2008 Election - Offseason

[Archangel]

What I care about is an economy that continues to grow with as little government intrusion as possible. Our fantastic government is going to sell 1 trillion in debt obligations over the next 4 months and if Obama supporters think they are getting a tax cut next year, then they are more delusional than I am when I think I am going to be a kid in a candy store when I finally get into a JPOP in Tokyo................ WAIT?!

You know, when your parents won't talk to you, your wife is fucking around, all your friends think that you're an arsehole, your colleagues refuse to work with you or do a bare minimum when forced to, and you have a standing feud with half the families in your neighbourhood, your credit card bills might not be your top priority. If they are, chances are, the people who hate you are right.

Maybe the economy will suffer in the early running.

But have you ever thought about how the rest of the world not hating your fucking guts anymore might be good for your economy in the long run? In one fell swoop, for better or worse, you got THE ENTIRE WORLD back on your side. Instantly. Doesn't that count for anything?

[AJ]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I'm almost positive he was reading a TelePrompTer.

That doesn't take away from the fact that it was still a very inspiring, impressive, and well delivered speech though.

I disagree. I don't think he was.

[Archangel]

I'm with AJ here. I was raised by a professional political speech-writer, and that did not look like a Teleprompter speech to me.

[Menace2Sobriety]

You know, when your parents won't talk to you, your wife is fucking around, all your friends think that you're an arsehole, your colleagues refuse to work with you or do a bare minimum when forced to, and you have a standing feud with half the families in your neighbourhood, your credit card bills might not be your top priority. If they are, chances are, the people who hate you are right.

Maybe the economy will suffer in the early running.

But have you ever thought about how the rest of the world not hating your fucking guts anymore might be good for your economy in the long run? In one fell swoop, for better or worse, you got THE ENTIRE WORLD back on your side. Instantly. Doesn't that count for anything?
That would have happened anyway with the clown prince of politics out of office.

Though I'm not sure Obama is gonna tank the economy. Business confidence will skyrocket.

[Mustard]

I disagree. I don't think he was.
While I would love to agree with you and say that Obama did that speech all by memory, I'm afriad that this video clearly shows that there are two prompters (one on each side) and Obama constantly is looking in their general directions.

FrXkBuWNx88

Now if they were on or not... I do not know. Maybe you are right, but it just doesn't appear so.

[Archangel]

That would have happened anyway with the clown prince of politics out of office.

For better or worse, the rest of the world was convinced that a McCain administration would have been 4 more years of Bush.

It would have been like Germany voting for the nazis again in 1948, basically, dead Hitler or not.

[Mustard]

So I'm trolling on www.freerepublic.com (http://www.freerepublic.com) , to get a feel of how the lunatic fringe of the GOP is handling defeat. To sum it up: Very poorly. They are blaming everybody under the Sun, including John McCain, Barack Obama, W, Sarah Palin, Acorn, Kenya, Muslims, stupid American citizens, communists, socialists, Big Brother, the MSM, Rush, Hannity, Karl Rove, and that is just a taste of the blame game going on. Its really quite funny, and yet so sad and pathetic at the same time. The racism is astounding there, and so is the outright fear (if not terror) of an Obama administration.

Take a look if you have a moment at the sad state of affairs they are embroiled in. It should definitely give you a good chuckle or two.

[Archangel]

To retards stuck forever in the past, nothing is scarier than the signs of time having moved on, for it signals their impending obsolescence.

[AJ]

To retards stuck forever in the past, nothing is scarier than the signs of time having moved on, for it signals their impending obsolescence.

That could have been a quote for the times, even though you're not famous, if you wouldn't have said "retards" and used something more PC.

[Archangel]

Replace it with "people".

[AJ]

Replace it with "people".

I agree, fuck PC, but I was just saying how it is with the times right now. That was a great quote.

[Archangel]

*bows*


It's true, though. Nobody is pettier and more vicious than people who cannot understand that paradigms have shifted. They literally cannot understand why people don't agree with them, since it's SO OBVIOUS!... The fall of communism must have been fucking ugly.

[Mustard]

To retards stuck forever in the past, nothing is scarier than the signs of time having moved on, for it signals their impending obsolescence.
Well that fear is wholly manifest among the mouth breathers, and it is plain to see they are now going through the X stages of grief. This election was a great referendum on conservative politics in the US, basically, that if it isn't dead yet, its dying and that is also plain to see.

Now we will begin to see a shift of a small group of moderate republicans over to the fringe, but a large shift of moderate republicans to the center, while the democrats can now solidify their growing base with newcommer moderates and maybe even some turncoat republicans.

I have a feeling the new GOP will be largely made up of the Sarah Palin type, (warmonger, racist, uneducated, evangelical, redneck, etc) and that they will solidify into an unbreakable 25-30% group of Americans. When moderate Dems and GOPers started seeing that shift to the far right, Sarah Palinesque style politics, the center right and center left got frightened by that, as a result they voted for Barack Obama, and we saw the early result of that shift during this election. So now I really think there is a strong chance these disenfranchised moderate Republicans who hate the Sarah Palin type will strongly move towards either a Libertarian type party, or they will become indys, further removing more of the core base from the GOP.

I guess time will tell though.

[dadaelus]

So I'm trolling on www.freerepublic.com (http://www.freerepublic.com) , to get a feel of how the lunatic fringe of the GOP is handling defeat. To sum it up: Very poorly. They are blaming everybody under the Sun, including John McCain, Barack Obama, W, Sarah Palin, Acorn, Kenya, Muslims, stupid American citizens, communists, socialists, Big Brother, the MSM, Rush, Hannity, Karl Rove, and that is just a taste of the blame game going on. Its really quite funny, and yet so sad and pathetic at the same time. The racism is astounding there, and so is the outright fear (if not terror) of an Obama administration.

Take a look if you have a moment at the sad state of affairs they are embroiled in. It should definitely give you a good chuckle or two.

Favorite headline from there:



Jeb Bush in 2012 (Vanity) (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2125293/posts)

Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:20:28 PM · by MinorityRepublican (http://www.freerepublic.com/%7Eminorityrepublican/) · 82 replies (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2125293/posts#comment) · 2,154+ views
Yes, we lost tonight. But let's regroup for 2012 and come back stronger than ever. That's why I support Jeb Bush, he was a popular governor of Florida and he'll win the battleground state easily. Also, in four years from now with President-elect Obama's disastrous policies, people would welcome another Bush in the White House for a return of stability.

[Archangel]

Hahahaha.


If these people think that America will ever vote for a Bush again, they're the most deluded mother fuckers on Earth. America would rather vote for a Castro at this juncture.

[Mustard]

Hahahaha.


If these people think that America will ever vote for a Bush again, they're the most deluded mother fuckers on Earth. America would rather vote for a Castro at this juncture.
See, I wasn't kiddnig. That site is chock full of crazy lunatics. That is why i LOVE trolling there... For the lulz.

[Archangel]

I'm just checking the international reactions to the election.


Congratulations, America: In one night, you have turned from the most hated nation on earth to the most respected.

[Mustard]

I'm just checking the international reactions to the election.


Congratulations, America: In one night, you have turned from the most hated nation on earth to the most respected.
It really is interesting how that world opinion can flip so quickly. I don't deny it... but damn, it is surreal.

High expectations. This is my greatest worry now; can Obama live up to them? He is certainly inspiring, and I believe whole-heartedly in what he says he wants to do for the country and the world abroad. I just hope now, with the help of Congress, that real change from the horrendous policies of the past 8 years can happen swiftly, to unite not only the US, but the world as well, and we can all being the long process of recovering from the multitude of failures that was the George W Bush administration.

[Archangel]

I'm waiting for the Yeller reactions.

"Who gives a fuck that those smelly foreigners like us? HE'S GONNA RAISE YOUR TAXES!!! CAN'T YOU SEEE?!!?! WE'RE DOOOOMED!!!1" It's their utter failure to grasp the larger picture that both amuses and astounds me.

[Archangel]

I'm re-watching McCain's concession speech, and he was the epitome of being gracious in defeat.

The people there booing all the damn time, not so much.

[Mustard]

While the facts are that the GOP got slaughtered last night, America took a step forward.

I think most people will be able to understand that. I think most people will see the resounding Democratic victory as a repudiation of the GOP and their failed policies. The majority speaks in this nation, and they just said in one loud voice, "You can take those four more years and shove them up your ass!"

[heelsguy]

Well that fear is wholly manifest among the mouth breathers, and it is plain to see they are now going through the X stages of grief. This election was a great referendum on conservative politics in the US, basically, that if it isn't dead yet, its dying and that is also plain to see.

Now we will begin to see a shift of a small group of moderate republicans over to the fringe, but a large shift of moderate republicans to the center, while the democrats can now solidify their growing base with newcommer moderates and maybe even some turncoat republicans.

I have a feeling the new GOP will be largely made up of the Sarah Palin type, (warmonger, racist, uneducated, evangelical, redneck, etc) and that they will solidify into an unbreakable 25-30% group of Americans. When moderate Dems and GOPers started seeing that shift to the far right, Sarah Palinesque style politics, the center right and center left got frightened by that, as a result they voted for Barack Obama, and we saw the early result of that shift during this election. So now I really think there is a strong chance these disenfranchised moderate Republicans who hate the Sarah Palin type will strongly move towards either a Libertarian type party, or they will become indys, further removing more of the core base from the GOP.

I guess time will tell though.

the country is center-right. I think the bigger worry is that the far left and left-center will over reach and in the process pull a "1994". the country will not tolerate either party taking the country too far to the left --or right.

the "republican party" and "the conservative movement" used to mean the same thing, but over these last 4 years it changed. those same people who embraced lower taxes, smaller government are still there, but their party left them. so they voted for something different. and it just so happened that "option" was very eloquent and inspiring.

but you talk about the "what if'ing" going on. at least repubs blame themselves and everyone else. in 2000 and 2004 the only dem's that dems's blamed for those losses even in passing were themselves in a self-serving way for "not having fought dirty like rove"...

[Mustard]

the country is center-right. I think the bigger worry is that the far left and left-center will over reach and in the process pull a "1994". the country will not tolerate either party taking the country too far to the left --or right.

the "republican party" and "the conservative movement" used to mean the same thing, but over these last 4 years it changed. those same people who embraced lower taxes, smaller government are still there, but their party left them. so they voted for something different. and it just so happened that "option" was very eloquent and inspiring.

but you talk about the "what if'ing" going on. at least repubs blame themselves and everyone else. in 2000 and 2004 the only dem's that dems's blamed for those losses even in passing were themselves in a self-serving way for "not having fought dirty like rove"...
I stopped reading past your first sentence. The USA is not center right, and the election is a clear example of this.

The "most liberal" senator is now the President-Elect. The Senate will now consist of no fewer than 55 Democrats, and the House will consist of no fewer than 254 Democrats. Yet the nation is still center right? I'm sorry to be the one to make this point clear, but that assessment is just not correct anymore. The US clearly has progressed to either dead center, or slightly center left.

