2008 Election - Offseason

[kid_vidrio]

No...but I swear Romney was in the running, and I think that would be a good ticket actually.
The problem with Romney is that everyone would wonder why he didn't get the nomination. I don't know if McCain's ego could handle that.

[Claydon]

The problem with Romney is that everyone would wonder why he didn't get the nomination. I don't know if McCain's ego could handle that.

He could handle it, if it got him elected. Kennedy could not stand Johnson, but he grabbed him for VP because he needed those southern democrats/texas.

[Rover]

Terrorism was the big reason we went after Saddam. Not genocide, or whatever bullshit he was pulling on his own people. Traditionally, no one gives a fuck what happens to other people (I wish we did, but we don't). Saddam had ties to terrorism, you can't deny that; he was paying suicide bombers who killed Jews. And had loose ties to al-Qaeda leadership. He was certainly sympathetic to their cause.

Why do we care about terrorism and not genocide? Because there is a tangible effect on us. Pol Pot killing everyone in Cambodia, doesn't affect us. We didn't have to avoid his death squads. Now if Pol Pot was financing death squads that set up killing fields in Kansas; we'd care. That's the problem with terrorism. It doesn't stay in it's country of origin. If radical Islamists were just blowing up downtown Arabia, no one would care, or at least not as much.

Combine post 9/11 terrorism mentality, with Saddam trying to build nuclear weapons, and violating a cease fire agreement and numerous UN resolutions, and you get the Iraq War.

But to say we went after Saddam to prevent genocide isn't accurate. That's like saying we went after Hitler to save the Jews. It was a great benefit, but wasn't the main reason.


A Mile High. An Inch Deep.http://www.notready08.com/

I saw some people yesterday, Romney, etc. doing talk shows with that slogan in the background.

[Emjanss]

There is one word that would explain McCain's reason for selecting Romney (if he does)

Michigan

Honestly, it isn't a bad reason

[redsox39]

That is going on in about 100 different countries right now. Do you suggest we invade and occupy those nations as well?

I would love to go to Sudan and kick some ass right now. My Family helps displaced Sudanese here in Omaha (largest Sudanese population), and I do think we should either go in, or GTFO of everywhere.

I lean towards "take a number" and wait your turn, but for most people this isn't an option.

My favorite part is, that argument is bullshit. So We went to Iraq and help get rid of a brutal dictator who had no problem gassing over 100,000 of his own citizens.

The Whiny Argument "it's happening over here, and over here, and over there."

Well, we choose to fucking go here first because it effects us the most, you have to prioritze.

If you have $1000 dollars to give to charity, and you give it to Jerry's kids, because your Dad has MD, I don't get to say "well, there are hundreds of charities you DIDN'T give it to you asshole."

It is a pointless argument used by people who have run out of good comebacks and logical explanations.

[kid_vidrio]

How would a Mormon that was pro-choice until two years ago help McCain with the area that he is weakest in his own party: the conservative, Evangelical Christian right?

Plus, if you pick Romney, you lose the elitist attacks on Obama, since Romney is worth over $200 million (and no, I don't have a problem with him being worth a lot of money, but it does have strategic implications), and you also have the "Hillary and Biden said bad things about Obama" ads thrown right back at McCain, since he and Romney despise each other.

Granted, I don't think there's really anybody else out there that makes a good fit. Huckabee might have before he made the Obama assassination joke, Pawlenty is unknown, and Ridge is pro-choice. Not good pickins for the Republicans.
Uhhh, McCain has no 'elitist' attacks on BO from an economic standpoint, in case you have been on a desert island for the last week.
Mitt is a former governor, while the other three are all Senators, so he get an advantage by showing a little non-Beltway diversification.
McCain is running neck and neck without the hard right, and they will all vote R in the end anyway. He needs to look younger, and Romney will do that.
Oh, and Romney is also the king of data, so he is very much 'in touch', another thing Jonny Mac needs help with.

[Claydon]

Uhhh, McCain has no 'elitist' attacks on BO from an economic standpoint, in case you have been on a desert island for the last week.
Mitt is a former governor, while the other three are all Senators, so he get an advantage by showing a little non-Beltway diversification.
McCain is running neck and neck without the hard right, and they will all vote R in the end anyway. He needs to look younger, and Romney will do that.
Oh, and Romney is also the king of data, so he is very much 'in touch', another thing Jonny Mac needs help with.

Soooooooooooo on that note obama went with biden to prop up his foreign affairs? Charming but fail. Nunn would have been way better, or dick luger.

[kid_vidrio]

Either BO pulls a rabbit soon, or we're looking at epic fail.

[kareyn01]

Uhhh, McCain has no 'elitist' attacks on BO from an economic standpoint, in case you have been on a desert island for the last week.
Mitt is a former governor, while the other three are all Senators, so he get an advantage by showing a little non-Beltway diversification.
McCain is running neck and neck without the hard right, and they will all vote R in the end anyway. He needs to look younger, and Romney will do that.
Oh, and Romney is also the king of data, so he is very much 'in touch', another thing Jonny Mac needs help with.

Immediately after Obama's ad about McCain's "housing gaffe", the McCain campaign responded by saying that Obama made more than four million dollars last year, drinks lattes, is concerned about the price of arugula, and has a pointy head (seriously). I'd say that counts as an "elitist" attack.

And yes, the hard right will never vote Democratic; but if you sign on a VP is currently pro-choice (Ridge) or a history of being pro-choice (Romney), you're stripping the evangelical right of their main impetus to get to polls and vote Republican. I think you'd see the reverse of 2004 with the gay marriage amendment, where a lot of evangelicals stay home.

[kid_vidrio]

I would love to go to Sudan and kick some ass right now.

--snip--

It is a pointless argument used by people who have run out of good comebacks and logical explanations.
I like the discussion, but find the right thread for it.

[Claydon]

Immediately after Obama's ad about McCain's "housing gaffe", the McCain campaign responded by saying that Obama made more than four million dollars last year, drinks lattes, is concerned about the price of arugula, and has a pointy head (seriously). I'd say that counts as an "elitist" attack.

And yes, the hard right will never vote Democratic; but if you sign on a VP is currently pro-choice (Ridge) or a history of being pro-choice (Romney), you're stripping the evangelical right of their main impetus to get to polls and vote Republican. I think you'd see the reverse of 2004 with the gay marriage amendment, where a lot of evangelicals stay home.

Or they may try to woo the clinton voters over by having Kay Bailey Hutchinson for the VP ticket.

[kareyn01]

There is one word that would explain McCain's reason for selecting Romney (if he does)

Michigan

Honestly, it isn't a bad reason

That's pretty much the only reason, and it is significant, especially when there isn't really another VP candidate out there in a swing state that might have the same impact Romney would. Crist in Florida, but he hasn't been talked about much recently. And Ridge's impact in PA is debatable.

[Smokestack]

This is from the guy who thinks "Experience" is a fear mongering tactic that should not be an issue.

I'll help you out here. My use of experience-mongering doesn't refer to fear-mongering except for the use of mongering. Mongering is peddling. Fear had nothing to do with what I was saying.


So instead of addressing anything, he does what all lefties do when they realize everything they beleive in is a lie. Start calling people retarded and see what happens...


I'm sorry, next time I'll respond to someone saying that an Obama victory will result in inner city riots by blacks with a little more decorum. That's certainly a statement worth holistically addressing rather than condemning.

[kareyn01]

Or they may try to woo the clinton voters over by having Kay Bailey Hutchinson for the VP ticket.

I think McCain might hate Hutchinson even more than he does Romney.

[Claydon]

So, IF mccain wins this thing (a big if), do you think teh blacks will riot? Do you think the hard left will go running through the streets saying it was a conspiracy by diebold? Do you think we will get douchebags with protest signs that say "hail to the thief"?

[Claydon]

I think McCain might hate Hutchinson even more than he does Romney.

Again, he can hate all he wants, but he will do what he needs to do to win. As any politician would.

[Rover]

How would a Mormon that was pro-choice until two years ago help McCain with the area that he is weakest in his own party: the conservative, Evangelical Christian right?

Plus, if you pick Romney, you lose the elitist attacks on Obama, since Romney is worth over $200 million (and no, I don't have a problem with him being worth a lot of money, but it does have strategic implications), and you also have the "Hillary and Biden said bad things about Obama" ads thrown right back at McCain, since he and Romney despise each other.

Granted, I don't think there's really anybody else out there that makes a good fit. Huckabee might have before he made the Obama assassination joke, Pawlenty is unknown, and Ridge is pro-choice. Not good pickins for the Republicans.Romney has the most credible abortion policy switch I've ever heard a politician give. I will not vote for people who are pro-choice, and I voted for Romney in the primary.

And the Christian right won't vote against McCain because of his VP pick, it's not like Romney is a Satanist.There is one word that would explain McCain's reason for selecting Romney (if he does)

Michigan

Honestly, it isn't a bad reasonMichigan is the best reason!!!

[Claydon]

17 electoral votes for michigan is fairly solid.

[vasili denisov]

Terrorism was the big reason we went after Saddam. Not genocide, or whatever bullshit he was pulling on his own people. Traditionally, no one gives a fuck what happens to other people (I wish we did, but we don't). Saddam had ties to terrorism, you can't deny that; he was paying suicide bombers who killed Jews. And had loose ties to al-Qaeda leadership. He was certainly sympathetic to their cause.

I'm curious what the loose ties you speak of, because Doug Feith had the CIA do a whole fishing expedition which came up nada. Right now, the government is probably funding Sunni groups in Lebannon that have close ties to Al-Qaeda to balance out Hezbollah's influence there, and is doing everything it can to keep a former terrorist in power in Gaza in place of even worse opponents. So, it wasn't about terrorism.
He could handle it, if it got him elected. Kennedy could not stand Johnson, but he grabbed him for VP because he needed those southern democrats/texas.
No one's sure why Johnson got on the ticket, but it wasn't to bring in the southern states, which only became an issue after the civil rights bill and the defection of a lot of southern democrats from the party. Stuart Symington was supposed to be the pick, then was mysteriously dropped very close to the nomination, possibly because Johnson and J. Edgar Hoover were friends, and Hoover was able to pass on information about Kennedy's affairs or first marriage, and Johnson was able to blackmail Kennedy for the pick.

[Tar Heel]

I would love to go to Sudan and kick some ass right now. My Family helps displaced Sudanese here in Omaha (largest Sudanese population), and I do think we should either go in, or GTFO of everywhere.

I lean towards "take a number" and wait your turn, but for most people this isn't an option.

My favorite part is, that argument is bullshit. So We went to Iraq and help get rid of a brutal dictator who had no problem gassing over 100,000 of his own citizens.

The Whiny Argument "it's happening over here, and over here, and over there."

Well, we choose to fucking go here first because it effects us the most, you have to prioritze.

If you have $1000 dollars to give to charity, and you give it to Jerry's kids, because your Dad has MD, I don't get to say "well, there are hundreds of charities you DIDN'T give it to you asshole."

