How do you feel about the thought of Vice President Palin?

[Archangel]

Sure. But this is like letting Michael Jordan in the NBA when he was 13. I mean, there's a difference between "rookie" and "n00b".
Ahem.
Palin's experience as governor of Alaska qualifies her to be on the world stage about as much as her success in HS basketball in Alaska qualifies her to be the starting point guard for the Washington Wizards.
Sure, you can learn on the job. But the problem here is the responsibility you're asked to shoulder from day one.

[Pharon]

Right. Because when I think of Michael Jordan, I definitely think of the Washington Wizards.

[Archangel]

Right. Because when I think of Michael Jordan, I definitely think of the Washington Wizards.

Kwame Brown does.

[Archangel]

I still can't figure out how calling out an ignorant hick on her ignorance can be spun into "the liberal élitist media's assault" on someone, especially if that someone aspires to high public office.

Seriously, if McCain had picked a functional illiterate to be his running mate, would the newspapers not be allowed to mention that tiny little detail, lest they be accused of malicious slander? What the fuck.

[Mustard]

Yeah, but McCain didn't choose George W. Bush...

[Archangel]

I'm pretty sure Mr Bush can read and write. It's the thinking part I'm rather less sure about.

[Soup Nazi]

I still can't figure out how calling out an ignorant hick on her ignorance can be spun into "the liberal élitist media's assault" on someone, especially if that someone aspires to high public office.

Seriously, if McCain had picked a functional illiterate to be his running mate, would the newspapers not be allowed to mention that tiny little detail, lest they be accused of malicious slander? What the fuck.

You sir, are an elitist and cannot be trusted.

[Pharon]

Seriously, if McCain had picked a functional illiterate to be his running mate
If?

[Mustard]

I'm pretty sure Mr Bush can read and write. It's the thinking part I'm rather less sure about.
You just couldn't go with the joke, could you?

[heelsguy]

Sure. But this is like letting Michael Jordan in the NBA when he was 13. I mean, there's a difference between "rookie" and "n00b".


ok..taking your example, being governor of alaska with a 90% approval rating might be equivalent to be an all-conference point guard in a d-II college....what? they can't get signed as a free agent in the NBA if a GM likes the upside?

[Genius]

I wish I was part of the New York liberal elite...

:(

[Yelram]

And why can't there be an adult section in the library? The ONLY books that I think are justifiably banned are those describing homemade bombs and how to make them with household supplies. You accuse the "taking away freedoms" people of being overly sensitive, but there's something else entirely going on here. Who is overly sensitive, the person defending a right to any and all literature, or the person afraid to have a picture of a penis or vagina in a library? Common sense? Common sense would dictate that we not hide our sexuality away from everyone like it doesn't exist. Common sense would dictate that a TV station not get fined $277,000 for accidentally showing a partially covered nipple. Common sense would dictate that the true danger is NOT providing the public the means to broaden their horizons and better understand themselves, because of some fabricated American/Puritan ethic that at best exists in the minds of a few holier-than-thou Bible thumpers that have enough skeletons of their own to cover up, at worst never really existed at all.
BLA BLA BLA Come fucking on. Theres some books that shouldnt be in libraries, they arent "banned", they just arent supplied to the general populace using tax dollars.

[Archangel]

You sir, are an elitist and cannot be trusted.
And damned proud of it, too.
If?
Well yeah. Good point.
ok..taking your example, being governor of alaska with a 90% approval rating might be equivalent to be an all-conference point guard in a d-II college....what? they can't get signed as a free agent in the NBA if a GM likes the upside?
Bad comparison. More like being the most popular athlete on the high school short bus team. In a podunk backwater town. BLA BLA BLA Come fucking on. Theres some books that shouldnt be in libraries, they arent "banned", they just arent supplied to the general populace using tax dollars.
Yes, but that should be the general populace's decision, not the result of one person's 19th-century belief set.

[Archangel]

Also, somebody explain to me why certain books, except those already mentioned about building bombs and such, shouldn't be in a public library. Oooooh, bad books about sex. What the fuck? I wouldn't let a 9-year old read Tom Clancy books, either, but if an adult wants a book on how to better pleasure his partner, then why the hell shouldn't such a book be in the library, as long as it's only handed out to adults? And even if a kid gets his/her hands on it, what's the fucking harm? That they'll run home and go down on their siblings (hell, being Alaska...)? "Oh my God, little Hunter or Kaycee has seen a penis in a book", Fucking hell, here, we have sex ed books with pictures of naked people in them in elementary school libraries, and last I checked, we weren't all rapists or child molesters.

Seriously, why do some of you guys hate sex so much?

[Blue]

You can get those types of books in Australian libraries.

[Archangel]

You can get those types of books in Australian libraries.

Yeah, but when Britain sent her criminals to your country, all the puritans had already fucked off to America.

