2008 Election - Offseason

[Claydon]

Trust me, we know.

christ, if hitler had not been stupid and just taken on the east, russians would be speaking german today.

[Pox]

Man, Russians where the best rivals. *sigh*
Russians are like Cardassians, Muslims are like Klingons. Its all a matter of taste.

[Le Goat]

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/chknfaqr/monkeysuck.jpg

[rc113943]

The united states is one of the few countries where the office of the presidency has not degraded into dictatorship and that is something remarkable.


knock on wood ... the messiah doesn't like when you cross him, who knows what could happen

[hatepoppy]

meh...get over it dude. we have congressional elections in 2 years, get ready for that! Obama won, he is the president elect. I was/am the most fervent mccain supporter on here and I know it is over. I dislike Obama but I respect the office of the President, and we have a new one in a couple months. Just as I disliked Clinton but he was still the President, I respect the office and consider it to be damn near holy. The united states is one of the few countries where the office of the presidency has not degraded into dictatorship and that is something remarkable. Having a divided government of course helps quite a bit.

soooo anyways (putting away soap box)

lulz.

[Claydon]

So, Pelosi, when are they going to get her out of there she is fucking lame. Christ, Tip O' Neil was a major thorn in the side of Reagan but even Tip knew when to non partisan and to congratulate reagan.

[rc113943]

Russians are like Cardassians, Muslims are like Klingons. Its all a matter of taste.

Kardashians?

[Le Goat]

It's really not the same when sung in Engrish


LtU3vUOa2sw

[Archangel]

knock on wood ... the messiah doesn't like when you cross him, who knows what could happen

And this guy has the audacity to complain about the lack of intelligent discourse.

Shoo.

[Claydon]

lulz.

?

everything i typed is 100% fact

contrary to whatever popular tshirts that you may purchase at hot topic, bush is not a dictator.

[Kerjack]

Russians are like Cardassians, Muslims are like Klingons. Its all a matter of taste.


Well it is true I love Cardassians.

[Angry Ass Messican Dude]

Hey, I can see Russia from my window.

Do you think Obama will build a bridge to Funky Town?


Shut up you're supposed to be watching Russia!

[rc113943]

And this guy has the audacity to complain about the lack of intelligent discourse.

Shoo.

i hate that guy, too

[WigglingWii]

Hey, I can see Russia from my window.

Do you think Obama will build a bridge to Funky Town?


Shut up you're supposed to be watching Russia!

That bridge has already been built!

[Pox]

Israel is a bunch of Ferengis.

[Angry Ass Messican Dude]

In my pants.

[Archangel]

It's really not the same when sung in Engrish


LtU3vUOa2sw

There's no real English translation for "rodina"...

[Le Goat]

Israel is a bunch of Ferengis.

In my pants.

lulz

[rc113943]

shit, so now what?


how long until a Joe the Plumber authored book is announced?

[hatepoppy]

?

everything i typed is 100% fact

contrary to whatever popular tshirts that you may purchase at hot topic, bush is not a dictator.YOURE A SHEEPS!

those who are most hoplessly enslaved are those who believe they are free.

[WigglingWii]

how long until a Joe the Plumber authored book is announced?

OMG, don't ever say his name again.

[Pox]

YOURE A SHEEPS!
Ferengis did 9/11!

[Claydon]

Israel is a bunch of Ferengis.

so who are the romulans? not the french....clearly. Romulans are far too sophisticated and intelligent.

[hatepoppy]

Ferengis did 9/11!
7/11 was a hologramz!!!

wate, do al-quaedas make slurpees? my confuseds.

[The Dude]

There's no real English translation for "rodina"...

Mother Russia?

[rc113943]

thank god its only 40 minutes until Sean Hannity soothes my soul with hardcore right-wing propaganda

[Le Goat]

so who are the romulans? not the french....clearly. Romulans are far too sophisticated and intelligent.

Romulan's = China

[Angry Ass Messican Dude]

Why are we not talking about the Funky Town Bridge in my pants?

[hatepoppy]

FERENGI-HEIT 9/11!

coincidences? i think not.

[rc113943]

why is this thread still open to debate nonsense like star trek bullshit?

[Claydon]

Romulan's = China

nah, romulans have always had bit of a technological advantage to the federation. the federation could only hold them back because of numbers. the chinese do not qualify.

[heelsguy]

meh...get over it dude. we have congressional elections in 2 years, get ready for that! Obama won, he is the president elect. I was/am the most fervent mccain supporter on here and I know it is over. I dislike Obama but I respect the office of the President, and we have a new one in a couple months. Just as I disliked Clinton but he was still the President, I respect the office and consider it to be damn near holy. The united states is one of the few countries where the office of the presidency has not degraded into dictatorship and that is something remarkable. Having a divided government of course helps quite a bit.

soooo anyways (putting away soap box)

i agree about having respect for the office and the man holding the job. In fact, I believe we should always refer to them as "president __ __ __". but under bush we started to hear "mr bush" a lot on cable news shows. that's (pardon the pun) bush league. k.o. was the worst offender.

I mean, after they leave office we refer to them as president... so we certainly should while they are in there. of course, they will do this for obama I am sure.

[Archangel]

Mother Russia?

Yeah, but it's more endearing, more like "Mama Russia"...

[Archangel]

why is this thread still open to debate nonsense like star trek bullshit?

If you don't like it, why don't you bugger the fuck off?

[hatepoppy]

Yeah, but it's more endearing, more like "Mama Russia"...babymama russia?

[Claydon]

why is this thread still open to debate nonsense like star trek bullshit?

because man, its over now and we all just wanna bullshit a little. like i said we can get back to tearing each other apart in a couple days.

candycane thinks i am the great satan right now (even though i like her) but obama won, the system works, our constitution fucking rules, and the debate is over for the moment. crack open a beer broski

[Le Goat]

Yeah, but it's more endearing, more like "Mama Russia"...

Mija Russia

[rc113943]

If you don't like it, why don't you bugger the fuck off?


wow, didn't realize trekkies were so sensitive

[WigglingWii]

This thread is the new OT except so much more popular.

[rc113943]

crack open a beer broski

now there's a good idea

[Archangel]

wow, didn't realize trekkies were so sensitive

Since when am I a trekkie?

[Claydon]

i agree about having respect for the office and the man holding the job. In fact, I believe we should always refer to them as "president __ __ __". but under bush we started to hear "mr bush" a lot on cable news shows. that's (pardon the pun) bush league. k.o. was the worst offender.

I mean, after they leave office we refer to them as president... so we certainly should while they are in there. of course, they will do this for obama I am sure.

yes that really pissed me off when the media called him just bush or mr bush, he is the fucking president like it or not. clinton was a cock sucker but he was the fucking president, and if bumped into him in the world i would 1. be honored to shake his hand and 2. call him mr. president.

[rc113943]

This thread is the new OT except so much more popular.

my thoughts exactly. probably because you're here, i believe they were all looking for you last night when obama won ...

[hatepoppy]

why is this thread still open to debate nonsense like star trek bullshit?
so you have somewhere to bitch about us not being on topic.

should the discussion center more on how your salvation, jesus H john mccain, superantiterror economist immortal king footlongdong lost? gglz its funny bc i only talk shits bc you squirm.

[rc113943]

yes that really pissed me off when the media called him just bush or mr bush, he is the fucking president like it or not. clinton was a cock sucker but he was the fucking president, and if bumped into him in the world i would 1. be honored to shake his hand and 2. call him mr. president.

no clinton was the president, lewinski was the cock sucker

[Claydon]

Since when am I a trekkie?

just come out of the closet already

[WigglingWii]

my thoughts exactly. probably because you're here, i believe they were all looking for you last night when obama won ...

I was studying.

[Angry Ass Messican Dude]

SPIRIT FINGERS

[Claydon]

I was studying.

women always have fucking excuses not to get naked

[Le Goat]

This thread is the new OT except so much more popular.

We enjoy the finer things. Such as Russian Army Choir, Politics, ****** bashing and Beer.

OT is just dicks

[WigglingWii]

women always have fucking excuses not to get naked

I know, women, tsk tsk we never learn.

[Archangel]

women always have fucking excuses not to get naked

Your wife having a 3-year headache?

[Claydon]

Your wife having a 3-year headache?

she tried to pull the 'im having my period right now' last night to which i responded 'you have 2 boobs and your hands...make with them'.

i won!

[Claydon]

i miss these big soviet parades

979rVLhiT0E

[rc113943]

she tried to pull the 'im having my period right now' last night to which i responded 'you have 2 boobs and your hands...make with them'.

i won!

i miss these big soviet parades

979rVLhiT0E

Nobody goes from cunts to commies like Claydon

[Claydon]

wait....did he call my wife a cunt?

[hatepoppy]

wait....did he call my wife a cunt?if he didnt, i will.

YOUR WIFE's A CUNT!

[Claydon]

if he didnt, i will.

YOUR WIFE's A CUNT!

i just want to be clear thats all!

[hatepoppy]

i just want to be clear thats all!pussy.

you match your wife.

[rc113943]

What Would Ralph Nader Do?

[hatepoppy]

What Would Ralph Nader Do?be worthless, probably. beat his head against a brick wall, even.

[rc113943]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2202/2414933654_4bdf347452.jpg

[taters]

Those of us who were alive then, know you're full of shit.

I was alive then. And Im not full of shit. You are if you think Reagan had anything to do with the USSR falling. That, and a historiphile. Their economy was in the fucking TANK starting in the early 70s. They were putting on fake parades, and had generals that were hording weapons clear back to the late 60s. The space race partially broke their back. The wars and their various bad relations in the far east sped that up.

Claydon, your sig is fucking retarded. Anyone who READS something in a part of that something eh? But anyone who UNDERSTANDS something they havent read, and therefore dont know shit about is an anti-communist. Yea, that makes sense.


I must be a communist, socialist, capitolist, nazi, green, anarchist, facist, fuedalist, imperialist, occultist, black supremacist, white supremacist, samurai, papalist, secularist, theocratic, libertarian, nationalist, autonomistic, synicalistic, jedi knight fucking wizard in that case.


Now, thats me saying Reagan and your sig are retarded, not you. You are just gay.

[Soup Nazi]

We are talking about motherfuckin star trek and cunts! Get with the program tater.

[Claydon]

I was alive then. And Im not full of shit. You are if you think Reagan had anything to do with the USSR falling. That, and a historiphile.

GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE TATER. TAKE YOUR HORSESHIT ELSEWHERE.

[Claydon]

how bout my new av?! eh eh comrades?!

[Pox]

Fucking tater.

[hatepoppy]

me <----> CRAZY <----> truth

teh crazy is between me and the truths@!

[Le Goat]

GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE TATER. TAKE YOUR HORSESHIT ELSEWHERE.

Tater is clearly a 30+ year old 2nd year law student man! LEAVE TYRONE ALONE!

[Claydon]

I was alive then. And Im not full of shit. You are if you think Reagan had anything to do with the USSR falling. That, and a historiphile. Their economy was in the fucking TANK starting in the early 70s. They were putting on fake parades, and had generals that were hording weapons clear back to the late 60s. The space race partially broke their back. The wars and their various bad relations in the far east sped that up.

Claydon, your sig is fucking retarded. Anyone who READS something in a communist eh? But anyone who UNDERSTANDS something they havent read, and therefore dont know shit about is an anti-communist. Yea, that makes sense.

Now, thats me saying Reagan and your sig are retarded, not you. You are just gay.

Meagan fox is lame? you sir a true homosexual. Tim would love to meet you.

[hatepoppy]

how bout my new av?! eh eh comrades?!
mine's hotter.

[Archangel]

I'd fuck T'Pol.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/bloodylamer/bastardly-photos/0505/album103/jolene-blalock09120701.jpg

[Claydon]

tater, those were just laughable lines from reagan they were not serious, so clearly you have NO FUCKING CLUE what you are talking about. The first line was at a speech and it was his opening joke, the second sig was from a mic test he did for his weekly radio address and they didnt realize that the mic was hot and it went out on the air causing a big of a diplomatic snafu. so shut the fuck up you dick head.

[Claydon]

I'd fuck T'Pol.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/bloodylamer/bastardly-photos/0505/album103/jolene-blalock09120701.jpg

a tpol hoshi sandwhich, in their starfleet uniforms, on the transporter pad.

my god...i would blow my wad in 1.3 seconds.