It is a pointless argument used by people who have run out of good comebacks and logical explanations.

No dude. You are missing the point. I am a conservative when it comes to international politics. Thus I don't believe in nation building.

That being said, I don't believe we should leave Iraq yet. As much as I didn't agree with the initial invasion and occupation, leaving would only make it worse for those people.


EDIT: Also, your "invading a country/charity analogy" has to be the dumbest thing I have read on this site since lord tater was a member.

[Claydon]

So, IF mccain wins this thing (a big if), do you think teh blacks will riot? Do you think the hard left will go running through the streets saying it was a conspiracy by diebold? Do you think we will get douchebags with protest signs that say "hail to the thief"?

thoughts?

[Pharon]

I think a Democrat took both of these cardboard cutout pics. McCain looks 100 years old. And terminal:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/SuperFan99/obama.jpghttp://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/SuperFan99/mccain.jpg

[Claydon]

I think a Democrat took both of these cardboard cutout pics. McCain looks 100 years old. And terminal:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/SuperFan99/obama.jpghttp://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/SuperFan99/mccain.jpg

mccain has looked stooped since the 70s

[Mr. Brown]

I don't think that people will riot. There will be conspiracy nutcases, but I think if he wins it's it's not gonna be a split decision like 2000. I really do think there's gonna be a large turn out for this election. For whom, that the question.

[Claydon]

I don't think that people will riot. There will be conspiracy nutcases, but I think if he wins it's it's not gonna be a split decision like 2000. I really do think there's gonna be a large turn out for this election. For whom, that the question.

And if Jackson and his ilk got on the cameras screaming... "it was stolen!" what then?

[kareyn01]

thoughts?
People are morons; they protest everything. Hell, if Obama wins, half the people that would have been likely to protest would be upset because they'd have to put their signs back in the closet.

[Mr. Brown]

I don't think that the election is going to be close enough for anyone to really listen to the "it was stolen" crowd. I feel that something is going to happen during a debate or something that's going to turn the tide heavily in one candidates favor late in the season.

[Rover]

I'm curious what the loose ties you speak of, because Doug Feith had the CIA do a whole fishing expedition which came up nada. Right now, the government is probably funding Sunni groups in Lebannon that have close ties to Al-Qaeda to balance out Hezbollah's influence there, and is doing everything it can to keep a former terrorist in power in Gaza in place of even worse opponents. So, it wasn't about terrorism.I meant 'loose' in the most liberal interpretation of the word. And maybe throw in a 'plausible.' Saddam certainly sponsored some terrorism. Not necessarily al-qaeda, but not necessarily not al-qaeda.

[Mr. Brown]

saddam is soooooo 2003

[Smokestack]

McCain campaign's new ad:

WHVrQOlApp4

Obama's response: "Strong countries and strong Presidents talk to their adversaries. That's what Kennedy did with Khrushchev. That's what Reagan did with Gorbachev. That's what Nixon did with Mao. I mean, think about it: Iran, Cuba, Venezuela -- these countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union. They don't pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us. And yet we were willing to talk to the Soviet Union at the time when they were saying, 'We're going to wipe you off the planet.' And ultimately, that direct engagement led to a series of measures that helped prevent nuclear war and over time allowed the kind of opening that brought down the Berlin Wall." (http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15589.html)

[Claydon]

you posted a blog as a source

wow

just

wow

[Smokestack]

So, IF mccain wins this thing (a big if), do you think teh blacks will riot? Do you think the hard left will go running through the streets saying it was a conspiracy by diebold? Do you think we will get douchebags with protest signs that say "hail to the thief"?

There are a number of other important variables to that question besides if one side or the other wins. If they won in a vacuum, it'd probably be fine. However, if there are any of those rascally shenanigans...

[Claydon]

There are a number of other important variables to that question besides if one side or the other wins. If they won in a vacuum, it'd probably be fine. However, if there are any of those rascally shenanigans...

like?

you mean the supreme court?

[Smokestack]

you posted a blog as a source

wow

just

wow

It's a direct quote with a video to back it up. Don't be so scared of the internets.

[Rover]

I think he means voter intimidation.

[Smokestack]

like?

you mean the supreme court?

Who knows? I can't tell the future. The last two elections have been close, both hinging on single, closely-contested states. Indications are that this election could be very close, too. Lots of things could come up.

I think he means voter intimidation.

That's certainly one of many options.

[kareyn01]

McCain campaign's new ad:

WHVrQOlApp4

Obama's response: "Strong countries and strong Presidents talk to their adversaries. That's what Kennedy did with Khrushchev. That's what Reagan did with Gorbachev. That's what Nixon did with Mao. I mean, think about it: Iran, Cuba, Venezuela -- these countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union. They don't pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us. And yet we were willing to talk to the Soviet Union at the time when they were saying, 'We're going to wipe you off the planet.' And ultimately, that direct engagement led to a series of measures that helped prevent nuclear war and over time allowed the kind of opening that brought down the Berlin Wall." (http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15589.html)

I love how McCain's ad left out "compared to the Soviet Union", which was Obama's actual quote, and is pretty much indisputable.

[Claydon]

Voter intimidation like when the GOP of I think it was Iowa had their buses tires slashed?

[Smokestack]

I hadn't heard of that instance, but that would certainly be a case of voter intimidation. It could happen (and does happen) on both sides.

[Claydon]

I hadn't heard of that instance, but that would certainly be a case of voter intimidation. It could happen (and does happen) on both sides.

or in 2004 when the local dem party was bussing seniors to the polls and telling them "want to save your social security then vote for kerry".

[willy62]

I was recently reading a article that talked about VP candidates for McCain and could not believe what I was reading. They were talking the normal candidates of Romney, Ridge, etc. when all of a sudden they threw out the name of Joseph Lieberman. Talk about a riot that would occur. What would be the result if this was the case? They were talking about how McCain and Lieberman are best buddies.

[Tar Heel]

Maverick and Goose?

[Smokestack]

or in 2004 when the local dem party was bussing seniors to the polls and telling them "want to save your social security then vote for kerry".

Now you're reaching.

[willy62]

Maverick and Goose?


I will have to give it to you that's pretty good

[Claydon]

I was recently reading a article that talked about VP candidates for McCain and could not believe what I was reading. They were talking the normal candidates of Romney, Ridge, etc. when all of a sudden they threw out the name of Joseph Lieberman. Talk about a riot that would occur. What would be the result if this was the case? They were talking about how McCain and Lieberman are best buddies.

I do not think that would be a good choice for McCain, he needs a strong ally in the Senate.

[willy62]

I was recently reading a article that talked about VP candidates for McCain and could not believe what I was reading. They were talking the normal candidates of Romney, Ridge, etc. when all of a sudden they threw out the name of Joseph Lieberman. Talk about a riot that would occur. What would be the result if this was the case? They were talking about how McCain and Lieberman are best buddies.


Sorry should have put in the VP thread.

[Pharon]

I do not think that would be a good choice for McCain, he needs a strong ally in the Senate.
I think McCain should pick me. I could help him hold his arms up. And change his colostomy bag twice a day.

[willy62]

I think McCain should pick me. I could help him hold his arms up. And change his colostomy bag twice a day.


If you vote for BO you might as well vote for yourself. You have as much experience as he does leading a country!!!

[Pharon]

If you vote for BO you might as well vote for yourself. You have as much experience as he does leading a country!!!
McCain and Obama have exactly the same experience when it comes to leading the country. And that is zero. Which is the same as every other non-incumbent presidential candidate had.

[Claydon]

I think McCain should pick me. I could help him hold his arms up. And change his colostomy bag twice a day.

charming... but beneath you intelligence.

try not to behave like an obama freak.

[willy62]

McCain and Obama have exactly the same experience when it comes to leading the country. And that is zero. Which is the same as every other non-incumbent presidential candidate had.


Well then 1.5 years in the senate equals being qualified to lead the country

[Pharon]

Well then 1.5 years in the senate equals being qualified to lead the country
How much experience did JFK have? Or Lincoln?

Do you even know?

[Claydon]

How much experience did JFK have? Or Lincoln?

Do you even know?

Given Kennedys background in the military, house of reps, and senate, his experience exceeded barry's.

Lincoln was a genius, simple.

[willy62]

How much experience did JFK have? Or Lincoln?

Do you even know?


No and don't care, but I am sure you will enlighten me with the number. What they had then does not matter to what happens today. The past is gone and everyone should move into the present. Do I think McCain is the best choice no, but I think he is the better choice, due to his service in the senate and in the military.

[Pharon]

McCain would have been a great choice 8 years ago, but he's just too damned old now. I don't want a 72 year old pulling 20 hour days for the next 4 to 8 years. A healthy 72 year old would be hard pressed to be able to deal with that kind of stress, and McCain has had one foot in the grave for years now. Just take a look at Reagan's 2nd term and see how effective he was.

With respect to Obama's experience, I'm not going to waste my time "enlightening" you, because you wouldn't listen anyway. But he brings things to the table that McCain doesn't. I'm also not going to go into those things because they've already been discussed here ad nauseum and I'd be wasting my time with you.

At any rate, I think McCain's a good candidate. I just happen to think Obama is better. Hillary would have been a disaster. And I would have voted for Romney over Obama.

[Smokestack]

No and don't care, but I am sure you will enlighten me with the number. What they had then does not matter to what happens today. The past is gone and everyone should move into the present. Do I think McCain is the best choice no, but I think he is the better choice, due to his service in the senate and in the military.

Not because he's a maverick?

[Claydon]

McCain would have been a great choice 8 years ago, but he's just too damned old now. I don't want a 72 year old pulling 20 hour days for the next 4 to 8 years. A healthy 72 year old would be hard pressed to be able to deal with that kind of stress, and McCain has had one foot in the grave for years now. Just take a look at Reagan's 2nd term and see how effective he was.

With respect to Obama's experience, I'm not going to waste my time "enlightening" you, because you wouldn't listen anyway. But he brings things to the table that McCain doesn't. I'm also not going to go into those things because they've already been discussed here ad nauseum and I'd be wasting my time with you.

At any rate, I think McCain's a good candidate. I just happen to think Obama is better. Hillary would have been a disaster. And I would have voted for Romney over Obama.

and what if romney is on the ticket?

[Mr. Brown]

I'm actually "excited" that I don't have a candidate to back yet. I've yet to see what both really have to offer. I'm more interested in whom they each have a selections for their cabinets. It's who's whispering in their ears that get me most worried about any president.

[Pharon]

and what if romney is on the ticket?
Good question. It would be a very close call. And honestly, I don't really even know how I'd go with that one just yet.

[Claydon]

Im just pleased we have some half way decent guys running.

unlike fucking bush vs kerry or bush vs gore

[Mr. Brown]

Yeah I don't feel like I'm gonna get fucked over completely if one or the other wins.

[Pharon]

Im just pleased we have some half way decent guys running.

unlike fucking bush vs kerry or bush vs gore
Exactly. This is the first election where I feel like I could vote for either of the candidates. In the past four elections, I couldn't vote for any of them.