[heelsguy]

getting back to the title of this thread:


I feel the McCain team has utterly blundered this whole deal with Palin. To let her sit down with charlie gibson and then for an hour with katie couric (and then to let CBS slice and dice it over several nights) was a true disservice to Palin. The McCain campaign should have stipulated to CBS "yes, she will sit down with you, but you have 24 hours to use it".

I feel she should have gone on talk shows and friendly cable news shows first to get her "sea legs" and build her skills and hone her answers. Now it is all up to her to save herself. She lost so much ground just in that CBS interview.

Frankly, I am rooting like hell for her to knock it out of the park tonight. It is not even a republican thing, it is an underdog thing.

[kid_vidrio]

getting back to the title of this thread:


I feel the McCain team has utterly blundered this whole deal with Palin.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/sarah-palin-pol.html

Funny take on all that.

[VoxAngelikus]

I've been thinking it over, and I'll vote McCain/Palin but only if Palin releases a video of a Great Dane fucking her while someone takes a sloppy shit on her face!

[freegood]

getting back to the title of this thread:


I feel the McCain team has utterly blundered this whole deal with Palin. To let her sit down with charlie gibson and then for an hour with katie couric (and then to let CBS slice and dice it over several nights) was a true disservice to Palin. The McCain campaign should have stipulated to CBS "yes, she will sit down with you, but you have 24 hours to use it".

I feel she should have gone on talk shows and friendly cable news shows first to get her "sea legs" and build her skills and hone her answers. Now it is all up to her to save herself. She lost so much ground just in that CBS interview.

Frankly, I am rooting like hell for her to knock it out of the park tonight. It is not even a republican thing, it is an underdog thing.

What did you think of her interview with Hugh Hewitt or Hannity?

[The Batman]

BLA BLA BLA Come fucking on. Theres some books that shouldnt be in libraries, they arent "banned", they just arent supplied to the general populace using tax dollars.

And why shouldn't some books be in libraries? Why should the 1st amendement be thrown out?

[Smokestack]

I've been thinking it over, and I'll vote McCain/Palin but only if Palin releases a video of a Great Dane fucking her while someone takes a sloppy shit on her face!

Certainly a thinking man's choice.

[Axel]

Country First!
which one?

ZwvPNXYrIyI

With McCain's campaign emphasizing patriotism -- his latest slogan is "Country First" -- the Palins' links to a party founded by the late secessionist gold miner Joe Vogler could prove awkward.

"I'm an Alaskan, not an American," Vogler is quoted as saying elsewhere on the party’s website (http://www.akip.org/introduction.html). "I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-aip3-2008sep03,0,6399468.story

Seriously, the idea of selling Alaska back to Russia doesn’t sound that bad, does it?

[Da Raider]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/sarah-palin-pol.html

Funny take on all that.

LA Times, losing subscribers enmasse since 2002...

[Pharon]

From the bailout thread:

You ignore, however, that Bush decided to keep his tax cuts in place while drastically increasing military spending, which was the economic equivalent of Sarah Palin's Supreme Court answer in the Katie Couric interview.
I hadn't seen this yet, so I did a search. Listening to her answer was painful. Christ, I could come up with at least a half-dozen Supreme Court decisions that I disagree with (Butler, Kelo, Raich, etc.) -- is it unreasonable for me to have at least that same expectation from the Vice President of the United States?

Here's the compare/contrast of the same Couric Q&A between Biden and Palin. Just a taste of what to expect this evening:

jBt0r9Exv2I

By the way, Biden's justification for the womens' abuse law he was trying to pass -- that it somehow fell under the perview of interstate commerce (doesn't everything, these days?) -- is completely asinine. But at least it's a coherent argument.

[fuldstændigamok]

Country First!
which one?

ZwvPNXYrIyI


http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-aip3-2008sep03,0,6399468.story

Seriously, the idea of selling Alaska back to Russia doesn’t sound that bad, does it?

Well at least, now, we are sure that she can read, that/s a hell of an improvement.

[Debo]

From the bailout thread:


I hadn't seen this yet, so I did a search. Listening to her answer was painful. Christ, I could come up with at least a half-dozen Supreme Court decisions that I disagree with (Butler, Kelo, Raich, etc.) -- is it unreasonable for me to have at least that same expectation from the Vice President of the United States?

Here's the compare/contrast of the same Couric Q&A between Biden and Palin. Just a taste of what to expect this evening:

jBt0r9Exv2I

By the way, Biden's justification for the womens' abuse law he was trying to pass -- that it somehow fell under the perview of interstate commerce (doesn't everything, these days?) -- is completely asinine. But at least it's a coherent argument.

Palin isn't a lawyer and Biden is a lawyer. It isn't her job to know about supreme court cases.