[rc113943]

tater, those were just laughable lines from reagan they were not serious, so clearly you have NO FUCKING CLUE what you are talking about. The first line was at a speech and it was his opening joke, the second sig was from a mic test he did for his weekly radio address and they didnt realize that the mic was hot and it went out on the air causing a big of a diplomatic snafu. so shut the fuck up you dick head.

i wonder if we'll ever look back at some of bush's mistakes like that and laugh?

[Archangel]

a tpol hoshi sandwhich, in their starfleet uniforms, on the transporter pad.

my god...i would blow my wad in 1.3 seconds.

Instead of the usual 2.2?

[Claydon]

Instead of the usual 2.2?

fuck you arch, i go for at least 8-10 seconds.

dick

[Claydon]

i wonder if we'll ever look back at some of bush's mistakes like that and laugh?

it wasn't reagan's mistake, the audio guys hit the feed to the network by mistake. they asked reagan to speak into the mic for a sound check and that is what he said.

[Archangel]

I know. Your wife told me.


She giggles a lot...

[Le Goat]

wait wut

0UuFJoexdlU

[Kerjack]

I'd fuck T'Pol.

She didn't truly ring my bell till the episode where she is all sex crazed in medical quarantine. The way she moved those shoulders, hot damn.

[Le Goat]

HOLY FUCK THAT SINGER IS LUKAS!

[hatepoppy]

i wonder if we'll ever look back at some of bush's mistakes like that and laugh?
the type of thing listed in his sig from reagan is the type of thing people make fun of EVERY DAY on the daily show and colbert. easy, silly lil gaffes worthy of a larf.

mistakes, not so funny.
..and there WERENT ANY WMDs! LOLLERCOASTERZ OF LUVV!

[Archangel]

Mmmmm.

http://www.101lifestyle.com/images/celebs/jolene_blalock/jolene-blalock-pics-new-011.jpg

[Le Goat]

Ok last one. SEriously. WTF??!?!

god damn it


Y0vZwONKshU

[Rover]

2008 Election - Offseason?There is no offseason in American politics. This thread title fails.

because man, its over now and we all just wanna bullshit a little. like i said we can get back to tearing each other apart in a couple days.

candycane thinks i am the great satan right now (even though i like her) but obama won, the system works, our constitution fucking rules, and the debate is over for the moment. crack open a beer broskiFor me, it's not over. I feel like like the bonds of faux conservatism have been released.

Romney - Jindal 2012
I hope all the millions of people who voted for McCain have huge buyer's remorse. The inability for McCain to carry Indiana is quite telling about the type candidate McCain was.
DES MOINES, Iowa -- Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal is fueling speculation of possible long-term presidential ambitions with a planned trip to Iowa next month.

Jindal will keynote a fundraising dinner for the Iowa Family Policy Center's "Celebrating the Family" banquet, a high-profile Christian conservative event in a state pivotal in presidential races.

The governor's spokeswoman, Melissa Sellers, confirmed that Jindal will attend the event Nov. 22 and also will make a stop in the Cedar Rapids area to see some of the recent flooding damage
http://www.kcci.com/news/17749703/detail.html?rss=des&psp=news

BTW, Rahm Emanuel is a very solid "change" pick. He's not a Washington insider at all.

[Willam]

Mmmmm.

http://www.101lifestyle.com/images/celebs/jolene_blalock/jolene-blalock-pics-new-011.jpg


IN A HEARTBEAT!!!!!

(She was recently on CSI:MTVMiami, Still looks fantastic.

[TheImpossibleMan]

Republicans and conservatives, please talk to me about Bobby Jindal. I don't know anything about him outside of his ethnicity, age, and that he is governor of Louisiana, and I would like your perspectives on him.

[Le Goat]

god damn it




In a monumental win over John McCain tonight, Barack Obama was just elected the 44th President of the United States of America. And after some the of the excitement of this historic election (regardless of one's political bias, it's an incredible step forward for the nation) subsides, one of the questions on some gamers' minds is whether this election will have any impact on their favorite hobby. "I would call upon the video game industry to give parents better information about programs and video games by improving the voluntary rating system we currently have. Broadcasters and video game producers should take it upon themselves to improve this system to include easier to find and easier to understand descriptions of exactly what kind of content is included. But if the industry fails to act, then my administration would." "And even if the industry does do some responsible self-policing, there's still a role for the federal government to play. We need to understand the impact of these new media better."
So asserted Barack Obama in a Common Sense Media questionnaire (http://www.commonsensemedia.org/news/specials/presidentialquestions) late last year. Statements like this might have people wondering if tighter scrutiny or government intervention are on their way, but it's worth noting that videogames have always been a favorite target by politicians in election years (Obama's democratic presidential rival Hilary Clinton was one of the most outspoken (http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/11/dont-vote-for-hillary-clinton/) on the topic, once saying that Grand Theft Auto was "a silent epidemic of media desensitization"). Looking at Obama's history with the medium thus far, it's clear the President-elect has a rather limited knowledge of games -- but this may be changing. Considering the last game he played (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20217406,00.html) was Pong almost 30 years ago, Obama's had little positive to say about videogames in recent years -- in fact, on several occasions he lumped games with TV as one of the causes of underachievement in our youth today. "We're going to have to parent better, and turn off the television set, and put the video games away, and instill a sense of excellence in our children," he said (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/19/AR2008021903257.html) on the campaign trail in February. Around the launch of Grand Theft Auto IV in April he specifically pointed to (http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=941) the game as a distraction from children's studies. "I was just catching the news this morning about Grand Theft Auto, this video game, which is going to break all records, make goo-gobs of money for whoever designed it," he said. "Now this isn't intended for kids, I understand -- although I promise you there will be kids who are playing it. But those video games are raising our kids."
It's a fair point -- in a lot of cases parents do need to turn off the TV set and get kids to put down the controllers. And thankfully he didn't take the opportunity to beat the old 'videogame violence is ruining society' drum. In fact, outside of the earlier comments calling on the game industry to better educate people about its content ratings, Obama has expressed no criticism of actual videogame content. This likely comes as a result of his belief in First Amendment rights, but also because of his embracing of new media and technology -- his campaign was widely credited as the most high tech ever, using the web to raise funds and text messages to communicate with supporters.
In fact, this high tech campaign was perhaps epitomized through videogames. Obama raised quite a few eyebrows and garnered a good deal of publicity when he decided to run in-game ads (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3170635) in 18 different videogame titles this fall, including Madden NFL 09, Need for Speed: Carbon, NBA Live 08, and Burnout Paradise -- he was the first politician to specifically target gamers through the games they play. These titles dynamically pulled in ads displaying his campaign messaging on in-game billboards and banners. While he may not have been playing these games himself, Obama certainly wasn't concerned about being associated with them.

http://media.1up.com/media?id=3643248&type=lg http://media.1up.com/media?id=3643249&type=lg
Hundreds of Obama supporters also held virtual rallies in the online virtual world game Second Life, and Obama used a virtual avatar to make an (http://blip.tv/file/185225)appearance (http://www.gamepolitics.com/2007/03/30/barack-obama-to-have-busy-weekend-in-second-life) in the game.

http://media.1up.com/media?id=3643251&type=lg And surely Obama took notice when he beat John McCain in the Rock the Vote poll (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3170085) on Xbox Live just a few weeks ago, in which over 100,000 people chose him at 43% versus McCain at 31% (especially considering Microsoft claimed the number polled was larger than the combined samples from Gallup, NBC, and CNN -- and that it was a unique representation of the youth vote).
Then there were the public revelations (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3170335) of the money flowing to the Obama camp from prominent members of the videogame industry, such as Take-Two's CEO Strauss Zelnick, EA's CEO John Riccitiello, and Sam Houser, the producer of Grand Theft Auto. Obviously, this isn't meant to indicate any sort of influence on policy, but it could certainly elevate his awareness of the industry. (Former head of the videogame trade association ESA Doug Lowenstein had a check returned (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/10/AR2006051002449_pf.html) from the Obama camp a few years back, likely to avoid association at the time).
Perhaps most interesting, though, was the Obama campaign's message to gamers in its final push for the White House in an ad on its website (http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/dayoff) -- it asked gamers to put down the Wiimote and go vote for him on November 4th. The Obama campaign staff clearly viewed gamers as an important segment of its voting base (that, or a group most in need of prodding to get out of the house). But either way, looking at how large the youth vote played a part in his election, and how intrinsically tied games are with this generation -- and how Obama has repeatedly acknowledged this -- it's reasonable to assume that gamers and their help won't be soon forgotten.

http://media.1up.com/media?id=3643250&type=lg Besides, people often point to games as a positive and relatively inexpensive escape in times of economic turmoil. Tasked with turning all of this around, maybe Barack Obama will set the example and he himself change -- by picking up a controller once again.

[Claydon]

so it has begun

[Stax]

8 years: feb 26, 1993 until sept 2001.

the point is that Bush took the fight to THEIR yard. afghanistan first. the best defense is a good offense. he deserves credit..that is what I am saying.

Not even the slightest bit. "Fight them over there so we don't fight them over here" is the dumbest catch line the Republicans ever came up with.

9/11 was an operation of 19 guys, orchestrated by a few more. No matter how big you make the war on terrorism, a terror cell will always have 19 guys to spare.

[Stax]

We weren't the last to repeal it. The United States was one of the first countries to end the African slave trade. We stopped that in 1808, which was the earliest date allowed by the Constitution.

After that date, slavery in this country was almost entirely domestic.

The last country to end importing slaves from Africa was Brazil in the 1830's.

I didn't say end the slave trade, I said end slavery. I hardly think African Americans would say "Oh thank god, I love the United States from 1808-1865 because we weren't importing more African slaves". That's better, but we still kept a race enslaved.

[Gary_Busey]

so it has begun
Exactly what has begun?

[rc113943]

everytime i start saving the pages of the Issues section of Obama's website, my browser breaks or my PDF printer doesn't work ... this isn't a coincidence ... big brother is watching (already!)

[Tar Heel]

Not even the slightest bit. "Fight them over there so we don't fight them over here" is the dumbest catch line the Republicans ever came up with.

9/11 was an operation of 19 guys, orchestrated by a few more. No matter how big you make the war on terrorism, a terror cell will always have 19 guys to spare.

The other thing that makes this an exception to the rule of war is that there is no defined country or
boarder(s) that they are limited to. You can't just say fight them over there because there is really no over there. Especially when you consider that all they need is a well planned idea and 10-20 people to carry it out. I have consistantly said that I might be (and hope that I am) wrong about the actions taken by the Bush administration in the war on terror. The one thing I think is clear is that we waited far too long to attempt to win the hearts and minds in a propaganda war on terror.

[Le Goat]

9/11 was an operation of 19 guys, orchestrated by a few more. No matter how big you make the war on terrorism, a terror cell will always have 19 guys to spare.

backed by countless millions more. don't leave that part out, god forbid you get a decent perspective.

[Le Goat]

oh and I'm all for dropping the 'assassinations ban' and making this war as covert as they (the terrorists) want it

MOSSAD FTW!

[hatepoppy]

backed by countless millions more. don't leave that part out, god forbid you get a decent perspective.
what kind of perspective is a vague concept like 'countless millions' unless youre talking about stars, assholes, or bad ben affleck movies?

[Stax]

backed by countless millions more. don't leave that part out, god forbid you get a decent perspective.

Of course the war in Afghanistan was good and righteous. But my point was explain to me how war with any particular nation will suddenly make terror cells go "Oh well, we're on defense now, not allowed to play offense"?

[rc113943]

Nancy Pelosi said today that "the new president must lead the country down the middle"

What in the world does Pelosi know about the middle?

[Gary_Busey]

Double-reverse flea flicker.

[hatepoppy]

Nancy Pelosi said today that "the new president must lead the country down the middle"

What in the world does Pelosi know about the middle?it's for pussies!

[Le Goat]

what kind of perspective is a vague concept like 'countless millions' unless youre talking about stars, assholes, or bad ben affleck movies?

Millions is quantitative, 'a few more' is not

[hatepoppy]

Double-reverse flea flicker.the annexation of puerto rico!

[Claydon]

oh and I'm all for dropping the 'assassinations ban' and making this war as covert as they (the terrorists) want it

MOSSAD FTW!

exploding cell phones are kinda cool

[Le Goat]

Of course the war in Afghanistan was good and righteous. But my point was explain to me how war with any particular nation will suddenly make terror cells go "Oh well, we're on defense now, not allowed to play offense"?

