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Le Goat
10-01-2008, 07:57 PM
WEDNESDAY, Oct. 1 (HealthDay News) -- The most pervasive global strain of HIV began spreading in humans around 1900 in sub-Saharan Africa, a new study claims.
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The research, which is published in the current issue of Nature, found that HIV began spreading between 1884 and 1924, around the same time urban centers in west central Africa were established. This estimated time of origin is decades earlier than the previous estimate of 1930.
For the study, researchers analyzed tissue samples and uncovered the second-oldest genetic sequence of HIV-1 group M. They used this and other HIV-1 genetic sequences to construct a family tree of the origin of the viral strain and to estimate the time of origin of HIV-1 group M.
The researchers worked with a 1960 sample of HIV gene fragments from a wax-embedded lymph-node tissue biopsy from a woman in Kinshasa in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. This 1960 virus is the second-oldest known HIV-1 group M genetic sequence, with the oldest being a 1959 blood sample from a man also from Kinshasa.
"Previous work on HIV sequencing had been done on frozen samples, and there are only so many of those samples available," lead researcher Michael Worobey, an assistant professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at the University of Arizona in Tucson, said in a university news release.
"From that point on, the next oldest sequences that anyone has recovered are from the late 1970s and 1980s, the era when we knew about AIDS. Now, for the first time, we have been able to compare two relatively ancient HIV strains. That helped us to calibrate how quickly the virus evolved and make some really robust inferences about when it crossed into humans, how quickly the epidemic grew from that time and what factors allowed the virus to enter and become a successful human pathogen," said Worobey.
Previous studies have shown that HIV spread from chimpanzees to humans in southeastern Cameroon.
Worobey said that the HIV epidemic that resulted from the turn-of-the-century spread correlates to the urbanization of colonial Africa, principally the present-day city of Kinshasa in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
The growth of cities and associated high-risk behaviors may have been a principal cause of the rapid spread of the virus.
Worobey is optimistic about the eventual extinction of the HIV virus.
"I think the picture that has emerged here, where changes the human population experienced may have opened the door to the spread of HIV, is a good reminder that we can make changes now that could help reverse the epidemic. If HIV has one weak spot, it is that it is a relatively poorly transmitted virus. From better testing and prevention, to wider use of the antiretroviral drug therapy, there are a number of ways to reduce transmission and force this virus back into extinction," he said.

kid_vidrio
10-01-2008, 08:00 PM
it's not like they just made that shit up in the 80's.
i'd say the earliest aids was one of the pharaoh's plagues but they called it locusts or some shit.

Fiend1138
10-01-2008, 09:38 PM
hmmm... and all this time i though an african fucked a monkey in 1982. weird...

freegood
10-01-2008, 11:07 PM
The CIA...killin blacks since 1894



Yeah yeah...the CIA didn't exist then

billysocal
10-02-2008, 12:27 AM
hmmm... and all this time i though an african fucked a monkey in 1982. weird...

Funny how those legends live on for so long.

And dove-tailing off the last post, so much for the conspiracy theorists on this one, huh?

The GWD
10-02-2008, 12:33 AM
hmmm... and all this time i though an african fucked a monkey in 1982. weird...

Funny how those legends live on for so long.

And dove-tailing off the last post, so much for the conspiracy theorists on this one, huh?

Now all it means is that an African fucked a monkey in 1884. Don't get caught up in the details.

Okie Medicvet
10-02-2008, 12:36 AM
I thought the monkey was eaten? Wait..that was eaten out..nevermind..

freegood
10-02-2008, 12:55 AM
bupnmV8dhwU

redsox39
10-06-2008, 01:28 PM
Obama's church has to re-think their whole base of ideas now...

Bush and his friends were killing blacks for over 100 years with this HIV thing...

Oh! my bad, he quit going there now...

Pax Britannia
10-06-2008, 01:30 PM
Teh Aidz: Killing Dudez since 1900

taters
10-06-2008, 02:30 PM
The United States of America...[officially] killin blacks since 1877.




Fixed.

Without sounding TOO much like a conspiracy theorist, a group did not have to create a virus to implement it. See-

The US with the Tuskegee experiments (guess who were the unwilling participants)
Various European colonist with smallpox (keeping natives warm with coozy nice blankets)
The Japanese empire in china with malaria (and a ton of other horrible shit).

Its worth mentioning that aids initally (upon discovery) had the highest casualties in areas near or within white national jurisdictions (The US, South Africa, Rhodesia, Botswana, Haiti). Ironically enough, it never flourished in areas with little connection to white populations (West Africa, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Brazil *until recently* etc). Could be coincidence, but lets not all fool ourselves to thinking it is beyond the will of imperialist whites to do something like that. Especially considering, you guys already have, several times, to others and yourselves throughout history.

