel]

Actually, this is the second time (http://forum.gorillamask.net/showpost.php?p=132671&postcount=1136) I've agreed with a raging godless heathen in the course of these elections.

Tells you a lot about religion in America, I should think.

[Desperado]

Desperate much?


Virginia Bogus Flyer Grounded; Police Consider Charges (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/03/virginia-bogus-flyer-grounded-police-consider-charges/)
Posted: 01:20 PM ET

From Dan Lothian and Beth Elliott (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/tag/dan-lothian-and-beth-elliott/)
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/11/03/art.flier.cnn.jpg A bogus flyer telling Democrats to vote the day after Election Day has been discovered.

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/corner_wire_BL.gif

(CNN) - Virginia State Police may press charges against the person responsible for a bogus flyer (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/28/virginia-trying-to-combat-misinformation-about-election-day/)in the Hampton Roads, Virginia area that told Democrats to vote on the day after Tuesday's election, according to the state's Board of Elections.
"It was a joke that got out of control on the internet," says Virginia Board of Elections Secretary Nancy Rodriguez.
The state's official logos appear on the flyer, which started circulating on October 24. It said Republicans and Independents leaning Republican should vote on November 4 — Election Day — and Democrats and Independents leaning Democratic to vote the following day.
It says the change in voting times is due to "larger than expected voted turnout" and says an "emergency session of the General Assembly has adopted the following emergency regulations to ease the load on local electorial (sic) precincts and ensure a fair electoral process."
Communicating false information to voters is punishable as a class 1 misdemeanor under Virginia election law.

[Limp]

^That happens every year.

EDIT** Election year....

[Archangel]

Hahahahahahahahahaha.


That just made my day.

[Archangel]

It's getting rather worrisome; (http://www.slate.com/id/2203120/) I agree with the heathen, again!

This is what the Republican Party has done to us this year: It has placed within reach of the Oval Office a woman who is a religious fanatic and a proud, boastful ignoramus. Those who despise science and learning are not anti-elitist. They are morally and intellectually slothful people who are secretly envious of the educated and the cultured. And those who prate of spiritual warfare and demons are not just "people of faith" but theocratic bullies. On Nov. 4, anyone who cares for the Constitution has a clear duty to repudiate this wickedness and stupidity.

Bingo.

[Yelram]

It's getting rather worrisome; (http://www.slate.com/id/2203120/) I agree with the heathen, again!



Bingo.

I still dont understand what makes her dumb, you're going to have to draw me a picture here. You dont agree with her, thats great, what makes her dumb, or "against education". That is the stupidest thing i've ever fucking heard. People that dont live in the real world LIKE YOU, are exactly what she means by elite. People who have always had money handed to them. So they think "hey we can just tax that millionaire, they have all kinds of money", but you're too dumb to realize you are biting the hand that feeds you.

[Limp]

Hitchens has ties with the KKK! (www.meatspin.com)

[Archangel]

Yeah, talking about how seeing Russia from her house makes her the next Kissinger is a sure fire sign of intelligence. As is falling for a frat boy joke and believing that European heads of state shoot animals from helicopters.

Her horizons are about as expansive as my tolerance for people of her ilk.

[Archangel]

That is the stupidest thing i've ever fucking heard.

You say that an awful lot. I feel denigrated, because in five minutes, you will bestow that honour upon someone else who disagrees with you.

[Smokestack]

I still dont understand what makes her dumb, you're going to have to draw me a picture here. You dont agree with her, thats great, what makes her dumb, or "against education". That is the stupidest thing i've ever fucking heard. People that dont live in the real world LIKE YOU, are exactly what she means by elite. People who have always had money handed to them. So they think "hey we can just tax that millionaire, they have all kinds of money", but you're too dumb to realize you are biting the hand that feeds you.

What does any of this mean? You're barking at the moon, man. Give it up.

[Yelram]

Yeah, talking about how seeing Russia from her house makes her the next Kissinger is a sure fire sign of intelligence. As is falling for a frat boy joke and believing that European heads of state shoot animals from helicopters.

Her horizons are about as expansive as my tolerance for people of her ilk.

As Governor, she has to maintain a waterway on an international Border. I imagine that has nothing to do with foreign relations? And I suppose brokering a deal with Canada to build a pipeline from Northern Alaska down through Canada into the lower 48 doesnt have anything to do with foreign relations either right? Do you keep up with all the gossip on Britney Spears too? She got pranked. I couldnt even understand what they were saying, I imagine she was just nodding and grinning.

[Claydon]

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/idexx/2007-09-08-RonaldReagan1981.jpg

[Archangel]

Wow, the incredibly tough foreign relations between Canada and Alaska. Now that she managed to pump some oil close to some caribous, I'm guessing she's ready to show Ahmadinejad who's boss in Australia, huh?

[Archangel]

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/idexx/2007-09-08-RonaldReagan1981.jpg

I'm pretty sure that every reasonable conservative in your country prays that one day, you'll have a candidate of Dutch's calibre again.

[Claydon]

Wow, the incredibly tough foreign relations between Canada and Alaska. Now that she managed to pump some oil close to some caribous, I'm guessing she's ready to show Ahmadinejad who's boss in Australia, huh?

Yup, just as obama's experience as a community leader makes him ready to sit down and open talks!

[Limp]

Yup, just as obama's experience as a community leader makes him ready to sit down and open talks!
He's one of them, they can relate.

[Claydon]

hahahaha the frenchmen just neg'd me for posting reagan's pic. i guess he is still pissed when we bypassed france and bombed libya even though the french said no!

[Claydon]

I'm pretty sure that every reasonable conservative in your country prays that one day, you'll have a candidate of Dutch's calibre again.

you have NO idea my friend. *sigh*

[Archangel]

Intelligence can make up for inexperience. Some people prefer to go to a surgeon who had mediocre grades but has a shitload of experience, some might prefer a young bright guy.

Nobody wants the untested retard.

[Limp]

hahahaha the frenchmen just neg'd me for posting reagan's pic. i guess he is still pissed when we bypassed france and bombed libya even though the french said no!
The French didn't say "No". They said "No! DON'T SHOOT! WE GIVE!"

[Limp]

Intelligence can make up for inexperience. Some people prefer to go to a surgeon who had mediocre grades but has a shitload of experience, some might prefer a young bright guy.

Nobody wants the untested N*****.

[Claydon]

Intelligence can make up for inexperience. Some people prefer to go to a surgeon who had mediocre grades but has a shitload of experience, some might prefer a young bright guy.

Nobody wants the untested retard.

hence i prefer mccain.

[Archangel]

Dunno, Snoop's first record was pretty fucking good.

[Yelram]

Wow, the incredibly tough foreign relations between Canada and Alaska. Now that she managed to pump some oil close to some caribous, I'm guessing she's ready to show Ahmadinejad who's boss in Australia, huh?

Do you ever concede points? Or do you just move on to something else thats not related?

[Archangel]

hence i prefer mccain.

I didn't mind McCain that much until his VP pick. I would have been perfectly happy with him as your next president: I always thought he was a man of intelligence and integrity.

But he'll never live losing that gamble down. As far as judgement calls go, holy shit, that was a bad one.

[Archangel]

Do you ever concede points? Or do you just move on to something else thats not related?

You said that her experience dealing with Canada makes her a foreign policy expert. I said that for America, dealing with Canada isn't the same as dealing with North Korea, which Mrs Palin probably believes to be near the Horn of Africa.

How is that not related?


Dude, these last weeks of the campaign, your bitterness has had the better of your sense.

[Stax]

You said that her experience dealing with Canada makes her a foreign policy expert. I said that for America, dealing with Canada isn't the same as dealing with North Korea, which Mrs Palin probably believes to be near the Horn of Africa.

Wait, Africa has a horn section now? I thought they only played drums over there.

[Claydon]

I didn't mind McCain that much until his VP pick. I would have been perfectly happy with him as your next president: I always thought he was a man of intelligence and integrity.

But he'll never live losing that gamble down. As far as judgement calls go, holy shit, that was a bad one.

mccain was in a tough spot, the dems had the whole 'black man president' historic momentum. he needed to make a gamble and he did and it will most likely not pay off too well for him. If had chosen romney which would have been a fantastic choice given the economic issues the ticket would have been great. However, then it would have been the 'white man' ticket kind of thing....

[Smokestack]

As Governor, she has to maintain a waterway on an international Border. I imagine that has nothing to do with foreign relations? And I suppose brokering a deal with Canada to build a pipeline from Northern Alaska down through Canada into the lower 48 doesnt have anything to do with foreign relations either right? Do you keep up with all the gossip on Britney Spears too? She got pranked. I couldnt even understand what they were saying, I imagine she was just nodding and grinning.

What does "managing a waterway" have anything to do with lying about being able to see Russia from her house that isn't even on the Bering Strait. And that brokered deal with Canada on the pipeline deal had a flawed bid process and still might not even go through. Should he concede those points then?

[Archangel]

mccain was in a tough spot, the dems had the whole 'black man president' historic momentum. he needed to make a gamble and he did and it will most likely not pay off too well for him. If had chosen romney which would have been a fantastic choice given the economic issues the ticket would have been great. However, then it would have been the 'white man' ticket kind of thing....


There MUST have been a better woman to pick in the entire GOP.

Well, maybe not a better gun-crazy pentecostal creationist nutjob, but somebody.

[Yelram]

You said that her experience dealing with Canada makes her a foreign policy expert. I said that for America, dealing with Canada isn't the same as dealing with North Korea, which Mrs Palin probably believes to be near the Horn of Africa.

How is that not related?


Dude, these last weeks of the campaign, your bitterness has had the better of your sense.