I know it wont. I've said that from the get go. I'm not defending Bush's actions in Iraq, i'm simply stating numbers since you understated with 'a few more'

[Stax]

I know it wont. I've said that from the get go. I'm not defending Bush's actions in Iraq, i'm simply stating numbers since you unstated with 'a few more'

Ah, yeah, I just meant the Osamas and such orchestrating, obviously there was a larger softer support from the Taliban.

[hatepoppy]

Millions is quantitative, 'a few more' is notboth are vague an nonspecific. that was my point. how many is it? 20? 200? 2000? 20000? 200000? 2000000? 200000000000000000000000000000?

when do we say 'a fuckload' and be done w it? where do these numbers come from? are they in any way publicly verifiable? why are they being presented as fact? it's like my dad telling me in hs not to drive north of 45th bc gary's filled drug dealers and gangbangers there that kill white people for sport. there might be one person out there fitting the description, but since there are a few thousand who kinda match, lets just group them all together to get my point across. it's not like the people think enough to realize that this is all just a smokescreen.

it's just some random, spectral, imaginary foe. but its something to keep the lil kids in line.

[rc113943]

anyone feel like playing texas hold 'em? or at least lying to me about it so i go wait at the table by myself?

[Pax Britannia]

Is that the music from Crimson Tide playing in the background?

I just had a fucking revelation.

That music plays at the end of Crimson Tide where an old white Navy captain admits to a young African American commander of the post cold war era that he was wrong and then walks away into the sunset. Anyone else get that?

Or am I just a little drunk?

http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/?attachment_id=5692

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii85/Raptor08_2008/obama-crimsontide.jpg

[rc113943]

anyone feel like playing texas hold 'em? or at least lying to me about it so i go wait at the table by myself?


the fear of people spending time with me around a card table just created the longest peroid of silence in the past 48 hours

[Desperado]

the fear of people spending time with me around a card table just created the longest peroid of silence in the past 48 hours

Shut the fuck up.

[Desperado]

Opinion on his first step.



President Obama's First Step: Reset Expectations

Posted Nov 05, 2008 12:15pm EST by Henry Blodget (http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/author/Henry-Blodget) in Newsmakers (http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/Newsmakers), Recession (http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/Recession), Election (http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/Election)

From ClusterStock (http://www.clusterstock.com/), Nov. 5, 2008:
If President Elect Obama were the incoming CEO of a corporation, he would now be preparing for the first act of his tenure: A massive write-off of the mountains of rotted junk buried on the company's balance sheet and an announcement that recovery will take a long, long time.
This flush would clear the way for several years of better than expected results. It would also take advantage of the new leader's one chance to blame the sorry state of the organization on his sorry predecessor.

President Obama began this process last night, in his victory speech, when he noted that restoring the country's health might take more than a term. In the next few weeks, he should go well beyond this:

The deficit will be more than $1 trillion a year for several years
The country needs a massive new fiscal stimulus
The housing market will continue to decline through at least 2010
Interest rates and taxes will eventually have to rise (after the economy stabilizes)
Weak corporations have to be allowed to fail
Millions of homeowners will lose their house
Unemployment will probably rise to 10%
The government simply cannot "bail the country out" -- not because it lacks the will, but because it lacks the power
In short, Obama needs to acknowedge reality, erring on the side of overstating the problems and challenges, and he needs to prepare the country for several tough years. Because if he doesn't, within six months of his taking office, the country will have forgotten all about the prior administration and will instead be blaming everything on him.



http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/106822/President-Obama's-First-Step-Reset-Expectations?tickers=%5Edji,%5Egspc,%5Eixic

[rc113943]

Shut the fuck up.

oh thank god your here, i was hoping someone would neg rep me and tell me to STFU ... its been too long ... oh yeahh ... thats it ... that feels gooooood

[rc113943]

Opinion on his first step.




http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/106822/President-Obama's-First-Step-Reset-Expectations?tickers=%5Edji,%5Egspc,%5Eixic


i have a hard time believing within six months, the liberal media and minorities will be blaming their messiah ... obama has a free term, he can do NOTHING for four years, blame it on bush, and promise he is ready to make change if he gets re-elected ... it just took him that long to clean up all the bush mess

[hatepoppy]

the fear of people spending time with me around a card table just created the longest peroid of silence in the past 48 hoursjust fucking go away. you lost. so you dont matter.

we were only silent for that long bc youre too boring and pathetic to warrant a response to a question whose answer is an obvious and resounding 'no.'

[Desperado]

just fucking go away. you lost. so you dont matter.

we were only silent for that long bc youre too boring and pathetic to warrant a response to a question whose answer is an obvious and resounding 'no.'


QFT

[Smokestack]

For me, it's not over. I feel like like the bonds of faux conservatism have been released.

Romney - Jindal 2012
I hope all the millions of people who voted for McCain have huge buyer's remorse. The inability for McCain to carry Indiana is quite telling about the type candidate McCain was.
http://www.kcci.com/news/17749703/detail.html?rss=des&psp=news


I saw this sentiment expressed over at redstate.com as well. Just curious...what do you see as the bonds of faux conservatism that were shackling the party? In what ways do you think they need to recapture the conservatism of old--fiscally, socially, philosophically, etc?

[rc113943]

I saw this sentiment expressed over at redstate.com as well. Just curious...what do you see as the bonds of faux conservatism that were shackling the party? In what ways do you think they need to recapture the conservatism of old--fiscally, socially, philosophically, etc?

Small Government
Fiscally Responsible

let's get back to the basics. we need to have a candidate who is willing to fight for change in the form of returning to the principals and fundamental ideology of the party. that didn't happen this year and we lost.

[Desperado]

Obama transition team announced (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/05/obama-transition-team-announced/)
Posted: 04:32 PM ET
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/11/05/art.obama.biden.11.4.jpg Barack Obama and Joe Biden announced their transition team Wednesday.

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/corner_wire_BL.gif

(CNN) — Barack Obama and Joe Biden formally announced their transition team Wednesday, and named former Clinton chief of staff John Podesta, longtime Obama advisor Valerie Jarrett, and Pete Rouse, Obama's Senate chief of staff, to oversee the operation.
Full announcement after the jump

Chicago - For the past several months, a board of advisors has been informally planning for a possible presidential transition. Among the many projects undertaken by the transition board have been detailed analyses of previous transition efforts, policy statements made during the campaign, and the workings of federal government agencies, and priority positions that must be filled by the incoming administration.
With Barack Obama and Joe Biden's election, this planning process will be now be formally organized as the Obama-Biden Transition Project, a 501(c)(4) organization to ensure a smooth transition from one administration to the next. The work of this entity will be overseen by three co-chairs: John Podesta, Valerie Jarrett, and Pete Rouse.
The co-chairs will be assisted by an advisory board comprised of individuals with significant private and public sector experience: Carol Browner, William Daley, Christopher Edley, Michael Froman, Julius Genachowski, Donald Gips, Governor Janet Napolitano, Federico Peña, Susan Rice, Sonal Shah, Mark Gitenstein, and Ted Kaufman. Gitenstein and Kaufman will serve as co-chairs of Vice President-elect Biden's transition team.
Supervising the day-to-day activities of the transition will be:
Transition Senior Staff:
Chris Lu - Executive Director
Dan Pfeiffer - Communications Director
Stephanie Cutter - Chief Spokesperson
Cassandra Butts - General Counsel
Jim Messina - Personnel Director
Patrick Gaspard - Associate Personnel Director
Christine Varney - Personnel Counsel
Melody Barnes - Co-Director of Agency Review
Lisa Brown - Co-Director of Agency Review
Phil Schiliro - Director of Congressional Relations
Michael Strautmanis - Director of Public Liaison and Intergovernmental Affairs
Katy Kale - Director of Operations
Brad Kiley - Director of Operations

[rc113943]

Among the many projects undertaken by the transition board have been detailed analyses of previous transition efforts, policy statements made during the campaign, and the workings of federal government agencies, and priority positions that must be filled by the incoming administration.


read: promises made that have zero chance of being kept and finding a way to spin it so Bush is blamed

[Desperado]

Haha well its definitely not gonna be the Bush administration..


With hundreds of jobs to fill and only 10 weeks until Inauguration Day, Obama and his transition team confronted a formidable task complicated by his anti-lobbyist campaign rhetoric.
The official campaign Web Site said no political appointees would be permitted to work on "regulations or contracts directly and substantially related to their prior employer for two years. And no political appointee will be able to lobby the executive branch after leaving government service during the remainder of the administration."
But almost exactly one year ago, on Nov. 3, 2007, candidate Obama went considerably further than that while campaigning in South Carolina. "I don't take a dime of their money, and when I am president, they won't find a job in my White House," he said of lobbyists at the time.
Because they often have prior experience in government or politics, lobbyists figure as potential appointees for presidents of both parties.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081105/ap_on_el_pr/obama

[heelsguy]

president bush showed a lot of class today in his comments to obama and his family. on the other hand clinton was too busy stealing furniture and issuing pardons to show any fucking consideration to bush in 2000.

especially since obama spent more time running against Bush than against mccain.

say what you want about his adminsitration, legacy, whatever, but he is a good person and decent man. i read that he speaks the same way to the white house elevator operator as he does to foreign dignitaries.

[Genius]

So...who're the Republicans nominating in 2012? NEW CYCLE TIME, BITCHES!!!

[Tar Heel]

president bush showed a lot of class today in his comments to obama and his family. on the other hand clinton was too busy stealing furniture and issuing pardons to show any fucking consideration to bush in 2000.

especially since obama spent more time running against Bush than against mccain.

say what you want about his adminsitration, legacy, whatever, but he is a good person and decent man. i read that he speaks the same way to the white house elevator operator as he does to foreign dignitaries.

Nomatter how much I dislike some of his actions, I never questioned his intent. I only question his ability to be succesful.

[rc113943]

So...who're the Republicans nominating in 2012? NEW CYCLE TIME, BITCHES!!!

Romney!!!

[Desperado]

Nomatter how much I dislike some of his actions, I never questioned his intent. I only question his ability.


Haha no need to question incompetence... doing a heck of a job Brownie/Gonzales/Ashcroft.

[Genius]

The Republicans were idiots to not nominate Romney this time around. What makes anyone think they won't be equally as stupid next time?

[Insomniac]

president bush showed a lot of class today in his comments to obama and his family. on the other hand clinton was too busy stealing furniture and issuing pardons to show any fucking consideration to bush in 2000.

especially since obama spent more time running against Bush than against mccain.

say what you want about his adminsitration, legacy, whatever, but he is a good person and decent man. i read that he speaks the same way to the white house elevator operator as he does to foreign dignitaries.

The Bush administration will steal and vandalize stuff on the way out, too. It's kind of tradition.

But W. I'm sure genuinely wants what's best for the country, which now means what's best for Obama as president. He's not an evil person, or a uniformly bad president, although he made many serious and indeed some unforgivable mistakes. More than anyone else, he understands what it's like to have the weight of the presidency on him, and I don't think Obama and Bush have any personal dislike toward one another, at least from what Obama wrote in The Audacity of Hope.

[rc113943]

The Bush administration will steal and vandalize stuff on the way out, too. It's kind of tradition.

But W. I'm sure genuinely wants what's best for the country, which now means what's best for Obama as president. He's not an evil person, or a uniformly bad president, although he made many serious and indeed some unforgivable mistakes. More than anyone else, he understands what it's like to have the weight of the presidency on him, and I don't think Obama and Bush have any personal dislike toward one another, at least from what Obama wrote in The Audacity of Hope.

Even Laura Bush said it felt like her husband was running again this year, because of Obama's constant attacks on him, his policies, and his administration. I would have to personally dislike someone like that, if I were W

[Smokestack]

Small Government
Fiscally Responsible

let's get back to the basics. we need to have a candidate who is willing to fight for change in the form of returning to the principals and fundamental ideology of the party. that didn't happen this year and we lost.

Yeah, that's probably true. I think party will also have to unshackle themselves from the religious right while still getting their vote...that's the trick. In a way, McCain was the Republican you describe but unable to pull this off with James Dobson et all dragging him back down. Palin is fool's gold as well.

[heelsguy]

Even Laura Bush said it felt like her husband was running again this year, because of Obama's constant attacks on him, his policies, and his administration. I would have to personally dislike someone like that, if I were W


but President Bush is bigger than that. in fact, can anyone show me any quote where he said anything negative about another US senator, congressman, governor? NO. and believe me, with the 59 books written detailing "behind the scenes at the white house", if he had said anything, it would have been in those books.

all he did was act on faulty intelligence too quickly. and not unilaterally, if you remember. and for that and katrina he has been crucified.