[Claydon]

I with you both on your comments.

Bush v Gore was just fucking sad, but just a bit worse than Kerry. Im not exactly sure who would have been the bigger idiot between kerry and gore. i think kerry personally.

[willy62]

I with you both on your comments.

Bush v Gore was just fucking sad, but just a bit worse than Kerry. Im not exactly sure who would have been the bigger idiot between kerry and gore. i think kerry personally.


By default you go to the wives and Kerry has got my vote for biggest idiot.

[Emjanss]

Who says no one ever talks about independent candidates (http://www.inews3.com/play.php?first=&last=Emjanss)?

[Tar Heel]

By default you go to the wives and Kerry has got my vote for biggest idiot.


So true. She seemed so unpresidential.

[Tar Heel]

Exactly. This is the first election where I feel like I could vote for either of the candidates. In the past four elections, I couldn't vote for any of them.

The messed up thing is that the mudslinging has been quite mild. Neither candidate or party special interest has really gone for the jugular... yet.

That is the thing that rips me up about federal elections in the last 2 decades. The negative mudslinging creates such a culture of contempt and hate between parties that the elected official limps into office with under controversy and with no mandate.

If the mudslinging picks up over the next couple months, I doubt everyone here will feel the same way.

[Mr. Brown]

yeah the real mud slinging of the past few elections hasn't been that big a deal this time around. Maybe we might get campaigns about the candidates. and not droves of negatives about their opponent.

[redsox39]

I like the discussion, but find the right thread for it.

Good call, where is this going on, searching on here sucks more dick than Mongo.

[redsox39]

McCain would have been a great choice 8 years ago, but he's just too damned old now. I don't want a 72 year old pulling 20 hour days for the next 4 to 8 years. A healthy 72 year old would be hard pressed to be able to deal with that kind of stress, and McCain has had one foot in the grave for years now. Just take a look at Reagan's 2nd term and see how effective he was.

With respect to Obama's experience, I'm not going to waste my time "enlightening" you, because you wouldn't listen anyway. But he brings things to the table that McCain doesn't. I'm also not going to go into those things because they've already been discussed here ad nauseum and I'd be wasting my time with you.

At any rate, I think McCain's a good candidate. I just happen to think Obama is better. Hillary would have been a disaster. And I would have voted for Romney over Obama.

You mean you're not going to list them because they don't matter and they don't exist. He was part of the Illinios State Government, which has never been known to be corrupt at at! He logged a 143 days in the Federal Government. He sat a lots of board of dubious organizations that he doesn't want to talk about. Yep, 100% Qualified.
Hilary, I can't believe I am saying this, Hilary was the right choice for the Dem's and they blew it.

No way Obama get's elected...

[redsox39]

How much experience did JFK have? Or Lincoln?

Do you even know?

Pretty Sure JFK had leadership positions in the Military. In fact, he even crashed his boat and sank it. In any case, JFK being a Democrat is laughable.
JFK wanted to spend 50% of the Budget on Military. He wanted to cut the New Deal, and He got the US in the Vietnam war. He fought Communisim at every point. He would be so pissed to find out that the Commies have taken over his party and claim to hold him as a hero.


Which way do you want it?
JFK is a democrat?
Or
Democrats were the driving force behind the Civil rights act.

You can only have one or the other

[Pollo]

the hell ... California passed on the roll call?

that's if anyone is watching the roll call for the Democratic nominee.

[Pharon]

You mean you're not going to list them because they don't matter and they don't exist. He was part of the Illinios State Government, which has never been known to be corrupt at at! He logged a 143 days in the Federal Government. He sat a lots of board of dubious organizations that he doesn't want to talk about. Yep, 100% Qualified.
Hilary, I can't believe I am saying this, Hilary was the right choice for the Dem's and they blew it.
Right. 8 years in the Illinois State Legislature and 4 years in the U.S. Senate, 14 years as a Constitutional Law professor at the University of Chicago, not to mention all of his community activism and law firm work -- none of that makes him qualified whatsoever. Shit, he even has more legislative experience than Hillary did. In short, you're a fucking moron. But nice try. Next time do some research before you spout off a ton of nonsense.

[Claydon]

the hell ... California passed on the roll call?

that's if anyone is watching the roll call for the Democratic nominee.

California wanted hillary

[Pharon]

I'm sure it was part of the deal they worked out beforehand.

[Rover]

the hell ... California passed on the roll call?

that's if anyone is watching the roll call for the Democratic nominee.The goal was to never let the delegate vote total for Hillary exceed Obama's total. CA passed because it was early in the process and their delegate count would have probably put Hillary over.


In other news, I'll never understand this country's obsession with incumbants. Especially, incumbants that are most likely corrupt.

ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- Alaska Republicans gave U.S. Sen. Ted Stevens (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/s000888/), currently facing a federal indictment, a primary victory on Tuesday.
It sets up a November election race with possibly the toughest opponent Stevens has ever faced in his 40 years in public office, squaring off against popular Anchorage Mayor Mark Begich.
Stevens won his primary with 63 percent of the vote. Begich easily won his Democratic primary over two minor challengers with 91 percent of the vote.
A loud crowd of supporters gathered at Stevens' headquarters, and set off a loud cheer when the first results were announced. When they were posted, Stevens walked closer to the big-screen television, adjusted his glasses and said, "Looks good to me," before flashing a huge grin.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/26/AR2008082601548_pf.html

[Claydon]

I'm sure it was part of the deal they worked out beforehand.

So nice that the days of the party bosses are over in the democratic party.

[Pharon]

The whole thing is just one big commercial anyway - it's not like it's some important procedural thing. And since it's on TV, they want to project the right image. Nothing wrong with that. It's not like anything sinister is going on.

[Claydon]

The whole thing is just one big commercial anyway - it's not like it's some important procedural thing. And since it's on TV, they want to project the right image. Nothing wrong with that. It's not like anything sinister is going on.

Well, they did wheel out ted kennedy.

that is fairly sinister in my book

[Soup Nazi]

The whole thing is just one big commercial anyway - it's not like it's some important procedural thing. And since it's on TV, they want to project the right image. Nothing wrong with that. It's not like anything sinister is going on.

Exactly, both conventions are pretty much just a self-congratulatory masturbation for each parties junkies to fill their egos. How much actually gets done? Does it really sway any voters? I mean c'mon you have to be pretty dim to get swayed completely off of a couple of speeches and some softball questions from "analysts".

[Hanover Fist]

Exactly, both conventions are pretty much just a self-congratulatory masturbation for each parties junkies to fill their egos. How much actually gets done? Does it really sway any voters? I mean c'mon you have to be pretty dim to get swayed completely off of a couple of speeches and some softball questions from "analysts".


Actually in the 2000 DNC convention Al Gore was given a huge boost in the polls after he gave his acceptance speech. It was attributed to the fact that he gave a "State of the Union" type speech that specifically outlined his agenda and plans of action instead of a speech filled with fluff and platitudes that Obama is so fond of.

It's kind of weird reading Gores closing lines and delegate reactions after the speech and comparing them to the race today.
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/08/18/convention.wrap/

Gore's closing sentiments struck a particular chord with delegates. The president doesn't necessarily have to be telegenic and charismatic. He has to have the willingness, experience and ability to lead.
"The presidency is more than a popularity contest. It's a day-by-day fight for people. Sometimes, you have to choose to do what's difficult or unpopular," he said.


"I think the key lines are that 'I'm my own man' and that the presidency is not a photo op," said New Jersey delegate Sandra Silber. "He doesn't have to be a rock star."



"I know where Al Gore is now. I really know where he is," said Bill English, a Minnesota delegate from Minneapolis. "You don't have to guess what he's going to do. I didn't hear that out of Philadelphia."

[Desperado]

Well, they did wheel out ted kennedy.

that is fairly sinister in my book

Wow sinister that he wanted to show, im sure he had no personal choice unlike republicans, who are being told not to show to their convention because it would be bad for their re-election.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congressdaily/cda_20080725_6932.php

[Lone Wolf]

Bill Clinton showed he can still bring it when it's time for a big time speech, and I'd love to bang the hell out of Chelsea Clinton

[Hobnail_Boot]

Biden and Clinton did well tonight.

[Das Kahlua]

Biden and Clinton did well tonight.

Riiiight.


Like anyone who wasn't already a fan of Obama would have convinced by this shit.

Can Biden pull in the massive 2 electoral votes that DE has to offer? I can only wait to see.

The bigger question is all the 'former' Clinton supporters who are all over the news saying that they won't support Obama, no matter what.

Did either Bill or Hillary change that fact?

If not, then they are a failure, if not worse.

[Claydon]

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/28/america/28repubs.php

Looks like McCain has chosen his VP mate. Hope to christ it is NOT liberman.

[Mustard]

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/28/america/28repubs.php

Looks like McCain has chosen his VP mate. Hope to christ it is NOT liberman.
Don't tell me you'll flush the toilet on McCain if he does pick LIEberman...

say it isn't so.

[Hanover Fist]

I saw some rumblings that it might actually be Kay Bailey Hutchison, apparently there was some recent vetting done of her by the McCain campaign. I hadn't ever really considered her as a possibility but it would make for an interesting pick. Aiming for the disaffected female Clinton voters perhaps?

[Emjanss]

Wow sinister that he wanted to show, im sure he had no personal choice unlike republicans, who are being told not to show to their convention because it would be bad for their re-election.

That typical of both parties, or have you not heard of the mayor of Detroit?

[Pharon]

Actually in the 2000 DNC convention Al Gore was given a huge boost in the polls after he gave his acceptance speech. It was attributed to the fact that he gave a "State of the Union" type speech that specifically outlined his agenda and plans of action instead of a speech filled with fluff and platitudes that Obama is so fond of.
Successful political strategists know their candidate's strengths and focus on them. And if you've got Gore's personality in 2000, you can be sure as shit his handlers were trying to focus on the fact that you don't need one.

Makes perfect sense to me.

[Desperado]

That typical of both parties, or have you not heard of the mayor of Detroit?


Whoa the mayor of Detroit is being told not to come because hes a douchebag who's about to be kicked out... Republicans are being told not to show up at the convention because it will look bad for their reelection, there is a big difference.

Quote from the article:

By contrast, most Democrats in those races are either planning to attend the party's late August convention in Denver or are leaning toward attending the event that will formally make Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois the party's nominee for president.
The Republican convention will be bookended by speeches from President Bush, whose low approval ratings have caused many candidates to keep him at arm's length, and McCain, who is still trying to mend fences with conservatives.