You keep making posts that are totally irrelevant, and smack of the maturity of a young teenager. Mccain needed Palin, because the Republicans HATE Mccain. He has "crossed the isle" too many times to be effective, and everytime the dems use him.

[Limp]

http://playahata.com/hatablog/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/sharpton_obama.jpg

[Archangel]

And what did he need her for? To pander to the right-wing nutjobs who want one of their retarded kind.


Instead of earning some respect by sticking to his guns. I mean, he won the primaries handily, so some repubs must have liked him:

[Stax]

There MUST have been a better woman to pick in the entire GOP.

Well, maybe not a better gun-crazy pentecostal creationist nutjob, but somebody.

Kay Bailey Hutchinson was the only other woman whose name I heard knocked around (then Clinton and a few people mentioned Kathleen Sebelius on the Democratic side, but that doesn't matter here) and given McCain's choice of Palin he apparently believed keeping the base happy was his biggest problem (a legitimate theory) so a pretty pro-choice woman probably would not have worked.

[fuldstændigamok]

hahahaha the frenchmen just neg'd me for posting reagan's pic. i guess he is still pissed when we bypassed france and bombed libya even though the french said no!

Not really, dumbass. I negged you for posting a completly irrelevant pic to the current conversation, and your constant stupid avs, quotes and whatnot, but more generally, I negged you you for being a giant douchebag, but whatever float your boat...

[Yelram]

And what did he need her for? To pander to the right-wing nutjobs who want one of their retarded kind.


Instead of earning some respect by sticking to his guns. I mean, he won the primaries handily, so some repubs must have liked him:

If he wins Pennsylvania, its completely because of Palin.

[Archangel]

And her pull among the guys who are convinced that the world is younger than Chinese literature.

Yeah, I'd want those voting for me, too.

[smahoo]

You keep making posts that are totally irrelevant, and smack of the maturity of a young teenager. Mccain needed Palin, because the Republicans HATE Mccain. He has "crossed the isle" too many times to be effective, and everytime the dems use him.

that's really what you think??

then why the fuck did they nominate him??

that's why they will lose tomorrow?? is this some rebuild from the ground up strategy the republicans have?? yeah, thats it, they're throwing the election to prove that their party is so fucked up that new blood needs to be infused.

you just made the case for Obama by arguing that the republicans are so out of touch that they're willing to run with a candidate they hate...

[Stax]

If he wins Pennsylvania, its completely because of Palin.

A. What Arch said.
B. After half a month of camping all resources in Pennsylvania poll averages have the margin at about +8% for Obama. Which is the margin New Mexico is at right now which McCain pulled out of (in exchange for PA, which was at the time 12+ points for Obama, along with CO and IA) for being too far gone to compete in.

[Stax]

Not really, dumbass. I negged you for posting a completly irrelevant pic to the current conversation, and your constant stupid avs, quotes and whatnot, but more generally, I negged you you for being a giant douchebag, but whatever float your boat...

Wait YOU negged someone for being a douchebag?

[Lone Wolf]

I love how ESPN sends their biggest moron out there to interview the presidential candidates

[The Batman]

mccain was in a tough spot, the dems had the whole 'black man president' historic momentum. he needed to make a gamble and he did and it will most likely not pay off too well for him. If had chosen romney which would have been a fantastic choice given the economic issues the ticket would have been great. However, then it would have been the 'white man' ticket kind of thing....

I completely disagree. McCain didn't gamble, McCain took the cards that were given him, pissed on them, burned them, and then shoved it up the people's asses. He was an amazing choice in 2000. Some how the last 8 years or the time he spent running for president has taken who he was and destroyed it. He could have had a lot better shot at the presidency if he would have stuck to his guns.

[smahoo]

CHARLOTTE, N.C. - Barack Obama's ailing grandmother died Monday in Hawaii, a day before Obama was to stand election for the presidency, his campaign announced.

Madelyn Payne Dunham was 86.

The Democratic presidential candidate announced the news in a joint statement with his sister Maya Soetoro-Ng. The statement said Dunham died peacefully after a battle with cancer.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27522679/

it's a shame she won't witness history made tomorrow

[Limp]

Obama had her killed for the sympathy vote....

[Stax]

I love how ESPN sends their biggest moron out there to interview the presidential candidates

I wanna see if Berman has any nicknames for them. Ba"Rock and Roll" Obama, maybe.

[smahoo]

and John "Feel my Pain" McCain

[Yelram]

And her pull among the guys who are convinced that the world is younger than Chinese literature.

Yeah, I'd want those voting for me, too.

And many of those voting for Obama dont understand all the 3 dollar words you used in that post. Like Chinese, and literature.

Smahoo, by the time it got to PA, I had to vote for Mccain if I voted republican. So instead I voted AGAINST Hillary Clinton for Barack. The party powers that be deemed that "Mccain is the only chance because he's such a left leaning republican".

[Limp]

And many of those voting for Obama dont understand all the 3 dollar words you used in that post. Like Chinese, and literature.
"many of those" = teh blaks?!

[Stax]

Nothing will ever top Ben "Winter" Coates. Or the Michael Turner "Overdrive" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachman_Turner_Overdrive).

[ElvisWong]

Palin .... is not serious. She has no experience....why not no matter who.... Maybe a cheerleaders can do the job...

Pallin prove's her incompetence !!!

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[Archangel]

I don't like retards agreeing with me; they make my points look invalid.


Sort of how Rover must feel about case sensitive and all those other cockmongers.

[Claydon]

I don't like retards agreeing with me; they make my points look invalid.


Sort of how Rover must feel about case sensitive and all those other cockmongers.

sooooo i agree with rover ergo im a peen lover?

[Archangel]

What I meant was, if Rover or Hanover make a point, and then our retard conservative trolls (you know who you are) agree with them, it makes them look bad.

[Claydon]

What I meant was, if Rover or Hanover make a point, and then our retard conservative trolls (you know who you are) agree with them, it makes them look bad.

ahhh!

[FarEastFornicator]

Obama had her killed for the sympathy vote....

It certainly helped put a few additional nails in the coffin as far as Obama winning.

[Mustard]

Sadly, this thread will have run its course after tomorrow night. I'm a bit wistful about it really, what with all the good times and vitriol that has been produced here... But I guess all good things must eventually come to an end.

On an upbeat note though, we can always start a 2010 and 2012 Election thread!

The cycle continues.... *tear*

[Pax Britannia]

The cycle continues.... *tear*

(deep breath)

IT'S THE CIRCLE OF LIFEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

[Soup Nazi]

Sadly, this thread will have run its course after tomorrow night. I'm a bit wistful about it really, what with all the good times and vitriol that has been produced here... But I guess all good things must eventually come to an end.

On an upbeat note though, we can always start a 2010 and 2012 Election thread!

The cycle continues.... *tear*

With how long this process has taken, we may have to start a 2012 Election thread on Wednesday.

[Whiffleball]

The voters in western Pennsylvania will probably identify more with John McCain and Sarah Palin as they are social conservative economic liberals, working class Democrats who are pro-guns and pro-life. However, they are largely offset by the much more numerous Pennsylvanians in the east who are the exact opposite -- economically conservative, social liberals. Pennsylvania is by no means a safe Democratic state but they are heavily leaning blue and the state tends to go with whatever the rest of the nation does -- meaning an Obama victory is a pretty reasonable bet. If McCain had succeeded in turning his campaign around nationally, his focus there would have indeed paid dividends, but considering that Obama has only been boosted in recent days, it's reminicent of Giuliani campaigning for President of Florida.

I firmly agree with Archangel's assessment (and for his sake I hope I don't fall into the retard column) about McCain's chances. I myself would never have voted Republican due to where I stand on the issues, but I think he had an excellent shot of overcoming Obama prior to the end of August, before the Palin selection and the economic crisis.

There were huge doubts about Obama coming out of the primaries. We Dems were deeply divided and the nation at large was unsure of whether they could trust a man who had little political experience and seemed to be relying heavily on his charisma. He did himself few favors by moving more to the center after playing heavily to the base before the nomination. When he went to the Middle East and Europe, it sort of looked like he was hunting for photo ops and when he picked Biden, there were lots of questions about why he would pick a VP who was not all that different from the woman he had attacked so steadily for his party's nod.

It is true that McCain was not all that popular with his party's base but I don't think you can fault the Republicans for not being enthusiastic about him. If you had combined Romney, McCain and Huckabee, you would have had an excellent GOP candidate -- economically right-wing, socially conservative and laden with foreign policy and military experience. Unfortunately for the GOP, these were three different guys who, for all their merits, had serious flaws. Romney was a New England Republican who was moderate if not left-of-center on some social issues, Huckabee was incomplete when it came to the two most important issues (the economy and Iraq) and McCain was a maverick with a history of crossing the aisle rather than towing the party line and thus not endeared to core supporters.

I honestly think McCain should have gambled on embracing that moderate role, distancing himself from the crazy Christians and the right-wing nutjobs. He could have said, "We've had eight years of divisive politics; now it's time to employ sensibility and pragmatism." To his credit, he has done that at times, such as when he said he would consider appointing pro-choice justices to the Supreme Court assuming they were qualified. Of course, it would be just as unlikely for him to do so as it would be for Obama to appoint a pro-life justice, but he has at times tried to win over those voters who have been wary of Obama but fear that McCain may yet be another far right Republican.