I guess as far as world politics go though, you're still right. Hell, we're far right compared to pretty much every single European nation.

[Archangel]

Millions of Americans are celebrating on the streets, not about a sports event, but a fucking ELECTION, and some grumpy mother fuckers have nothing better to than to call them all idiots.

[Axel]

USA! USA! USA!

Congratulations!

For now on, don’t ever let any of us eurofags call your nation backward, racist, bible trumping, intolerant, easy-being-intimidated-by-fear or lacking conscious!


America has reinvented itself one more time. I'm not sure if you can't imagine a tectonic shift in perception of USA worldwide right now.

***

At that point, I have to honor McCain for being a tough opponent, yet preserving his dignity. Old man had to drag a heavy burden behind him - without Bush and Palin, Obama would have less chances.

In his last speech alone he did more for Republican cause and America than Bush during his whole presidency.

What a race!!!

[Archangel]

So, America, how does it feel to be part of the global community again?

[heelsguy]

So, America, how does it feel to be part of the global community again?


so all these years we spend billions on other countries counted for nothing. and 12 hours after a dem is elected we are now part of the club again. hilarious. wow, how fucking arrogant.

and sink, the USA IS center-right. millions living in nyc and calif do not make the country

[hatepoppy]

so all these years we spend billions on other countries counted for nothing. and 12 hours after a dem is elected we are now part of the club again. hilarious. wow, how fucking arrogant.
its funny to think it was FOR other countries. im callin bullshit. you dont spend trillions on a moral crusade. you do it to get something in return.

[Archangel]

I'm pretty sure you spent more on bombing other countries than on helping them. Your official policy of the past 8 years was, "allies? What allies?" The fact that Obama recognises, in every one of his speeches, the need to repair these carelessly broken alliances alone makes him popular here.


You honestly do not realise how much the world hated Bush's America, do you?




Oh, and another thing. What is this pessimism? All this, "he's gonna fuck everything up - starting with my wallet" rubbish.

Every crisis it has faced, no matter how grave, America elected the right man for the job. Every time, it came out stronger. The Civil War. The Depression. World War II. The Cold War - Lincoln, Roosevelt, Reagan - there's this belief of the people in the American spirit that every time rights the ship, no matter the list.

So why the pessimism now?

[hatepoppy]

and as my state is so typically republican and is now showing an obama lead, i'm not sure tradition matters. everyone wanted bush out.

my point is, whatever we were in history, we all wanted bush out. mccain wouldnt have goten that done.

and for the record, i didnt vote. suck it.

[heelsguy]

its funny to think it was FOR other countries. im callin bullshit. you dont spend trillions on a moral crusade. you do it to get something in return.

i am not taking about the iraq war.

of course you make friends when you give financial aid, but what was Bush's administraions "angle" in greatly increasing aids $ to africa? even Bono praises that.

or when the tsunami hit thailand on dec 24th 2004 and killed 1/4 million people, the US jumped in with money. what was our angle there? no country gives as much as the U.S.

[Axel]

so all these years we spend billions on other countries counted for nothing. and 12 hours after a dem is elected we are now part of the club again. hilarious. wow, how fucking arrogant.
Heelsguy, those trillions of dollars were wasted because of the nonsensical* Bush foreign policy, while exhausting US financial system - and consequently a global one as well. Islamic world has being radicalized during that period, instead of being moderated – a whole world will have to live with that for a long time.

* some had their sense in it

[Archangel]

I thought it was December 26th...


And the problem wasn't Iraq per se, it was a failure - unwillingness, inability, whatever you want to call it - to LISTEN to your allies. To interpret every instance of criticism from your friends as a "you're on the side of the terrorists" petty gayness.

If you honestly believe that Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld's policies didn't isolate America on the world stage, you need to have your head checked.

[Archangel]

People all around the world - people who might have been burning American flags - were up until 6am chanting "U-S-A!", for fuck's sake.


Doesn't that mean anything to you? Doesn't that make you - rightfully - proud to be an American? Revel in the love.

[heelsguy]

People all around the world - people who might have been burning American flags - were up until 6am chanting "U-S-A!", for fuck's sake.


Doesn't that mean anything to you? Doesn't that make you - rightfully - proud to be an American? Revel in the love.


the same people who burned are NOT the same ones cheering today. that is an idiotic statement. bush was going to be leaving office in january either way. so let me get this straight. because a moderate like mccain was NOT elected, the world loves us and lets us back "in the club"? or is it because we voted for a black man?

[Axel]

Heelsguy, does that means anything to you: If the world could vote (http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/results)

Believe me, all those blue areas don't represent only Jihadists.


PS: WTF is with FYROM?

[Archangel]

the same people who burned are NOT the same ones cheering today. that is an idiotic statement. bush was going to be leaving office in january either way. so let me get this straight. because a moderate like mccain was NOT elected, the world loves us and lets us back "in the club"? or is it because we voted for a black man?

Hence, the word "might". I should have added "at some point in the future".


You can't win the hearts of zealots. But you can win the hearts of people before they turn to radicalism. Through showing them a better example. By showing them that America is a force of good in the world. Through decency and integrity.

And if you don't understand why the world is enthusiastic about this, I honestly cannot help you.

[Skybase]

From many sources the world wanted Obama for our country. Regardless of Bush leaving office either way.

One source http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7606100.stm

I've seen similar surveys for months. I personally feel proud to see such support from around the globe. Haven't seen that in a long time.

[SilverBullet]

Obama won't last a year. I'm not happy with the election but I don't wish him dead. Sad to say that some racist fuckwad is going to try and take him out.

[Archangel]

Holy fuck but that McCain speech was awesome. What integrity. What courage. What graciousness. What dedication to service. Calling Obama "my president" in front of people who think he's the anti-christ? Jesus Christ, that took guts.

[SilverBullet]

I bet McCain feels like he is a POW again.

[heelsguy]

Holy fuck but that McCain speech was awesome. What integrity. What courage. What graciousness. What dedication to service. Calling Obama "my president" in front of people who think he's the anti-christ? Jesus Christ, that took guts.

THAT's the man I voted for last wednesday!

But he had

1) The worst campaign management I have ever seen
2). Palin took the ticket from 10 down to 5 up...prior to the 9-15-08 stock crash and mccain's "fundamentally sound" faus paux.
3). Mccain spent 25 years building his "brand"and then they screwed-up selling that brand to america at the same moment the economy crashed and a charismatic, brilliant black man was running.
4). people like changing our parties in power. it is human nature.

so would the world be celebrating if hillary had been elected? is it all about bush or not?

[SilverBullet]

I'd rather have Hilary in office.

[Le Goat]

This is still news?

[UNC]

Barock!

[UNC]

The American People get what they want! Now let's see if the American people are dumbasses!

[Archangel]

THAT's the man I voted for last wednesday!

But he had

1) The worst campaign management I have ever seen
2). Palin took the ticket from 10 down to 5 up...prior to the 9-15-08 stock crash and mccain's "fundamentally sound" faus paux.
3). Mccain spent 25 years building his "brand"and then they screwed-up selling that brand to america at the same moment the economy crashed and a charismatic, brilliant black man was running.
4). people like changing our parties in power. it is human nature.

so would the world be celebrating if hillary had been elected? is it all about bush or not?
I'm pretty sure Hillary would have been cheered, as well; but in Europe, the idea of a female head of state/government is nothing new, let alone revolutionary. I mean, the Brits had Thatcher (and Queen Victoria!), and right now, a woman is arguably the most powerful person in Europe (and will be for 5 more years, if I have any say in it).

But, you see, despite your misgivings, the world believes in America. You ARE a beacon to the rest of us. We NEED to love you. And the fact that only 50 years after black people in America were beaten and killed for trying to vote, 150 years after they were considered property, less than human (and remember that to us, 150 years is the blink of an eye - just ask the French about 1871), your country elected a black man to its presidency shows us that the American promise is alive.

America is a promise as much as a geographic location. Our countries are grounded in history, most of it of enmity, war and strife; no other country was built from the bottom up as an idea. We were shaped by myriad shifting outside forces, from the Roman Empire to the World Wars; you shaped yourselves. You and you alone. And while we obviously don't care much about your tax rates or such, we care about that promise. The undying optimism, the unshakeable belief in yourselves, the promise that there is nothing that cannot be accomplished by your great nation - and by following your example, by ours. That the evolution of the human spirit is an ongoing process.

It's the awesome power of that great document of mankind, your Constitution, and the fact that it is not a mere set of laws to you, but defines who you are. It's what drives you, it's what makes you realise your mistakes and gets you out of any crisis or hardship, ever stronger than before. I believe that there are two sets of words that, understood correctly through constant and careful exegesis, through untiring attempts to apply them to an ever changing world, are mankind's greatest hope:

The words of Jesus Christ;

and the words of the Founding Fathers of the United States of America.

[Willam]

I'm pretty sure Hillary would have been cheered, as well; but in Europe, the idea of a female head of state/government is nothing new, let alone revolutionary. I mean, the Brits had Thatcher (and Queen Victoria!), and right now, a woman is arguably the most powerful person in Europe (and will be for 5 more years, if I have any say in it).

But, you see, despite your misgivings, the world believes in America. You ARE a beacon to the rest of us. We NEED to love you. And the fact that only 50 years after black people in America were beaten and killed for trying to vote, 150 years after they were considered property, less than human (and remember that to us, 150 years is the blink of an eye - just ask the French about 1871), your country elected a black man to its presidency shows us that the American promise is alive.

America is a promise as much as a geographic location. Our countries are grounded in history, most of it of enmity, war and strife; no other country was built from the bottom up as an idea. We were shaped by myriad shifting outside forces, from the Roman Empire to the World Wars; you shaped yourselves. You and you alone. And while we obviously don't care much about your tax rates or such, we care about that promise. The undying optimism, the unshakeable belief in yourselves, the promise that there is nothing that cannot be accomplished by your great nation - and by following your example, by ours. That the evolution of the human spirit is an ongoing process.

It's the awesome power of that great document of mankind, your Constitution, and the fact that it is not a mere set of laws to you, but defines who you are. It's what drives you, it's what makes you realise your mistakes and gets you out of any crisis or hardship, ever stronger than before. I believe that there are two sets of words that, understood correctly through constant and careful exegesis, through untiring attempts to apply them to an ever changing world, are mankind's greatest hope:

The words of Jesus Christ;

and the words of the Founding Fathers of the United States of America.


WOW! I feel like I should have had my hand over my heart when I read this. Can I go back to yesterday and write-in Arch???

[UNC]

I'm sure it's somewhat of a backhanded compliment. Like, "you guys are trying your best to fuck up our image of America"...I say this because I read arch's posts with that kinda lean, but it was the most pro-america thing I have ever heard him say.

God Bless Arch

[Limp]

Al Qaeda stole the election!

[kid_vidrio]

Hahahaha.