I am just saying all this to frame my original comments about how impressed I am with his heartfelt statements today.

[rc113943]

Yeah, that's probably true. I think party will also have to unshackle themselves from the religious right while still getting their vote...that's the trick. In a way, McCain was the Republican you describe but unable to pull this off with James Dobson et all dragging him back down. Palin is fool's gold as well.


See I disagree, I think McCain was too moderate, he wanted too much reform aimed toward pleasing the middle. We need a candidate who could have stood up and opposed the Bailout Bill, someone who can bring the conservatism that is now in exile back to the front of the Republican Party and be a face for the basic principles. Government is big and getting bigger, and within four years, the American people need someone who can make them aware of what's happening and be willing to put a stop to it!

[rc113943]

but President Bush is bigger than that. in fact, can anyone show me any quote where he said anything negative about another US senator, congressman, governor? NO. and believe me, with the 59 books written detailing "behind the scenes at the white house", if he had said anything, it would have been in those books.

all he did was act on faulty intelligence too quickly. and not unilaterally, if you remember. and for that and katrina he has been crucified.

I am just saying all this to frame my original comments about how impressed I am with his heartfelt statements today.

I agree with what you are saying. In fact, I think W was kind hearted to a fault. He will leave with one of the lowest approval ratings ever because he was never willing to deflect the blame being poured on him by the liberal media, nor were any of his cabinet/cronies willing to stand up and accept any.

It is sad that, right now, it appears W's legacy will be misrepresented in the history books. I hope time can heal some of the wounds and help restore some of the honor to which he served our country the past eight years

[HAWK]

...that and he refuses to pull out.


EDIT: WTF? nObama '12?? What if, God forbid, Obama turns out to be a great prez and does wonderful things for this country? You refuse to vote for him simply because...??

It's motherfuckers like you that make the system suck. Either R or D no matter what shit were fed. I can proudly say that I've voted for both Democratic and Republican nominees.

[Rover]

I saw this sentiment expressed over at redstate.com as well. Just curious...what do you see as the bonds of faux conservatism that were shackling the party? In what ways do you think they need to recapture the conservatism of old--fiscally, socially, philosophically, etc?John McCain is a false conservative. He is not a true conservative. He was the bond. The old saying is that "...Republicans fall in line...," it's true. Conservatives supported Mccain because he is a Republican. Nobody ever bought McCain's bullshit line about being a "...footsoldier in the Reagan Revolution..."

Now there aren't any moderate Republicans left in Congress, except a handful in the Senate. I mean Chris Shays was kicked out in CT, if Shays isn't liberal enough for the voters of CT, god help them all.

Conservatism is still a huge force in this country. California just added an anti-gay marriage amendment to their constitution. As for what conservatives need to do, they need to present conservative alternatives to everything Obama and Pelosi and Reid put out there. Small government solutions to problems. These solutions exist, there just hasn't been anybody to articulate them. Bush isn't an all-around conservative. McCain isn't even in the same fucking ballpark.

Now conservative leadership will shift to the House, where Cantor, Pence, and a handful of others can present articulate, informed, and conservative ideas. There hasn't been someone like that in 14 years, since Newt Gingrich. The Republican party has been to willing to cater to the moderate Republicans.

The bonds to faux conservatism have been broken because McCain didn't win, and the leadership of the GOP is open. Bush won't be able to do it because he'll give Obama the space he needs and Bush was never very partisan anyway. And McCain isn't it because he got his ass handed to him in conservative districts all over the country.

Moderate Republicanism failed, just like it did with Dole. McCain couldn't inspire the base to turn out and his campaign was a big bag of fail. I mean, hell,

California 2008: (numbers are millions of voters)
6.1 (61%) Obama
3.7 (37%) McCain

California 2004:
6.7 (54%) Kerry
5.5 (44%) Bush

California 2000:
5.8 (56%) Gore
4.4 (41%) Bush

Yes, the outcome of the election was pretty clear by the time CA polls closed this year, but McCain, the moderate Republican that all the moderates are supposed to love got crushed. McCain was supposed to be the type of Republican that could win California. Really? Bush got 2 million more votes in CA than McCain. 2 million?!?! And it wasn't just California, it was conservative districts all over the country. Fuck, McCain couldn't even win Indiana.

Oregon 2008: (numbers are hundreds of thousands of votes)
695 (55%) Obama
532 (42%) McCain
(70% reporting)

Oregon 2004:
940 (51%) Kerry
860 (47%) Bush

Oregon 2000:
720 (50%) Gore
713 (49%) Bush
Oregonians should have loved Mr. Moderate McCain, too bad they didn't vote for him. Oregons polls weren't influenced by an early election night, since they were all mail-in. Looks like Bush got more votes in Oregon than Obama did both times (depending on the last 30% to be counted).

I just hope this ends the myth that Republicans need to be moderate to win elections. This country is center-right and McCain's failure proves it.

Yeah, that's probably true. I think party will also have to unshackle themselves from the religious right while still getting their vote...that's the trick. In a way, McCain was the Republican you describe but unable to pull this off with James Dobson et all dragging him back down. Palin is fool's gold as well.Right, because they aren't a political force. Passing Prop 8 in california and everything.

And in a sense, the religious right are always tricked into supporting the Republicans, much like the Democrats do with blacks. Republicans always pay lip service to banning abortion and a national ban on gay marriage. I'm not saying the Republicans don't support these goals, I'm saying they use these goals as a method of getting their vote. Talk about them, but never actually try to resolve these issues.

McCain isn't a conservative.

[vasili denisov]

At the Obama headquarters in midsummer, technology experts detected what they initially thought was a computer virus—a case of "phishing," a form of hacking often employed to steal passwords or credit-card numbers. But by the next day, both the FBI and the Secret Service came to the campaign with an ominous warning: "You have a problem way bigger than what you understand," an agent told Obama's team. "You have been compromised, and a serious amount of files have been loaded off your system." The following day, Obama campaign chief David Plouffe heard from White House chief of staff Josh Bolten, to the same effect: "You have a real problem ... and you have to deal with it." The Feds told Obama's aides in late August that the McCain campaign's computer system had been similarly compromised. A top McCain official confirmed to NEWSWEEK that the campaign's computer system had been hacked and that the FBI had become involved.

Officials at the FBI and the White House told the Obama campaign that they believed a foreign entity or organization sought to gather information on the evolution of both camps' policy positions—information that might be useful in negotiations with a future administration.

NEWSWEEK has also learned that Palin's shopping spree at high-end department stores was more extensive than previously reported. While publicly supporting Palin, McCain's top advisers privately fumed at what they regarded as her outrageous profligacy. One senior aide said that Nicolle Wallace had told Palin to buy three suits for the convention and hire a stylist. But instead, the vice presidential nominee began buying for herself and her family—clothes and accessories from top stores such as Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus. According to two knowledgeable sources, a vast majority of the clothes were bought by a wealthy donor, who was shocked when he got the bill. Palin also used low-level staffers to buy some of the clothes on their credit cards. The McCain campaign found out last week when the aides sought reimbursement. One aide estimated that she spent "tens of thousands" more than the reported $150,000, and that $20,000 to $40,000 went to buy clothes for her husband. Some articles of clothing have apparently been lost. An angry aide characterized the shopping spree as "Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast," and said the truth will eventually come out when the Republican Party audits its books.

McCain himself rarely spoke to Palin during the campaign, and aides kept him in the dark about the details of her spending on clothes because they were sure he would be offended. Palin asked to speak along with McCain at his Arizona concession speech Tuesday night, but campaign strategist Steve Schmidt vetoed the request.


http://www.newsweek.com/id/167581

[Ace Rockola]

Conservatism is still a huge force in this country. California just added an anti-gay marriage amendment to their constitution.

Isn't the government intervening in the public's personal affairs the opposite of conservatism?

[Axel]

Yes, the outcome of the election was pretty clear by the time CA polls closed this year, but McCain, the moderate Republican that all the moderates are supposed to love got crushed. McCain was supposed to be the type of Republican that could win California. Really? Bush got 2 million more votes in CA than McCain. 2 million?!?!
Rover, are you really that stupid: McCain lost all those votes because of all-true conservative Bush and his lousy management of the country – if he is a bright sword of conservatives than fuck it.

[Rover]

I keep forgetting that Axel is an expert on American conservatism.

[Axel]

More in general terms, you are senile.

[Rover]

Bush isn't a conservative, dipshit. He's just way, way better at pretending than McCain.

[satandole666]

I <3 Black People

[URFloorMatt]

Conservatism is still a huge force in this country. California just added an anti-gay marriage amendment to their constitution.But the exit polls show that the only reason the amendment passed was because of overwhelming African American support, and they all voted for Obama, the "most liberal member of the Senate," the "most liberal person ever to run for President"--indeed a "Socialist."

In South Dakota, for the second time, a state amendment banning abortion failed. I think you're confusing homophobia with conservatism, and the gay marriage bans are about the only thing Republicans have to hang their hats on this election, aside from nominating as Vice President a "reformer" from a state that had no problem re-electing a convicted felon to the Senate.

Moderate Republicanism failed, just like it did with Dole. McCain couldn't inspire the base to turn out and his campaign was a big bag of fail.Personally, I think the extreme wings of the Republican party throw up moderate Republicans for slaughter explicitly with the purpose of driving the party further to the right. I voted Obama, but I would've voted for Dole or McCain if they were put up against opponents like Dukakis or Kerry.

I just hope this ends the myth that Republicans need to be moderate to win elections. This country is center-right and McCain's failure proves it.I have to return to my earlier point. How does rejecting a moderate Republican in favor of a liberal Democrat "prove" that America is center-right? This is nonsensical beyond words.

[Yelram]

Alright, i'm going to drink the Koolaid for a second. Alot of the things Obama said originally, I was very fond of. I saw him during the primaries, as an out of the box politician. And thats why I switched to democrat to vote for him, that and the fear of Hillary. Then when he got the nomination, he took a hard swing left, then once he got footing, he swung right. This swinging scared me, mainly because of Obama's lack of experience. I still dont know exactly where he stands, but I have a feelings its alot further right than most democrats will be willing to admit. The funniest scenario would be, Barack is a conservative, that used a bunch of democrats to elect him. Mainly because he knew, running on a republican ticket would be an impossible hill to climb.

[Desperado]

Alright, i'm going to drink the Koolaid for a second. Alot of the things Obama said originally, I was very fond of. I saw him during the primaries, as an out of the box politician. And thats why I switched to democrat to vote for him, that and the fear of Hillary. Then when he got the nomination, he took a hard swing left, then once he got footing, he swung right. This swinging scared me, mainly because of Obama's lack of experience. I still dont know exactly where he stands, but I have a feelings its alot further right than most democrats will be willing to admit. The funniest scenario would be, Barack is a conservative, that used a bunch of democrats to elect him. Mainly because he knew, running on a republican ticket would be an impossible hill to climb.


His choice for chief of staff doesnt really support this theory, but we shall see.

[Yelram]

His choice for chief of staff doesnt really support this theory, but we shall see.
Very very true... And the stock market must not think that either.

[Ace Rockola]

Conservatism is still a huge force in this country. California just added an anti-gay marriage amendment to their constitution.

Isn't the government intervening in the public's personal affairs the opposite of conservatism?

[Pax Britannia]

Alright, i'm going to drink the Koolaid for a second. Alot of the things Obama said originally, I was very fond of. I saw him during the primaries, as an out of the box politician. And thats why I switched to democrat to vote for him, that and the fear of Hillary. Then when he got the nomination, he took a hard swing left, then once he got footing, he swung right. This swinging scared me, mainly because of Obama's lack of experience. I still dont know exactly where he stands, but I have a feelings its alot further right than most democrats will be willing to admit. The funniest scenario would be, Barack is a conservative, that used a bunch of democrats to elect him. Mainly because he knew, running on a republican ticket would be an impossible hill to climb.

If you believe that then the parallels between him and Tony Blair will only increase. As far as I can see their very similar:

Cult of personality - short on policys
Elected by massive majorites for 'change'
Loose ideological loyalties
Heads a left wing party but isnt afraid of stealing ideas from the right

And here's what will happen to Obama if he echoes Blair:

Is moderately successful in improving the country however he doesnt fundamentally change anything because the system is simply too strong. Proves ultimately to be a dissapointment.

[vasili denisov]

Very very true... And the stock market must not think that either.