But a lot of that was undone with the Palin pick. Yes, at first there was a lot of glamour and charm surrounding her, but it was the same kind of glamour and charm that initially surrounded Barack Obama. It's hard to attack an empty suit on the other ticket when you have an empty skirt on yours. Whereas Obama has overcome questions through his intellectual curiousity, his surrounding himself with knowledgable people and winning the endorsements of statesmen and experts, Palin crashed and burned, most notably by at first dodging questions and then failing miserably in the Couric interview. She became a subject of mere mockery, which was highlighted by Tina Fey's appearances on SNL. She has no foreign policy experience (seeing Russia from your house makes you an expert just like seeing the moon from your house makes you an astronaut), her politcal career was as brief and even more dubious that Barack Obama's and her views are so far on the right she alienated those moderate Democrats who thought McCain would restore common sense and intelligence to the White House. America had had eight years of a folksy idiot on a mission from God and they didn't even want to run the risk of that again.

[Deadhead Derek]

this was posted under a story about Rove calling the electoral votes for Obama. WTF


Dear Friends,
Many of us are concerned about reports that Obama is in the lead for this presidential race. However we do know that God is in charge and that prayer changes things. We invite you to join us in standing in agreement this day, that the path of America is guided by God's light.
We are calling forth the power of God's all knowing spirit to intervene in the confusion of the day and to bring forth the revelations that will allow for this confusion to be removed. There are issues that can come to light, that will give many a chance to awaken to the understanding of the significance of their decisions.
See God's hand in this moment revealing all that needs to go forth as you recite the following prayer:
To all that stands in the way of God's love, I command you to be removed and to be dispelled. The Spirit of the Lord reigns and it will go forth in lightening speed to bring about all that it is sent to do. I send forth this Spirit to command all that is about, to be in the light of God's presence and only to move forward if deemed by God to do so."
Do not walk in fear for there is no fear when you trust. Rather, see it as so and be assured that what you so call forth is heard.
Prayer is always the path. Unite together and do not waiver.

[Yelram]

The voters in western Pennsylvania will probably identify more with John McCain and Sarah Palin as they are social conservative economic liberals, working class Democrats who are pro-guns and pro-life. However, they are largely offset by the much more numerous Pennsylvanians in the east who are the exact opposite -- economically conservative, social liberals. Pennsylvania is by no means a safe Democratic state but they are heavily leaning blue and the state tends to go with whatever the rest of the nation does -- meaning an Obama victory is a pretty reasonable bet. If McCain had succeeded in turning his campaign around nationally, his focus there would have indeed paid dividends, but considering that Obama has only been boosted in recent days, it's reminicent of Giuliani campaigning for President of Florida.

I firmly agree with Archangel's assessment (and for his sake I hope I don't fall into the retard column) about McCain's chances. I myself would never have voted Republican due to where I stand on the issues, but I think he had an excellent shot of overcoming Obama prior to the end of August, before the Palin selection and the economic crisis.

There were huge doubts about Obama coming out of the primaries. We Dems were deeply divided and the nation at large was unsure of whether they could trust a man who had little political experience and seemed to be relying heavily on his charisma. He did himself few favors by moving more to the center after playing heavily to the base before the nomination. When he went to the Middle East and Europe, it sort of looked like he was hunting for photo ops and when he picked Biden, there were lots of questions about why he would pick a VP who was not all that different from the woman he had attacked so steadily for his party's nod.

It is true that McCain was not all that popular with his party's base but I don't think you can fault the Republicans for not being enthusiastic about him. If you had combined Romney, McCain and Huckabee, you would have had an excellent GOP candidate -- economically right-wing, socially conservative and laden with foreign policy and military experience. Unfortunately for the GOP, these were three different guys who, for all their merits, had serious flaws. Romney was a New England Republican who was moderate if not left-of-center on some social issues, Huckabee was incomplete when it came to the two most important issues (the economy and Iraq) and McCain was a maverick with a history of crossing the aisle rather than towing the party line and thus not endeared to core supporters.

I honestly think McCain should have gambled on embracing that moderate role, distancing himself from the crazy Christians and the right-wing nutjobs. He could have said, "We've had eight years of divisive politics; now it's time to employ sensibility and pragmatism." To his credit, he has done that at times, such as when he said he would consider appointing pro-choice justices to the Supreme Court assuming they were qualified. Of course, it would be just as unlikely for him to do so as it would be for Obama to appoint a pro-life justice, but he has at times tried to win over those voters who have been wary of Obama but fear that McCain may yet be another far right Republican.

But a lot of that was undone with the Palin pick. Yes, at first there was a lot of glamour and charm surrounding her, but it was the same kind of glamour and charm that initially surrounded Barack Obama. It's hard to attack an empty suit on the other ticket when you have an empty skirt on yours. Whereas Obama has overcome questions through his intellectual curiousity, his surrounding himself with knowledgable people and winning the endorsements of statesmen and experts, Palin crashed and burned, most notably by at first dodging questions and then failing miserably in the Couric interview. She became a subject of mere mockery, which was highlighted by Tina Fey's appearances on SNL. She has no foreign policy experience (seeing Russia from your house makes you an expert just like seeing the moon from your house makes you an astronaut), her politcal career was as brief and even more dubious that Barack Obama's and her views are so far on the right she alienated those moderate Democrats who thought McCain would restore common sense and intelligence to the White House. America had had eight years of a folksy idiot on a mission from God and they didn't even want to run the risk of that again.

I really dont think the crowd that votes republican sees Palin the same way you do, and I think thats your main underestimation. Alot of people saw what the media did to her as very unfair, and even Chauvinist. Thats really why the reactions to her on this board didnt surprise me. Everyone I know who votes republican, saw her as a reason to not admit defeat to the medias assertion that Obama had already won. And anyone who listens to Rush Limbaugh knows he endorsed her 6 months before her nomination. I was not very excited about voting for the Mccain ticket, and I doubted Mccains pick originally. Until I read about what she did in Alaska. At this point, I really think its going to be surprising. I may be wrong, and I'll admit it (Even though sink cant see this, Yes Rick Santorum lost in 2006, and by a large margin, I called that one waaaay off). If Sarah Palin can bring the base, Mccain will bring alot of the independents. I've seen more "Democrats for Mccain" signs than I saw Bush signs last election. I think many of the Bush states they are calling close will be locks.

I'm goin with this map.

http://www.411mania.com/siteimages/electoralmap110208mccain_10401.jpg

[taters]

I really dont think the crowd that votes republican sees Palin the same way you do, and I think thats your main underestimation. Alot of people saw what the media did to her as very unfair, and even Chauvinist. Thats really why the reactions to her on this board didnt surprise me. Everyone I know who votes republican, saw her as a reason to not admit defeat to the medias assertion that Obama had already won. And anyone who listens to Rush Limbaugh knows he endorsed her 6 months before her nomination. I was not very excited about voting for the Mccain ticket, and I doubted Mccains pick originally. Until I read about what she did in Alaska. At this point, I really think its going to be surprising. I may be wrong, and I'll admit it (Even though sink cant see this, Yes Rick Santorum lost in 2006, and by a large margin, I called that one waaaay off). If Sarah Palin can bring the base, Mccain will bring alot of the independents. I've seen more "Democrats for Mccain" signs than I saw Bush signs last election. I think many of the Bush states they are calling close will be locks.

I'm goin with this map.

http://www.411mania.com/siteimages/electoralmap110208mccain_10401.jpg

I see you believe ohio and VA are going red. I HIGHLY doubt that, at this point.

I even think either Montana or North Dakota will also go blue.

[Da Raider]

I love how ESPN sends their biggest moron out there to interview the presidential candidates

HE! COULD! GO! ALL! THE! WAY! TO THE WHITE HOUSE!

someone please kill the Boomer. Please.

[Da Raider]

if we could convince all the people voting for McCain to jump on the Ron Paul bus, court the AJ's anus party, we could probably grab some of the fiscally conservative Obama voters and turn this election around...go Ron Paul!

[Yelram]

I see you believe ohio and VA are going red. I HIGHLY doubt that, at this point.

I even think either Montana or North Dakota will also go blue.

You've been telling me white racists outnumber black people 5 to 1 for the past 4 years or so, and now all the sudden, you're counting on there being more blacks?

[FarEastFornicator]

Palin asks if Democrats think terrorists are 'the good guys' (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/03/happening-now-palin-in-jefferson-city-missouri/)
Posted: 04:11 PM ET

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/11/03/art.palinlive.cnn.jpg Palin campaigned in Missouri earlier Monday.

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/corner_wire_BL.gif

JEFFERSON CITY, Missouri (CNN) — After warning an audience Monday in Missouri that a government run by Democrats would “gut” defense spending, Palin asked the crowd: “Do they think that terrorists have all of a sudden become the good guys?”
“So what do they think?,” Palin mused, referring to Democrats. “Do they think that terrorists have all of a sudden become the good guys? And changed their minds? No, the terrorists still seek to destroy America and her allies and all that it is that we stand for: freedom, tolerance, equality. The terrorists have not changed their minds.”
Her question was new, but Palin was pushing an argument she has made frequently in the closing week of the campaign — that Democrats in Congress, led by Rep. Barney Frank, favor a cutting the defense budget by a fourth.
“This is not the time to gut the defense budget, and this is not the time to entrust the powers of the federal government to the one party rule of Obama, Pelosi and Reid,” Palin said.
Frank, the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, has said he would favor a 25 percent cut in defense spending, but Obama has said he would actually increase military spending.


FEAR FEAR FEAR, democrats = terrorists



(http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/category/sarah-palin/)

[freegood]

We're back to good guys and evil do'ers, widus or againus

[Gary_Busey]

Fuck her. McCain likes to play the non-partisan role and then she goes and says shit like this. He can't be too happy about it.

[Soup Nazi]

SHES GOIN ROGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Again.

[mongo]

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doo it faggots!

[URFloorMatt]

If she wore those jeans before today, she might've gotten my vote.