If these people think that America will ever vote for a Bush again, they're the most deluded mother fuckers on Earth. America would rather vote for a Castro at this juncture.
Actually, I'd probably vote for a Bush/Romney mix. There's at least a good chance I would. Jeb got screwed. If he had gotten the nod from daddy in 2000, the world would be a different place imo.

[UNC]

McCain needs to step up to plate and let us know about those ads...you know the ones, where if Obama is elected we are gonna be targets and terroists are gonna fuck with us, he needs to come out and say, "I was juz bullshittin".

[fuldstændigamok]

Obama's acceptance speech, McCain's concession speech for those interested

http://rapidshare.com/files/160847397/obama081104.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/160868169/mmcain081104.rar

[Archangel]

Yeah, because those videos won't be all over the bleedin' internet for all time to come.

[Yelram]

I'm pretty sure Hillary would have been cheered, as well; but in Europe, the idea of a female head of state/government is nothing new, let alone revolutionary. I mean, the Brits had Thatcher (and Queen Victoria!), and right now, a woman is arguably the most powerful person in Europe (and will be for 5 more years, if I have any say in it).

But, you see, despite your misgivings, the world believes in America. You ARE a beacon to the rest of us. We NEED to love you. And the fact that only 50 years after black people in America were beaten and killed for trying to vote, 150 years after they were considered property, less than human (and remember that to us, 150 years is the blink of an eye - just ask the French about 1871), your country elected a black man to its presidency shows us that the American promise is alive.

America is a promise as much as a geographic location. Our countries are grounded in history, most of it of enmity, war and strife; no other country was built from the bottom up as an idea. We were shaped by myriad shifting outside forces, from the Roman Empire to the World Wars; you shaped yourselves. You and you alone. And while we obviously don't care much about your tax rates or such, we care about that promise. The undying optimism, the unshakeable belief in yourselves, the promise that there is nothing that cannot be accomplished by your great nation - and by following your example, by ours. That the evolution of the human spirit is an ongoing process.

It's the awesome power of that great document of mankind, your Constitution, and the fact that it is not a mere set of laws to you, but defines who you are. It's what drives you, it's what makes you realise your mistakes and gets you out of any crisis or hardship, ever stronger than before. I believe that there are two sets of words that, understood correctly through constant and careful exegesis, through untiring attempts to apply them to an ever changing world, are mankind's greatest hope:

The words of Jesus Christ;

and the words of the Founding Fathers of the United States of America.

I dont know which is funnier, the manipulation of the blacks, the manipulation of the people with white guilt, or the manipulation of the Europeans. This guy has made you all believe that he's something different than a politician. In the eyes of the world, the US has been vindicated on Iraq, can you say, bad cop, good cop? The idea of regime change in Iraq was floated in the Clinton administration, they just wanted the Republican brand to take the fall for actually doing it. Just like they blamed Nixon for Vietnam, and yet Kennedy and LBJ were the "good guys". This is just more of media coverage, and image, defining who holds political power. The problem is, we just dont know what Barack is going to do. His actual positions have been buried under a flurry of patriotic race baiting, and "we shall overcome" rhetoric. I feel that many are going to wake up from their little fairy tale with a bit of buyers remorse.

[fuldstændigamok]

Yeah, dumbass is awake.

[Limp]

Yelram, don't suffer for 4 years.... just off yourself today.

[Archangel]

Yawn.

[Pax Britannia]

Remember remember the fifth of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
Should ever be forgot...

[Yelram]

McCain needs to step up to plate and let us know about those ads...you know the ones, where if Obama is elected we are gonna be targets and terroists are gonna fuck with us, he needs to come out and say, "I was juz bullshittin".

And I guess Biden should recant his remarks as well? Do you want to live in la la land where suddenly, since we elected Barack, Islamic extremists arent celebrating as well? In the mind of the Muslim world, we just conceded defeat on some many levels.

[Archangel]

Remember remember the fifth of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
Should ever be forgot...

Ahem.

Happy Guy Fawkes Day, everyone!

Remember, remember...

[Pax Britannia]

Ahem.

As the only Brit around these days I reserve the right to announce Guy Fawkes Day.

[Archangel]

It's funny that when I criticise some of the more retarded aspects of the Republican base, Yelram calls me an America-hater. When I declare my undying love for the American Constitution and the spirit it has created, he bashes me for having been duped by a con artist.

Yeller, just wondering, are you pathologically allergic to being happy?

[Limp]

More like Gay Fucks day....

[UNC]

And I guess Biden should recant his remarks as well? Do you want to live in la la land where suddenly, since we elected Barack, Islamic extremists arent celebrating as well? In the mind of the Muslim world, we just conceded defeat on some many levels.

I guess it's too late for us to do anything about it. Either you believe 100 percent all of what you say and should leave this country that has betrayed your beliefs or you should stand next to your fellow american and trust in them that they know the way our country should go for a better tomorrow.

[Pax Britannia]

More like Gay Fucks day....

Thats the Canadian version.

[Desperado]

This guy has made you all believe that he's something different than a politician. In the eyes of the world, the US has been vindicated on Iraq, can you say, bad cop, good cop? The idea of regime change in Iraq was floated in the Clinton administration, they just wanted the Republican brand to take the fall for actually doing it. Just like they blamed Nixon for Vietnam, and yet Kennedy and LBJ were the "good guys"..

Wow... just wow.


you guys would laugh me out of the thread.

[Yelram]

It's funny that when I criticise some of the more retarded aspects of the Republican base, Yelram calls me an America-hater. When I declare my undying love for the American Constitution and the spirit it has created, he bashes me for having been duped by a con artist.

Yeller, just wondering, are you pathologically allergic to being happy?
I cant be happy or sad until Barack does something. Unless you feel that the hiring of a black person to a high position is something to feel all gooey inside about. Like I said, if I get the "Barack Obama" that his image is portraying right now, i'll certainly be happy, I just dont buy the hype. This guy is going to be able to do whatever he wants, get it rubber stamped in the congress, and then have it whitewashed by the media. Either way he swings politically, this guy could be dangerous. I find it funny that many of the things Barack has in common with Bush are not even focused on by the media. When Bush wanted "faith based initiatives" the media called him a theological dictator. When Barack endorsed them, he was a "brilliant, well spoken black man". We all know he's a "brilliant, well spoken black man", that doesnt make the position change all of the sudden. Its scary the people who are going to support everything that flows out of his mouth, regardless of how nonsensical it may be.

[VoxAngelikus]

Wow, some of you conservatives are some petty mother fuckers. How the fuck is your reaction to the overwhelming election of a new president gonna be, "I hope he fucks up our country so bad you're all gonna be sucking my dick when I say I told you so"?

Anybody think that it's precisely this kind of attitude that puts them out of touch with what America really is?

Somebody said something tonight that really stuck with me. The GOP's problem in this election was that they kept referring to the white, rural, religious nut-job, not terribly educated, and why not, bigoted gun-crazy parts of the US as the "real" America; what if the "real" America actually has moved on, and is now a bunch of cosmopolitans from every race and every creed? What if the "real" America is that of 2008, not that of 1850?

As an American, shouldn't you look at this development with pride and think, "holy shit, this is what it was supposed to be about all along"?


You touch (my penis....) No...

You touch on two very important things here, Arch:

First, the conservative reaction to Obama's victory will no doubt be as sickening as all the anti-Obama proselytizing that preceded the election. Pundits like Rush and Hannity and Coulter and Ingraham will no doubt decry the Obama administration from today forward. And that is very depressing. I am all for everyone having the right to establish their own opinion, and if someone's opinion is different than mine, that's okay. That's one of the good things about America. We can all agree to disagree.

But if this election serves only to further party divisions within our government then we are missing a tremendous chance to attempt to bring our country together at a time when we sorely need more unity.

Second, the "real" America that the McCain/Palin ticket appealed to (Palin especially) is not the real America anymore. There is a harsh cultural division between our metropolitan areas and our more rural areas. I enjoy and encourage the mixing of cultures. I like that in a single day I can cross the path of someone from India, Central America, Africa, Korea, Pakistan or anywhere else in the world.

A lot of people in my country don't see it that way. They see brown and white and yellow and if it ain't white, then it ain't white. That's not the America I want the world equating me with. And Barack Obama, to me, has always been the one candidate that had the ability to inspire the kind of change required to restore the way the U.S. is seen at home and abroad. And unfortunately, probably some bigoted religious nut-job with a gun will try to stop that change. Because that demographic doesn't see this change as a good thing; they view change with the fear and dread that goes hand in hand with their weak-minded ways of thinking.

[Tar Heel]

I guess it's too late for us to do anything about it. Either you believe 100 percent all of what you say and should leave this country that has betrayed your beliefs or you should stand next to your fellow american and trust in them that they know the way our country should go for a better tomorrow.

I said pretty much the same thing the 1st and reluctantly the 2nd time Dubbya was elected. I agree that no matter what has gone on in the last few months, America will have a new president and he will be our president even if we didn't vote for him. All true americans should pray or hope for the best for him and our country.

[Yelram]

Wow... just wow.

If you think the democratic side isnt full of the same weasels that are on the republican side, you are totally a sycophant. They are just as rich, and they are just as invested in their self interests. The difference? They pretend to care about the little guy. And people buy that.

[Limp]

I just repped Yelram.

EDIT** The post before this one ^^

[Archangel]

Because that demographic doesn't see this change as a good thing; they view change with the fear and dread that goes hand in hand with their weak-minded ways of thinking.

Exactly my thoughts.

To retards stuck forever in the past, nothing is scarier than the signs of time having moved on, for it signals their impending obsolescence.

[UNC]

Dole got her ass whipped. Serves her right for that dirty ass campaign.

[Tar Heel]

I cant be happy or sad until Barack does something. Unless you feel that the hiring of a black person to a high position is something to feel all gooey inside about. Like I said, if I get the "Barack Obama" that his image is portraying right now, i'll certainly be happy, I just dont buy the hype. This guy is going to be able to do whatever he wants, get it rubber stamped in the congress, and then have it whitewashed by the media. Either way he swings politically, this guy could be dangerous. I find it funny that many of the things Barack has in common with Bush are not even focused on by the media. When Bush wanted "faith based initiatives" the media called him a theological dictator. When Barack endorsed them, he was a "brilliant, well spoken black man". We all know he's a "brilliant, well spoken black man", that doesnt make the position change all of the sudden. Its scary the people who are going to support everything that flows out of his mouth, regardless of how nonsensical it may be.

I really think that, at this point, you can drop the "black" part and just call Obama one of the best public speakers of our time. Regardless of whether you agree with his beliefs, it's hard not to be a little captivated by his speaches. And that's something that is the biggest contrast to Dubbya. Not race. Not party. But a quality speaker and salesman. And I say salesman because that's what happend in America yesterday that we haven't seen in some time. America bought into Obama's perceived leadership and vision for the country because he was effectively able to sell it.