My point is that lawyers know about supreme court cases. Doctors know about medicine. Navy S.E.A.L.s know how to cause chaos and kill people. Why should our politicians be expected to know everything under the sun? I would rather her have just said "I am not a lawyer and I am only familiar with the one supreme court case that has had profound an impact on me". Sure she could have brought up Dred Scott or Brown Vs. BOE.

We are all ignorant about something. Whether it is auto mechanics, rocket science or supreme court cases.

Do you really think that Carter, FDR, Truman, Kennedy or LBJ (I will give Clinton a pass since he was a lawyer) knew why the supreme court ruled the way that it did? Hell, the first New Deal was over turned because it was unconstitutional. This proves that FDR either didn't care about its legality or he flipped the Constitution the bird. Instead of going a different route, FDR tried to dilute the SCOTUS with more judges to get his agenda pushed through.

Would you be in favor of Bush diluting the SCOTUS to overturn Roe V. Wade?

[Stax]

Who do realize that she never tried to ban any books or teach creationism. Don't you?

In all fairness to you, facts have never stopped you before...

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

On the book banning fine, but the debate both sides thing on evolution is just crap. Non-biology arguments do not have a place in a biology classroom. Period.

[Rover]

So which is worse? Not knowing a Supreme Court decision? Or knowing that you can manipulate laws to fall under the Commerce Clause to give Congressional Authority for everything?

[Morfin]

I couldn't agree with Pharon more. I watched this last night when CBS showed it and it was chilling. I don't put too much stock in remembering cases by names, as I remember few. For instance, I did not agree with the recent decision on the DC firearms law or the decision on eminent domain for private purposes, but I'll be damned if I could name either one. So, I would cut her some slack on that, if she had at least talked about some other decision, as Biden did. I don't believe he named his either.

And Biden's claim that his bill should come under the commerce clause is such a tenuous argument, no wonder the Supreme Court shot him down. Men abusing wives affects interstate commerce because these women miss work? And, he claimed to have held 1000 hours of committee hearings (that had to be a misstatement on his part)? Gimme a break. I give him points for a rationale argument, and points for effort, but, sorry, not everything is federal.

Palin's responses, uh, sorry, pale in comparison. This would merely be sad if the job they were seeking wasn't a very powerful one.

[Stax]

Do you really think that Carter, FDR, Truman, Kennedy or LBJ (I will give Clinton a pass since he was a lawyer) knew why the supreme court ruled the way that it did? Hell, the first New Deal was over turned because it was unconstitutional. This proves that FDR either didn't care about its legality or he flipped the Constitution the bird. Instead of going a different route, FDR tried to dilute the SCOTUS with more judges to get his agenda pushed through.

No, actually it proves he had a different legal view. Which the justices ultimately came around to. Legal theories change over time, reinterpretation of the Constitution is one of the major forces why our Constitution can stand over time (versus, say, the French constitution that they have repeatedly just said "Fuck it" and rewritten)

As for Palin, I expect her to be familiar with more than one Supreme Court case, yes. Fuck, say Kelo vs. New London, that's at least recent.

I also found her discussion of a right to privacy funny, where she basically said she believed in a right to privacy. That would shoot her anti-abortion argument in the foot, but of course she wasn't using the legal definition of privacy but the common conversational term. :/

[Tar Heel]

Palin isn't a lawyer and Biden is a lawyer. It isn't her job to know about supreme court cases.

My point is that lawyers know about supreme court cases. Doctors know about medicine. Navy S.E.A.L.s know how to cause chaos and kill people. Why should our politicians be expected to know everything under the sun? I would rather her have just said "I am not a lawyer and I am only familiar with the one supreme court case that has had profound an impact on me". Sure she could have brought up Dred Scott or Brown Vs. BOE.

We are all ignorant about something. Whether it is auto mechanics, rocket science or supreme court cases.

Do you really think that Carter, FDR, Truman, Kennedy or LBJ (I will give Clinton a pass since he was a lawyer) knew why the supreme court ruled the way that it did? Hell, the first New Deal was over turned because it was unconstitutional. This proves that FDR either didn't care about its legality or he flipped the Constitution the bird. Instead of going a different route, FDR tried to dilute the SCOTUS with more judges to get his agenda pushed through.

Would you be in favor of Bush diluting the SCOTUS to overturn Roe V. Wade?

I bet Carter, FDR, Truman, Kennedy or LBJ could all think of and name, at the very least, one supreme court case that they disagreed with. Sarah Palin couldn't even think of one.

[Morfin]

So which is worse? Not knowing a Supreme Court decision? Or knowing that you can manipulate laws to fall under the Commerce Clause to give Congressional Authority for everything?

If you are seriously asking this question, you are an even bigger fucktard than you've already shown in your postings.

[Pharon]

Palin isn't a lawyer and Biden is a lawyer. It isn't her job to know about supreme court cases.
As 2nd in line to head the executive branch of the federal government? You bet your ASS it's her job to know what the law is. How else would she be able to execute it?

