View Full Version : Next Time New Orleans is Under Water...
redsox39
09-05-2008, 08:58 AM
So...it looks like the city dodged a Bullet with Gustav, which is good. But let's say they are not as "fortunate" next time...and the city get's ass raped again.
Should we rebuild it? Should we Rebuild New Orleans again until it gets fucked again? I mean, we have disasters everywhere, but should we really continue to pour money into a city build under sea level? Just Curious...
redsox39
09-05-2008, 09:21 AM
Damn, really?
Pretty sure a huge % of the Netherlands population lies below sea level. Admittedly New Orleans faces greater weather risks, but good luck actually convincing people to abandon a major American city so *shrug*
redsox39
09-05-2008, 11:18 AM
Pretty sure a huge % of the Netherlands population lies below sea level. Admittedly New Orleans faces greater weather risks, but good luck actually convincing people to abandon a major American city so *shrug*
I agree, but as you look over the histroy of time, many major cities have "moved" due to natural disasters, better defense of the city, the eroding of the coast, etc...
Just funny how they were smart enough to do it then, but we are too stubborn now.
redsox39
09-05-2008, 11:19 AM
and when you say "Major American City"...it has the Population of the Omaha, NE metro area...just saying...
Tar Heel
09-05-2008, 11:23 AM
No one suggested that the people of San Francisco should have moved after the last big earthquake because they live on the san andreas fault.
Tar Heel
09-05-2008, 11:24 AM
I agree, but as you look over the histroy of time, many major cities have "moved" due to natural disasters, better defense of the city, the eroding of the coast, etc...
Just funny how they were smart enough to do it then, but we are too stubborn now.
Name one.
redsox39
09-05-2008, 11:31 AM
Name one.
Jeruslem, Cairo, Lima, even Seattle, but I guess Seattle more spread out and built over the top of the old city.
I am sure that the People of Pompei would have liked to move, lol
I am with you about San Fran, but most of their buildings are made to withstand anything short of the entire ground opening up, and then they are flex anchored so that might not even do it.
I think that it is dumb to have cities there, but there they are. I want to rebuild everytime, including New Orleans...but I know in my heart it is silly. But the heart wants what the heart wants. That was really gay...want to see a picture of my Peen?
Tar Heel
09-05-2008, 11:33 AM
Of course.
The Batman
09-05-2008, 11:33 AM
Its about time we just give up on that place. Its a shithole anyway. and No, I don't want to see your peen. sicko.
Mr. Brown
09-05-2008, 11:42 AM
I think that they should build a new city. It would create jobs and be a chance to restart.
The Batman
09-05-2008, 11:44 AM
I think that they should build a new city. It would create jobs and be a chance to restart.
But, wouldn't this happen all over again? I mean, the city is way beneath sea level and unless we do something like they did in the Neverlands, it will be a problem that will never ever go away.
Morfin
09-05-2008, 11:48 AM
Each city should get one free do-over/rebuild. After that, they are on their own -- no federal, state funds.
Same with those idiots who keep re-building in hurricane spots. Why do I have to keep paying so they get wiped out and move back to the same spot?
Mr. Brown
09-05-2008, 11:49 AM
With that belief though no one should live in southern Fl
redsox39
09-05-2008, 12:32 PM
With that belief though no one should live in southern Fl...
...unless you can do it yourself!
redsox39
09-05-2008, 01:01 PM
Wow, Close Poll!
Claydon
09-05-2008, 01:03 PM
No one suggested that the people of San Francisco should have moved after the last big earthquake because they live on the san andreas fault.
Those types of earthquakes hit one every century or more, hurricanes come every year.
Le Goat
09-05-2008, 01:08 PM
No one suggested that the people of San Francisco should have moved after the last big earthquake because they live on the san andreas fault.
Well the key difference is there's an Annual Season for Hurricane's and NO has a history of getting ass raped. SF could not have known an Earthquake was imminent, nor could anyone else. There's at least a week ahead of time (now) for people to get out and run. Luckily this time it worked, but when you have the full population back in the city and suburbs, you will never really know what to expect from the evacuations. It's not practical to demolish and move a city, it just isnt, but if these fucking Welfare loving faggots keep crying about the govt. not giving them everything they demand (yes, they did it again here in the DFW area), they will eventually stop evacuating and now we have another katrina on our hands.
Soup Nazi
09-05-2008, 01:26 PM
I sincerely doubt that it would be much cheaper to knock down the whole city and build a new one somewhere else, instead of "remodeling it" every X amount of years (hell casino's were open 2 or so days after Gustav).