[Desperado]

If you think the democratic side isnt full of the same weasels that are on the republican side, you are totally a sycophant. They are just as rich, and they are just as invested in their self interests. The difference? They pretend to care about the little guy. And people buy that.


I actually quoted you as saying Clinton really wanted to invade Iraq, but he wanted the next republican administration to do it... so they could take the blame. Amazing...

[Tar Heel]

Dole got her ass whipped. Serves her right for that dirty ass campaign.

I voted libertarian in that race. They both were pretty filthy cunts.

[UNC]

I guess calling Hayden Godless didn't sway the vote

[UNC]

And Bev Perdue is one too

[Candycane]

I couldn't be happier today and I have no "white guilt" , in fact that little phrase is getting ridiculous.

[Archangel]

I really think that, at this point, you can drop the "black" part and just call Obama one of the best public speakers of our time. Regardless of whether you agree with his beliefs, it's hard not to be a little captivated by his speaches. And that's something that is the biggest contrast to Dubbya. Not race. Not party. But a quality speaker and salesman. And I say salesman because that's what happend in America yesterday that we haven't seen in some time. America bought into Obama's perceived leadership and vision for the country because he was effectively able to sell it.

Exactly. No matter what he does, the fact that he has galvanised a nation that by all rights should be disillusioned all to hell is an achievement in itself.

[Archangel]

I guess calling Hayden Godless didn't sway the vote

Anakin Skywalker IS God!!!

[Desperado]

Here they come....


World leaders congratulate Obama (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/05/world-leaders-congratulate-obama/)
Posted: 07:10 AM ET
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/11/05/art.ehud.olmert.gi.jpg Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert was among many world leaders to congratulate Obama.

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(CNN) – World leaders rushed to congratulate Democrat Barack Obama on Wednesday following his historic win in the 2008 U.S. presidential election. The following are their statements on the president-elect.

Chinese President Hu Jintao:
"The Chinese government and I have always attached great importance to the Sino-U.S. relations. In the new historical period, I look forward to endeavor together with you … to continue to strengthen the dialogue and communication between the two countries, to enhance mutual trust and cooperation, to push the Sino-U.S. constructive cooperation relations to a new level, in order to better benefit the two people and the peoples of the world."
Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao:
"The good relationship between China and the United States is the shared hope of people of the two countries, it is also needed in the safeguarding of the peace, stability and prosperity of Asia-Pacific region and the world.
"… Through the common endeavor of both countries, the constructive cooperation relationship between China and the United States will definitely acquire new development."
British Prime Minister Gordon Brown:
"I would like to offer my sincere congratulations to Barack Obama on winning the presidency of the United States. I would also like to pay tribute to Senator McCain who fought a good campaign and has shown the characteristic dignity that has marked a lifetime of service to his country.
"The relationship between the United States and the United Kingdom is vital to our prosperity and security. Barack Obama ran an inspirational campaign, energizing politics with his progressive values and his vision for the future. I know Barack Obama and we share many values. We both have determination to show that government can act to help people fairly through these difficult times facing the global economy. And I look forward to working extremely closely with him in the coming months and years."
Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga:
"The significance of this victory will resonate with hundreds of millions of people around the world. It is indeed time for global renewal.
"The strong message of hope and a vision of a world united in dealing with global challenges delivered by the president-elect in his campaigns is admirable, timely and welcome. The perseverance and endurance that the president-elect has shown during his campaigns is an inspiration to the world.
"The people of Kenya wish the president-elect and the people of America every success in their endeavors in the years to come. There can be no doubt that America is indeed 'a nation conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. '"
German Chancellor Angela Merkel:
"My sincere congratulations on your historic victory in the presidential election.
"The world faces meaningful challenges at the start of your term in office. I'm convinced that through a close and trusting cooperation between the United States and Europe we will be able to confront new risks and challenges in a decisive manner and will be able to take advantage of the numerous opportunities that are opening up in our world. Rest assured that my government appreciates hugely the meaning and value of the trans-Atlantic relationship for our common future.
"I remember with pleasure our conversation during your visit to Germany last July and look forward to working together with you in the future."
Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh:
"The Iraqi government has a true desire to work and cooperate with the elected president for the best interest of the two countries to spread security and ensure Iraq's full sovereignty in a way that this will guarantee the interest of Iraqi people."
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert:
"Once again, America has proven that it is, indeed, the greatest democracy and constitutes an example for all other democracies in the world. President-elect Obama has proven his leadership and his talents to the entire world.
"… The special Israel-U.S. relationship is based on shared values and interests and is characterized by ties of close cooperation. Israel and the United States have a common desire to advance peace and stability in the Middle East. We have no doubt that the special relations that prevail between the two countries will continue to strengthen during the Obama administration."
Israeli President Shimon Peres:
"It was an American election and a worldwide choice.
"… I want to congratulate the newly-elected president: young, fresh, promising, representing a change and introducing change. The changes that I can mention — it is an opportunity to escape the present world crisis and enter into a new era of cooperation, of productive economy and of human solidarity. In a way, it is an end of racism. There is no longer any way that any white man can claim superiority, nor any black person feel discrimination. We are the same people, and this election is a great statement to that effect.
"… I also have the utmost respect for the other candidate, John McCain, who fought with great courage and stamina.
"… When President Obama was here, he asked me what he can do for Israel. My answer was: Be a great president of the United States of America. If you will be a great president of the United States of America, you will have great promise for Israel as well, and for all of the region and for all of our neighbors. Nobody should look at whose side the president is on — he just has to be on the side of peace. And if he will be on the side of peace, peace will come closer and more possible."
Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat:
Erakat said Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas congratulates Obama.
"We think that America is united behind the two-state solution and we hope that President-elect Obama will continue the engagement immediately and that he will transfer the vision of two states from a vision to a realistic political track," Erakat said.
European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso:
"This is a time for a renewed commitment between Europe and the United States of America.
"I want to assure Senator Obama of the support of the European Commission and of my personal support in forging this renewed commitment to face together the many challenges ahead of us.
"We need to change the current crisis into a new opportunity. We need a new deal for a new world. I sincerely hope that with the leadership of President Obama, the United States of America will join forces with Europe to
drive this new deal. For the benefit of our societies, for the benefit of the world."
European Union foreign policy chief Javier Solana:
"I think like every election, it means renewal. The ticket on which Barack Obama has run, this ticket for change — change is what we need in the world today. Many problems we have on the table, and I very much hope that we'll be able to do it together — to find a solution to them together, between the European Union and the United States.
"… I would also like to say that it will not be enough to have the European Union and the United States together. The problems of today we'll need also to incorporate other main players. I think about China, I think about the organization like the African Union and many others.
"Therefore, we have a very important day, a historical day and hope very much that the Europeans will be together also to make the utmost of this important moment."
Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh:
"I have great pleasure in conveying my heartiest congratulations on your election as the president of the United States. Your extraordinary journey to the White House will inspire people not only in your country but also around the world.
"The people of India and the United States are bound by their shared commitment to freedom, justice, pluralism, individual rights and democracy. These ideals provide a solid bedrock for friendship and strategic partnership between our two nations. We have strong ties between our peoples and I look forward to working with you to realize the enormous potential for cooperation that exists between India and the United States. Our two countries working together to address global issues and challenges will be an important factor for world peace, stability and progress."
Former South African President Nelson Mandela:
"Your victory has demonstrated that no person anywhere in the world should not dare to dream of wanting to change the world for a better place.
"We note and applaud your commitment to supporting the cause of peace and security around the world. We trust that you will also make it the mission of your presidency to combat the scourge of poverty and disease everywhere.
"We wish you strength and fortitude in the challenging days and years that lie ahead. We are sure you will ultimately achieve your dream making the United States of America a full partner in a community of nations committed to peace and prosperity for all."
Archbishop Desmond Tutu:
"It's an epoch-making event filling the whole world with hope that change is possible. It is just tremendous; it is saying to people of color that for them, the sky is the limit.
"My heartiest congratulations go to Senator Barack Obama and his partner Senator Joe Biden on their victory.
"I also want to congratulate Senator John McCain for his gracious references to Senator Obama in his conceding speech.
"We have a new spring in our walk and our shoulders are straighter. It is almost as when Nelson Mandela became president of South Africa in 1994."
French President Nicolas Sarkozy:
"In choosing you, it's the choice for change, the opening up and the optimism of the American people. While the world is in turmoil and doubt, the American people, loyal to their values that have always been the American identity, forcefully expressed their faith in progress and the future.
"This message from the American people resonates well beyond your borders. In the moment where we must face together immense challenges, your election raises immense hope in France, in Europe, and beyond, throughout the world. This open America, united and strong, will show the way anew, with its partners, by the strength of its example and its adherence to its principles.
"France and Europe, which have always been connected to the United States by ties of history, values, and friendship, will draw a new energy from this to work with America at preserving world peace and stability."
Iran's Deputy Parliament Speaker Mohammad Hossein Abutorabifard:
"Obama can change the defeated Bush policies and in so doing can play an important role in the future relations between the U.S. and Asia and the Middle East.
"… If the United States takes into consideration the realities of the world and chooses suitable policies, America can play its (proper) role in the relations between the United States and the countries of the region and theworld of Islam."
"… It seems that this election has prepared the ground for a revision in the Democrats' and Obama's future policies of the United States."
Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero:
Zapatero congratulated Obama for his "extraordinary election victory" and said it "opens the road of hope for the world in times of difficulty."
In a telegram sent to Obama, Zapatero wrote, "As prime minister of the government of Spain, I let you know of our desire to work together to search for opportunities and solutions to tackle the challenges we face.
"I am convinced, as you are, that dialogue and collaboration with governments and multilateral institutions is the best way to find the answers that we need."
Zimbabwe opposition party Movement for Democratic Change:
"Obama's victory is a victory of hope, faith, change, a restart, values and dreams which have underpinned our fight as a movement against dictatorship and the neo-fascism of Robert Mugabe.
"Obama's victory will hopefully usher in a departure from the politics of polarization, fear, unilateralism and arrogance that has defined the Bush doctrine in the last eight years. Indeed, we hope that Obama will open new avenues of dialogue of new interaction based on respect of all countries irrespective of the size of national budgets or the number of fighter jets owned.
"… We are mindful of the difficulties that lie ahead in Obama's path and the fact that this is no El Dorado, a construct that Obama himself acknowledges in his acceptance speech. Indeed it is a task that may take more than his two terms of office. Perhaps the greatest thing we have learnt from this victory is that democracy can work and that there is no alternative to the same.
"John McCain's speech was particularly humbling, instructive and inspiring. If in Africa, incumbents would accept defeat and would graciously depart from the seat of power, this would be a different continent, and indeed Zimbabwe would be a different place.
"For those of us who are still in the trenches, fighting for change and democracy across the entire African continent, this is our victory. One which for now we will savor and celebrate."

[Yelram]

Exactly my thoughts.

