Teen hired pair to kill his mom for money

[Bastard]

Son allegedly sought cash to pay for breast implants for his girlfriend

FOUNTAIN, Colo. - A Colorado teenager hired men to kill his mother so he could use her money to get breast implants for his girlfriend, police said.
Nikita Lee Weis, 18, was arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to commit first-degree murder, said Fountain Deputy Police Chief Mike Barnett.
His girlfriend, Sophia Nicole Alsept, and two men police said he hired, Juan Antonio Velez Gonzalez, 18, and Brandon Michael Soroka, 19, were arrested on the same charge.
Weis' mother, Hyun Weis, was attacked Thursday with a small wooden baseball bat at her home but escaped, authorities said. She was released Friday from a hospital.

Barnett said Weis wanted to sell his mother's car and use money in her bank accounts to pay for breast implants for Alsept, 21.
Barnett also said the suspects discussed wrapping Hyun Weis' body in plastic and dumping it in the desert in New Mexico or Arizona.
All were being held on $50,000 bail. Officials did not know whether they had attorneys and said they couldn't get messages to them.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26909974/

Why didn’t he just dump that girl and find a chick with large tits? Crazy kids.

[Archangel]

Yeah, Hollywood is certainly having a great effect on your society.
Murdering one's mother for fake fucking tits: How do you think other societies think of you when you call them "uncultured" and "barbaric"? Because, trust me, this couldn't happen anywhere else.

[Daydreamer]

Probably the same way they think of Germans that call them uncultured or barbaric or other things.

Sorry Arch, I agree with you about American youth being way too influenced by pop culture crap, but your remark made me laugh.

[Okie Medicvet]

ah, kids these days, and the crazy things they do!

[Archangel]

Dunno, I might have gone overboard, but I think my point is valid.

You see, while I definitely don't condone it, I can understand why people like, say, Muslim terrorists, would kill for political or religious ideals, as perverted as they might be. And Western society, America included, rightly looks at those people who bomb embassies and murder schoolchildren as barbarians, and go on missions to bring freedom and our values to them.

But how does it look like to them when they see something like this? How the people who try to tell them how to live and think are acting?
How empty do you have to be, how utterly devoid of values, to murder your own family for something as phenomenally inconsequential as fake tits? What did they think, that those implants were all that stood between them and a segment on The Fabulous Life or one of those other ghastly shows that extol greed and idiocy as the paramount values of society? This is something that I can never even begin to comprehend. Is getting on television the only thing American kids care about anymore?

I am not saying that this is representative of American society at large. I know it isn't. But how your youth is filling the intellectual emptiness caused by an inadequate education system and apathetic parents (not to mention a corporate media only interested in dumb, compliant consumers) is starting to get a mite worrisome. Representative? Definitely not. Symptomatic? Possibly.

[Bill Paxton]

I tried to kill my parents so I could buy hungry hungry hippos as a kid, so I see where this kid is coming from.

[Okie Medicvet]

Yes, because it's so much better to kill because it is cultural and religious in nature than out of just plain greed.

Okay, but I really do agree with you though, what the hell is it in our collective psyche that makes this an 'only in America' moment? I mean, at least in other places they do it for the love of God, whereas here, a bunch of kids write notes to each other, and say, hey, I've got an idea, let's make a suicide pact, and the other one sends a note back saying yes lets but then only one of the group that actually does it is one girl so I guess the jokes on her, lolz!

Seriously tho, can't we get the bomb users and the idiots together in one place and let them blow each other up but leave us the fuck alone?

[Archangel]

No, I understand plain greed. I understand why you would murder someone for a million dollars, or a Ferrari, or a large amount of drugs. I wouldn't do it, but I can see why someone could.

That's simple materialism, and it's gonna be there forever because it's a part of human nature. But how fucking breast implants can become the centre of the existence of two people to the point where they contemplate fucking murdering people, I have no idea. I mean, what the hell are those fake tits gonna do for you? The only thing I can think of is that they thought that once she got them (funny how they never think that there might be consequences), she'd become a celebrity or something.