[Smokestack]

McCain's testy interview with Time (http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1836909,00.html): (http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1836909,00.html%29:)



For years, John McCain's marathon bull sessions with reporters were more than a means of delivering a message; they were the message. McCain proudly, flagrantly refused direction from handlers, rarely dodged tough questions and considered those who did wimps and frauds. The style told voters that he was unafraid, that he had nothing to hide and that what you see is what you get. "Anything you want to talk about," he promised reporters aboard the Straight Talk Express in Iowa back in March 2007. "One of the fundamental principles of the bus is that there is no such thing as a dumb question." When asked if he would keep the straight talk coming, McCain replied, "You think I could survive if I didn't? We'd never be forgiven ... I'd have to hire a food taster, somebody to start my car in the morning." Even after he won the GOP nomination, he demanded that his new campaign plane be configured to include a sofa up front so he could re-create the Straight Talk Express at 30,000 ft.
Sticking to the old formula seemed like a good idea. But with the press focused on Obama, McCain got attention only when he slipped up during one of his patented freewheeling encounters with reporters. And so in July, the campaign decided to clamp down on the candidate. Open-ended question time was reduced to almost nothing, and the famously unscripted McCain began heeding his talking points, even as his aides maintained he missed the old informality.
And so when TIME's James Carney and Michael Scherer were invited to the front of McCain's plane recently for an interview, they were ushered forward, past the curtain that now separates reporters from the candidate, past the sofa that was designed for his gabfests with the press and taken straight to the candidate's seat. McCain at first seemed happy enough to do the interview. But his mood quickly soured. The McCain on display in the 24-minute interview was prickly, at times abrasive, and determined not to stray off message. An excerpt:
What do you want voters to know coming out of the Republican Convention — about you, about your candidacy?
I'm prepared to be President of the United States, and I'll put my country first.
There's a theme that recurs in your books and your speeches, both about putting country first but also about honor. I wonder if you could define honor for us?
Read it in my books.
I've read your books.
No, I'm not going to define it.
But honor in politics?
I defined it in five books. Read my books.
[Your] campaign today is more disciplined, more traditional, more aggressive. From your point of view, why the change?
I will do as much as we possibly can do to provide as much access to the press as possible.
But beyond the press, sir, just in terms of ...
I think we're running a fine campaign, and this is where we are.
Do you miss the old way of doing it?
I don't know what you're talking about.
Really? Come on, Senator.
I'll provide as much access as possible ...
In 2000, after the primaries, you went back to South Carolina to talk about what you felt was a mistake you had made on the Confederate flag. Is there anything so far about this campaign that you wish you could take back or you might revisit when it's over?
[Does not answer.]
Do I know you? [Says with a laugh.]
[Long pause.] I'm very happy with the way our campaign has been conducted, and I am very pleased and humbled to have the nomination of the Republican Party.
You do acknowledge there was a change in the campaign, in the way you had run the campaign?
[Shakes his head.]
You don't acknowledge that? O.K., when your aides came to you and you decided, having been attacked by Barack Obama, to run some of those ads, was there a debate?
The campaign responded as planned.

To read the rest, click the link at the top.

[Mr. Brown]

McCain's testy interview with Time (http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1836909,00.html): (http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1836909,00.html%29:)
.

To read the rest, click the link at the top.
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I'd really like to read the article.

[redsox39]

Whoa the mayor of Detroit is being told not to come because hes a douchebag who's about to be kicked out... Republicans are being told not to show up at the convention because it will look bad for their reelection, there is a big difference.

Quote from the article:

Whoa dude, did you like, send out the memo to them, man? How about you explain yourself or STFU?

[Mr. Brown]

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger was slated for a high-profile role on the opening night of the Republican convention in St. Paul, Minn., on Monday, but there's a good chance he will forgo the spotlight.

The governor said at an appearance in downtown Los Angeles on Wednesday morning that he would skip the GOP gathering if California lawmakers hadn't reached an agreement on a state budget.

And given that the budget is nearly two months overdue and that legislators need to plug a $15-billion hole, odds are reasonably high it's not going to happen.

"The most important thing is to solve the budget crisis, to bring Democrats and Republicans together," the governor said as he stood with members of the California Contract Cities Assn. and Independent Cities Assn. on the steps of the Convention Center.

But will Schwarzenegger appear at the GOP convention via video? Stay tuned. He ducked the question when a reporter raised it Wednesday, and a spokesman for the governor said he wasn't sure.

Who are they going to bring out to draw in the viewers?

[Desperado]

Whoa dude, did you like, send out the memo to them, man? How about you explain yourself or STFU?


Wow captain obvious I didn't realize I needed to write in crayons for you to understand... What exactly did do you want me to explain, the article states that Republicans are clearly not going to the convention as it does not give them positive publicity for their reelection. Would you like more articles that help you understand why?

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/13/1263992.aspx

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Aug27/0,4670,CVNGOPConventionSchwarzenegger,00.html

http://thepilot.com/stories/20080817/opinion/columns/20080817Republicans.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/20/nyregion/20repubs.html?ei=5007&en=658532e8e46505b2&ex=1400385600&partner=USERLAND&pagewanted=print&

[Mr. Brown]

I posted a poll about cable news but where does people here get their online news from? There are so many sources. If you had to pic a top say 3 what would they be?
Me:


CNN.com
politico.com
nytimes.com

[Pharon]

I get 98% of my news from GMF.

[Mr. Brown]

please tell me you joking

[Pharon]

I wish I was.

[Mr. Brown]

wow you get a very interesting take on the world if your major news sources are limp, goat and arch.

[Pharon]

And Federal Farmer.

[Mr. Brown]

HAHAHAHAHA

[redsox39]

Wow captain obvious I didn't realize I needed to write in crayons for you to understand... What exactly did do you want me to explain, the article states that Republicans are clearly not going to the convention as it does not give them positive publicity for their reelection. Would you like more articles that help you understand why?

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/13/1263992.aspx

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Aug27/0,4670,CVNGOPConventionSchwarzenegger,00.html

http://thepilot.com/stories/20080817/opinion/columns/20080817Republicans.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/20/nyregion/20repubs.html?ei=5007&en=658532e8e46505b2&ex=1400385600&partner=USERLAND&pagewanted=print&


Then say what is really is and inject your bullshit into it. They don't like John McCain. Because McCain is really a liberal disguised as an old white guy.

[Rover]

I posted a poll about cable news but where does people here get their online news from? There are so many sources. If you had to pic a top say 3 what would they be?
Me:


CNN.com
politico.com
nytimes.com
Drudge Report (especially the links to the columnists)
WSJ (both the paper and the opinion journal)
Roll Call
Townhall
FoxNews
CNN
NYT

Every now and then as a sanity check, I'll visit either DailyKos or the Huffington Post. If I ever agree with anything the people who post comments say, I'll know I'm close to being insane.


If security sweeps are the giveaway, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney may be on the brink of being selected as Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) vice presidential running mate.
According to sources with strong Michigan ties, the Secret Service has conducted a security sweep of the home of Romney’s sister. Romney was raised in Michigan, where his father served as governor.
http://www.rollcall.com/news/27733-1.html

[Desperado]

Then say what is really is and inject your bullshit into it. They don't like John McCain. Because McCain is really a liberal disguised as an old white guy.

I don't know if its John McCain that really bothers them, I would guess that Bush being there and speaking would be more of the issue.

[Mr. Brown]

you subscribe to WSJ? I can't ever get to the good articles.

I don't like opinion post/pages b/c it's just that. I like raw facts and data and then I can make my own decision on the topic.

It's hard for me to go on drudge it's layout is so......shity

[Claydon]

Sink:

If McCain chose Lieberman it would not convince me to abstain from voting, I just think it would be a VERY weak ticket.

[Smokestack]

Sink:

If McCain chose Lieberman it would not convince me to abstain from voting, I just think it would be a VERY weak ticket.

Lieberman was a pretty weak campaigner both as the potential VP in 2000, in his failed Presidential run in 2004 and in his narrow Senate win in 2006. I think his name is being floated mainly to serve as a testimonial of McCain's ability to cross aisles. It'll be Romney or Pawlenty in the end.

[Claydon]

Lieberman was a pretty weak campaigner both as the potential VP in 2000, in his failed Presidential run in 2004 and in his narrow Senate win in 2006. I think his name is being floated mainly to serve as a testimonial of McCain's ability to cross aisles. It'll be Romney or Pawlenty in the end.

I agree with you, and as a Senator I do not think he is all that bad (Lieberman). My money and gmf money is on Romney. Something else occured to me, can't the VP candidate cough up a shit ton of money?

[Mr. Brown]

If McCain picks Lieberman I'm for Obama for the mere fact that it will show that McCain is not even really trying.

[Smokestack]

A sign it could be Romney? (http://www.rollcall.com/news/27733-1.html):

Romney Family Gets Security Sweep

August 28, 2008, 1:26 p.m.
By David M. Drucker
Roll Call Staff
http://www.rollcall.com/media/ui/clearpixel.gif
If security sweeps are the giveaway, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney may be on the brink of being selected as Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) vice presidential running mate. According to sources with strong Michigan ties, the Secret Service has conducted a security sweep of the home of Romney’s sister. Romney was raised in Michigan, where his father served as governor.
However, one campaign operative familiar with the working of a presidential-level campaign cautioned that a sweep of such a location could have been conducted in advance of Romney appearing as a surrogate — not the vice presidential nominee — at an upcoming McCain campaign stop in Michigan.
Any McCain campaign appearance in Michigan would likely include Romney, who remains popular there.
Other sources and some news reports have also suggested that Romney in the last few days might be traveling with a security detail, although exactly who employs this security detail could not be confirmed.
Romney finished first in Michigan’s January GOP presidential primary. McCain finished second in that race.

[Claydon]

Is it me, or does the set for the obama speech tonight really look like the outside of the white house, where the president gives a press conference?

[Claydon]

I really want it to be Romney, mostly because I want Pharon to be really confused as to what to do when he goes to the ballot box in November.

[Pharon]

Hey, I'm already sexually confused - I don't need this kind of pressure.

[kareyn01]

Is it me, or does the set for the obama speech tonight really look like the outside of the white house, where the president gives a press conference?

What I thought was funny was the McCain campaign issuing a press release saying it was the Temple of Obama, because of the "Roman-style columns". They then went on to say it should be called "Barackopolis" (which is Greek for "city of Obama") and that the proper dress code should be a toga (also Greek).

First of all, come up with something substantial to say, and don't come out with that kind of BS on the same day that McCain had the "I'm taking the day off from negative politics to congratulate you" ad put up. Also, if you're going to try and get snarky, don't mix your fucking metaphors.

[Fiend1138]

Added a PUBLIC Poll.

Because private ones are for sissy's.

[FlipHKD]

http://i38.tinypic.com/kc13qe.jpg

[kid_vidrio]

What's your point?

[FlipHKD]

just throwing out what I find on CNN about the candidates

[nuclearjew]

Hilarious!

[kid_vidrio]

just throwing out what I find on CNN about the candidates
Well, you probably think it's funny, but you really look like a superb dumbass posting somethign like that.
It's not on CNN, it's not related to anything said or done by BO (that's been made public) and generally suggests that you have nothing better to contribute that pathetic visual aids to propagate racial stereotypes.
Basically...text book fail.

[FlipHKD]

..text book fail.

That's the name of the game.

saying that
From this point on I will stay far away from the politics and controversy area for the greater good of gorillamask.