Again, this is about race to you, DUDE, this election isnt about race. Thats the problem, it has become about race, when it should have been about what Barack really thinks. And until he reaffirms his true positions, and actually attempts to legislate him, I will remain very speculative. If he begins to do great things for this country, starts to bring down the debt, cut spending, increase the strength of the military, and make healthcare cheaper without any negative effects. I will be jumping for joy, i'm just realistic, and when someone tells you they are gonna give you something for nothing, you better start paying attention to their intentions. I know there are companies right now preparing to leave blue states. They are afraid of capped salaries, forced unions, and a litany of other left-wing intervention into successful businesses. I am not a republican because i'm "white and love amurika and gunz!!" I guarantee Arch has shot more guns than me, and probably owns more than me. I am a republican because I am a business owner, and I know how the government likes to bully business when the dems are in power. They know where the money is, and they know how to force these businesses to cough up big chunks of their bottom line. Barack may not do this (he would have to totally erase half of his economic plan off his website if this was the case), but I think in the coming months, the nostalgia of the 2008 election will wear off, and all the people promised things by Barack (like everyone and their mama) will start to say, "Hey wait just a fucking minute". I really find it difficult to believe that if Barack totally redacts all of his promises, that the idea of a "black president equalizing race relations", is probably assbackwards.

[Mr. Brown]

I didn't vote for him b/c he was black, I did it b/c he wasn't a member of the GOP

[Willam]

Dole got her ass whipped. Serves her right for that dirty ass campaign.


The best thing about the races in North Carolina is that Munger pulled 3% in the Govenor's race. Because of that, Libertarians stay on the ballot through 2012. Now if they could only come up with some viable candidates.

[Limp]

Iran's Deputy Parliament Speaker Mohammad Hossein Abutorabifard:
"… If the United States takes into consideration the realities of the world and chooses suitable policies, America can play its (proper) role in the relations between the United States and the countries of the region and theworld of Islam."

Could have done without this one.

AND WTF? ISLAM GOT THEIR OWN WORLD?!

[Pax Britannia]

Could have done without this one.

AND WTF? ISLAM GOT THEIR OWN WORLD?!

Shame it's also ours. Cant we give them Pluto or something?

[Limp]

Shame it's also ours. Cant we give them Pluto or something?
They has virgins on Pluto?

[Archangel]

Rest assured that my government appreciates hugely the meaning and value of the trans-Atlantic relationship for our common future.


Bingo.

[Desperado]

Great quote...


Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero:
Zapatero congratulated Obama for his "extraordinary election victory" and said it "opens the road of hope for the world in times of difficulty."
In a telegram sent to Obama, Zapatero wrote, "As prime minister of the government of Spain, I let you know of our desire to work together to search for opportunities and solutions to tackle the challenges we face.
"I am convinced, as you are, that dialogue and collaboration with governments and multilateral institutions is the best way to find the answers that we need."
Zimbabwe opposition party Movement for Democratic Change:
"Obama's victory is a victory of hope, faith, change, a restart, values and dreams which have underpinned our fight as a movement against dictatorship and the neo-fascism of Robert Mugabe.
"Obama's victory will hopefully usher in a departure from the politics of polarization, fear, unilateralism and arrogance that has defined the Bush doctrine in the last eight years. Indeed, we hope that Obama will open new avenues of dialogue of new interaction based on respect of all countries irrespective of the size of national budgets or the number of fighter jets owned.

[Pax Britannia]

Bingo.

She should have added: unless we're asked to actually do anything to help.

[Archangel]

She should have added: unless we're asked to actually do anything to help.


Oh, so all of a sudden, you want German soldiers fighting?

[Mr. Brown]

Ok so like now what? It's funny watching Fox news and the pundits that appear on that network do their best to down play Obama's win. Like why not give the man his day. For get the first black president, the man won and won in difficult states.

[Pax Britannia]

Oh, so all of a sudden, you want German soldiers fighting?

I always wanted Germany to help. You just wouldnt. It'll be interesting to see if you guys back up all your flowery language.

[UNC]

shhhh everybody

^It's one of them

[Limp]

Ok so like now what? It's funny watching Fox news and the pundits that appear on that network do their best to down play Obama's win. Like why not give the man his day. For get the first black president, the man won and won in difficult states.
I have not seen this at all and watched Fox News for a full hour this morning while working out. Everyone was positive and looked forward to working with him.

Sure they were disappointed but they wen't 'down playing' his win. If you down play someone who beat you, what does that say about you?

[Archangel]

I always wanted Germany to help. You just wouldnt. It'll be interesting to see if you guys back up all your flowery language.

Hey, we're the 3rd biggest contingent in Afghanistan after the colonials and you guys. And once we get a conservative majority next year, the doors will be open for overt military action (our SPECOPS have been hunting turbaned jackasses alongside the SAS and Delta for years now).

[VoxAngelikus]

I didn't vote for Obama because he's black. I'm sure there are people who did and they are stupid for doing so.

But, that said, the fact that an African-American (even though he's not 100% black) has been elected President of the United States is a pretty big fucking deal. I do agree with Yelram (what?!?!) though, as I am hopeful for what Obama will mean for the U.S. and the world, but it does remain to be seen just what he will do and how he will do it. Promises and hope of change are one thing. Now he has to deliver on that message of hope and back up his words.

Automatically getting the support of world leaders who are probably thrilled that Bush is out will definitely help him.

[Pax Britannia]

Hey, we're the 3rd biggest contingent in Afghanistan after the colonials and you guys. And once we get a conservative majority next year, the doors will be open for overt military action (our SPECOPS have been hunting turbaned jackasses alongside the SAS and Delta for years now).

Excellent news. Maybe the European Army will be a step closer.

[UNC]

How many world leaders will play the "I thought you'd do this because you aren't Bush, You sound just like Bush" card. Will it work?

[SilverBullet]

I didn't vote for Obama because he's black. I'm sure there are people who did and they are stupid for doing so.



Same here. I didn't vote for him because I didn't like the type of person he is. Thats just how I feel about him. I didn't really care too much about McCain, I just thought he was the lesser of two evils. The fact that McCain actually has done something for this country helped his cause. I figured more people would of felt that way. Change isn't always a good thing. Its kind of a scary time in the world today.

[Smokestack]

Obama Offers Rahm Emanuel Job of White House Chief of Staff

November 05, 2008 8:30 AM
ABC News has learned that President-elect Obama has offered the White House chief of staff job to Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill.
Emanuel, a knowledgeable source tells ABC News, has not yet given his answer. The sharp-tongued, sharp-elbowed, keenly intelligent veteran of the Clinton White House is said to have ambitions to some day be Speaker of the House. But he also has a keen sense of "duty."
Today on "Good Morning America" ABC's George Stephanopoulos reported (http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2008/11/obamas-white-ho.html) Obama likes the fact that Emanuel "knows policy, knows politics, knows Capitol Hill" and has told associates that Emanuel would "have his back."
There is a tentative plan to announce Obama's chief of staff this week.
- jpt

[Hoser]

OK I haven't been involved in this thread at all, and I am not even from the US, but I can honestly say that I saw this win coming from a mile away. Everyone knew Obama would win, even those who wanted McCain knew it wasn't going to happen.

Congrats to Obama, but this just isn't really new when we all knew it was coming.

[Phil Theehor]

I'm proud that we have elected an African American President. I say "about fucking time" to that. I would have preferred that it was Colin Powell breaking through nine years ago, but what the hell.

I pray that I am wrong about this guy's economic policies. I really smell a Jimmy Carter-esque economic disaster.

[Limp]

Obama Offers Rahm Emanuel Job of White House Chief of Staff

November 05, 2008 8:30 AM
ABC News has learned that President-elect Obama has offered the White House chief of staff job to Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill.
Emanuel, a knowledgeable source tells ABC News, has not yet given his answer. The sharp-tongued, sharp-elbowed, keenly intelligent veteran of the Clinton White House is said to have ambitions to some day be Speaker of the House. But he also has a keen sense of "duty."
Today on "Good Morning America" ABC's George Stephanopoulos reported (http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2008/11/obamas-white-ho.html) Obama likes the fact that Emanuel "knows policy, knows politics, knows Capitol Hill" and has told associates that Emanuel would "have his back."
There is a tentative plan to announce Obama's chief of staff this week.
- jpt
Lulz.

A jew whos Father was born in Jerusalem and was a Zionist Militant.

This is going to be good....

EDIT** This from Wiki on Rahm
At this point of his political career he was known for his intensity. Notably, he reportedly told British Prime Minister (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Minister_of_the_United_Kingdom) Tony Blair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Blair), "This is important. Don't fuck it up," prior to Blair appearing in public with Clinton for the first time after

[VoxAngelikus]

http://www.forumspile.com/Blank-Picard_Facepalm.jpg

[Desperado]

Lulz.

A jew whos Father was born in Jerusalem and was a Zionist Militant.

This is going to be good....

EDIT** This from Wiki on Rahm
At this point of his political career he was known for his intensity. Notably, he reportedly told British Prime Minister (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Minister_of_the_United_Kingdom) Tony Blair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Blair), "This is important. Don't fuck it up," prior to Blair appearing in public with Clinton for the first time after



hahaha his brother is the inspiration for Ari on entourage... good stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ari_Emanuel

[Stax]

I had North Dakota for one random class, and a could earn a bit of extra credit if you called the winners % within 1%. I said McCain 51.1% so at this point I'm hoping it drops just slightly to 52.1%. Anyone know what's up there though? CNN has it 53-45 which even with decimals rounded off doesn't add to 100, but there's no third party presence AFAIK.

[Candycane]

hahaha his brother is the inspiration for Ari on entourage... good stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ari_Emanuel


They were talking about him with Rove on Fox and Friends, I wanted to see what they were saying.And to "sum" it up. that he is a hard ass and good at what he does, and gets "jobs" done. That he might even be a little too "bold".

[Stax]

2). Palin took the ticket from 10 down to 5 up...prior to the 9-15-08 stock crash and mccain's "fundamentally sound" faus paux.

He got the RNC bump and Palin got him the base (which any VP would've gotten him). But unlike a reasonable VP she became a drag EVERYWHERE ELSE. And real poll averages did not have a significant McCain lead even in that brief convention bounce.

[Stax]

Lawlz, Fox couldn't even wait a day. Every network is talking about the problems Obama will face, but Fox's front page image is

http://i35.tinypic.com/2mesmck.jpg

Cmon Fox.

[Desperado]

He got the RNC bump and Palin got him the base (which any VP would've gotten him). But unlike a reasonable VP she became a drag EVERYWHERE ELSE. And real poll averages did not have a significant McCain lead even in that brief convention bounce.

I was reading this article and found a decent explanation for this... I only added the Palin part, however the rest of it is a good read.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/167561?GT1=43001


Worst Campaign Ever?
John McCain's chaotic operation may well rank among recent history's least successful efforts.