[Okie Medicvet]

That's just a combination of greed and someone who wants to fucking try and be young forever. It ain't going to happen tho. You could be ninety with perky tits and still all you are is ninety with perky tits.

Makes me wish for the good old days when you would kill someone with ugly tits just to be with someone with good tits.

[Daydreamer]

I'd never kill anyone over a set of fake boobs, but for a really nice pair of natural ones....oh yeah, I'd do it, maybe not Mom, but one of you guys. I'd kill ya in a heartbeat for one night with Anne Hathaway's tits.

[Archangel]

Dunno, maybe it's 'cause the missus has got a natural set of D's...


Oh, and fuck "one of you", I'd murder the bloody lot of you for one night with Ms Hathaway's puppies.

[Genius]

Dunno, I might have gone overboard, but I think my point is valid.

You see, while I definitely don't condone it, I can understand why people like, say, Muslim terrorists, would kill for political or religious ideals, as perverted as they might be. And Western society, America included, rightly looks at those people who bomb embassies and murder schoolchildren as barbarians, and go on missions to bring freedom and our values to them.

But how does it look like to them when they see something like this? How the people who try to tell them how to live and think are acting?
How empty do you have to be, how utterly devoid of values, to murder your own family for something as phenomenally inconsequential as fake tits? What did they think, that those implants were all that stood between them and a segment on The Fabulous Life or one of those other ghastly shows that extol greed and idiocy as the paramount values of society? This is something that I can never even begin to comprehend. Is getting on television the only thing American kids care about anymore?

I am not saying that this is representative of American society at large. I know it isn't. But how your youth is filling the intellectual emptiness caused by an inadequate education system and apathetic parents (not to mention a corporate media only interested in dumb, compliant consumers) is starting to get a mite worrisome. Representative? Definitely not. Symptomatic? Possibly.
Careful, careful. Morally corrupt cultural values are one of our leading exports. It just takes a few years to really take hold, then your teens will be just as fucked up. Besides, I've seen the types of shit (literally) that you Germans and the Japanese do in pornos. It's not like we've got the market of depravity cornered.

[Kerjack]

Yeah, Hollywood is certainly having a great effect on your society.

Everything Bad Is Good For You (http://www.amazon.com/Everything-Bad-Good-Steven-Johnson/dp/B000SOTQB2/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1222536295&sr=8-1)

[Archangel]

Everything Bad Is Good For You (http://www.amazon.com/Everything-Bad-Good-Steven-Johnson/dp/B000SOTQB2/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1222536295&sr=8-1)

I don't think video games and Fear Factor are bad for you. However, I think that the notion that you HAVE to be on television, that celebrity is the only worthwhile pursuit in life, will be one of the death blows to Western civilisation.

[BIG PIZZLE]

Yeah, Hollywood is certainly having a great effect on your society.
Murdering one's mother for fake fucking tits: How do you think other societies think of you when you call them "uncultured" and "barbaric"? Because, trust me, this couldn't happen anywhere else.

Well except for Colorado.

[Charlatan]

Yeah, Hollywood is certainly having a great effect on your society.
Murdering one's mother for fake fucking tits: How do you think other societies think of you when you call them "uncultured" and "barbaric"? Because, trust me, this couldn't happen anywhere else.I wish I could just laugh that off like Daydreamer. Struck me as more obnoxious than funny.

Dunno, I might have gone overboard, but I think my point is valid.Overboard is one way of putting it. There's no question that murdering for the sake of breast implants is beyond ridiculous. However, for you to say that it's worse than murdering for a nice car or for religious beliefs and, even worse, to claim that something just as bad hasn't ever happened in the past and won't ever happen in the future in Germany, or Korea, or anywhere else in the world besides America, makes it extremely difficult to see you as anything more than a bigot.

I don't think you genuinely mean most of the more sensational things you say (I really hope you don't), but you make it really hard for people to think of you as intelligent sometimes.