[Mr. Brown]

Well as speeches go that was a good one. But what I'm looking forward to are the debates.

[Claydon]

Well as speeches go that was a good one. But what I'm looking forward to are the debates.

Any dumbass can read a teleprompter.

I too am looking forward to the debates, obama tends to crash and burn in such settings, and mccain tends to do quite well (usually).

[kid_vidrio]

Any dumbass can read a teleprompter.

I too am looking forward to the debates, obama tends to crash and burn in such settings, and mccain tends to do quite well (usually).
You can't really think they match up in real debating skills.
McCain did well in that faux mano a mano at Saddleback because he broke the rules. Viewed objectively, he was owned.

In a live debate, he's going to go down in flames. Again.

[nuclearjew]

He's going to shit his pants, literally.

[Hobnail_Boot]

Well, you probably think it's funny, but you really look like a superb dumbass posting somethign like that.
It's not on CNN, it's not related to anything said or done by BO (that's been made public) and generally suggests that you have nothing better to contribute that pathetic visual aids to propagate racial stereotypes.
Basically...text book fail.
Dude, it's funny.

[Mr. Brown]

Any dumbass can read a teleprompter.

I too am looking forward to the debates, obama tends to crash and burn in such settings, and mccain tends to do quite well (usually).
I'm talking about the content. I'm not throwing myself behind one candidate or the other just yet, but I don't see McCain delivering a speech that's going to be as great. McCain is gonna have to have a real set out plan of what he's going to do.

McCain is not going to do well in the debates I feel. They are going to have to really play up his "experience" vs Obama

[Debo]

You can't really think they match up in real debating skills.
McCain did well in that faux mano a mano at Saddleback because he broke the rules. Viewed objectively, he was owned.

In a live debate, he's going to go down in flames. Again.

It depends on the format. In a townhall setting, McCain will smoke him. In a standard Q&A debate, Obama will do better.

The bottom line is that Obama is better when he knows what he is going to say ahead of time. And McCain is better on his feet.

P.S. I love how none of the Dems cheered when Obama was talking about getting tough with Russia. These guys sure do believe that hugs and sunshine is all that you need to save the world.

[Mr. Brown]

It depends on the format. In a townhall setting, McCain will smoke him. In a standard Q&A debate, Obama will do better.

The bottom line is that Obama is better when he knows what he is going to say ahead of time. And McCain is better on his feet.

P.S. I love how none of the Dems cheered when Obama was talking about getting tough with Russia. These guys sure do believe that hugs and sunshine is all that you need to save the world.
They do need to get bigger with the bark and back it up with a bite.
There is a time for diplomacy and a time for action. Diplomacy is dead

[kid_vidrio]

Dude, it's funny.
Dude.
It's not.

[Debo]

They do need to get bigger with the bark and back it up with a bite.

The Dems are no longer the party of Harry S. Truman, Scoop Jackson or Charlie Wilson. If Pelosi, Reid, or Obama were in charge during the Cold War, the Soviets would have won it in the 60s.

Did he actually pull out a quote from New Jack City? WTF! Barack "Nino" Obama?

[Mr. Brown]

Hey Nino was the shit he kept jobs in the community.

[kid_vidrio]

I was impressed enough tonight to think that BO has a plan, and it could lead to a gradual gain in his lead.
I think a bullet is the biggest thing in his way at this point, as sad as that is to say.

Side note: Dean Cain was on Larry King. He sucked as a superman.

[Debo]

Hey Nino was the shit he kept jobs in the community.

Good point. You can't outsource crack dealin'.

Edit: Unless he allows mail order crack from Canada.

[Mr. Brown]

The biggest thing now is who are going to be the congress people in his corner and his cabinet. This is what I'm most concerned about.

[kid_vidrio]

wow. you're saying it's a done deal.
bold, but not outrageous.

[Mr. Brown]

wow. you're saying it's a done deal.
bold, but not outrageous.
I don't mean to suggest he's won the election, but he's got 89% of my support. At this point it's if i'm gonna vote for Obama or not at all. if he's choices are not to what I look forward to I'm not gonna support him.

[kid_vidrio]

you could vote for nader

[Fiend1138]

you could vote for nader

It's a two party system! Go ahead throw your vote away!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d3/THOH_Kang_and_Kodos.png

[Mr. Brown]

you could vote for nader
That's just as bad as people calling in to CSPAN and saying their gonna vote for Ron Paul

[kid_vidrio]

Like they say, a vote for Nader is a vote for Nader.

[ADD]

Black guy

[Mr. Brown]

You called?

[cAsE sEnSiTiVe]

Dude.
It's not.


You don't think it's funny because you've been sack riding Hussein since day one.

[Mustard]

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w66/darthdilbert/Blog/obama_dumbo.png

Its a funny picture people.

you know, not to be taken seriously...

[Hanover Fist]

I still think Romney would be a bad choice for McCain to pick as his running mate. I personally like Romney alot and think he would be fantastic at the top of the ticket and that's the problem. McCain looks incredibly weaksauce next to Romney in just about every aspect.
Someone mentioned that Obama was the same way with Biden and I disagree about that. Biden is basically an empty blowhard. He's flashy but not much else. Obama has tons of charisma so theres no way Biden can outshine him.
Romney just makes McCain look a lot older, way less up to date on everything, and much less friendly. Romney highlights everything lame about McCain.
He's gotta go with a milder? VP like Pawlenty or KB Hutchison.

[Pharon]

Looks like Pawlenty's out of the running:

Pawlenty indicates he's not McCain's veep choice
By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer
12 minutes ago

DENVER - John McCain is keeping the name of his vice presidential choice a closely held secret, though Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty appeared to take himself out of the running.

With McCain set to announce his selection Friday in Dayton, Ohio, Pawlenty said he was not making the trip to Ohio.

"I'm not going to be there. I plan to be at the state fair. You can draw your conclusion from that," Pawlenty said on his weekly call-in radio show on WCCO-AM in Minneapolis. He also called it "a fair assumption" that he will not be McCain's running mate.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080829/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_mccain_veepstakes_4;_ylt=Apd8IMEXLmGvY4D8wxGNS rOpg9IF
I think it would be a brilliant move on his part to choose a woman - it might even make a difference with some of the disgruntled Hillary supporters.

[Hanover Fist]

The rumor on some of the sites I visit seems to be pointing more and more to Sarah Palin. They even tracked a plane that McCain uses on occasion.
I like the idea of McCain picking a female VP, and Palin is pretty damn MILFY.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N222GY

LoL, the internet makes even the littlest thing in the race news.

[heelsguy]

I still think Romney would be a bad choice for McCain to pick as his running mate. I personally like Romney alot and think he would be fantastic at the top of the ticket and that's the problem. McCain looks incredibly weaksauce next to Romney in just about every aspect.
Someone mentioned that Obama was the same way with Biden and I disagree about that. Biden is basically an empty blowhard. He's flashy but not much else. Obama has tons of charisma so theres no way Biden can outshine him.
Romney just makes McCain look a lot older, way less up to date on everything, and much less friendly. Romney highlights everything lame about McCain.
He's gotta go with a milder? VP like Pawlenty or KB Hutchison.


you know, if McCain picked condeleeza rice as his VP choice, there would be a giant short-circuit among the dems....something akin to what happened to the WHOPR computer after playing tic-tac-toe in the movie "Wargames"

[Hanover Fist]

I'm not a big fan of Condi, she's out of her league and brings too much W baggage. Start fresh with Palin I say.

[Mr. Brown]

Their saying that Palin is still in AK so it's doubtful that she's be in Datyon

[FarEastFornicator]

They made a mockery of Nader when he went on MSNBC. Everyone outside booed him and the newscaster said he didn't understand the people since he forgot his name. I don't understand why anyone even gives him airtime, spewing all this bullshit about a two party conspiracy lead by the corporate giants.

[Papelgod]

It's too bad that Condoleeza Rice gave an emphatic no to being a possible running mate for McCain. She's more qualified than Obama, and it would have nullified the whole woman and black thing to an extent.

She also is the perfect story. Came from the South while things were still segregationized, and came up to become one of the most powerful women in the world through hard work. She also appeals to the religious sect, due to the fact that she's the daughter of a minister.

She's also a major name who is pro-war, which is something McCain needs. A major part of his campaign is success in Iraq.

[Hanover Fist]

Their saying that Palin is still in AK so it's doubtful that she's be in Datyon


I dunno, this was just posted a few minutes ago.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080829/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_veepstakes

DENVER - John McCain kept his vice presidential pick a closely guarded secret hours before the high-stakes announcement Friday as top prospects seemed to drop away and speculation moved to darkhorse candidate Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.
Two GOP strategists close to the McCain campaign said all indications pointed to Palin, 44, a self-styled "hockey mom" and political reformer. The strategists spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized by the McCain camp to discuss the matter. There was no confirmation from McCain or his advisers.
With an announcement scheduled in Dayton, Ohio, an associate of Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty said the governor had been informed he is not McCain's pick. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak for Pawlenty, who had all but ruled himself out.

[kid_vidrio]

Palin would be a deft choice on a marketing level.
Now to find out more about her.
'From Hockey Mom to VP.' Great story, but do I want a hockey mom carrying the football?

[Mr. Brown]

I guess their gonna fly her in at the last min. It would be a very good choice selecting a woman, but I don't know enough about her so I got some research to do this weekend.

[kid_vidrio]

Wicked good choice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin
Palin was born as Sarah Louise Heath in Sandpoint (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandpoint,_Idaho), Idaho (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho), the daughter of Charles and Sally (Sheeran) Heath.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-1) The family moved to Alaska when Sarah was an infant.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Sarah-2) Charles Heath was a popular science teacher and coached track.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Sarah-2) The Heaths were avid outdoors enthusiasts; Sarah and her father would sometimes wake at 3 a.m. to hunt moose before school, and the family would regularly run 5k and 10k races.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Sarah-2)
Palin was the point guard and captain for the Wasilla High School Warriors, in Wasilla, Alaska (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasilla,_Alaska), when they won the Alaska small-school basketball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball) championship in 1982; she earned the nickname "Sarah Barracuda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barracuda)" because of her intense play.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Sarah-2) [4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Boese-3) She played the championship game despite a stress fracture in her ankle, hitting a critical free throw in the last seconds.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Sarah-2) Palin, who was also the head of the school Fellowship of Christian Athletes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fellowship_of_Christian_Athletes), would lead the team in prayer before games.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Sarah-2)
In 1984, Palin was first runner-up in the Miss Alaska (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Alaska) beauty pageant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beauty_pageant) after winning the Miss Wasilla contest earlier that year, winning a scholarship to help pay her way through college.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Sarah-2)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Layne-4) In the Wasilla pageant, she played the flute and also won Miss Congeniality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Congeniality).
Details of Palin's personal life have contributed to her political image. She hunts, eats moose (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose)burgers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger), ice fishes, rides snowmobiles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowmobile), and owns a float plane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Float_plane).[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Barnes-5)[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Arnold-6) Palin holds a lifetime membership with the National Rifle Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association). She admits that she used marijuana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marijuana) when it was legal in Alaska, but says that she did not like it.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Hopkins-7)
Palin holds a bachelor's degree (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor%27s_degree) in journalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism) from the University of Idaho (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Idaho) where she also minored in politics. She briefly worked as a sports reporter for local Anchorage television stations while also working as a commercial fisherman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_fishing) with her husband, Todd, her high school sweetheart.[ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Sarah-2)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/Palin1.JPG/225px-Palin1.JPG

[Mr. Brown]

She is seeming like the best bet. That's gonna take some points from Obama.