The index by the private Institute for Supply Management (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/i/institute_for_supply_management/index.html?inline=nyt-org) dropped to 44.4, from 50.2 in September, on a scale where readings below 50 indicate contraction, the group said on Wednesday.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/06/business/worldbusiness/06markets.html?hp

If it's ever possible to identify a single reason for a market drop, that would be the one for today. You can exclude Obama's election because: 1) Obama's polling lead had been sustained and strong enough yesterday that traders could anticipate his election 2) in the period between his election and before the release of the supply management report asian markets rose.

[Feng]

I hope we never have to see Joe The Plumber or Sarah The Barracuda Palin again... I doubt McCain will go away, but hopefully we'll never have to hear "My Friends" again, or watch him do his random pointing in to the crowd, ever again...

[Claydon]

I hope we never have to see Joe The Plumber or Sarah The Barracuda Palin again... I doubt McCain will go away, but hopefully we'll never have to hear "My Friends" again, or watch him do his random pointing in to the crowd, ever again...

McCain is very well respected in Washington, he will never be the president but he will be seen on the Sunday morning talk shows and larry king.

[Claydon]

Is moderately successful in improving the country however he doesnt fundamentally change anything because the system is simply too strong. Proves ultimately to be a dissapointment.

I thought Tony was the saviour of the monarchy?!

[Pax Britannia]

I thought Tony was the saviour of the monarchy?!

Your kidding right? His wife wouldnt even bow to the Queen because she's such a hard core socialist Catholic.

He gave her some timely advice to get her head out of her ass when Diana died but thats about it.

[Grieves]

Isn't the government intervening in the public's personal affairs the opposite of conservatism?Yes. That is also why it should stop giving benefits at the expense of people who chose to remain single to heterosexuals that get married, as well.

[Insomniac]

I agree with what you are saying. In fact, I think W was kind hearted to a fault. He will leave with one of the lowest approval ratings ever because he was never willing to deflect the blame being poured on him by the liberal media, nor were any of his cabinet/cronies willing to stand up and accept any.

It is sad that, right now, it appears W's legacy will be misrepresented in the history books. I hope time can heal some of the wounds and help restore some of the honor to which he served our country the past eight years

I don't remember a single time when Bush said he screwed up, much less took blame for something.

[freegood]

Lipstick?

http://www.newsweek.com/id/167581/page/2
...
NEWSWEEK has also learned that Palin's shopping spree at high-end department stores was more extensive than previously reported. While publicly supporting Palin, McCain's top advisers privately fumed at what they regarded as her outrageous profligacy. One senior aide said that Nicolle Wallace had told Palin to buy three suits for the convention and hire a stylist. But instead, the vice presidential nominee began buying for herself and her family—clothes and accessories from top stores such as Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus. According to two knowledgeable sources, a vast majority of the clothes were bought by a wealthy donor, who was shocked when he got the bill. Palin also used low-level staffers to buy some of the clothes on their credit cards. The McCain campaign found out last week when the aides sought reimbursement. One aide estimated that she spent "tens of thousands" more than the reported $150,000, and that $20,000 to $40,000 went to buy clothes for her husband. Some articles of clothing have apparently been lost. An angry aide characterized the shopping spree as "Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast," and said the truth will eventually come out when the Republican Party audits its books.

A Palin aide said: "Governor Palin was not directing staffers to put anything on their personal credit cards, and anything that staffers put on their credit cards has been reimbursed, like an expense. Nasty and false accusations following a defeat say more about the person who made them than they do about Governor Palin."

McCain himself rarely spoke to Palin during the campaign, and aides kept him in the dark about the details of her spending on clothes because they were sure he would be offended. Palin asked to speak along with McCain at his Arizona concession speech Tuesday night, but campaign strategist Steve Schmidt vetoed the request.

...

On the Sunday night before the last debate, McCain's core group of advisers—Steve Schmidt, Rick Davis, adman Fred Davis, strategist Greg Strimple, pollster Bill McInturff and strategy director Sarah Simmons—met to decide whether to tell McCain that the race was effectively over, that he no longer had a chance to win. The consensus in the room was no, not yet, not while he still had "a pulse."
...

McCain also was reluctant to use Obama's incendiary pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, as a campaign issue. The Republican had set firm boundaries: no Jeremiah Wright; no attacking Michelle Obama; no attacking Obama for not serving in the military. McCain balked at an ad using images of children that suggested that Obama might not protect them from terrorism. Schmidt vetoed ads suggesting that Obama was soft on crime (no Willie Hortons). And before word even got to McCain, Schmidt and Salter scuttled a "celebrity" ad of Obama dancing with talk-show host Ellen DeGeneres (the sight of a black man dancing with a lesbian was deemed too provocative).

# McCain also was reluctant to use Obama's incendiary pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, as a campaign issue. The Republican had set firm boundaries: no Jeremiah Wright; no attacking Michelle Obama; no attacking Obama for not serving in the military. McCain balked at an ad using images of children that suggested that Obama might not protect them from terrorism. Schmidt vetoed ads suggesting that Obama was soft on crime (no Willie Hortons). And before word even got to McCain, Schmidt and Salter scuttled a "celebrity" ad of Obama dancing with talk-show host Ellen DeGeneres (the sight of a black man dancing with a lesbian was deemed too provocative).
# Obama was never inclined to choose Sen. Hillary Clinton as his running mate, not so much because she had been his sometime bitter rival on the campaign trail, but because of her husband. Still, as Hillary's name came up in veep discussions, and Obama's advisers gave all the reasons why she should be kept off the ticket, Obama would stop and ask, "Are we sure?" He needed to be convinced one more time that the Clintons would do more harm than good. McCain, on the other hand, was relieved to face Sen. Joe Biden as the veep choice, and not Hillary Clinton, whom the McCain camp had truly feared.
# McCain was dumbfounded when Congressman John Lewis, a civil-rights hero, issued a press release comparing the GOP nominee with former Alabama governor George Wallace, a segregationist infamous for stirring racial fears. McCain had devoted a chapter to Lewis in one of his books, "Why Courage Matters," and had so admired Lewis that he had once taken his children to meet him.
# On the night she officially lost the Democratic nomination, Hillary Clinton enjoyed a long and friendly phone conversation with McCain. Clinton was actually on better terms with McCain than she was with Obama. Clinton and McCain had downed shots together on Senate junkets; they regarded each other as grizzled veterans of the political wars and shared a certain disdain for Obama as flashy and callow.
# At the GOP convention in St. Paul, Palin was completely unfazed by the boys' club fraternity she had just joined. One night, Steve Schmidt and Mark Salter went to her hotel room to brief her. After a minute, Palin sailed into the room wearing nothing but a towel, with another on her wet hair. She told them to chat with her laconic husband, Todd. "I'll be just a minute," she said.
# The debates unnerved both candidates. When he was preparing for them during the Democratic primaries, Obama was recorded saying, "I don't consider this to be a good format for me, which makes me more cautious. I often find myself trapped by the questions and thinking to myself, 'You know, this is a stupid question, but let me … answer it.' So when Brian Williams is asking me about what's a personal thing that you've done [that's green], and I say, you know, 'Well, I planted a bunch of trees.' And he says, 'I'm talking about personal.' What I'm thinking in my head is, 'Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I f---ing changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective'."

[rc113943]

Watch the O'Reilly factor tonight, they go pretty deep into all the things that happened once Palin was named to the ticket.

ugly, man. wow - so much for her 15 minutes of fame

[Insomniac]

I was just reading that article, freegood.

[Pax Britannia]

Watch the O'Reilly factor tonight, they go pretty deep into all the things that happened once Palin was named to the ticket.

ugly, man. wow - so much for her 15 minutes of fame

She thought Africa was a country? Thats gotta be bullshit.

[Genius]

This is awesome.

# The debates unnerved both candidates. When he was preparing for them during the Democratic primaries, Obama was recorded saying, "I don't consider this to be a good format for me, which makes me more cautious. I often find myself trapped by the questions and thinking to myself, 'You know, this is a stupid question, but let me … answer it.' So when Brian Williams is asking me about what's a personal thing that you've done [that's green], and I say, you know, 'Well, I planted a bunch of trees.' And he says, 'I'm talking about personal.' What I'm thinking in my head is, 'Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I f---ing changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective'."

[Insomniac]

She thought Africa was a country? Thats gotta be bullshit.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/05/palin-africa-continent/

[Pax Britannia]

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/05/palin-africa-continent/

I know, I saw the Fox Report and the O'Reilly factor. I just find it really hard to believe.

[Desperado]

Man im gonna love it when someone in the mccain camp writes the tell all book... possible title, "The Idiot Palin".

[rc113943]

I know, I saw the Fox Report and the O'Reilly factor. I just find it really hard to believe.


let's be honest, there is are two reasons fox would release a report that damning of a republican

a) it's true
or
b) they know there is chance she could run in 2012 and want to make sure there is no f'n way that she'd stand a chance

[rc113943]

Man im gonna love it when someone in the mccain camp writes the tell all book... possible title, "The Idiot Palin".

with color pictures of the "only wearing a towel" part

[Feng]

Man im gonna love it when someone in the mccain camp writes the tell all book... possible title, "The Idiot Palin".

Other possible book titles:

"The Palin Factor"

"Palinocracy"

"Palienation"

"Got Palin?"

[Desperado]

let's be honest, there is are two reasons fox would release a report that damning of a republican

a) it's true
or
b) they know there is chance she could run in 2012 and want to make sure there is no f'n way that she'd stand a chance

c) a&b

But seriously... this shouldn't shock anyone. I'll always remember when they left michigan and she said, "Do we have to?".

[rc113943]

c) a&b

But seriously... this shouldn't shock anybody. I always remember when they left michigan,"Do we have to?".

yeah sorry i forgot c .. thats the one i believe, too

[TheImpossibleMan]

MMMMmmm delicious post election bliss.

[Hobnail_Boot]

Black Man Given Nation's Worst Job (http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/black_man_given_nations)

[Smokestack]

John McCain is a false conservative. He is not a true conservative. He was the bond. The old saying is that "...Republicans fall in line...," it's true. Conservatives supported Mccain because he is a Republican. Nobody ever bought McCain's bullshit line about being a "...footsoldier in the Reagan Revolution..."

Now there aren't any moderate Republicans left in Congress, except a handful in the Senate. I mean Chris Shays was kicked out in CT, if Shays isn't liberal enough for the voters of CT, god help them all.

Conservatism is still a huge force in this country. California just added an anti-gay marriage amendment to their constitution. As for what conservatives need to do, they need to present conservative alternatives to everything Obama and Pelosi and Reid put out there. Small government solutions to problems. These solutions exist, there just hasn't been anybody to articulate them. Bush isn't an all-around conservative. McCain isn't even in the same fucking ballpark.

Now conservative leadership will shift to the House, where Cantor, Pence, and a handful of others can present articulate, informed, and conservative ideas. There hasn't been someone like that in 14 years, since Newt Gingrich. The Republican party has been to willing to cater to the moderate Republicans.

The bonds to faux conservatism have been broken because McCain didn't win, and the leadership of the GOP is open. Bush won't be able to do it because he'll give Obama the space he needs and Bush was never very partisan anyway. And McCain isn't it because he got his ass handed to him in conservative districts all over the country.

Moderate Republicanism failed, just like it did with Dole. McCain couldn't inspire the base to turn out and his campaign was a big bag of fail. I mean, hell,

Couldn't inspire the base? Your whole premise is a big bag of fail. Here's where McCain did better than Bush:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/images/2008/11/05/mccainmap_2.jpg (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/11/05/mccainmap_2.jpg)




Yes, the outcome of the election was pretty clear by the time CA polls closed this year, but McCain, the moderate Republican that all the moderates are supposed to love got crushed. McCain was supposed to be the type of Republican that could win California. Really? Bush got 2 million more votes in CA than McCain. 2 million?!?! And it wasn't just California, it was conservative districts all over the country. Fuck, McCain couldn't even win Indiana.

Oregonians should have loved Mr. Moderate McCain, too bad they didn't vote for him. Oregons polls weren't influenced by an early election night, since they were all mail-in. Looks like Bush got more votes in Oregon than Obama did both times (depending on the last 30% to be counted).

I just hope this ends the myth that Republicans need to be moderate to win elections. This country is center-right and McCain's failure proves it.

Proves it? Do you even pay attention to the news? McCain might have been a moderate conservative but he ran way to the right of that. His campaign wasn't an appeal to moderates...it was an appeal to conservatives, a base that is shrinking.

Right, because they aren't a political force. Passing Prop 8 in california and everything.