[VoxAngelikus]

So who won?

[VoxAngelikus]

Your mother.

[VoxAngelikus]

Oh, that's real mature.

[marquis]

and this is not the time to entrust the powers of the federal government to the one party rule of Obama, Pelosi and Reid,” Palin said.
(http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/category/sarah-palin/)

Yeah we can't have 1 party rule. Unless, it's 6 years of Bush and the Rep's. Or Rove's stated goal of Republican 1 party rule.

She has to be one of the dumbest people in the country. She has risen to a level above her ability and it's showing.

[heelsguy]

she does have a point about reid and pelosi...those 2 suck worse than 3 bushes and a cheney

[Morfin]

You keep making posts that are totally irrelevant, and smack of the maturity of a young teenager. Mccain needed Palin, because the Republicans HATE Mccain. He has "crossed the isle" too many times to be effective, and everytime the dems use him.

I don't agree with this assessment that McCain needed to select someone like Palin to "solidify the base" of hard right conservatives. Even if he had picked someone more moderate, who would those far right people have voted for? Obama? Yeah, right. They would still have voted for McCain. This is no different than the claims from the Hillary people that they would vote for McCain if Obama got the nomination. Yeah, right. Not ever going to happen.

And, that way, McCain could have still played up the Maverick moderate persona and could have had a shot at more independents. By choosing not only an imbecile but one who proved to be a lightning rod about racism and religious fanaticism, McCain lost the independents because of distate for the religious right. With that went any chance of winning the election.

Now, that assessment involves a decision based on getting the most votes. In that respect, McCain blew it, IMHO. However, the assessment is different if the issue is fundraising. McCain may have realized that he needed mega-dollars to compete with Obama and, without a solid arch-conservative, the big dollar fundraisers would "sit this one out." Out of desperation, he may have realized that he was potentially hurting his chances of winning in order to get the money, but, without the money, he had absolutely no chance of winning. Lesser of two evils.

[Yelram]

I don't agree with this assessment that McCain needed to select someone like Palin to "solidify the base" of hard right conservatives. Even if he had picked someone more moderate, who would those far right people have voted for? Obama? Yeah, right. They would still have voted for McCain. This is no different than the claims from the Hillary people that they would vote for McCain if Obama got the nomination. Yeah, right. Not ever going to happen.

And, that way, McCain could have still played up the Maverick moderate persona and could have had a shot at more independents. By choosing not only an imbecile but one who proved to be a lightning rod about racism and religious fanaticism, McCain lost the independents because of distate for the religious right. With that went any chance of winning the election.

Now, that assessment involves a decision based on getting the most votes. In that respect, McCain blew it, IMHO. However, the assessment is different if the issue is fundraising. McCain may have realized that he needed mega-dollars to compete with Obama and, without a solid arch-conservative, the big dollar fundraisers would "sit this one out." Out of desperation, he may have realized that he was potentially hurting his chances of winning in order to get the money, but, without the money, he had absolutely no chance of winning. Lesser of two evils.

No, its gonna be votes. I'm starting to get a little more confident about Mccain winning.

[Desperado]

No, its gonna be votes. I'm starting to get a little more confident about Mccain winning.

What does that put your odds at now, 20% chance?

[Insomniac]

If they hadn't gotten Palin, a lot wouldn't have turned out at all. Kerry ran as "Not Bush" and you saw how far that got him. "Nobama" wouldn't do any better.

People need something to believe in and get excited about.

[heelsguy]

mccain should have gone with the rev. wright angle from the get-go. it was a fair issue. 20 years is a long time

[Kerjack]

My grandma decided she is to old and easily confused to vote this year. -1 for McCain

[Claydon]

mccain should have gone with the rev. wright angle from the get-go. it was a fair issue. 20 years is a long time

McCain is for the most part a man of his word and a man of honor. He stated quite clearly that he would not go after obama for the rev. wright issue and he kept his word. McCain's word is pretty much solid gold in the hallways of the senate.

Obama.....hmmmmm lets not bring up his circle jerk about oh i don't know, the whole campaign finance thing.

[Desperado]

mccain should have gone with the rev. wright angle from the get-go. it was a fair issue. 20 years is a long time

Ya thats right more negative.... works wonders.

[TheImpossibleMan]

mccain should have gone with the rev. wright angle from the get-go. it was a fair issue. 20 years is a long time
Weren't you just bitching about the nastiness of the NC Senate race?

Also, McCain was morally opposed to going after Wright and felt it was a dirty politics that wasn't true and wasn't right to do.

[DjAg]

Weren't you just bitching about the nastiness of the NC Senate race?

Also, McCain was morally opposed to going after Wright and felt it was a dirty politics that wasn't true and wasn't right to do.

I think we all know if he wasn't on record of thinking that, his campaign would of been more than happy to take a few stabs at it.

[Gary_Busey]

See, I don't get why he'd say that and then try and defend those robocalls, which he decried in previous campaigns.

[BIG PIZZLE]

Desperation. Not using Rev. Wright is one of the few honorable things McCian has done in this election.

[freegood]

I'm glad he didn't make it a race thing. Not because Obama would've lost because I don't believe that, but more because it would've tore the nation apart.

For that, cons should be proud.. among the few things going for their party...

[Feng]

McCain is for the most part a man of his word and a man of honor. He stated quite clearly that he would not go after obama for the rev. wright issue and he kept his word. McCain's word is pretty much solid gold in the hallways of the senate.

Obama.....hmmmmm lets not bring up his circle jerk about oh i don't know, the whole campaign finance thing.

What about when McCain promised to run a "clean" positive and dignified campaign, free of negative ads and opponent slandering...

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[vasili denisov]

Karl Rove
Winner: Obama
Electoral College: Obama 338 McCain 200Jesus.
George Will, conservative columnist
Winner: Obama
Electoral College: Obama 378 McCain 160JE. SUS.

Huffington. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/02/election-predictions-pund_n_140149.html)

[Smuckers]

I'm sneaking off to bed, and I've never posted in this thread, but good luck Obama.

BTW, Obama just won Hart's Location in NH, a region that has not gone to a democrat for a very long time.

[mongo]

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[Deadhead Derek]

christ on a mountainbike. knock off the ron paul shit.

[Mustard]

Barack Obama is in favor of NCAAF playoff. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/03/obama-monday-night-footba_n_140767.html)

Barack Obama taped an interview with ESPN's Chris Berman that ran tonight during Monday Night Football. Obama exhorted people to vote regardless of their political preferences, and he answered questions about the long campaign and the best sports-themed advice he'd ever received. Obama, asked by Berman which rule in sports he would change if he could, very sensibly called for playoffs for college football to determine a national champion: "I am fed up with these computer rankings."


I'm not sure what it has to do with politics, but I too am also fed up with the computer rankings and want a playoff.

[mongo]

christ on a mountainbike. knock off the ron paul shit.

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[Ocelot]

Just locked in the first vote of my life. At the school where I voted they had all sorts of baked goods for sale, which kind of made me miss this area a bit more.

Also, kind of bizarre seeing old High School teachers but not remembering their names... whoops!

[heelsguy]

Weren't you just bitching about the nastiness of the NC Senate race?

Also, McCain was morally opposed to going after Wright and felt it was a dirty politics that wasn't true and wasn't right to do.

no you must be confusing me with UNC or tarheel.

McCain is now running ads about wright. so if he was going to do it, why wait 'til now? you blow your credibility and yet too little too late. it is like a basketball team saying it is not going to jack up a lot of 3 pointers bacuse they are cheap and desperate...then when down by 20 with 2 minutes left in the game, you start jacking them up from the concession stand. maybe instead of ayers, he should have focused on a shady character where you have actual video of the 'god DAMN amercia'

[Snatch]

You know what, I had Obama all along, but right now, as I'm about to get ready to vote, I'm staunchly undecided. Is there a FACE option on the ballot?

[rc113943]

just cast my ballot - go McCain!!

[kid_vidrio]

One issue I have with some of the people I've seen interviewed this AM is the suggestion that it is 'black America' that will win if BO wins.
Now, before any 'toldja soes' or the like, let me preface this by saying that I get the pendulum swing, and there is no doubt that this is a significant point, win or lose, in US history. As Vasili pointed out somewhere, a black man could have been beaten for voting less than a generation ago, and now is in serioius contention for the presidency.
With that said, it, imo, is a victory for a greater ideal, not to be embodied by a single cultural segment. It should empower African Americans to be Americans. The ism schism of color segmentation is so fucking tired. We call ourselves the melting pot?

So, win or lose, I hope this marks a move toward an understanding that anyone, anywhere can possibly rise to the top of the game and that this is not a victory for a 'we' or an 'us' to the exclusion of others.

[Stax]

Jesus.
JE. SUS.

Huffington. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/02/election-predictions-pund_n_140149.html)

FWIW I predicted 353-185.

[Snatch]

If McCain wins, how many riots do you expect?

[heelsguy]

obama will win.

if he kisses the asses of pelosi and reid and franks the repubs will regain control of congress in 2010 a la' 1994.

if he does as I HOPE, (governs from the center and tells pelosi "shut the fuck up. I won, not YOU) we might have a successful government.

[kid_vidrio]

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[Limp]

DEMOCRATS DRINK ANHEUSER BUSCH BEER!

VOTE REPUBLICAN!

[SilverBullet]

McCain....Too bad Ron Paul has no chance. I do think Obama may win it. What are the chances though, that all these white people stand behind Obama in public but in the booth vote for the white guy because they are in truth nothing but racist bastards?

[Limp]

McCain....Too bad Ron Paul has no chance. I do think Obama may win it. What are the chances though, that all these white people stand behind Obama in public but in the booth vote for the white guy because they are in truth nothing but racist bastards?
Yeah, all white people are racist bastards.

