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Le Goat
09-07-2008, 11:43 AM
TORONTO - Canada's Premier dissolved Parliament on Sunday and called an early election next month in hopes of strengthening his Conservative minority government's hold on power.
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Comrade Premier Stephen Harper's party needs to win an additional 28 seats to have a majority in Parliament. Although he has played down that possibility, polls in recent days indicate his right wing party has a chance to do so.
The Oct. 14 election will be Canada's third ballot in four years.
The Conservatives unseated the Liberal Party in 2006 after nearly 13 years in power, but as a minority government the Conservatives have been forced to rely on opposition lawmakers to pass legislation and adopt budgets.
With Harper signaling in recent weeks that he was leaning toward calling early elections, analysts said the Conservatives had a better shot of winning now than if they waited until being forced by the opposition into a vote later, when the Canadian economy might be worse off.
On Sunday, Harper visited Governor General Michaelle Jean and asked her to dissolve Parliament. The governor general is the representative of Britain's Queen Elizabeth II, who is Canada's head of state, but the position is purely ceremonial and obeys the wishes of the Premier.
"Between now and Oct. 14, Canadians will choose a government to look out for their interests at a time of global economic trouble," Harper said after the meeting.
"They will choose between direction or uncertainty; between common sense or risky experiments; between steadiness or recklessness."
Liberal leader Stephane Dion acknowledged his party faced an uphill battle in the election campaign.
"I love it. I love to be the underdog. I love being underestimated," Dion said.
Harper has said he is running on economic issues and stresses his opposition to an energy tax proposed by the Liberals.
But Robert Bothwell, director of the international relations program at the University of Toronto argued the move was political.
"Harper is going for a majority government. That's really the only issue," he said.
Observers also say Harper wanted a ballot ahead of the U.S. election. Bothwell said if Democrat Barack Obama surges in the next month in the United States, it will help Canada's opposition Liberal party.
"It will be bad for Harper. Canadian politics don't exactly mirror those of the United States but if something happens in the United States it will find an echo in Canada," Bothwell said.
Electoral legislation that Harper helped enact after he came to power in 2006 fixed the date for the next election in October 2009, but a loophole allows the Premier to ask the governor general to dissolve Parliament.
The Conservatives now fill 127 of the 308 seats in Parliament. The Liberals have 95, Bloc Quebecois 48, the New Democrats 30 and the Greens have one seat. Three seats are held by independents, and four are vacant.
Recent polls indicate the Conservatives are leading and have a chance to win a majority.
An Environics Research survey said 38 percent of Canadians would vote for the Conservatives and 28 percent for the Liberals. Some 19 percent backed the New Democrats, 8 percent the Bloc Quebecois and 7 percent the Green party. A total of 2,505 people were surveyed by telephone from Aug. 29 to Sept. 4. The poll had a margin of error of 2 percentage points.
Harper has said he expects an election to produce another minority government, but Bothwell argued that the Premier is saying that because he does not want to stir up Canadians who worry a majority Conservative government would move the country further right with policies similar to those of the U.S. Republican Party.
Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said Saturday that if the Conservatives win the next election, the government will lower personal taxes to make them more competitive with rates in the U.S. over the next few years.
Since becoming Premier, Harper has extended Canada's military mission in Afghanistan. Canada has lost 96 soldiers and as the death toll approaches 100 the mission could become an issue in the campaign.
Harper also pulled Canada out of the Kyoto Protocol, which commits industrialized nations to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
Dion, a former environment minister who named his dog Kyoto, wants to increase taxes on greenhouse gas emitters. Dion has moved his party to the crowded left in Canada by staking his leadership on a "Green Shift" tax plan.
The Conservatives have been targeting Dion's plan in television and radio ads, saying it would kill jobs and drive up energy costs even higher than the current high levels. Dion has said he would offset the higher energy prices by cutting income taxes.
Dion hasn't had much success selling the plan to Canadians, many of whom have viewed him as a weak leader ever since he surprisingly won leadership of the party in late 2006.
Many expect Dion to be removed as leader if he loses the election. The Liberals have traditionally been the party in power in Canada. Analysts say Harper is intent on destroying the Liberal brand and wants to instill conservative values in Canada.
Dion said the election offers a stark choice between his party and the "most Conservative government in our history."
Dion was a part of Canada's Liberal government that opposed the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 and turned down Washington's request to send troops. Harper supported the Iraq war when he was in the opposition.

BIG PIZZLE
09-07-2008, 11:46 AM
I think this is actually quite common in canadian politics.