[kid_vidrio]

It would take every woman still unsure about the Hillary endorsement.
It would make the right pretty happy.
She's a Christian, married to her HS sweetheart. A mom, cute, with a college education.
She hunts and plays while injured.
She's fucking super-candidate.

[Mr. Brown]

Yeah but that would not be what swings me over to McCain. i'd be more worried that he's old ass gets sick and she's in charge.

[Hanover Fist]

You missed the best parts EL.

On September 11, 2007, the Palins' son Track joined the Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Army). Eighteen years old at the time, he is the eldest of Palin's five children.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-AP-SonEnlists-9) Track now serves in an infantry brigade and will be deployed to Iraq in September. She also has three daughters: Bristol, 17, Willow, 13, and Piper, 7.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Palin-bio-10) On April 18, 2008, Palin gave birth to her second son, Trig Paxson Van Palin, who has Down syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_syndrome).[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-11) She returned to the office three days after giving birth.[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-quinn-12) Palin refused to let the results of prenatal genetic testing change her decision to have the baby. "I'm looking at him right now, and I see perfection," Palin said. "Yeah, he has an extra chromosome. I keep thinking, in our world, what is normal and what is perfect?"[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-quinn-12)

[kid_vidrio]

http://www.palmerelks.org/images/wwp-photo2.jpg

[Debo]

It would take every woman still unsure about the Hillary endorsement.
It would make the right pretty happy.
She's a Christian, married to her HS sweetheart. A mom, cute, with a college education.
She hunts and plays while injured.
She's fucking super-candidate.

From memory she has the following positives:
- pro-drilling in Alaska,
- she has one or two kids in the Marines fighting in Iraq,
- I think that she is pretty pro-life (helps with the bible beaters);
- as you stated, she should play well with the undecided female voters.

Negatives:

- Recently there has been a mild scandal involving her and her former brother-in-law. I am sure that Obama and Co. will be there best to play this part up.

[Mr. Brown]

She seems cool but that doesn't swing me, unless she does a spread for playboy. That would be awesome.

[redsox39]

Palin would be a deft choice on a marketing level.
Now to find out more about her.
'From Hockey Mom to VP.' Great story, but do I want a hockey mom carrying the football?

Like you even care, if you could have, you would have voted for Obama last year. Your vote was gone since day one, you weren't ever going to seriously think about voting for any other than whatever schlub you party put up.

So it is hard to take your opinions without a grain of salt.

[kid_vidrio]

Gov. Sarah Palin on Wednesday revealed an audio recording that shows an aide pressuring the Public Safety Department to fire a state trooper embroiled in a custody battle with her sister.
Palin, who has previously said her administration didn’t exert pressure to get rid of trooper Mike Wooten, also disclosed that members of her staff had made about two dozen contacts with public safety officials about the trooper.

[kid_vidrio]

Like you even care, if you could have, you would have voted for Obama last year. Your vote was gone since day one, you weren't ever going to seriously think about voting for any other than whatever schlub you party put up.

So it is hard to take your opinions without a grain of salt.
Well, given that there is at least some chance of her being in the white house, yeah, I care.

You're not very good at all this are ya. Try to keep up.
Saying shit like 'opinions don't count because you don't like what I like' would pretty much invalidate the concept of debate. Which is what we do here. A lot. If you want to whack off to your own opinions with people that agree, make a thread for it and stay there. Or STFU.

[Debo]

Here is an interview with her on the subject:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pak-rH0dCeA


Here is the full interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ys4HGbiONY

[redsox39]

Well, given that there is at least some chance of her being in the white house, yeah, I care.

You're not very good at all this are ya. Try to keep up.
Saying shit like 'opinions don't count because you don't like what I like' would pretty much invalidate the concept of debate. Which is what we do here. A lot. If you want to whack off to your own opinions with people that agree, make a thread for it and stay there. Or STFU.

I didn't articulate that well. I think half the time you say really thoghtful things that I normally would listen too, but then I remember...your vote was already partisan to begin with. That's all. I thought you brought up some good things on the Alaskan Princess, but instead of reading them, the whole time I am thinking, "why does he want McCain to pick her, what kind of dirt does he have on her already, should I go check the daily kos?"

[Debo]

Fox just confirmed that it is Palin. I love it.

[Hanover Fist]

That is a pretty awesome choice. I didn't think McCain would make a move like this honestly. I figured he would fag out and tag Lincoln Chaffee or Lieberman or something.

[Tar Heel]

i'd be more worried that his old ass gets sick and she's in charge.

[Papelgod]

Wicked good choice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/Palin1.JPG/225px-Palin1.JPG

She kind of looks like Tina Fey.

[Hanover Fist]

Seriously how can you read stuff like this and not love her?

In 2006, Palin, running on a clean-government campaign, executed an upset victory over then-Gov. Murkowski in the Republican gubernatorial primary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_election).[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Sarah-3) Despite the lack of support from party leaders and being outspent by her Democratic opponent, she went on to win the general election (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_election) in November 2006, defeating former Governor Tony Knowles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Knowles).[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Sarah-3)[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Hopkins-11) Palin said in 2006 that education, public safety, and transportation would be three cornerstones of her administration.
When elected, Palin became the first woman to be Alaska's governor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_state_governors_in_the_United_State s), and the youngest governor in Alaskan history at 42 years old upon taking office. Palin was also the first Alaskan governor born after Alaska achieved U.S. statehood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Statehood_Act). She was also the first Alaskan governor not to be inaugurated in Juneau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneau), instead choosing to hold her inauguration ceremony in Fairbanks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairbanks,_Alaska). She took office on December 4, 2006.
Highlights of Governor Palin's tenure include a successful push for an ethics bill, and also shelving pork-barrel projects supported by fellow Republicans. Palin successfully killed the Bridge to Nowhere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_to_Nowhere) project that had become a nationwide symbol of wasteful earmark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earmark) spending.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-quinn-8)[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-15) "Alaska needs to be self-sufficient, she says, instead of relying heavily on 'federal dollars,' as the state does today."[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Barnes-9)
She has challenged the state's Republican leaders, helping to launch a campaign by Lieutenant Governor Sean Parnell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Parnell) to unseat U.S. Congressman Don Young (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Young)[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-WSJ-16) and publicly challenging Senator Senator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Stevens)Ted Stevens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Stevens) to come clean about the federal investigation into his financial dealings. Fred Barnes of The Weekly Standard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Weekly_Standard) praised Palin as a "politician of eye-popping integrity" and referred to her rise as "a great (and rare) story of how adherence to principle—especially to transparency and accountability in government—can produce political success.
In 2007, Palin had an approval rating often in the 90s.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Barnes-9) A poll published by Hays Research on July 28, 2008 showed Palin's approval rating at 80%

[Emjanss]

Seriously how can you read stuff like this and not love her?
Highlights of Governor Palin's tenure include a successful push for an ethics bill, and also shelving pork-barrel projects supported by fellow Republicans. Palin successfully killed the Bridge to Nowhere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_to_Nowhere) project that had become a nationwide symbol of wasteful earmark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earmark) spending.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-quinn-8)[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-15) "Alaska needs to be self-sufficient, she says, instead of relying heavily on 'federal dollars,' as the state does today."[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Barnes-9)
She has challenged the state's Republican leaders, helping to launch a campaign by Lieutenant Governor Sean Parnell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Parnell) to unseat U.S. Congressman Don Young (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Young)[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-WSJ-16) and publicly challenging Senator Senator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Stevens)Ted Stevens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Stevens) to come clean about the federal investigation into his financial dealings. Fred Barnes of The Weekly Standard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Weekly_Standard) praised Palin as a "politician of eye-popping integrity" and referred to her rise as "a great (and rare) story of how adherence to principle—especially to transparency and accountability in government—can produce political success.
In 2007, Palin had an approval rating often in the 90s.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Barnes-9) A poll published by Hays Research on July 28, 2008 showed Palin's approval rating at 80%
still I keep wanting to pronouce her name as "Plain"

In all honesty, that paragraph is a lot of really good stuff to me.

but I am reminded that the first to present their case seems right at the time.

[Desperado]

So if McCain was to get elected and dies of old age...Palin is younger than Obama, been in office only 2 years. Does that mean age and experience don't matter?

[Smokestack]

Seriously how can you read stuff like this and not love her?

In 2006, Palin, running on a clean-government campaign, executed an upset victory over then-Gov. Murkowski in the Republican gubernatorial primary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_election).[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Sarah-3) Despite the lack of support from party leaders and being outspent by her Democratic opponent, she went on to win the general election (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_election) in November 2006, defeating former Governor Tony Knowles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Knowles).[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Sarah-3)[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Hopkins-11) Palin said in 2006 that education, public safety, and transportation would be three cornerstones of her administration.
When elected, Palin became the first woman to be Alaska's governor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_state_governors_in_the_United_State s), and the youngest governor in Alaskan history at 42 years old upon taking office. Palin was also the first Alaskan governor born after Alaska achieved U.S. statehood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Statehood_Act). She was also the first Alaskan governor not to be inaugurated in Juneau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneau), instead choosing to hold her inauguration ceremony in Fairbanks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairbanks,_Alaska). She took office on December 4, 2006.
Highlights of Governor Palin's tenure include a successful push for an ethics bill, and also shelving pork-barrel projects supported by fellow Republicans. Palin successfully killed the Bridge to Nowhere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_to_Nowhere) project that had become a nationwide symbol of wasteful earmark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earmark) spending.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-quinn-8)[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-15) "Alaska needs to be self-sufficient, she says, instead of relying heavily on 'federal dollars,' as the state does today."[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Barnes-9)
She has challenged the state's Republican leaders, helping to launch a campaign by Lieutenant Governor Sean Parnell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Parnell) to unseat U.S. Congressman Don Young (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Young)[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-WSJ-16) and publicly challenging Senator Senator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Stevens)Ted Stevens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Stevens) to come clean about the federal investigation into his financial dealings. Fred Barnes of The Weekly Standard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Weekly_Standard) praised Palin as a "politician of eye-popping integrity" and referred to her rise as "a great (and rare) story of how adherence to principle—especially to transparency and accountability in government—can produce political success.
In 2007, Palin had an approval rating often in the 90s.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#cite_note-Barnes-9) A poll published by Hays Research on July 28, 2008 showed Palin's approval rating at 80%

On the reasons not to love her front, looks like she's for teaching creationism in the classroom (http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/elections/story/8347904p-8243554c.html):

Palin was answering a question from the moderator near the conclusion of Wednesday night's televised debate on KAKM Channel 7 when she said, "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

[Pharon]

I'd still hit it.