[kid_vidrio]

McCain....Too bad Ron Paul has no chance. I do think Obama may win it. What are the chances though, that all these white people stand behind Obama in public but in the booth vote for the white guy because they are in truth nothing but racist bastards?
I think the reverse is true. Many 'undecideds' don't have teh balls to say "I'm voting for Barack" but will pull that lever behind the sheet.

[Limp]

I think the reverse is true. Many 'undecideds' don't have teh balls to say "I'm voting for Barack" but will pull that lever behind the sheet.
What about someone like me who thinks polling should be illegal and said I will be voting Obama when I won't be?

[kid_vidrio]

What about someone like me who thinks polling should be illegal and said I will be voting Obama when I won't be?
What about it. They broke the mold after you Limp.

[The Dude]

I'm pissed. The polls opened at 7AM here in MA. For my precinct, I received instructions that said:

Polling Place location:
130 XXXXXXXX st, Voter entrance xxxxxxx st. Rear of Building

so at 7:55 i go across the st and walk in the rear entrance, there's a line of people snaking everywhere and it goes out the FRONT door like 3 blocks down. i had to get to work so i'm just going to have to vote later i guess.

basically you had to go to the front door to get in line. is it just me or is that the opposite of what the instructions were? I guess i'm just not sure how much of a gripe I have "officially."

[kid_vidrio]

voter suppression!!

[Limp]

basically you had to go to the front door to get in line. is it just me or is that the opposite of what the instructions were? I guess i'm just not sure how much of a gripe I have "officially."
It's cause your white.

[Limp]

Well at least everywhere except behind the zipper....

[VoxAngelikus]

Nader/Gonzales '08 FTW!!!!

[heelsguy]

What about someone like me who thinks polling should be illegal and said I will be voting Obama when I won't be?
I totally believe polling should be outlawed. so many people want to say they voted for the eventual winner. just imagine how different today would feel if no one knew who was "leading" and who was "behind"?

[nuclearjew]

Nader/Gonzales '08 FTW!!!!
I know someone who voted for Nader. Next time I see him I'm cock-punching him.

[Limp]

I know someone who voted for Nader. Next time I see him I'm cock-punching him.
No man would ever cock punch another man.

[nuclearjew]

No man would ever cock punch another man.
Ok, I'll have my old lady punch him in the cock. Like those disturbing cock-punching GIFs in the animated GIF thread.

[Limp]

I bet your old pady has been waiting to touch his cock....

[vasili denisov]

I totally believe polling should be outlawed. so many people want to say they voted for the eventual winner. just imagine how different today would feel if no one knew who was "leading" and who was "behind"?
Even if you got rid of polling, it'd be possible to get a broad sense of how the campaigns were doing; you'd have insider information about the internal polling of a campaign (which no campaign would ever stop using, and would suddenly become far more leakworthy if there were no outside polling); the money that the party committee was committing to the presidential campaign versus state races (this was one of the more ominous signs for the McCain ticket); level of participation on the ground, with the assumption that state voting will be proportional to participation in that stae - the Obama phone banks are flooded with people, the McCain banks are barren, with the ticket needing to hire workers instead of being able to rely on volunteers. The last one is a much more tangible indicator of the campaign's health than polling.

[NOTKyle]

I know someone who voted for Nader. Next time I see him I'm cock-punching him.

My roommate is voting for Nader, and I told him it was a waste of a vote. He got all self righteous and asked me why it was a waste and how it was my business.

[heelsguy]

My roommate is voting for Nader, and I told him it was a waste of a vote. He got all self righteous and asked me why it was a waste and how it was my business.

it was a waste because ross perot cost bush the election in 92 just as nader cost gore the presidency in 2000.

3rd party candidates suck. if they have no realistic chance to win, all they are is spoilers. they split the vote.

like my high school: we would always have 10 homecoming queen candidates...9 white and 1 black... and in my 4 years there we had 4 black homecoming queens

[Limp]

like my high school: we would always have 10 homecoming queen candidates...9 white and 1 black... and in my 4 years there we had 4 black homecoming queens
Whatcha got against dark meat?

[TheImpossibleMan]

There is a chance that the black girls were just the prettiest.

[Smuckers]

I just woke up. I've heard stories about machines being broken already..wtf. I just don't think [republicans] can steal this election again. Heavy turnout everywhere....YES WE CAN!!!

[Limp]

I just woke up. I've heard stories about machines being broken already..wtf. I just don't think [republicans] can steal this election again. Heavy turnout everywhere....YES WE CAN!!!
Steal the election?

You ask for negs.

[Pax Britannia]

I'm always suprised to see people have to que to vote in the states. Is there only a limited number of polling stations per state or something?

[Willam]

Not sure if this has been discussed yet (and, yes, I'm too lazy to read through 135 pages) but the thing that pisses me off the most about elections are the people outside of the polling stations pushing candidates. I mean, either they think I'm an idiot that can be swayed at the last second, or they think I show up with no clue who I'm going to vote for. Either way, it bothers me. Although, I do enjoy taking the handouts and immediately throwing them away.

[Snatch]

I get offended by liberals handing out thousands of flyers that will be trashed or littered and then talking to me about being eco-friendly. Fucking cunts.

[Smuckers]

Obama rally from VA last night

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/img/08/1103-rally6.jpg
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/img/08/1103-rally8.jpg
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/img/08/1103-rally2.jpg

[Limp]

Sure was DARK there....

[Smuckers]

Sure was DARK there....

lol..what? it's nighttime. too bad obama's speech "electrified" the crowd.

[Limp]

I was referring to the crowd.

[Smuckers]

what's dark about the crowd?

[Pax Britannia]

what's dark about the crowd?

Smuckers. Proof that in some parts of America people have begun mating with vegatables.

[Limp]

what's dark about the crowd?
The color.

[Desperado]

what's dark about the crowd?


THE BLACKS!!!!

[Willam]

Smuckers. Proof that in some parts of America people have begun mating with vegatables.

Now that's just uncalled for!!!!!









Cause I like vegetables.

[Rover]

I think the reverse is true. Many 'undecideds' don't have teh balls to say "I'm voting for Barack" but will pull that lever behind the sheet.Yes, the political courage it must take to vote for the candidate that the media showers with glowing praise and adoration. When Ted Sorenson updates Profiles in Courage the entire book should be dedicated to the Obama voters. I'm sure the undecided are afraid to declare their support for Obama.

I'm always suprised to see people have to que to vote in the states. Is there only a limited number of polling stations per state or something?It depends of your precinct. Where I vote there won't be a line, or anything longer than a 10 minute wait. In the large cities the wait can be much longer. I'm not sure what you mean by limited number of polling stations per state. There isn't only 1 polling station per state, but there also isn't an unlimited number. The process is different by state.

I'm not entirely sure about other states, but there is only 1 polling station for me to vote at. I can't vote anywhere else. I think some states might have multiple stations for you to vote, but for me there is only 1. I just don't know.

There's 50 states, 50 different voting procedures, 50 different everything. Nothing is standard. It's a clusterfuck. I'm surprised we elect anything. It's a good thing we've been perfecting the clusterfuck method of voting for 220 years.

[Archangel]

I dunno, our voter turnouts might not be record-setting by any margin, but in my 11 years as an adult in this country, I have NEVER stood in line to vote.

[Willam]

I dunno, our voter turnouts might not be record-setting by any margin, but in my 11 years as an adult in this country, I have NEVER stood in line to vote.


My wife and I went at 5:45 this morning (polls opened at 6:30) and we were 11 and 12 in line. By the time the polls actual opened, there was close to 100 in line.

[Archangel]

Wow... CNN just interviewed a McCain voter who said that she voted for him because she was against universal healthcare.

I love it that people actually like the idea of their poorer countrymen dying because they cannot afford a doctor.

[Archangel]

I dunno, our voter turnouts might not be record-setting by any margin, but in my 11 years as an adult in this country, I have NEVER stood in line to vote.

And in the same period, I have never heard one account of votes being misplaced, voting machines breaking down, or ballots being counted incorrectly. I've also never used anything but paper ballots.

[Gary_Busey]

I don't understand why people wait until the 4th when they could've done Early Voting.

[Limp]

I love it that people actually like the idea of their poorer countrymen dying because they cannot afford a doctor.
Do Illegal Mexican babies die because they can't afford healthcare? NO! They just go into the Emergency Room everytime they get a cold because hospitals CANNOT turn down someone.

[Willam]

I don't understand why people wait until the 4th when they could've done Early Voting.

I was going to vote early but the Library around the corner where I could go had a line stretching pretty far every day. I get up before 5 am for work weekdays so going to vote first thing this morning was easy.

[Gary_Busey]

It will be interesting to see the total number of people who voted. Should be huge.

[heelsguy]

Whatcha got against dark meat?

nothing.

There is a chance that the black girls were just the prettiest.

no, every black in school voted for the one black contestant....did you want an answer, or were you just making conversation?. (line from Groundhog day)

[Rover]

Wow... CNN just interviewed a McCain voter who said that she voted for him because she was against universal healthcare.

I love it that people actually like the idea of their poorer countrymen dying because they cannot afford a doctor.How do you know that's her reason for voting against universal health care? Maybe she's against it because it's unaffordable without massive tax increases. Maybe she's against it because it will ration health care. Maybe she's an older person and realizes that once health care gets rationed, older people will be last in line.

There are a myriad of reasons to be against it; not one of which is "I want poor people to die."

[Pax Britannia]

Fox just reported that black panthers are trying to stop white people from voting.