My point is that lawyers know about supreme court cases. Doctors know about medicine. Navy S.E.A.L.s know how to cause chaos and kill people. Why should our politicians be expected to know everything under the sun?
They're not expected to know everything. Only the things over which they will have the power to act. Like FEDERAL LAWS, for example.

We are all ignorant about something. Whether it is auto mechanics, rocket science or supreme court cases.
I don't expect my auto mechanic to be ignorant about engines.

[Debo]

As 2nd in line to head the executive branch of the federal government? You bet your ASS it's her job to know what the law is. How else would she be able to execute it?

Isn't this why the Attorney General and White House counsel exist? Should we only allow lawyers to run for office?

The WH employs an army of lawyers to go over everything that they do. Do you really think that she is going to be up there by herself running the show?

They're not expected to know everything. Only the things over which they will have the power to act. Like FEDERAL LAWS, for example.

See above.

I don't expect my auto mechanic to be ignorant about engines.

Good. Then you will be happy to know that being a politician doesn't mean that she went to law school. She isn't ignorant about politics, which is her area of knowledge.

No, actually it proves he had a different legal view. Which the justices ultimately came around to. Legal theories change over time, reinterpretation of the Constitution is one of the major forces why our Constitution can stand over time (versus, say, the French constitution that they have repeatedly just said "Fuck it" and rewritten)

As for Palin, I expect her to be familiar with more than one Supreme Court case, yes. Fuck, say Kelo vs. New London, that's at least recent.

I also found her discussion of a right to privacy funny, where she basically said she believed in a right to privacy. That would shoot her anti-abortion argument in the foot, but of course she wasn't using the legal definition of privacy but the common conversational term. :/

Really? So FDR going to the SCOTUS and telling them that he is going to add three more justices if they don't allow his agenda through is a difference of opinion. Good to know.

She asked for other ones that she disagreed with. I can tell you the names of a couple of cases. But I doubt that I would be able to explain why they are legal or not legal since I am not a lawyer.

On the book banning fine, but the debate both sides thing on evolution is just crap. Non-biology arguments do not have a place in a biology classroom. Period.

So you complain about her wanting to pull books out of the library (which is false), but you don't see a problem with censoring the discussion about a theory? Remember that it is called the Theory of Evolution, not the Fact of Evolution.

[Desperado]

She isn't ignorant about politics, which is her area of knowledge.


Is it now.... like maybe the Bush Doctrine, or McCain's policies? She probably an expert on makeup, shoes, and the BIBLE!!!!

[Rover]

If you are seriously asking this question, you are an even bigger fucktard than you've already shown in your postings.Sticks and stones....rubber....glue....

She asked for other ones that she disagreed with. I can tell you the names of a couple of cases. But I doubt that I would be able to explain why they are legal or not legal since I am not a lawyer.When Clarence Thomas was elevated to the Supreme Court he was derided as being "not intelligent enough" for the job, and he had a law degree from Yale. Yet, now Palin is supposed to give an informed discourse on why Supreme Court decisions are legally wrong, and all she has is a degree in journalism.

[Archangel]

Palin isn't a lawyer and Biden is a lawyer. It isn't her job to know about supreme court cases.

My point is that lawyers know about supreme court cases. Doctors know about medicine. Navy S.E.A.L.s know how to cause chaos and kill people. Why should our politicians be expected to know everything under the sun? I would rather her have just said "I am not a lawyer and I am only familiar with the one supreme court case that has had profound an impact on me". Sure she could have brought up Dred Scott or Brown Vs. BOE.

We are all ignorant about something. Whether it is auto mechanics, rocket science or supreme court cases.


So what is her job "to know", exactly? Because every time she shows utter manifest ignorance of subjects that people aiming for such a high office should take for granted, her supporters say that it isn't her job to know about foreign policy, American political doctrines, US Supreme Court decisions...

In the end, when it becomes obvious that she actually doesn't know shit about anything relevant to world affairs, what will her supporters say then? That she loves Jesus and knows how to load a rifle? Impressive credentials indeed for someone who's supposed to hobnob with statesmen who all know where Yemen is.

[Pharon]

Isn't this why the Attorney General and White House counsel exist? Should we only allow lawyers to run for office?

The WH employs an army of lawyers to go over everything that they do. Do you really think that she is going to be up there by herself running the show?
I'm not expecting her to run the legal show. But she should have at least a layman's working knowledge of the laws that she's tasked to enforce. Shit, I'm not a lawyer, either. But I'm an informed enough citizen to have an opinion on certain high-profile Supreme Court cases that affect my life and my rights. And I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that same level of competence in someone who's in charge of enforcing those laws over 300 million people.