In any case, we would have to keep some type of presence in that area regardless of if it is a major population center or not. New Orleans is a major economic hub for the US and is essential for our oil production/refining. You know all those off-shore oil platforms in the gulf coast? Try getting those tankers to add several hundred miles to their trips to NEW oil refining facilities which cost billions. That's not even mentioning how difficult it is to replace a Port like New Orleans which is something like top 5 in terms of volume in the nation.
redsox39
09-05-2008, 01:29 PM
I sincerely doubt that it would be much cheaper to knock down the whole city and build a new one somewhere else, instead of "remodeling it" every X amount of years (hell casino's were open 2 or so days after Gustav).
In any case, we would have to keep some type of presence in that area regardless of if it is a major population center or not. New Orleans is a major economic hub for the US and is essential for our oil production/refining. You know all those off-shore oil platforms in the gulf coast? Try getting those tankers to add several hundred miles to their trips to NEW oil refining facilities which cost billions. That's not even mentioning how difficult it is to replace a Port like New Orleans which is something like top 5 in terms of volume in the nation.
agreed. But what about moving the city gradually inland, making rebuilding cheaper with tax break for building in "approved areas" and making people that insist on staying close have insurance that will cover their ass. Move the population center AWAY from the depression area, out of the delta, and maybe uphill a bit more.
JohnQRotten
09-10-2008, 01:57 PM
...add some crawfish and sausage and make gumbo! :p
}{arlequin
09-10-2008, 02:14 PM
if miami moves, it ain't gonna be miami anymore.
leave the fucker alone. where's vampire lestat gonna go if you move it???
They've just brought out a New Orleans Monopoly game.
You play it in the bath.
Menace2Sobriety
09-11-2008, 03:55 AM
No one suggested that the people of San Francisco should have moved after the last big earthquake because they live on the san andreas fault.
When's earthquake season?
MDiver01
09-11-2008, 05:31 AM
I think its July through September.
lce-man
09-11-2008, 06:35 PM
If we can't beat nature, better just move the fuck away.
Jatoza
09-11-2008, 07:34 PM
No one suggested that the people of San Francisco should have moved after the last big earthquake because they live on the san andreas fault.
Lots of people said that. Hell, they even made a movie about that (Volcano). I guess technically that one was LA, but it's the same idea...
redsox39
10-20-2008, 08:36 AM
Lots of people said that. Hell, they even made a movie about that (Volcano). I guess technically that one was LA, but it's the same idea...
That Movie sucked balls!
Hanover Fist
10-20-2008, 09:06 AM
Keep rebuilding the fucker, it gives unemployed Michigan workers a place to find work. I know at least 5 people from my plant that closed that went south after Katrina to work in construction.
redsox39
10-20-2008, 09:12 AM
Keep rebuilding the fucker, it gives unemployed Michigan workers a place to find work. I know at least 5 people from my plant that closed that went south after Katrina to work in construction.
Hell, as long as I am not paying for it...well, fuck, I guess I'd rather rebuild New Orleans than bail out Wall Street...
Banon
10-20-2008, 10:42 AM
You keep on rebuilding New Orleans because it's a city with tons of culture and history, all of which is cherished and valued, and to abandon that is a bigger disgrace than the ignorant question that this poll is about. And a big fuck you to people whom voted otherwise.
New Orleans, Louisiana was founded in 1718 ( 58 years before America was founded ). New Orleans has been hit by several hurricanes, it has burned to the ground, suffered through several plagues and has been rebuilt. The city has gone through 5 different governments and has some of the most interesting and beautiful architecture in the world.
50% of New Orleans is above sea level. If you insist on getting rid of New Orleans, you also have to get rid of Houston, Miami, New York City, San Francisco, and Oklahoma City because of their vulnerability to natural disasters. While we're at it, we might as well get rid of Denver, too, because it just gets too cold there.
However, I personally believe 9th Ward should never, ever, have been built. It's the part of New Orleans you seen on TV that was underwater with tons of low class people looking for hand outs and shooting helicopters. It's the part of Katrina that was made for TV and brought negative attention to the great city that is downtown New Orleans. It's people were the ones shipped to the Superdome and acted uncivilized and expected miracles from the government. Don't judge heritage and culture and the great things about New Orleans with these people. Bring yourself to New Orleans before you make stupid statements and read up on the history of the city.
I would like to see what the reply would be to your topic if you asked if they should build new skyscrapers in New York after what happened on 9/11.
redsox39
10-20-2008, 10:56 AM
Good Points my man (except the other cities...step back to reality)
After 9/11 People were too scared to go to work in Skyscrapers...and no one wanted to build them anymore...it was goofy.
Which is why I posed this question after I felt the Hysteria had died down. New Orleans HAS been rebuilt quite a few times, More times, I would venture, than any other city due to Natural disaster. Granted San Fran was leveled by an earthquake back in the day, London and Chicago burn to the ground. But those are big deals that we still talk about today. New Orleans is almost expected to be destroyed every so often...and it is getting expensive.