RACE WAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR

[Rover]

Well, Obama has said that he wants a Civilian Security Force that is as strong as the military.

[Limp]

Well, Obama has said that he wants a Civilian Security Force that is as strong as the military.
We have that... it's called Texas.

[dadaelus]

I don't understand why people wait until the 4th when they could've done Early Voting.

I thought about voting early but I just like the tradition of voting on election day. It's not too much of an issue here as the whole process including the wait in line was about 30 minutes. I got to hang out with neighbors and chat which would not have happened if I had gone out and voted early as the early voting stations were out of my area.

If I thought that I'd have to wait hours to get in to vote I would have taken advantage of the early vote system.

[Willam]

We have that... it's called Texas.


The US will never be invaded as long as we have rednecks, shotguns, and pickup trucks.

[rc113943]

Wow... CNN just interviewed a McCain voter who said that she voted for him because she was against universal healthcare.

I love it that people actually like the idea of their poorer countrymen dying because they cannot afford a doctor.

survival of the fittest.

i love the obama voter who said she is voting for obama so she didn't have to pay for gas in her car, or pay her mortgage. it's great that people are fucking clueless except for the color of his skin.

[Gary_Busey]

I'm pretty sure you just made that up.

[rc113943]

I'm pretty sure you just made that up.


you're right ... i did

dumbass - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI)

[Gary_Busey]

Guess not.

[Limp]

you're right ... i did

dumbass - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI)
That's clearly a Republican plant.....

[rc113943]

That's clearly a Republican plant.....

no, all the republicans were at work

[Limp]

no, all the republicans were at work
Being white?

[rc113943]

Being white?

or honest ... either way

[fuldstændigamok]

So, what time are we going to be sure that we will never hear of palin ever again? I mean, it's already tuesday night here.

[Archangel]

So, what time are we going to be sure that we will never hear of palin ever again? I mean, it's already tuesday night here.

Please. She's probably gonna run for prez in 2012.

[Pax Britannia]

She's the female Mike Huckabee. I wonder how long till she gets a show on Fox News.

[rc113943]

Please. She's probably gonna run for prez in 2012.

for the record, i think romney-palin or even palin-gilmore would stand a chance to become a good ticket in 2012 if McCain doesn't win this year's election, although Tim Gilmore would probably need some more experience for the latter ticket to win.

[fuldstændigamok]

Please. She's probably gonna run for prez in 2012.

Americans republicans are THAT stupid?

[Desperado]

Americans republicans are THAT stupid?

They nominated Palin didnt they?

[Archangel]

Americans republicans are THAT stupid?

Um, have you read some of the posts in this thread?

[Smuckers]

Americans republicans are THAT stupid?

Yes.

[Stax]

The field for Republicans in 2012 is going to be weird. Jindal and Pawlenty are still hot rising stars, Romney will still be around, we'll see how the 4 years treat Palin, who knows.

[Smuckers]

I can see a Palin-Romney or Guiliani-Romney ticket in '12.

[rc113943]

Americans republicans are THAT stupid?

Doesn't anyone realize what is happening to the Democrats right now? They are blindly voting for a man who wouldn't even have the security clearance to be part of our FBI or CIA, a man who has associated himself with racist Pastors and Terrorists, on our soil and abroad. A man who believes in increasing big government to help beat down the successful and bring up the poor who have no desire to be successful. He wants to give everything to everyone without earning anything; he has already shown signs of censoring free speech by kicking newspaper writers who sponsored McCain off his plane for the final week of campaigns. Barack Obama will destroy this economy by increasing socialism and welfare, and spending 1.3 trillion dollars in new money that will come from the people who worked the hardest to earn it. His healthcare plan will bankrupt its providers so the government will eventually run all of the healthcare system, just as his energy policies will bankrupt coal and other industries that we are dependent on for energy independence. Obama's campaign has already formed a "transitional committee" thats sole purpose is to damper the expectations of voters once he is elected, because they openly admit in internal memos that he has created unrealisitic expectations throughout his campaign. He is a liar, a socialist, and a man unfit to run this country during a time of economic hardship and war. I don't understand how someone can look at Barack Obama and question the intelligence of the Republicans in this country ...

[fuldstændigamok]

They nominated Palin didnt they?

Um, have you read some of the posts in this thread?

Tee Hee. Hey, at least they are kinda entertainning. In a sad way.

Edit: see post above (apparently) for example.

[Archangel]

Doesn't anyone realize what is happening to the Democrats right now? They are blindly voting for a man who wouldn't even have the security clearance to be part of our FBI or CIA, a man who has associated himself with racist Pastors and Terrorists, on our soil and abroad. A man who believes in increasing big government to help beat down the successful and bring up the poor who have no desire to be successful. He wants to give everything to everyone without earning anything; he has already shown signs of censoring free speech by kicking newspaper writers who sponsored McCain off his plane for the final week of campaigns. Barack Obama will destroy this economy by increasing socialism and welfare, and spending 1.3 trillion dollars in new money that will come from the people who worked the hardest to earn it. His healthcare plan will bankrupt its providers so the government will eventually run all of the healthcare system, just as his energy policies will bankrupt coal and other industries that we are dependent on for energy independence. Obama's campaign has already formed a "transitional committee" thats sole purpose is to damper the expectations of voters once he is elected, because they openly admit in internal memos that he has created unrealisitic expectations throughout his campaign. He is a liar, a socialist, and a man unfit to run this country during a time of economic hardship and war. I don't understand how someone can look at Barack Obama and question the intelligence of the Republicans in this country ...

George W Bush.


Nuff said.

[smahoo]

Guiliani has no chance of ever being a viable candidate again. Besides, the statute of limitations on hanging your entire career on 9/11 will have expired by then.

As for the serially pregnant Palin, she'll being spewing out her 9th kid by then. Won't have time, dontcha know.....

[Soup Nazi]

I can see a Palin-Romney or Guiliani-Romney ticket in '12.

Uh no, and uh no. If you think the republicans are gonna nominate a Catholic, pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, several times divorced mayor from a liberal hot bed your crazy. We all saw how well Rudy did this year, I don't see it any different the further you get away from 9/11.

Plus, Romney shouldn't have to take the backseat to Palin or any evangelical rising star. If the Repubs are smart they will all start lobbying for him behind the scenes if Obama wins today.

no you must be confusing me with UNC or tarheel.

McCain is now running ads about wright. so if he was going to do it, why wait 'til now? you blow your credibility and yet too little too late. it is like a basketball team saying it is not going to jack up a lot of 3 pointers bacuse they are cheap and desperate...then when down by 20 with 2 minutes left in the game, you start jacking them up from the concession stand. maybe instead of ayers, he should have focused on a shady character where you have actual video of the 'god DAMN amercia'

I know this is a little late, but I have not seen McCain run one ad that talks about Rev. Wright, and I think thats a good thing. We can, and everyone else can argue about how relevant that issue is, but the Rev Wright ads that have been circulating around here on tv are done by an independent republican group (National Republican Trust), that is not endorsed by McCain.

[Stax]

I can see a Palin-Romney or Guiliani-Romney ticket in '12.

If Romney was made to play second fiddle to Palin I would laugh my balls off.

More likely, I bet, is that Obama institutes a lot of his economic policy and the economic Republican candidate Romney is the most likely choice (with a Palin or Jindal as a young, hyper-social-conservative to help his ticket).

[The Dude]

it is. Ridiculous how long it takes to vote. I understand that things can only move so fast, but over an hour wait to vote is ridiculous.

[dadaelus]

I can see a Palin-Romney or Guiliani-Romney ticket in '12.

If Huckabee runs then Palin (Pentacostal) and Romney(Mormon) will be a dead ticket. Not much, relatively, has been made of in terms of her faith but in a Republican primary cycle this would get some scrutiny just as Romney's did.

[rc113943]

Doesn't anyone realize what is happening to the Democrats right now? They are blindly voting for a man who wouldn't even have the security clearance to be part of our FBI or CIA, a man who has associated himself with racist Pastors and Terrorists, on our soil and abroad. A man who believes in increasing big government to help beat down the successful and bring up the poor who have no desire to be successful. He wants to give everything to everyone without earning anything; he has already shown signs of censoring free speech by kicking newspaper writers who sponsored McCain off his plane for the final week of campaigns. Barack Obama will destroy this economy by increasing socialism and welfare, and spending 1.3 trillion dollars in new money that will come from the people who worked the hardest to earn it. His healthcare plan will bankrupt its providers so the government will eventually run all of the healthcare system, just as his energy policies will bankrupt coal and other industries that we are dependent on for energy independence. Obama's campaign has already formed a "transitional committee" thats sole purpose is to damper the expectations of voters once he is elected, because they openly admit in internal memos that he has created unrealisitic expectations throughout his campaign. He is a liar, a socialist, and a man unfit to run this country during a time of economic hardship and war. I don't understand how someone can look at Barack Obama and question the intelligence of the Republicans in this country ...

George W Bush.


Nuff said.

No, not at all. The fact that you honestly believe you can respond to that with "George W. Bush" shows you are completely ignorant to the politics of this country. It is unacceptable to accept the end of capitalism just because the former president was so unpopular that any change is viewed as good change. George W Bush has no reason to be mentioned in any discussion regarding the 2008 election, and is certaintly not an acceptable comeback for the argument against Barack Obama. Are you even fucking serious?

[The Dude]

And why the duck do handicapped people get to cut the line? They should have to wait just as long as everyone else.

[fuldstændigamok]

And why the duck do handicapped people get to cut the line? They should have to wait just as long as everyone else.

Republicans are so far down in the polls, it's only fair that they get this slight advantage.