Julian E. Zelizer
NEWSWEEK
The GOP presidential campaign of 2008 will certainly be one that historians discuss for years to come. But not in the way that some Republicans had hoped for when they selected an experienced maverick, loved by the media, to face off against an inexperienced African-American who had trouble vanquishing his opponent in the primaries.
To be fair, the odds were stacked against any Republican. The economy has suffered while the incumbent president was phenomenally unpopular. Democrats were well organized and well financed. They found, in Barack Obama, an exceedingly charismatic and dynamic candidate.
But nothing is inevitable in American politics. A strong campaign, combined with the issue of race and fears about Obama's inexperience, could have produced a different outcome.
History is filled with examples of campaigns marked by bad decisions and poor performances that undermined their chances of victory. In 1964, Republican Barry Goldwater made statements that allowed President Lyndon Johnson to depict him as a candidate too far out of the American mainstream. Eight years later, Richard Nixon returned the favor to Democratic Sen. George McGovern, who had put together a campaign that appealed to the New Left and other activists inspired by 1960s activism but failed to bring in traditional Democratic constituencies such as organized labor. In 1988, Democrat Michael Dukakis was the proverbial deer in the headlights when Republican Vice President George H.W. Bush and his team redefined the technocratic Massachusetts Democrat into an extreme card-carrying ACLU liberal who let out murderers on weekend furloughs. Bush then stumbled in 1992 with his tin ear about the economic recession. In 1996, Republican Robert Dole ran a lethargic campaign that emphasized nostalgia and suspicion while President Bill Clinton ran around the country boasting about peace and prosperity. During the last election, Sen. John Kerry didn't adequately defend himself against "Swift-Boat" attacks.

But Team McCain ran a campaign that ranks on the bottom of this list. This was an aimless and chaotic operation made worse by poor choices at key moments. Their first mistake was picking Gov. Sarah Palin. Though in the first week following her selection, Palin energized the conservative base of the GOP, she became a serious drag on the ticket. This turned into one of the worst picks since McGovern selected Thomas Eagleton, a Missouri senator who withdrew after revealing that he had gone through electroshock therapy and suffered from "nervous exhaustion." By picking Palin, McCain simultaneously eliminated his own best argument against Senator Obama—the limited experience of his opponent—while compounding his own most negative image, that of someone who was erratic and out of control. The pick also fueled the feeling that grew throughout September and October that the Republican candidate was willing to take any step necessary to win the campaign. The Palin pick made every decision that followed seem purely political.

[Pax Britannia]

I think Mondale will hold onto the worst campaign ever record.

[Stax]

I had North Dakota for one random class, and a could earn a bit of extra credit if you called the winners % within 1%. I said McCain 51.1% so at this point I'm hoping it drops just slightly to 52.1%. Anyone know what's up there though? CNN has it 53-45 which even with decimals rounded off doesn't add to 100, but there's no third party presence AFAIK.

Figured this out, BTW. CNN, RCP, and electoral-vote (which I was using) didn't have any "Other" listed, but according to Fox Nader got 1.33% in North Dakota.

[Stax]

I think Mondale will hold onto the worst campaign ever record.

Naw, McGovern FTW.

EDIT - Well, FTL?

[kareyn01]

I think the most important thing at this point is for everyone who supported (and voted for) Obama to be as critical of his presidency as they were of the Bush administration, to hold him accountable, and make sure that he is following through on his stated goals. I have every confidence that President Obama will live up to his word, but its still important that people realize that the changes in the direction of this country that are necessary will only come to fruition if they hold their government, and themselves, up to the highest standards.

[atoms]

The article above may have given Kerry a bit of a pass....but damn that was a pretty uninspiring campaign that should have been easy for the Dem's.

[Le Goat]

This just in: Africa moved into the 5th century BCE

[satandole666]

Hey....not all Black people voted for Obama as predicted...only 95% of them did.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1

[Stax]

Which is, FYI, only a what... 7% increase on Kerry's 88% black support? Obama is in the White House because he's a good candidate, not because his homies put him there.

[kid_vidrio]

I cant be happy or sad until Barack does something. Unless you feel that the hiring of a black person to a high position is something to feel all gooey inside about.
Why is this even a point you would make?

[satandole666]

Which is, FYI, only a what... 7% increase on Kerry's 88% black support? Obama is in the White House because he's a good candidate, not because his homies put him there.

I didn't make that claim at all.

I have no problem with Obama. If he can actually do some of the stuff he wants to do it will be amazing.

I hate his supporters though. Nothing about them makes me want to join th Obama fanclub dicksucking parties that are everywhere. If they treated him like a person instead of the second coming of Jebus I might value their opinions more. On top of that, I'm tired of watching black people cry (or talk about crying) on TV. Fuck Oprah too. If this shit lasts for 4 years I might have to kill someone.

[Stax]

I didn't make that claim at all.

I have no problem with Obama. If he can actually do some of the stuff he wants to do it will be amazing.

I hate his supporters though. Nothing about them makes me want to join th Obama fanclub dicksucking parties that are everywhere. If they treated him like a person instead of the second coming of Jebus I might value their opinions more. On top of that, I'm tired of watching black people cry (or talk about crying) on TV. Fuck Oprah too. If this shit lasts for 4 years I might have to kill someone.

Their race was in chains for a couple centuries, treated as a second class of humans for another 100, and they just got their first president. Give them a couple days.

[satandole666]

Their race was in chains for a couple centuries, treated as a second class of humans for another 100, and they just got their first president. Give them a couple days.

Yeah...I know I'm being insensitive but I'm largely bored with the slavery card. Now that they have a Black President can we burn it never to be heard again?

[Limp]

Just a little fun fact... North America only for half a million slaves out of the 15+ million Africans enslaved.

Not saying it was right, just wanted to point out the entire world was pretty much doing it at the time and America wasn't the only person to commit the act.

Carry on.

[Stax]

Just a little fun fact... North America only for half a million slaves out of the 15+ million Africans enslaved.

Not saying it was right, just wanted to point out the entire world was pretty much doing it at the time and America wasn't the only person to commit the act.

Carry on.

We were the last to repeal it.

I agree the card gets played too much, but slavery and the treatment of Native Americans are America's Original Sin(s).

[heelsguy]

you know, it is easy to sit here and say that Bush--ushered in/created/incubated/whatever-- an environment of fear and all, but it was thrust upon him on 9-11. and to his credit. yeah YOU HEARD ME. we have not been attacked since then. It's not like in fall of 2000, Bush was running for Prez and secretly concocting an "us against the bad guys" gameplan.

since biden predicted it, we better hope what happened to reagan 1(shot by hinckley in March), clinton 1(WTC 1), and bush 1(WTC2) does NOT happen.

[cAsE sEnSiTiVe]

So much for the good ol' days...

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f241/SoundQcar/funnies/zx5d59eu8rqb72422y44.jpg

[Limp]

We were the last to repeal it.
We also gave them the best living conditions BY FAR, the longest life expectancy, and they only reproduce in North America.

[Tar Heel]

you know, it is easy to sit here and say that Bush--ushered in/created/incubated/whatever-- an environment of fear and all, but it was thrust upon him on 9-11. and to his credit. yeah YOU HEARD ME. we have not been attacked since then. It's not like in fall of 2000, Bush was running for Prez and secretly concocting an "us against the bad guys" gameplan.

since biden predicted it, we better hope what happened to reagan 1, clinton 1, and bush 1 does NOT happen.

I disagree wit this logic. It was 10 years after the initial WTC bombing that we were struck again on our soil. So I don't think anyone can say with any certainty that we are safer now just because we haven't been attacked on our soil in the last 7 years. We may be safer because of other things that the bush administration may have done, but I disagree with the timeline logic. The terrorists have proven to be patient, and I think the war on terror will be a war that we will be waging for a long time. Are we safer? maybe. Are we safer because of efforts made by the Bush administration? maybe. Are we safer just because there hasn't been another attack? No way.

[Stax]

you know, it is easy to sit here and say that Bush--ushered in/created/incubated/whatever-- an environment of fear and all, but it was thrust upon him on 9-11. and to his credit. yeah YOU HEARD ME. we have not been attacked since then. It's not like in fall of 2000, Bush was running for Prez and secretly concocting an "us against the bad guys" gameplan.

since biden predicted it, we better hope what happened to reagan 1(shot by hinckley in March), clinton 1(WTC 1), and bush 1(WTC2) does NOT happen.

Every president faces multiple foreign policy issues because foreign policy doesn't reset ever 4 years. Those were not 'tests' of their mettle, they were events.

[The Dude]

Lawlz, Fox couldn't even wait a day. Every network is talking about the problems Obama will face, but Fox's front page image is

http://i35.tinypic.com/2mesmck.jpg

Cmon Fox.

c'mon Fox why?

That is the situation, the election is over. If he truly is as good a candidate as everyone wants to think he is, then he knows better than anyone else that he's walking into a shitstorm on January 20, 2009.

The mere election of Obama changes nothing. The economy is still in the shitter, our military is still overextended outside of our borders, and there are just as many threats to this country both internally and externally as there were yesterday (and I'm sure the same will be true on January 19, 20, 21).

I think the picture is entirely appropriate. It was indeed a historic victory and is being recognized the world round as such. However, that was last night/today. As President-elect, today/tomorrow and every day in the future is about dealing with the terrible situation that we are in.

The type of attitude that you have is one of blind faith in the liberal left. Yes, we all know how right-wing and conservative Fox is, but don't bash them when they didn't do anything wrong. Let's call a spade a spade. It's like saying someone who wins the lottery shouldn't hire a financial planner because they're now rich. Getting there is only one aspect.

[Limp]

I love it when people that hate fox news go there to look for shit to complain about.

I bet if they stopped Fox would lose half of their Advertising Revenue.

[Archangel]

Every president faces multiple foreign policy issues because foreign policy doesn't reset ever 4 years. Those were not 'tests' of their mettle, they were events.

Spot on. It's not like other countries usually set their clocks to the US elections.

[Archangel]

Also, what sig said. Obama himself said that the next weeks, months, years will be some of the hardest in American history.

[Archangel]

So...


Can you guys finally get rid of Black History Month now?

[heelsguy]

I disagree wit this logic. It was 10 years after the initial WTC bombing that we were struck again on our soil. So I don't think anyone can say with any certainty that we are safer now just because we haven't been attacked on our soil in the last 7 years. We may be safer because of other things that the bush administration may have done, but I disagree with the timeline logic. The terrorists have proven to be patient, and I think the war on terror will be a war that we will be waging for a long time. Are we safer? maybe. Are we safer because of efforts made by the Bush administration? maybe. Are we safer just because there hasn't been another attack? No way.


8 years: feb 26, 1993 until sept 2001.

the point is that Bush took the fight to THEIR yard. afghanistan first. the best defense is a good offense. he deserves credit..that is what I am saying.

[satandole666]

So...


Can you guys finally get rid of Black History Month now?

Of course not. Instead...January through June will be "Black History Month." This is to counter the oft heard argument, "Every month is White History Month."

[Mr. Brown]

8 years: feb 26, 1993 until sept 2001.

the point is that Bush took the fight to THEIR yard. afghanistan first. the best defense is a good offense. he deserves credit..that is what I am saying.