[Will-Kill]

''I'd kill for those tits'' just got real.
I'm going to guess the father isn't around, a father would explain the price for tits can be too high.

[Archetype]

Careful, careful. Morally corrupt cultural values are one of our leading exports. It just takes a few years to really take hold, then your teens will be just as fucked up. Besides, I've seen the types of shit (literally) that you Germans and the Japanese do in pornos. It's not like we've got the market of depravity cornered.
But that's porn.

[Insomniac]

Arch, you had someone in your country put out an ad to eat someone and another person agree to be eaten for mutual sexual pleasure. So you can shut the fuck up.

[Archangel]

I wish I could just laugh that off like Daydreamer. Struck me as more obnoxious than funny.

Overboard is one way of putting it. There's no question that murdering for the sake of breast implants is beyond ridiculous. However, for you to say that it's worse than murdering for a nice car or for religious beliefs and, even worse, to claim that something just as bad hasn't ever happened in the past and won't ever happen in the future in Germany, or Korea, or anywhere else in the world besides America, makes it extremely difficult to see you as anything more than a bigot.

I don't think you genuinely mean most of the more sensational things you say (I really hope you don't), but you make it really hard for people to think of you as intelligent sometimes.

No it doesn't.

And I never said that it's WORSE. I'm the unintelligent here? Fucking read what I say. I said that I could COMPREHEND, if not condone, killing your fellow man for large sums of cash, or misguided idealism. There's no "worse" form of murder. Dead is fucking dead.

Arch, you had someone in your country put out an ad to eat someone and another person agree to be eaten for mutual sexual pleasure. So you can shut the fuck up.

I never said that nothing happens in other countries that is beyond the pale. I never said that we're sicko-free. Hell, we had a woman here who gave birth to like nine children whom she let starve and then buried in her back yard. She'd be a poster child for the Right to Life movement, btw.

There are murderous bastards and sick perverts in every country. Seriously, guys, un-twist your knickers here.

All I'm saying is that America is the only country in the world I can think of where teenagers would murder their parents over FUCKING BREAST IMPLANTS. It's the only country so hung up on media-induced superficialities that fake tits can become the centre of someone's life to the point of contemplating murder.
It's the unholy alliance between beauty ideals run amok, celebrity craze, sense of entitlement, propensity for violence and intellectual emptiness of young people that can only be found there. Other people are just as morally and intellectually bankrupt, but the last thing some illiterate peasant killing people for Al Qaeda thinks about is cosmetic fucking surgery.

Again: I never said that murders could only happen in the US. I never said that gruesome murders could only happen in the US. I never said that gruesome murders for twisted reasons could only happen in the US. But trust me, every non-American in the world, upon reading this, thought that THIS SPECIFIC INCIDENT could only happen in the US. Just like somebody murdering their sister for dating a man with a job could only happen among Muslim immigrants in Europe.

[Archangel]

Case in point:


http://forum.gorillamask.net/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif Teen hired pair to kill... (http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?p=141761#post141761) 09-27-2008 08:07 PM fuldstændigamok (http://forum.gorillamask.net/member.php?u=19) Overboard? No, no you weren\t. This could ONLY happen over there.


Note that he says "this", not "something vaguely akin to this".

[Bastard]

Let’s try a new perspective. I’m sure this was just a case of sensationalism. I really doubt that the fake tits were the sole reason that prompted this. If I were to speculate, it was probably a kid who didn’t like living under his mom’s rules, and he thought by getting rid of her while getting some money, he would be able to stay out late, eat macaroni everyday, smoke a bowl, or basically do whatever the hell he wanted to do. He probably promised his girl new clothes, jewelry, some new tits and maybe a kitten. Like you have said, murder is murder and whether a killer is motivated by lust, greed, resentment or the neighbors dog that talks to them, the victims are still just as dead. The truly sad part is that in today’s society, people trying or actually killing off their family or anyone, is so commonplace that they need to add a unique angle to grab headlines or ratings.