[Stax]

it is. Ridiculous how long it takes to vote. I understand that things can only move so fast, but over an hour wait to vote is ridiculous.

You vote in MA?

If so you vote to decriminalize or whatever?

[The Dude]

You vote in MA?

If so you vote to decriminalize or whatever?yes I am registered in MA.

VOTE YES ON 2!

[Stax]

Crazy black children

q4TIitZpqv4

[Limp]

*chirrun

[The Dude]

and apparently you don't have to show any form of ID to vote...who knew?

i'm going to go back for seconds. Question 2 will pass if I have to do it myself!

[Stax]

and apparently you don't have to show any form of ID to vote...who knew?

i'm going to go back for seconds. Question 2 will pass if I have to do it myself!

They cross you off the voting roll.

[Willam]

They cross you off the voting roll.


But all you have to do is use someone else's name before they get there to vote.

[Smokestack]

Today's Polls and Final Election Projection: Obama 349, McCain 189 (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/todays-polls-and-final-election.html)

#fullpost {display:none;} It's Tuesday, November 4th, 2008, Election Day in America. The last polls have straggled in, and show little sign of mercy for John McCain. Barack Obama appears poised for a decisive electoral victory.

Our model projects that Obama will win all states won by John Kerry in 2004, in addition to Iowa, New Mexico, Colorado, Ohio, Virginia, Nevada, Florida and North Carolina, while narrowly losing Missouri and Indiana. These states total 353 electoral votes. Our official projection, which looks at these outcomes probabilistically -- for instance, assigns North Carolina's 15 electoral votes to Obama 59 percent of the time -- comes up with an incrementally more conservative projection of 348.6 electoral votes.

We also project Obama to win the popular vote by 6.1 points; his lead is slightly larger than that in the polls now, but our model accounts for the fact that candidates with large leads in the polls typically underperform their numbers by a small margin on Election Day.

This race appears to have stabilized as of about the time of the second debate in Nashville, Tennessee on October 8th. Since that time, Obama has maintained a national lead of between 6 and 8 points, with little discernible momentum for either candidate. Just as noteworthy is the fact that the number of undecided voters is now very small, representing not much more than 2-3 percent of the electorate. Undecided voters who committed over the past several weeks appear to have broken roughly equally between the two candidates.

Our model forecasts a small third-party vote of between 1 and 2 points total; it is not likely to be a decisive factor in this election except perhaps in Montana, where Ron Paul is on the ballot and may garner 4-5 percent of the vote.

Any forecasting system is only as good as its inputs, and so if the polls are systematically wrong, our projection is subject to error as well. Nevertheless, even as we account for other cycles in which the polling numbers materially missed the national popular vote margin (such as in 1980), a McCain win appears highly unlikely. It is also possible, of course, that the polls are shy in Obama's direction rather than McCain's, in which case a double-digit win is possible.

Nor does McCain appear to have much chance of winning the Electoral College while losing the popular vote; in fact, our model thinks that Obama is slightly more likely to do so. McCain diverted many of his resources to Pennsylvania, a state where he narrowed Obama's margins somewhat, but which our model concludes that Obama is now virtually certain to win. This may have allowed Obama to consolidate his margins in other battleground states, particularly Western states like Colorado and Nevada to which McCain has devoted little recent attention.

Thank you for placing your trust in FiveThirtyEight.com over the course of the past several months. We hope that you will join us both on the website and on HDNet tonight, where I'll be providing election coverage for Dan Rather's team. FiveThirtyEight intends to continue to apply our unique approach to politics after the election, and we hope to have several announcements about our future plans in the coming days and weeks.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3153/3003361762_817d144b95_o.png

[Limp]

MORE POLLS!

[rc113943]

Doesn't anyone realize what is happening to the Democrats right now? They are blindly voting for a man who wouldn't even have the security clearance to be part of our FBI or CIA, a man who has associated himself with racist Pastors and Terrorists, on our soil and abroad. A man who believes in increasing big government to help beat down the successful and bring up the poor who have no desire to be successful. He wants to give everything to everyone without earning anything; he has already shown signs of censoring free speech by kicking newspaper writers who sponsored McCain off his plane for the final week of campaigns. Barack Obama will destroy this economy by increasing socialism and welfare, and spending 1.3 trillion dollars in new money that will come from the people who worked the hardest to earn it. His healthcare plan will bankrupt its providers so the government will eventually run all of the healthcare system, just as his energy policies will bankrupt coal and other industries that we are dependent on for energy independence. Obama's campaign has already formed a "transitional committee" thats sole purpose is to damper the expectations of voters once he is elected, because they openly admit in internal memos that he has created unrealisitic expectations throughout his campaign. He is a liar, a socialist, and a man unfit to run this country during a time of economic hardship and war. I don't understand how someone can look at Barack Obama and question the intelligence of the Republicans in this country ...

George W Bush.


Nuff said.

No, not at all. The fact that you honestly believe you can respond to that with "George W. Bush" shows you are completely ignorant to the politics of this country. It is unacceptable to accept the end of capitalism just because the former president was so unpopular that any change is viewed as good change. George W Bush has no reason to be mentioned in any discussion regarding the 2008 election, and is certaintly not an acceptable comeback for the argument against Barack Obama. Are you even fucking serious?


I love this forum. Make a good point, and nobody says a fucking word, just continue to neg rep people and call them out on shit that didn't make sense in the first place, or make a stupid joke using internet slang.O RLY? fucking troll noob whatever. Typical fucking liberals bitch about everything and do not know ANYTHING.

[Pax Britannia]

http://superobamaworld.com/

[Tar Heel]

I love this forum. Make a good point, and nobody says a fucking word, just continue to neg rep people and call them out on shit that didn't make sense in the first place, or make a stupid joke using internet slang.O RLY? fucking troll noob whatever. Typical fucking liberals bitch about everything and do not know ANYTHING.

OK hows this... Dubbya failed at every single thing that he did, for his entire life, yet he got elected twice. Even if Obama is underqualified and the only ting he has going for him is his silver tongue, it's dubbya's fault he's being elected. It's the same reason Dubbya got elected ofver Gore in 2000. The people were fed up with a president that had questionable morals and family values and they put those Clinton shortcomings on Gore. The same thing could be said about this election. The people are fed up with a president that "sounds like" a complete idiot when he speaks. Thus Obama seems to be the breath of fresh air.

[Archangel]

I love this forum. Make a good point, and nobody says a fucking word, just continue to neg rep people and call them out on shit that didn't make sense in the first place, or make a stupid joke using internet slang.O RLY? fucking troll noob whatever. Typical fucking liberals bitch about everything and do not know ANYTHING.

So why do you even bother?

Go scream "communist", "ni**er" and "USA! USA!" somewhere else.

[rc113943]

OK hows this... Dubbya failed at every single thing that he did, for his entire life, yet he got elected twice. Even if Obama is underqualified and the only ting he has going for him is his silver tongue, it's dubbya's fault he's being elected. It's the same reason Dubbya got elected ofver Gore in 2000. The people were fed up with a president that had questionable morals and family values and they put those Clinton shortcomings on Gore. The same thing could be said about this election. The people are fed up with a president that "sounds like" a complete idiot when he speaks. Thus Obama seems to be the breath of fresh air.

Spoken like someone who obviously never listened to an actual John McCain speech and instead believed all the bullshit the liberal media fed him and the rest of the miniorities who have no hope in this country unless the government hands it to them on a silver fucking platter

[Claydon]

OK hows this... Dubbya failed at every single thing that he did, for his entire life, yet he got elected twice. Even if Obama is underqualified and the only ting he has going for him is his silver tongue, it's dubbya's fault he's being elected. It's the same reason Dubbya got elected ofver Gore in 2000. The people were fed up with a president that had questionable morals and family values and they put those Clinton shortcomings on Gore. The same thing could be said about this election. The people are fed up with a president that "sounds like" a complete idiot when he speaks. Thus Obama seems to be the breath of fresh air.

Obama is Carter part 2. With that said,

Bush >>>>> Kerry

[Limp]

Go scream "communist", "ni**er" and "USA! USA!" somewhere else.
Tell me more about this 'somewhere else'...

[Archangel]

Spoken like someone who obviously never listened to an actual John McCain speech and instead believed all the bullshit the liberal media fed him and the rest of the miniorities who have no hope in this country unless the government hands it to them on a silver fucking platter

So that's your definition of intelligent conversation?


Haha.

[rc113943]

So why do you even bother?

Go scream "communist", "ni**er" and "USA! USA!" somewhere else.

As I said in the other thread: Why even post in a Political forum if you have no real knowledge or interest is having an intelligent conversation about that knowledge? Why even fucking have it as part of GMF? So insecure admins can neg rep people to hell for disagreeing with them?

[Tar Heel]

Spoken like someone who obviously never listened to an actual John McCain speech and instead believed all the bullshit the liberal media fed him and the rest of the miniorities who have no hope in this country unless the government hands it to them on a silver fucking platter

yeah. you're a complete retard.

[Soup Nazi]

I love this forum. Make a good point, and nobody says a fucking word, just continue to neg rep people and call them out on shit that didn't make sense in the first place, or make a stupid joke using internet slang.O RLY? fucking troll noob whatever. Typical fucking liberals bitch about everything and do not know ANYTHING.

You showed up a little bit late to debate a lot of this. This thread over the past year has been filled with debates over Obama's ties to individuals, "socialism", his agenda on domestic issues, etc. It's been debated ad museum (By much more articulate Conservatives than you) and to think that just showing up on election day, you can "re-stir" the debate, is pretty naive.

Plus calling everyone a typical fucking liberal, probably is not helping much.

[Pax Britannia]

Arguing about the irrelevant and childish name calling have been an integral part of politics since the beginning of representative democracy.