[Debo]

So if McCain was to get elected and dies of old age...Palin is younger than Obama, been in office only 2 years. Does that mean age and experience don't matter?

She only assumes the role of POTUS if McCain dies while in office. Obama is the top of the ticket that means that he is in charge from day one. There is a huge difference.

[Pharon]

There is a huge difference.
Not from a perception standpoint, though. I mean, it neutralizes the inexperience argument entirely. McCain can't go around highlighting Obama's age and inexperience without sounding completely hypocritical.

Not that I think she was a poor choice at all, though. It's his best chance at making this election close. Without her he loses the election by 5% - 7%, easy. Now I think he might even be able to cut the margin to 2% - 3%. We'll see.

[Tar Heel]

Yes. It is totally different, but McCain is the 1st candidate that I legitimately worry about his health. Especially if he survives to get re-elected. More so than with other candidates, I think his VP should be ready to be president. being president is an extremely high stress job and that stress can have a serious impact on that person's health, especially if you are 103 like McCain.

[Da Raider]

Yes. It is totally different, but McCain is the 1st candidate that I legitimately worry about his health. Especially if he survives to get re-elected. More so than with other candidates, I think his VP should be ready to be president.

A Governor's responsibilities are far more similiar to Presidential responsibilities than whatever it is that Senators do.

[Smokestack]

A Governor's responsibilities are far more similiar to Presidential responsibilities than whatever it is that Senators do.

That's true, but the issues addressed by Senators are often more in line with what a president has to deal with.

[Desperado]

A Governor's responsibilities are far more similiar to Presidential responsibilities than whatever it is that Senators do.


Yes George Bush certainly proved that, however 2 years in office is some what of a short time(in alaska)....

[Mr. Brown]

A Governor's responsibilities are far more similiar to Presidential responsibilities than whatever it is that Senators do.
But it's Alaska and she's not been in command for that long.

[hatepoppy]

But it's Alaska and she's not been in command for that long.
and she's a girl.

[Mr. Brown]

yeah who got a little one still sucking on the tit.

[Debo]

Yes George Bush certainly proved that, however 2 years in office is some what of a short time(in alaska)....

This isn't any different than saying that "he is just an actor" or "he is just a peanut farmer from SW Georgia".

In the end, there are advisers in place to help make foreign policy decisions. It isn't like she is going to be sitting in the White House alone if McCain does pass away.

[Da Raider]

the fact that she has pissed off the corrupt GOP establishment in Alaska is good enough for me.

[Claydon]

Palin would be a deft choice on a marketing level.
Now to find out more about her.
'From Hockey Mom to VP.' Great story, but do I want a hockey mom carrying the football?

Do you want a half ass politician from the south side of chicago carrying the football?

[Mr. Brown]

Do you want a half ass politician from the south side of chicago carrying the football?
At least if he has to wade through water he can lift it above his head.

[Smokestack]

Do you want a half ass politician from the south side of chicago carrying the football?

No, a 72-year-old man who has mortgaged his long-held values is much better!

[Desperado]

At least if he has to wade through water he can lift it above his head.

Doggy paddle?

[Mr. Brown]

you know blacks can't swim

[Smokestack]

Since McCain has said that Obama would rather lose a war than lose an election, what can be made of his choice of Palin as VP? Seems he might be more interested in his own election than picking the most qualified, experienced back-up to himself.

[kareyn01]

You all really think that Sarah Palin is a good choice for VP? She's been the governor of Alaska since December of 2006, and before that she was the mayor of Wasilla (pop. 9000). McCain's ENTIRE platform so far is that Obama has no experience, and now he picks someone with half as much experience as Obama.

Also, how many Clinton supporters do you really think are going to support her when she is staunchly pro-life, and anti-gay marriage?

On top of all that, there is the aforementioned scandal inolving the removal of the police commissioner for his refusal to fire her ex brother-in law.

And Red Sox, before you start bitching that I'm a Democrat and therefore a biased moron, know that I was also critical of the selection of Joe Biden. That being said, he will destroy her in debates.

[Mr. Brown]

Since McCain has said that Obama would rather lose a war than lose an election, what can be made of his choice of Palin as VP? Seems he might be more interested in his own election than picking the most qualified, experienced back-up to himself.
Well said he's choose her to win the election, not to actually deliver once in office. It's the same old game plan - lets do and say what's gonna get us in and then it's business as usual.

[Da Raider]

If John McCain can get Palin and his wife to make out on stage, he'll win in a landslide.

[Mr. Brown]

Oh God they have so little to talk about on Plain that they keep talking about her damn kid and the "pressures of being a mother"

[kareyn01]

This probably won't help either. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12969.html


In an interview just a month ago, she dissed the job, saying it didn’t seem “productive.”
In fact, she said she doesn’t know what the vice president does.
Larry Kudlow of CNBC’s “Kudlow & Co.” asked her about the possibility of becoming McCain ticket mate.
Palin replied: “[A]s for that V.P. talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the V.P. does every day? I’m used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that V.P .slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we’re trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question.”

[Mr. Brown]

That had to be the lamest into music ever I've heard that in way to many damn movies.

[heelsguy]

palin looks exactly like Tina Fey will look in 10 years...if she is lucky

[Mr. Brown]

Yeah but I'd prob want Fey as a VP than her

[heelsguy]

fey would be funnier, but there IS that scar

[kareyn01]

Just a couple more responses to Palin's selection, this time from the Republicans (well, one Republican, one windbag, and one former-Republican windbag):

Kay Bailey Hutchinson on CNN; "I really don't know much about her"

Joe Scarborough: "I can't imagine a woman that's been a governor for a year and a half, but to debate Joe Biden on GEorgia, a remerging Russia, an emerging China and India, on the Middle East, my God, how does she do that?"

Pat Buchanan: "Biggest political gamble I believe just about in American political history...that is not hyberbole. I can think of no choice of VP that approaches this"

All this selection shows from McCain is desperation. She's been governor for a year and a half, and her mayorship of Walissa was PART-TIME.

[heelsguy]

Yes. It is totally different, but McCain is the 1st candidate that I legitimately worry about his health. Especially if he survives to get re-elected. More so than with other candidates, I think his VP should be ready to be president. being president is an extremely high stress job and that stress can have a serious impact on that person's health, especially if you are 103 like McCain.

age has little to do with it. the finest doctors on earth will check him every week.

plus clinton was barely 50 but it turns out he had such clogged arteries he was lucky he did not die while getting that BJ

[redsox39]

So if McCain was to get elected and dies of old age...Palin is younger than Obama, been in office only 2 years. Does that mean age and experience don't matter?

Lol, She still has 2 years more under her belt of being in charge than Obama does.

And she must have done something right to unseat another republican and beat a former Govenor for the Election.

All Obama did was beat a woman 50% of the World hates.

[freegood]

This probably won't help either. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12969.html

In an interview just a month ago, she dissed the job, saying it didn’t seem “productive.”
In fact, she said she doesn’t know what the vice president does.
Larry Kudlow of CNBC’s “Kudlow & Co.” asked her about the possibility of becoming McCain ticket mate.
Palin replied: “[A]s for that V.P. talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the V.P. does every day? I’m used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that V.P .slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we’re trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question.”



Spare organs in case the geezer needs a new kidney.

[Emjanss]

Certainly the best Looking VP candidate ever
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g100/dayglored/Sarah-Palin-Miss-Wasilla-1984.jpg

and certainly a better candidate than Dan Quayle - and he won!

[Mr. Brown]

They need to stop milking the war vet shit. It was a few wars ago. we don't need another war hawk pres. He fucking "supports" the troops but he likes war and the money it makes.

[heelsguy]

They need to stop milking the war vet shit. It was a few wars ago. we don't need another war hawk pres. He fucking "supports" the troops but he likes war and the money it makes.

LOL

obama "touts" his time as a "community organizer". whoopdee-damn-do. all that was was to build a base to win a seat in the illinois state senate

[kareyn01]

They need to stop milking the war vet shit. It was a few wars ago. we don't need another war hawk pres. He fucking "supports" the troops but he likes war and the money it makes.

He "supports the troops" but opposed the new GI Bill, and then tried to replace it with a BS bill that cut their college and medical benefits, in an attempt to save face, just so his name would be attached to "McCain-sponsored GI Bill".

[Mr. Brown]

eh the speech didn't move me but I'm gonna read more about her and see what she's gonna say in the next few weeks

[kareyn01]

LOL

obama "touts" his time as a "community organizer". whoopdee-damn-do. all that was was to build a base to win a seat in the illinois state senate

He was a community organizer to win a base to get elected to the Illinois State Senate? He was an organizer from 85 to 88, then went to Harvard, then taught at the University of Chicago until 1997. That's a pretty ingenious way to build a base a decade before you intend to run for office. Hell, if that was the plan, and it worked, it would be even more impressive.

[redsox39]

They need to stop milking the war vet shit. It was a few wars ago. we don't need another war hawk pres. He fucking "supports" the troops but he likes war and the money it makes.

He is also pretty soft on Terror and Torture being as he was a part of it. I thought you guys would like his soft, pussy side.

[redsox39]

He was a community organizer to win a base to get elected to the Illinois State Senate? He was an organizer from 85 to 88, then went to Harvard, then taught at the University of Chicago until 1997. That's a pretty ingenious way to build a base a decade before you intend to run for office. Hell, if that was the plan, and it worked, it would be even more impressive.

God Damn it! He went to HARVARD!!!! He is 100% qualified!!! WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED?!!?!?!?

[Desperado]

Lol, She still has 2 years more under her belt of being in charge than Obama does.

And she must have done something right to unseat another republican and beat a former Govenor for the Election.

All Obama did was beat a woman 50% of the World hates.


2 years of being in charge of Alaska...wow great point there. She must have done something right, you do realize that Alaska has also elected Ted Stevens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_of_tubes) right? So maybe their judgment isn't something to brag about. But hey I did like that her mayorship of Walissa was "PART-TIME". I feel good about this pick.

[Stax]

The actual PRACTICE of experience is meaningless for why Palin kills McCain's argument. She kills it because that is McCain directly saying "If I die I want her to be president." If he wants a 44 year old part-of-1-term governor to be president, clearly the age/inexperience argument is crap.

[redsox39]

2 years of being in charge of Alaska...wow great point there. She must have done something right, you do realize that Alaska has also elected Ted Stevens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_of_tubes) right? So maybe their judgment isn't something to brag about. But hey I did like that her mayorship of Walissa was "PART-TIME". I feel good about this pick.

You should also know that she is the one bagging on Stevens to fess up and GTFO...

Yeaqh, they elected Stevens because he was running against a scumbag. Seriously, how big of a pile do you have to be to lose against a guy about to get the boot?