[Insomniac]

No, Arch, you've just got the answer already and you wait to support your conclusion with stuff like this. That's what I'm saying. You say Hollywood has negatively affected culture, and you'd be saying it whether or not this murder happened. But since the murder happened, you interpret it as illustrative. And that's bollocks.

Stupid shit happens everywhere. But if a guy murders his father for money for penis enlargement in Switzerland, does that really reflect on the Swiss? It does if you think the Switzerland has cock envy of the rest of Europe. Otherwise not.

That's why a case of consensual cannibalism doesn't say anything about Germany. It reflects on the fact that the Internet allows that situation to take place, I suppose, in the same way fake tits are necessary for a murder for them, but does it reflect on German society?

It couldn't happen in Somalia, maybe, but a man will kill his mother for any excuse in any country.

[Archangel]

Switzerland isn't associated with penis enlargement; however, you honestly cannot say that fake tits aren't somewhat representative of American culture. If Germany had cannibals on every TV show, in every magazine, on every billboard and in every music video, you could rightfully say that a murder involving anthropophagy would be typically German.


And yes, I know that Pamela Anderson is Canadian and that Katie Price is British.

[riseabove!]

In all fairness her tits were really small.

[DeMartini Sands]

I tried to kill my parents so I could buy hungry hungry hippos as a kid, so I see where this kid is coming from.


LOL....:D

[Charlatan]

Arch, all I'm saying is that it's meaningless to make these sweeping generalizations you're so fond of. I was born and raised in this country. I live here currently, and I don't particularly plan on moving from America to another country at any point in my life. Does that really tell you anything about the kind of person I am? I don't like fake tits, or even big, natural ones. So much for your theory.

Everybody's guilty of making generalizations to an extent, myself included. It's a coping mechanism people use to deal with the insane amount of information we're constantly exposed to. You just do it a lot, in a really condescending manner, and it makes it difficult for me to take you seriously.

Things like nationality and ethnic background effect us as much as we let it. The only way to judge people is by their individual merits, on a case-by-case basis. Anything else is worthless and just serves to make you look like an asshole.

[Archangel]

Goddammit, you're so fucking on the defensive and blinded by jingoism that you don't hear what I'm actually saying. You see "America" in a post of mine, and off to the trenches it is. Oooh, the arrogant generalising Eurosnob is lookin' down on us hard-workin' American folk again.

I didn't say that all Americans are like this. I didn't say that this is representative of American society at large. All I did say was that this could only happen in America, just like a suicide bomber blowing up a wedding party could only happen with Muslims, or an entire stadium singing racist chants against black footballers is most likely to happen in Spain. This is not to say that all Muslims are suicide bombers or that all Spaniards are racist numbskulls, just as I never said that all Americans are murderous, intellectually empty imbeciles who would kill their mother to get their airhead birds a pair of fake tits.

However, when something like this happens, chances are, it's happened in the US. Deny it all you want, but the fucking likelihood of this happening in America simply is far higher than in Africa, Asia or Europe. And you jumping to reply to my every post with accusations of generalisation, when I explicitly have stated that such is not my intention, is making you look a little, well, touchy.

[Charlatan]

Goddammit, you're so fucking on the defensive and blinded by jingoism that you don't hear what I'm actually saying. You see "America" in a post of mine, and off to the trenches it is. Oooh, the arrogant generalising Eurosnob is lookin' down on us hard-workin' American folk again.

I didn't say that all Americans are like this. I didn't say that this is representative of American society at large. All I did say was that this could only happen in America, just like a suicide bomber blowing up a wedding party could only happen with Muslims, or an entire stadium singing racist chants against black footballers is most likely to happen in Spain. This is not to say that all Muslims are suicide bombers or that all Spaniards are racist numbskulls, just as I never said that all Americans are murderous, intellectually empty imbeciles who would kill their mother to get their airhead birds a pair of fake tits.