And in a sense, the religious right are always tricked into supporting the Republicans, much like the Democrats do with blacks. Republicans always pay lip service to banning abortion and a national ban on gay marriage. I'm not saying the Republicans don't support these goals, I'm saying they use these goals as a method of getting their vote. Talk about them, but never actually try to resolve these issues.

Right, Prop 8 failing is great evidence, especially since the Democratic ticket was pro-gay marriage. Wait, it wasn't. That was a terrible point for you to make.

McCain isn't a conservative.

Maybe not, but he ran a conservative campaign. You kind of answered my original question, saying you're looking for smaller government and continued social conservatism in your break from "faux conservatism." Hey man, your recipe for failure and I give you your new champion:

MWZHTJsR4Bc

[Le Goat]

snooze

[Stax]

Rover, please do not even pretend to know shit about the voters of CT.

[taters]

I love how when conservatives lose, their answer is "we arent being conservative ENOUGH".

Thats what they claimed in 06, they are saying it again now. Its far out of their minds (considering the huge ass whipping they have recieved again) that maybe its not that they arent conservative enough, maybe they are TOO conservative?

David Frum, Newt Gringrich and a few other big repubs have been saying this recently, the republicans are falling behind the times. They no longer represent the face of america. They represent old, white, highly religious, wealthy people. In other words, they are American politics of the 50-70s. The country is a different place now, and they will continue to lose EVERY election until they, like the democrats before them, take a look at themselves and change.

[Claydon]

can we all just neg tater into oblivion?

[taters]

can we all just neg tater into oblivion?

You show your 'newness' here with that very question.

I may go as far as saying Im a bit of a 'legend' as far as negs go. Ask the Admins. To say they have no affect on me is an understatement.

I spent the greater part of a year with -1 million neg points. It reached a point where people started pos-ing me if they wanted to neg me, since I was egging folks on to get the record (which I still have, unless it was broken in the year I was gone). And thats not even mentioning the side-bans (back when the 'jail' section was still up) or the outright ban.

But, if it makes you feel better, go ahead. I wont let up on you tho. Fag.

[Claydon]

You show your 'newness' here with that very question.

I may go as far as saying Im a bit of a 'legend' as far as negs go. Ask the Admins. To say they have no affect on me is an understatement.

I spent the greater part of a year with -1 million neg points. It reached a point where people started pos-ing me if they wanted to neg me, since I was egging folks on to get the record (which I still have, unless it was broken in the year I was gone). And thats not even mentioning the side-bans (back when the 'jail' section was still up) or the outright ban.

But, if it makes you feel better, go ahead. I wont let up on you tho. Fag.


hey fuck stick, i was here in the mindless bullshit days well before your fucktardness. in fact i remember when you got banned and you came crying to me. i also remember your gay ass anime av. so fuck off.

[Desperado]

Couldn't inspire the base? Your whole premise is a big bag of fail. Here's where McCain did better than Bush:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/images/2008/11/05/mccainmap_2.jpg (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/11/05/mccainmap_2.jpg)




Lost in all this... we look over this great graph!!!

[Penguin Rick]

I know this election is over and everything, but I figured I might as well post this in here.

Last night, I went to Grant Park to see Obama's acceptance speech. It wasn't planned or anything, me and some friends figured it was some 30 miles away, and that's too close for history to be made and to miss it. It was an amazing experience, and the atmosphere was unlike anything I've ever been in. The only thing I could compare this to (in sense of historical drama) is being there for when Barry Bonds hit home run #755 to tie Henry Aaron's record (I know these are two completely separate things). But the atmosphere last night was so much more intense, and it felt as if a million people were there, most of them yelling or crying for joy. It's something I'm really glad to have been a part of, and I'm sure I'm never going to forget it. I can probably tell my kids about it when they read about the 2008 election in 20 some years, and I can actually tell them I was there.

[taters]

hey fuck stick, i was here in the mindless bullshit days well before your fucktardness. in fact i remember when you got banned and you came crying to me. i also remember your gay ass anime av. so fuck off.

As I remember it, you were banned for harassing one of the female posters. And it was you who came crying to me, in a different handle.

Funny how some moron who thinks conservatives are a race, whos probably in high school is begging people to neg me.

But enough with this, your boring me. Stick to the subject at hand. And that subject = Your side fucking lost, for the second election in a row and you still havent learned your lesson.

[Claydon]

As I remember it, you were banned for harassing one of the female posters. And it was you who came crying to me, in a different handle.

Funny how some moron who thinks conservatives are a race, whos probably in high school is begging people to neg me.

But enough with this, your boring me. Stick to the subject at hand. And that subject = Your side fucking lost, for the second election in a row and you still havent learned your lesson.

harass....no.... stalk...yes!

[Insomniac]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/05/us/politics/05recon.html?hp


The story of Mr. Obama’s journey to the pinnacle of American politics is the story of a campaign that was, even in the view of many rivals, almost flawless. But Mr. Obama and his aides believed from the outset that it would have to be nothing less than that if he was to overcome obstacles that sometimes in the drama of the year became easy to forget: that this was a black man with an unusual name and exotic past, someone dogged by a stubborn (and inaccurate) belief among some voters that he is a Muslim, who began plotting his presidential run less than two years after moving from the Illinois Legislature to the United States Senate (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/s/senate/index.html?inline=nyt-org).

As Mr.Obama reminded Americans on Tuesday night in his victory speech, “I was never the likeliest candidate for the office.”

The two captains of his effort, the disheveled David Axelrod (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/a/david_axelrod/index.html?inline=nyt-per), his close friend and political strategist, and the meticulous David Plouffe (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/p/david_plouffe/index.html?inline=nyt-per), the campaign manager, had never been on a team that had won a presidential nomination, much less a general election.

While two of the Democratic primary rivals — Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/hillary_rodham_clinton/index.html?inline=nyt-per) of New York and John Edwards (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/e/john_edwards/index.html?inline=nyt-per) of North Carolina — as well as his eventual Republican opponent, Mr. McCain, had spent years planning for this race, Mr. Obama had no organization and no clear idea of what he was getting into.

He was so unfamiliar with the requirements of a national campaign that his aides drafted a set of mock schedules to show him the states where he would have to invest a lot of time. When Mr. Obama, the father of two young girls, asked if he could go home on weekends, his aides replied: Not if you want to win.

Yet after a somewhat lackluster start — it is hard now to appreciate how formidable a front-runner Mrs. Clinton appeared to be just a year ago — Mr. Obama and his team delivered. They developed a strategy to secure the nomination, and stuck with it even after setbacks.

They used the newest technology and old-fashioned organizing skills to harness the grass-roots enthusiasm his candidacy generated to help raise record sums of money and build a volunteer army to turn out the vote. They carefully researched how to handle the issue of race, and worked at making voters comfortable with the idea of putting a black family in the White House.

They rolled the dice at times, like when Mr. Obama confronted his association with his fiery former pastor by delivering a major speech on race. And they played it safe when they could, as in the selection of Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/joseph_r_jr_biden/index.html?inline=nyt-per) of Delaware as his running mate.

Taking the tightly run Bush 2004 campaign as a model, Mr. Obama’s campaign did not waver from its core theme of change. It tolerated no drama and did not endure a single staff shakeup, in contrast to the turmoil that marked the Clinton and McCain campaigns. Mr. Obama kept himself, and his team, on an even keel — a character trait that paid immense dividends in the closing stages, when his understated approach to the economic crisis came off to many voters as steady leadership.

“It was perfectly run; it made few mistakes,” Mr. Schmidt, Mr. McCain’s strategist, said of the Obama campaign. “And it took full advantage of an environment where the American people had turned on the incumbent president of the Republican Party (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/r/republican_party/index.html?inline=nyt-org) and badly wanted change.”

Mr. Obama, Mr. Schmidt continued, “was a once-in-a-generation orator. A good debater. And an eloquent message. He was the beneficiary of favorable media coverage. Ice-cold disciplined about the execution of his campaign message. He was an extremely formidable candidate.”

[freegood]

They had a really good primary strategy, and that usually doesn't translate too well into a national one, so they developed a different one. By then their crazy money funding met with "old money" in traditional power donors (150 million in one month) which allowed Obama's planners to do whatever they pleased while McCain had one arm tied behind his back and the other tied to Palin.

[fuldstændigamok]

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/05/palin-africa-continent/

It's going to be interesting hearing all the guys who critisized the LA Times journalists for lack of integrity trying to defend the Fox journalists on this case. I expect a boat load of hypocritical bullshit from them on this one, even more so than usual.

[Stax]

Hey, some Robert Novak hypocrisy (http://www.suntimes.com/news/novak/1260688,CST-NWS-novak05.article)

Despite resounding progressive victories last night, conservative pundits continue to repeat the myth of a conservative country. Right-wing pundit Robert Novak climbed aboard the bandwagon, writing today that neither the large Democratic gains nor Obama’s sweeping popular and electoral vote margins were proof of a mandate:

The first Democratic Electoral College landslide in decades did not result in a tight race for control of Congress. […]

[Obama] may have opened the door to enactment of the long-deferred liberal agenda, but he neither received a broad mandate from the public nor the needed large congressional majorities.

Novak dismissed Democratic congressional gains, noting that they “fell several votes short of the 60-vote filibuster-proof Senate.” However, in 2004 — as President Bush crowed about his “political capital” — Novak didn’t hesitate to agree that Bush’s comparatively narrow victory was proof of a conservative mandate, in a CNN interview just days after the election:

Q: Bob Novak, is 51 percent of the vote really a mandate?

NOVAK: Of course it is. It’s a 3.5 million vote margin. But the people who are saying that it isn’t a mandate are the same people who were predicting that John Kerry would win. … So the people who say there’s not a mandate want the president, now that he’s won, to say, Oh, we’re going to accept the liberalism that the — that the voters rejected. But Mark, this is a conservative country, and it showed it on last Tuesday. [11/06/04]

As of now, Obama’s popular vote margin stands at 7,401,289 — more than twice Bush’s 2004 vote margin — and Obama has netted 63 more electoral votes than Bush in 2004. In his column, Novak dismissed the Democratic Senate gains this year, even though they have netted five seats for a total of 56, with three more seats potentially up for grabs. By contrast, the conservatives’ so-called 2004 “mandate” netted only four new seats for a total of 55.

[Desperado]

Hey, some Robert Novak hypocrisy (http://www.suntimes.com/news/novak/1260688,CST-NWS-novak05.article)


I wish this guy would fucking die already...

[kareyn01]

I wish this guy would fucking die already...

I think he's been dead for the past 10 years. From the neck up at least.

[Limp]

I think he's been dead for the past 10 years. From the neck up at least.
I don't think I want to know how you know he is alive from the neck down.... faggot.

[Desperado]

Enjoyed this read... I just took a few points out.


Greene: Ten things about a remarkable week (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/06/greene-ten-things-about-a-remarkable-week/)
Posted: 10:33 AM ET

From CNN Contributor Bob Greene (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/tag/cnn-contributor-bob-greene/)
ABOARD THE CNN EXPRESS
(http://cnn.com/electionexpress)
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/11/06/celebrate.jpg
Photo by Tasos Katopodis/Getty Images
CHICAGO, Illinois (CNN)– Quite a week. Here are ten pieces of supporting evidence:
1. If my reading of statistics is correct– never a certainty when my favorite truck-stop dining companion of 2008, Bill Schneider, is off the bus– Barack Obama did something perhaps even more impressive this week than becoming the first African-American to win the presidency.
He also became the person who, in the entire history of the United States, won the most number of popular votes in a presidential election.
Granted, the population grows between each election year, thereby increasing the total possible number of votes. But still. No one has ever received more votes than Obama did this week.
2. To put the above into a little perspective:
In 2000, the year the man whom Obama is replacing as president, George W. Bush, was elected, Obama was defeated in a congressional primary– a primary– by Bobby Rush, who first came to local prominence in the 1960s as a founder of the Illinois chapter of the Black Panther Party.
Eight years later, not only is Obama president-elect, but no one– not Lyndon Johnson, not Ronald Reagan, not Bill Clinton– has ever received more votes on an Election Night.
3. You know what it looks like when football teams run onto the field between long parallel lines of high-kicking cheerleaders?
That’s what it looked like for pedestrians walking north on Michigan Avenue from Grant Park after midnight on Election Night, except instead of cheerleaders there were twin lines of Chicago police officers, and they weren’t doing high kicks.
Chicago felt like Pleasantville. No one leaving Grant Park– a place that has, from time to time, had its problems on big nights– was going to be mugged, panhandled, or even spoken to impolitely by strangers. Mayor Richard M. Daley desires nothing more than for Chicago to be awarded the 2016 Olympic Games, and trouble in or around Grant Park this week could have ended that dream.
Just thinking about this week‘s police overtime costs is enough to make you dizzy.