Good. Then you will be happy to know that being a politician doesn't mean that she went to law school. She isn't ignorant about politics, which is her area of knowledge.
You don't have to be a lawyer to be a politician, but you make it sound like politics and law are completely separate things. They're not. She shouldn't just be a good communicator and know how to win elections. Once a politician wins, they're expected to GOVERN. And you can't effectively govern a constitutional republic if you don't even have a working knowledge of the laws you're supposed to enforce in the first place.

[Rover]

So what is her job "to know", exactly? Because every time she shows utter manifest ignorance of subjects that people aiming for such a high office should take for granted, her supporters say that it isn't her job to know about foreign policy, American political doctrines, US Supreme Court decisions...

In the end, when it becomes obvious that she actually doesn't know shit about anything relevant to world affairs, what will her supporters say then? That she loves Jesus and knows how to load a rifle? Impressive credentials indeed for someone who's supposed to hobnob with statesmen who all know where Yemen is.
I was elected to lead, not to read.

[Stax]

So you complain about her wanting to pull books out of the library (which is false), but you don't see a problem with censoring the discussion about a theory? Remember that it is called the Theory of Evolution, not the Fact of Evolution.

Do you understand the meaning of the word theory in scientific terms? Because that's one of the more childish arguments made on this subject.

And again, the original post stands. I don't have a problem with Christians, I have a problem when they clearly believe their faith is 'better' and needs to be imposed, which is the image that Palin and the voters she is on the ticket to win put out.

[Rover]

Where is she trying to impose her religious faith?

[Archangel]

Do you understand the meaning of the word theory in scientific terms? Because that's one of the more childish arguments made on this subject.

And again, the original post stands. I don't have a problem with Christians, I have a problem when they clearly believe their faith is 'better' and needs to be imposed, which is the image that Palin and the voters she is on the ticket to win put out.

I'm pretty sure that my faith is a whole lot better than Mrs Palin's.

[Desperado]

I'm pretty sure that my faith is a whole lot better than Mrs Palin's.


Whoa whoa.... do you have a Witch doctor?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN7hJDS26rI

[Kerjack]

Where is she trying to impose her religious faith?

What is her stance on gay marriage? Would she vote to ban it?

[kareyn01]

Really? So FDR going to the SCOTUS and telling them that he is going to add three more justices if they don't allow his agenda through is a difference of opinion. Good to know.



1) It would actually have been 6 judges.

2) The make-up of the Supreme Court is, and always has been, determined by Congress (per Article III of the Constitution). Was the Judiciary Reorganization Bill of 1937 political in nature because the SCOTUS kept overturning New Deal legislation? Yes. Was it illegal or unconstitutional in any way? No.

Finally, your entire argument that someone running for Vice-President shouldn't be required to understand (or even confirm the existence of) any Supreme Court case besides Roe v. Wade is completely idiotic.

How can you be expected to function as second-in-command of the Executive Branch, if you have no understanding of Marbury v. Madison (which established judicial review), M'Culloch v. Maryland (which expanded the scope of the commerce clause you so despise), or any number of others (Plessy v. Ferguson, Brown v. Board of Education, both of which I learned about IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL!)

[Archangel]

Because she's a conservative with tits who loves Jesus.

[kareyn01]

Because she's a conservative with tits who loves Jesus.

Dammit, I knew I forgot something! Strike everything I've written so far. McCain/Tits McGee 08! *dodges lightning bolt*

[VoxAngelikus]

What is her stance on gay marriage? Would she vote to ban it?


Do you and your boyfriend have plans?

[The Batman]

Because she's a conservative with tits who loves Jesus.

Apparently she has a pussy too. So, she is really a conservative with NICE tits, with a vagina, who loves Jesus.

[TheImpossibleMan]

So you complain about her wanting to pull books out of the library (which is false), but you don't see a problem with censoring the discussion about a theory? Remember that it is called the Theory of Evolution, not the Fact of Evolution. Fuck YES! Easily the most awesome post yet.

As the incomprable Stephen Gould put it:

"Evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

[}{arlequin]

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[Soup Nazi]

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[vasili denisov]

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[Kilgore]

Biden is going to wipe the floor clean with her tonight. Then whip it out, and give her a golden shower on national television.

[Mustard]

I may not be the most politically savvy of minds, but Biden giving Palin a golden shower on live national television probably isn't the best way to coddle the electorate.

That said, if Biden goes gaffe free tonite, I think the expectations would be in line if he were to do that at the very end. par for the course and such...

[Pharon]

I bet it wouldn't be the first time Sarah had a golden shower.

[Mustard]

but on live national television?

[The Batman]

but on live national television?

She might as well be having a golden shower everytime she does an interview. Its practically the same thing.

[kid_vidrio]

Palin isn't a lawyer and Biden is a lawyer. It isn't her job to know about supreme court cases.