I can agree with that. One can't just try to put people on trial. You have to make it so all but the completely devoted would ever try something again.

I didn't watch McCain's concession speech until just now. Why does it always seem like he's like at a high school football rally? I mean some how the chanting always threw me off.

[Mr. Brown]

So...


Can you guys finally get rid of Black History Month now?
Well it was designated b/c many historical events happened in February and many of the people involved were born in February.

[Rover]

We were the last to repeal it.

I agree the card gets played too much, but slavery and the treatment of Native Americans are America's Original Sin(s).We weren't the last to repeal it. The United States was one of the first countries to end the African slave trade. We stopped that in 1808, which was the earliest date allowed by the Constitution.

After that date, slavery in this country was almost entirely domestic.

The last country to end importing slaves from Africa was Brazil in the 1830's.

[kid_vidrio]

8 years: feb 26, 1993 until sept 2001.

the point is that Bush took the fight to THEIR yard. afghanistan first. the best defense is a good offense. he deserves credit..that is what I am saying.
Yeah, cuz everyone knows there is only one ISlamic enemy of the state and by pissing off muslim fundamentalists everywhere he has made us so much safer.

Keep trying buddy.

[The Dude]

clearly the most important issue now is the d-1 college football playoff system Obama promised

[rc113943]

I personally believe we've allowed a culture of reverse racism in this country. African Americans blindy voting for a candidate because of his skin, beating up on whites if they speak out of line about anything remotely controversial ...

Martin Luther King, Jr wanted everyone to be equal. He would be embarassed by the way the first black president was elected, because all things weren't equal.

[Willam]

I personally believe we've allowed a culture of reverse racism in this country. African Americans blindy voting for a candidate because of his skin, beating up on whites if they speak out of line about anything remotely controversial ...

Martin Luther King, Jr wanted everyone to be equal. He would be embarassed by the way the first black president was elected, because all things weren't equal.


Just begging to be negged???

[Desperado]

I personally believe we've allowed a culture of reverse racism in this country. African Americans blindy voting for a candidate because of his skin, beating up on whites if they speak out of line about anything remotely controversial ...

Martin Luther King, Jr wanted everyone to be equal. He would be embarassed by the way the first black president was elected, because all things weren't equal.


Thats right 100% of black only voted for obama because hes black... didnt we already go over this?

[Tar Heel]

I personally believe we've allowed a culture of reverse racism in this country. African Americans blindy voting for a candidate because of his skin, beating up on whites if they speak out of line about anything remotely controversial ...

Martin Luther King, Jr wanted everyone to be equal. He would be embarassed by the way the first black president was elected, because all things weren't equal.

...and you're still a retard.

How was this race not equal, and how can you blame most blacks for voting for the 1st black president in the history of the united states? You're logic alone is retarded. The fact that you think MLK would agree with you only proves your lack of mental capacity. Sure, barack Obama was able to raise more money, but McCain had the same opportunity to raise money.

[hatepoppy]

race race race race race race race!

and terr'r!

[Claydon]

yawn

[rc113943]

Now that I got everyone fired up again, at least I have your attention, because I have a question!

So I remember during one of the debates, the candidates were asked a question regarding which issue they would tackle first ... McCain listed his in order, and Obama said there is no reason we can't do all three at once. He also criticized McCain for suspending his campaign during the Bailout Bill, saying presidents need to be able to multitask.

What issues do you think Obama is going to attack first? Education reform? Healthcare reform? His 1.75 billion dollar economic stimulus? Foreign relations? Energy? Just curious to hear your opinions

[Tar Heel]

Now that I got everyone fired up again, at least I have your attention, because I have a question!

So I remember during one of the debates, the candidates were asked a question regarding which issue they would tackle first ... McCain listed his in order, and Obama said there is no reason we can't do all three at once. He also criticized McCain for suspending his campaign during the Bailout Bill, saying presidents need to be able to multitask.

What issues do you think Obama is going to attack first? Education reform? Healthcare reform? His 1.75 billion dollar economic stimulus? Foreign relations? Energy? Just curious to hear your opinions


I'm hoping heathcare while he has a mandate.

[rc113943]

I'm hoping heathcare while he has a mandate.

healthcare was not an issue for me in this election, and i don't know much about either plan ... i know obama's involves something about requiring care for employees, right?

[Claydon]

I've said this before and I will say this once again, I have no doubt that Obama won this election however, why is it when the left wins its a 'mandate' but when the right wins it is 'stolen'?

[mongo]

clearly the most important issue now is the d-1 college football playoff system Obama promised

no.fucking.shit.

[hatepoppy]

healthcare was not an issue for me in this election, and i don't know much about either plan ... i know obama's involves something about requiring care for employees, right?way i understood, it (obama's plan as proposed) just excluded the right of employer-provided insurance to reject coverage of preexisting conditions.

[Pox]

Hes going to buy his daughter a puppy.

His tax plan is probably going to be the first issue he tackles, since he got elected on economic issues. He's going to take advantage of the grace period and put trough a bill that will almost certainly pass, much like Bush's tax cuts.

[Pox]

I've said this before and I will say this once again, I have no doubt that Obama won this election however, why is it when the left wins its a 'mandate' but when the right wins it is 'stolen'?


I don't know if you've noticed this, but the last 2 elections were a lot closer than this one.

[Claydon]

Hes going to buy his daughter a puppy.

His tax plan is probably going to be the first issue he tackles, since he got elected on economic issues. He's going to take advantage of the grace period and put trough a bill that will almost certainly pass, much like Bush's tax cuts.

Not necessarily... there is a sobering reality that is going to set in, 1 trillion in debt will need to be sold by the treasury dept. between now and march. No one is getting a tax cut.

[hatepoppy]

I've said this before and I will say this once again, I have no doubt that Obama won this election however, why is it when the left wins its a 'mandate' but when the right wins it is 'stolen'?bc they stole one in 2000? did you see people complaining about the count when kerry got his ass handed to him in 04? yeah, bc the gops had just stolen the shit last time, it was still fresh.

[Mr. Brown]

I've said this before and I will say this once again, I have no doubt that Obama won this election however, why is it when the left wins its a 'mandate' but when the right wins it is 'stolen'?

I see where you coming from but I'm not hearing any complaints about voter irregularities well any more than usual.

[rc113943]

way i understood, it (obama's plan as proposed) just excluded the right of employer-provided insurance to reject coverage of preexisting conditions.

i'll have to go visit obama.com for the first time and find out whats going on

[Claydon]

bc they stole one in 2000? did you see people complaining about the count when kerry got his ass handed to him in 04? yeah, bc the gops had just stolen the shit last time, it was still fresh.

im not going to rehash this argument, but nothing was stolen in 2000 either.

[Desperado]

nothing was stolen in 2000 either.


That would be rehashing the arguement...

[fuldstændigamok]

im not going to rehash this argument, but nothing was stolen in 2000 either.

Well, don't fucking bring the subject up on the first place, then.

[Desperado]

In other news....hahahahahaha. I'm betting they strip him of his shit.


Lieberman: Time to come together (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/05/lieberman-time-to-come-together/)
Posted: 01:29 PM ET

From CNN Associate Political Editor Rebecca Sinderbrand (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/tag/cnn-associate-political-editor-rebecca-sinderbrand/)
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/11/05/joelieberman.jpg Lieberman says put partisanship aside.

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/corner_wire_BL.gif

(CNN) — Democrat-turned-independent Joe Lieberman, one of John McCain’s biggest Senate supporters, congratulated Barack Obama Wednesday on winning the presidential election.
"I sincerely congratulate President-elect Obama for his historic and impressive victory,” he said in a statement released by his Senate office. “America remains a nation of extraordinary opportunity and the American people are a people of extraordinary fairness.
“Now that the election is over, it is time to put partisan considerations aside and come together as a nation to solve the difficult challenges we face and make our blessed land stronger and safer. I pledge to work with President-elect Obama and his incoming Administration in their efforts to reinvigorate our economy and keep our nation secure and free."

[Kerjack]

I don't really care at this point, all I care about is that steps where taken to make sure it can't happen in the future.

[Claydon]

Well, don't fucking bring the subject up on the first place, then.

fuck you frenchy, don't you have to help create yet another french republic, how many have you guys gone through since the late 18th century...5 or 6?!

[hatepoppy]

im not going to rehash this argument, but nothing was stolen in 2000 either.yeah im in the same boat as you, but going in a different direction. nothing was stolen, i just meant that it's not something theyll (dems) let go of easily, because to them, it IS fact.

i can see where theyre coming from. it's just silly to think the republicans stole it from the democrats. its alot more like, the man already knew who he wanted to be pres-o-dint, and the crew putting on the reality show we call 'politics' fucked up. someone dropped the ball and you could see the reality through the illusion, for just a second.

[Mr. Brown]

what that the republicans don't make half ass attempts at picking running mates?

[fuldstændigamok]

fuck you frenchy, don't you have to help create yet another french republic, how many have you guys gone through since the late 18th century...5 or 6?!

You're all about being on-topic today, aren't you? Bitter, much?

[Claydon]

In other news....hahahahahaha.

I think obama can work across the aisle, I will give the man major kudos with his speech last night where he mentioned how he has not gained the support of everyone etc and that he hoped he could win us over. Very very good speech, be that as it may, Im not sure how much bipartisanship can be accomplished with the likes of Pelosi and Reid.

[Smokestack]

http://edcone.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341cc33e53ef010535db590c970c-120wi (http://edcone.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341cc33e53ef010535db590c970c-popup) Results (http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/NC/Guilford/7970/13078/en/summary.html) for Guilford County, where Sarah Palin made her remarks (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/17/palin_clarifies_her_pro-americ.html) about real Americans in pro-America parts of the country:
Obama/Biden 58.75%
McCain/Palin 40.44%

[rc113943]

I think obama can work across the aisle, I will give the man major kudos with his speech last night where he mentioned how he has not gained the support of everyone etc and that he hoped he could win us over. Very very good speech, be that as it may, Im not sure how much bipartisanship can be accomplished with the likes of Pelosi and Reid.

Since we're being honest, I have more faith in Obama than Pelosi, Reid, and Barney Frank combined.

[Le Goat]

so has he named McCain head of state yet?

[Claydon]

Since we're being honest, I have more faith in Obama than Pelosi, Reid, and Barney Frank combined.

I agree, and FUCK CHRIS DODD that worthless cock sucking faggot. Those two should be beheaded and their heads put on pikes outside the federal reserve.

[Claydon]

so has he named McCain head of state yet?

If he put mccain as cabinet member ie sec def or sec of state. I would be a major obama supporter.

but we know that won't happen.

[hatepoppy]

hugz 3very1?

[Smokestack]

I've said this before and I will say this once again, I have no doubt that Obama won this election however, why is it when the left wins its a 'mandate' but when the right wins it is 'stolen'?