6. On a serious– more than serious– note:
Some of the things we heard said about Barack Obama, in big cities and small towns as we traveled toward Election Day, were– to use a word whose very definition is ambiguous these days– unprintable.
And even as he was on the stage in Grant Park, thanking his supporters, it was impossible to wash away the memory of those words. They are enough to keep a person awake far into the night.
7. On a related note:
Maybe the most chilling words we heard at Grant Park on Election Night, as we interviewed people arriving for the event, came from an African-American voter named James Lewis, 28, who had proudly cast his ballot for Obama.
We asked him: Did he believe that, by the end of the night, Obama would be the next president?
“I won’t believe it even if he does win,” Lewis said, a tinge of sadness in his voice. “I won’t believe he’s president until he is actually inaugurated.”
We asked what he meant by that.
“Just what it sounds like,” he said. “I worry. I hope he is elected tonight, but I won’t believe he is president until the moment I see him sworn in.”
And then he headed into the park, to await the results.

[Rover]

I know, I saw the Fox Report and the O'Reilly factor. I just find it really hard to believe.

let's be honest, there is are two reasons fox would release a report that damning of a republican

a) it's true
or
b) they know there is chance she could run in 2012 and want to make sure there is no f'n way that she'd stand a chanceEven during the campaign, I was reading things that said Romney loyalists were trying their best to sabatogue Palin. I'm not saying these things aren't true, if they are McCain's worse than I've always thought.

Couldn't inspire the base? Your whole premise is a big bag of fail. Here's where McCain did better than Bush:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/images/2008/11/05/mccainmap_2.jpg (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/11/05/mccainmap_2.jpg)
This graph shows that McCain really turned out the base in Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Tennessee. And nowhere else. How does this graph disprove my premise that McCain failed to turnout the base.
Proves it? Do you even pay attention to the news? McCain might have been a moderate conservative but he ran way to the right of that. His campaign wasn't an appeal to moderates...it was an appeal to conservatives, a base that is shrinking.Right. I keep forgetting that a trillion dollar bailout, global warming paranoia, and his amnesty plan are conservative ideals. Just because the mainstream media is telling you, "John McCain shifted to the hard right! Where's his honor?," doesnt' mean conservatives believe he's an actual conservative.

Right, Prop 8 failing is great evidence, especially since the Democratic ticket was pro-gay marriage. Wait, it wasn't. That was a terrible point for you to make.So, when a socially conservative ballot proposal passes that isn't evidence of social conservatism?

[TheImpossibleMan]

The country has been corely conservative since, say, 1968 or 1972. Sure, we've had Democratic presidents and Democratic congresses, and we had an enormously popular two-term Democrat in Clinton, but at it's heart the country was conservative. I think Tuesday marked a turning point, when the country shifts back to the left, much in the same way it shifted to the left in '32 and shifted to the right in the early 70's.

[TheImpossibleMan]

I repeat: Republicans and conservatives, please talk to me about Bobby Jindal. I don't know anything about him outside of his ethnicity, age, and that he is governor of Louisiana, and I would like your perspectives on him.

[Tar Heel]

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/images/2008/11/05/mccainmap_2.jpg

The other funny thing about this map is that over half of those places where McCain beat bush were hurricane ravished gulf coast where it was fairly evident that, at the very least, bush appointed incompetent leaders.

[}{arlequin]

http://avatar.movetoiceland.com/ZZ567F2FB3.jpg

[kareyn01]

I repeat:

Here are some bullet points:

-he opposes abortion without exception for rape or incest
-he opposes embyonic stem cell research
-supported a constitutional amendment banning flag burning
-voted to make the PATRIOT act permanent
-Pepublicans for Environmental Protection gave him a -4 rating (one of its lowest in Congress)
-as a congressman, he voted with the Republican caucus 97 percent of the time
-his earmark funding was 14th-highest among all congressmen
-supports the teaching of intelligent design in schools
-this year he signed the Chemical Castration Bill authorizing chemical castration for convicted sex offenders

Basically, he's an Indian-immigrant version of George Bush. He's Rush Limbaugh's wet dream and my nightmare.

[fuldstændigamok]

Here are some bullet points:

-he opposes abortion without exception for rape or incest
-he opposes embyonic stem cell research
-supported a constitutional amendment banning flag burning
-voted to make the PATRIOT act permanent
-Pepublicans for Environmental Protection gave him a -4 rating (one of its lowest in Congress)
-as a congressman, he voted with the Republican caucus 97 percent of the time
-his earmark funding was 14th-highest among all congressmen
-supports the teaching of intelligent design in schools
-this year he signed the Chemical Castration Bill authorizing chemical castration for convicted sex offenders

Basically, he's an Indian-immigrant version of George Bush. He's Rush Limbaugh's wet dream and my nightmare.

Wow, he's worse than Palin?

[hatepoppy]

Wow, he's worse than Palin?dont worry, shes not biased.

[Rover]

Wow, he's worse than Palin?Except he's brilliant. He turned down Harvard and Yale law and medical schools to study at Oxford. He ran the Louisiana department of health. He was president of the University of Louisiana system. He was an assistant secretary of health. He was elected to Congress twice. Elected governor once.

And he just turned 37 years old.

[hatepoppy]

Except he's brilliant. He turned down Harvard and Yale law and medical schools to study at Oxford. He ran the Louisiana department of health. He was president of the University of Louisiana system. He was an assistant secretary of health. He was elected to Congress twice. Elected governor once.

And he just turned 37 years old.
i could give a shit about where he's been elected in the past. is he a fuckin kook as kareyn's bullets would suggest?

[Desperado]

Smith concedes defeat in Oregon (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/06/smith-concedes-defeat-in-oregon/)
Posted: 12:25 PM ET
(CNN) — Oregon Sen. Gordon Smith has conceded defeat to Democratic challenger Jeff Merkley in his re-election bid, CNN has confirmed.
Smith personally called Merkley earlier Thursday to concede the race, according to Merkley spokeswoman Julie Edwards. Smith is also expected to publicly admit defeat in a press conference later Thursday.
With 100 percent of the counties reporting, Merkley received 48.4 percent of the vote to Smith's 46 percent.
Smith's defeat means Democrats now hold 57 seats in the Senate. The outcomes of three races remain unclear — Alaska, Minnesota, and Georgia.

[Rover]

I don't consider him a kook, but those bullets look accurate.

[hatepoppy]

...then yeah, he's a kook.

[kareyn01]

Except he's brilliant. He turned down Harvard and Yale law and medical schools to study at Oxford. He ran the Louisiana department of health. He was president of the University of Louisiana system. He was an assistant secretary of health. He was elected to Congress twice. Elected governor once.

And he just turned 37 years old.

Ted Stevens has managed to get elected quite a few times. Same for Strom Thurmond. That doesn't make them brilliant.

Jindal wrote an article about how his friend was possessed by a demon back in 2001 (I think that was the date). Seems like a really brilliant guy. The bottom line is, Jindal would be just as polarizing as Palin, not because he is so ignorant that he thinks Africa is a country and not a continent, but because the majority of the country won't vote for someone who favors intelligent design in schools, wants the PATRIOT Act to be permanent, is horrific on environmental issues, wants abortion banned under all circumstances, and wants to legislate castration.

[Rover]

Being elected doesn't make anyone smart, but his educational pedigree suggests othewise. As does his rise to positions of power. How many 28 year olds are the president of their state's university system?

And it's only chemical castration for violent sex offenders. Chemical castration is completely reversible.

[Stax]

This graph shows that McCain really turned out the base in Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Tennessee. And nowhere else. How does this graph disprove my premise that McCain failed to turnout the base.

Because nobody campaigns in the Plains states. NOBODY.

[Desperado]

-he opposes abortion without exception for rape or incest
-he opposes embyonic stem cell research
-supported a constitutional amendment banning flag burning
-voted to make the PATRIOT act permanent
-as a congressman, he voted with the Republican caucus 97 percent of the time
-his earmark funding was 14th-highest among all congressmen
-supports the teaching of intelligent design in schools

Are there more right positions then this?

[hatepoppy]

Are there more right positions then this?privatize and mandate abortion for blacks under 20 to turn a profit while cutting taxes on the insurance companies paying for it?

edit: with a side of oxycontin and caviar.

[kareyn01]

Being elected doesn't make anyone smart, but his educational pedigree suggests othewise. As does his rise to positions of power. How many 28 year olds are the president of their state's university system?

And it's only chemical castration for violent sex offenders. Chemical castration is completely reversible.

I'm not questioning his intelligence. His academic record speaks for itself. I just don't think he'll be a viable candidate (unless the Democratic party goes completely up in flames, and even Pat Buchanan could win). The evangelical crowd will love him, obviously, but his issues make him a love him or hate him candidate, with no real room lukewarm support.

Its almost impossible to predict what the Republican party will look like in four years, though, because they are in a complete shambles, and the entire power structure is now confined to Idaho/Utah/Wyoming/Oklahoma, and the deep South. That makes it even more likely that the GOP will turn to an evangelical-Christian base in the next election cycle, with moderate Republicans in other areas of the country left out to dry.

[Desperado]

It will be very interesting to see how this goes today. Kudos to those who can find the error in the article!


Lieberman meeting with Reid this afternoon (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/06/lieberman-meeting-with-reid-this-afternoon/)
Posted: 12:25 PM ET

From CNN Congressional Producer Ted Barrett (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/tag/cnn-congressional-producer-ted-barrett/)
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/11/06/art.lieberman06.gi.jpg Lieberman was a strong supporter of John McCain’s presidential bid.

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/corner_wire_BL.gif

WASHINGTON (CNN) – Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Democrat turned independent who backed Republican Sen. John McCain for president, will meet at 1 p.m. Thursday with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to discuss Lieberman’s future with the Democratic caucus, according to two congressional sources familiar with the matter.
At stake is Lieberman’s chairmanship of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee and possibly his other committee assignments. Reid could also ask Lieberman to leave the Democratic caucus altogether.
Lieberman’s support of McCain – and harshly critical words of President-elect Barack Obama during the campaign — angered many Senate Democrats but Reid was reluctant to act against the Connecticut senator earlier because Democratic control of the Senate relied on Lieberman’s decision to organize with the Democrats.

But after picking up multiple Democratic seats on Election Day, Reid is politically empowered to strip Lieberman of the coveted chairmanship if he chooses. The full Democratic caucus would have to approve any action Reid takes when it meets on Capitol Hill in two weeks.
Democratic leadership aides would not say what Reid will do at the highly-anticipated meeting which is expected to take place in Reid’s leadership suite off the Senate floor. Reid has not been shy in the past about expressing his frustration with Lieberman who just four years ago was the Democrats’ nominee for Vice President. But he’s also repeatedly said he values Lieberman’s membership in the caucus because on most issues Lieberman votes with the Democrats.

[Stax]

Story got it wrong, it was 8 years ago, but w/e.

[}{arlequin]

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/obama_win_causes_obsessive

[}{arlequin]

...

[Desperado]

My money is on Lieberman getting left out in the cold.


Lieberman pondering 'options' after Reid meeting (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/06/lieberman-pondering-options-after-reid-meeting/)
Posted: 03:10 PM ET

From CNN Congressional Producer Ted Barrett (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/tag/cnn-congressional-producer-ted-barrett/)
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/09/09/art.lieberman.reid.gi.jpg Lieberman met with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid Thursday.