I'm not taking issue with the rest of the points you make, which are pretty reasonable.
And I don't really 'take issue' with this other than to say that the country and most of its current guiding documents were created by lawyers. I like the idea of the chief participants in the process speaking the same language.
Moreover, it's not that Sarah is not a lawyer. She is barely educated. The idea that she could waltz into the oval office is ludicrous. I dare you to question that.
This is not a hollywood moldy opium fantasy for chrissakes. This is the election for POTUS which she has a greater chance of suceeding than most VPs, given the parameters. All joking aside, does ANYONE really think, because she kicked several idiot's asses in Alaskan elections, that she should be in this position? It's a fucking travesty.

[The Batman]

This is not a hollywood moldy opium fantasy for chrissakes.

Or a Disney movie. :)

[c_thur]

a golden shower would be awesome

[Yelram]

I'm not taking issue with the rest of the points you make, which are pretty reasonable.
And I don't really 'take issue' with this other than to say that the country and most of its current guiding documents were created by lawyers. I like the idea of the chief participants in the process speaking the same language.
Moreover, it's not that Sarah is not a lawyer. She is barely educated. The idea that she could waltz into the oval office is ludicrous. I dare you to question that.
This is not a hollywood moldy opium fantasy for chrissakes. This is the election for POTUS which she has a greater chance of suceeding than most VPs, given the parameters. All joking aside, does ANYONE really think, because she kicked several idiot's asses in Alaskan elections, that she should be in this position? It's a fucking travesty.

Less than half of the founding fathers were lawyers, which was a different profession at that time than what it is now. She has the same level of education as Ronald Reagan. This is a representative government, not a "who's the smartest guy, lets listen to him" government. And if 90% of the people in Alaska feel that this women represented them while not even 25% of the American public feels that congress is doing a good job, maybe we need more "barely educated" people representing us than asshole lawyers who think they know whats best for us. I suppose Abraham Lincoln was a big dummy dumb too right? The thing thats a travesty is of all the public officials in the country, we pick 2 dumbass senators to be executives. Senators should not be presidents.

[heelsguy]

This is how I predict it will go:

Palin will start out nervous. (who in her situation would not?)
Biden will try to keep his answers short, and at first will suceed at that.

Palin will get her "sea legs" and score some direct hits in Biden, throwing him off balance. Biden will be unsure if he should strike back? and if so, how hard? so he will instead just revert to his nature and ramble in searching through sheer volume of words to score a "direct hit". THAT is when he will do it: he will put his Florsheim right in his mouth. Palin will see this and attack and be the aggresor from that point on.

Final result:

"Palin really showed a lot of moxy last night, and the LAWYER got rattled"

if I am right, I will be Billy Madison...we'll see

[Desperado]

This is how I predict it will go:

Palin will start out nervous. (who in her situation would not?)
Biden will try to keep his answers short, and at first will suceed at that.

Palin will get her "sea legs" and score some direct hits in Biden, throwing him off balance. Biden will be unsure if he should strike back? and if so, how hard? so he will instead just revert to his nature and ramble in searching through sheer volume of words to score a "direct hit". THAT is when he will do it: he will put his Florsheim right in his mouth. Palin will see this and attack and be the aggresor from that point on.

Final result:

"Palin really showed a lot of moxy last night, and the LAWYER got rattled"

if I am right, I will be Billy Madison...we'll see

Wow...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKjxFJfcrcA

[Pharon]

Less than half of the founding fathers were lawyers, which was a different profession at that time than what it is now.
How do you figure?

And if 90% of the people in Alaska feel that this women represented them while not even 25% of the American public feels that congress is doing a good job, maybe we need more "barely educated" people representing us than asshole lawyers who think they know whats best for us.
At one point, George W. Bush's popularity was at 90%, too. But who gives a fuck? Popularity ratings do not translate to competence. Not by a LONG shot. Obviously.

I suppose Abraham Lincoln was a big dummy dumb too right?
Abraham Lincoln was a lawyer.

The thing thats a travesty is of all the public officials in the country, we pick 2 dumbass senators to be executives. Senators should not be presidents.
If Obama and McCain are "dumbasses," then Palin is mentally retarded.

[Desperado]

And if 90% of the people in Alaska feel that this women represented them while not even 25% of the American public feels that congress is doing a good job, maybe we need more "barely educated" people representing us than asshole lawyers who think they know whats best for us.