However, when something like this happens, chances are, it's happened in the US. Deny it all you want, but the fucking likelihood of this happening in America simply is far higher than in Africa, Asia or Europe. And you jumping to reply to my every post with accusations of generalisation, when I explicitly have stated that such is not my intention, is making you look a little, well, touchy.Jingoism? Really? What gave you the idea that I'm even patriotic at all? You're only illustrating my point further by accusing me of rabid nationalism, jumping to that conclusion based on what little you know about me, which is that I'm an American. Touchy isn't the word to describe my reaction. It would be more accurate to say that I'm disappointed and mildly offended.

Yeah, Hollywood is certainly having a great effect on your society.
Murdering one's mother for fake fucking tits: How do you think other societies think of you when you call them "uncultured" and "barbaric"? Because, trust me, this couldn't happen anywhere else.That's an inflammatory post. There's no other way to describe it.

[ElvisWong]

Probably the same way they think of Germans that call them uncultured or barbaric or other things.

Sorry Arch, I agree with you about American youth being way too influenced by pop culture crap, but your remark made me laugh.


I agree with your comment.

[Archangel]

That was an initial reaction, which I later (in the next fucking post) called somewhat overblown. I explained myself in the subsequent posts, calmly and rationally, I think.

And thanks for not reacting to any of the points I made, by the way. Way to prove me wrong there.

[Archangel]

My point being: This crime, as it happened in this specific case, is far more likely to have occurred in the United States than in any other country.


Tell me I'm wrong.

[Pax Britannia]

If my kid ever wanted to have me killed he/she would have to try a little harder than hiring some kids with baseball bats.

[Archangel]

Cricket bats, maybe?

[Pax Britannia]

That would be much more civilised.

[UNC]

It takes football bats to kill queers

[Pax Britannia]

It takes football bats to kill queers
Too much effort. A bullet is quicker.

Arch might be able to hook us up with some gas though.

[Insomniac]

My point being: This crime, as it happened in this specific case, is far more likely to have occurred in the United States than in any other country.


Tell me I'm wrong.

Because we have breast implants, and probably do the most of them. Sure. But you're telling me you'd be shocked if an Arab in France did the same thing? Because I wouldn't.

[Charlatan]

My point being: This crime, as it happened in this specific case, is far more likely to have occurred in the United States than in any other country.


Tell me I'm wrong.So, since I'm an American, I'm more likely to kill my mom with a bat for the sake of breast implants?

You're wrong.

This is an isolated case, a set of bizarre, extreme circumstances. It would be just as ridiculous for me to say that you, living in Germany, are more likely to let Armin Meiwes bite off your dick and try to eat it with him. If you'll say that you are indeed more likely to do that just because of your nationality, then I'll drop it. I just doubt you're being consistent.

Your problem is that you assume what's portrayed in the media is a fair representation of the collective mindset of the 300 million people living in this country.

[Archangel]

Because we have breast implants, and probably do the most of them. Sure. But you're telling me you'd be shocked if an Arab in France did the same thing? Because I wouldn't.

I would. Because Arabs in France aren't bombarded with images of millionaire fake-titted airheads every day.



So, since I'm an American, I'm more likely to kill my mom with a bat for the sake of breast implants?

You're wrong.

This is an isolated case, a set of bizarre, extreme circumstances. It would be just as ridiculous for me to say that you, living in Germany, are more likely to let Armin Meiwes bite off your dick and try to eat it with him. If you'll say that you are indeed more likely to do that just because of your nationality, then I'll drop it. I just doubt you're being consistent.

Your problem is that you assume what's portrayed in the media is a fair representation of the collective mindset of the 300 million people living in this country.

Both your reading comprehension and your discussion skills leave a lot to be desired. If you're gonna twist my words around, do it more skilfully.

For the fourth time: No, YOU, as a person, are not more likely to murder your parents to get breast implant money. No, not all Americans are like this moron. No, I don't think that all Americans are affected by the media in such an extreme manner. Do you want me to repeat it again? Because at this point, I'll just use the quote function from now on.