[Archangel]

As I said in the other thread: Why even post in a Political forum if you have no real knowledge or interest is having an intelligent conversation about that knowledge? Why even fucking have it as part of GMF? So insecure admins can neg rep people to hell for disagreeing with them?

Your definition of intelligent conversation is someone regurgitating the more retarded talking points of that hillbilly Palin cunt.

Okay, Obama is a communist socialist terrorist Muslim fundamentalist (with a racist Christian pastor) who hates America and wants to tax unborn little babies.

There, you got what you wanted. GTFO.

[Tar Heel]

More like rc15@D0UCH3

[Archangel]

Doesn't "rc" stand for "remote controlled"?


Fitting, I should think.

[Pax Britannia]

Doesn't "rc" stand for "remote controlled"?


Fitting, I should think.

Are you laughing haughtily and twiddling your handlebar mustache?

Cause thats how I picture you right now.

[Archangel]

Are you laughing haughtily and twiddling your handlebar mustache?

Cause thats how I picture you right now.

http://i36.tinypic.com/2z8cmpv.jpg

[Pax Britannia]

Imperial era Germany Arch dresses better.

[Smokestack]

Obama is Carter part 2. With that said,

Bush >>>>> Kerry

Way wrong on both counts.

[Archangel]

Imperial era Germany Arch dresses better.
Don't make me put on the Armani, mother fucker.

[Claydon]

http://i36.tinypic.com/2z8cmpv.jpg

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Pax Britannia]

Don't make me put on the Armani, mother fucker.

A German in Armani?

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii85/Raptor08_2008/SS-Panzer.jpg

NEVER AGAIN!

[The Batman]

Doesn't anyone realize what is happening to the Democrats right now? They are blindly voting for a man who wouldn't even have the security clearance to be part of our FBI or CIA, a man who has associated himself with racist Pastors and Terrorists, on our soil and abroad. A man who believes in increasing big government to help beat down the successful and bring up the poor who have no desire to be successful. He wants to give everything to everyone without earning anything; he has already shown signs of censoring free speech by kicking newspaper writers who sponsored McCain off his plane for the final week of campaigns. Barack Obama will destroy this economy by increasing socialism and welfare, and spending 1.3 trillion dollars in new money that will come from the people who worked the hardest to earn it. His healthcare plan will bankrupt its providers so the government will eventually run all of the healthcare system, just as his energy policies will bankrupt coal and other industries that we are dependent on for energy independence. Obama's campaign has already formed a "transitional committee" thats sole purpose is to damper the expectations of voters once he is elected, because they openly admit in internal memos that he has created unrealisitic expectations throughout his campaign. He is a liar, a socialist, and a man unfit to run this country during a time of economic hardship and war. I don't understand how someone can look at Barack Obama and question the intelligence of the Republicans in this country ...

The problem with your post is that you sound like a Republican screaming that the end of days is coming tomorrow. Everything you posted would be something someone with a worst case scenario would say about Obama. And your making everything way too simplistic.
"increasing big government to help beat down the successful and bring up the poor who have no desire to be successful."
Come on, its not about being successful, its about the CEO's who made millions of dollars with a company that eventually went under while the everyday man got nothing. Look at my company, Wamu. The CEO who worked for a few weeks got a severence package for over 10 million, while everyone lost their 401k. There is a problem with that.
And you know what, the other side feels the exact same way about McCain. How can someone look at McCain and think that he would be a good fit in office when he chooses someone like Palin to be his running mate and lost everything he stood for in 2000. The reason no one takes you seriously or responded seriously to your post is because you just sound like that guy all the way on the right trying to find whatever they can to take down the other canidate. Granted, I know there are a lot of people on this forum site that do the same for Obama, so your not alone. Stop sounding like an alarmist and you might get a better response.

[Limp]

The problem with your post is that you sound like a Republican screaming that the end of days is coming tomorrow.
*today

[Rover]

The problem with your post is that you sound like a Republican screaming that the end of days is coming tomorrow. Everything you posted would be something someone with a worst case scenario would say about Obama. And your making everything way too simplistic.
"increasing big government to help beat down the successful and bring up the poor who have no desire to be successful."
Come on, its not about being successful, its about the CEO's who made millions of dollars with a company that eventually went under while the everyday man got nothing. Look at my company, Wamu. The CEO who worked for a few weeks got a severence package for over 10 million, while everyone lost their 401k. There is a problem with that.
And you know what, the other side feels the exact same way about McCain. How can someone look at McCain and think that he would be a good fit in office when he chooses someone like Palin to be his running mate and lost everything he stood for in 2000. The reason no one takes you seriously or responded seriously to your post is because you just sound like that guy all the way on the right trying to find whatever they can to take down the other canidate. Granted, I know there are a lot of people on this forum site that do the same for Obama, so your not alone. Stop sounding like an alarmist and you might get a better response.Right. What were you saying about RC being oversimplistic and worst case scenario? I think it got lost in the noise there somewhere.

[rc113943]

only a few hours until the polls close ... does McCain stand a chance if he doesn't get Virginia? I believe he can win NC, OH, PA, and FL ... VA scares the hell out of me and would be a terrible way for him to start

[Mustard]

http://i33.tinypic.com/6y1t12.jpg

[The Batman]

Right. What were you saying about RC being oversimplistic and worst case scenario? I think it got lost in the noise there somewhere.

Seriously? Come on. McCain is not the man that ran for office in 2000. Somewhere among the bullshit, evil McCain came out. The old McCain was a fair and balanced individual who fought for the small guy. And calling Palin a bad choice, I dare you to find someone besides Yelram & Claydon to agree with that. McCain of old could have done what Clinton did and unified the parties. He can't do that anymore because he went against his own principles. What this RC jackass wrote about was impending doom because of Obama.

[Stax]

only a few hours until the polls close ... does McCain stand a chance if he doesn't get Virginia? I believe he can win NC, OH, PA, and FL ... VA scares the hell out of me and would be a terrible way for him to start

McCain is trailing by 6 points in PA. He will not win there, and without that he has ceded 270+ electoral votes to Obama in Iowa, Colorado, New Mexico, and Virginia by abandoning his campaign there until today.

[Poop Sailboat]

So.....anyone actually vote for Ron Paul as a write-in?

[rc113943]

McCain is trailing by 6 points in PA. He will not win there, and without that he has ceded 270+ electoral votes to Obama in Iowa, Colorado, New Mexico, and Virginia by abandoning his campaign there until today.

I don't care about the polls ... I'm asking, if Obama wins VA, is the election over?

[Claydon]

I don't care about the polls ... I'm asking, if Obama wins VA, is the election over?

pretty much yes....sadly

[Claydon]

So, in a philly suburb at a polling station black panthers with billy clubs were standing at the entrance.

ummmm yyyyyyyyyah, i see the left and teh blacks are all about the fair and balanced.

[Gary_Busey]

So you're a member of the KKK?

[rc113943]

So, in a philly suburb at a polling station black panthers with billy clubs were standing at the entrance.

ummmm yyyyyyyyyah, i see the left and teh blacks are all about the fair and balanced.

vid: http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/more_video_of_the_black_panthers_in_front_of_a_pol ling_place_in_pennsylvani/

[Pox]

Suddenly, there is such thing as racially motivated voter supression.

[The Batman]

I don't care about the polls ... I'm asking, if Obama wins VA, is the election over?

I responded to your stupid little bitch session about Obama and no response?

[rc113943]

I responded to your stupid little bitch session about Obama and no response?

Sorry, I saw a quote of Rover and just scrolled by it ... Honestly, I'd rather not argue anymore and get neg repped to hell ... I'd rather just talk about the current events of the election and not get killed, ya know?

[Claydon]

Sorry, I saw a quote of Rover and just scrolled by it ... Honestly, I'd rather not argue anymore and get neg repped to hell ... I'd rather just talk about the current events of the election and not get killed, ya know?

meh, its just rep.

get 100 posts and you can get into the porno sections, that is the tits!


get it.....the tits!!!!


(rim shot)

[rc113943]

i've been part of this forum (mostly in the sports section) for over four years ... just haven't been real active since the new forums came around

[chipsahoy]

i've been part of this forum (mostly in the sports section) for over four years ... just haven't been real active since the new forums came around Lurking until the next election



sweet

[hatepoppy]

vid: http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/more_video_of_the_black_panthers_in_front_of_a_pol ling_place_in_pennsylvani/
laulz @ teh comments.

[rc113943]

sweet

no man, i've been active, i have been in the GMF Hardcore MLB fantasy league every year it was active ... i used to be really into the gambling thing ... but then i graduated college and got a job and engaged and suddenly I didn't have time for this shit as much ... i'm looking forward to you accomplishing any of those sometime in the near future!!

[Rover]

Seriously? Come on. McCain is not the man that ran for office in 2000. Somewhere among the bullshit, evil McCain came out. The old McCain was a fair and balanced individual who fought for the small guy. And calling Palin a bad choice, I dare you to find someone besides Yelram & Claydon to agree with that. McCain of old could have done what Clinton did and unified the parties. He can't do that anymore because he went against his own principles. What this RC jackass wrote about was impending doom because of Obama.Your type of noise is no different than the noise you accuse RC of. It's only that you agree with your noise and disagree with his.

McCain isn't the same man as he was in 2000. Right. That doesn't seem at all over simplific. And he's "evil" and Palin is a stupid bitch. Right. Not worst case scenario.
I don't care about the polls ... I'm asking, if Obama wins VA, is the election over?No, but it won't be good. He can potentially offset VA with PA.

As for early polls that close, I'd look for the margin in IN. Bush won by 21%.