Its funny how approval ratings can fall once people know how much an idiot you are....
http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/542179.html

Palin approval rating drops in Alaska

68 PERCENT: Latest poll shows percentage drop from the 80s.
By CHRIS ADAMS
McClatchy Newspapers
Published: October 1st, 2008 01:11 AM
Last Modified: October 1st, 2008 12:07 PM
Ask a governor if she'd be happy with a 68 percent approval rating and she'd probably laugh at the question. It usually doesn't get much better than that.
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For Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, though, that represents a hefty drop.
Since John McCain tapped the first-term governor to be his vice-presidential running mate, Palin's sky-high home-state approval ratings have come down to Earth.
Above 80 percent approval for parts of her term -- she was at 82 percent in a key local poll twice this year -- Palin's popularity has swooned as new information about the local abuse-of-power investigation known as Troopergate has trickled out, and as national and local media pick over her track record as a governor and small-town mayor.
Palin still has overwhelming support among Alaska Republicans. But many Democrats and independents, who gave her positive marks just a month ago, have changed their views.
"My problem is not with Sarah Palin the governor," said Ron Zandman-Zeman, 60, a recently retired school teacher from Anchorage. "She was doing the job she was elected to do. I don't think she can do the job she wants to be elected to do. And that's why I'm here."
"Here" was a rally in a downtown Anchorage park last weekend, where several hundred demonstrators gathered under a brilliant blue sky to protest Palin and her attorney general, mostly for their handling of the Troopergate controversy.
Until this summer, there were plenty of Alaskans who'd supported or been neutral toward their governor. Palin built a reservoir of goodwill during a handful of key issues, including prodding the state's oil industry to cough up more of its profits, which fund the vast majority of state operations.
After McCain shocked the political world by picking Palin, the rest of the country experienced a flash of infatuation with the charming, gutsy governor. But some Alaskans turned against what they saw as her newly aggressive, mean-spirited demeanor.
At the studio of KENI in Anchorage, Andrew Halcro has become a focal point for anti-Palin advocates. Halcro is a former state legislator who was beaten by Palin in the 2006 gubernatorial election. (Running as an independent, Halcro finished third behind Palin and former Gov. Tony Knowles, a Democrat).
Palin had done a good job of governing from the center, he said. But her recent mocking of Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama, for example, is a surprise to many Alaskans.
"I see a real change in the callers," he said. "People are seeing Gov. Palin in a different light."

[mongo]

i hope palin/mccain wins. not cause i like them, just cause i want to see the politics section of gmf go batfuckingshitcrazy.

[Yelram]

How do you figure?
That the profession was different? Or that more than half werent Lawyers?


At one point, George W. Bush's popularity was at 90%, too. But who gives a fuck? Popularity ratings do not translate to competence. Not by a LONG shot. Obviously.

I would rather have a representative REPRESENT the views of the american people than attempt to legislate their own, regardless of their level of competence


Abraham Lincoln was a lawyer.

And yet he never went to college, that dummy.



If Obama and McCain are "dumbasses," then Palin is mentally retarded. Oh wow, good one, man, did you have to dig out the thesaurus to come up with that one?

[Pharon]

That the profession was different? Or that more than half werent Lawyers?
The first one. Is that what you were saying? That the profession was different then? And if so, how?

I would rather have a representative REPRESENT the views of the american people than attempt to legislate their own, regardless of their level of competence
And which President (or candidate) are you suggesting is legislating at all, considering it's not part of the job description?

[Yelram]

The first one. Is that what you were saying? That the profession was different then? And if so, how?

Money, that is all, its about the money now.


And which President (or candidate) are you suggesting is legislating at all, considering it's not part of the job description?

Again with the assumptions. If you look at what I said "I would rather have a representative REPRESENT the views of the american people than attempt to legislate their own, regardless of their level of competence"

It said nothing about presidents. And even if it did, to pretend that the president has no power in the legislation process is silly.

[Pharon]

Again with the assumptions. If you look at what I said "I would rather have a representative REPRESENT the views of the american people than attempt to legislate their own, regardless of their level of competence"

It said nothing about presidents. And even if it did, to pretend that the president has no power in the legislation process is silly.
If you made clearer points I wouldn't have to make assumptions. And considering we're talking about "levels of incompetence" and how it related to Palin, Obama, and McCain before, it wasn't such a stretch.

Also, there's a big difference in having powr in the legislation process and legislating. Presidents don't legislate, which is the term you used.

And even now I'm still confused at what point you're trying to make in all this. Meh.

[Debo]

I'm not taking issue with the rest of the points you make, which are pretty reasonable.
And I don't really 'take issue' with this other than to say that the country and most of its current guiding documents were created by lawyers. I like the idea of the chief participants in the process speaking the same language.
Moreover, it's not that Sarah is not a lawyer. She is barely educated. The idea that she could waltz into the oval office is ludicrous. I dare you to question that.
This is not a hollywood moldy opium fantasy for chrissakes. This is the election for POTUS which she has a greater chance of suceeding than most VPs, given the parameters. All joking aside, does ANYONE really think, because she kicked several idiot's asses in Alaskan elections, that she should be in this position? It's a fucking travesty.

In the end, it is up to the voter. The beauty of America is that we all get a chance to voice our opinion on who runs the country. If you don't think that she is qualified, then you can vote against her.