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/corner_wire_BL.gif

WASHINGTON (CNN) – Connecticut independent Sen. Joe Lieberman said Thursday he needs a few days to ponder "the options that I have before me" after a meeting with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.
Lieberman did not explain what those options were when he made brief remarks to reporters, and Reid said afterward that no decisions have been made.
Watch: 'We must unite' Lieberman says (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/11/06/sot.lieberman.presser.cnn)
Lieberman, the Democratic Party's 2000 vice presidential nominee, supported Republican Sen. John McCain in Tuesday's presidential election. But after Democratic Sen. Barack Obama's victory over McCain, the Connecticut senator said it was time to unite behind the incoming president.
"I decided in that election that partisanship should take a back seat to doing what I believed was best for our country," he said. "But the election is over, and I completely agree with President-elect Obama that we must now unite to get the economy going again and keep the American people safe."
Lieberman's continued allegiance to the Democratic caucus has given the party a 51-49 majority in the Senate since 2006, and he holds the chairmanship of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee. But his support of McCain — and sometimes-harsh criticism of Obama — angered many of his colleagues.
Updated with Reid statement

When Obama returned to the Senate in June after clinching the Democratic presidential nomination, he pulled Lieberman into a corner of the Senate chamber for a lengthy and animated one-on-one conversation in full view but out of earshot of reporters.
Lieberman has been an outspoken supporter of the war in Iraq, backing the Bush administration at a time when the Democratic leadership in Congress has been trying to force an end to the widely unpopular conflict. He lost his home state's Democratic primary to an anti-war challenger in 2006, only to win a fourth Senate term as an independent.
Reid, D-Nevada, was reluctant to act against Lieberman when his control of the chamber relied on the Connecticut senator's vote. But a top aide to the majority leader told reporters in September, after Lieberman spoke to the Republican National Convention, that the caucus would "reassess the situation"
after the election.
With Democrats gaining at least five seats on Tuesday, Reid summoned Lieberman to discuss his future with the caucus. In a statement issued after the meeting, Reid said Thursday's meeting was "the first of what I expect to be several conversations."
"While I understand that Senator Lieberman has voted with Democrats a majority of the time, his comments and actions have raised serious concerns among many in our caucus," he said. "I expect there to be additional discussions in the days to come, and Senator Lieberman and I will speak to our
caucus in two weeks to discuss further steps."
Reid could move to strip Lieberman of his committee chairmanship or other committee seats. The full Democratic caucus would have to approve any action when it meets again in two weeks.
Lieberman said he had "a very good conversation" with Reid, but disclosed no details and took no questions.
"I want to spend some time in the next few days thinking about what Sen. Reid and I discussed and what my options are at this point," he said. "He promised me that he would do the same, and we will continue these conversations."

[Morfin]

Well, let's look at this Lieberman thing. Here is a guy who was a Democrat. Then, a few years ago, he ran for re-election and lost the Democratic primary. So, he ran as an independent and won. Screw You to the Democrats #1.

He supports McCain. Screw You #2.

He openly courts the VP nomination with McCain. Screw You #3.

He allows McCain to use him against the Democrats in the campaign to sell the idea that McCain is a centrist. Screw You #4.

McCain loses. One day later, realizing his horse didn't win, Lieberman ponders his future. The Republicans don't want him. The Democrats don't want him because his vote is no longer key to their majority. So, he announces, "We Must Unite."

Meets with Harry Reid behind closed doors. Reid tells him (and I'm speculating), "Go fuck yourself. You lose your committee chairmanship. You can caucus with us for now. But one step out of line and you are on your own, buckaroo." Reid and Lieberman meet with the press annoucing that they have talked and will "think about" what was said. No one uses the word "begged," but Lieberman was seen afterward brushing dust off his knees.

[Smokestack]

This graph shows that McCain really turned out the base in Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Tennessee. And nowhere else. How does this graph disprove my premise that McCain failed to turnout the base.

Sorry, I was operating under the apparently false logic that a telling place to gauge where the base had turned out would be the places where the base was strongest. My bad.

Right. I keep forgetting that a trillion dollar bailout, global warming paranoia, and his amnesty plan are conservative ideals. Just because the mainstream media is telling you, "John McCain shifted to the hard right! Where's his honor?," doesnt' mean conservatives believe he's an actual conservative.

Which would explain why the conservatives who abandoned him where moderate conservatives like David Brooks, George Will, Andrew Sullivan, Christopher Buckley et al. Seems that James Dobson came back into the fold based on the campaign McCain was running.

Also, one could look at the bellwether battleground counties that Bush won and McCain lost (http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/05/whither-the-battleground-counties/) and deduce that it was the moderates that he lost.

So, when a socially conservative ballot proposal passes that isn't evidence of social conservatism?

It could be. But if you look at the numbers, the Prop 8 exit polls showed that every ethnic group aside from African Americans supported it or were about 50/50 (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/11/prop-8-exit-pol.html) and I think we know that African Americans didn't mirror the social conservative vote this election, or any other for that matter.

Look, people like you can push your party further to the right if you really think that's what did you in. But you'd be fucking wrong and it'd be a shame to have an opposition party as caricature.

[Axel]

French kissing in the USA!

Op2ScdxyQQM

[Mustard]

Are there more right positions then this?
You mean wrong, don't you.

[Desperado]

You mean wrong, don't you.

Haha good eye!

[Mustard]

^5!

[taters]

Enough with the talk. Is there any possible way to set up a long term betting system, that the economy noticeably improves during the Obama presidency?

Then as a side bet, we wager whether conservative pundits or press (IE fox and CNN) will give credit to Bush and the former repub filibustious congress.

I would wager all my gmf points on that first one, and would wager my presence here for, at least a year, on the second (if the first happens).

[Snatch]

Enough with the talk. Is there any possible way to set up a long term betting system, that the economy noticeably improves during the Obama presidency?

Then as a side bet, we wager whether conservative pundits or press (IE fox and CNN) will give credit to Bush and the former repub filibustious congress.

I would wager all my gmf points on that first one, and would wager my presence here for, at least a year, on the second (if the first happens).

The DOW is down, what, 10% since Obama got elected? I guess Wall St. doesn't have too much faith.

[Draven X 23]

Also is it really a fair bet. I can't see how the economy could get worse.

[taters]

The DOW is down, what, 10% since Obama got elected? I guess Wall St. doesn't have too much faith.

Meh, theyre afraid of taxes.

As Obama said, hes not worried about the rich folks on wall street. Its the working and middle class people on the ground his presidency will focus on (I hope). Let the greedy investors and CEO's figure their own way out of the mess they created.

[freegood]

There's no faith in the market right now, new prez or not.

[dadaelus]

The DOW is down, what, 10% since Obama got elected? I guess Wall St. doesn't have too much faith.

Wall St. knew Obama would be president before you or McCain did. We have had an incredible amount of bad market news and will have more to come. The fact that WalMart was the only retailer to post strong numbers is a good indicator of where this economy is going. This will probably be the worst retail season in the past 20 years. Couple that to the issues going on in manufacturing and the still sluggish credit markets I would be willing to bet that the DOW heads south of 7000.

[Yelram]

Meh, theyre afraid of taxes.

As Obama said, hes not worried about the rich folks on wall street. Its the working and middle class people on the ground his presidency will focus on (I hope). Let the greedy investors and CEO's figure their own way out of the mess they created.

Well with Rahm Emanuel giving him great ideas like he did for Clinton, like "increasing home ownership for poor minorities", and then moving to the board of Fanny mae and Freddie Mac in 2001. I'm sure the economy will just "explode".

[Feng]

This thread is a testament Claydon and Yelram's ability to channel the words and wisdom of Rush Limbaugh into this forum.

[Yelram]

This thread is a testament Claydon and Yelram's ability to channel the words and wisdom of Rush Limbaugh into this forum.

Do you ever make a point?

[taters]

Well with Rahm Emanuel giving him great ideas like he did for Clinton, like "increasing home ownership for poor minorities", and then moving to the board of Fanny mae and Freddie Mac in 2001. I'm sure the economy will just "explode".

Yes, lets keep with the 'fanny may and freddy are the whole problem of the economy, and the reason they are is because they gave loans to minorities, therefore its minorities fault!!!"

You are nothing if not consistent, Yelram. Unfortunately, as smart as you seem to be, you seem to blindly obedient and accepting to Limbaugh, Hannity and Savage's wild racist, pointless rantings and claims.

Objectivity man, OBJECTIVITY. Step away for a few days.

[Stax]

Also is it really a fair bet. I can't see how the economy could get worse.

Precisely. Just as Clinton-era actions get absolutely zero credit because of the tech boom anything Obama does will be written off by conservatives as a natural market correction given the horrible conditions he inherited.

[Feng]

Do you ever make a point?

I can't quit you Yelram...

or is it, Marley...

[Mustard]

Precisely. Just as Clinton-era actions get absolutely zero credit because of the tech boom anything Obama does will be written off by conservatives as a natural market correction given the horrible conditions he inherited.
So using conservative logic (holy shit what an oxymoron...) does that mean that all of the problems that happened during the last year with regards to the economy is actually the fault of Bill Clinton, and that all of the growth that will happen as a result of Obama's policies will be a result of W?

Thats it... I need a drink, and to watch Billy Mays tear a gazelle apart with one of his Awesome Augers.

[vasili denisov]

And I'm watching, I'm looking at the setup for Obama's speech, and I thought, "My God, they've moved the UN to Chicago." They had that background, all these flags, they were all American flags, but it looked like the UN, looked like a world body that was gathering.
But you mean that in a good way, right?
There's no love lost between Rahm Emanuel and Hillary Clinton, and he is good a old-fashioned Chicago thug just like Obama is a good old-fashioned Chicago thug.
But you mean that in a good way, right?

Chicago thug Rahm Emanuel profile in Rolling Stone. (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/8091986/the_enforcer/)

[vasili denisov]

http://i35.tinypic.com/2h7m8mc.jpg

http://www.villagevoice.com/slideshow/view/165211/25

[Archangel]

Yeah, only real Americans should be allowed to vote.


And by real Americans, Rush means people who would actually vote for Palin.

[Stax]

My favorite thing about that Rush bit is the UN-flags thing. AFAIK I saw about a billion US flags... And then a couple Kenyan ones. OMGZ!!! Obama is clearly evil.

[Morfin]

First Obama gets criticized for not wearing a flag on his lapel. Now he is criticized for having too many flags.

[Archangel]

Right wing pundits? Hypocrisy?


I'll be damned...

[Morfin]

I'll be damned...

Oh, you already are, my friend. You already are.

[heelsguy]

I thought Obama was not going to appoint retreads to his administration? what's with all the clinton veterans? he was going to re-think the whole deal was what I understood/

[Pax Britannia]

Obama is a politician. You think he was telling the truth?

Bwahahahha

[Tar Heel]

I'll wait to see all the people he appoints before makeing any opinions. Certainly having an experienced CoS isn't the end onthe world. Especially with a President elect that doesn't have a large executive background.

[heelsguy]

I'll wait to see all the people he appoints before makeing any opinions. Certainly having an experienced CoS isn't the end onthe world. Especially with a President elect that doesn't have a large executive background.

rahm was never a CoS. he worked in the clinton admin, though.

looks to me like business as usual. I was hoping for more than this faggot former ballet dancer who loves the camera so much.

[Desperado]

rahm was never a CoS. he worked in the clinton admin, though.

looks to me like business as usual. I was hoping for more than this faggot former ballet dancer who loves the camera so much.


Sound more like the republicans are being pussies because he picked someone who's got the balls to make tough decisions. The cabinet members will serve their purposes... some will be bi-partisan, some will be hard asses who's job will be do get shit done.

[kareyn01]

rahm was never a CoS. he worked in the clinton admin, though.

looks to me like business as usual. I was hoping for more than this faggot former ballet dancer who loves the camera so much.

Well, so far he's appointed three people: Rahm Emanuel as CoS, Robert Gibbs as Press Secretary, and David Axelrod as Senior Advisor. Only one of them is a former member of the Clinton Administration.

The fact of the matter is, there has only been one Democratic president in the last 28 years, so there are bound to be some people who were involved in the Clinton administration take positions on the Obama team, simply because they're the only ones with experience in the White House.

One out of three is not a trend.

[heelsguy]

Well, so far he's appointed three people: Rahm Emanuel as CoS, Robert Gibbs as Press Secretary, and David Axelrod as Senior Advisor. Only one of them is a former member of the Clinton Administration.

The fact of the matter is, there has only been one Democratic president in the last 28 years, so there are bound to be some people who were involved in the Clinton administration take positions on the Obama team, simply because they're the only ones with experience in the White House.

One out of three is not a trend.


well, only one so far to a cabinet post, but he has picked 2 others from the clinton years to help with the transition team. and many others are being looked at for other cabinet posts.

we'll see.

[Rover]

He's appointed Gov. Jennifer Granholm of Michigan to his economic transistion team.

Hahahahaha. I hope she gets a job in the administration and never comes back. She can be everyone else's problem now. Granholm on the economic transistion team is like putting Barney Fife in charge of the Sheriff's office. I think they did that once, with hilarious results.

But she's already implemented his economic policies. Raise taxes, increase spending on a recession economy. With wonderfully horrible results.

[kid_vidrio]

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/obama_win_causes_obsessive

[Soup Nazi]

http://i35.tinypic.com/2h7m8mc.jpg

http://www.villagevoice.com/slideshow/view/165211/25

Yay!