Le Goat
09-07-2008, 11:48 AM
I'm simply reporting on our communist neighbors news

OTiS
09-07-2008, 11:57 AM
Some old blah, fucking blah. We have 3 choices to chose a leader from and none of them are worth the fucking hassle. Odds are we will end up with a minority government again.

BIG PIZZLE
09-07-2008, 12:13 PM
Parliament > President.

OTiS
09-07-2008, 12:24 PM
True, but when a decision needs to be made on something, if there is only a minority government then nothing happens. It's like the whole government is on vacation for the entire time. It's a huge waste of tax payers money.

Okie Medicvet
09-07-2008, 08:42 PM
It still beats only a two party choice.

Archetype
09-07-2008, 08:47 PM
True, but when a decision needs to be made on something, if there is only a minority government then nothing happens. It's like the whole government is on vacation for the entire time. It's a huge waste of tax payers money.

This is Canada. When do decisions have to be made?

BIG PIZZLE
09-07-2008, 08:51 PM
True, but when a decision needs to be made on something, if there is only a minority government then nothing happens. It's like the whole government is on vacation for the entire time. It's a huge waste of tax payers money.

Minority governments force the parties to work together.

Area Man
09-07-2008, 09:45 PM
it seems like the less the government can do, the less they'll fuck up.

wacker
09-07-2008, 10:03 PM
Harper will win a minority and we will be in the same position 2 years from now, yay!!

OTiS
09-07-2008, 10:36 PM
Minority governments force the parties to work together.
But they don't because they hate each other. Seriously unless they agree down to the last fucking period, nothing gets done.

Oleg
09-07-2008, 11:04 PM
But they don't because they hate each other. Seriously unless they agree down to the last fucking period, nothing gets done.

It's relatively mind-boggling that the best the Liberals could find was Dion, particularly since even a half decent Liberal candidate could roll over Harper at this point.

Face
09-07-2008, 11:10 PM
I'm already seeing campaign signs up on the side of the road... fucking assholes have nothing better to do with their time?

Oleg
09-07-2008, 11:15 PM
I'm already seeing campaign signs up on the side of the road... fucking assholes have nothing better to do with their time?

They haven't done fuck all for the last two years, so why expect them to start now? An absolute waste of an election by a spineless prime minister who is just trying to benefit from the even greater absurdity of his opponents. This country has ridden big oil for lots of years now and in the process has let every other Canadian industry go to complete shit. Harper is most certainly not the man to fix that problem.

Menace2Sobriety
09-08-2008, 12:10 AM
Woah! Holy shit! He called an election in an election year!

Face
09-08-2008, 12:13 AM
amazing

Archetype
09-08-2008, 12:15 AM
An absolute waste of an election by a spineless prime minister who is just trying to benefit from the even greater absurdity of his opponents.

Lulz @ politics.

Morfin
09-08-2008, 09:55 AM
Parliament > President.

It still beats only a two party choice.

Minority governments force the parties to work together.

No. With a parliment, you get multiple parties. With multiple parties, you get extremist, fringe parties. If a minority government has to ally itself with a small party to get a majority, that gives the small party an inordinate amount of power, power that those voting for, say, the minority government did not want to provide. The two-party system -- with its own set of faults -- tempers the potential power of extreme views, forcing them within the two-party system.

Additionally, I, as a taxpayer, would be pissed if I had to pay the expense of what, the third election in four years? This power to call an election whenever you, the ruling party feel it is for your political benefit is unfair. I like our system of regular elections much better.

Oleg
09-08-2008, 10:35 AM
No. With a parliment, you get multiple parties. With multiple parties, you get extremist, fringe parties. If a minority government has to ally itself with a small party to get a majority, that gives the small party an inordinate amount of power, power that those voting for, say, the minority government did not want to provide. The two-party system -- with its own set of faults -- tempers the potential power of extreme views, forcing them within the two-party system.

Additionally, I, as a taxpayer, would be pissed if I had to pay the expense of what, the third election in four years? This power to call an election whenever you, the ruling party feel it is for your political benefit is unfair. I like our system of regular elections much better.

The US system, for whatever flaws it has, is superior to the Canadian system. The result of the third election in four years is going to be yet another powerless minority government.

wacker
09-08-2008, 10:50 AM
But a cynic might say that they prefer a powerless minority because they see both possible governing parties as equally inept and don't want either to be in complete power.

thestronz
09-08-2008, 06:25 PM
But a cynic might say that they prefer a powerless minority because they see both possible governing parties as equally inept and don't want either to be in complete power.