You don't see any difference with the victory margins that Clinton and Obama saw versus those of Bush II? Were Dems complaining about stolen elections with Reagan and Bush I? Whether or not it was stolen, 2000 came down to a couple hundred votes in Florida, so there's a huge difference in that election and last night.

[Archangel]

I've said this before and I will say this once again, I have no doubt that Obama won this election however, why is it when the left wins its a 'mandate' but when the right wins it is 'stolen'?

im not going to rehash this argument, but nothing was stolen in 2000 either.


How are you not going to rehash an argument which you yourself brought up?

[rc113943]

I agree, and FUCK CHRIS DODD that worthless cock sucking faggot. Those two should be beheaded and their heads put on pikes outside the federal reserve.

yeah, forgot him, too.

so anyway, would it be worth saving obama's entire website just to have documentation of his policies in writing before he changes them?

[Claydon]

How are you not going to rehash an argument which you yourself brought up?

meh....we have moved on herr arch

[Archangel]

Can we lock this shit already?

[hatepoppy]

yeah, forgot him, too.

so anyway, would it be worth saving obama's entire website just to have documentation of his policies in writing before he changes them?
if youre asking that question, youve already anticipated using them as ammunition to talk shit later. you KNOW it's worth it.

[Archangel]

I keed, I keed...

[WigglingWii]

Can we lock this shit already?

There'll be others!!!!

[Archangel]

There'll be others!!!!

Weren't you supposed to be posting your lovely half-naked form?

[Claydon]

I keed, I keed...

damn you again sir....goddamn you!

[WigglingWii]

Weren't you supposed to be posting your lovely half-naked form?
I will later. I'm on campus. I think that's frown upon.

[Claydon]

I will later. I'm on campus. I think that's frown upon.

you are in texas...so yah, it would be.

[Limp]

I will later. I'm on campus. I think that's frown upon.
What time should I pencil you in on my schedule?

[Archangel]

Yes We Can.

Get the comely and winsome Ms Wii to make good on her campaign promise of posting her breasts in celebration of Sen Obama's victory.

[Morfin]

http://edcone.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341cc33e53ef010535db590c970c-120wi (http://edcone.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341cc33e53ef010535db590c970c-popup) Results (http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/NC/Guilford/7970/13078/en/summary.html) for Guilford County, where Sarah Palin made her remarks (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/17/palin_clarifies_her_pro-americ.html) about real Americans in pro-America parts of the country:
Anti-Americans 58.75%
Real Americans 40.44%

Fixed. For both Palin and Michelle Bachmann

[Claydon]

Now was this fully exposed breast or just breast with bra?

[Pox]

There should be a new thread for all this.

[Archangel]

Now was this fully exposed breast or just breast with bra?

DON'T GIVE HER IDEAS TO WEASEL OUT OF THIS DAMNIT

[Archangel]

There should be a new thread for all this.

2008 Election - Offseason?

[fuldstændigamok]

Obama president AND Wii's sweetness on the same day. I'm starting to like l'amérique.

[Desperado]

I will later. I'm on campus. I think that's frown upon.

I can be on campus in 10 minutes... if you need help.

[Claydon]

DON'T GIVE HER IDEAS TO WEASEL OUT OF THIS DAMNIT

now see, i would be down for like frontal boob shot with fingers over nips and her little sly grin and naughty girl glasses.

[WigglingWii]

I can be on campus in 10 minutes... if you need help.

Oh really? Are you a fellow longhorn?

[Claydon]

Obama president AND Wii's sweetness on the same day. I'm starting to like l'amérique.

disappear frenchy. we repaid your help from the revolution in ww1 and 2.

[Le Goat]

Obama president AND Wii's sweetness on the same day. I'm starting to like l'amérique.

Relax, we aren't gay. Your queer French powers don't work here yet.

[Desperado]

Oh really? Are you a fellow longhorn?


Diehard... I have yet to go to espn.com or watch sportscenter. That loss cut me deep.

[Archangel]

I see stalkers in Wii's future.

[fuldstændigamok]

Relax, we aren't gay. Your queer French powers don't work here yet.

Just a matter of time now that you turned into a commie country.

[Le Goat]

Diehard... I have yet to go to espn.com or watch sportscenter. That loss cut me deep.

I think she meant do you go to UT

[WigglingWii]

Diehard... I have yet to go to espn.com or watch sportscenter. That loss cut me deep.

God, me too. I almost cried. I was thinking of applying to Texas Tech for grad school, but not anymore!!! BTW, fellow longhorn, eh? God, I gotta watch out now.

[Le Goat]

Just a matter of time now that you turned into a commie country.

WHITE POWER!


ARM YOURSELVES WHITE COMRADES!

[rc113943]

if youre asking that question, youve already anticipated using them as ammunition to talk shit later. you KNOW it's worth it.


so i went to the Issues page, and hit Print to PDF and choose a "print all linked pages" that way it would save all the issues to one PDF (smart, right?)

Nope. Totally locked up my computer. Obama doesn't want you to save the environment by creating PDFs of his website, you gotta print them out (kidding, im just lazy and i need to save the pages individually)

[WigglingWii]

WHITE POWER!


ARM YOURSELVES WHITE COMRADES!

DIE!

[Pox]

ARM YOURSELVES WHITE COMRADES!

Comrades, eh? Sounds like you're one of THEM.

[Archangel]

Comrades, eh?

He's gonna start singing the Comintern hymn any minute now.

[Le Goat]

DIE!

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[Claydon]

Comrades, eh? Sounds like you're one of THEM.

its begun.... limp has gone commie.

[heelsguy]

if obama names rohm emmanuel his chief of staff it will prove he is full of shit about being non-partisan. that gay fucker is as partisan as they come

[Claydon]

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i think it would have been more effective if you found one of those with the flag of the VC.

[WigglingWii]

I hate you, Goat!

[Archangel]

Arise, you prisoners of starvation!
Arise, you wretched of the earth!
For justice thunders condemnation:
A better world's in birth!
No more tradition's chains shall bind us,
Arise you slaves, no more in thrall!
The earth shall rise on new foundations:
We have been nought, we shall be all!
'Tis the final conflict,
Let each stand in his place.
The international soviet
Shall be the human race
'Tis the final conflict,
Let each stand in his place.
The international working class
Shall be the human race

[Le Goat]

It's mighty wings spread above us, the Russian eagle is hovering high!

The fatherlands tricolor symbol, is leading Russias peope to victory!

[Claydon]

He's gonna start singing the Comintern hymn any minute now.

kVdVTVR-j0Q

[rc113943]

meh, i'm too lazy - anyone feel like saving all the issues pages on obama's website?

[WigglingWii]

What would have happened if Ho Chi Minh didn't go to Russia? *sigh*

[Pharon]

Yesterday I voted for all Republicans except President.

I am truly a big fan of 'change'.

[fuldstændigamok]

Arise, you prisoners of starvation!
Arise, you wretched of the earth!
For justice thunders condemnation:
A better world's in birth!
No more tradition's chains shall bind us,
Arise you slaves, no more in thrall!
The earth shall rise on new foundations:
We have been nought, we shall be all!
'Tis the final conflict,
Let each stand in his place.
The international soviet
Shall be the human race
'Tis the final conflict,
Let each stand in his place.
The international working class
Shall be the human race

It really is a great song.

[Le Goat]

I hate you, Goat!

I keeel you!

[Archangel]

kVdVTVR-j0Q

Wrong hymn.

But the Soviet/Russian one is pretty catchy.

[Archangel]

Hitler wasn't much of a dancer, actually.

[Le Goat]

I'm a huge fan of the Russian Red Army Choir

[Pox]

Unbreakable union of freeborn republics
Great Russia has welded forever to stand!
Created in struggle by will of the people
United and mighty, our Soviet land!

blood alone moves the wheels of history!

[Soup Nazi]

Wrong hymn.

But the Soviet/Russian one is pretty catchy.

BLi_m656tQQ

[fuldstændigamok]

I wonder how pissed off redsucks is? Maybe I should unban him.

[rc113943]

and once again the conversations drift far far away from relevancy

[Archangel]

It really is a great song.

http://www.forumspile.com/Blank-Picard_Facepalm.jpg

[Claydon]

Wrong hymn.

But the Soviet/Russian one is pretty catchy.

I know it is :) just thought it would add a certain flavor to the discussion.

i haven't heard that thing in forever...reminds me of the good ole days of the cold war. things have changed so much, now we love russian oil, fewer nuclear weapons in the world, and the french no longer suck.....oh wait that part has not changed.

[Claydon]

and once again the conversations drift far far away from relevancy

election is over...now is the time to be an american and laugh at each other. we can get back to tearing each other apart in a few days.

[Archangel]

I meant this one, jackasses.

Z4N_07o0PJU

[rc113943]

election is over...now is the time to be an american and laugh at each other. we can get back to tearing each other apart in a few days.

i'm just trying to learn as much about obama's policies and what the expectations are for his plans - i'm concerned and haven't been in a joking mood since 11/3

[Claydon]

is it me, or does all soviet/russian music have a distinct sound of being drunk/depressed?

[Limp]

i'm just trying to learn as much about obama's policies and what the expectations are for his plans - i'm concerned and haven't been in a joking mood since 11/3
www.google.com (http://www.google.com)

Everything you need.

[Le Goat]

MbZM6ZSlvvY > Soviets

[Kerjack]

BLi_m656tQQ

Man, Russians where the best rivals. *sigh*

[hatepoppy]

is it me, or does all soviet/russian music have a distinct sound of being drunk/depressed?THATS RACIST!

[rc113943]

www.google.com (http://www.google.com)

Everything you need.

right. i just thought all the intelligent, proud democrats in here would love talking about their messiah

[Archangel]

Man, Russians where the best rivals. *sigh*

Trust me, we know.

[Le Goat]

is it me, or does all soviet/russian music have a distinct sound of being drunk/depressed?

MbZM6ZSlvvY > Soviets

I just proved that

[rc113943]

Man, Russians where the best rivals. *sigh*

Don't give up hope! There's always potential as long as there is Georgia!

[Claydon]

i'm just trying to learn as much about obama's policies and what the expectations are for his plans - i'm concerned and haven't been in a joking mood since 11/3

meh...get over it dude. we have congressional elections in 2 years, get ready for that! Obama won, he is the president elect. I was/am the most fervent mccain supporter on here and I know it is over. I dislike Obama but I respect the office of the President, and we have a new one in a couple months. Just as I disliked Clinton but he was still the President, I respect the office and consider it to be damn near holy. The united states is one of the few countries where the office of the presidency has not degraded into dictatorship and that is something remarkable. Having a divided government of course helps quite a bit.

soooo anyways (putting away soap box)

[Soup Nazi]

I meant this one, jackasses.

Z4N_07o0PJU

Mine's better godammit!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Archangel]

right. i just thought all the intelligent, proud democrats in here would love talking about their messiah

No, this thread is actually for ignorant cynical Republican jackasses to bitch and moan.