I agree that New Orleans has too much history and Flavor to just disappear. But what about that 9th ward and the 50% of the city that is in mortal danger when it rains? Why can't we redesign the city? Why can't build up, or move the dangerous part? And if you don't rebuild the 9th ward, where are the Welfare crowds going to live? It is a very general poll, with not enough "Solutions". But the idea is sound.
Morfin
10-20-2008, 11:02 AM
Good Points my man (except the other cities...step back to reality)
After 9/11 People were too scared to go to work in Skyscrapers...and no one wanted to build them anymore...it was goofy.
Which is why I posed this question after I felt the Hysteria had died down. New Orleans HAS been rebuilt quite a few times, More times, I would venture, than any other city due to Natural disaster. Granted San Fran was leveled by an earthquake back in the day, London and Chicago burn to the ground. But those are big deals that we still talk about today. New Orleans is almost expected to be destroyed every so often...and it is getting expensive.
I agree that New Orleans has too much history and Flavor to just disappear. But what about that 9th ward and the 50% of the city that is in mortal danger when it rains? Why can't we redesign the city? Why can't build up, or move the dangerous part? And if you don't rebuild the 9th ward, where are the Welfare crowds going to live? It is a very general poll, with not enough "Solutions". But the idea is sound.
I, as a taxpayer, don't mind rebuilding New Orleans and other places once in a while. What bugs me is paying to rebuild Florida every other year.
Banon
10-20-2008, 11:32 AM
I agree that New Orleans has too much history and Flavor to just disappear. But what about that 9th ward and the 50% of the city that is in mortal danger when it rains? Why can't we redesign the city? Why can't build up, or move the dangerous part? And if you don't rebuild the 9th ward, where are the Welfare crowds going to live? It is a very general poll, with not enough "Solutions". But the idea is sound.
"Solutions" are in place. Beside Katrina, do you even remember the last time New Orleans needed help for a hurricane? What you and a few others are failing to realize is that New Orleans and even the 9th Ward has survived many hurricanes. It isn't the rain and wind alone that causes the damage and flooding from a hurricane. It all came down to the levees and walls giving out for Katrina. It wasn't until after the storm passed that the levees gave way to the water and flooded lower New Orleans. Hopefully the improvements that the levees have been needing but never were given the money to do so (until after the fact) will hold up for the next one.
billy1980
10-20-2008, 11:37 AM
I say move New Orleans to Chattanooga so I can throw beads at girls and see tits.
Banon
10-20-2008, 11:40 AM
I, as a taxpayer, don't mind rebuilding New Orleans and other places once in a while. What bugs me is paying to rebuild Florida every other year.
Do you as a taxpayer really know if a single cent of your money went to New Orleans or to Florida? Or does all your tax paying money go towards useless organizations about feeding kids in other countries when there is starving kids in America or some other organization like that? I personally would rather my tax paying money be used to help America, be it New Orleans, Florida, New York, San Fran or Galveston.
Morfin
10-20-2008, 11:53 AM
Yes, more than a single cent of my tax money went to New Orleans and Florida. As to Florida, several times in the past 10 years. No, we weren't discussing other countries. No, I would rather help Americans before we help anyone abroad.
The saints need to be rebuilt every few years
Da Raider
10-20-2008, 12:48 PM
"Solutions" are in place. Beside Katrina, do you even remember the last time New Orleans needed help for a hurricane? What you and a few others are failing to realize is that New Orleans and even the 9th Ward has survived many hurricanes. It isn't the rain and wind alone that causes the damage and flooding from a hurricane. It all came down to the levees and walls giving out for Katrina. It wasn't until after the storm passed that the levees gave way to the water and flooded lower New Orleans. Hopefully the improvements that the levees have been needing but never were given the money to do so (until after the fact) will hold up for the next one.
this is the one beef that I have with local and state government in Louisiana. They all knew that the levees were inadequate for decades. And yet, they spent (and pocketed) the money on all kinds of other projects that in hindsight were worthless compared to preserving the city. Yes, the Feds just sat there and watched the city drown, but the Mayor of NO and the Gov of Louisiana are as culpable or even more than the Feds in this case. Everyone knows that politicians in Louisiana tend to be even more corrupt than the national average. Well, it came back and bit them in the ass this time.
Morfin
10-20-2008, 12:52 PM
Willie Stark would never have let this happen. That's fo' sho'.
redsox39
10-20-2008, 12:53 PM
this is the one beef that I have with local and state government in Louisiana. They all knew that the levees were inadequate for decades. And yet, they spent (and pocketed) the money on all kinds of other projects that in hindsight were worthless compared to preserving the city. Yes, the Feds just sat there and watched the city drown, but the Mayor of NO and the Gov of Louisiana are as culpable or even more than the Feds in this case. Everyone knows that politicians in Louisiana tend to be even more corrupt than the national average. Well, it came back and bit them in the ass this time.
It was all part of a sinister plot to rebuild N.O. as a "Chocolate City".
Damn that Willy Wonka...