That's as close as anyone's gonna come to expressing my view. Harper is useless and Dion...I can't even put it into words. Do I pick Larry, Curly or Moe?

wacker
09-08-2008, 07:43 PM
I study political science at school and I'm not even going to vote this election. There is no one, in the options that we have, that I want to lead my country.

Harper gets shit done but I disagree with a large portion of what he does and basically, IMO, everything he does do is only for more votes, ie stupid 1% tax breaks and awkward apologies to Aboriginals. While having Dion run this place would be a debacle to the millionth degree.

Archetype
09-08-2008, 07:50 PM
everything he does do is only for more votes,
Lulz @ politics.

OTiS
09-08-2008, 10:55 PM
I study political science at school and I'm not even going to vote this election. There is no one, in the options that we have, that I want to lead my country.

You still have to pick the best of the worst though. You can always toss you vote out by picking two candidates. At least you voted even though it doesn't count. It's supposed to tell the idiots that you are dissatisfied with any of the choices.

thestronz
09-08-2008, 11:15 PM
You still have to pick the best of the worst though. You can always toss you vote out by picking two candidates. At least you voted even though it doesn't count. It's supposed to tell the idiots that you are dissatisfied with any of the choices.

What happens when there is no best of the worst and all you have is utter shit across the board?

wacker
09-08-2008, 11:17 PM
That's what I often do to my ballots, just spoil them so no one gets me vote.

Face
09-08-2008, 11:49 PM
I fucking hate people who say that if you don't vote, you can't bitch

mother fucker, I pay my taxes, that gives me the right to bitch all I fucking want

Das Kahlua
09-09-2008, 12:06 AM
I fucking hate people who say that if you don't vote, you can't bitch

mother fucker, I pay my taxes, that gives me the right to bitch all I fucking want

Thank you, George Carlin.

thestronz
09-09-2008, 12:08 AM
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Face
09-09-2008, 12:11 AM
Thank you, George Carlin.
fuck you

Deadhead Derek
09-09-2008, 02:01 AM
ok, guys, lets get some perspective..we are talking about canada here... what woulda different parliament do.. change the flavor of maple syrup and Labatts? bfd

Face
09-09-2008, 02:02 AM
our last few parliaments couldn't even get that done

Deadhead Derek
09-09-2008, 02:04 AM
quo erat demonstratum

Face
09-09-2008, 02:08 AM
*Quod erat demonstrandum

Deadhead Derek
09-09-2008, 02:12 AM
whatevah, I do what I like

Face
09-09-2008, 02:13 AM
so you like making spelling errors and looking like a jackass?

Deadhead Derek
09-09-2008, 02:18 AM
if i like,yeah..

Deadhead Derek
09-09-2008, 02:19 AM
cuz I'm an American,dammit. so. shut it and eat bacon you canuckster

Face
09-09-2008, 02:23 AM
alright I will!

Face
09-09-2008, 02:23 AM
more like dickhead derek

!!!

edit:
!!!!

Diesel
09-09-2008, 10:04 AM
I agree with you guys, these elections are becoming a real pain in the ass. I see Harper as the only logical choice for PM because look at who he's running against. Dion... what a useless politician. This guy should have never been named leader of the Liberals. They should have just kept him as an MP and that's it. Then there's Layton another worthless idiot that will win a few seats here and there.

Don't get me started on the Bloc Quebecois... why they allow to make a party run in only one province baffles me, and they don't even think about the whole of Canada, just Quebec's interest!!

papillon
09-09-2008, 10:17 AM
New site launched to pitch Dion as an actual human with family, etc.
http://thisisdion.ca/

As bland as he is, the Liberals have a better track record than the Conservatives imo -- Even with the sponsorship scandal. I'd never vote Conservative.

OTiS
09-09-2008, 01:22 PM
cuz I'm an American,dammit. so. shut it and eat bacon you canuckster
Bacon for some and tiny Canadian flags for others!

OTiS
09-09-2008, 01:24 PM
I also find it funny how no one has noticed that the title is completely incorrect. It should be Prime Minister, not Premier.

thestronz
09-09-2008, 02:15 PM
New site launched to pitch Dion as an actual human with family, etc.
http://thisisdion.ca/

As bland as he is, the Liberals have a better track record than the Conservatives imo -- Even with the sponsorship scandal. I'd never vote Conservative.

Any remote possibility of getting my vote just died with that shitty website

wacker
09-09-2008, 02:37 PM
I like how there is a Dion & Hockey link.