With that said, if she comes out and kicks Biden's ass tonight, What does that say about Biden?

[Pharon]

The beauty of America is that we all get a chance to voice our opinion on who runs the country.
That "beauty" got us 8 years of George W. Bush. Though before I became such a cynic, I might have agreed with you.

With that said, if she comes out and kicks Biden's ass tonight, What does that say about Biden?
Pipe dream. (see? cynic.)

[Yelram]

If you made clearer points I wouldn't have to make assumptions. And considering we're talking about "levels of incompetence" and how it related to Palin, Obama, and McCain before, it wasn't such a stretch.

Also, there's a big difference in having powr in the legislation process and legislating. Presidents don't legislate, which is the term you used.

And even now I'm still confused at what point you're trying to make in all this. Meh.

I think my point is very clear, in a representative democracy, intelligence is not always the top attribute a representative can have, it is representing the people.

[Pharon]

I think my point is very clear, in a representative democracy, intelligence is not always the top attribute a representative can have, it is representing the people.
By that logic you must have been a huge fan of Bill Clinton, who governed based on what the latest poll results said he should do.

[taters]

Shes being eaten alive on the debates.

Shes clearly been prepped, and every time a question that didnt hit iraq or afghanistan came up, she 'taglined' it, then asked to change the subject.

I have almost never pittied a republican woman or no, but she looks like a first year 1L who crammed the night before but only read every other chapter on the topic...Not that I was once one of those people....but IF I was and remember it, I would want pitty as well.

[moe_blunts]

Nu-cu-lar

Nu-cu-lar

Nu-cu-lar


she's a retard

[dadaelus]

Veep Debate poll:

http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?t=8323

[freegood]

Palin isn't a lawyer and Biden is a lawyer. It isn't her job to know about supreme court cases.

My point is that lawyers know about supreme court cases. Doctors know about medicine. Navy S.E.A.L.s know how to cause chaos and kill people. Why should our politicians be expected to know everything under the sun? I would rather her have just said "I am not a lawyer and I am only familiar with the one supreme court case that has had profound an impact on me". Sure she could have brought up Dred Scott or Brown Vs. BOE.

We are all ignorant about something. Whether it is auto mechanics, rocket science or supreme court cases.

Do you really think that Carter, FDR, Truman, Kennedy or LBJ (I will give Clinton a pass since he was a lawyer) knew why the supreme court ruled the way that it did? Hell, the first New Deal was over turned because it was unconstitutional. This proves that FDR either didn't care about its legality or he flipped the Constitution the bird. Instead of going a different route, FDR tried to dilute the SCOTUS with more judges to get his agenda pushed through.

Would you be in favor of Bush diluting the SCOTUS to overturn Roe V. Wade?

All she knew about Roe V. Wade that is was very very bad even though minutes later, she tells Couric that she believes in a Constitutional right to privacy.

Does it bug the hell out of you that she's talking stuff out of her ass and basing her policy decisions on gut feelings?

[Pharon]

All she knew about Roe V. Wade that is was very very bad even though minutes later, she tells Couric that she believes in a Constitutional right to privacy.

Does it bug the hell out of you that she's talking stuff out of her ass and basing her policy decisions on gut feelings?
I didn't think this was possible, but she really is just a stupider, more religious version of George W. Bush.

[Insomniac]

But she looks better in a skirt.

[Pharon]

She'd look even better out of one.

[Kerjack]

But not really.

[Pharon]

Then you're gay.

[Kerjack]

Keep it on and things are tight, take it off and I picture a lot of sagging.

[Pharon]

naked > clothed

[Archangel]

naked > clothed

You're still talking about Dubya, aren't you.

[Pharon]

All bushes are the same.

[FarEastFornicator]

Her voice makes my ears bleed, don't cha know!

[Claydon]

I keep expecting her to say "yah, you will want that tru coat yah!"

[Deadhead Derek]

tonights SNL wasn't as good as the last few tina fey/palin. but good enough.

[Pollo]

tonights SNL wasn't as good as the last few tina fey/palin. but good enough.

I didn't get a chance to watch it. what was the skit about? I'm guessing they made fun of her countless winks she gave during the debate.

[Pharon]

I didn't get a chance to watch it. what was the skit about? I'm guessing they made fun of her countless winks she gave during the debate.
Here it is if you're interested:

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/vp-debate-open-palin-biden/727421/


Edit: I could watch those Tina Fey skits all day.

[Claydon]

Here it is if you're interested:

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/vp-debate-open-palin-biden/727421/


Edit: I could watch those Tina Fey skits all day.


You know you want the Palin in all those wonderful positions.

Don't worry...I won't judge you.

[chaos2015]

she is a fucking tool

[Mustard]

she uses a fucking tool
*fap fap fap*