Pox
10-06-2008, 02:45 PM
Various European colonist with smallpox (keeping natives warm with coozy nice blankets)

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=plag;view=text;rgn=main;idno=5240451.0001.00 9

Poop Sailboat
10-06-2008, 02:47 PM
everyone give taters 5 gmf dollars for reparations. quick!

taters
10-06-2008, 02:55 PM
^ You can make my five dollar check out to 'cash'.

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=plag;view=text;rgn=main;idno=5240451.0001.00 9

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Bioterror/William-H-Schaap/e/9781876175641/?itm=2

http://academic.udayton.edu/health/syllabi/bioterrorism/00intro02.htm

Poop Sailboat
10-06-2008, 02:56 PM
liquor store won't take checks?

Pax Britannia
10-06-2008, 02:57 PM
I think Tater is a dupe of goats. He's just too much the stereotypical angry black man.

taters
10-06-2008, 03:01 PM
liquor store won't take checks?
No. Another faucet of the white mans doing!

I think Tater is a dupe of goats. He's just too much the stereotypical angry black man.

I was here long before Goat. I never made any 'angry' black man commentary. Are you all so insecure about your history that anytime a member of another ethnic group points out a wrong your race/country/religion has committed, you instantly brand them 'aggressive' or 'hateful'? Even when what is being brought up is actually the truth?

Do germans do this when other Europeans ask them about the holocaust, I wonder. Wheres Arch when you need him.

Pax Britannia
10-06-2008, 03:05 PM
I never made any 'angry' black man commentary.

Anyone who's read the OJ thread knows that statement is bullshit.

Your like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Still fighting the old civil rights battles 40 years later when everyone else has moved on. What will you do when the 'hate' stops? Who will you blame for your failures then?

I bet it's scary for ya.

Pox
10-06-2008, 03:13 PM
^ You can make my five dollar check out to 'cash'.



http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Bioterror/William-H-Schaap/e/9781876175641/?itm=2

http://academic.udayton.edu/health/syllabi/bioterrorism/00intro02.htm

Seriously? I post an academic article, and you give me a book review (which doesn't contain any information) and a site (in comic sans!) that doesn't give any conclusive evidence?

taters
10-06-2008, 03:47 PM
Seriously? I post an academic article, and you give me a book review (which doesn't contain any information) and a site (in comic sans!) that doesn't give any conclusive evidence?

I dont have the PDf to the book, but it was required reading in my old 'national security' poli sci course. It was not a 'pro-native claim' piece at all, and was actually a book on bioterrorism and its threat and history.

Your 'academic article' is not much more than an opinion piece by some graduate student who dislikes Ward Churchhill. He relies on Eyewitness accounts of people with great cause not to admit to or openly claim that the event happened. Biased citations. Mentioning the BOIA was a joke, considering they were prime offenders in finding ways to 'uproot' or 'remove' native populations. Granted, I skimmed (and am skimming) through it, but most of it looks to be direct 'potato-potahto' style arguments against Churchill, not reasonable claims of lack of proof.

You could argue the same with Churchill, but you could not argue that with the doctors who treated the natives who detected the smallpox.

Alll that being said, none of this gives disclaimer to anything I mentioned earlier-

Without sounding TOO much like a conspiracy theorist, a group did not have to create a virus to implement it. See-

The US with the Tuskegee experiments (guess who were the unwilling participants) i am still waiting for someone to try to disprove this one.
Various European colonist with smallpox (keeping natives warm with coozy nice blankets)
The Japanese empire in china with malaria (and a ton of other horrible shit). ditto

Its worth mentioning that aids initally (upon discovery) had the highest casualties in areas near or within white national jurisdictions (The US, South Africa, Rhodesia, Botswana, Haiti). Ironically enough, it never flourished in areas with little connection to white populations (West Africa, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Brazil *until recently* etc). Could be coincidence, but lets not all fool ourselves to thinking it is beyond the will of imperialist whites to do something like that. Especially considering, you guys already have, several times, to others and yourselves throughout history.

Pollo
10-07-2008, 05:08 AM
bupnmV8dhwU

leave it to Dave Chappelle to solve life's mysteries and speak the absolute truth.

hatepoppy
10-07-2008, 06:04 AM
The CIA...killin blacks since 1894



Yeah yeah...the CIA didn't exist then
but they will exist...and make teh tyme masheenz!