[Desperado]

You should also know that she is the one bagging on Stevens to fess up and GTFO...

Yeaqh, they elected Stevens because he was running against a scumbag. Seriously, how big of a pile do you have to be to lose against a guy about to get the boot?


Haha hell if I know, but that sounds about right for Alaska I guess...

[kareyn01]

You should also know that she is the one bagging on Stevens to fess up and GTFO...

Yeaqh, they elected Stevens because he was running against a scumbag. Seriously, how big of a pile do you have to be to lose against a guy about to get the boot?

And there Palin is championing ethics reform while at the same time being investigated by her own state legislature for unlawful termination of the Public Safety Commissioner. That's almost as bad as McCain breaking his own campaign finance and ethics reform bill.

And the problems with the Alaskan Republican Party aren't exactly restricted to Ted Stevens. Look up Don Young while you're at it.

[Smokestack]

The actual PRACTICE of experience is meaningless for why Palin kills McCain's argument. She kills it because that is McCain directly saying "If I die I want her to be president." If he wants a 44 year old part-of-1-term governor to be president, clearly the age/inexperience argument is crap.

+1. Also out of play is the "putting country before politics" line/smear because this was certainly a political selection if there ever was one. This whole election/campaign is about to go in some new directions.

[Nosebuckle]

It's really unfortunate the value that campaigns put on VPs

[Mr. Brown]

It's a joint ticket. it's not like the old days were the VP was just in charge of NASA and did photo shoots. the 21st century is serious business.

[Stax]

It's really unfortunate the value that campaigns put on VPs

It is the one single presidential act we see a candidate make pre-election, so it is the one piece of ACTUAL judgement we can go by.

[Mr. Brown]

It is the one single presidential act we see a candidate make pre-election, so it is the one piece of ACTUAL judgement we can go by.
Very good point. And as of now, to me it looks like McCain made a good choice to get elected, not one on who's gonna help him lead.

[Emjanss]

Everyone get your tin-foil conspiracy hats on....

Most people assume Senator Obama is going to win this election, so let's assume that McCain, etc. have also come to this conclusion. If we make that assumption then this VP selection is about selecting someone to defeat President Obama in 2012.

In 2012 Governor Palin would then have not only 6 years expierence as a Governor, but also the experience of a national presidential campaign. Add to that her gender, her looks and her willingness to wear something other than a pantsuit and you might have a candidate actually in position to defeat President Obama and actually become the first female President.

[Claydon]

It is interesting to me that the most talk about the VP choice is about McCain's choice and not about biden (both on gmf and the media). You guys have done 3 pages of posts about this vp choice and biden got a dozen at best.

interesting

[Mr. Brown]

ooo that's one I gotta ponder on.

[Stax]

It is interesting to me that the most talk about the VP choice is about McCain's choice and not about biden (both on gmf and the media). You guys have done 3 pages of posts about this vp choice and biden got a dozen at best.

interesting

Because, as I already said, Biden was a safe, sensible, expected choice.

Everyone get your tin-foil conspiracy hats on....

Most people assume Senator Obama is going to win this election, so let's assume that McCain, etc. have also come to this conclusion. If we make that assumption then this VP selection is about selecting someone to defeat President Obama in 2012.

In 2012 Governor Palin would then have not only 6 years expierence as a Governor, but also the experience of a national presidential campaign. Add to that her gender, her looks and her willingness to wear something other than a pantsuit and you might have a candidate actually in position to defeat President Obama and actually become the first female President.

That's not really conspiracy theory, what's wrong with using the VP slot to elevate someone? Happened with Clinton, happened with Edwards (though didn't work out), happens a lot.

[Mr. Brown]

It is interesting to me that the most talk about the VP choice is about McCain's choice and not about biden (both on gmf and the media). You guys have done 3 pages of posts about this vp choice and biden got a dozen at best.

interesting
B/C Biden is known and was a safe choice. Made sense, this selection it's something to talk about.

[Pharon]

Pat Buchanan: "Biggest political gamble I believe just about in American political history...that is not hyberbole. I can think of no choice of VP that approaches this"
He's got a short memory then. Bentsen vs. Quayle was at least as lopsided, if not more so. And yet, in the end, it didn't matter.

[kareyn01]

It is interesting to me that the most talk about the VP choice is about McCain's choice and not about biden (both on gmf and the media). You guys have done 3 pages of posts about this vp choice and biden got a dozen at best.

interesting

I agree with everybody else; Biden is a known quantity, so all you could really say is whether you liked the pick or not; it was also leaked in the press days before the selection was made official.

With Palin, nobody really knew much about her (including Kay Bailey Hutchinson), she doesn't have a lot of experience, and it was pretty unexpected, so there's a lot more to discuss. I think that's ultimately the reason the McCain campaign picked her: it moves the buzz from Obama's speech to the Republican party, there's a chance that she can attract some disaffected Clinton voters, and the McCain camp decided that none of the other options gave them much of a boost.

[Hanover Fist]

He's got a short memory then. Bentsen vs. Quayle was at least as lopsided, if not more so. And yet, in the end, it didn't matter.

The 1968 election was also mentioned along with that one when it was Agnew against the much more experienced Muskie. The dems lost that one too.
Agnew went from county executive to VP in 6 years.

[kareyn01]

He's got a short memory then. Bentsen vs. Quayle was at least as lopsided, if not more so. And yet, in the end, it didn't matter.

God, I can't believe I'm defending Pat Buchanan, but I don't think he meant that this was the most lopsided choice, simply the biggest gamble. Quayle might have been a gamble, but its hard to say that he was MORE of a gamble than Palin, especially with Michigan up in the air, and Romney sitting on the sidelines.

[Soup Nazi]

A gamble is different then "lopsided" which was the point of Buchanan's quote. I was 2 years old in 88, and I could have been on Bush Sr.'s ticket and won, we are talking about Michael Fuckin Dukakis here. When you've got the election in your pocket there are very few choices that are a legit "gamble". It's like Bill Gates sitting down at a $5 per hand blackjack table, and saying he will "stay" when he only has a 12. Sure it may not be a good idea, but he is hardly risking anything.

[Emjanss]

A gamble is different then "lopsided" which was the point of Buchanan's quote. I was 2 years old in 88, and I could have been on Bush Sr.'s ticket and won, we are talking about Michael Fuckin Dukakis here. When you've got the election in your pocket there are very few choices that are a legit "gamble". It's like Bill Gates sitting down at a $5 per hand blackjack table, and saying he will "stay" when he only has a 12. Sure it may not be a good idea, but he is hardly risking anything.


I have no idea if you agree with Buchanan or not

[Stax]

I have no idea if you agree with Buchanan or not

I think his point was more that someone like Quayle is a bad example because the race was decided before you knew who the VPs were.

[Le Goat]

I would do unspeakable things to Palin. I have a very, very bad addiction to Soccer Mom's

[Smokestack]

I think it's a fantastic ticket. You have Mavericky and Gimmicky.

[Emjanss]

I think it's a fantastic ticket. You have Mavericky and Gimmicky.

I wonder if that is what Govenor Frank Murkowski thought? or maybe Randy Ruedrich? or Gregg Renkes?

What I have to wonder is can she make up some of the difference between Senator Obama's strongest strength and Senator McCain's greatest weakness?

When Senator Obama gives a speach, everyone wants to hear it again and again. When Senator McCain gives a speach people want to nap.

[kareyn01]

Judging by her first speech, I'd say the answer is no.

[smith42687]

I would do unspeakable things to Palin. I have a very, very bad addiction to Soccer Mom's

That's why this is a fucking home-run for the McCain camp. The people most concerned about voting for McCain are the social bible-thumping conservatives. Enter a hot, 44 year old milf, with 5 kids, very anti-abortion (just had a down syndrome child in April) hunter, fisher, outdoorsman, female.

The group most concerned about voting for Obama are the liberal females who feel they got fucked over by the party with how they treated Clinton. Now McCain gives them the easy option of voting for another female. It won't matter to these people that she stands for everything they are against, they get to vote for their demographic while Obama crumbled to the Democratic party demands of old white guy for a VP.

Brilliant move by McCain. I still hate him and his campaign and won't vote for him, but fucking brilliant.



In regards to Obama pick of Biden, in my best JK Simmons "Thank You For Smoking" voice:

"I just could not have imagined how you could have fucked this up any worse."

[ADD]

McCain's just trying to take the Hillary votes from the skirts

[kareyn01]

That's why this is a fucking home-run for the McCain camp. The people most concerned about voting for McCain are the social bible-thumping conservatives. Enter a hot, 44 year old milf, with 5 kids, very anti-abortion (just had a down syndrome child in April) hunter, fisher, outdoorsman, female.

The group most concerned about voting for Obama are the liberal females who feel they got fucked over by the party with how they treated Clinton. Now McCain gives them the easy option of voting for another female. It won't matter to these people that she stands for everything they are against, they get to vote for their demographic while Obama crumbled to the Democratic party demands of old white guy for a VP.

Brilliant move by McCain. I still hate him and his campaign and won't vote for him, but fucking brilliant.



In regards to Obama pick of Biden, in my best JK Simmons "Thank You For Smoking" voice:

"I just could not have imagined how you could have fucked this up any worse."

I wasn't that impressed by the Biden selection either, but lets wait until after the first VP debate to see who looks like the better choice. Palin against Biden might have actually weakened Biden's appeal as a bulldog because the viewing public might not take too well to Biden ripping her apart. I guess we'll see.

[Alohabear]

Obama is like Carter w/out the peanuts

[Emjanss]

Does anyone think that Senator Obama would have made a different choice if he got to pick after Senator McCain?

Or would Senator McCain have made a different choice if he had to pick before Senator Obama?

[Stax]

smith, You are a stupid stupid man.

That's why this is a fucking home-run for the McCain camp. The people most concerned about voting for McCain are the social bible-thumping conservatives. Enter a hot, 44 year old milf, with 5 kids, very anti-abortion (just had a down syndrome child in April) hunter, fisher, outdoorsman, female.

The group most concerned about voting for Obama are the liberal females who feel they got fucked over by the party with how they treated Clinton. Now McCain gives them the easy option of voting for another female. It won't matter to these people that she stands for everything they are against, they get to vote for their demographic while Obama crumbled to the Democratic party demands of old white guy for a VP.

Brilliant move by McCain. I still hate him and his campaign and won't vote for him, but fucking brilliant.

Yup, by and large female voters are going to go against their own personal views and vote for a guy because he has a female VP candidate.

If having a vagina got you the female vote then like 90% of politicians would be female, given that there are more women than men in the country AND women are more likely voters.

In regards to Obama pick of Biden, in my best JK Simmons "Thank You For Smoking" voice:

"I just could not have imagined how you could have fucked this up any worse."

Again you're a retard. Obama's weaknesses were perceived inexperience on foreign policy, youth, and his race. He picks a well-known, good campaigning, foreign policy experienced, older, white guy. Yeah, terrible choice. :/ GTFO.