Speaking of which:


It's the unholy alliance between beauty ideals run amok, celebrity craze, sense of entitlement, propensity for violence and intellectual emptiness of young people that can only be found there. Other people are just as morally and intellectually bankrupt, but the last thing some illiterate peasant killing people for Al Qaeda thinks about is cosmetic fucking surgery.

I know that this is an isolated case, just like people shooting at embassies in Yemen is an isolated case: However, said particular case is far more likely to occur in a certain part of the world than in others. Americans don't shoot at embassies, and Yemenites don't particularly care for fake tits. These are simple facts. How is this condescending, generalising, or in any way offensive? If a bunch of neo-nazi skinheads beat up some immigrants, chances are that the fact occurred in Germany. If football hooligans stab each other to death, everybody thinks "England". Fucking deal with it. If you made a list with the aforementioned crimes, and asked people to link these to the countries where they are most likely to have happened, 90% of people will choose correctly.

Also, condescension. Lovely. Because all I know about the US is from MTV, right? It's not like I lived in America for quite some time or anything. Have you seen enough of the rest of the world to confidently say that this were just as likely to happen in, say, China or Egypt?

It's not my fault that "fake tits" are one of the things the rest of the world (and quite a few Americans themselves) associate with America. But it is frankly ludicrous to say that they do so for no reason.


I'm eagerly awaiting your next post in which you accuse me of saying that all Americans are silicone-crazed brain-dead matricidal imbeciles.

[UNC]

I agree with Arch.

These other countries don't care about tits as much as we do.

[Pax Britannia]

all Americans are silicone-crazed brain-dead matricidal imbeciles.

Leave Goat out of this.

[Archangel]

Also, fake tits done right.


http://www.feedfinder.net/you_sexy_thing/media/g/giorgia_palmas_002_500x757.jpghttp://www.elenasantarelli.org/pictures/Elena%20Santarelli%206.jpg

[Charlatan]

You're using words blindly. What exactly do you think it means to say that this is more likely to happen in America? It means that individual Americans, like myself, are more likely to murder for fake tits than individuals from other countries. You can't really spin it any other way.

[Archangel]

And you're getting on my bloody nerves. Is there a point to this, or are you arguing just for argument's sake?

[hatepoppy]

really, this could have happened anywhere. that these two peoples's fucked-up'dedness manifested itself by making them kill for tits is irrelevant.

sure, it was the tits because of societal stimuli, but what does that matter, really? are you suggesting there are no pairs of crazy fucks in europe? what does it matter if they killed her to buy tits, or buy a mercedes, or fucking eat her?

your point just seems a bit contrived - you feel americans are paradoxically conservative, and think that's a bit disturbing or dangerous, so when you saw this story, you kindof stretched the circumstances to fit your rant of the day.

am i too far off base, really?

[Archangel]

are you suggesting there are no pairs of crazy fucks in europe?

There are murderous bastards and sick perverts in every country.

Let the quoting begin.

[Charlatan]

My point is that the way you react to things like this news article only gets in the way of rational discourse. Your first reply was deliberately inflammatory, whether you did it consciously or subconsciously, and if anybody in this thread is touchy, it's you.

[Okie Medicvet]

Too much effort. A bullet is quicker.

Arch might be able to hook us up with some gas though.


Zyklon B?

[Archangel]

My point is that the way you react to things like this news article only gets in the way of rational discourse. Your first reply was deliberately inflammatory, whether you did it consciously or subconsciously, and if anybody in this thread is touchy, it's you.

And my point is that rational discourse and you aren't exactly on speaking terms.

[Fuh Q]

I've read some crazy things but damn, I cant believe someone would do such a thing. Were fake boobs really that important to him? I think its worse for the mother, because now she has to live her life knowing the son she gave birth to and nurtured, raised and loved, would kill her for a few lumps of silicon. Thats gotta be a horrible feeling. I would have just let the thugs kill me.